Did y'all know Alexander the Great was gay?

Did y'all know Alexander the Great was gay?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wow i can’t believe netflix would depict the famously known heterosexual society of Ancient Greece as gay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why's that man raping a little dicked israelite?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because femboys are the natural order

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Greece being known as gay comes from a handful of pots like your pic. Not a lot of real evidence supports it. Though there is a lot more evidence for rome being gay.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not only that, many of the pots earlier purported to depict gay sex were later proven to just show heterosexual anal sex.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sticking it up the pooper just makes sense if you've got no contraceptives but a lot of olive oil

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not a lot of real evidence supports it.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

        A certain dead spartan king at the hands of homosexual soldiers from thebes may disagree with you

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is a myth as well, they weren't gay

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The whole Greeks were gay is just pop-history, like Napoleon being short. Except by 2010 it became dogmatic.

            greek homosexualry is a MYTH

            FACTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E

            The sacred band of thebes is well documented by both their enemies and allies, including Phillip of Macedon who destroyed them

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >who destroyed them
              Kind of embarrassing of you to not realize a story about a well regarded king destroying a band of homos isn’t reflective of the cultural attitude towards such things at the time in which it was composed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Sacred Band fell together as a single unit and, according to Plutarch, were mourned by Philip II of Macedon himself as valiant warriors.
                Dinarchus’ speech references them and Pelopidas (l. c. 410-364 BCE) as embodying the values he claims Athens has lost and should work to regain.

                The kind of same-sex relationship both Plato and Crompton are referencing is the Greek model of male love in which a lover (the erastes) nurtured the growth and cultivation of the beloved (the eromenos), a younger man. The paradigm was considered an important aspect of the agoge, the Spartan education program, which produced their great warriors, and as Crompton notes, its value in morale was also recognized by other Greek city-states.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                City of Crompton

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >was so out of the ordinary that it's remembered 2400 years later for how out of the ordinary it was
          You ever hear the phrase "the exception proves the rule"?
          Also you should read some of the sources listed in the wiki page you linked, but specifically [76], "Did an Army of Lovers Really Dominate Ancient Greece?"
          The author doesn't categorically deny the Sacred Band's existence, but he does raise a couple of good points about Plutarch being a moralizer rather than a strict historian and that his recount of the Sacred Band, written some centuries after their defeat, appears in Parallel Lives, which is specifically about Alexander the Great and how he's Plutarch's super cool husbando. He had a vested interest in making Alexander look mighty, and a mighty man needs mighty foes, so what better foe than a 300-strong gay army that was the only force to ever defeat the Spartans while outnumbered?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is categorically no such thing as a "strict historian" in the pre-modern world.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >in the pre-modern world.
              you can scratch this part out

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Alexander and Hephaestion like Achilles and Patroclus before them were subject to philosophers' curiosity re: their intimacy. The manner in which such is discussed makes it clear that the writers don't consider the possibility horrifying or out of place as a line of inquiry. Obviously the nature of "homosexuality" in that time is wildly different culturally to its current form as an attempted direct analogue to standard heterosexual coupling, and any attempts by modern writers to depict it as such is silly.

        Even the Sacred Band of Thebes, as cool and interesting as their relationships might be to speculate on, were war companions first and foremost, not husband and wife or some other absurd modern relational construction.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The philosophers themselves were gays though and that's relevant. It's like lesbian fans deluding themselves that Taylor Swift is gay. Academia does the same thing. There is an impulse within homosexuals to normalize their deviance by making it seem more prevalent, as though everyone is secretly gay. Pretty much all gay people do this so when you see Aristotle making the claim that Achilles was gay it needs to be looked at through that same lens.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Band of thebes is in multiple stories gays, because it was thought they would fight harder if their lover was next to them fighting also.
          Even the spartans got btfo by them, forcing the spartans to ally with several other nations including the persians to eventually beat them (and whiped them out)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a lot more evidence for rome being gay
        There actually isn't. They were using gay as an insult same as every culture the world over throughout all of history.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bro Emperor Hadrian was the gayest mf to ever live

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he's never read the Anabasis

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which one?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >4chuddies masquerading as le epic Romanz now have to distort history so they can keep using their Roman bust pfps without issue.

        sksksk literally just admit they did gay stuff whats so wrong with that?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >whats so wrong with that?
          Usuallly the prolapses annuses and STDs.
          Oh and pedophilia.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i'm glad we agreed that the gayreeks and bad romance were pederasts so maybe a certain group of people should stop using them as their pfps so much, hello?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >One of the most popular Roman novels depicts Greeks as boy obsessed perverts
        >Multiple orations from Cicero make reference to Greeks being massive gays
        >Surviving records show that handsome young male slaves cost similar amounts to good looking young female slaves

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Cicero
          was born 200 yrs after alexander and a Roman of course he would make quips about Greeks being homosexuals. Just like how Americans call brits homosexuals 200 yrs later. Man, society really is doomed.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            see

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >plutarch
              >born in ad
              Hellenistic Greece was conquered by Rome for over 100 years before he was born. Since he is one of the first writers that also knew knew exactly how they were living hundreds of years before him because they had written proof before hand, oh wait.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                OK, there's also Xenophon and Plato.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, Xenophon mentions two regions being homosexual hives. Just like today California and NY are. So if we are going to use those metrics today, you obviously must be a major homosexual because California and NY are all homosexuals. Oh and by the way all US generals have to be at least bisexual homosexuals homosexual because they lives in a country with California and NY.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I will believe slander if it fits my worldview.
              Doi you also believe that all nonwhites are subhuman? There is quite alot of material about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where is the slander?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Greece is gay
        >N-n-n-no Rome!

        Lolz we live in their heads rent free

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did they invent the gloryhole?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll meet you halfway and say that while homosexual couples were a thing, there isn't enough evidence to suggest Alexander was.
      They didn't even need to have him romantically linked with anyone. This is pandering for the sake of pandering.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yeah it was common at that time
        >but don't make him be like the rest of the people
        >make him be a weirdo! An outscast like me!
        >because...uhh, I have these weird feelings

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >make him be a weirdo! An outscast like me!
          This coming from a historically illiterate homosexual is some peak projection.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was not famously homosexual, in no society in the world, whether we are speaking of pederasty in Greece OR Japan for instance, has homosexuality been extraordinarily prevalent. It has always been a private practice of upper class culture at certain places and times, more or less, shamed or honoured. The varying treatment Plato gives to it throughout his oeuvre shows all of this. Also there is simply no concrete evidence for Alexander being gay or having done gay acts, but there is for his heterosexuality. So choosing, between the two, the prior is very dishonest.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/eX2R33v.jpg

      Did y'all know Alexander the Great was gay?

      white men are gays kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm White and my hairline looks more like famed mulatto Andrew Tate

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      excuse me but what the frick

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Glory holes didnt even exist back then, what the frick is this shit, you people are soooo fricking stupid… there’s no hope for you guys. It’s so obvious they’re trying to retcon history to make you feel like things were always this bad, NO, it wasn’t. People had pride, people had morals. No, the greeks weren’t gays, no, the romans weren’t gays, frick off.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        like, who buys this?

        >”gay historians believe”

        wow, really? just like

        >”israeli historian says X about holocaust”

        give me a break. This is ancient aliens shit for crying out loud.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this everywhere or is it like a couple of gay dudes with gay porn and modern historians assuming it's common?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this everywhere or is it like a couple of gay dudes with gay porn and modern historians assuming it's common?

      PLEASE JUST READ PLATO DUDE HE IS ONE OF THE TOP 5 MOST FAMOUS WRITERS EVER.

      The Symposium, his writing on the philosophy of love has ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY GAY ACCOUNTS ABOUT WHAT THE BEST TYPE OF PEDASTRY IS AND SOCRATES EPIC MIC DROP IS "I actually learned love from a woman!". Homosexuality was an undeniably vital part of what we would consider the aristocratic class of ancient greece, especially within the context of pedastry.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just because Plato was a gay doesn't mean it was normal. Also Plato denounced homosexuality in his later writings and acknowledged its harmfulness.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Plato was the original roastie

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Frick you I hate you homosexuals so much. Plato didn't denounce much, that is the point of the dialogues. They were advertisements to his academy, the point was he was teasing out the fundamental questions of philosophy with providing concrete answers. This is why the ultimate did you actually read plato test is to see if someone argues that what Plato wrote in the Republic is representative of conclusive thoughts. The later dialogues almost exclusively examines problems found in the republic model, and find Socrates interlocutors pushing him to his argumentative limits compared to the earlier dialogues where they are just fools for him to defeat. The reason you are moronic is because the end of the symposium is meant to demonstrate a challenge to all of the accounts of love, but specifically Socrates in a crushingly beautiful but psychotic raving from Alcibiades. You're left wondering if anything they even talked about was love, or if they had entirely missed the point. The reason I gave it as an anthropological example is because it demonstrates the attitudes the upper class of ancient Greek society had towards homosexuality. Also I AM HOMOPHOBIC

          Whyd they hire bodyguards to protect their kids and make it illegal for any adult to enter a kids gymnaseum?

          It changes by time and area in the empire, but the general idea is that it was a form of literal grooming. It was a way to make someone a man, and the prepare them for upper class roles in society. It was also an opportunity for particularly beautiful boys to ascend their class if they were called upon by statesmen. This expectation wasn't the same for the aristocrat's own sons, but even that can get complicated depending on the time period.

          this man lies
          [...]
          Slaves were property, you'd frick them like objects at your discretion, like sand people and goats.

          Frick you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            too many fancy gay words, didn’t read

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              "interlocutors" is the only difficult word in that list and it just means debate partner moron friend : D

              you should learn to stop coping for history and to just take it honestly and learn from the mistakes of the past - Greece and Rome weren't perfect and it's better to just learn to interpret their cultures and have an opinion that goes further than the length of your bud light buzz

              >It changes by time and area in the empire, but the general idea is that it was a form of literal grooming. It was a way to make someone a man, and the prepare them for upper class roles in society. It was also an opportunity for particularly beautiful boys to ascend their class if they were called upon by statesmen. This expectation wasn't the same for the aristocrat's own sons, but even that can get complicated depending on the time period.

              This was described only 2 years after platos death, in 346 BC. People were scared of gays coming after their kids

              anon idk what to tell you - it became increasingly taboo the closer you get to the Roman period. That didn't stop it from having a pronounced cultural lineage that has kinda stuck around in western culture throughout the ages

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anon idk what to tell you - it became increasingly taboo the closer you get to the Roman period. That didn't stop it from having a pronounced cultural lineage that has kinda stuck around in western culture throughout the ages

                Yea my point is that there is clearly a discrepancy in the views between certain philosophers and the laws in Athens st the same time

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The purpose of the dialogue is to attack the notions of aristocratic love and love making. I wasn't trying to make a moral claim, its an anthropological fact of how cultural important pedastry was in ancient Greek history.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, culturally important in the way that they made laws to try to punish the gay pedos if they went near their kids and actively hired guards to stop them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It changes by time and area in the empire, but the general idea is that it was a form of literal grooming. It was a way to make someone a man, and the prepare them for upper class roles in society. It was also an opportunity for particularly beautiful boys to ascend their class if they were called upon by statesmen. This expectation wasn't the same for the aristocrat's own sons, but even that can get complicated depending on the time period.

            This was described only 2 years after platos death, in 346 BC. People were scared of gays coming after their kids

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This man is a homosexual pseud and a charlatan

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm anti-homosexual for the same reason I am against ideologically motivated false retelling of history.

              Yes, culturally important in the way that they made laws to try to punish the gay pedos if they went near their kids and actively hired guards to stop them

              Unless you have read things I have not read, again at least in the aftermath of Plato's philosophy, pedastry became more taboo, but the aristocratic class still kept doing it? Less and less nobles became subject to it publicly, but you didn't see stark cultural distinctions in how pedastry was viewed among the aristocratic class until later empires.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm anti-homosexual for the same reason I am against ideologically motivated false retelling of history.
                i don't follow.. is homosexuality untrue or..

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My original post was responding to the cope of people claiming that homosexuality was actually uncommon and its contemporary historians trying to make the past seem more gay or whatever when the reality appears to be that Ancient Greece was unusually tolerant of homosexuality among its aristocratic class, which is something that has been seen in their own writing and philosophy, as well as in medieval accounts of the time period.

                It's in aeschines. The law was mentioned as old as well, so wouldn't even be that the culture suddenly shifted when Plato changed his views on pederasty

                >so wouldn't even be that the culture suddenly shifted when Plato changed his views on pederasty
                I don't think we are speaking the same language. Plato doesn't give his "view" on pederasty in The Symposium? That's not how the dialogues function, and it doesn't change the point of my posts, which is that it was bizarrely socially acceptable among the upper class for a long time and we have anthropological accounts indicating that - which was what my initial responses were towards.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No I'm talking about platos works in general and also historical accounts of the laws at this time and earlier from Solon and Draco.

                They were suspicious of men even being near young boys. Death for even being in the room with them

                >The teachers of the boys shall open the school-rooms not earlier than sunrise, and they shall close them before sunset. No person who is older than the boys shall be permitted to enter the room while they are there, unless he be a son of the teacher, a brother, or a daughter's husband. If any one enter in violation of this prohibition, he shall be punished with death.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My original post was responding to the cope of people claiming that homosexuality was actually uncommon and its contemporary historians trying to make the past seem more gay or whatever when the reality appears to be that Ancient Greece was unusually tolerant of homosexuality among its aristocratic class, which is something that has been seen in their own writing and philosophy, as well as in medieval accounts of the time period.

                [...]
                >so wouldn't even be that the culture suddenly shifted when Plato changed his views on pederasty
                I don't think we are speaking the same language. Plato doesn't give his "view" on pederasty in The Symposium? That's not how the dialogues function, and it doesn't change the point of my posts, which is that it was bizarrely socially acceptable among the upper class for a long time and we have anthropological accounts indicating that - which was what my initial responses were towards.

                >A gymnasiarch who does permit this and fails to keep such a person out of the gymnasium, shall be liable to the penalties prescribed for the seduction of free-born youth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If any Athenian shall outrage a free-born child, the parent or guardian of the child shall demand a specific penalty. If the court condemn the accused to death, he shall be delivered to the constables and be put to death the same day

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why did the Greeks want to kill anyone for trying to seduction a young boy?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same reason people prevent the seduction of young maidens in Victorian society. It's not because heterosexuality is bad. It's because they value virginity and chastity. Here's an excerpt from Plato's Symposium on the topic:
                >The law here and in Sparta is complicated. . . . Let one reflect that it is said to be a finer thing to love openly than in secret; and particularly to love the noblest and best, even if they are uglier than others; and again, that everyone enthusiastically encourages the lover, and not as if he were doing anything shameful. . . . But on the other hand, when fathers set attendants in charge of the beloveds and prevent them from conversing with their lovers, and the attendant has this as a standing order, and the beloved's contemporaries and comrades blame him if they see anything like this going on; and the elders, in turn, do not stand in the way of those who cast reproaches or abuse them on the grounds that they are speaking incorrectly -- then, if one glances in this direction, one would believe that such a thing is customarily held to be most shameful. . . . So our law, in good and noble fashion, really wants to test these and to have the beloved gratify one group of lovers and escape from the others. On account of this it exhorts lovers to pursue and beloveds to flee, setting up a contest so that there may be a test as to which group the lover belongs to and which the beloved.
                Plato, Symposium 182-4

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This isn't a finalized philosophical account. This is from one of the earlier accounts in the Symposium, which Socrates is trying to counter and fails due to Alcibiades. You can't really take Plato as a philosopher who provides perceptions for these sort of things, not even Aristotle does that often - its very open ended.

                What's the Greek word being translated as chaste?

                I'm not sure you would have to look at the specific translation. There is a lot of variables in translating from ancient Greek, and often times the words chosen in the most literal translations possible still don't mean what the English word itself means within a contemporary context. This is a huge problem with interpreting Aristotle, and is why he is one of the most difficult to study philosophers at a post-grad level.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not sure you would have to look at the specific translation. There is a lot of variables in translating from ancient Greek, and often times the words chosen in the most literal translations possible still don't mean what the English word itself means within a contemporary context. This is a huge problem with interpreting Aristotle, and is why he is one of the most difficult to study philosophers at a post-grad level.

                Well you wouldn't look at the translation, you'd just look at the original Greek text right? I'm just too lazy to go look it up. Might as well claim lover and beloved wasn't always sexual either

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ancient Greek isn't latin - you don't have one to one translations into romance languages. This isn't even accounting for "readable" translations of Ancient Greek which are the vast majority of the translations out there for non-philosophy. Even the majority of the philosophy translations sacrifice a lot of clarity and precision for being readable. Compare the Hackett edition of the complete works of Plato translated by Cooper and Hutchinson against pretty much any other translation and you'll see what I mean. Even if it is a pretty linear one to one translation, you'd need to be looking at the context of the idea in Ancient Greece, and the context of what you are reading. I just got through what you and the other anon were citing from and it appears to just be a condemnation of a specific instance of prostitution with a variety of appraisals of pederasty. Also something that Aristotle spoke positively on and he was writing much more from a sense of personal philosophical views than Plato who never delivered a cohesive philosophical project for a variety of reasons. Go read Selective Breeding if you want to get an understanding of why reading Plato is much more difficult if you are looking for anything more than the questions of philosophy or an example of enjoyable cultural anthropology.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ancient Greek isn't latin - you don't have one to one translations into romance languages

                Latin script doesn't make translations necessarily more a curate than Greek script. If you want to argue chaste means something else then just pull up the Greek text and give the word they are translating to chaste.

                The point of the quotes from the text are to show the laws they had to prevent and punish men who tried to seduce youths

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't get what isn't making sense from my posts

                >If you want to argue chaste means something else then just pull up the Greek text and give the word they are translating to chaste.
                We constructed English around Latin roots and have built upon the romance language architecture for a very long time. We have the ability to have a lot of transparency in how we translate individual words that are meant to explain very complicated ideas. This isn't a luxury translating from ancient Greek, and more importantly it doesn't necessarily communicate the idea in it's appropriate context. Take the word "matter" when discussing Plato's theory of forms. Matter is a stand in for Ancient Greek words that don't have a linear translation, and the idea itself is quite different from what matter would mean in a modern context. The same seems to be the case for chastity in this example, where the problem isn't the seduction of a young man, its the accusation of prostitution which was an obvious crime.

                Also I will repeat what I previously posted in response to something you said earlier. You claimed this was an example of the Greek's view of homosexuality changing, as well as it being seen in Plato's own writing. Plato didn't write about pederasty or homosexuality afaik outside of his middle period, with the latest appearance of the idea being kind of in the Republic. Aristotle however wrote very favorably on pederasty, similar to the views expressed in the Symposium, which we also observe in many of his students. Why would an example of a statesman arguing against prostitution undo all of this other context?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The same seems to be the case for chastity in this example,
                Based on?

                >where the problem isn't the seduction of a young man
                It clearly is a problem based on the laws given earlier

                , its the accusation of prostitution which was an obvious crime.
                No, it just prevents him from holding office.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The distinction which I draw is this: to be in love with those who are beautiful and chaste is the experience of a kind-hearted and generous soul; but to hire for money and to indulge in licentiousness is the act of a man who is wanton and ill-bred.
                The context of chastity in Ancient Greek texts often refers to sexual modesty. As in, a married couple who don't cheat on each other are chaste while in the current English sense of the word we get it's meaning from Catholicism which means an actual lack of sexual content.

                >But not to dwell too long on the poets, I will recite to you the names of older and well-known men, and of youths and boys, some of whom have had many lovers because of their beauty, and some of whom, still in their prime, have lovers today, but not one of whom ever came under the same accusations as Timarchus.
                This section further clarifies he is not referring to pederasty itself, but rather the problem is the prostituting of oneself, not the variety of lovers. The Symposium and Phaedrus discuss this, on how the statesmen should only have one or at most a handful of boys that they are grooming at once.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The context of chastity in Ancient Greek texts often refers to sexual modesty. As in, a married couple who don't cheat on each other are chaste while in the current English sense of the word we get it's meaning from Catholicism which means an actual lack of sexual content.

                So just give the geek word being used. Or examples of chaste being used but not meaning chaste.

                >This section further clarifies he is not referring to pederasty itself, but rather the problem is the prostituting of oneself, not the variety of lovers. The Symposium and Phaedrus discuss this, on how the statesmen should only have one or at most a handful of boys that they are grooming at once.

                No the laws quoted earlier have to deal with pederasty

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hmm

                So they considered it a shameful lust and also wanted to kill anyone who tried to seduce a young boy. Also kill anyone who even entered the room of young boys just incase they might try to do that.

                They valued virginity and chastity except for when it was a pederastic relation? Doesn't really make sense

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But he behaved as he did because he was a slave to the most shameful lusts
                Why's it a shameful lust?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >A gymnasiarch who does permit this and fails to keep such a person out of the gymnasium, shall be liable to the penalties prescribed for the seduction of free-born youth.

                Maybe I am mistaken, but are these not accounts that are referring to pederasty among lower classes? The Symposium was concerning large poets like Aristophanes, generals, and high ranking statesmen while going into the ways in which you have to properly practice it. Furthermore, I don't know what you are talking about by referring to "Plato's works in general". Maybe I've missed it in my studies on Plato, but I don't think pederasty comes up again outside of Phaedrus where it is discussed in a similarly controversial manner. Phaedrus was also marketed as a companion piece to the Symposium and was written directly after the symposium. The Republic goes into the potential virtues in reducing or controlling the desires concerning eros, but IIRC this was also extremely radical and didn't specifically touch on homosexuality as much as it did power structures such as gender (women having more equal rights to men and what that means) and age.

                That's the thing though, if a future civilization were to dig up the remains of our current society, they'd think we were all homosexuals by how much evidence they could find that shows homosexuality in a positive light. But in truth, homosexuals still only make up a very small percentage of the overall population and people like you would probably argue that there are still a lot of homophobes in that same society. The modern day spin that because some evidence of homosexuality in greek culture exists means that they were all hyper progressive and accepting of homosexuallity is simply wishful thinking by people with an agenda.

                The major difference being that Plato and Aristotle weren't just dug up examples - they were the defining philosophers of history who were extremely famous and influential. In the modern sense LGBT garbage is predominantly associated with lower classes, and has been since industrialization. The taboo of homosexuality hasn't gone away in the upper classes, while Plato is literally highlighting how learning love from a woman would've been an uncommon view among the most elite of Athenian society at the time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe I am mistaken, but are these not accounts that are referring to pederasty among lower classes

                No, they're laws brought up in a case in order to prevent a guy from being able to hold office

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the thing though, if a future civilization were to dig up the remains of our current society, they'd think we were all homosexuals by how much evidence they could find that shows homosexuality in a positive light. But in truth, homosexuals still only make up a very small percentage of the overall population and people like you would probably argue that there are still a lot of homophobes in that same society. The modern day spin that because some evidence of homosexuality in greek culture exists means that they were all hyper progressive and accepting of homosexuallity is simply wishful thinking by people with an agenda.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not even just today, you could look at the 1980s and then assume everyone was gay depending on what you were looking at

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's in aeschines. The law was mentioned as old as well, so wouldn't even be that the culture suddenly shifted when Plato changed his views on pederasty

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you argue with subhuman ameritards. KeK enjoy cancer and conservative cuck seethe

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm just wasting time before I go to bed, but idk this stuff is important to me and there isn't any way to get it out. The west needs an intellectually honest and liberal arts trained right wing movement to survive and these attitudes are why it isn't happening. Arguing in this thread isn't really doing much, but the general idea of coping about Greek history is in the same ballpark as telling young, high IQ, white men to go into the trades instead of occupying the institutions the left stole from us.

              >Maybe I am mistaken, but are these not accounts that are referring to pederasty among lower classes

              No, they're laws brought up in a case in order to prevent a guy from being able to hold office

              I'm reading the source now and context, which I will keep reading, but it seems like he is being accused of having too many improper relationships, not the crime itself of pederasty no?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it seems like he is being accused of having too many improper relationships
                He is specifically being accused of prostitution. He makes it clear that he is not shitting on homosexuality itself.

                >The distinction which I draw is this: to be in love with those who are beautiful and chaste is the experience of a kind-hearted and generous soul; but to hire for money and to indulge in licentiousness is the act of a man who is wanton and ill-bred. And whereas it is an honor to be the object of a pure love, I declare that he who has played the prostitute by inducement of wages is disgraced. How wide indeed is the distinction between these two acts and how great the difference, I will try to show you in what I shall next say.
                https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Aeschin.+1+137&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0002

                >But not to dwell too long on the poets, I will recite to you the names of older and well-known men, and of youths and boys, some of whom have had many lovers because of their beauty, and some of whom, still in their prime, have lovers today, but not one of whom ever came under the same accusations as Timarchus. Again, I will tell over to you in contrast men who have prostituted themselves shamefully and notoriously, in order that by calling these to mind you may place Timarchus where he belongs.
                https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Aeschin.+1+155&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0002

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you anon

                >The lawgiver gave much thought to the benefits of moderation in eating and also to the isolation of women, so that they not have many children. To this end he devised intercourse with males.
                Aristotle, Politics 2.10, 127a22-26

                >And many men, overall, prefer love with boys to love with females. In the very cities of Greece that have the best laws by comparison with others, this is the mode of behaviour that is fashionable.
                Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae 13.601

                >Solon also wrote a law forbidding a slave to practise gymnastics or have a boy lover, thus putting the matter in the category of honour and dignified practices, and in a way inciting the worthy to that which he forbade the unworthy.
                Plutarch, Life of Solon 1.3

                >The same lawgiver said: 'The slave is not to be the lover of a free boy, nor to pursue him, or else he is to receive fifty lashes with the public whip'. But he did not prevent the free man from being a lover, from associating with or pursuing a boy, nor did he think that this brought harm to the boy, but saw it as a testimony to his self-control
                Aeschines, Against Timarchus 138-9

                >The other Greeks either do as the Boeotians do, where man and boy are joined as couples and live together, or like the Eleans, who get to enjoy the charms of boys by making them grateful; there are also those who wholly prevent boy-lovers from conversing with boys. . . . In moost of the Greek cities the laws do not oppose men's desire for boys.
                Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaimonians 2.12-14

                Um... bros...????? This can't be happening! You told me the Greeks were not homosexuals!!

                This guy as well

                Really sucks how you can't have conversations about how to interpret this cultural lineage without dozens of groyper type homosexuals posting shit like "actually the israelites made up Greek homosexuality"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it's kind of sad. Historical denialism bothers me. It reminds me of BPD thinking. Everything is 100% black or white -- totally good or totally bad. But we cannot expect societies from thousands of years ago to conform to our own preferences. This goes for people on the left as well as the right. Greek homosexuality is not comfortable for most modern people, whether it's because of the same-sex sexuality or the significant age-gap between the partners. It's a matter of humility to accept that people in the past were very different to us and that we cannot expect them to fit neatly into our own ideas of what human life is like. And that's part of the richness of history.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm reading the source now and context, which I will keep reading, but it seems like he is being accused of having too many improper relationships, not the crime itself of pederasty no?

                Yes and no, at the start he lists all the laws he believes he is in violation of, which I quoted above. He talks about how the old law givers were suspicious of men being around kids. And if anyone even enters the room, rapes a kid or even a slave they are to be killed.

                As the person quoted below

                >>The distinction which I draw is this: to be in love with those who are beautiful and chaste

                >chaste

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unless this is a strange translation "chaste" isn't translated to mean literally chastity. Its like how in Chinese philosophy the way means something different in Mencius than it does for the neo-Confucians. Again, maybe I'm wrong but chaste is more like sexual virtue or whatever, and it doesn't mean not having sex - some translations of the symposium and phaedrus use the word "chaste" to describe the relationships with young boys. Also the other anon just posted examples of Aeschin speaking to the merits of pederasty, just not prostitution. You can't retrofit a Christian conception of chastity onto a pre-Christian culture unless I am missing something.

                Yes it's kind of sad. Historical denialism bothers me. It reminds me of BPD thinking. Everything is 100% black or white -- totally good or totally bad. But we cannot expect societies from thousands of years ago to conform to our own preferences. This goes for people on the left as well as the right. Greek homosexuality is not comfortable for most modern people, whether it's because of the same-sex sexuality or the significant age-gap between the partners. It's a matter of humility to accept that people in the past were very different to us and that we cannot expect them to fit neatly into our own ideas of what human life is like. And that's part of the richness of history.

                Yes and the whole point of the west is that we are supposed to be able to interpret our cultural history without the bizarre revisionism found in primitive and Marxist cultures. Its why you see pretty much every major right wing philosopher of the late 19th century and early 20th century not challenge a lot of the complicated elements of western history - ESPECIALLY the lack of modesty in per-Renessaince Europe. Similar to Ancient Greek pederasty, seemingly no-one is willing to have the sort of complicated interpretative conversations in a way that would allow us to revive an honest recounting of our past.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's the Greek word being translated as chaste?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                chaste does not mean celibate. it means continent.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                adjective
                abstaining from extramarital, or from all, sexual intercourse.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trying to push the meme that homosexuality was the norm or even widely acceptable in Greece is the most intellectually dishonest thing you can do. You have absolutely no right to lecture anyone, you dishonest queer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gays have been doing that for the better part of a century by now, it's mainstream. orwell was right not because he was so smart but because he saw all the shit he writes about in action

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >gays have been doing that for the better part of a century by now
                see

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whyd they hire bodyguards to protect their kids and make it illegal for any adult to enter a kids gymnaseum?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this man lies

        Is this everywhere or is it like a couple of gay dudes with gay porn and modern historians assuming it's common?

        Slaves were property, you'd frick them like objects at your discretion, like sand people and goats.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine not understanding the explanation of eros but still trying to talk down to people about symposium, yikes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wow i can’t believe netflix would depict the famously known heterosexual society of Ancient Greece as gay

        ?si=FGPyLNJz9dl__7XO
        moronic subersive israelite Black folk. I would curb stomp your neanderthal skulls in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I call bullshit on this image. While the story of Zeus and Ganymede were depicted in Red-Figure style on dishes such as a Kylix, there doesn't seem to be original on which this reproduction is based. It feels more like the invention of someone's modern imagination.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The attempt by people to fanfiction away Hellenic homosexual interactions is downright farcical. We got more reliable contemporary evidence for it than Christ - and mind you Christ existed, but it's something we have an absurd amount of evidence for.

      Greece being known as gay comes from a handful of pots like your pic. Not a lot of real evidence supports it. Though there is a lot more evidence for rome being gay.

      Frankly feels like more of the opposite. Romans at most being prison-gay (Always fine if you top), while the Greeks had full on love-beloved dynamics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As for additional sources, I recommend you look them up yourself. I will provide a few I found myself. Rather than just take my word as gospel or someone else's. That's what I did when I wanted to reach my own conclusion. Not "LoveisLove.com/24-ways-gays-were-always-present-in-history" telling me without citation and not "BasedandTradpilled.com/how-shylock-conspired-to-fabricate-homosexualry-in-history".

        No I'm talking about platos works in general and also historical accounts of the laws at this time and earlier from Solon and Draco.

        They were suspicious of men even being near young boys. Death for even being in the room with them

        >The teachers of the boys shall open the school-rooms not earlier than sunrise, and they shall close them before sunset. No person who is older than the boys shall be permitted to enter the room while they are there, unless he be a son of the teacher, a brother, or a daughter's husband. If any one enter in violation of this prohibition, he shall be punished with death.

        You're citing against Timarchus, the passage being 1.6 to 1.19 or so https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Aeschin.+1+6&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0002 specifically your quote is 1.12. 1.13 then is
        >Now after this, fellow citizens, he lays down laws regarding crimes which, great as they undoubtedly are, do actually occur, I believe, in the city. For the very fact that certain unbecoming things were being done was the reason for the enactment of these laws by the men of old. At any rate the law says explicitly: if any boy is let out for hire as a prostitute, whether it be by father or brother or uncle or guardian, or by any one else who has control of him, prosecution is not to he against the boy himself, but against the man who let him out for hire and the man who hired him; against the one because he let him out for hire, and against the other, it says, because he hired him. And the law has made the penalties for both offenders the same. Moreover the law frees a son, when he has become a man, from all obligation to support or to furnish a home to a father by whom he has been hired out for prostitution; but when the father is dead, the son is to bury him and perform the other customary rites.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No? It's 1.10

          Not sure how you can look at a quote and then go to a completely different one. Are you tired or something?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1.10 is the quote, 1.12 is the specific law. 1.13 then talks about a different law.

          Go to bed

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          1.15 then explains the law against outrage. Which is important, because it addresses outrage, which seems to be rape, against anyone - man or woman, freeborn or slave, child or adult.
          >And what other law? The law against outrage, which includes all such conduct in one summary statement, wherein it stands expressly written: if any one outrage a child (and surely he who hires, outrages) or a man or woman, or any one, free or slave, or if he commit any unlawful act against any one of these.
          >Now perhaps some one, on first hearing this law, may wonder for what possible reason this word “slaves” was added in the law against outrage. But if you reflect on the matter, fellow citizens, you will find this to be the best provision of all. For it was not for the slaves that the lawgiver was concerned, but he wished to accustom you to keep a long distance away from the crime of outraging free men, and so he added the prohibition against the outraging even of slaves. In a word, he was convinced that in a democracy that man is unfit for citizenship who outrages any person whatsoever.

          No? It's 1.10

          Not sure how you can look at a quote and then go to a completely different one. Are you tired or something?

          Multi-tasking, my bad. 1.12 is the explicit quote that Aeschines was summarizing, you were quoting Aschines, I got distracted

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yep?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is like me showing you some gay furry porn that proves our entire society is furry to the people 2000 years from now when actually 99% of porn is various stuff involving women.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Keep on defying the actual consensus of both modern and classical (Roman) academia.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Keep on defying the actual evidence, logic and statistics with appeal to authority.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I trust ancient scholars over some weird leftist schizo like you.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ancient consensus of both modern and classical academia is that you will be stoned to death if you show your homosexualry in public you
          illiterate moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally debunked, but the left loves this type of historical revisionism because it fuels their goal to normalize homosexualry.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope fake quote gay.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Plato wasn’t some celebrated genius and moral guide at his time, in fact most philosophers were basically believed to be annoying shit libs with verbal diarrhea, not at all representative of the vast swathes of people and their outlooks

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You do know you can only write on the the information you are given right?
          Having more information now than they did will give you a better analysis
          Or do you believe the “science is settled”

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ah yes, a bunch of irrelevant (for the subject matter) homosexuals who read some mistranslated quotes are great authorities on historical fact, unlike the guys who actually did the research and analyzed the nuance of the language
          yeah Yukio "In the closet kamikaze" Mishima definitely isn't biased

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >unlike the guys who actually did the research and analyzed the nuance of the language
            none of the people who meet this criteria dispute greek homosexuality

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You mean the historians that are unable to perceive any mention of a male-to-male relationship as anything but anal gaping homosexuality?
              The same historians that call Alexander a gay, who had multiple wives/mistresses and a child and Achilles a gay where he literally cried over having his beautiful female slave stolen from him by Agamemnon?
              Academia has been infiltrated by leftists in all fields and the myth of a gay Greece/Rome is merely an attempt to normalize degeneracy, fricking Elagabalus is being treated as a "trans icon" even though he was an insane queer (like all troons)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Classicists from the 1800s? hmm

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ancient Greek has multiple words for love and its different forms, all of those words are translated as simply 'Love' in all Germanic languages and considering the only access those classicists had to the texts were those faulty translations, then it's obvious that they misunderstood some things.
                Nevermind the obvious biases they had, especially that shithead Gibbon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The classicists all knew Greek and Latin. You realise that every member of the upper class learned Greek and Latin in school? Someone who studied antiquity for a living would almost certainly be fluent in the languages. The Greek word for romantic and sexual love is Eros. You never see it applied to the love between a parent and their child, or between male friends. Only between men and women and men and pretty boys. Hmm...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They learned Hellenistic Greek and Ecclesiastical Latin from people who never used said languages and directly translated them without context, you're being disingenuous.
                Eros comes from the verb ἔρᾰμαι and potentially from PIE h1rem (generally meaning tranquility and euphoria) which does not exclusively mean "sexual love"
                From wiktionary:
                >to love (usually of romantic/sexual love, usually of a man)
                >(of things) to passionately desire, lust after
                >(with infinitive) to desire eagerly
                Meaning that while it was generally used for sex, it wasn't used for it exclusively, because it didn't mean lust (that was the ancient greek word λαγνεία), it meant passion.
                Ancient Greeks being a very passionate and civic minded people considered teaching extremely important and everyone knows that teaching passionately is what gets to kids more effectively than being boring.
                There is Eros (passion/desire) in multiple things, sex, sport, war, teaching, drinking etc, that's why in later myths Eros was the son of both the goddess of Beauty and the god of War, the two things that sparked the most desire in Greek men.
                Meanwhile, bottoms were considered dishonorable, called κίναιδος (catamite) which probably came from the words κινέω (move) and αἰδώς (dignity), meaning the person that moves his dignity and καταπύγων from κατα (meaning downward) and πυγή (meaning asscheeks) which was associated with unnatural perversion and lechery.
                Wiktionary: lecherous, lewd, inclined toward unnatural lust
                a lecherous and lewd man, a debauchee
                (Attic) the middle finger (used for an obscene gesture)
                Both Aeschines, Aeschylus and Demetrius of Phalerum use the word κίναιδος in a negative light and Timarchus ends up losing all his political rights due to bottoming which is was a social death sentence back in ancient Athens
                also

                >The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other

                which proves my point on Eros in pederasty being passion in teaching rather than boyfricking
                get bent

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but why was Eros inspired by the boy's physical beauty then? And why do they talk so often of boys giving "favours" to their lovers?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because passion is a youthful aspect of character and men are the ones initiating passion as opposed to the passive (and looked down upon) females where the beautiful ones tended to be isolated virgins. It's about ideals.
                >And why do they talk so often of boys giving "favours" to their lovers?
                Because like every instance of wardship in history, it was a form of servitude in exchange for mentorship.
                You think Aristotle ever fricked Alexander or did he make him do chores? What's the most likely scenario?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The word I'm talking about is charidthezai, which can be translated as "gratify". In the Symposium they debate at what age a boy it is appropriate for a boy to "gratify" a lover, at what stage in the relationship the boy should "gratify" the lover, and ultimately whether or not boys should "gratify" their lovers at all -- ending with the scene where Alcibiades tries repeatedly to initiate sex with Socrates (since that's what he thinks Socrates expects as payment for his tutelage) but Socrates refuses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alcibiades was an infamous degenerate who acted with dishonor towards both himself and his people, he didn't try to initiate sex with Socrates because "it was expected of him" but because he was a manipulative degenerate.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The same historians that call Alexander a gay, who had multiple wives/mistresses and a child and Achilles a gay where he literally cried over having his beautiful female slave stolen from him by Agamemnon?
                They weren't 100% gays, they just fricked both women and men

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you have sex with a man, youre gay

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shame there's zero mention of any homosexual contact in either the Iliad or most of the sources regarding Alexander, other than succeeded sources where he simply kissed a Persian eunuch
                If Alex was so in love with Hephaestion then why would he willingly cuck himself by marrying him to a Persian woman

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see my example here

                >Literally nothing in the primary sources of him being gay. Just wishful thinking of some gay people

                >But this his liberality was the occasion of his death: for when he had presented all the Kings Friends with Gifts above their desire, he honoured not Bagoas the Eunuch with any Gifts at all, whom Alexander espe∣cially favoured for the use of his body, by which he did oblige the King unto him: There were therefore some that gave him admonition how much Alexander esteemed Bagoas; but he answered them

                Quintus Curtius: The life and death of Alexander the Great, King of Macedon in ten books, Book 10

                Curtius taking from Cleitarchus, a court historian under Ptolemy I, who was there. It's a pre-Abrahamic religion society, there's bound to be different attitudes. On certain things

                >If Alex was so in love with Hephaestion then why would he willingly cuck himself by marrying him to a Persian woman

                Because you need to marry a woman to have children and a successor. Here's Diodorus Siculus' account of the motives for Phillip II's
                assassination.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because you need to marry a woman to have children and a successor
                Why have multiple wives, especially one from an irrelevant hill tribe who he was said to lust over?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hey, it also says he kissed all the soldiers that went to see him. That means he had thousands of lovers!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you thought greeks were gay based from the few drawings on pots and couple sentences than every frickin male on the planet now would be flaming homosexual. If you gonna use that metric at least try applying to present time to see how how it scales in homosexualry.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You get your history knowledge from pop sci and reddit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that a kippah? LMAO

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you think they still celebrate Hanukkah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's hilarious that israelites seethed so hard they psyop'd everyone into thinking ancient greeks were gay when the greeks were actually just clowning on israelites by depicting israelites as tiny gay twinks with micropenises who got assfricked by superior men.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >oy vey you're gay for fricking me

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So much degeneracy in the world right now

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Black person please. The Romans regularly got up to shit that would make your average Progressive enclave look like a Mormon book club. Hell, we don't even have people fighting to the death for our entertainment any more.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The absolute cope ITT is hilarious.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >famously known
      Yeah, by modern israelites.
      Not until last few decades did this "gay Greece" theory propped up in israelite academia.
      All based of like 10 degenerate images out of millions of art piece left from Greece.

      And i bet those art pieces were faked by israelites.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not until last few decades did this "gay Greece" theory propped up in israelite academia.
        see

        Lots of israelites in this thread trying to spread the LIE that the "Greek homosexual myth" was only invented recently. In fact these israelites have been lying about it for TWO THOUSAND YEARS... and managed to convince most of Christian civilisation of their wicked distortion of history as well.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >word word words
          Dont care
          israelites can write what ever, nothing they say makes sense

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's because you can't read and get your knowledge of history from lisping youtubers and cigarette cards.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              As long as what i know dosnt come from israelite propaganda im happy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        boy you are real fricking stupid

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >documentary
    >dye the guy's hair blond
    >let it grow out slightly so you can see the un-died roots
    >also has obviously dark stubble and eyebrows

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hehe Greeks were a diverse and multiracial society of POC lolol nordcucks
    >ummmmm achuawy the greeks are yhte (when we need to ritual humiliate White people) lol look how gay and yhte they are!!!

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >leather apron club does video explaining why the Greeks and Romans weren’t even gay and actually punished the receiving partner in anal sex harshly
    >also makes a video simply MENTIONING how many israelites are on Joe rogan in comparison to the gen pop
    >Brett Weinstein, known Epstein compatriot gets mad on joe rogan as a result
    That’s really all you need to know. Maybe Alexander did have homosexual relationships. He and his men were out there doing bad shit a long ass time. But the concept of being “gay” is itself a modern invention.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      greek homosexualry is a MYTH

      FACTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E

      >this one random YouTuber who is completely unbiased with no ideological preference told me to believe this despite overwhelming evidence and historians saying otherwise

      it’s fine to be skeptic and look at opposing viewpoints but the fact you people are so easily persuaded just because it aligns with your feelings makes you look absolutely moronic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The whole Greeks were gay is just pop-history, like Napoleon being short. Except by 2010 it became dogmatic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is pure projection on your part because you can't even consider the facts presented.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you’re moronic for listening to literal facts and a well reasoned argument
        Found the libtard. Ironic considering you believe the “facts” of the narrative quite easily yourself.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're a closeted homosexual and trying to rationalize it.

        Ancient Greece was just as homophobic as the rest of Western civilization, and all these homosexuals denying it are just consumers of goyslop "history" made by anti-white israelites, hollywood homosexuals, and the naive morons who studied under them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They were pederasts which is absolutely worse. Keep coping though

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who the frick is "They"? There has always been an absolute minority of pedophiles in every human civilization to have ever existed, and the greeks condemned and shamed that sort of behavior just like most other civilizations. Stop rationalizing your mental illness by pretending it was normal in history, subhuman.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No they didn’t. You are highlighting a minority that disliked the behavior while Romans and other based civilizations mocked the Greeks (both spartan and Athenians) for it. Again they weren’t fricking grown men in the ass or anything but they absolutely were ramming their rods into beardless twinks

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          all these guys deceived by israelites?

          Lots of israelites in this thread trying to spread the LIE that the "Greek homosexual myth" was only invented recently. In fact these israelites have been lying about it for TWO THOUSAND YEARS... and managed to convince most of Christian civilisation of their wicked distortion of history as well.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it’s fine to be skeptic and look at opposing viewpoints but the fact you people are so easily persuaded just because it aligns with your feelings makes you look absolutely moronic
        Ironic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good post, you angered all the coping "muh ancient heroism" homosexuals

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There were plenty of hoes to frick. They used to have a bunch of them follow the army along with the food cookers and smiths.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw no Greek femboywife

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tomboys are superior, yes

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    greek homosexualry is a MYTH

    FACTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (side note, the implication that a couple Athenian philosophers represent the legal and cultural tradition of the several disparate Hellene cultures in the land we now call Greece is just as historically illiterate as claiming that any guy fricking a guy in "Ancient Greece" was equivalent to a modern gay culturally)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole Greeks were gay is just pop-history, like Napoleon being short. Except by 2010 it became dogmatic.

      this is a myth as well, they weren't gay

      My dudes.

      They would unironically get fit, oil themselves up and flex their muscles at each other to help themselves win arguments in debates.

      The greeks were fruity as frick. No straight man would do shit like that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. doesn't mud wrestle with his bros after cracking open a cold one

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's cool. If you don't have the power to back up your argument why the frick should I respect what you have to say? If it looks like I could take you in a fight and you're talking to me stupid then what's stopping me from overpowering you in a group dynamic and intimidating or outright fighting you down? That's why they did that. You can't respect the opinion of men who are voluntarily weak.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You should be able to actually figure out if what someone is saying is true, regardless of whether they could beat you in a fight or not. Truth is truth and lies are lies no matter whose lips they stem from.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ancient post physique
        truly the greeks were wiser than we will ever understand

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally who?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The truth is that the greeks used to frick little boys and twinks, both are androgynous and look feminine and hairless

    They didn't frick hairy crusty men

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Homosexuality is a israeli tool of deceit, therefore when historical figures are painted as gay degenerates, I take it with a significant pinch of salt.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were not gay but considered w*men to be of less value than slaves.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s unironically what modern gay men believe

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A twink may grow into a fine strong man.
        A woman never will.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were right.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >historians be like

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alexander took a castrated ladyboy as one of his concubines. He didn't kiss old bearded men like a homosexual:

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bidengays vote against their own economic interests

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Know a ton of these people from hanging out on FFXIV and this is about as perfectly accurate as it gets.
      It would be hilarious too if not for the dad that indeed is usually absent or depressed about the state of things

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i always wondered why XIV specifically when there's no actual fricked up canon sex shit (the MSQ is completely sexless and there's not a single troony character in the entire setting) then they added hunchback cat shit just for the westerners which made it all make sense

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, but he only fricked little boys as was his culture of the time

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wouldnt surprise me. hetrosexuality just gets in the way of progress, no joke. degenerate homosexuals dont have to watch tv shows like "friends", keep the house in order, repair the roof just to get a blowjob, they just grab the nearest guy with an earring, go ham on that ass like its hiroshima, and get up the next day with that glow (like hiroshima) and get shit DONE.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alexander the Great was an Ancient Greek, anon. It’s probably not far from the truth.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was nice that they turned him gay so quickly. Usually the israelites wait and episode or two (or even a season) before going full on screen homosexualry. Saved me a lot of time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      honestly id consider you full blown homosexual for even watching netflix for 8 entire minutes, but hey, im just straight, what do i know

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I heard this was modern invention to normalize modern homosexuality.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      forgot to put that pic that illustrates my point succinctly

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If being gay was completely normal and accepted, then why is it so rarely mentioned in the history books? If Achilles and Patroclus were gay then why didn't Homer just say so, if it was no big deal? Instead it's explicitly pointed out that they both slept with slave women.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alexander the great was one of the greatest men to have ever lived, he even made the first Caesar cry in shame.

    Id bet the farm him being gay is just a israeli invention. israeli historians are often blatantly biased against europeans or italians, as a knower this is especially blatant when you read what they wrote about the punic wars. They also come up with all sort of excuses why stories of a famous person in history couldnt have actually done what he did because "it would be too extraordinary if he managed to do that" like no shit you fricking heeb thats why they tell stories about him, he did something extraordinary.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally nothing in the primary sources of him being gay. Just wishful thinking of some gay people

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Literally nothing in the primary sources of him being gay. Just wishful thinking of some gay people

        >But this his liberality was the occasion of his death: for when he had presented all the Kings Friends with Gifts above their desire, he honoured not Bagoas the Eunuch with any Gifts at all, whom Alexander espe∣cially favoured for the use of his body, by which he did oblige the King unto him: There were therefore some that gave him admonition how much Alexander esteemed Bagoas; but he answered them

        Quintus Curtius: The life and death of Alexander the Great, King of Macedon in ten books, Book 10

        Curtius taking from Cleitarchus, a court historian under Ptolemy I, who was there. It's a pre-Abrahamic religion society, there's bound to be different attitudes. On certain things

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Quintus Curtius
          Roman Historian. I'm curious why they only quote historians after Alexander's death about him being homosexual, even stating those historians used Ptolemy I as reference, yet we have no reference of Ptolemy I (one of Alexander's legitimate historians and successor) ever giving mentioning of Alexander's sexuality.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Roman Historian
            Roman Historian who wrote his history using other sources such as the memoirs of the Diadochi and court historians.

            >yet we have no reference of Ptolemy I (one of Alexander's legitimate historians and successor) ever giving mentioning of Alexander's sexuality.

            That's because 99% of ancient texts are lost lmao. And Ptolemy wasn't a historian? You don't know what the frick you're talking about but you want to argue? From the limited sources we have, we have multiple examples of Alexander's being intimate with men, why is that?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And Ptolemy wasn't a historian?
              Ptolemy I Soter != Ptolemy, you fricking absolute moronic Black person

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ptolemy I Soter was a king, not a historian, what are you saying?

                >Because you need to marry a woman to have children and a successor
                Why have multiple wives, especially one from an irrelevant hill tribe who he was said to lust over?

                Because that was the macedonian custom, if not the ancient world custom.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ptolemy I Soter was a king, not a historian
                Not sure if you are legitimately this moronic troony but idc I'm only sharing this info show how moronic you gay homosexual Black folk are.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeh, he used what's called a ghostwriter to write memoirs which historians later used. People like Churchill or Teddy Roosevelt aren't called historians because they wrote autobiographies. He was a king first, as a successor to Alexander, not a fricking historian.

                Don't be an butthole when you're such a fricking idiot.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                During Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt's time majority of people could both read and write on their own vs in Hellenistic Greece you'd be in the top 0.1% to be able read AND write any language. He is a historian solely because he wrote down present actions and movements that turned into history.

                You are an moron for not being practical nor logical. Please go back to fricking trannies buttholes now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's not a historian, he's a general who wrote a lost primary source. Historians use those primary sources to write histories. An inventory list from mesopotamia is a primary source of economic activity for that area, but the merchant that wrote that list isn't a historian.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Xenophon came along and made you look like a moron.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Xenophon came along and made you look like a moron.
                Xenophon was a polymath who actually was a historian, writing histories on people like Cyrus the great, or the Hellenica, which is a recounting of Greek history of a certain era, or some Socratic dialogues. He certainly wrote by his own hand, rather than using a ghostwriter like Ptolemy would have. Try again dawg

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And the anabasis, his own personal account of the event...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The event being the march to the sea that some greek mercenaries did to get home after a disastrous expedition. Xenophon is most known for the Anabasis anyway, why would I need to mention that if I already knew about his lesser known works? Grasping at straws for a gotcha.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because you seemed to think a general writing an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed means he isn't a historian

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you seemed to think a general writing an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed means he isn't a historian

                >an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed

                That's called autobiography/memoirs, there's a whole section of them in any bookstore. Historians used his memoirs to write their histories. He's not a historian because he didn't study/work in history the way someone like Callisthenes was

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By that I mean, Ptolemy wasn't a historian

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you seemed to think a general writing an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed means he isn't a historian

                >an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed

                That's called autobiography/memoirs, there's a whole section of them in any bookstore. Historians used his memoirs to write their histories. He's not a historian because he didn't study/work in history the way someone like Callisthenes was

                In addition, in response to

                Because you seemed to think a general writing an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed means he isn't a historian

                , you also ignore all the other works I listed where he wasn't just a "general writing an account of events that happened during his lifetime ".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ignored because they weren't relevant, his writing of the anabasis itself made him a historian

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                his career as a historian isn't relevant? The fact that he wrote history works on Greece as a whole and on persian kings isn't relevant?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not in whether or not the writing of the anabasis by itself would have made him a historian or not

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That alone doesn't make him a historian, no. You're missing the meaning of primary sources. Creating a primary source doesn't make you a historian.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >semantics
                Primary sources can be written by historians. Now, go back to plebbit with your secondary source semantical nonsense troony.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd say it depends on the kind if primary source you're creating. If you're writing a long document account of events that happened then yea it does. Just like I'd say Caesar was a historian too for writing his civil wars

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just like I'd say Caesar was a historian too for writing his civil wars

                I'd say Caesar was writing politically motivated material to generate interest and support in his cause that he could use to his advantage. Plus at least one of the gallic wars books was written by a third party. No one would call Caesar a historian, you're just showing the absurdity of your argument. He's writing a war memoir.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently not

                >Caesar was an accomplished author and historian as well as a statesman; much of his life is known from his own accounts of his military campaigns

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What other histories did he write besides stuff that affected his own life which could be considered memoirs? Did he write about the Greeks or the Persians? Claudius is a historian. Caesar is a general who wrote memoirs which served as primary sources. You don't have to be a historian to create a primary source, I must repeat.

                >writing politically motivated material to generate interest and support in his cause that he could use to his advantage
                Isn't that what history is all about?

                The study of history to some extent is what history is all about.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Caesar is a general who wrote memoirs which served as primary sources.

                And yet he is still considered a historian

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                according to the wikipedia article you wrote, sure. Give me one more link that explicitly calls him a historian.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >writing politically motivated material to generate interest and support in his cause that he could use to his advantage
                Isn't that what history is all about?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He's not a historian, he's a general who wrote a lost primary source. Historians use those primary sources to write histories.
                i bet being this moronic is nice and happy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because that was the macedonian custom, if not the ancient world custom.

                It was the custom for men to lust over women? Yea, I agree

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That's because 99% of ancient texts are lost lmao
              Brain dead, no history that used him as a source mentions any gayness, only the exact opposite, of his infatuation with Roxanne.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You lack reading comprehension, I showed you the existent sources. None of Ptolemy's work directly exists, we don't know what he said or not.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So your example I'd a non primary source. Genius

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are no primary sources still existing, genius, and that historian had access to all the royal records and one of Alexander's generals, whose power rested on his association with Alexander.

            These sources are the oldest and closest to Alexander that we have.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's also the most inaccurate, so much that some think he was writing about tiberius, literally copying an event in Roman period.

              >. His work is fluidly written, but reveals ignorance of geography, chronology, and technical military knowledge, focusing instead on the character. According to Jona Lendering: ..the real subject was not Alexander, but the tyranny of Tiberius and Caligula. (It can be shown that Curtius Rufus' description of the trial of Philotas is based on an incident during the reign of Tiberius)...Curtius copies Cleitarchus' mistakes, although he is not an uncritical imitator.[3

              Adrian states nothing about him being gay and that the only time he showed lost was for Roxanne.

              But yea the guy with multiple wives was really gay like you...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But yea the guy with multiple wives was really gay like you...

                Nice one there man, too bad I'm secure in myself to let anon libel get to me. you can't even understand that people in different cultures had different attitudes. I don't say he was 100% gay, I say he was at least bisexual.

                To quote the same wikipedia article, on Arrian,

                >He is not interested in the King's private life

                So him not mentioning the King's private romantic life and only focusing on his wedding to the barbarians that he must show at least some political favor towards (plus he also probably just genuinely liked her). Plutarch mentions Alexander doing gay shit as well.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So him not mentioning the King's private romantic life
                Except Arrian does multiple times, and when he does it only mentions a heterosexual desire and limited at that.

                >Plutarch mentions Alexander doing gay shit as well.
                Such as? Bagoas? Never described as some relationship, just that his troops cheered him on to kiss him when they were all drunk. Doesn't really give details about it. Plutarch also says he slept with a bunch of woman.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alexander never did anything else besides whacking his neighbors and then moving on to the next neighbor. Conquest alone doesn't make a man "one of the greatest." That's just bandit chief behavior, like Attila the Hun or Genghis Khan. There's no respect in that. There's no greatness in that.
      Even Caesar had the sense to sit the frick down and think about governance or building stuff.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_founded_by_Alexander_the_Great
        he founded at least a dozen across the middle east

        >Even Caesar had the sense to sit the frick down and think about governance or building stuff.
        Alexander was dead by the age of 31, he simply didn't have time

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He was a great military leader. And he was also just insanely courageous, leading charges, being the first one to go over the walls. Those may not be things you value but they were to basically everyone throughout history

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they turned him gay
    He was gay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based on what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My dreams

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gay
    >bad

    [...]

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but they're literally sub humans

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >end wokeness

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the greeks invented gayness

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Movie about Alexander
    >Its about him being a homosexual
    >Movie about Napoleon
    >Its about him being a loser cuck
    >Movie about Cleopatra
    >It’s about her being actually black
    Lol

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread will be used as evidence of homosexuality by the next culture

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >King Alexander, too, was quite excessively keen on boys: according to Dicaearchus in On the Sacrifice at Troy, he was so taken with the eunuch Bagoas that under the eyes of the whole theater he bent over to give him a kiss, and when the audience shouted and applauded, he very willingly bent over and kissed him again. Charon of Chalcis—so says Carystius in Historical Notes--had a beautiful boy who was devoted to him. Alexander remarked on his beauty during a drinking bout hosted by Craterus. Charon told his boy to give Alexander a kiss. "No!" said the king. "That would pain you more than it would please me."
    Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae 13.602
    >When Alexander arrived at the palace of Gedrosia, he restored the army with a festival. It is said that he got drunk and watched choral competitions. His eromenos Bagoas won in the dancing and he traversed the theater in his costume and sat down beside him. Seeing this, the Macedonians applauded and shouted out, bidding Alexander kiss him, until he embraced him and kissed him deeply
    Plutarch, Alexander 67.8
    >Alexander laid a wreath on Achilles' tomb and Hephaestion on Patroclus', hinting that he was Alexander's eromenos, as Patroclus was of Achilles.
    Aelian, Varia Historia 12.7
    >Euxenippus was still very young and a favourite of Alexander's because he was in the prime of his youth, but though he rivaled Hephaestion in good looks he could not match him in charm, since he was rather effeminate.
    Curtius, The History of Alexander 7.9.19
    >Alexander ordered the temples of Asclepius to be burned, when his eromenos died.
    Epictetus, Discourses 2.22.17
    >If you wish to become beautiful and good, throw the rags on your head and come to us. However you will not be able to do it, because you are held by Hephaestion's thighs.
    Diogenes, Letter 24 to Alexander (in the Cynic epistles)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meanwhile nothing in any contemporary source states that at all, just a few written hundreds of years later

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of israelites in this thread trying to spread the LIE that the "Greek homosexual myth" was only invented recently. In fact these israelites have been lying about it for TWO THOUSAND YEARS... and managed to convince most of Christian civilisation of their wicked distortion of history as well.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >turned him gay
    he quite famously had a male lover, read a book

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not in any contemporary source. They say the opposite basically. That the only time he experienced lust was for Roxanne

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's pretty common knowledge that he and his buddy Hephaestion were "more then just friends".

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Alexander, upon his conquering of Persia, is said to have taken King Darius' eunuch Bagoas as his lover. Hephaestion unfortunately perished from fever the year before Alexander's death – Alexander was said to be devastated & 'lay weeping on his comrade for a day & night before being pried away'.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The lawgiver gave much thought to the benefits of moderation in eating and also to the isolation of women, so that they not have many children. To this end he devised intercourse with males.
    Aristotle, Politics 2.10, 127a22-26

    >And many men, overall, prefer love with boys to love with females. In the very cities of Greece that have the best laws by comparison with others, this is the mode of behaviour that is fashionable.
    Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae 13.601

    >Solon also wrote a law forbidding a slave to practise gymnastics or have a boy lover, thus putting the matter in the category of honour and dignified practices, and in a way inciting the worthy to that which he forbade the unworthy.
    Plutarch, Life of Solon 1.3

    >The same lawgiver said: 'The slave is not to be the lover of a free boy, nor to pursue him, or else he is to receive fifty lashes with the public whip'. But he did not prevent the free man from being a lover, from associating with or pursuing a boy, nor did he think that this brought harm to the boy, but saw it as a testimony to his self-control
    Aeschines, Against Timarchus 138-9

    >The other Greeks either do as the Boeotians do, where man and boy are joined as couples and live together, or like the Eleans, who get to enjoy the charms of boys by making them grateful; there are also those who wholly prevent boy-lovers from conversing with boys. . . . In moost of the Greek cities the laws do not oppose men's desire for boys.
    Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaimonians 2.12-14

    Um... bros...????? This can't be happening! You told me the Greeks were not homosexuals!!

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw no kino about The Maccabees

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being 15 and having a rich daddy that serves as a mentor, teaches you philosophy, how to behave, how to train your body, buys you gift and introduces you to sex. Better than spending your teens sitting down on a bench smoking pot like a did.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like they'd kill him apparently

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's called "Greek Sex" for a reason.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >twitter screencap
    >end wokeness

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >words have less substance unless they are written on paper
      The mind of Cinemaphile

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They got word of him and found him at lunch with some foreigners in a lodging-house. Misgolas and Phaedrus threatened the foreigners and ordered them to follow straight to the lock-up for having corrupted a free youth

    Why was it such a bad thing for guys to be gay with each other?

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The guy he is kissing is way too old. Most Greek men fricked boys until the boys could grow beards and they themselves could afford wives

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chuds be like
    >Greeks weren’t gay they just liked to frick boys which is based and redpilled

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gays be like, we are pedophiles just like the Greeks

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand why you guys need homosexual practice not to have been widespread in Greece. It's over two thousand years removed from you; despite many of their social institutions being foundational to broader ideas of Western civilization, the society itself would have appeared deeply alien to any of you if you found yourself in it. You treat ancient civilizations as if they're fricking fandoms.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Athenians were pedos but not gay. Spartans were pedos who often were borderline gay. In fact the Athenians had to rely on the sacred band (an actually homosexual militia) to save them from the Spartans at one point. So yeah, the only way greeks could win against the homosexualry of sparta was to get an even gayer army to defend them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So you're saying that America must form a battalion of bear gays to defend her interests?

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Abrahamic W

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as if there needed to be any further proof of how gay atheists are

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine trusting ameriglobo incels who barely understand English over classical scholars and Roman scholars (who routinely mocked Greeks for raping boys.) Cicero himself wrote a satirical poem (in the style of a greek poet) about wanting to frick his slave boy at one point. That’s how obvious Greek pederasty was to the ancient world

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everyone in ancient time was gay as frick. this was before christianity made it uncool

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >yes, only the other day, in an assembly of the people threw off his cloak and leaped about like a gymnast, half naked, his body so reduced and befouled through drunkenness and lewdness that right-minded men, at least, covered their eyes, being ashamed for the city, that we should let such men as he be our advisers

    Homobros! I thought the Greeks were just like us!

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don’t chuds just embrace the historical fact that geeks were pedos rather than homos? Seems like an easy win

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao that's actually the rare occurrence of Netflix not gaywashing historical figures. Ole Alex was as bent as a boomerang.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was a eunuch. This is basically trans-erasure, gaying the trans away. Trans culture is far older than gay culture and is being rediscovered thanks to tiktok and tumblr and places they can't control. Twitter was also out of control but now is firmly back where it belongs. israelites like Shapiro libs rowling hate the idea of it.
    Bagoas had no beard. The 2004 film is probably more accuratr from clips I saw.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >And this wretch was not ashamed to abandon his father's house and live with Misgolas, a man who was not a friend of his father's, nor a person of his own age, but a stranger, and older than himself, a man who knew no restraint in such matters, while Timarchus himself was in the bloom of youth

    Why did it matter that the man was older than himself?

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They got word of him and found him at lunch with some foreigners in a lodging-house. Misgolas and Phaedrus threatened the foreigners and ordered them to follow straight to the lock-up for having corrupted a free youth

    Prison? Just for some casual gay sex?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *raped

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Corrupted,not outraged

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And this wretch was not ashamed to abandon his father's house and live with Misgolas, a man who was not a friend of his father's, nor a person of his own age, but a stranger, and older than himself, a man who knew no restraint in such matters, while Timarchus himself was in the bloom of youth

      Why did it matter that the man was older than himself?

      I just realized that Socrates was killed for fricking the boys he was supposed to be teaching

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No more "corrupting" the youth

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ye ancient Greeks were gay. Except they fricked cute young twinks not ugly beard arabs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and they didn't do anal ( or even oral )

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See that always confused me. If an adult man was so inclined towards another adult man (rather than a boy) would they just jerk each other off while drinking wine and discussing philosophy?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          huh ?

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Alexander the Great was gay
    >conquers the known world, has a wife and kids
    >OP is gay
    >spends all day on twitter b***hing that the patraichary is oppressing him because nobody will accept that his Sam x Frodo fanfiction is canon
    You are not the same.

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Misgolas is such a man. He happens, indeed, to be of my own age, and was in the cadet corps with me;1 we are now in our forty-fifth year. I am quite gray, as you see, but not he. Why do I speak of this? Because I fear that,seeing him for the first time, you may be surprised,and some such thought as this may occur to you: “Heracles! This man is not much older than Timarchus.” For not only is this youthful appearance characteristic of the man, but moreover Timarchus was already past boyhood when he used to be in his company

    Weird how this guy being older was such a big deal, I don't get it

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What a disgusting society. I’m glad turkey conquered them.

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    of course, they all were back then
    alexander in particular was known for fricking a eunuch boy

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but thought of one thing only, of getting him to be paymaster for his own disgusting lusts;

    Why's it a disgusting lust

  62. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  64. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Blonde
    >white
    >heterochromia, one eye is blue the other is green
    >pretty
    >super talented general
    >conquers everything he feels like
    Alexander is such a fricking mary sue

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's David Bowie!
      Also, RIP shit coping thread

  65. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  66. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Alexander (2004) told me he was.

  67. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  70. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The theory that greeks and romans were black is starting to make sense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're so american, it's embarassing

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you have a single verifiable source to back that up?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          your obsession over american Black homosexuals

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry but I don't trust that source

  71. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the most believably gay historical character I've seen in an outrage bait thread kek

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      Anonymous

      Cicero was a politician, not a historian, love the guy but he flipflopped on his opinions constantly to appease the crowd

  74. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, I watched the Oliver Stone movie.

  75. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest problem with the show is them just straight up fabricating shit like Alexander fricking Darius' wife then sending him a letter about it and the appalling job they do explaining his tactics, but of course the gay shit (which is possible but we don't know) is all ultra right wingers focus on. Make it political and they won't change.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's all a symptom of the same apathy

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    Anonymous

    Imagine the smelly unwaxed hairy asses. I get if the twink is smooth down there but if there is a swamp jungle and you would still frick his ass it's 100% gay.

  78. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    ?si=FGPyLNJz9dl__7XO
    moronic subersive israelite Black folk. I would curb stomp your neanderthal skulls in.

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    >There are people who genuinely believe that 3000 years ago men werent shoving dicks up each others asses for hedonistic pleasure
    >During the most hedonistic and bleak times in human history where the only fun thing to do WAS shove dicks up each others asses
    O im laffin. There's this weird headcanon where people think that life before 1960 every single person was some morally upright citizen who believed in the same right wing fundamentalist christian talking points.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most people were morally upstanding. Miss the time when this behaviour would warrent the death penalty

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most people were morally upstanding.
        This is also the time frame where people would go watch someone get murdered for fun, fricking moron

        women existed back then you dumb homosexual, and gay hedonistic assfrickery was an almost exclusively corrupt liberal homosexual urbanite thing back then same as it is today.

        >women existed back
        Yeah, and after they fricked their girl, theyd turn around and frick their boy. Not a difficult concept to understand

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >would go watch someone get murdered for fun, fricking moron
          Good, bring back public executions. Hopefully that guy in el salvador brings them back, he seems to be doing well

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gladiatorial games were bloodsports akin to MMA, it was very rare for a gladiator to be killed because it was expensive for the ludi, most of the kills ended up being that of exotic animals.

          see my example here [...]

          >If Alex was so in love with Hephaestion then why would he willingly cuck himself by marrying him to a Persian woman

          Because you need to marry a woman to have children and a successor. Here's Diodorus Siculus' account of the motives for Phillip II's
          assassination.

          Only contemporary account is Aristotle and he tells us that Pausanias was slighted by Attalus and that led to him killing Philip, even if the embellished account is true, it's more of a tale of favoritism and a guy getting raped getting revenge rather than a tale of a scorned homosexual lover
          >Because you need to marry a woman to have children and a successor
          Or as the famous interaction between Alex, Sisygambis and Hephaestion shows us, Alexander had such a deep brotherly bond with Hephaestion that he literally saw him as an extension to himself, a fact that is obvious considering how much he managed his life to be similar to his own, even wanting to deify him as he had deified himself.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeh idk about Alexander and Hephaestion, I personally think they were just friends like Achilles and Patroclus, but that doesn't take away that the Greeks had different attitudes on homosexuality than the post Abrahamic religion european civilization. Nothing Aristotle says contradicts the story told in that image shared, the basic gist is the exact same.

            You have to also admit that the language used is definitely romantic (>Loved by Phillip for his good looks). Why deny what's on the page?

            All these arguments revolve around rejecting what the existing sources tell us.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              by Phillip for his good looks
              Greeks idealized beauty in all its forms in a non-sexual manner, why are you being disingenuous?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would 100% straight men appreciate male beauty? I don't think you even read the image I linked if I'm being honest. At least others are arguing about the trustfullness/validity of the post itself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Would 100% straight men appreciate male beauty?
                Yes
                It's one of the reasons why people like athletes and action movie stars
                It's why Henry Cavill and gigachad are a meme

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm 100% straight, I can attest that if you find something beautiful and it so happens to be male, if you say "no homo" at the end, you're golden.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So would you let another man become "the object of your affections" (to directly quote the text) based on those good looks? And you would consider yourself 100% straight?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you were raised in a culture where admiring beauty objectively regardless of sex was common then theoretically yes, the current zeitgeist is people obsessing over overly handsome masculine figures as a longing for a less emasculated era.
                People that spam gigachads/mogging or other hypermasculine memes aren't gay, they're simply admiring an ideal.
                Simply think of the common adage, women want him, men want to BE him.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you were raised in a culture

                See, different cultures have different practices and attitudes, and one of those differing attitudes was towards homosexual acts.
                >the current zeitgeist is people obsessing over overly handsome masculine figures as a longing for a less emasculated era.
                Which is why people get so triggered at the thought that ancient figures may have done gay shit.

                Sure, and when it comes to Alexander it's basically wishful thinking. He isn't described anywhere as sleeping with a bunch of men, which you believe would have been totally normal.

                >He isn't described anywhere as sleeping with a bunch of men, which you believe would have been totally normal.

                All I know of is Bagoas, that's a single man. And I also added the example of Phillip II, his father, in an earlier post.

                >He's not a historian, he's a general who wrote a lost primary source. Historians use those primary sources to write histories.
                i bet being this moronic is nice and happy

                You would know.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All I know of is Bagoas, that's a single man.
                Yea, that's why I included it on the list of who he is claimed to have slept with. A bunch of women and one eunuch (of which there are other conflicting accounts)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeh, you're correct. All I'm saying is that Alexander slept with a man and homosexual acts where seen different from today in Ancient Greece, where as long as you weren't the receiver, it was accepted. It wasn't a 24/7 gay club with gay couples everywhere.

                >and one of those differing attitudes was towards homosexual acts
                nice whataboutism

                Great argument buddy

                What a fictional world you must live in.

                Ok lmao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you seemed to think a general writing an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed means he isn't a historian

                >an account of events that happened during his lifetime which he personally witnessed

                That's called autobiography/memoirs, there's a whole section of them in any bookstore. Historians used his memoirs to write their histories. He's not a historian because he didn't study/work in history the way someone like Callisthenes was

                kys homosexual

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All I'm saying is that Alexander slept with a man

                Maybe? Depends on what source you go with/believe. The one with known inaccuracies and is thought to have been about tiberius or all the others where he isn't said to have slept with bagoas

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Curtius and Plutarch both mention Bagoas and Alexander being romantic with each other, maybe Curtius was about Tiberius, maybe not, but why would Plutarch write about Tiberius?

                >Depends on what source you go with/believe
                Yeh, that's true, and there's multiple sources saying that. All the arguments revolve around denying what the sources state for various reasons. .

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Curtius
                >Curtius taking from Cleitarchus, a court historian under Ptolemy I, who was there. It's a pre-Abrahamic religion society, there's bound to be different attitudes. On certain things
                The Curtis that used Ptolemy the general, not historian?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He used the memoirs of Ptolemy the general to write his history

                >Curtius and Plutarch both mention Bagoas and Alexander being romantic with each other, maybe Curtius was about Tiberius, maybe not, but why would Plutarch write about Tiberius?

                Plutarch doesn't mention him sleeping with bagoas though as far as I recall. Just the kiss at the party

                >We are told, too, that he was once viewing some contests in singing and dancing, being well heated with wine, and that his favourite, Bagoas, won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theatre and took his seat by Alexander's side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.

                Throwing arms around someone and kissing that someone tenderly is romantic

                This is from plutarch btw, part 7

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never said it isn't romantic, just that it's never said he slept with him in Plutarch, he's mentioned once? In passing. Kissed after his men cheered him on to do it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's pretty gay anon, I've never wrapped my arms around a man and kissed him tenderly.

                >semantics
                Primary sources can be written by historians. Now, go back to plebbit with your secondary source semantical nonsense troony.

                See I write
                >Creating a primary source doesn't make you a historian.
                and you respond with...
                >Primary sources can be written by historians

                Lacking reading comprehension. Good job with that plebbit insult, I've never seen that before.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's pretty gay anon, I've never wrapped my arms around a man and kissed him tenderly.

                I agree, the equivalent would be you go to a party, get really drunk, which Macedonians are known for, with a bunch of your friends and they cheer you own to kiss a troony.

                Was that a gay act? For sure. Does it make you gay? Maybe

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see your point, but then the Curtius rufus account has more explicit examples of Alexander's interest in Bagoas as well.

                I just think he was bisexual because the Greeks had different attitudes, that doesn't take away from his achievements in life or anything. All the arguments against it revolve around denying the sources.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea like I said, just depends on what source you want to go with. Basically 1, known to be inaccurate and thought to maybe have been about tiberius given some copied events mentions that. If you have only read the others you'd think he's clearly straight either listing after one woman and being restrained or sleeping with a bunch of women

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, it's hard to know. Arrian also ignores Alexanders' drinking bouts, for the most part, and I must remind you about Arrian >He is not interested in the King's private life, to quote wikipedia. The anti-bisexual arguments all require extra justification or some hypotheticals (like maybe he was criticizing Tiberius)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He is not interested in the King's private life

                Yea, but arrian still does mention it. He mentions Roxana being the one time he gave into his lust

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                true, true, he was still interested in women, I agree. I'm not arguing against that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right, so it's not hard to take an anti bisexuality stance since if you look at everything as a whole it doesn't really suggest that. Especially if you don't think the drunk party kiss makes him bi

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Besides the party kiss, you still have the Rufus work that says Alexander enjoyed Bagoas' body. So looking at everything as a whole, you should consider the fact that he could be bi.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea which goes against the other accounts

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Curtius and Plutarch both mention Bagoas and Alexander being romantic with each other, maybe Curtius was about Tiberius, maybe not, but why would Plutarch write about Tiberius?

                Plutarch doesn't mention him sleeping with bagoas though as far as I recall. Just the kiss at the party

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and one of those differing attitudes was towards homosexual acts
                nice whataboutism

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a fictional world you must live in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      women existed back then you dumb homosexual, and gay hedonistic assfrickery was an almost exclusively corrupt liberal homosexual urbanite thing back then same as it is today.

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    Anonymous

    It's simple, there was no such thing as "gay" or "straight" just "man who fricks" and "homosexual who gets fricked". It's no surprise 2000 years of Christian social conditioning has made people unable to grasp this though. You could quite easily frick a twink and then go frick your wife, and nobody would care. It was only really shameful if you were the twink taking it up the ass (and even then, mostly if you enjoyed it and welcomed it rather than tolerated it). And of course, not everyone engaged in this, most probably didn't.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Homosexuality is not natural and its disgusting and a dead end

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro I'm not even gay but animals frick each other in the ass all the time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Im not talking about natural as whats occuring in nature, but the essence of a principled act. Animals rape, commit inscest, kill their children, kidnap. Good thing humans do not and should not get their ethics from what occurs in the forest

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    >know diffence between men/women in the ancient world
    >you just fricked whomever liked
    >chuddys who never read a history book are going crazy

    Why are you so dumb?

  89. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when will the chud/MAGA shit die out? this was funny back in 2016-2019 but it's way past annoying now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      agreed, being an insufferable election tourist is one thing but historical revision is another..

      anyway im off to play ck3 to restore the roman empire under a reformed christianity where homosexuality and witchcraft(for that insane coven bonus)is accepted, wish me luck bros

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Homosexuality is sterile and a dead end,its also wrong

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine thinking mediterraneans could ever restore the empire after christianity having destroyed their minds and souls
        christhomosexualry was revitalized by integrating northern heathens and allowing their less-cucked beliefs to shape it in return

        chatholicism is the very definition of failure

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their empiree lasted until 1453z and the HRE until the 18th century

  90. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >end wokeness

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    No point arguing with election tourists and youtube repeaters

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    Greek here, I don't know if Alexander was gay or not, but who gives a shit?

    This nibba just woke up one day and decided to frick up the Persians' entire day by counter-invading them, and he did it with pure and unfiltered willpower, leadership and unparalleled strategies. That's what I wanna see, why do modern shows focus so much on people's sexuality? I just wanna watch a historical kino, not a Mexican soap opera

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alexander was Albanian....nrot gayreek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Albanian, more like Analbanian LOL

        I just remembered though, I was a super friendly guy in high school towards an Albanian guy who no one spoke to, I even helped him with his English self taught lessons by giving him my book. We never spoke again but I learned later he was we-wuzing about Albania all the way through college.

        Identity crisis is a b***h and a half.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Their tutor Aristotle described friendship in general as "one soul abiding in two bodies".[37] That they themselves considered their friendship to be of such a kind is shown by the stories of the morning after the Battle of Issus. Diodorus,[38] Arrian[39] and Curtius[40] all describe the scene—perhaps a legend—[41]when Alexander and Hephaestion went together to visit the captured Persian royal family. Its senior member, the queen Sisygambis, knelt to Hephaestion to plead for their lives, having mistaken him for Alexander because he was taller, and both young men were wearing similar clothes. When she realized her mistake she was acutely embarrassed, but Alexander pardoned her, saying "You were not mistaken, Mother; this man too is Alexander."[40] Their affection for each other was no secret, as is borne out by their own words. Hephaestion, when replying to a letter to Alexander's mother, Olympias, said "you know that Alexander means more to us than anything".[42] Arrian says that Alexander, after Hephaestion's death, described him as "the friend I valued as my own life".[43] Paul Cartledge describes their closeness when he says: "Alexander seems actually to have referred to Hephaestion as his alter ego."[44]
          Obviously they were sucking each others' dicks
          Considering modern homosexual relationships, this love between friends was stronger than the strongest homosexual "marriage"

          Alb*s are animals, let that be a lesson to you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong, Albanians mog

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Albanians and Greeks are the only real balkaners, slavs are subhuman

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is one reason and one reason only everything is now filled with relationship drama: women. Marketers finally figured out exactly what women want to watch so everything is sprinkled with it.

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    Anonymous

    People Alexander supposedly had sex with:
    Barsine
    Roxanne
    Campaspe
    Stateira
    Parysatis
    A music girl
    Women from his harem every night

    Men:
    Bagoas, of which only 1 source claims with the others giving a different account

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It makes too much sense when you put it like that for the homosexuals.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All I'm saying is that the Greeks had different attitudes and that some of them would be considered bisexual.

      Also
      >No Campaspe appears in the five major sources for the life of Alexander and the story may be apocryphal.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, and when it comes to Alexander it's basically wishful thinking. He isn't described anywhere as sleeping with a bunch of men, which you believe would have been totally normal.

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