Definitely. He was the one on the team who actually tried to branch out and do more shit on his own as well as get his shit together when he fricked up.
Yes. He and Kimiko are the only ones who went through character development and his was greater than hers. Clay was too static and Omi was fricking annoying.
I wish Kimiko got more to do. She seemed like one of the more mature ones in the group while having more of a backbone than Clay. I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
>I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
Headcannon. Jack became more competent to impress his waifu.
>Absurdly talented but craves the recognition he never receives >Yearns for validation from peers, especially from absent mother who he wants to impress >Cowardly and immature due to total abscence of self-esteem
Jack screams Mommy issues. He’d want a Perfect Mommy Wife he can frick, but he wouldn’t want to do that he’d just want her to hug him and tell him she’s proud of him
>Absurdly talented but craves the recognition he never receives >Yearns for validation from peers, especially from absent mother who he wants to impress >Cowardly and immature due to total abscence of self-esteem
Jack screams Mommy issues. He’d want a Perfect Mommy Wife he can frick, but he wouldn’t want to do that he’d just want her to hug him and tell him she’s proud of him
Jack totally wanted to frick Wuya for that reason, he made a sexy fembot based on her.
Jack DEFINITELY had a thing for her and I have to say. I think Wuya and Jack are the best ship in the show (at least ghost Wuya and Jack). They have the best chemistry and have a funny dynamic. Wuya is like a girl that constantly tries to find herself a better boyfriend, but gets dumped all the time and comes back to Jack who despite being to her below her standards always welcomes her back despite how angry he is at her. It is weirdly heartwarming and pretty messed up.
I kinda like that even when wuya gets her body back Jack doesn't treat her differently. Like wuya is hot and powerful enough to kill him with a flick of the wrist but he still bickers with her like he always does. It's cute.
# >he combined features of her ghostly form and witch form
I kinda like that even when wuya gets her body back Jack doesn't treat her differently. Like wuya is hot and powerful enough to kill him with a flick of the wrist but he still bickers with her like he always does. It's cute.
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One thing you have to admire Jack for is he's not a simp. He's been shown to have a crush on Kimiko and still attempts to stop or kill her like the other monks. He's a simpleton, but not a simp.
>I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
It's not like Jack won because Kimiko was the leader, he won because one of the 4 heroes disappeared. It's meant to show that each member of the dragons is essential and that without all 4 working together, they can't win
Him deciding to return to the Xiaolin side did gave him an advantage over the others but is a bit unfair that Kimiko and Clay didn't have more focus for growth.
I wonder if, like Jack, to whom the excess supposedly didn't allow to change sides, it happened the same with the other dragons.
Cartoons have gotten with way more.
I wish Kimiko got more to do. She seemed like one of the more mature ones in the group while having more of a backbone than Clay. I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
I fell the same for Clay, he's not the quitter type.
I kind of wonder what the reaction would have been had Jack joined the monks then was made the Shoku Warrior kind of like a Lloyd and Green Ninja thing years prior to that series.
I forget how expressive and nice the style for this show was.
>Jack tried his hardest
And failed. Besides I'd put "hardest" in quotes, Jack seemed to value style over function and effectiveness, which led to many defeats that made Wuya angry over time.
I have to agree on this, I think also the first thing Wuya tasked Raimundo when he joined her actually got it done in no time.
>Jack tried his hardest
And failed. Besides I'd put "hardest" in quotes, Jack seemed to value style over function and effectiveness, which led to many defeats that made Wuya angry over time.
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I forget how expressive and nice the style for this show was.
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I have to agree on this, I think also the first thing Wuya tasked Raimundo when he joined her actually got it done in no time.
Jack just wants to have fun when trying to takeover. The world's not going anywhere.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That sounds like something Chase Young would disagree on. Granted though, the guy is the lamest villain to me compared to Jack, Wuya and Hannibal.
8 months ago
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Hannibal was the worst villain to me. Nothing about him as a character is all that interesting and they had to retcon the lao mang lone soup to shove him into Chase's backstory. Unlike the other 3 main villains, he doesn't get to take over the world in an episode or really win at anything ever. The jobbean only exists to give someone the monks can reasonably kick the ass of that isn't Jack or someone for Wuya and Jack to grovel to when Daddy Chase isn't giving them attention. Ironic he was set up to be the greatest evil and someone Chase fears when his existence merely emphasizes how much of a threat Chase was.
Jack tried his hardest and gave Wuya everything he could including an invincible warrior. Does that not matter?
I've always thought this was because Wuya saw in Raimundo potential thanks to his abilities and the darkness growing inside him (maybe personal liking?) The fact she compliment his appearance in a later episode seems to imply that. Kind of reminds me on how Chase Young saw potential on Omi and the latter became evil. Granted though, Jack wasn't that skilled but he had the brains, though the guy also kept moving on from putting his faith on a particular person (Wuya, Chase, Bean).
I see it more as "he's a cute pet, also I don't mind sharing the title of ruler of the world with him because how long do humans live again? 150 years? he will die in a couple of centuries I guess"
I don't remember anything about this show
Except that this guy annoyed the hell out of me for being a shitty lazy brat all the time and I only like the Omi kid
>HOLY MACARONI, Are you telling me Raimundo was chosen as Shoku Warrior and NOT ME!? HERE TAKE ALL THE SHEN GON WUS, SPICER. DESTROY everything I love as Raimundo fricks Wuya and steals all the GLORY from ME >Look midget even if I'm grateful about you surrounding like an idiot I can't help but think is is low even for yoursel... >I DON'T GIVE A SHIT JUST TAKE THESE AND TELL WUYA TO DESTROY EVERYTHING I'VE STRIVED UP FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE! YABBA DABBA DO IT!
/dbs/ made a meme about cucking Krillin involving greentexts where he says 'yabba dabba doo'
don't ask why they do anything. Same with Vegeta going 'I Kneel!', characters striding into view with the caption 'Enter' and Goku asking people to kiss his wife.
>I kneel is from an actual scene in the anime where Vegeta kneels to Whis though he doesn't say I kneel >striding with the caption 'Enter' is just an exploitable and "cool" way to introduce a character >Goku asking people to kiss his wife is making fun of how its canon Goku never kissed Chi-Chi
ok then compare it to Jiren being incredibly verbose or Vegeta going 'AAAAIIIIIEEEEEE' or everyone intermittedly lapsing into Spanish
It's funnier to speak in a cartoonish way while you're showing them as cartoonish
>Jirenposting likely came to be from people comically hyping Jiren up due to being the new antagonist at first then it became funny to treat him as this amazing, intelligent character when backlash for hyping up Jiren started up with every e-celeb under the sun talking about how he's boring and terrible character >AAIIEE comes from panels in the manga and I think different language dubs of the anime that is often used when characters get hurt >speaking Spanish in Dragon Ball threads and calling others Spanish is poking fun at the series' large Spanish fanbases that rival the US and Japanese ones
The entire last season Rai's got ideas he pushes for solving problems, the entire finale too when everyone is getting angry or frustrated he's got a plan.
The leader thing came out of nowhere to me. I didn't want anyone to be the leader. Rai caused way too many trouble and the others were dumbed down to make him look good. Felt forced to me.
After he abandoned Wuya, Raimundo started to use Jack's tight boy-hole.
Hannibal was the worst villain to me. Nothing about him as a character is all that interesting and they had to retcon the lao mang lone soup to shove him into Chase's backstory. Unlike the other 3 main villains, he doesn't get to take over the world in an episode or really win at anything ever. The jobbean only exists to give someone the monks can reasonably kick the ass of that isn't Jack or someone for Wuya and Jack to grovel to when Daddy Chase isn't giving them attention. Ironic he was set up to be the greatest evil and someone Chase fears when his existence merely emphasizes how much of a threat Chase was.
To be fair, the other three have overstayed their welcome, especially Jack, who was no longer a real challenge and only got dumber since S2.
Not really no.
Make no mistake they tried hard shilling him in the final season by dumbing everyone else down but all through the show he was the laziest and had the worst attitude towards being a student like a spoiled brat. He was just the designated self-insert character and his only "growth" came from repeating dumbass mistakes from his ego then suddenly deciding to act reasonably in the last part of an episode.
Omi logically should have been the leader, being the most skilled, the hardest working and literally training for it since birth. His arc about getting rid of his big head was much better handled too.
Wasn't he first to find out that you can combine powers of two Wus?
I don't remember if it was him or Omi who did beat Sapphire Dragon.
He did mess up during Mal, which exposed his flaw. But that period also exposed just how shitty Omi can be with his ego.
Don't remember who was leading when Omi went evil, but I think it was Rai.
There was a lot of build-up before the last last season. Omi couldn't become the leader, not even after fixing his present from the start ego (first episode ends with him fainting over the rest being his equals), because that would still cement he was right to think of himself as superior. Clay wasn't a leader material. Kimiko was the only other viable option.
>Clay wasn't a leader material
I will forever be mad at this, I hate when they make everybody dumb just so the others can look better.
>hey should have redeemed him
Honestly I rather have seen him snap and become a real threat, while maintaining some goofiness
It felt like they could've easily done both: have the real Jack join the monks and become the Dragon of Metal while having Robo-Jack take his spot as a much more threatening antagonist.
>They should have redeemed him like they originally planned >Fire >Water >Earth >Wind >Jack could have been Metal.
Yeah, doesn't quite line up with the Elements of Nature (Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, and Water), but we were close.
>To be fair, the other three have overstayed their welcome
Chase was introduced in the second half of season 2, though that was still longer than season 1, and Wuya got her body back in a weakened state at the end of the season. I think they could have done more with them. If they did overstay their welcome, it doesn't excuse Hannibal sucking.
Literally the only one with anything close to a story arc even if it was only reserved for a handful of episodes. Looking back at the show I can't believe I even gave Omi as much of a pass as I did because he's genuinely unberable especially during that stretch where Raimundo had to constantly hear shit from him for not having the Xaiolin Apprentice status.
Not really no.
Make no mistake they tried hard shilling him in the final season by dumbing everyone else down but all through the show he was the laziest and had the worst attitude towards being a student like a spoiled brat. He was just the designated self-insert character and his only "growth" came from repeating dumbass mistakes from his ego then suddenly deciding to act reasonably in the last part of an episode.
Omi logically should have been the leader, being the most skilled, the hardest working and literally training for it since birth. His arc about getting rid of his big head was much better handled too.
Omi had too big of an ego to be leader and never really let go of it until the end where he had to accept he wasn't chosen.
Wasn't he first to find out that you can combine powers of two Wus?
I don't remember if it was him or Omi who did beat Sapphire Dragon.
He did mess up during Mal, which exposed his flaw. But that period also exposed just how shitty Omi can be with his ego.
Don't remember who was leading when Omi went evil, but I think it was Rai.
There was a lot of build-up before the last last season. Omi couldn't become the leader, not even after fixing his present from the start ego (first episode ends with him fainting over the rest being his equals), because that would still cement he was right to think of himself as superior. Clay wasn't a leader material. Kimiko was the only other viable option.
The only thing against Kimiko was her temper, but that's nothing compared to Omi's lack of humility or Raimundo's laziness and shadiness. Raimundo was also shown to have a bit of a temper.
>laziness
Yeah, early on, Rai needed to be properly motivated. But being rash replaced his flaw.
>shadiness
He went evil once, and only after Omi treated him like a dirt.
I think, when Chase turned Omi evil or into a cat, Rai was the one who throw himself at Chase. He was valiant.
Kimiko's problem was that she didn't have much to do as a character, outside her focus episodes. Major villains didn't care about her or Clay, just about Omi and Rai. Which is why it was either Omi or Rai who had to deal with their worst plots.
But Omi's arc could only conclude with him recognizing somebody else as his superior, so the only real pick was Rai.
>only after Omi treated him like a dirt
He went bad because he didn't get promoted and I probably could have used something better than shadiness. He definitely lost a lot of trust after it as the characters never let him forget about it. >Kimiko's problem was that she didn't have much to do as a character, outside her focus episodes
I was pointing out her character flaws but that was a big problem too. They should have given her and Clay more focus after announcing one would become leader.
>He went bad because he didn't get promoted
Wasn't that because Omi sabotaged him or was that a different promotion, honestly he should have stayed with Wuya she treated him better and the shaolin warriors had it coming, especially when they got mad at him for beating the supposedly unstoppable monster
He didn't get promoted because he went to stop the unstoppable monster on his own and it was Omi that beat the unstoppable monster. Omi never sabotaged his promotions.
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Also Raimundo went to fight it after being told to go into hiding with the other monks by Master Fung.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Omi didnt sabotage him. Rai fricked up and caused the unstoppable monster to become a thing in the first place.
Omi's problem was he indirectly pushed Rai toward jumping ship by being a dickhead
Okay but I know there was a test were Omi sabotaged Rai using the shroud of shadows I believe, must of been a later one
He didn't get promoted because he went to stop the unstoppable monster on his own and it was Omi that beat the unstoppable monster. Omi never sabotaged his promotions.
Omi didnt sabotage him. Rai fricked up and caused the unstoppable monster to become a thing in the first place.
Omi's problem was he indirectly pushed Rai toward jumping ship by being a dickhead
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Okay but I know there was a test were Omi sabotaged Rai using the shroud of shadows I believe, must of been a later one
found it episode 18 pandatown guess it wasn't a test for promotion but still Omi fricked with him with the shroud of shadows and it counted as Rai's failure, so Omi is still a c**t
Personally I don't ANY of them are fit to be leader. Hell, they didn't even need one, they were perfectly fine working together as a unit without any one given person calling the shots.
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Wasn't he first to find out that you can combine powers of two Wus?
I don't remember if it was him or Omi who did beat Sapphire Dragon.
He did mess up during Mal, which exposed his flaw. But that period also exposed just how shitty Omi can be with his ego.
Don't remember who was leading when Omi went evil, but I think it was Rai.
There was a lot of build-up before the last last season. Omi couldn't become the leader, not even after fixing his present from the start ego (first episode ends with him fainting over the rest being his equals), because that would still cement he was right to think of himself as superior. Clay wasn't a leader material. Kimiko was the only other viable option.
>Wasn't he first to find out that you can combine powers of two Wus?
Yes >I don't remember if it was him or Omi who did beat Sapphire Dragon.
Neither of them did the first time, Dojo was the one who defeated it. But Raimundo was the more important one the second time it was seen the finale.
>Redemption arcs should be considered cheating
How so? Jack would have had an amazing redemption arc if they followed up with one after everything he went through in season 2.
>disobeys orders thinking he knows better than his teacher >nearly gets everybody killed >Omi, Kimiko and Clay miraculously manage to defeat Wuya and save themselves, barely escaping with their lives >they get new belts to recognise their achievement and Raimundo logically is not granted the title of Jedi Master for having nearly killed them >gets butthurt by this like a baby and turns evil because he wants a reward for stupidity
No, frick him
Missing the part where he realizes he was being a baby jackass, fixes his frickup, turns down the promotion on his own accord because just fixing a frickup wasnt good enough to him, and sets out to be better.
Yes at least compared to the choices present. It was really between him and Kimiko
Clay >Didnt really do much >Cripplingly chivalrous. Muh "wont hit girls" schtick doesnt fly when one of your main enemies is a girl
Kimiko >Had a bit of an arc >Has social skills >Didnt really do much leader adjacent stuff >Temper
Omi >Minimal social skills >Way too prideful and didnt really get much better about it >Dumbass levels of "honorable". Joined Chase because of a "promise" made when he wasnt really in control of himself
Rai >Has faults but gets better about them throughout the show >Has an idea of how the bad guys work having been on that side >Put in additional work to understand the stuff they were going after >Like Kimiko, actually has some social skills
Not him but Season 2 as a whole especially this episode [...] made me really want to see his redemption.
Jack Truly was treated like dogshit when he attempted redemption by everyone except omi and they made it clear they were just waiting for him to betray them
He is still to blame for doing so but so is everyone else involved
>Its funny to think that Jack spent like...HALF of the show with his good side on Ying Yang World?
It only lasted a couple of episodes not half the show, Jack was just extremely stupid in season 3
Though they were not treating him the best by making him do all their chores, they never made it clear they thought he was going to betray them and he ended up doing it because of his own insecurities mentioned in that webm. His insecurities are mentioned shortly before that as why he's evil to begin with. The thing with them making him do all their chores is they were prone to doing it to newcomers. They did it before with Vlad and it's still better than how others Jack worked with treated him.
Considering Omi had less and less shit to do as the show went on, I think him being Jack's only friend would have been an interesting dynamic.
My biggest flaw with the show is how it was never followed up with another episode about Jack actually trying again and joining the team for real. Imagine a Season 3 where Jack joins the monks far behind them in ranks with both Omi and Raimundo being in charge of teaching him as they were both evil once. Imagine Raimundo being promoted to leader because he had an easier time teaching Jack due to becoming evil by choice and having more insecurities to relate to Jack with than Omi who was essentially brainwashed into becoming evil and had a massive ego.
The issue with Jack changing sides is that he is a damn too good villain to have.
He is just straight up amusing as a vilain, and not sure if the vine would be carried over if he changed sides, or if ge would end up taking the spotlight of the rest of the monks rather than just being another part of the team.
According to the creators, there WERE talks about making him the Dragon of Metal, but I dunno how that would work comsidering that Jack doesn't fight much and that spamming minions is a skill much more fitting for a vilain rather than a hero.
By the end of the show, Jack became way too much of a joke and taking away spotlight is a weird argument. They don't have to make him the focus every time and he could be used to help develop other characters like mentioned in that post and one of the ones it replied to. Fighting would be something he would have to learn since joining would have him behind in ranks, but he would learn elemental powers involving controlling metal while spamming minions is something he could grow out of as he gets better or no longer afford to do like in some episodes. Him being a burden on the group due to his lack of skill or trying to use his inventions in battle and teaching him would be a new obstacle for the monks to face that would change the dynamics.
I wager our Omi Cuckposting vs. their Schizoposting about Neopuritans. Then I call for a Shen Yi Bu Dare. Our Raimundo Self-inserting vs. their Seething about the 2000s.
is he aware that in an early showing of kung fu panda the audience were confused why tai lung was evil, and because of that confusing the director put in tai lug attacking the village flashback last second to remind us that tai lung is evil, thats why the scene is in stills and not animated
this was told in the dvd commentary, originally his crime was disobeying his master and because of that 20 years of jail
It's silly because they even show later Tai Lung didn't deserve it, because Po handed it over to him and he completely failed to understand the point of it.
Chase may have been a pretty shit character with a sudden introduction that was like that of an OP self insert OC in a fanfic, but I'll give it to him, turning Omi into a kitten was fricking funny
Also Jack best boy, funny to think the so called evil genius was a key part in saving the word quite a few times
It's a short, enjoyable watch with a fun concept handled quite well, however the third season isn't as great as the first two (it's still decent) and the characters could have been fleshed out more. Jack is also the best part about the show.
The series sweeps any mention of the long term effects caused by Wuya's reign under the rug even though it's likely Raimundo ended up causing several genocides by helping her.
>that one extra chromosome joke
I still cant believe I was learning that shit in elementary school and then this joke was in the new episode of the day. amazing
Why was my post deleted? Wuya was fully covered (pic related), and nothing of what I said was out of line.
But why? Why isn't there any Raimundo/Wuya fics in ao3 or FF?!
Could be that the writers of this fandom are female.
How would have been the show's reception if the cast was genderswaped?
If the villains were also swapped, male Wuya would have won Mr. (co) a lot sooner than Wuya did, all anons calling him based for wanting to frick femRai;
Didn't he sacrifice himself for the team in both alternate timelines Omi causes in the last episode? I don't remember if the characters beside Omi are aware of that bbuty the end it should be proof enough for the viewer at least
I suppose? I think out of all of them, logically Clay(who had the least flaws) should've been the leader. Though, the 'most improved' type thing, seems to matter a lot more than consistency, and Raimundo was one of the more interesting.
Yes. Even without Wu they are way above the Gaang. The only caveats would be bloodbending and Avatar State. Still I am prettt sure their upgraded elemental stuff and their vastly better martial arts would win out
>Generally superior martial arts skills by a wide margin >Can smash apart advanced robots, golems, and iceburgs with their bare hands without using element stuff >Can carry around boulders, cows, and horses >Can leave afterimages >Better teamwork
And other such things. In a straight battle the Gaang would be crushed
If it's both whole gangs against each other without outside weapons, then it's legal.
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Anonymous
Even then. Look at some clips of the monks through the series. At first they just punctuate their kung fu with their elements but by the end they're basically summoning it bender style. Hell by the end of the series Raimundo can basically fly.
I don't remember Rai/Clay doing things Aang/Toph could pull. Omi/Kimiko vs Katara/Zuko is more close due to Omi's cartoony martial arts and Zuko being often beaten by rest of the Gaang.
True but I feel like the show made it clear that Ok I just is incapable of growing hair. I dont think he's willingly shaving it cuz otherwise he wouldn't fantasize about having it. And it's not like any of the other monks shave their heads.
I had an idea a while ago of Jack getting moretall and built as he gets older out of necessity and Wuya starts coming on to him. And he doesn't know how to react cuz she's still just a nagging hag to him.
I prefer the reverse. Wuya notices him maturing. Jack always was attracted to her from the start. He becomes more stern and serious. Yet still Jackish. Wuya likes when he stands up for himself.
It'd be more of a Wuya sees him as an equal, or partner.
Not too different. I see Jack as "attracted" but also he's close enough to her that it's weird. It's like having a super hot aunt or something. You know factually she's hot but you might not think of her like that.
I mean yeah. There's a difference between finding someone hot and wanting to frick them. Like Jack would have fricked Wuya if she had no personality like his Wuyabot. She's hot in a vacuum when she's not nagging him. Its the nagging that makes him not really think of her as an option. On some base level hed love to smash but Wuya sucks so he doesn't pursue it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Jack would have fricked Wuya if she had no personality
Nah, he just wants to dominate her. He still hangs around her even after she got her body back. Jack wants to be a real evil villain. A true threat.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This, she's hot but the current power balance is too much of a turn off.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This, she's hot but the current power balance is too much of a turn off.
Knowing Jack he'd want to be the kinda guy who could be super dominant and sadistic with a girl but in reality he would probably just want to be comforted and coddled. Like he'd talk a big game and shove you around but he just wants to be hugged and told he's doing a good job.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Jack wants a “mommy”. It’s most likely why he stuck with Wuya. She constantly nags him, and she also helps him mature. He was coddled. Wuya is more aloof when she has her power. Genuinely, if Rai and Jack swapped places, Jack would have loved full power Wuya. She gives him whatever he asks, she comes around when she feels like (so he can work on his bots), and she’s affectionate when needed. He would of had an all powerful sugar momma willing to share her control.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah! Basically what I was trying to say without saying it. I don't even think it'd be a dom/sub thing. Jack's just the kinda guy that likes to be pampered and taken care of. The only reason he doesnt pursue Wuya is cuz she treats him like garbage.? If she treated Jack like Rai the world really would have ended. Unless he got greedy or something.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If Jack was competent she’d be all over him. Shame there’s no fanfiction.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It is odd that there are barely any stories about the two of them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No fricking taste is what it is.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Jack, if this going to happen you're going to have to promise to not shriek like a girl. >Wuya we both know I can't promise that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It writes itself.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't find it odd. He's a tumblr sexyman.
7 months ago
Anonymous
And she's a Cinemaphile sexywoman. Their love is forbidden.
I remember thinking it was pretty cool. Raymundo had the most character development, and Omi was a prideful little shit.
Speaking of Xiaolin Showdown, what the frick was up with that character in the second series that was just like Omi but with glasses? Was that supposed to be a joke about all Asians looking alike? Wasn't he the wood element guy, but there wasn't any metal person, even though Jack was the perfect candidate?
>Omi was a prideful little shit
he was basically the only student at the school before they shipped in a bunch of diversity kids from the inner city
who could blame him for being prideful
I hate that he learns to be less prideful and to appreciate the talents of his peers, and friends. But the next episode it's erased. You could say it plays into why he's too immature to be picked to be the ultimate warrior, but there are other ways to show that.
Maybe it's cause I only watched the early seasons but I never got the impression Omi had an ego or that Rai was kind. From what I saw Omi was just a silly little goofball and Rai was a huge jerkwad all the time for no reason
Omi basically bullied Rai because he didn't get the shaolin rank
he treat him as lesser because of it
i mean Rai deserved it because he also made fun of Omi but Omi should known better. His ego is as big as his head
Omi always acts like he's better than everyone else and tries to do things on his own a lot, but this is because of his lack of social skills and spending his whole life training. Raimundo started out as a bit of a bully and mellowed out, but can be a bit of a lazy butthole and still be as brash as Omi.
>Jack used the Changing Chopsticks to take mcguffins without initiating a Xiaolin Showdown >he used deception >helped Wuya but she betrayed him >aftermath is he dumps Wuya and makes a sexy Wuyabot that can also track shen gon wu >Wuya tries to find replacements, like Katnappe, but fails >Randomly Jack is back with Wuya in one episode with no explain action as if nothing happened
I rather he stayed separate from Wuya or at least have the show explain why theyre back together.
On the topic of Wuya replacements, this guy was an anomaly they never bothered having Jack use as a replacement, but still has an odd presence >only had one major role >never explained why he decided to help Jack and Wuya with Jack talking about killing all mimes when they first meet >his only other notable role is showing up in the future episode after being defeated in Jack's colesium visably not aged a single day in 80 years >never used in any teams Jack forms >makes multiple background cameos across the series with other villains >is a popular character to fans
He thought jack was a fellow mime because of his pale skin and decided to help him out, he didn't hear that "vaporize all mimes" bit because mimes are universally deaf, as everyone knows.
>Jack used the Changing Chopsticks to take mcguffins without initiating a Xiaolin Showdown >he used deception >helped Wuya but she betrayed him >aftermath is he dumps Wuya and makes a sexy Wuyabot that can also track shen gon wu >Wuya tries to find replacements, like Katnappe, but fails >Randomly Jack is back with Wuya in one episode with no explain action as if nothing happened
I rather he stayed separate from Wuya or at least have the show explain why theyre back together.
The idea that there should be a leader really fricking confused me because they operated generally well as a team with insight and input from every member. Him getting a new level of advancement to Shoku? Fine. Raymundo getting acknowledged to be the best of the four then getting singled out by enemies in future episodes that either show his growth to handle it, or show why he still needs his team despite it? Fine.
But what could they possibly gain by removing the interplay between the characters in decision making? There's only three ways that goes: 1. Nothing changes. 2. Raymundo is appreciated for his decisions, or 3. He is, or is accused of abusing his 1v3 authority.
The show doesnt make a big deal out of it, but the Shaolin Monks always have a defacto leader. Master Fung in the present, Grand Master Dashi thousands of years ago.
It was probably something done for in a way of "if Fung kicks the bucket here's who will lead from now on"
Fung looks 2 generations away from death before accounting for mystic kungfrickery. But sure enemies and all that... still it seemed like kind of a weird conclusion. I mean Chronicles does nothing with it since all the other Dragons reach Shoku and Raymundo talks way less than Omi.
Funny it was her first year being nominated too and got in at 34th seed with Wuya just 8 above her. I wonder what happened to give Xiaolin Showdown such an edge this year. Years of Wuya buildup?
This year it's the 20th anniversary of the show.
I don't think Jack being a monk could have worked, he works best as an antagonist; he did make a wu detector so instead of being the dragon of metal, he could learn to fix and create new sheng go wu, selling them and thus representing bigger problems for both sides.
Adding to that, he keeps releasing evil entities as he keeps looking for friends.
>he keeps releasing evil entities as he keeps looking for friends
That is a good reason he could have joined the monks. Omi was his only real friend even if he wouldn't admit that.
>he works best as an antagonist
Jack became a meme in universe by the time the show ended he wasn't a threat anymore outside of Time Shenanigans.
I meant that as in he's causing more problems for everybody else. He doesn't have to be a threat or intentionally put the monks in danger, I see him more as staying in the showdowns due to an genuinely interest in the wu and not having anyone to talk to
7 months ago
Anonymous
Guan founded his own temple.
[...]
This year it's the 20th anniversary of the show.
I don't think Jack being a monk could have worked, he works best as an antagonist; he did make a wu detector so instead of being the dragon of metal, he could learn to fix and create new sheng go wu, selling them and thus representing bigger problems for both sides.
Adding to that, he keeps releasing evil entities as he keeps looking for friends.
I dunno even in season 3 he managed to get a W every now and again. I still think my favorite is Jack Spicer refused to release Hannibal Bean. It show's that he's actually smart and not nearly as insecure as and stupid as the monks thought.
Also him capturing Chase in the sphere of Yun is just a great episode.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That sphere of yun episode was in season 2.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Shit you're right. Honestly now that I think about it, it's not that Jack is that much of a joke in season 3. It's that there's just...literally not all that much of season 3. There's like half as many episodes as season 2.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Season 1 and 3 are the same length and he's much more of a joke in 3 than 1.
How can Wuya sense the shen gong wu if they were created to counter her? Why did Dashi die when Master Monk Guan is still alive and Dashi had magical abilities?
Could that be why something as destructive as the Sapphire Dragon was created? The episode where Dojo started destroying things when an extreme urge sets in to collect shen gong wu for 24 hours says it happens every 1500 years and the shen gong wu were created 1500 years before that episode. What if Dojo killed Dashi during the rampage and the Sapphire Dragon was created to counter Dojo when that happens? That could also be the reason its weakness is soot. Dashi could have planned for Dojo to be fighting it the whole day until time was almost up and he could no longer breathe fire covering it in soot. The reason Dojo didn't remember to do that is because at the end of the episode where he goes on the rampage, he forgets everything he did. Dashi could have left a note telling Dojo to hide it in a volcano for when it was all over.
Funny it was her first year being nominated too and got in at 34th seed with Wuya just 8 above her. I wonder what happened to give Xiaolin Showdown such an edge this year. Years of Wuya buildup?
I always wondered why when Wuya first got her body back and went on her world conquest spree that we never saw any pushback from any nations' militaries. Would've been interesting to see the full power of Heylin magic absolutely obliterating modern tech without much effort.
It would have been cool to see, but we do hear about some pushback. She tells one of her rock minions to tell the Prime Minister of some nation to surrender or be destroyed. It's probably not shown for potentially being too costly to animate and not adding anything to the plot.
Definitely. He was the one on the team who actually tried to branch out and do more shit on his own as well as get his shit together when he fricked up.
Yes. He and Kimiko are the only ones who went through character development and his was greater than hers. Clay was too static and Omi was fricking annoying.
Came here to say the same thing. Raimundo and Kimiko were the only characters with actual defined arcs.
I wish Kimiko got more to do. She seemed like one of the more mature ones in the group while having more of a backbone than Clay. I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
>I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
Headcannon. Jack became more competent to impress his waifu.
Who would Jack's waifu be? He strikes me as the type of guy to pretend to like edgy stuff but secretly be into the cutest slice of life series.
>Absurdly talented but craves the recognition he never receives
>Yearns for validation from peers, especially from absent mother who he wants to impress
>Cowardly and immature due to total abscence of self-esteem
Jack screams Mommy issues. He’d want a Perfect Mommy Wife he can frick, but he wouldn’t want to do that he’d just want her to hug him and tell him she’s proud of him
Jack totally wanted to frick Wuya for that reason, he made a sexy fembot based on her.
In kimiko lead future, I see him wanting to be led and dominated by Kimiko, but she won't do it for him.
Jack DEFINITELY had a thing for her and I have to say. I think Wuya and Jack are the best ship in the show (at least ghost Wuya and Jack). They have the best chemistry and have a funny dynamic. Wuya is like a girl that constantly tries to find herself a better boyfriend, but gets dumped all the time and comes back to Jack who despite being to her below her standards always welcomes her back despite how angry he is at her. It is weirdly heartwarming and pretty messed up.
I kinda like that even when wuya gets her body back Jack doesn't treat her differently. Like wuya is hot and powerful enough to kill him with a flick of the wrist but he still bickers with her like he always does. It's cute.
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>he combined features of her ghostly form and witch form
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One thing you have to admire Jack for is he's not a simp. He's been shown to have a crush on Kimiko and still attempts to stop or kill her like the other monks. He's a simpleton, but not a simp.
>I didn't like how they made the future where she leads somehow make Jack infinitely more competent.
It's not like Jack won because Kimiko was the leader, he won because one of the 4 heroes disappeared. It's meant to show that each member of the dragons is essential and that without all 4 working together, they can't win
That was just part of it. It was being shown to tell us why Kimiko and Clay were out of the running to be leader.
What was Kimiko's character arc?
he is the one that didn't care about some shitty tittle and instead wanted to grow as a person so yes
do you think that fricking wuya was too much for a show made for kids?
Him deciding to return to the Xiaolin side did gave him an advantage over the others but is a bit unfair that Kimiko and Clay didn't have more focus for growth.
I wonder if, like Jack, to whom the excess supposedly didn't allow to change sides, it happened the same with the other dragons.
Cartoons have gotten with way more.
I fell the same for Clay, he's not the quitter type.
I kind of wonder what the reaction would have been had Jack joined the monks then was made the Shoku Warrior kind of like a Lloyd and Green Ninja thing years prior to that series.
When will the lies end?
Jack is best boy and deserved better
Out of all, Clay is the best one.
agree to disagree
I forget how expressive and nice the style for this show was.
I have to agree on this, I think also the first thing Wuya tasked Raimundo when he joined her actually got it done in no time.
Jack deserved to be BETRAYED and TRAPPED. Raimundo is handsome and restored Wuya's original form.
Jack tried his hardest and gave Wuya everything he could including an invincible warrior. Does that not matter?
He forgot giving it a dick
That was not in the instructions Wuya gave him for putting it together.
Says you
He gave that snowman a heart instead of a dick.
>Jack tried his hardest
And failed. Besides I'd put "hardest" in quotes, Jack seemed to value style over function and effectiveness, which led to many defeats that made Wuya angry over time.
Jack just wants to have fun when trying to takeover. The world's not going anywhere.
That sounds like something Chase Young would disagree on. Granted though, the guy is the lamest villain to me compared to Jack, Wuya and Hannibal.
Hannibal was the worst villain to me. Nothing about him as a character is all that interesting and they had to retcon the lao mang lone soup to shove him into Chase's backstory. Unlike the other 3 main villains, he doesn't get to take over the world in an episode or really win at anything ever. The jobbean only exists to give someone the monks can reasonably kick the ass of that isn't Jack or someone for Wuya and Jack to grovel to when Daddy Chase isn't giving them attention. Ironic he was set up to be the greatest evil and someone Chase fears when his existence merely emphasizes how much of a threat Chase was.
>insulting my villain
>raimundo gave her everything she wanted
>jack gave her everything he had
I've always thought this was because Wuya saw in Raimundo potential thanks to his abilities and the darkness growing inside him (maybe personal liking?) The fact she compliment his appearance in a later episode seems to imply that. Kind of reminds me on how Chase Young saw potential on Omi and the latter became evil. Granted though, Jack wasn't that skilled but he had the brains, though the guy also kept moving on from putting his faith on a particular person (Wuya, Chase, Bean).
Jack only started jumping from person to person after Wuya betrayed him the first time.
BETRAYED and TRAPPED him.
I see it more as "he's a cute pet, also I don't mind sharing the title of ruler of the world with him because how long do humans live again? 150 years? he will die in a couple of centuries I guess"
Nah, Wuya seemed to respect people who got shit done and Rai got shit done
Reminder
>Wuya*
Can't you try something more original, IC?
Only NSA dickriders will disagree with this
Yes.
I don't remember anything about this show
Except that this guy annoyed the hell out of me for being a shitty lazy brat all the time and I only like the Omi kid
>HOLY MACARONI, Are you telling me Raimundo was chosen as Shoku Warrior and NOT ME!? HERE TAKE ALL THE SHEN GON WUS, SPICER. DESTROY everything I love as Raimundo fricks Wuya and steals all the GLORY from ME
>Look midget even if I'm grateful about you surrounding like an idiot I can't help but think is is low even for yoursel...
>I DON'T GIVE A SHIT JUST TAKE THESE AND TELL WUYA TO DESTROY EVERYTHING I'VE STRIVED UP FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE! YABBA DABBA DO IT!
>YABBA DABBA
Every bald martial artist says this for some reason.
If you're bald, short and have weird symbols in your forehead you're kind to do that.
I want to know why Fred Flintstone's catchphrase is involved with cuck fantasies
Ask Krillin
Weird end to Omi's character. Canon, though.
Lmao
In what fricking universe is Fred Flinstone's catchphrase associated with Omi or Krillin??
/dbs/ made a meme about cucking Krillin involving greentexts where he says 'yabba dabba doo'
don't ask why they do anything. Same with Vegeta going 'I Kneel!', characters striding into view with the caption 'Enter' and Goku asking people to kiss his wife.
>I kneel is from an actual scene in the anime where Vegeta kneels to Whis though he doesn't say I kneel
>striding with the caption 'Enter' is just an exploitable and "cool" way to introduce a character
>Goku asking people to kiss his wife is making fun of how its canon Goku never kissed Chi-Chi
There's also the promise to Elder Kai where Vegeta got pissed and told Goku to offer up his own wife.
ok then compare it to Jiren being incredibly verbose or Vegeta going 'AAAAIIIIIEEEEEE' or everyone intermittedly lapsing into Spanish
It's funnier to speak in a cartoonish way while you're showing them as cartoonish
>Jirenposting likely came to be from people comically hyping Jiren up due to being the new antagonist at first then it became funny to treat him as this amazing, intelligent character when backlash for hyping up Jiren started up with every e-celeb under the sun talking about how he's boring and terrible character
>AAIIEE comes from panels in the manga and I think different language dubs of the anime that is often used when characters get hurt
>speaking Spanish in Dragon Ball threads and calling others Spanish is poking fun at the series' large Spanish fanbases that rival the US and Japanese ones
Not going to lie, seeing /dbs/ posts is the only fun I get out of this site anymore.
First ya get BETRAYED and then he's gonna get a lil bit TRAPPED
I wonder if this show ever caused seizures, jesus christ
Man I was thinking the same thing
I'm not epileptic but that first clip made me feel weird
All while Omi was WATCHING like a cuck.
BEAST
Were we really supposed to believe Raimundo could take all 4 of them on solo?
He didn't, he hold them off for some time, which was super cool still
They got good hits on him, but Raimundo still kicked all their asses sending them flying off the tower.
So, is there a non-censored version or did they really have those flashes every time something got struck?
I wish, a lot of shows made by WB had those hit flashes, and even as a kid I found them annoying.
so you're getting this on your recommended too, huh?
No, I just watched it all after Wuya wooed me.
Nah, I watched it when it originally ran on Cartoon Network.
>when it originally ran on cartoon network
You mean Kids' WB, right, anon?
It aired reruns on Cartoon Network after it ended.
The entire last season Rai's got ideas he pushes for solving problems, the entire finale too when everyone is getting angry or frustrated he's got a plan.
In the eyes of young me, no. I was fricking butthurt.
Who did you want to become the leader?
Not Omi.
The leader thing came out of nowhere to me. I didn't want anyone to be the leader. Rai caused way too many trouble and the others were dumbed down to make him look good. Felt forced to me.
It was forced.
Raimundo is the self insert character for boys in a kids cartoon. Of course he was gonna be the leader
>X is a self-insert
Touch grass
2000s shit was garbage
>IC
Discarded. Next.
Tell me some things you unironically like about Raimundo. Hard mode: No self-inserting as him banging Wuya.
His emo side. I think he worked more as an anti-hero
Him and Jack make my peepee hard, especially when the two bang Wuya. Omibro btw.
After he abandoned Wuya, Raimundo started to use Jack's tight boy-hole.
To be fair, the other three have overstayed their welcome, especially Jack, who was no longer a real challenge and only got dumber since S2.
>Clay wasn't a leader material
I will forever be mad at this, I hate when they make everybody dumb just so the others can look better.
>especially Jack, who was no longer a real challenge and only got dumber since S2.
They should have redeemed him like they originally planned
>hey should have redeemed him
Honestly I rather have seen him snap and become a real threat, while maintaining some goofiness
Not him but Season 2 as a whole especially this episode
made me really want to see his redemption.
It felt like they could've easily done both: have the real Jack join the monks and become the Dragon of Metal while having Robo-Jack take his spot as a much more threatening antagonist.
>They should have redeemed him like they originally planned
>Fire
>Water
>Earth
>Wind
>Jack could have been Metal.
Yeah, doesn't quite line up with the Elements of Nature (Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, and Water), but we were close.
>To be fair, the other three have overstayed their welcome
Chase was introduced in the second half of season 2, though that was still longer than season 1, and Wuya got her body back in a weakened state at the end of the season. I think they could have done more with them. If they did overstay their welcome, it doesn't excuse Hannibal sucking.
Realistic reaction of a kid trying to be a monk
Literally the only one with anything close to a story arc even if it was only reserved for a handful of episodes. Looking back at the show I can't believe I even gave Omi as much of a pass as I did because he's genuinely unberable especially during that stretch where Raimundo had to constantly hear shit from him for not having the Xaiolin Apprentice status.
Good, Raimundo deserved shit for that. He deserved more shit for that than he got.
I'm Brazilian, He's Brazilian. He's from Rio, I'm from Rio. I never had a chance of not liking my bro.
What about self-inserting as him banging Kimiko?
What about self-inserting as him banging Jack?
What about self inserting as him banging Chase?
Barely interacted
Chase Young only likes to chase the youngest
In the team's case, that's Omi
YABBA DABBA OH NO
He has wind powers and a cool name
Hell no. This was the biggest slap in the face at the end of the show and was fricking lame.
Not really no.
Make no mistake they tried hard shilling him in the final season by dumbing everyone else down but all through the show he was the laziest and had the worst attitude towards being a student like a spoiled brat. He was just the designated self-insert character and his only "growth" came from repeating dumbass mistakes from his ego then suddenly deciding to act reasonably in the last part of an episode.
Omi logically should have been the leader, being the most skilled, the hardest working and literally training for it since birth. His arc about getting rid of his big head was much better handled too.
Omi had too big of an ego to be leader and never really let go of it until the end where he had to accept he wasn't chosen.
The only thing against Kimiko was her temper, but that's nothing compared to Omi's lack of humility or Raimundo's laziness and shadiness. Raimundo was also shown to have a bit of a temper.
>laziness
Rai was the only one to do research on the wu and put extra work in once he got his shit together
>shadiness
Has its place when dealing with bad guys.
He used wu to avoid doing chores and whenever someone like Vlad joined them, he would be the first to push his chores onto them.
He works smarter, not harder which every single master of his appreciates.
>laziness
Yeah, early on, Rai needed to be properly motivated. But being rash replaced his flaw.
>shadiness
He went evil once, and only after Omi treated him like a dirt.
I think, when Chase turned Omi evil or into a cat, Rai was the one who throw himself at Chase. He was valiant.
Kimiko's problem was that she didn't have much to do as a character, outside her focus episodes. Major villains didn't care about her or Clay, just about Omi and Rai. Which is why it was either Omi or Rai who had to deal with their worst plots.
But Omi's arc could only conclude with him recognizing somebody else as his superior, so the only real pick was Rai.
>only after Omi treated him like a dirt
He went bad because he didn't get promoted and I probably could have used something better than shadiness. He definitely lost a lot of trust after it as the characters never let him forget about it.
>Kimiko's problem was that she didn't have much to do as a character, outside her focus episodes
I was pointing out her character flaws but that was a big problem too. They should have given her and Clay more focus after announcing one would become leader.
>He went bad because he didn't get promoted
Wasn't that because Omi sabotaged him or was that a different promotion, honestly he should have stayed with Wuya she treated him better and the shaolin warriors had it coming, especially when they got mad at him for beating the supposedly unstoppable monster
He didn't get promoted because he went to stop the unstoppable monster on his own and it was Omi that beat the unstoppable monster. Omi never sabotaged his promotions.
Also Raimundo went to fight it after being told to go into hiding with the other monks by Master Fung.
Okay but I know there was a test were Omi sabotaged Rai using the shroud of shadows I believe, must of been a later one
Omi didnt sabotage him. Rai fricked up and caused the unstoppable monster to become a thing in the first place.
Omi's problem was he indirectly pushed Rai toward jumping ship by being a dickhead
He didn't cause it to become a thing. Omi failed a Xiaolin Showdown against Jack over the Heart of Jong which was used to awaken Mala Mala Jong.
Rai was held responsible because they took some of their previously won Wu to make it happen.
Wouldn't everyone be responsible then?
He didn't cause the monster, but he did get caught so Wuya could read his mind to find where the monks were hiding.
found it episode 18 pandatown guess it wasn't a test for promotion but still Omi fricked with him with the shroud of shadows and it counted as Rai's failure, so Omi is still a c**t
Personally I don't ANY of them are fit to be leader. Hell, they didn't even need one, they were perfectly fine working together as a unit without any one given person calling the shots.
Of course he did. He was white.
Clay was the only white one.
Wait was Raimundo Argentinian? I thought we was Brazilian.
He was Brazilian
Argentinians who proudly claim thenselves to be honorary europeans (they are blacks)
Brazilians who proud claim thenselves to be suave hot blood latinos (they are pasty crackers)
Wasn't he first to find out that you can combine powers of two Wus?
I don't remember if it was him or Omi who did beat Sapphire Dragon.
He did mess up during Mal, which exposed his flaw. But that period also exposed just how shitty Omi can be with his ego.
Don't remember who was leading when Omi went evil, but I think it was Rai.
There was a lot of build-up before the last last season. Omi couldn't become the leader, not even after fixing his present from the start ego (first episode ends with him fainting over the rest being his equals), because that would still cement he was right to think of himself as superior. Clay wasn't a leader material. Kimiko was the only other viable option.
>Wasn't he first to find out that you can combine powers of two Wus?
Yes
>I don't remember if it was him or Omi who did beat Sapphire Dragon.
Neither of them did the first time, Dojo was the one who defeated it. But Raimundo was the more important one the second time it was seen the finale.
The guy unironically had more leadership capabilities than Omi.
Redemption arcs should be considered cheating but damn did Raimundo deserve it after everything he went through.
>Redemption arcs should be considered cheating
How so? Jack would have had an amazing redemption arc if they followed up with one after everything he went through in season 2.
Because redemption arcs are too easy to pull off and make a character look good. Not saying they're bad and I like Raimundo's arc.
>disobeys orders thinking he knows better than his teacher
>nearly gets everybody killed
>Omi, Kimiko and Clay miraculously manage to defeat Wuya and save themselves, barely escaping with their lives
>they get new belts to recognise their achievement and Raimundo logically is not granted the title of Jedi Master for having nearly killed them
>gets butthurt by this like a baby and turns evil because he wants a reward for stupidity
No, frick him
Missing the part where he realizes he was being a baby jackass, fixes his frickup, turns down the promotion on his own accord because just fixing a frickup wasnt good enough to him, and sets out to be better.
Yes at least compared to the choices present. It was really between him and Kimiko
Clay
>Didnt really do much
>Cripplingly chivalrous. Muh "wont hit girls" schtick doesnt fly when one of your main enemies is a girl
Kimiko
>Had a bit of an arc
>Has social skills
>Didnt really do much leader adjacent stuff
>Temper
Omi
>Minimal social skills
>Way too prideful and didnt really get much better about it
>Dumbass levels of "honorable". Joined Chase because of a "promise" made when he wasnt really in control of himself
Rai
>Has faults but gets better about them throughout the show
>Has an idea of how the bad guys work having been on that side
>Put in additional work to understand the stuff they were going after
>Like Kimiko, actually has some social skills
Jack Truly was treated like dogshit when he attempted redemption by everyone except omi and they made it clear they were just waiting for him to betray them
He is still to blame for doing so but so is everyone else involved
And after this episode Jack just became more of a punching bag for both the villains and heroes
Its funny to think that Jack spent like...HALF of the show with his good side on Ying Yang World?
Which means that for HALF of the show Jack had his inteligence and physical prowness cut in half. Jack was literally handcaped for half of the show.
>Its funny to think that Jack spent like...HALF of the show with his good side on Ying Yang World?
It only lasted a couple of episodes not half the show, Jack was just extremely stupid in season 3
Considering Omi had less and less shit to do as the show went on, I think him being Jack's only friend would have been an interesting dynamic.
Though they were not treating him the best by making him do all their chores, they never made it clear they thought he was going to betray them and he ended up doing it because of his own insecurities mentioned in that webm. His insecurities are mentioned shortly before that as why he's evil to begin with. The thing with them making him do all their chores is they were prone to doing it to newcomers. They did it before with Vlad and it's still better than how others Jack worked with treated him.
My biggest flaw with the show is how it was never followed up with another episode about Jack actually trying again and joining the team for real. Imagine a Season 3 where Jack joins the monks far behind them in ranks with both Omi and Raimundo being in charge of teaching him as they were both evil once. Imagine Raimundo being promoted to leader because he had an easier time teaching Jack due to becoming evil by choice and having more insecurities to relate to Jack with than Omi who was essentially brainwashed into becoming evil and had a massive ego.
The issue with Jack changing sides is that he is a damn too good villain to have.
He is just straight up amusing as a vilain, and not sure if the vine would be carried over if he changed sides, or if ge would end up taking the spotlight of the rest of the monks rather than just being another part of the team.
According to the creators, there WERE talks about making him the Dragon of Metal, but I dunno how that would work comsidering that Jack doesn't fight much and that spamming minions is a skill much more fitting for a vilain rather than a hero.
By the end of the show, Jack became way too much of a joke and taking away spotlight is a weird argument. They don't have to make him the focus every time and he could be used to help develop other characters like mentioned in that post and one of the ones it replied to. Fighting would be something he would have to learn since joining would have him behind in ranks, but he would learn elemental powers involving controlling metal while spamming minions is something he could grow out of as he gets better or no longer afford to do like in some episodes. Him being a burden on the group due to his lack of skill or trying to use his inventions in battle and teaching him would be a new obstacle for the monks to face that would change the dynamics.
I think it could have worked having Jack bounce back with the monks and throw down against the other villains that viewed him as incompetent joke
Culturegay frick off. You're doing the same thing you accuse NPF of doing by tainting the well.
>the schizos are here
I say we challenge them to a Showdown
Agreed. Omi will WATCH.
I wager our Omi Cuckposting vs. their Schizoposting about Neopuritans. Then I call for a Shen Yi Bu Dare. Our Raimundo Self-inserting vs. their Seething about the 2000s.
>I'm such an over 40 grown man
You are, IC.
>trying this hard to fit in
He's literally me
Not what his milf folder filled with vomit has to say
>Original creator is in charge of the reboot, and was the one who pitched it.
>It's still garbage.
How did THAT happen?
Cheese eating surrender monkeys happened
There was an interview where she talked about how production suffered from the language barrier with the French staff. I'll try to find it.
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Yes
No he did not. This is the Tai Lung situation all over again. I wouldn't be surprised if Omi just straight up left after this bull happened.
>This is the Tai Lung situation all over again
Begone schizo
There's a schizo obsessed with Tai Lung?
>There's a schizo obsessed with Tai Lung
Yeah always going on about how Tai Lung dindu nuffin and deserved the dragon scroll and Po didn't
Is he aware Tai Lung's a murderer?
He argured he's not because you didn't see any onscreen decapatations or anything like that
is he aware that in an early showing of kung fu panda the audience were confused why tai lung was evil, and because of that confusing the director put in tai lug attacking the village flashback last second to remind us that tai lung is evil, thats why the scene is in stills and not animated
this was told in the dvd commentary, originally his crime was disobeying his master and because of that 20 years of jail
Are you him?
It's silly because they even show later Tai Lung didn't deserve it, because Po handed it over to him and he completely failed to understand the point of it.
he'd leave but he'd go 'Yabba Dabba Doo!' before he did
Omi won.
Won what?
Chase may have been a pretty shit character with a sudden introduction that was like that of an OP self insert OC in a fanfic, but I'll give it to him, turning Omi into a kitten was fricking funny
Also Jack best boy, funny to think the so called evil genius was a key part in saving the word quite a few times
Chase was fine. He was treated more seriously than anything prior, but it was a nice contrast.
Yes
Does this show hold up? I only ever watched it on air.
It's a short, enjoyable watch with a fun concept handled quite well, however the third season isn't as great as the first two (it's still decent) and the characters could have been fleshed out more. Jack is also the best part about the show.
The series sweeps any mention of the long term effects caused by Wuya's reign under the rug even though it's likely Raimundo ended up causing several genocides by helping her.
After defeating her they had a handwave line that everything has turned back to be like Wuya never conquered the world.
>it's likely Raimundo ended up causing several genocides by helping her.
her return to power lasted like a day, how far could she have possibly gotten
>that one extra chromosome joke
I still cant believe I was learning that shit in elementary school and then this joke was in the new episode of the day. amazing
Which episode was this? I gotta see it
Wu Got The Power around 11:50. Hannibal says it to Jack.
thanks man
I never actually watched it I just like shitting on and making stuff up about Raimundo because he seems generic.
He honestly deserved to die after betraying everyone
Why was my post deleted? Wuya was fully covered (pic related), and nothing of what I said was out of line.
Could be that the writers of this fandom are female.
If the villains were also swapped, male Wuya would have won Mr. (co) a lot sooner than Wuya did, all anons calling him based for wanting to frick femRai;
Didn't he sacrifice himself for the team in both alternate timelines Omi causes in the last episode? I don't remember if the characters beside Omi are aware of that bbuty the end it should be proof enough for the viewer at least
Never forget this BLM supporting girl is projecting her Catholic trauma onto her self insert with Jack Spicer
I thought she was just a ripoff of Harley Quinn. Her art is cute anyway
I suppose? I think out of all of them, logically Clay(who had the least flaws) should've been the leader. Though, the 'most improved' type thing, seems to matter a lot more than consistency, and Raimundo was one of the more interesting.
Does Raimundo still filter people after all these years?
Yes. He's a brazilian he deserves a w
But why? Why isn't there any Raimundo/Wuya fics in ao3 or FF?!
Let us write one, together.
But I dont know how to write good smut anon.
Yeah
The episode where Rai went evil blew my childhood mind.
>That victory theme when Wuya is sealed away again.
NGL, the soundtrack really went above and beyond alot of the other shows.
It also actually felt alot more final than the actual ending, somehow
How do Xiaolin Showdown videos manage to avoid COPPA comment disabling?
There's some shows the COPPA algorithm doesn't give a shit about.
Could the xiaolin monks beat the Avatar crew? No shen gong wu to keep it fair.
The xiaolin warriors without shen gong wu is like team avatar without bending
What do you mean? By season 3 they were depending on wu less and less.Hell their wudai form far surpassed most wu by that point.
Yes. Even without Wu they are way above the Gaang. The only caveats would be bloodbending and Avatar State. Still I am prettt sure their upgraded elemental stuff and their vastly better martial arts would win out
>they are way above the Gaang
I haven't seen Avatar in years, how are the monks above them?
>Generally superior martial arts skills by a wide margin
>Can smash apart advanced robots, golems, and iceburgs with their bare hands without using element stuff
>Can carry around boulders, cows, and horses
>Can leave afterimages
>Better teamwork
And other such things. In a straight battle the Gaang would be crushed
Ok I forgot just how many non strictly elemental powers they had, because elemental stuff wasn't much impressive without Wus.
People sleeping on the late game powerups.
Power Rangers formations are cheating
If it's both whole gangs against each other without outside weapons, then it's legal.
Even then. Look at some clips of the monks through the series. At first they just punctuate their kung fu with their elements but by the end they're basically summoning it bender style. Hell by the end of the series Raimundo can basically fly.
I don't remember Rai/Clay doing things Aang/Toph could pull. Omi/Kimiko vs Katara/Zuko is more close due to Omi's cartoony martial arts and Zuko being often beaten by rest of the Gaang.
How would have been the show's reception if the cast was genderswaped?
>femOmi has hair
I think omi is actually bald so fem omi probably would be too
Shaolin monks are male and shave their head, there is no female equivalent.
Oh so that is why Omi was so nonchalant about making fun of Kimiko for being a girl
He was just following the sacred texts.
It's quite fortunate Omi can take a punch.
True but I feel like the show made it clear that Ok I just is incapable of growing hair. I dont think he's willingly shaving it cuz otherwise he wouldn't fantasize about having it. And it's not like any of the other monks shave their heads.
Wasn’t Jack originally going to be a girl?
Jack Spicer as a girl is hot
>chronicles design
What can I say? I like the mature look
FemOmi is pretty cute.
>Clay turns into Applejack
I dig it.
SO what was the deal with them just leaving Future Jack in the present in the middle of nowhere?
Old man is just gonna die in the wilderness.
Now that the dust has settled, what did you think of French Scrappy Doo and Rule 63 Chase?
I try not to think of them, actually
WIth as bad at Chronicles was, these two still somehow managed to be the worst parts of it, alongside the really fricking boring showdowns.
I mean right's design isn't bad.
Fresh witch b***h
You draw this?
Yeah.
Nice
Nice.
Coming on to say, Wuya is cool as hell. I think endgame would be Jack. He very clearly liked her. Rai was too immature ironically enough.
I had an idea a while ago of Jack getting moretall and built as he gets older out of necessity and Wuya starts coming on to him. And he doesn't know how to react cuz she's still just a nagging hag to him.
I prefer the reverse. Wuya notices him maturing. Jack always was attracted to her from the start. He becomes more stern and serious. Yet still Jackish. Wuya likes when he stands up for himself.
It'd be more of a Wuya sees him as an equal, or partner.
Not too different. I see Jack as "attracted" but also he's close enough to her that it's weird. It's like having a super hot aunt or something. You know factually she's hot but you might not think of her like that.
Jack put her in a cheerleader outfit. There’s no way he doesn’t want her. She’s more like a nagging wife.
I mean yeah. There's a difference between finding someone hot and wanting to frick them. Like Jack would have fricked Wuya if she had no personality like his Wuyabot. She's hot in a vacuum when she's not nagging him. Its the nagging that makes him not really think of her as an option. On some base level hed love to smash but Wuya sucks so he doesn't pursue it.
>Jack would have fricked Wuya if she had no personality
Nah, he just wants to dominate her. He still hangs around her even after she got her body back. Jack wants to be a real evil villain. A true threat.
This, she's hot but the current power balance is too much of a turn off.
Knowing Jack he'd want to be the kinda guy who could be super dominant and sadistic with a girl but in reality he would probably just want to be comforted and coddled. Like he'd talk a big game and shove you around but he just wants to be hugged and told he's doing a good job.
Jack wants a “mommy”. It’s most likely why he stuck with Wuya. She constantly nags him, and she also helps him mature. He was coddled. Wuya is more aloof when she has her power. Genuinely, if Rai and Jack swapped places, Jack would have loved full power Wuya. She gives him whatever he asks, she comes around when she feels like (so he can work on his bots), and she’s affectionate when needed. He would of had an all powerful sugar momma willing to share her control.
Yeah! Basically what I was trying to say without saying it. I don't even think it'd be a dom/sub thing. Jack's just the kinda guy that likes to be pampered and taken care of. The only reason he doesnt pursue Wuya is cuz she treats him like garbage.? If she treated Jack like Rai the world really would have ended. Unless he got greedy or something.
If Jack was competent she’d be all over him. Shame there’s no fanfiction.
It is odd that there are barely any stories about the two of them.
No fricking taste is what it is.
>Jack, if this going to happen you're going to have to promise to not shriek like a girl.
>Wuya we both know I can't promise that.
It writes itself.
I don't find it odd. He's a tumblr sexyman.
And she's a Cinemaphile sexywoman. Their love is forbidden.
They’re canon is Chronicles
Yes. He was the low key real protagonist. Yellow kid was a gay.
Omi had his moments
Omi had the potential to become someone like Tai Lung
but didn't, so good for him
how so?
>best student with giant ego sees someone else get the lead role and flips out from pride
I remember thinking it was pretty cool. Raymundo had the most character development, and Omi was a prideful little shit.
Speaking of Xiaolin Showdown, what the frick was up with that character in the second series that was just like Omi but with glasses? Was that supposed to be a joke about all Asians looking alike? Wasn't he the wood element guy, but there wasn't any metal person, even though Jack was the perfect candidate?
>Omi was a prideful little shit
he was basically the only student at the school before they shipped in a bunch of diversity kids from the inner city
who could blame him for being prideful
The way you described the rest of the monks made me kek
I hate that he learns to be less prideful and to appreciate the talents of his peers, and friends. But the next episode it's erased. You could say it plays into why he's too immature to be picked to be the ultimate warrior, but there are other ways to show that.
He was French and added because they wanted a French character since the French made Chronicles and yes, he was the wood element guy.
Maybe it's cause I only watched the early seasons but I never got the impression Omi had an ego or that Rai was kind. From what I saw Omi was just a silly little goofball and Rai was a huge jerkwad all the time for no reason
Omi basically bullied Rai because he didn't get the shaolin rank
he treat him as lesser because of it
i mean Rai deserved it because he also made fun of Omi but Omi should known better. His ego is as big as his head
Omi always acts like he's better than everyone else and tries to do things on his own a lot, but this is because of his lack of social skills and spending his whole life training. Raimundo started out as a bit of a bully and mellowed out, but can be a bit of a lazy butthole and still be as brash as Omi.
Lazy butthole outside of battle. He can rival Omi in skills when push comes to shove.
Yeah, sure, why not
Omi is funny. There I said it.
.. because he'a a joke.
>Jack used the Changing Chopsticks to take mcguffins without initiating a Xiaolin Showdown
>he used deception
>helped Wuya but she betrayed him
>aftermath is he dumps Wuya and makes a sexy Wuyabot that can also track shen gon wu
>Wuya tries to find replacements, like Katnappe, but fails
>Randomly Jack is back with Wuya in one episode with no explain action as if nothing happened
I rather he stayed separate from Wuya or at least have the show explain why theyre back together.
On the topic of Wuya replacements, this guy was an anomaly they never bothered having Jack use as a replacement, but still has an odd presence
>only had one major role
>never explained why he decided to help Jack and Wuya with Jack talking about killing all mimes when they first meet
>his only other notable role is showing up in the future episode after being defeated in Jack's colesium visably not aged a single day in 80 years
>never used in any teams Jack forms
>makes multiple background cameos across the series with other villains
>is a popular character to fans
He thought jack was a fellow mime because of his pale skin and decided to help him out, he didn't hear that "vaporize all mimes" bit because mimes are universally deaf, as everyone knows.
That makes sense
Should he have joined up? Lightning, as common as it would be, would've been cool.
No because then Jack would be able to win more showdowns with a single word.
Jesus.
Seemed obvious. He’s attracted to her.
The idea that there should be a leader really fricking confused me because they operated generally well as a team with insight and input from every member. Him getting a new level of advancement to Shoku? Fine. Raymundo getting acknowledged to be the best of the four then getting singled out by enemies in future episodes that either show his growth to handle it, or show why he still needs his team despite it? Fine.
But what could they possibly gain by removing the interplay between the characters in decision making? There's only three ways that goes: 1. Nothing changes. 2. Raymundo is appreciated for his decisions, or 3. He is, or is accused of abusing his 1v3 authority.
The show doesnt make a big deal out of it, but the Shaolin Monks always have a defacto leader. Master Fung in the present, Grand Master Dashi thousands of years ago.
It was probably something done for in a way of "if Fung kicks the bucket here's who will lead from now on"
Fung looks 2 generations away from death before accounting for mystic kungfrickery. But sure enemies and all that... still it seemed like kind of a weird conclusion. I mean Chronicles does nothing with it since all the other Dragons reach Shoku and Raymundo talks way less than Omi.
With all the communication issues in production, changes, retcons, and unexplained events inbetween the shows, Chronicles is its own canon.
... What about Guan?
Master Monk Guan is a punk ass b***h in every single version of reality.
>complained he couldn't fight anymore without his staff
>apparently had a whole room of them
True.
Guan founded his own temple.
This year it's the 20th anniversary of the show.
I don't think Jack being a monk could have worked, he works best as an antagonist; he did make a wu detector so instead of being the dragon of metal, he could learn to fix and create new sheng go wu, selling them and thus representing bigger problems for both sides.
Adding to that, he keeps releasing evil entities as he keeps looking for friends.
>he keeps releasing evil entities as he keeps looking for friends
That is a good reason he could have joined the monks. Omi was his only real friend even if he wouldn't admit that.
I meant that as in he's causing more problems for everybody else. He doesn't have to be a threat or intentionally put the monks in danger, I see him more as staying in the showdowns due to an genuinely interest in the wu and not having anyone to talk to
Would Hannibal just be a stud or a special piece?
>he works best as an antagonist
Jack became a meme in universe by the time the show ended he wasn't a threat anymore outside of Time Shenanigans.
I dunno even in season 3 he managed to get a W every now and again. I still think my favorite is Jack Spicer refused to release Hannibal Bean. It show's that he's actually smart and not nearly as insecure as and stupid as the monks thought.
Also him capturing Chase in the sphere of Yun is just a great episode.
That sphere of yun episode was in season 2.
Shit you're right. Honestly now that I think about it, it's not that Jack is that much of a joke in season 3. It's that there's just...literally not all that much of season 3. There's like half as many episodes as season 2.
Season 1 and 3 are the same length and he's much more of a joke in 3 than 1.
How can Wuya sense the shen gong wu if they were created to counter her? Why did Dashi die when Master Monk Guan is still alive and Dashi had magical abilities?
I like to imagine that somehow Dashi's death is partly Dojo's fault.
Could that be why something as destructive as the Sapphire Dragon was created? The episode where Dojo started destroying things when an extreme urge sets in to collect shen gong wu for 24 hours says it happens every 1500 years and the shen gong wu were created 1500 years before that episode. What if Dojo killed Dashi during the rampage and the Sapphire Dragon was created to counter Dojo when that happens? That could also be the reason its weakness is soot. Dashi could have planned for Dojo to be fighting it the whole day until time was almost up and he could no longer breathe fire covering it in soot. The reason Dojo didn't remember to do that is because at the end of the episode where he goes on the rampage, he forgets everything he did. Dashi could have left a note telling Dojo to hide it in a volcano for when it was all over.
>Wuya! The years have not been kind
Literally what did he mean by this!?
Dashi is Chad as frick
Damn I can't believe this is still up after so long.
JERK
He though she was hotter as a ghost.
Your thread has been Jacked
>Jack has more mentions this thread than Raimundo or Omi
I kneel to the true protagonist.
It's not really a question of did he deserve it, more like, why did the show want Rai to be the mc so bad?
I wish Jack didn't get flanderized in later episodes, they leaned way too hard into the idiot angle. He's definitely the best character.
Easiest for most kids watching teh show to relate to due to having a more standard upbringing than the rest.
Wuya has prehensile hair.
Everywhere?
I only saw the hair on her head move. But she was pissed in her human form.
Imagine Wuya forcing Jack to scream into her pussy by folding his head there with prehensile pubes.
This makes me want to do something with Wuya and Jack now.
I didn't need to read that.
How the hell did Kimiko get in Ms co?
Funny it was her first year being nominated too and got in at 34th seed with Wuya just 8 above her. I wonder what happened to give Xiaolin Showdown such an edge this year. Years of Wuya buildup?
No, they don't give oscars for daytime tv.
Did Raimundo have any good panic attack scenes?
Hmm, perhaps I'll be a homosexual and leave this here. It's a crossover with horse show that is messy yet possibly good.
The weird prose is due to being converted from green text.
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/391653/jack-spicers-quest-to-conquer-equestria
Cold.
I always wondered why when Wuya first got her body back and went on her world conquest spree that we never saw any pushback from any nations' militaries. Would've been interesting to see the full power of Heylin magic absolutely obliterating modern tech without much effort.
It would have been cool to see, but we do hear about some pushback. She tells one of her rock minions to tell the Prime Minister of some nation to surrender or be destroyed. It's probably not shown for potentially being too costly to animate and not adding anything to the plot.
Absolutely
Would you watch it?
No because Jack would have more comedic material to work with with Tubbimura.
Or get all 3 and you can do kind of a 3 stooges kinda thing.
Would he do this?
>acts like he is evil
>is really the hero the whole time
He made the Wuyabot, didnt he
>Hmm, perhaps I'll be a homosexual and leave this here. It's a crossover with horse sh-
omi was fricking ROBBED