Did Syndrome only kill heroes who were so desperate to return to being heroes they chose to come to his isolated island for a shady gig?
If they said no, I don’t recall him killing them at home or in the street. Their corpses were all on the island. So literally all the heroes he asked agreed to come?
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Probably
if they declined he can just kidnap someone
they're public figures
they all agreed to help stop what they think is a rogue government robot
he had a database on every superhero known, so he likely convinced each one in a different way
>"If you kill this robot for me, you can have a rough one with Mirage"
Learned his lesson on that one - Mirage sabotaged the robot
Thinly veiled "Syndrome did nothing wrong" shitpost thread.
We don’t know if he killed them all on the island, but it is likely as he was using them to test his death bot.
We saw Frozone teaming up with Mr Incredible to listen in on police radios and help even though they weren't supposed to. It isn't hard to believe that most heroes were still pining for the glory days.
This shit is like asking if the inbred cannibals in a killer hillbilly movie aren't so bad because the people that happened to go canoeing in their woods were basically asking for it
>food analogy
*banjos playing in the background*
Why didn't the CIA notice that someone was systematically killing all the superheroes?
Why would they get involved? Someone is taking care of a problem for them.
What would really tip them off?
Alternatively Syndrome could have probably paid off a few of the lower level people to fudge records and not report certain associated movements of supers
Syndrome was working for the CIA.
>I made my money selling weapons!!!
Buddy, who do you think was funding him.
My name is not Buddy!
They did. But dead superheroes are superheroes who can't interfere with the glowBlack folk.
>Be glowie keeping tabs on supers
>A bunch of them disappear
>Investigate because this is the sorta-1960s and you want to make sure the Soviets aren't recruiting them
>Find out it's just a defense contractor playing murder games on his private island
>File away for later blackmail and move on to something more important.
They had a lot of involvement with Bob because he couldn't give up the hero life at all.
You'd assume others were more successful at it, even able to subtly use their powers to hold down a good job. Bob could have made a fortune as a stunt-man, rather than doing cubicle shit, assuming he didn't have the acting chops to be a star who did his own stunts ala Cruise.
Working in insurance was likely a government-mandated employment because Bob kept fricking up and giving himself away on other jobs. They had to put him in a place where they figured even he couldn't cause problems due to his inability to adjust.
Never made any sense that they wouldn't give the heroes something to do that utilized their powers. I mean you don't send supers to fight other supers if they can't keep collateral damage to a minimum, but no reason Frozone couldn't have a job as a fire fighter or working in any area where rapid cooling would be useful or Mr. and Mrs. Incredible to hold jobs as first responders. Supers existing was never the problem so much as needing oversight and accountability that didn't amount to "sue a hero for damages only for them to be broke as shit."
Shit, if these people really can't do anything without the performance angle, let them duke it out where no one would get hurt and play pro wrestling with it.
Still boggles my mind that hardly anyone creates a 3 letter agency in their universe whose job is to approach super villains committing crimes and negotiate with them to find out what it is they REALLY want and work out a non-violent solution, and if they're intransigent to bring the full power of their agency in to put the frickers six feet under.
They most likely did, but Bob is such a glory-chasing frick-up that he can't keep it professional and so he exposes his powers to the wrong people, which means Dicker has to play clean-up and move him to worse and worse jobs just to keep him out of trouble.
If Bob is a glory hound, giving him increasingly pedantic jobs is only going to make things worse. Sit him down, ask if his ego is more important than helping people, point out the damage and harm he causes outweighs the people he is helping, and come up with something Bob can do which satisfies his hero fetish while minimizing harm.
That's the problem. He CAN'T make it not about him. If he can't play by the rules, then he doesn't get to do what he wants.
So Bob is both such a glory hound he can’t do first responder work without putting on a show, but he’s so compliant he’ll work a soul sucking desk job anonymously?
Bob feels it's his Purpose to defend the weak.
He only just barely survives at wage-slaving because he can do superhuman stuff after-hours.
Yes. You punish a misbehaving dog long enough and even he will learn his place.
le edge
The main issue with Supers is what it does psychologically to the other 99.9999999% of the world. Feelings of inadequacy, or cult-worship.
And most of the villains were just guys with technology, rebelling against heroes.
If we can deal with billionaires and trust fund babies and Saudi princes putting on shows of how fricking rich they are, we can handle a guy who can lift a train car.
Riches are attainable; even if distantly. Hence why lotteries exist. You can even just get lucky and get a billion or two.
Plus American culture makes the super-wealthy innately virtuous.
Powers can be technology based, and it’s sure fricking easier for a dude to make a funny science gun in his garage than it is to become a billionaire. That’s why they make funny science guns and rob banks, because one was vastly easier than the other.
Superheroing is inherently more dangerous than super-villainy. The villain gets to choose the time and place, and prepare far far in advance. The hero has to emergency respond to wherever and deal with traps, civilian bystanders, collateral damage. There is a notable level of lethal attrition even before Syndrome, going out with a ray-gun or vulture wings will just get you killed. Just another reason Bob rejects Incredi-boy, he doesn't want him getting Jason'd right off the bat.
Syndrome: Jealous of Supers
Underminer: feelings of inferiority
Screenslaver: resentment towards Supers
Bomb Voyage is just a thief with bombs, he's the least compromised by the existence of Superhumans, but every villain in the shows is a human compensating with technology.
Because the point of the movie was to display how incredibly bland and boring/unfulfilling Bob's life was. So it was an obvious choice to pick a really boring office job in a tiny cubicle in a soul sucking industry to display how much he hated his life.
>Supers existing was never the problem so much as needing oversight and accountability that didn't amount to "sue a hero for damages only for them to be broke as shit."
And that butthole would have sued a normal firefighter for stopping his suicide too. The setup has to many holes.
If Bob was an actual firefighter, he'd have fallen under qualified immunity and had government and union lawyers to back him up. Even not being a government employee, he may have been covered under good samaritan laws which are enacted to prevent people from suing those who help them in an emergency. Even assuming he is potentially liable, who the frick is going to find in favor of the injured guy who was injured in his own suicide attempt?
It wasn't a plot to kill all the Superheroes.
It was a plot to develop a robot so powerful no superhero could stop it (that he could).
It would frick his whole plan to become famous and popular and distribute heroism if some hero came out of retirement and whooped his robot.
This
There's a reason he reached out to Mr. Incredible for the very last iteration of the robot. Mr. Incredible was his hero so he was thought of as the greatest of all the supers and the final challenge for the project before it was implemented
Isn’t this false in universe though? There were plenty of heroes theoretically more powerful than him (if not as well rounded)
Gamma Jack was a pretty strong contender but the Omni Droid killed him
https://the-incredibles.fandom.com/wiki/Gamma_Jack
>superior race
Oh God, he was a super supremacist.
This guy sounds like Magneto ready to happen, but ultimately he must have put up with the superhero act if he was willing to be undercover long enough for the Omnidroid to kill him
He was probably fricking groupies and telling people in passing he was Gamma Jack, a lot of NSA people probably tended to making this dipshit happy.
https://the-incredibles.fandom.com/wiki/Universal_Man
This guy should fit the bill but somehow the Omni-Droid's first iteration killed him.
Here's all his powers.
>Molecular Density Manipulation: Universal Man has the super-ability to alter the molecular density of his body.
>Flight: Universal Man can achieve flight by transforming his molecular density into a gaseous substance that is lighter than air.
>Intangibility: Universal Man can achieve intangibility by transforming his molecular density into an atomic substance that allows him to phase through solid matter.
>Invisibility: Universal Man can achieve invisibility by transforming his molecular density.
>Molecular Combustion: Universal Man exhibits a psionic influence over the pressure and speed of molecules to the point of combustion. In LEGO the Incredibles, he is able to hurl molecular waves of explosive energy at others.
>Superhuman Durability: Universal Man can manipulate the molecular density of his body to the point where he is more or less invincible and impossible to harm or injure.
>Superhuman Strength: Universal Man can attain superhuman strength by increasing the molecular density of his body.
What I assume happened was it must have fricked him up mid transition between forms like he switched to flight and it ripped him in half.
Also their files too
>beta force
>low self esteem
With all those powers, odds are indecisiveness is what got him killed.
Wait, no, I'm thinking of a different hero. Meta-Man, I believe it was. Can't delete posts anymore, and it's not even past the 5-minute window.
Meta Man sounds like a psychic pretending to be a flying brick. It's the only way to explain being as strong as Bob but having no special durability. He is just telekinetically lifting heavy things and flying.
I know one of those heroes had, like, every superpower conceivable but was mentioned as indecisiveness being his main weakness. I just can't recall the name.
Meta Man as mentioned.
Ah, so I did have it right.
Heh... all that power and he gets undone by a cape snag. No wonder Edna's against them.
It's also an easy way to describe Jack Jack. He is just one of those high level psychic powered mutants that just screws with reality.
His flight power doesn't sound like the conventional Superman flight that we know. "Gaseous substance" implies that he turns helium-like and floats like a genie instead. Depending on how that works, I could see him getting dispersed easily by getting sucked into a fan, which coincidentally is what Omni-Droid claws can do.
https://the-incredibles.fandom.com/wiki/Apogee
Literal Gravity powers but killed by the fourth version of the Omni-Droid
I'm noting a reoccurring theme, it seems that Mr. Incredible had simply the best combo of abilities with no glaring weaknesses
>Gamma Jack has high damage but low durability
>Universal Man can't do everything at once
>Apogee can be waited out either by clouds or nightfall
Literally Mr Incredible just has his strength and high durability without having any actual weakness to his physicality beyond his familial bonds giving him an emotional weakness
It's something I really liked about the Incredibles universe; Mr Incredible seems to be one of only two superheroes in the world that could tank a bullet, and the other guy has to be prepared for it. Sure, Violet has her shields and Frozone can freeze one out of the air, but as a whole, it's a world of superheroes that are all very fragile. Just look at how many died from outfit malfunctions. I could totally believe that they could lose a fight to just a big robot.
Also a lot of supers seem to have sonic scream as their main power. Majority of them shoot energy from their hands. Only a handfull are physical brawling types.
something else I didn't know based on the film was that apparently Mr Incredible has something close to a Spider-Sense so the precog ontop of everything else must make him a bastard to kill. No wonder Syndrome rated him so highly.
As other people are saying Mr Incredible was probably the hardest to kill if not the most offensively potent, but on top of that Syndrome himself thinks of Mr Incredible as the greatest ever because he's a huge mark for him even after becoming a villain.
So he'd save him for last either way.
Seems like only Bob and Helen were capable of taking a hit by a robot and surviving it. Everyone else was a squishy human that could shoot energy out of their hands or something. Almost no bricks or flying bricks present in that universe.
There were no fricking heroes stronger than him! Go away moron! You making shit up.
Well, that and he discovered Bob last. He probably would have gotten him on board with the V2, or 3 if he knew
You need to rewatch the movie. The only corpse we ever see was Gaserbeam. And yes obviously they all said yes.
Was syndrome written by someone with Down syndrome? Mr incredible was a little mean to him once and now that justifies him murdering people. Such great writing.
I should remind you there was an artist who got fed razorblade cookies and hounded into attempted suicide for drawing a cartoon character slightly thinner than canon depiction.
>justifies
You're actually moronic if you think the story was doing that
>they chose to come to his isolated island for a shady gig?
They're superheroes, isolated islands overrun by shady out of sight organizations is their expertise.
It's clear that the premise sold to all of them is that this is something the world governments can't handle on their own, which is the reason supes were needed in the first place.
It's honestly kind of a thing I wish was explored more in the movie (or even the sequel) - the implications of the existence of supervillains after heroes were made illegal.
I mean, it's not like supervillains really cared much about the law right?
How did the government handle them after there were no heroes left to stop them?
So why did the villians agree to retirement in the opening?
Doesn't Syndrome prove the massive plothole? That lawsuits wouldn't push superhero's into retirement because they would still need to check the suoervillians?
Supervillains were dealt with the old fashioned way. Through massive civilian casualties.
I feel like I'm missing the joke
That they just preferred to have supervillains either get away with their plans or kill them in ways that would get a lot of people killed
So instead of sending Mr Incredible to smash Tex Tuthor's Death Ray you drop a non-nuclear ballistic missile and wipe out 2/3rds of Salt Lake City as collateral damage.
For what it's worth in just the movies there don't seem to be very impressive super villains from the Golden Age. Bomb Voyage doesn't appear to *have* any powers, just a bunch of explosives and a mime outfit. In the comics there were some really dangerous ones though.
That still doesn't explain why superheroes or the government would accept the opening setup. They main characters act as literally vigilantes in the film.
Syndrome's plan wasn't to kill all Supers, it was to make everyone super. I think he only killed the ones he hated the most.
Killing them was incidental. He was making sure his robot was strong enough to beat all other Supers and then he would show up and turn it off to 'save' the day.
He was making sure he'd be the only one able to stop the droid in the long run, it wasn't about killing super heroes.
>He was making sure he'd be the only one able to stop the droid in the long run,
But he didn't
He didn't figure on a legit super-team showing up and coordinating against it, he was psychologically compromised against team-ups.
He assumed 1 or 2 randos like Frozone might show up to battle the droid, before he swept in to neutralize it.
The robot defeated him before the supers showed up, and was unconsious their entire fight. He wasn't going to beat it. To beat it, it didn't need to be a fricking super computer. Admit the writers tried to sneak past this half baked idea past the audience. Describe the scenario that was supposed to happen.
The robot beat him without the supers involved.
That's the traditional comic problem with building your own death-bot and giving it advanced AI.
Classic superhero trope. It figured out how to break it's chain.
My point was the plan makes no sense.
You don't need to train a death robot on actual supers, to fake a heroic reveal, you use a script.
Sure kill off the old ones so you can hog the glory, just don't use that same deathbot. It's silly. At that reveal in the movie I could not take it seriously anymore. I don't how people rank this movie so highly. It's got character, but the plot has huge holes.
The point was to both
A) eliminate the supers from the equation by exterminating most of the powerful ones
B) Using the Omni-Droid then for a follow-up to both allow his super murdering tool to jerk himself off in an egotistical way by allowing himself to use his super murdering robot to be the tool of his supremacy and in a way make him superior to all the supers the omnidroid killed
He's a supervillain Anon, he needs the limelight.
Ok, my point is the second part is silly.
You don't face a murderbot that has killed like 30 real supers, you face a puppet.
Syndrome wasn't killing in cold blood. If a super didn't act against him I don't think he'd just kill them for being a super hero.
You get the strong sense deep down that Syndrome didn't want to kill Mr Incredible.
They probably all wanted to go be cool and famous again by punching bad guys in a costume.
Also he paid them a lot to go there and fight his robot.
Syndrome thing was born because he was a jealous fanboy
>becomes the smartest guy in the world
>moved to improve himself just because he's fricking petty
The endgame wasn't to make everyone super, he just wanted the spotlight for himself. Becoming like Incredible was at his peak
"Syndrome does have a superpower and it's super-intelligence" is a common fan theory for a reason, and that reason is the delicious irony of it all.
Intelligence is not wisdom, or mental/emotional stability
A large number of the villains in this setting are mad scientists, due to the era of comics it's based on, when superpowered villains were less common
It's such a brilliant theory that I'm not sure if I'm mad or not that Syndrome doesn't directly get called out on it.
How old were you when you realized she's not checking herself out in this scene, she's just unhappy about how big her ass is?
>unhappy about how big her ass is?
Does not compute.
Wouldn't her ass size be for her husbands approval?