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thats a horse pussy
Horse pussy is way more beautiful than that
is that a mouth or a nose or?
Why not both?
it houses a proboscis the creature uses to penetrate cerebrums to succ out the knowledge hidden within.
Probably not. It was most likely a propaganda campaign to expand the military industrial complex. Maintaining a space force takes a lot of money.
did the Federation have a tax policy?
So you spend more money on a war??
Are you slow?
The Earth Federation wanted to expand into bug space. Planets rich in ore, rare metals, etc. Empires must expand.
Did you see how fricking far away it was
The average joe probably isn't aware of how big a galaxy is.
Yeah, that's my territory, frick off.
Cant tell if this is bait or not
Its Cinemaphile its either a teen too moronic to know better a /misc/tard too moronic to know a fascist state wouldn’t except him.
Not in war, but in the industrial military complex. Why do you think America is in a war every decade? Eisenhower tried to warn them and they didn't listen. Literally the last good president on american history
Proofs?
How many successful empires from history didn't expand? Empires move outward and occupy, conquer, and annex. More people to tax, more land to colonize, more resources to continue expanding the empire.
How the frick did the bugs launch an asteroid to accurately hit Earth that's several galaxies away? They're just bugs. They don't have computers and satellites to help them aim and predict where Earth will be when the asteroid comes.
Notice how almost immediately after the asteroid, a world wide announcement said the bugs did it. The timing is a little too good. And how come Earth didn't notice a big asteroid coming?
science doesn't require computers
Watching the movie, and how the “bug attacks” are never shown outside of digital simulations and you only see the after effects. It literally goes out of its way to not show you. And the teacher’s speech about fascism being good and the humans celebrating a defenseless creature being afraid a should’ve tipped you off that we’re not the good guys.
This. Humans seek dominance by nature. We even kill our fellows to aquire more for ourselves. Our race would likely be a terrible scourge upon other forms of life in space.
That’s honestly what I took from the movie. But the twist is that the human invaders aren’t mustache twirling monsters like in crap like Avatar. Rico genuinely believes in what he’s doing. He trusts the information he’s been given and thinks he’s saving mankind. We see everything from his point of view, and if you lived in that world you wouldn’t see any of the clues you catch as an audience member. That’s a LOT more realistic than most movies about humans being the villains.
And that's the fine point of it. When lots of people follow instinct and intuitive reason, the better parts of our awareness become mute. Reason, ethics, etc. We dominate. We kill. That makes us very, very dangerous.
Man shut the frick up. life itself is dangerous and danger is intrinsic to being alive. By the very nature of being alive you are distinct from, run the risk of being subdued by, death.
>le violent humans
As opposed to what? Non violent humans? What would make non violent humans better? You are a human using human reasoning to attack human reasoning! Absurd!
Life denying troon behavior.
>but what about who hit first
What garners moral primacy?
Who hit first ok then explain why? Explain how it’s not just your specific time and place that makes you say this, explain how it’s not your personality, how it’s not what you had for dinner, fatties are less aggressive by nature, women are less aggressive by nature, children are less aggressive by nature, these have moral primacy over more capable more intelligent healthier young men?
Where does the moral gravity lay and why do you think it’s with weakness and not say righteousness independent of physical ability or lack.
All animals kill each other. All LIFE kills to survive. We're just better at it.
LIFE EATS LIFE
All creatures seek the power process and to live well according to their nature.
This is not “dominance” you bizarre fetishist. The Humans do not need to justify themselves morally to expand over the bugs. The bugs have no innate moral primary.
Peace and non violence has no innate moral primacy.
You have been fed the noble lie by a hostile and aggressive peace which has sedated you.
You are unable to parse out moral dimensions and you fail to grasp that peace and conflict are both tools that can be and are to be used to live best according to your nature. Neither have any innate moral value.
I don’t blame Christianity but Christians were on watch when ZOG took over and distorted/diminished the self confidence and moral strength of Christendom.
There is no justification required for war against the bugs other than “we want to”. It’s bizarre that in such a militant society they still appeal to liberal post modern explanations of “just war” theory.
Stupid film and stupid movie. Imagine Brennus, Hardrada, or Clovis watching this slop.
But they are the good guys. Nothing Ironsides said was wrong, and the society of SST isn't portrayed negatively at all, it's a post-racist, post-sexist, post-classist society where the only distinction is whether or not you've done public service and thus get to vote or not.
If you showed this to 99% of people they'd say "yeah this is a good idea we should do it" because it IS a good idea and we SHOULD do it.
>indoctrinating children in schools to glorify violence and military might
>Literally a military dictatorship. There are elections but only soldiers are allowed to vote
>Presumed murderer is arrested, convicted and executed on live television all on the same day
>"the military made me the man I'm today" says the double amputee
>everyone that disagrees with the mainstream narrative that bugs are a brainless menace that needs to be terminated gets silenced and ridiculed
>literal child soldiers in the opening scene
>disregard for human life "do you want to live forever?"
>throwing human waves into the meat grinder
>cruel and barbaric punishments
>media sensationalism showing extreme gore
>involved in a forever war
How is this utopian? Did you even watch the movie or do you just have media literacy at all?
, you just stuck your dick in a blender.
Here come the people to educate you on the difference a tard diector's opinion with his movie version of a book that he read the back cover of and then got almost everything wrong and shockingly right to come out with a parody of fascism in his attempts to attack a book that was fairly middle of the road politics.
>this isn't utopia! I'm not being coddled constantly in my gay space automated communism! they were mean to a murderer and made people watch!
It's a society that, at its core, is deeply honest with itself about human nature and societal needs. You are deeply dishonest about those topics if you recoil at the thought of public execution and teaching highschoolers to understand force and violence
>Verification not required.
>It's a society that, at its core, is deeply honest with itself
>nukes their own people to continue Orwellian war is peace principles
That is never proven or even implied in any way please keep your fantasies to yourself
child soldiers in the opening scene
When the frick did that happen?
Are you talking about the recruitment ad that was clearly satirical?
The only thing holding me back from dying in glorious battle fighting in the forever wars is the love my mother has for me, but in this society my entire family and community would support me in that endeavor. Sounds like a utopia to me!
>There are elections but only soldiers are allowed to vote
It's only those who complete public service. Doesn't have to be military. And you can be rich and live perfectly well without being a citizen, case in point being Rico and his own parents.
Let's go down the list queer.
>indoctrinating children in schools to glorify violence and military might
Based.
>Literally a military dictatorship. There are elections but only soldiers are allowed to vote
Wrong. Citizens are those who served the public, it is not just soldiers. However, it should be because military dictatorships are based.
>Presumed murderer is arrested, convicted and executed on live television all on the same day
Based.
>"the military made me the man I'm today" says the double amputee
Exactly the sort of thing a double amputee vet would say lol.
>everyone that disagrees with the mainstream narrative that bugs are a brainless menace that needs to be terminated gets silenced and ridiculed
Yes, if someone disagreed that giant fricking spider aliens existing in the same universe as me is a problem, I would ridicule them too.
>literal child soldiers in the opening scene
It's a kid dressed as a soldier in a literal commercial and everyone laughs dipshit.
>disregard for human life "do you want to live forever?"
Jesus Christ, it's the fricking Marines dude.
>throwing human waves into the meat grinder
Yeah they should drone strike brown people at funerals instead. Frick off it's war.
>cruel and barbaric punishments
Based.
>media sensationalism showing extreme gore
Based.
>involved in a forever war
No that's the other book, they fricking win this one.
children in schools to glorify violence and military might
>Based.
Anyone wanna bet on how brown this guy is?
No one cares if we’re the good guys. What matters is that we win. Couldn’t care less if we’re genociding children, all our enemies deserve death. I will not be subservient to another species.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE BRAIN SUCKING HIVEMIND BUGS WITH MILLIONS OF SOLDIER BUGS AND BUILDING SIZED SURFACE TO SPACE ARTILLERY BUGS AND THEIR BRAIN SUCKING LEADERS WERE ALL GOOD BOYS THEY DINDU NUFFIN THEY WOULDN'T HURT A FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
get real
They celebrate it being afraid because that means humans are winning, not just because they’re happy another creature is afraid of them. Christ what a dimwitted interpretation.
>Defenceless
It has a giant straw it uses to suck out brains and a literal army of warriors
>Bug attacks are never shown
Did you even watch the movie?
>And the teacher’s speech about fascism being good
That wasn't what that scene was about at all.
The point was that all change comes through some form of violence, even voting is a form of violence because if you don't comply with the voted upon laws there is the implicit threat of violence.
Also the federation isn't fascist it's liberal.
Fascism?
Bush did Buenos Aires.
>Did the Bugs start the war?
Of course they did! What kind of a stupid question is that? BTW I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL 'EM ALL!
it was a skinnie inside job
but they were being mind controlled by the bugs!
It's too bad they wrote the skinnies out of the screenplay.
The Solar system is not that that on the side.
Your implied point still stands.
1 out 4 for stars have planets? And our star has 9 planets all to itself? wow
I posted that because it irks me that even WH40k had a better positioning of Terra compared to that map above.
eight planets
Eris is a planet.
dwarf planets don't count, anon
Even most astronomers agree that the people who decided Pluto and Eris weren’t planets were morons and that the methods they used to come to that conclusion were bunk that should, theoretically, also disqualify fricking Earth as a planet. Even the method deciding that Ceres was a planet (as well as Pluto and Eris) had more logical consistency.
It wouldn't disqualify earth. It's not like people said Pluto and those other objects don't exist. They just don't work the same way a planet does.
Literally none of that is true
There are either eight planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus)
Or there are hundreds (all the ones I listed plus every Scattered Disc and TNO down to an arbitrary size limit)
Stop getting your information from reddit
>a planet is anything orbiting a star that is large enough to be drawn in to a roughly spherical shape due to its own gravity
>arbitrary
>a planet is anything orbiting a star that is large enough to be drawn in to a roughly spherical shape due to its own gravity and has "cleared its orbit of debris" (whatever the frick that means, it's never defined, and if it means no or not many[again, how many is never defined] space rocks then fricking Jupiter isn't a planet because there are massive asteroid swarms in its lagrange points)
>not arbitrary
you've been watching too much tik tok. get off of the algorithm and start reading peer reviewed literature if you actually want to be informed
>Even most astronomers agree
[citation needed]
>Even most astronomers agree
Yeah, maybe they should have spoke up at the international conference that decided Pluto wasn't a planet.
That 'international conference' was dominated by a few soience popularizers like black science man who unilaterally decided to apply a completely arbitrary condition to planethood on the basis that they didn't want schools to have to update textbooks on the number of planets every time a new dwarf planet was discovered (the idea that they could just say all the unnamed ones out in the kuiper belt aren't important never occurred to them I guess)
It was an important exercise in showing the power of re-definition to suit an agenda other than truth. Something that would be used very liberally in the days ahead.
Who gives a shit about something pedantic about whether some object is a "planet" or a "space turd" or "my left nut"?
Actual scientists like Elon Musk are building spaceships to make us a badass interplanetary species conquering the secrets of the universe while you midwits are debating the most reddit topic possible like moronic sophists debating gay ass philosophy 2000 years ago in their version of reddit. It's like giving a shit about spelling and grammar...there is simply more to life, a lot more. I implore you to start over with higher IQ genetics next reset.
Can we call them Planlets instead?
We don't really know how many planets other stars have on average. Observing an exoplanet is very hard, and due to our position relative to them many are practically invisible to us.
We aren't even sure how many planets our own system has ( I mean real, large planets not the Pluto debate)
How many are we up to now?
aliens just laughing at us for not even having space travel yet
>you are here
I hate sciencehomosexuals so fricking much.
For all we know the milky way looks like an egg and we're on the upper tip. It's like saying you are this drop of water while swimming in the middle of the ocean at a random depth.
How long would it take for a meteor to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other at the very sub-light speed velocity that the bug plasma can knock the meteorites out of the asteroid belt orbit at Klendathu? And how does the meteor make course adjustments at every gravity well it must surely encounter? In the novel the bugs have ships and they use weapons.
Neckbeards like to say this but there's nothing in the movie that suggests it's got a dishonest narrator.
In the books that the movie was trying (and failed) to mock the bugs definitely started the war
In the book the bugs did start the war but the book also points out that to the average infantryman it’s relatively pointless as to who starts the war or if it’s declared a war or an ‘incident’. If you die you’re dead and that’s all there is to it.
In the books, the 'bugs' are a spacefaring, intelligent species. They're not the same.
how do they travel in space?
With starships dumbass
without troopers? i doubt it, moron.
Basically, the bugs have evolved so that they literally use their biology to accomplish tasks kind of like the Silithid from WH40K. Bugs literally travel inside giant bugs.
>Silithid
Tyranid
Yeah my bad, I'm posting while I'm focusing on something else.
tyranids?
I mean yeah, starship troopers is one of the inspirations for 40k.
they're bugs but their masters are the greys
Are they even meant to be literal giant arachnids/insects in the book? It's kind of sparse on details. The mental image I always had was a basically humanoid creature with insectoid traits like a hard carapace, extra limbs, multiple eyes, etc. Something closer to the District 9 ayys if I had to make a rough comparison.
You have to serve in the army to get citizenship, how much larger can the MIC get?
No, military is one way to citizenship, shortest and most dangerous.
Two years.
However, there are longer six or eight year tours you can get where you are basically custodians, or if you are a brilliant scientist, you work at the expense of the money you would make on the outside, for the rate the government pays you, at government schools.
The idea behind it was so that government service of some sort was done so that the person wanting to later have a say in how the government was ran. You gave up a part of your life to serve others to have a say in that.
The thing about Starship Troopers citizenship is that you don't really need to hold it. Being a citizen makes you eligible to vote and hold office, but being a civilian doesn't mean you're a serf without any rights whatsoever. Both in the book and the movie Rico's parents are well off despite being mere civilians. People don't need to apply for citizenship if they don't want to. This doesn't pose a problem for the Federation in the book, but maybe it does in the movie. So an argument can be made that a falseflag could be necessary to bump up recruitment numbers without resorting to a draft, which would effectively dismantle the Federation's system of governance.
Sounds like something a Skinny would say. F*cking skinnies.
You know, you look kinda.. skinny.
peak demoralized midwit post
Non-citizens cannot have public opinions in this universe, anon.
Report to the nearest commisar for re-education.
They can actually
The only things civilians are barred from are voting and holding public office.
Can I put my penis in it?
"NO"
That's how the war started
No the Federation did. Also capturing the brain bug was a pyrrhic victory at best.
how?
Think about it dumbfrick. They lost an entire fleet, every pair of boots on the ground except like 3 died horribly. They caught one brain bug, mutilated at that. The only thing they could think to do to it is mindlessly torture it. What can it tell them? The last propaganda advertisement shows child soldiers and is trying to normalize it. That's the second entire fleet they lost. Remember it was a big deal in the first half of the movie, they lost hundreds of thousands and the admiral was relieved.
Do you really think the brain bug told them anything to make losing an entire massive space fleet an acceptable loss?
Hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you say...Wow..How many people could even be on Earth in an idealized future, wow man losing hundreds of thousands in a war, mankind has never experience that before..fricking moron
Hahahaha
It's a big deal in universe, they themselves point out the losses at Klendathu were enormous. Suddenly it just doesn't matter.
Are you truly this fricking moronic
>no argument
I accept your concession, further posts I will use as as coded apologies on your behalf for wasting my time.
>The last propaganda advertisement shows child soldiers
I just looked it up and it doesn't lol. That's only in the mid-movie ad and it's a gag in universe. The idea that the 10+ billion earth population after one battle would need to resort to child soldiers is moronic.
>Do you really think the brain bug told them anything to make losing an entire massive space fleet an acceptable loss?
It would be great for executing dissidents
you dont know what pyrrhic means
If that was a Pyrrhic victory then it was only such in the context of that one battle.
It was a massive strategic human victory in the bigger picture of the bug war.
>capturing the brain bug was a pyrrhic victory at best.
Put your Brain Bug on that wall, trooper.
Could've. If they're intelligent, they're violent, same as humans.
Doesn't matter, because they're genetic slime, and we're going to wipe them all out, and the universe itself will thank us.
>Doesn't matter, because they're genetic slime, and we're going to wipe them all out, and the universe itself will thank us.
This
Way more accurate for the direction we are heading in than starship troopers
Audiobook is free on youtube too
>State-mandated homosexuality
Also everyone is brown and speaks in memes. How did he predict that decades ago
because its what criminals, migrants, lowerclass rift raft have always done. language is the core of human society, and when you have groups that split off, fall off, or are oppressed in some manner, the first thing they do is develop their own way of speaking. splitting up people's language is like the first lesson the bible imparts on its readers
>lol humans could rival god so he made them speak different words lmaooo
thats not just some random story. its a political science lesson.
No Black person, everyone develops local slang because when you keep doing the same shit around the same people all the time you make up new ways to say things to stave off utter linguistic repitition and boredom. There is also a built in local meme aspect which ties right in
no homosexual, you're wrong. i am the chosen one. verification not required.
>war kino scenes
>turns out the war wasn’t a conspiracy it was actually just a legitimate misunderstanding and mistake
>people back home aren’t even recognizable to veterans
>everyone is a slightly tan gay clone by authoritarian decree and completely the same
>all the regular people get ‘exiled’ to a paradise world that’s clearly better
What Cinemaphile kino this was.
this was a good book, but the forever peace was more interesting
I really enjoyed this book and feel it's better than Starship Troopers.
agreed but ST is still great
sst was world war 2 retro futurism type flash gordon story with the main character even called "johnny"
the forever war was a cynical story borne from vietname era shit.
>was about vietnam
>direction we are heading in
are you incapable of drawing parallels between historical events and those of the modern day? What is ukraine? What is israel/gaza? Oh, and the indo-pacific. Wow, this is nothing like back then, nothing like vietnam at all
Surely you must realize that a country can destroy itself in a forever war without actually putting boots on the ground
You are a moron.
classic. Really illuminating the subject with your own robust intellectual assessment. I wonder how many more posts it will take before you begin to realize you're actually the moron
Someone made this into a movie recently right? And it was shit?
They outright fricking tell you
The bugs threw a meteor at earth because humans kept encroaching on bug planets
yeah, "they" tell you, now go die for buenos aires
okay, okay...
but the real question is did the government know about the meteor beforehand and allow it to happen?
Obviously, it got past every single defense system and no one was alerted
The best intelligence agency out there missed a planned attack like that? Seems like they let it happen so they could kill and take territory.
Wouldn't it be crazy if stuff like that happens IRL
While obviously bait, the bugs clearly cant be infiltrated by human spies, may not even be bribeable/blackmailable, and they use organic tech that may not even be hackable or interceptible
No. That’s pretty much the point of the movie. The movie is a “good guys fight the evil aliens” story where we’re actually the invaders.
I always thought the “rock” that killed Rico’s parents was secretly a nuke to boost people signing on.
>9/11 brain
A thinking man I see
>You don’t see what the parents look up at
>Theres no footage of the asteroid, it’s shown through simulation only on the news
>The damage looks more like a nuke than something hitting the surface
>Movie earlier talks about how democracy is a failure and power and fear are the ultimate tools
>where we’re actually the invaders
But they're bugs? You can't invade bugs.
so like how the americans present themselves as the heroes of ww2 while letting hundreds of thousands of indigenous women and children get raped to death by african-americans?
what did verhoeven mean by this?
What about the earth defense system? Decided not to work that day?
they didn't have one then
Oh right. That's after the capture of the brain.
did you even watch the movie, kek?
bugs fart at an asteroid and it flys across the galaxy to hit earth
past how many other stars? taking into account how they would alter its path? also how long would that take (even at lightspeed which is a speed matter cannot travel at )?
the humans made it all up, asteriods were a false flag or the writers of this shit are morons.
>also how long would that take (even at lightspeed which is a speed matter cannot travel at )?
light from our sun travels 8 minutes to us. it would take hundreds if not thousands of years to throw a meteor from their system to ours. its obviously a man made disaster to sanctify the invasion and get rid of power bearing naysayers.
wormholes, same way the humans get around lightspeed
That 'asteroid' would have to been launched before humans existed to travel so far. Learn basic maths
by that logic so would the terran invasion of klendathu
no dumbass, humans have hyperspace travel, bugs don't
says who?
lol dummy we see the asteroid appear from a gravity well implied to be a wormhole
It's not the bugs fault you aren't capable of planning for the future.
Bugs either can make or aware of the existence of wormholes/FTL travel
Carmen's ship literally runs into the meteor during travel but can't warn Earth that it is coming because the impact shears off its communications equipment. Try watching the movie sometime instead of regurgitating plebbit takes.
That’s a very small living space for a very big bug
Doesn’t even have a hide
irrelevant. humans are the superior life form and we must impose our will on lesser beings. not even joking here.
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST b***hES
Even if they didn't it was imperative to stop them before they could.
Do you understand?
Yes & I wish to know more
Everything seen in the film says yes, they did. Everything else is just blithe speculation since there's no indication of it at all in the movie.
I guess mormons might've enroached on their territory, that's as close as we got.
> government blaming a peaceful religious group interested in escaping the governments reach and establishing their own colony/state/world/government
Hmmm
the mormons kind of have a track record of fleeing from territories where people object to prepubescent daughter wives, 30 plus wifes, huge familes on a compound, etc. See the mormon compounds in mexico in conflict with local cartel stuff.
tl;dr it's not exactly fictional.
Better question is why would a false flag of that scale be necessary to calcify the resolve of an already unitary human race against a bunch of feral, violent, and patently invasive alien bugs
Paul is a fricking moron. That's why. It's also why you have a "satire" movie that literally depicts the thing it's satirizing as utopian.
Because even in a utopian society (which may not even be true, we only see it from Rico’s POV) we can’t possibly be satisfied. We need war, we need purpose, we need expansion. That’s a massive element to the movie you’re missing, is that Rico has everything awesome and STILL wants to kill another species and “do his part”. That’s mankind at that point, expanding for no real reason and hurting itself just to do it.
The only utopian thing about starship troopers are the coed showers.
Because there’s a reference earlier about how they’re struggling to get recruits. To them, rallying people is about implication of more evil, not propaganda for morale since it was failing.
t. Carl Jenkins
That doesn't make any sense. How is the society a brainwashed hyper-nationalist fascist dictatorship if they're struggling to get recruits?
To create sense of righteousness. Leo Tolstoy in War and Peace, who was an intelligent historian, basically explained that Russia's failings at the start of 19th century were mainly because no one understood what kind of shit Alexander was trying to pull
>Russian Empire is just after victorious Anglo-Russian War
>This fricker says, nah, let's fight French
>Why?
>Because he wants Russian Empire to join economic blockade on British Empire we just finished fighting with
>Actually he wants a peace of Poland too?
>What the frick are we fighting for even? Aren't French frends?
And especially at that time France and Napoleon were VERY popular in Russian empire, like speaking French as a second language was just a hip thing to do, it was literally like trying to make weebs fight Japan. And it wasn't until Napoleon fricked around by taking Moscow that he found out what focused Russian army is capable of because once he took Moscow they finally found a unifying reason to fight.
Wow, none of that is true.
what makes more sense is that it was just happened by sheer chance (perhaps incompetence, since the ship literally runs into it) and it was used as a casus belli opportunistically.
The more interesting element is that even if it was an 'inside job' it was entirely justified. Humans have no chance against the bugs if they are left in peace, the bugs will simply outnumber them and inevitably consume all other resources and they will then exterminate humans and take theirs.
yeah imagine if a false flag attack perpetrated against the home planet of the federated planets ended up boosting recruitment to a war that fuelled the military industrial complex against a race full of barely bugs on a desert planet.
imagine if that was a thing, but in real life.
>Our race was peaceful until the invaders came. They encroached upon our planets and sought to claim them for their own. We sent our warrior castes by the thousands to protect ourselves. But we were overcome and decimated by their merciless onslaught. They think as individuals, not as a hive or collective. In the absence of diplomatic relations and dialog, we were forced to fight. And this led to the eradication of race. Soon the humans will conquer everything they set themselves to possess.
T. a brain bug historian
The only good bug is a dead bug.
>when you nut, but she still suck
How does the Brain Bug process intelligence when it eats the brain? How the frick does that work?
well if you want me to make up some semi-plausible scifi babble I imagine it only makes sense if the brain bug injects some sort of sub-proboscis appendage that migrates into all the neural pathways allowing it to abstract the data within the brain it's consuming.
Some form of memories being stored in the fat in the brain and it analyzing the proteins/molecules in it or something? Recognizing synapse firings or something?
I imagine it like plugging in a flash drive and transferring data. It’s all electricity, basically
he turns into cillian murphy near the end
Yes. Sargon's Starship Troopers videos are unironically the best content he's ever created and if you like this movie you should watch them.
>changes your jump pack wielding hit squad to human wave infantry
On the bounce!
when will we get the badass, jumping tank armor, chucking nuclear hand grenades Mobile Infantry?
They have that in Traitor of Mars, everyone was using power armor. At least Rico was kinda looked like Casper Van Dien.
eh, just not as cool when it looks more like normal armor with regular machine guns instead of a small mech you pilot has serious jump engines, heavy cannons, etc
Well, if you believe the rumors of Space Force, we have had that since '68.
Show Me the Mobile Infantry
no
no
no
The TERRAN Moblie Infantry
no
no
Buy why Buenos Aires?
Glassing the last remaining whitelarping argentinians of course
Nothing of value was lost. I'm Argentine btw
bugs have rights
And what rights are those bugbrain?
whaddya got?
The book was supposed to indict militaristic jingoism but the movie made it look cool as hell, the video game was not half bad either.
Really? I got anything but that impression. There is a chapter that highlights the benefits of corporal punishment, and if anything presciently indicts our own progressively soft approach to crime and the justice system.
The military aspect is simply glowing from the typewriter of Heinlein, and in the novel Rico's father joins the M. I. himself.
The obvious propaganda news bulletins in the movie are more for comedic effect more than a serious anti-fascist commentary. Hence the film stays fairly true to Heinlein's pro-military action adventure story.
Does she get naked? Everybody else seems to get naked in those films.
god second movie was pure dumbass crap
Was this good?
Eh, they're ok if you're bored and need something to watch. Nowhere near as good as the first movie.
I probably shouldn't stick my dick into it.
HOWEVER
Buenos Aires was an inside job
if you know, you know
one of the first online games i played.
i remember the website had tons of other games too.
Yes but it's not quite as simple as that, humanity is a competing Empire. The bugs threw a meteor at Earth because we were encroaching on their territory, in the books the skinnies and bugs despite hating each other are allied because Earth is expanding on their territory. That's not say they're benevolent but the bugs aren't evil either.
You morons don't get it. These bugs need to be exterminated, their existence is an offense to God, they need to be purged.
Brain bugs should be forced to watch while their queens are inseminated by humans, simple as.
>You morons don't get it. These bugs need to be exterminated, their existence is an offense to God, they need to be purged.
...but enough about humans amirite?!
Blue waffle
Are there any sci fi books or movies where humans do not win? Even when facing a clearly superior and technologically more advanced race, humans always survive.
brazil
Many short stories have the humans lose. Like Outer Limits episodes. Or the Swarm episode of Love, Death, and Robots
>bugs shoot their plasma jizz at asteroid and it goes hundreds of lightyears and hits buenos aires
pretty obvious false flag. the bugs were innocent
Wouldn't an asteroid of that size cause an extinction level event anyway?
She's ready to settle
damn, try prune juice.
maybe put some coconut oil on them every half-hour.
Does it matter? literalism is such a blight on film discussion. not that starship troopers deserves a conversation on it's themes, but I see this kind of discussion with every movie these days and it always feels like the most autistic reading possible.
Roger Ebert quote about fans of fandom goes here
People's brains have been mashed into an autistic format by exposure to the internet. It didn't used to even be possible to argue about THE LORE ON THE LE WIKI like it's the most important thing. People who did it about Star Trek stardates and stupid details for 30 years used to be seen as insufferable nerds but now it's everything.
Yes
I feel like the anti war message wpuld have come across much better if the enemy was something more humanoid instead of giant man eating bug monsters that are barely self aware.
“There is no such thing as an anti-war story”
>it’s anti-war because beautiful people perform works of selfless heroism and have hot sex with each other afterwards
How dysgenic are you?
It's mainly a satire on propaganda and militarism. That's why the enemy is non-human. Propaganda often dehumanizes the enemy
But it makes me agree with the propaganda because they're actually non-Human? Have em kill a bunch of e-woks or something cute instead
any one have an archive of that starship troopers review breakdown that compared the movies to modern American foreign policy?
Who cares they're bugs I wonder what they taste like
would
Still surprised how comfy Starship Troopers was. People b***hing back and forth about the message really obscure what a fun 90's Verhoeven flick it is. Everyone makes it seem like the movie is such a fricking downer with the fascist implications but it's great. Fun world, fun movie.
Yes, but humanity knew about it in advance and possibly even provoked them to have an excuse to fight like how the US allowed Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor to join WW2.
Well all of Earth is united in a military society but they lost maybe a little more than the Romans lost at Cannae so they just fricking have to give up and its over and there's no way they can recover from this loss of soldiers, a loss that Soviets accepted tenfold in order to achieve their goals. The basis for my argument? My feelings and a short video of 'child soldiers'
Neglecting to include my post in your apology doesn't make it any less sincere.
Pluto will always be a planet, I don't care what ~~*they*~~ say.
Starship Troopers satire in a little more detail
no
the bugs are literally just bugs
there's no evidence they have any kind of technology at all, let alone the ability to calculate flinging an asteroid across the galaxy to hit Earth
Buenos Aires was a USS Maine moment, where a tragic accident was used to push an agenda and expand the war effort
they have bugs adapted in to soldiers, bugs adapted for air superiority, bugs adapted to fire on orbital spaceships and they capture high value human targets to suck their brains out and I don't think the brain bugs were doing that for purely nutritional reasons.
Anyone who thinks that the federation was fascist, doesn't know what fascism is and probably has the vaguest definition of it.
Fascism was never a well-defined ideology to begin with. It’s characterised largely by disgust of certain things. Mein Kampf is nothing like, say, Das Capital, it’s not really a coherent system of ideas like you could say communism is. Which explains why so many Nazis were themselves socialists to begin with.
see
>I'm ready to settle down
they started the war by existing and being filthy xeno scum
trips based and confirmed.
Do you think Hasdrubal thought this for the rest of his miserable life?
How can bug plasma send a meteor to earth that is several light years away without anyone noticing? It would take millions of years to even get to earth. Of course the federation pulled a false flag.
It's more than several light years away. Klendathu is right across the other side of the galaxy. It would take a meteor approximately 1,700,000,000 years to make the journey, providing a route could be plotted that would entirely avoid stars and other gravity wells.
If it was a false flag, then the population must have moron level intelligence not to figure this out.
Looks like Sarah Gadon after a night with her favorite BBC
SEX
WITH
SPACE
BUGS
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
hey guys it had to be an inside job because launching a meteor from that one spot they showed and then hitting that other spot, man they are really far away, theres no way these SPACE FARING BUGS with UNKNOWN CAPABILITIES could possibly do that, even though we don't know what they are capable of at all nor their reach
Read the book. The military did it. The only way they could keep earth a utopia was to have a foreign, external enemy to fight. So they blamed it on the bugs to make a basically unbeatable enemy that had an eternal meatgrinder. And made sure that to get the full perks of said utopian society you had to serve time in the war. So you needed a chance to be culled. It was satire of the military industrial complex basically giving them free reign to let people have a technological and ideal utopia at the cost of eternal meatgrinding against the space bugs they provoked by invading one of their worlds. So the bugs would never lose either. It's in their interests to never win the war.
>Read the book. The military did it.
lol decent b8 to get him to read it
But that's literally what happens.
2/10
maybe you should read it too
0/10
Go frick yourself and learn to read.
Cope, kiddie.
The book has the bugs using ships and possessing technology. There's no false flag. Read it sometime, or prove me wrong and quote it.
I'll be waiting.
I know the bugs have ships and tech. It's still a false flag in the book. They colonize/invade a bug world and start the war. Do I need to pull it up right now and read it to you like you're a child? Or did you skim the wiki page and now think you know enough to just wing it?
>It's still a false flag in the book
Ok, prove it.
I know you haven't read it and you're thinking it's the same as the movie, and while amusing to read your posts it's also silly. I'm waiting.
>muh movie
Concession accepted. I expect better next time. Still 0/10 bait. If you're this sloppy you get nothing.
lol looks like I touched a nerve.
No proof it was a false flag in the book? Then I win.
Give it a read, you might enjoy it.
>btfo so hard he's afraid to respond directly
The whole book was Heinlein sucking the dick of meritocracy anyway, it'd be out of character for his Terran Federation to pull a false flag.
Yeah but none of that was in the movie. Also, I have not read the book and do not trust you to tell me what was in there, haha
Read the book, Black person. Unironically.
sheeeeesh that bugussy finna make me act up
Yes.
By the mere fact of their existence.
the asteroid was a false flag, wiping out rich buenos aires liberals and making the rest of the fence sitters support full on invasion, while already having a military base, which we later find out, on the bug planet. we, the humans, started the invasion. did you not watch the entire film? interestingly, the first shot of destroyed buenos aires is two large buildings, possible towers of sorts in the background, really makes one think....
bugs did 9/11
It was either them or the Humans so sure, the Bugs started the war.
These conversations always make me feel like I'm the only one that watched the movie. We fricking SEE the asteroid come out of hyperspace. We're told that Rodger Young is leaving port for the Jupiter picket line, then in its next appearance we see the asteroid hit their communication mast as they duck underneath it. The speed and closeness of everything is bullshit, of course, but it's not like any of that is sensible in any other space scene of the movie. Yet these threads never, EVER bring that scene up, not even to write it off as misleading propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z5PaCWf_ro
it's edgier to pretend to be moronic and call everything a false flag
Ever considered it might just be a random damn asteroid that hit earth and not a deliberate move on the bugs part. And that the earth gov just blamed them to justify waging a war. The reporter even hints at it by questioning whether its just a random asteroid, right before rico shouts the buenos aires kill em all line.
youre forgetting that this course, the optimal course, was deliberately not calculated in the ships computer, only after pilotbimbo made course corrections, they encountered the meteor. and you two are forgetting that there are no space mormons setting up camp on klendathu, but it was a military base. humans literally started the war, the false flag is up for debate but perfectly reasonable and logical to assume.
>bugs are throwing space rocks at humans
>bugs assume that ships are going on optimal paths towards their destinations, so they throw asteroids along predicted optimal pathways.
>humans are always too moronic to calculate the optimal paths and end up going on routes that are basically random and unpredictable.
>the correction of the flight path puts the crew in danger in this instance because it is the optimal path
Another reminder to play it cool and dumb, and not to "re-plot the course" like a b***h nerd.
I don't think we're meant to believe that in the context of the film I just think verhoeven didn't give a frick about how long an asteroid would take to travel light years although we are meant to understand the federation are fascistic buttholes. It is also an entertaining fan theory though
going to school after watching this bros...
webm context?
I luv ya deep down sarah
>space movie about soldiers fighting space alien bugs
>the military is what you would expect against a big alien threat
>"OMG THIS MOVIE IS A SATIRE BECAUSE....STUFF THEY NEVER SAY OR SHOW IN THE MOVIE!"
I will never understand this.
They show it over and over in the movie. That's the point. There is no point in coming out to blatantly say it. It's demonstrating how populations of smoothbrains are convinced to follow fascist/authoritarian governments and thrown into meatgrinders for the goals of that government. If you need some character to stop the movie, look at the camera, and say "we are the bad guys, the bugs never actually attacked us, but we needed an excuse to increase patriotism, further secure power, funnel money to the war industry and politicians, and cull parts of the population" then you're just one of the smoothbrains that would be sent to Klendathu.
ONLY GOOD BUG IS A DEAD BUG!!!!
doesnt matter, they want them dead
kill em all
whoa
you must be from buenos aires
You're now forced to remember Starship Troopers 2 and 3.
You now fondly remember Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles
You HAVE purchased you suit model, haven't you? All proceeds go to the war effort!
The bugs did nothing wrong
My theory about the movie universe is that the bugs are just Federation livestock. The Federation props them up as an invader, and uses them to cull the population. Its why the Federation sends out troops on moronic missions instead of just glassing every bug planet and being done with it.
yeah, but they won't end it
islam should take heed. quit while you're ahead. submit before it's too late. you have angered your betters.
the bugs have no concept of war
>lust provoking image
>irrelevant time wasting question
Dizzy > Carmen
Yep
All guys should have a tomboy sis who is obsessed with them to play sports and videogames and wrestle with but still cleans up well in a loose dress
Dina Meyer still looks great and isn't bogged like denise richards. Dina is one of the most underrated actresses. Very weird her career didn't take off.
I feel like Dina refused to do anything further than a bit of nudity in her movies and so never made it to "Having sex with the directors for parts" famous.
she's israeli and is a decent actress. could have gotten a lot of major roles without having to do any of that. tough competition maybe. can't think of any others who are in her age group that was a main competitor, aside from denis richards.
maybe if Dizzy's hair wasn't stuck in the 1980s.
Imagine not wanting to wrap your wiener in '80s thot hair
Our mission is world domination and they're in our way
How do you convince a "FEDERATION GOOD" moron about how impossible it'd be for a bug society to "launch" attacks across galaxies? Beyond the fascist themes, how could you possibly make them understand?
Silence, bug degenerate.
the b***h that wanted to have children, falls into a trap and gets dragged in a cave, presumably not killed so she can serve as food for bug...children. her dream came true 🙂