did they really respect each other ?
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did they really respect each other ?
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Yes
If you think about it, they would've had more in common with each other than any other human beings alive they knew of
that's deep
moronic homosexual
would you rather I say some shit about
>we are divided by wealth not by borders. we need communism an shit
frick off you stupid fricking commie homosexual b***h ball guzzler
Must be fun fighting your own brain 24/7
have sex
It's a formality. It's like any politicians today would arrange a meeting and behave respectfully.
Also what said.
>we're not so different, you and i.
By all accounts they did.
nah Saladin is just hyped up because of Muslimboos in Europe at the time
they made him fit into their supposed code of chivalry
when are we getting Kingdom of Heaven 2: Lionheart Boogaloo?
Tell me about Baldwin. Why does he wear the mask?
god willed it
leprosy
Why does a man called The Leper King wear a mask?
He sent him his phoenicians.
I saw a yt video going through history movies and detailing their accuracy, and the dude said the arabian eye liner (kohl) on men was racist because it was feminizing arabs in the movie
i have never encounterd a "historian" who fully knew what they were talking about. the best people to ask about history are craftsmen when asked about their craft.
I remember reading an article about a tiny bone spike that was found in an archaeology site that they couldn't figure out what it was, until they posted it to the public and a leatherworker immediately told them it was an awl for punching leather and that people still used bone awls today
Yeah, it reduces glare reflecting off your skin from the sun, it's like a rudimentary form of sunglasses. Same reason footballers wear face paint under their eyes
good post
the best historian on youtube is the longhaired video game ceo that makes videos about medieval candles and shit
Didn't eyeliners come from arab men? It wasn't a feminine thing until it was brought to Europe
Are you sure it wasn't that Insider video with thr history prof talking about Alexander?
Either way they're right, dunno why the must always turn Persians and medieval Arabs into feminine gays
Because they were.
>he wears arabian eye line (kohl) like prostitutes
No salahuddin was bad guy in real life
The Italians call it 'la posta del falcone - the guard of the hawk
I thought he said pasta del falcone?
>pasta del falcone
that's correct. we know this because it's Italian
>Has this entire troupe of interesting side characters from various backgrounds.
>They all just fricking die in an ambush, he gets mortally wounded but treated and dies ten minutes later anyways.
This movie wastes a lot of time on stupid shit like that especially on the first half. It's one of those rare movies that's shit for the first half but somehow fantastic for the second half.
respect always makes for compelling movies. bravo ridley
idk but the amount of cringe christians who accept muslims based solely on that scene is funny.
i dont understand why Cinemaphile overrates this flick, it makes templars look like the aggressors and cartoonishly dishonorable and dumb, with a few "reasonable" liberal-minded crusaders to oppose them, while in reality the muslims enslaved and forcefully converted the whole city, it almost makes a point about the tolerant muslims deserving it and in the end the real point of the movie is just that plus the lowborn non-believing blacksmith was the real knight all along
It's just extending Saladins reputation for honor and mercy to the rest of the Saracens
it literally has scenes designed to make you hate the bad guy crusaders with the french guy who demands to marry the girl who rather wants to be free and frick the foreign twink chad who respects her, he raids innocent unarmed merchants and kills messengers and then you're supposed to be cheer when he shits his pants as he thinks he's about to be beheaded by the honorable muslims who puts him in his place
the movie is still full of stale stern conservative ugly guy bad tropes and twists random historic figures into evil
People like what they are told to like. As is their place.
>it makes templars look like the aggressors and cartoonishly dishonorable
the guys who made The Dome on the Rock their offices? Yeah no way dishonourable
Saladin freed over half the slaves he took. When you look at what the Crusaders did when they took the city its tame.
It's the only big-budget crusade kino we have.
We have 10 gazillion marvelshits and we have to treat historical kinos like water drops in the desert
>It's the only big-budget crusade kino we have.
We deserve one about the First Crusade
>Peter the Hermit getting arrogant, rushing his way and getting btfo the first step outside Christian land
>Alexios/Urban II arguments
>Bohemond turning up to help when only a few years earlier wanted to destroy Alexios
>Bohemond annexing Antioch for fun
>Raymond of Toulouse finding the Spear of Longinus and rallying the rest of the party to Jerusalem
>slaughtering everyone in Jerusalem not realising some are Christians because eastern practises are massively different to back in France
crusades were a scam aimed to fix the moronic aspects of feudal society in wesern europe
templars ravaged the local arab christians who had decent lives under muslim rule
and it all amounted to nothing just like Iraq/Afghanistan
the crusades killed more orthodox christians than muslims
history doesn't exist to align with your modern political views (which could be correct, im not saying)
>and it all amounted to nothing
The crusade states lasted for centuries.
>they made him fit into their supposed code of chivalry
The Islamic knights around that time followed very similar set of rules to their christian counterparts. Read Kitab al-I'tibar - it's a diary of a Syrian noble living there around that time.
Nah
Everyone respected baldwin because he wasn’t into schemes, powerplays and shit because he knew he was going to die. he just tried to maintain the status quo and get people what they wanted. Everyone knew that too, that’s why they let him die in peace, even his ennemies.
nope its actually because the holy land was a suzerainty of Byzantium and the Roman Emperor constantly made deals with Saladin. It went to shit when it was evident The Emperor could no longer control the Crusaders
Are you from an alternate universe where the crusaders respected their deal with the emperor?
It was because of their crusader antics that they became suzerains
You’re answering a totally different question. Saladin never pushed his luck with baldwin.
>What is Jerusalem worth, Cinemaphile?
>nothing
The destruction of the west and the lives of millions of white europeans. For israelite... for the torah... we must destroy the ur-pagan cultures of Europe and plunge it into the dark ages.
Probably yes, but he was despised for his illness by many.
Royalty respect royalty by default. You know why? Because they're royalty themselves. It has frick all to do with muh character. It's like how every billionaire gets along. They understand it's us vs them.
A regular frank woman came to Saladin complaining that her son had been kidnapped, he listened to her pleas and sent someone with her to help track her son.
Yep. Saladin and Richard the Lionheart also had a deep respect for each other. It would be wrong to characterize them as "friends", but each man knew what the other was going through.
Similarly, the Knights Templar, idiotically characterized as rabid xenophobes in the modern era, were in fact known for their sophisticated understand of the Islamic world. They still, naturally, wanted Christianity to triumph, Jerusalem to be in the hands of the Church, and for the Arabs and all other Muslims to convert. They were not 21st century liberals. But there was a great deal of nuanced understanding on both sides. It's hard for modern people to wrap their heads around, given we live very much in an era of "US GOOD, THEM BAD", where politics are tribal, or worse, team sports. In the time of the Crusades, people understood that others might believe very differently from them, and still possess noble characteristics despite being their enemies. Again, this does not mean they were friends, or saw Islam/Christianity as anything other than a false faith leading to damnation. Paradoxically, the people willing to kill and die to impose their beliefs often showed a greater understanding than is common in our age.
Though of course, there were still plenty of morons, bigots, and cynical hypocrites trying to enrich themselves. The past is a foreign country, but it isn't another world. Its inhabitants were magnificently, terribly, and undeniably human.
5 star post right here.
>it's edward norton
I gain immense respect for any actor who is ok with not showing their face. Some of those homosexuals have contracts forbidding any scene of them losing a fight,
I had no idea it was him. These days actors demand to take off their helmets and masks so everyone can see their faces as they "act" and emote. You see it a lot in Marvel movies.
the dude has leprosy. of course he's not gonna show his face kek
the point is not every actor will even take a part where no one can see their face. when they do they demand in their contracts that their face be visible all the time like
said.
Stallone played a notorious masked character in dredd and I don't think he put on the mask one time in the movie. Contrast that with the fact that most people don't even know gary oldman was in hannibal 2001. Oldman and Norton were also already huge actors during this time.
>the point is not every actor will even take a part where no one can see their face
I hear ya, I was trying to joke that Edward Norton has leprosy kek.
But I admit I was perhaps too subtle
This movie is anti Christian while pretending to be secular
In real life ? No.
In the movie it was all about making Christian’s look evil
But they did irl. This wasn’t the stone age. Plenty of letters, orders and chronicles existed. Salah al din and richard the lion heart also had mutual respect and well. You’re a moronic Black person that parrots what you read online and has never opened a book lol
>Tell my lord Saladin...that Jerusalem has come
they dont make kino like this anymore
>Nothing.
>Everything.
hey I just liked a meme about this
>le christian+muslim alliance
say it