when someone says they didn't like avengers would you say they got filtered? You can't get filtered by a movie aimed at the most normie of normies. That's not the proper usage of the word
This movie is a midwit magnet. Anyone who tries to justify it is punching above their weight. It's too smart for dumb people and too dumb for smart people.
It's opposite of a midwit magnet, smart people enjoy it because it's a fairly nonsensical gimmick that is a nice excuse for absolute kino action scenes and dumb people watch it because they want to feel smart. Most nolangays hate this movie
The premise of the film is reversing time; there's maybe five to ten minutes of reverse time action in the movie.
A car chase, a fist fight and a bizarre "land battle" where a bunch of people jog forwards and backwards in a gravel quarry without any apparent adversaries or shooting.
Numbers are irrelevant, every scene with inversion is already pushing at the logical extremes of the concept finding the most interesting things you could do with it. A lesser film maker could have written an hour of action into the film and not have come up with the right ideas to explore the concept.
>finding the most interesting things you could do with it
A fist fight, a car chase and a fake war with no opponents? Pathetic.
Try and wrap your head around an inverted assassin trying to shoot the President while a mixture of inverted and non-inverted secret service agents try and stop him.
There's nothing particularly sophisticated about that compared to what was presented in the film, and I doubt you could actually flesh out anything if you had to write that scene. Your idea is that more moving pieces = more complicated = more interesting. A punch is a very direct cause and effect event and so figuring out how two people traveling in different directions in time would fight each other, and then finding a way to make them actually the same person is much more interesting than your idea.
Quite the opposite. Midwits are the only people who don't enjoy his movies.
Smart people understand and appreciate Nolan's films. Dumb people purely enjoy their aesthetics and spectacle and think they're "badass". It's only midwits who aren't smart enough to understand them or dumb enough to just enjoy them on a purely visceral level, and that's why his movies make midwits like you so angry and defensive.
It's opposite of a midwit magnet, smart people enjoy it because it's a fairly nonsensical gimmick that is a nice excuse for absolute kino action scenes and dumb people watch it because they want to feel smart. Most nolangays hate this movie
Different anon. I don't agree with that first anon, Nolan's films aren't nonsensical at all.
Most of them aren't but Tenet didn't have a lot going for the plot, just love how Nolan used the entropy gimmick as an excuse to make some of the coolest action scenes to bless cinema
Also The Prestige is in my top 5. I just think he went too far up his own butthole with Tenet and made something fundamentally incoherent but also with a blockbuster aesthetic.
It's not incoherent if you have the patience and capacity to understand it. Tenet doesn't work for people who say stupid shit like "you should only have to watch a film once to understand it completely otherwise it's a failure", which is a dead giveaway that all you've ever been exposed to is bargain bin trash
so you're that one person in the entire world that understands and makes sense of le inverted bullets, cold turning into heat and all that shit? Because not even Nolan gets it
There are plenty of people who understand it. You're just not one of them. And you assume that if you can't figure it out it must be nonsense because you're deeply insecure about your feeble intelligence, you're completely closed-minded, likely one of those anti-intellectual types and you have the patience of a toddler.
Understand I'm not saying you have to be a genius to understand Tenet. You interpret intelligence as smugness, as most idiots do, they see intellect as ponderous and effeminate. Thus you have some kind of weird personal problem with Nolan (a man whom you have never met) and you went into the movie with the express purpose of proving that you're smarter than him rather than enjoying or appreciating the movie.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>There are plenty of people who understand it.
stopped reading there
6 months ago
Anonymous
If you can't read a paragraph of text without getting frustrated you have absolutely no hope of understanding a two and a half hour long labyrinthine science fiction epic like Tenet.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>labyrinthine science fiction epic like Tenet.
i'm kinda relieved that this was a bait and you're not an actual moron
It fundamentally doesn't make sense for time to partially flow backwards. What exactly is the mechanism by which things can be inverted, poindexter? Even Family Guy demonstrated how moronic this premise is because Stewie is nearly unbirthed but his time machine, which he built, at no point disassembles itself. You can basically use this movie to determine if someone is a true Nolan cultist. If they aren't they'll say it's unintentionally comedic slop, or if they are low IQ, that it went over their head.
you're insecure about your own intelligence. That's why you can't admit it doesn't make sense. You don't wanna come off as someone who didn't understand the movie
Again, projection. You can't admit you didn't understand it because you're insecure about your own intelligence, so you have to insist that there's nothing to understand. That's also why you think I'm somehow bragging that I understood it, because you think everyone is a boorish browbeater like you are.
It took me a few viewings to fully understand the movie. I didn't find the process frustrating, I found it fun and rewarding. It really has very little to do with intelligence and has a lot more to do with patience and emotional maturity, i.e. taking experiences on their own terms and appreciating what they have to offer rather than viewing every aspect of life as some kind of dick-measuring contest where you need to prove that you're better than everyone else. Only immature, insecure people watch movies that way.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>so you're that one person in the entire world that understands and makes sense of le inverted bullets, cold turning into heat and all that shit? Because not even Nolan gets it
so you're going to keep ignoring this?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I already addressed it directly. Maybe it was in one of those posts you stopped reading. I'm not the only person in the world that understands the movie, that's an idiotic assertion to make that isn't based on anything beyond "I don't understand it so it must be impossible to understand"
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I already addressed it directly.
show me where. It's not in a direct response to that post
>There are plenty of people who understand it. You're just not one of them. And you assume that if you can't figure it out it must be nonsense because you're deeply insecure about your feeble intelligence, you're completely closed-minded, likely one of those anti-intellectual types and you have the patience of a toddler.
>Understand I'm not saying you have to be a genius to understand Tenet. You interpret intelligence as smugness, as most idiots do, they see intellect as ponderous and effeminate. Thus you have some kind of weird personal problem with Nolan (a man whom you have never met) and you went into the movie with the express purpose of proving that you're smarter than him rather than enjoying or appreciating the movie.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>so you're that one person in the entire world that understands >There are plenty of people who understand it.
Explain to me how this is not a direct response. You want me to explain to you how temperature going up in reverse is temperature going down? I think that's pretty self-explanatory.
6 months ago
Anonymous
you literally can't do it lmao
6 months ago
Anonymous
Can't do what? What is this absurd little game you're playing where you're asking these deliberately vague, meandering, borderline incoherent questions and then pig-headedly refusing to accept that my answer to your question counts as a valid answer purely for the sake of going SEE I KNEW YOU COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT
6 months ago
Anonymous
This aggressive moron still won't explain why the inverted bullet fires from some kind of idiotic meditation from the user in scene. He will probably have a smug reply to this post, but evade answering the question.
you're giving him too much credit. he's done nothing but demonstrate that he has no ability to defend anything specific
6 months ago
Anonymous
>he won't explain the movie to me!!!1
You still haven't told me why I should.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You still haven't told me why I should.
Because it would epically pwn us all and save you from all of us laughing at your impotent tantrum
6 months ago
Anonymous
You wouldn't accept any of my explanations if I provided them. It's also a direct result of the sort of impatience that would compel you to demand that a complete stranger explain a movie you don't understand to you that you didn't understand it in the first place, so it seems like a real aggressive waste of my time.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I understand the movie very well. I just won't prove it because...just BECAUSE OKAY?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, tell me how to "prove that I understood the movie to you", as laughably absurd a statement as that is.
6 months ago
Anonymous
you can just explain shit that literally no one explained in over 3 years, not even nolan
6 months ago
Anonymous
>explain the movie to me >wait don't because you can't >... >see I knew you couldn't explain it
this is so fricking childish
6 months ago
Anonymous
so you can't. Got it
6 months ago
Anonymous
You told me not to bother because no one can explain it because it makes no sense in the same breath that you asked me to explain it. Make up your mind.
6 months ago
Anonymous
then show everyone that i'm a moron who doesn't know what he's talking about? You can't? Because of the reasons?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think I need to show everyone that you're a moron. You've done a great job of that already.
6 months ago
Anonymous
so you can't. Got it
ngl i enjoy watching you squirm
6 months ago
Anonymous
concession accepted
Desperation is an ugly cologne, newfriend.
6 months ago
Anonymous
read this as many times as you need
concession accepted
6 months ago
Anonymous
Once was enough. It's a very transparent and desperate attempt to regain some semblance of the affectation of superiority you started the thread with.
6 months ago
Anonymous
why would i need to be desperate? I'm the one challenging you to do something you claim you can and you're running away constantly
6 months ago
Anonymous
I did exactly what you challenged me to do and you said "nuh uh that doesn't count". You're just going to keep moving the goalposts and then complaining that I'm not operating within them. I can't think of anything more desperate than that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I did exactly what you challenged me to do
yet it's still not in this thread. Curious
6 months ago
Anonymous
It is though, is the thing.
Reposting to remind everyone present that the asshurt redditor fears this scene and won't even attempt to talk about it
You mean that thing I already explained at length?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>it was explained to me repeatedly and I did not understand it, therefore it hasn't ever been explained
this is more illogical than anything in the movie Tenet
6 months ago
Anonymous
By explaining the physical mechanism of inversion, like I asked you to 30 posts ago. Keep in mind all movies with travel back in time are incoherent. It's just not as in-your-face as TeneT and the ones that take themselves as seriously, like Looper, are generally bad.
Tenet makes as much sense as any time travel film. You can nitpick it apart if you have autism, but to any reasonable standard of scrutiny its mechanics are very well considered.
>its mechanics are very well considered.
it's mostly okay, but I got a bad taste early on from the backwards gun where the instructor told him to just wish hard for it to fire. that was a stupid way to handle the mechanics and it's one of the viewer's first exposures to them.
>where the instructor told him to just wish hard for it to fire
That's not what she says at all. She's also not an "instructor". You should stop punching above your weight.
If I remember correctly, she tells tenet "you have to think about dropping the bullet". He uses reverse psychology to trick the bullet into his hand. This establishes to the audience that the mind can influence time inversion from the present. And then the audience waits for the duration of the movie for the payoff to this scene, which never happens.
This aggressive moron still won't explain why the inverted bullet fires from some kind of idiotic meditation from the user in scene. He will probably have a smug reply to this post, but evade answering the question.
>the inverted bullet fires when he pulls the trigger
Oh interesting. What did all that dialogue mean during the scene then? Was that all meaningless then?
The dialogue had absolutely nothing to do with willing the bullet into the gun with telepathy or some shit. You didn't follow the scene, just admit it to yourself.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Mhmm, okay for the third time, what was it then?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You'll have to be more specific. What was what? Do you want me to just copy and paste the dialogue from the scene that explains precisely what you're confused about?
6 months ago
Anonymous
please do, you're gonna look like a moron. Just copy the whole transcript of that scene
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you want me to just copy and paste the dialogue
No I'll do it for you >Yo we running dese inverted objects wit intuition and wisdom and sheeit
go ahead here this ought to be good
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah she's talking about basic intuition. React the object as it moves rather than trying to move it. It has nothing to do with being telepathic, you flaming moron.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wow interesting. So they use basic intuition to make the inverted object do a bunch of non-causal movement but it's NOT telepathic or bullshit okay?
6 months ago
Anonymous
if you throw a ball in the air, it falls back down.
in reverse, the ball falls and you catch it, and then throw it back up.
from your perspective, the action is basically physically the same. It's a simple rudimentary motion of your arm. Moving your arm up and then back down again, or vice versa. Reacting to the weight of the ball as it enters/exits your hand.
In the scene she shows the footage forwards and backwards of him throwing/catching the bullet and says "either way the bullet moved because you interacted with it." She's telling him it's intuitive, not counter-intuitive.
It's really not even that complicated or hard to understand and it certainly has nothing to do with willing an object to move.
You're just being dense.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah you explained the catch (sort of, since the coaching on intuition still doesn't make sense), but what about all the other bullshit the bullet does afterward? Take your time, I'll wait.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why, so you can tell me it doesn't make sense because you say so?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Come on get started. we don't have all night, chop chop
6 months ago
Anonymous
What about the catch can't be extrapolated to explain the rest of the scene? Exactly how much of the legwork must I do for you before you take some fricking initiative? Why should I keep trying to explain the movie to you when after I explained the catch you said "that still doesn't make sense because I said so lol"? Why is it that I have to back up my claims but you don't, exactly? What granted you these special privileges?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just asking for an explanation of the swirly bullet hand dance. I can't believe a couple of sentences on the matter are such a Herculean task for someone as intelligent as yourself.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that works the same way that the catch does. Forwards, the bullet is moving around on the table because he's moving it. Backwards, the bullet is sliding along the table into his hand. So much like his forwards movements, when reversed, are effecting the bullet when it's inverted, the inverted bullet's movements are being motivated by his forward movements when they're reversed.
Now go ahead and tell me "that's dumb lol" and move the goalposts again. Because you're not actually interested in understanding or enjoying the movie, you just want to argue on the internet.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Backwards, the bullet is sliding along the table into his hand
Okay, but what about the dazzling spinny movements where it's sliding all around the place?
6 months ago
Anonymous
How are those not explained by what I already said?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because you're pretending that the erratic shit the bullet does is subject to the same cause and effect as the catch
Can you post a webm where you drop something and, when played in reverse the object does a bunch of INCREASINGLY IMPROBABLE, BEAUTIFUL MOVEMENTS? I think we'd all like to see how sensible and realistic that is
6 months ago
Anonymous
Each of the individual movements are being motivated by his movements, he's moving his hand around and flicking the bullet and doing all kinds of shit. Did you even watch the fricking scene? It's not like he pokes it once and it just starts bouncing all over the room. You know you're wrong at this point, don't you? You're just trying to save face.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Each of the individual movements are being motivated by his movements
Now we're getting somewhere. How do his movements motivate the bullet?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I already explained that:
Yeah, that works the same way that the catch does. Forwards, the bullet is moving around on the table because he's moving it. Backwards, the bullet is sliding along the table into his hand. So much like his forwards movements, when reversed, are effecting the bullet when it's inverted, the inverted bullet's movements are being motivated by his forward movements when they're reversed.
Now go ahead and tell me "that's dumb lol" and move the goalposts again. Because you're not actually interested in understanding or enjoying the movie, you just want to argue on the internet.
if you throw a ball in the air, it falls back down.
in reverse, the ball falls and you catch it, and then throw it back up.
from your perspective, the action is basically physically the same. It's a simple rudimentary motion of your arm. Moving your arm up and then back down again, or vice versa. Reacting to the weight of the ball as it enters/exits your hand.
In the scene she shows the footage forwards and backwards of him throwing/catching the bullet and says "either way the bullet moved because you interacted with it." She's telling him it's intuitive, not counter-intuitive.
It's really not even that complicated or hard to understand and it certainly has nothing to do with willing an object to move.
You're just being dense.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't explain why gesturing at the bullet causes any kind of physical movement. Again, any catch-drop reversed motions are fine, but what is it about the inversion mechanic that allows for all the swirly motions?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>You didn't explain why gesturing at the bullet causes any kind of physical movement
That's because he's not gesturing at it. He's moving it. With his fingers. Jesus, no wonder you didn't understand the movie. >what is it about the inversion mechanic that allows for all the swirly motions?
A spin reversed is still a spin. Take a coin and twirl it on your desk. Now how did you do that?
6 months ago
Anonymous
It plainly does not follow normal rules of movement, even when reversed. I figured you would start lying about the scene and I was right
6 months ago
Anonymous
holy shit, you're a midwit
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's funny. I figured you would at some point resort to accusing me of lying when you had no other recourse.
Like I said, you don't actually want to understand the movie better. You just want to prove it doesn't make sense. This is why I can't help you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I figured you would at some point resort to accusing me of lying when you had no other recourse
Because you were about to do it. Just accept that the swirly table stuff isn't a sensible reversal of action and move on
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Just accept that the swirly table stuff isn't a sensible reversal of action and move on
I can't, because it is
6 months ago
Anonymous
>can't, because it is
When played in reverse, he would throw it (he makes no throwing gesture during the catch by the way), it goes across the table, hits her hands, lands a couple feet from her and does a super high velocity spin. You think that's pretty normal, and maybe not a bullshitty excuse for some fun footage with no real in-universe explanation?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Just accept that the swirly table stuff isn't a sensible reversal of action and move on
If the normal spin is possible, then the reverse is also
you're all moronic. there. you can stop trying to figure out which one of you is less moronic now. it doesn't matter. no need to thank me for freeing you from this debacle of a thread.
It was okay.
He really needs to stop using Branagh as his replacement for Caine.
Branagh was not convincing at all in the role. He was shit in Oppenheimer also.
It's a given to make fun of Black folk on Cinemaphile but the black guy can't act for shit and can't carry a movie like this, also the audio mixing was awful
When I learned to just appreciate it as fancy action set pieces, and stopped trying to understand the pretty much non-existent and illogical plot, I ended up appreciating it more. It's still a flawed film though. If they had tried just a little bit harder, not necessarily to try and make it logical - because nothing about time travel is logical, but to flesh out the characters, schemes and organizations, it would be a much better film.
I'll never understand the people who say Nolan is a "tryhard trying to be smart" and his movies lack "soul" - it is pretty much the opposite almost every time. People waste their time trying to follow the gimmick to the most exacting point when the entire plot and gimmick are an excuse for Nolan to very clearly have fun designing the inverted action scenes, which are, for the most part, very cool to watch. The only one where it kinda falls apart is the final siege. But it's still clear that Nolan was just having a blast here and he even tells his audience not to bother trying to make sense of the rules.
Just so we're crystal clear, here are the posts where I explained the thing you're making fun of me for having made no attempt to explain
Yeah she's talking about basic intuition. React the object as it moves rather than trying to move it. It has nothing to do with being telepathic, you flaming moron.
if you throw a ball in the air, it falls back down.
in reverse, the ball falls and you catch it, and then throw it back up.
from your perspective, the action is basically physically the same. It's a simple rudimentary motion of your arm. Moving your arm up and then back down again, or vice versa. Reacting to the weight of the ball as it enters/exits your hand.
In the scene she shows the footage forwards and backwards of him throwing/catching the bullet and says "either way the bullet moved because you interacted with it." She's telling him it's intuitive, not counter-intuitive.
It's really not even that complicated or hard to understand and it certainly has nothing to do with willing an object to move.
You're just being dense.
What about the catch can't be extrapolated to explain the rest of the scene? Exactly how much of the legwork must I do for you before you take some fricking initiative? Why should I keep trying to explain the movie to you when after I explained the catch you said "that still doesn't make sense because I said so lol"? Why is it that I have to back up my claims but you don't, exactly? What granted you these special privileges?
Yeah, that works the same way that the catch does. Forwards, the bullet is moving around on the table because he's moving it. Backwards, the bullet is sliding along the table into his hand. So much like his forwards movements, when reversed, are effecting the bullet when it's inverted, the inverted bullet's movements are being motivated by his forward movements when they're reversed.
Now go ahead and tell me "that's dumb lol" and move the goalposts again. Because you're not actually interested in understanding or enjoying the movie, you just want to argue on the internet.
Very much in the same way that you can't get in a time machine and travel back to before the machine was built because it wasn't built yet.
If you can't suspend your disbelief enough to extrapolate and enjoy mindbending sci-fi, that's on you. Not the movie. Just admit that it isn't your thing and move on.
>Very much in the same way that you can't get in a time machine and travel back to before the machine was built because it wasn't built yet.
but that makes perfect sense so it's not in the very much the same way. You literally can't explain the wall and the bullets. Now you're hiding behind suspension of disbelief, literally admitting defeat >mindbending sci-fi
it's literally magic. There's no sci fi in this movie
>but that makes perfect sense
How? How can you travel back in time to a time before the machine that you invented to go back in time was invented? >it's literally magic. There's no sci fi in this movie
It's speculative, not hard sci-fi. That doesn't mean it's magic.
>Very much in the same way that you can't get in a time machine and travel back to before the machine was built because it wasn't built yet.
that's what you really said
I did, and I'm awaiting your response. If it's so blatantly stupid you should have no issue blowing me out of the water with your next post.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>How? How can you travel back in time to a time before the machine that you invented to go back in time was invented?
and this is what you said next. Those are two opposite things
6 months ago
Anonymous
No. They are not. They are the same thing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>"can" and "can't" are the same thing
are you making some moronic tenet joke?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You can't and how can you are the same thing, because in both instances I'm insisting that you can't. I think maybe you need to lie down.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>because in both instances I'm insisting that you can't
and i said it makes perfect sense that you can't. To which you replied this
>but that makes perfect sense
How? How can you travel back in time to a time before the machine that you invented to go back in time was invented? >it's literally magic. There's no sci fi in this movie
It's speculative, not hard sci-fi. That doesn't mean it's magic.
midwits are the ones thinking that this movie is more than it actually is, an action flick, there is nothing deep or confusing about it, the concepts are easy to understand for anyone with an IQ of around 120+ and once you do you can really enjoy how Nolan sneakily sucker punches the midwits who just don't notice
Example: The protagonist's talk with Katherine Barton. There are at least three points there where you realize how badly stitched together the plot is but Nolan never misses a beat and before the midwit can notice they just move on, awed by the pace.
I enjoyed this movie but its an IQ test and the people who like it the most fail it the hardest.
>Example: The protagonist's talk with Katherine Barton. There are at least three points there where you realize how badly stitched together the plot is but Nolan never misses a beat and before the midwit can notice they just move on, awed by the pace
It's funny you mention that. One of them is having his nose held down to this scene in this very thread and he's losing his mind
Bro. I'm having a conversation about that very scene literally *in between* your repeated insistence that I'm refusing to explain it. Everyone can see it.
It doesn't matter if it's for smart or dumb people, or if the writing is sloppy or airtight. What dooms the movie to being shit is that there's never anything worth caring about on the screen, the pacing is terrible, and the action is boring as hell. Awful flick.
So you didn't watch it once while half paying attention and then spend the next three years demanding that strangers explain it to you on the internet? Novel approach.
I like some Christopher Nolan movies, but some are terrible, like Inception for example. I probably would’ve watched Tenet is there if there were less black people in it.
Stop the side argument about the time machine morons. To make it work before it's existence, all you do is show the dinosaur jungle and make the time machine show up with blue plasma energy, it's fricking simple.
when someone says they didn't like avengers would you say they got filtered? You can't get filtered by a movie aimed at the most normie of normies. That's not the proper usage of the word
This movie is a midwit magnet. Anyone who tries to justify it is punching above their weight. It's too smart for dumb people and too dumb for smart people.
It's opposite of a midwit magnet, smart people enjoy it because it's a fairly nonsensical gimmick that is a nice excuse for absolute kino action scenes and dumb people watch it because they want to feel smart. Most nolangays hate this movie
>Most Nolangays hate this movie
I'm pretty sure, facebook keeps recommending me posts from some homosexual nolan group and a lot of them rank tenet as the worst
Okay, that sounds like a completely verifiable anecdote. Also
>Facebook
The action scenes are not kino.
The premise of the film is reversing time; there's maybe five to ten minutes of reverse time action in the movie.
A car chase, a fist fight and a bizarre "land battle" where a bunch of people jog forwards and backwards in a gravel quarry without any apparent adversaries or shooting.
You wouldn't know kino even if it hit you in the face homosexual
zesty non-argument, Nolanbro
seethe, homosexual
Numbers are irrelevant, every scene with inversion is already pushing at the logical extremes of the concept finding the most interesting things you could do with it. A lesser film maker could have written an hour of action into the film and not have come up with the right ideas to explore the concept.
>finding the most interesting things you could do with it
A fist fight, a car chase and a fake war with no opponents? Pathetic.
Try and wrap your head around an inverted assassin trying to shoot the President while a mixture of inverted and non-inverted secret service agents try and stop him.
There's nothing particularly sophisticated about that compared to what was presented in the film, and I doubt you could actually flesh out anything if you had to write that scene. Your idea is that more moving pieces = more complicated = more interesting. A punch is a very direct cause and effect event and so figuring out how two people traveling in different directions in time would fight each other, and then finding a way to make them actually the same person is much more interesting than your idea.
Quite the opposite. Midwits are the only people who don't enjoy his movies.
Smart people understand and appreciate Nolan's films. Dumb people purely enjoy their aesthetics and spectacle and think they're "badass". It's only midwits who aren't smart enough to understand them or dumb enough to just enjoy them on a purely visceral level, and that's why his movies make midwits like you so angry and defensive.
You already responded here
Different anon. I don't agree with that first anon, Nolan's films aren't nonsensical at all.
moronic homosexual
Most of them aren't but Tenet didn't have a lot going for the plot, just love how Nolan used the entropy gimmick as an excuse to make some of the coolest action scenes to bless cinema
You're the same guy
Also The Prestige is in my top 5. I just think he went too far up his own butthole with Tenet and made something fundamentally incoherent but also with a blockbuster aesthetic.
It's not incoherent if you have the patience and capacity to understand it. Tenet doesn't work for people who say stupid shit like "you should only have to watch a film once to understand it completely otherwise it's a failure", which is a dead giveaway that all you've ever been exposed to is bargain bin trash
so you're that one person in the entire world that understands and makes sense of le inverted bullets, cold turning into heat and all that shit? Because not even Nolan gets it
There are plenty of people who understand it. You're just not one of them. And you assume that if you can't figure it out it must be nonsense because you're deeply insecure about your feeble intelligence, you're completely closed-minded, likely one of those anti-intellectual types and you have the patience of a toddler.
Understand I'm not saying you have to be a genius to understand Tenet. You interpret intelligence as smugness, as most idiots do, they see intellect as ponderous and effeminate. Thus you have some kind of weird personal problem with Nolan (a man whom you have never met) and you went into the movie with the express purpose of proving that you're smarter than him rather than enjoying or appreciating the movie.
>There are plenty of people who understand it.
stopped reading there
If you can't read a paragraph of text without getting frustrated you have absolutely no hope of understanding a two and a half hour long labyrinthine science fiction epic like Tenet.
>labyrinthine science fiction epic like Tenet.
i'm kinda relieved that this was a bait and you're not an actual moron
I'm completely serious.
It fundamentally doesn't make sense for time to partially flow backwards. What exactly is the mechanism by which things can be inverted, poindexter? Even Family Guy demonstrated how moronic this premise is because Stewie is nearly unbirthed but his time machine, which he built, at no point disassembles itself. You can basically use this movie to determine if someone is a true Nolan cultist. If they aren't they'll say it's unintentionally comedic slop, or if they are low IQ, that it went over their head.
>Even Family Guy demonstrated
Stopped reading there
Yeah, Nolangays have low attention-spans. Tell me something I didn't know.
I'm not willing to waste time on people who are hopeless. That's why this is your last you.
That's after the part where you're supposed to explain conceptually how partial inversion of the world works. I'm still waiting...
>anon watches a Superman movie
>wtf this is bullshit people can't fly what a moronic movie
Flying is a coherent idea. Time flowing in both directions simultaneously isn't. Also
>Admits to watching capeshit
A person taking off into the air without any form of propulsion is not any less nonsensical than backwards entropy.
>Backwards entropy
Keep pretending you know what you're talking about. We're all really impressed.
lol, imagine thinking I'd have to be some kind of genius to even dare to use the word entropy in a sentence
No, actually you're an idiot for thinking time and entropy are the same thing.
I guess Einstein is also an idiot then, huh?
Yes
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I love skitso-tube. Hour and hours of morons thinking they've found the truth of the universe.
you're insecure about your own intelligence. That's why you can't admit it doesn't make sense. You don't wanna come off as someone who didn't understand the movie
Again, projection. You can't admit you didn't understand it because you're insecure about your own intelligence, so you have to insist that there's nothing to understand. That's also why you think I'm somehow bragging that I understood it, because you think everyone is a boorish browbeater like you are.
It took me a few viewings to fully understand the movie. I didn't find the process frustrating, I found it fun and rewarding. It really has very little to do with intelligence and has a lot more to do with patience and emotional maturity, i.e. taking experiences on their own terms and appreciating what they have to offer rather than viewing every aspect of life as some kind of dick-measuring contest where you need to prove that you're better than everyone else. Only immature, insecure people watch movies that way.
>so you're that one person in the entire world that understands and makes sense of le inverted bullets, cold turning into heat and all that shit? Because not even Nolan gets it
so you're going to keep ignoring this?
I already addressed it directly. Maybe it was in one of those posts you stopped reading. I'm not the only person in the world that understands the movie, that's an idiotic assertion to make that isn't based on anything beyond "I don't understand it so it must be impossible to understand"
>I already addressed it directly.
show me where. It's not in a direct response to that post
>There are plenty of people who understand it. You're just not one of them. And you assume that if you can't figure it out it must be nonsense because you're deeply insecure about your feeble intelligence, you're completely closed-minded, likely one of those anti-intellectual types and you have the patience of a toddler.
>Understand I'm not saying you have to be a genius to understand Tenet. You interpret intelligence as smugness, as most idiots do, they see intellect as ponderous and effeminate. Thus you have some kind of weird personal problem with Nolan (a man whom you have never met) and you went into the movie with the express purpose of proving that you're smarter than him rather than enjoying or appreciating the movie.
>so you're that one person in the entire world that understands
>There are plenty of people who understand it.
Explain to me how this is not a direct response. You want me to explain to you how temperature going up in reverse is temperature going down? I think that's pretty self-explanatory.
you literally can't do it lmao
Can't do what? What is this absurd little game you're playing where you're asking these deliberately vague, meandering, borderline incoherent questions and then pig-headedly refusing to accept that my answer to your question counts as a valid answer purely for the sake of going SEE I KNEW YOU COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT
you're giving him too much credit. he's done nothing but demonstrate that he has no ability to defend anything specific
>he won't explain the movie to me!!!1
You still haven't told me why I should.
>You still haven't told me why I should.
Because it would epically pwn us all and save you from all of us laughing at your impotent tantrum
You wouldn't accept any of my explanations if I provided them. It's also a direct result of the sort of impatience that would compel you to demand that a complete stranger explain a movie you don't understand to you that you didn't understand it in the first place, so it seems like a real aggressive waste of my time.
>I understand the movie very well. I just won't prove it because...just BECAUSE OKAY?
Okay, tell me how to "prove that I understood the movie to you", as laughably absurd a statement as that is.
you can just explain shit that literally no one explained in over 3 years, not even nolan
>explain the movie to me
>wait don't because you can't
>...
>see I knew you couldn't explain it
this is so fricking childish
so you can't. Got it
You told me not to bother because no one can explain it because it makes no sense in the same breath that you asked me to explain it. Make up your mind.
then show everyone that i'm a moron who doesn't know what he's talking about? You can't? Because of the reasons?
I don't think I need to show everyone that you're a moron. You've done a great job of that already.
ngl i enjoy watching you squirm
Desperation is an ugly cologne, newfriend.
read this as many times as you need
Once was enough. It's a very transparent and desperate attempt to regain some semblance of the affectation of superiority you started the thread with.
why would i need to be desperate? I'm the one challenging you to do something you claim you can and you're running away constantly
I did exactly what you challenged me to do and you said "nuh uh that doesn't count". You're just going to keep moving the goalposts and then complaining that I'm not operating within them. I can't think of anything more desperate than that.
>I did exactly what you challenged me to do
yet it's still not in this thread. Curious
It is though, is the thing.
You mean that thing I already explained at length?
>it was explained to me repeatedly and I did not understand it, therefore it hasn't ever been explained
this is more illogical than anything in the movie Tenet
By explaining the physical mechanism of inversion, like I asked you to 30 posts ago. Keep in mind all movies with travel back in time are incoherent. It's just not as in-your-face as TeneT and the ones that take themselves as seriously, like Looper, are generally bad.
Nolan tried to make a simple popcorn action flick but without his brother he's utterly worthless at writing.
Nolan is for midwits in the very first place
Why would I watch a movie which stars 2 black men?
Tenet makes as much sense as any time travel film. You can nitpick it apart if you have autism, but to any reasonable standard of scrutiny its mechanics are very well considered.
imagine typing this with a straight face
there's that autism we talked about
not autism. I don't mean nitpicking
I can basically guarantee that all your criticisms of the film's mechanics are pants on head moronic without even having heard what they are
why are you being so insecure and defensive?
I'm not, I just have no respect for you and have not been given any reason why I should
>its mechanics are very well considered.
it's mostly okay, but I got a bad taste early on from the backwards gun where the instructor told him to just wish hard for it to fire. that was a stupid way to handle the mechanics and it's one of the viewer's first exposures to them.
>where the instructor told him to just wish hard for it to fire
That's not what she says at all. She's also not an "instructor". You should stop punching above your weight.
Yeah okay, tell me what happened then
If I remember correctly, she tells tenet "you have to think about dropping the bullet". He uses reverse psychology to trick the bullet into his hand. This establishes to the audience that the mind can influence time inversion from the present. And then the audience waits for the duration of the movie for the payoff to this scene, which never happens.
This aggressive moron still won't explain why the inverted bullet fires from some kind of idiotic meditation from the user in scene. He will probably have a smug reply to this post, but evade answering the question.
>some kind of idiotic meditation
bro what the frick are you talking about, the inverted bullet fires when he pulls the trigger
>the inverted bullet fires when he pulls the trigger
Oh interesting. What did all that dialogue mean during the scene then? Was that all meaningless then?
The dialogue had absolutely nothing to do with willing the bullet into the gun with telepathy or some shit. You didn't follow the scene, just admit it to yourself.
Mhmm, okay for the third time, what was it then?
You'll have to be more specific. What was what? Do you want me to just copy and paste the dialogue from the scene that explains precisely what you're confused about?
please do, you're gonna look like a moron. Just copy the whole transcript of that scene
>Do you want me to just copy and paste the dialogue
No I'll do it for you
>Yo we running dese inverted objects wit intuition and wisdom and sheeit
go ahead here this ought to be good
Yeah she's talking about basic intuition. React the object as it moves rather than trying to move it. It has nothing to do with being telepathic, you flaming moron.
Wow interesting. So they use basic intuition to make the inverted object do a bunch of non-causal movement but it's NOT telepathic or bullshit okay?
if you throw a ball in the air, it falls back down.
in reverse, the ball falls and you catch it, and then throw it back up.
from your perspective, the action is basically physically the same. It's a simple rudimentary motion of your arm. Moving your arm up and then back down again, or vice versa. Reacting to the weight of the ball as it enters/exits your hand.
In the scene she shows the footage forwards and backwards of him throwing/catching the bullet and says "either way the bullet moved because you interacted with it." She's telling him it's intuitive, not counter-intuitive.
It's really not even that complicated or hard to understand and it certainly has nothing to do with willing an object to move.
You're just being dense.
Yeah you explained the catch (sort of, since the coaching on intuition still doesn't make sense), but what about all the other bullshit the bullet does afterward? Take your time, I'll wait.
Why, so you can tell me it doesn't make sense because you say so?
Come on get started. we don't have all night, chop chop
What about the catch can't be extrapolated to explain the rest of the scene? Exactly how much of the legwork must I do for you before you take some fricking initiative? Why should I keep trying to explain the movie to you when after I explained the catch you said "that still doesn't make sense because I said so lol"? Why is it that I have to back up my claims but you don't, exactly? What granted you these special privileges?
I'm just asking for an explanation of the swirly bullet hand dance. I can't believe a couple of sentences on the matter are such a Herculean task for someone as intelligent as yourself.
Yeah, that works the same way that the catch does. Forwards, the bullet is moving around on the table because he's moving it. Backwards, the bullet is sliding along the table into his hand. So much like his forwards movements, when reversed, are effecting the bullet when it's inverted, the inverted bullet's movements are being motivated by his forward movements when they're reversed.
Now go ahead and tell me "that's dumb lol" and move the goalposts again. Because you're not actually interested in understanding or enjoying the movie, you just want to argue on the internet.
>Backwards, the bullet is sliding along the table into his hand
Okay, but what about the dazzling spinny movements where it's sliding all around the place?
How are those not explained by what I already said?
Because you're pretending that the erratic shit the bullet does is subject to the same cause and effect as the catch
Can you post a webm where you drop something and, when played in reverse the object does a bunch of INCREASINGLY IMPROBABLE, BEAUTIFUL MOVEMENTS? I think we'd all like to see how sensible and realistic that is
Each of the individual movements are being motivated by his movements, he's moving his hand around and flicking the bullet and doing all kinds of shit. Did you even watch the fricking scene? It's not like he pokes it once and it just starts bouncing all over the room. You know you're wrong at this point, don't you? You're just trying to save face.
>Each of the individual movements are being motivated by his movements
Now we're getting somewhere. How do his movements motivate the bullet?
I already explained that:
You didn't explain why gesturing at the bullet causes any kind of physical movement. Again, any catch-drop reversed motions are fine, but what is it about the inversion mechanic that allows for all the swirly motions?
>You didn't explain why gesturing at the bullet causes any kind of physical movement
That's because he's not gesturing at it. He's moving it. With his fingers. Jesus, no wonder you didn't understand the movie.
>what is it about the inversion mechanic that allows for all the swirly motions?
A spin reversed is still a spin. Take a coin and twirl it on your desk. Now how did you do that?
It plainly does not follow normal rules of movement, even when reversed. I figured you would start lying about the scene and I was right
holy shit, you're a midwit
That's funny. I figured you would at some point resort to accusing me of lying when you had no other recourse.
Like I said, you don't actually want to understand the movie better. You just want to prove it doesn't make sense. This is why I can't help you.
>I figured you would at some point resort to accusing me of lying when you had no other recourse
Because you were about to do it. Just accept that the swirly table stuff isn't a sensible reversal of action and move on
>Just accept that the swirly table stuff isn't a sensible reversal of action and move on
I can't, because it is
>can't, because it is
When played in reverse, he would throw it (he makes no throwing gesture during the catch by the way), it goes across the table, hits her hands, lands a couple feet from her and does a super high velocity spin. You think that's pretty normal, and maybe not a bullshitty excuse for some fun footage with no real in-universe explanation?
>Just accept that the swirly table stuff isn't a sensible reversal of action and move on
If the normal spin is possible, then the reverse is also
>in INCREASINGLY IMPROVABLE, BEAUTIFUL MOVEMENTS
lol
>blatantly misreads IMPROBABLE as IMPROVABLE
see this is your problem, you don't pay attention
>one of them did a typo! one of them did a typo! now I don't have to talk about the movements hehehe
It wasn't a typo. You misread it because you're the kind of person who watches shows at 2x speed in a tiny window you can surf the web while you do it
and here you are getting trounced and laughed at by people of this kind
Mocking laughter is their only recourse, it's a defense mechanism for having been outwitted.
>Nolanslop is for le geniuses
You think your fav capemen were profound in TDK too?
kys
You are clearly not a genius, so maybe don't speak out of turn about what they do or do not enjoy.
bruh Inception was like so creative and thought provoking. I applied to MIT the day after I saw it and got a full scholarship
Tank you Nolanb!
Argument not found.
It was ok but the final setpiece did nothing for me.
Primer James Bond? Sign me up.
Future Pattison saving past Protag
It was bittersweat and cast everything to that point in a new light.
you're all moronic. there. you can stop trying to figure out which one of you is less moronic now. it doesn't matter. no need to thank me for freeing you from this debacle of a thread.
hmmm, I think you're on to something
frick yourself and die moron, I don't need your validation for such a obvious statement.
who hurt you?
I wish coivd would have been more deadly and infectious than it already was. It didn't claim enough people.
noice. pol mind broke you and its still going strong
Cancer, heart disease or a car accident will get you sooner than later and I couldn't be happier.
i hope a brown teenager from pol reads this, bro. fricking lawl!
lol this homie mad af lmao
>makes anime like movie
>protag is a Black
>supporting actor looks like a seinen character
what a missed opportunity. it couls have been so good
Dumbest shit ever. I thought nothing could be stupider than Inception. Then Nolan out-dos himself.
It was okay.
He really needs to stop using Branagh as his replacement for Caine.
Branagh was not convincing at all in the role. He was shit in Oppenheimer also.
no one, except for maybe pattinson, was convincing in this movie. It's almost impossible to look good as an actor with such a moronic dialogue
There are no intelligent people on Cinemaphile
nepo washington can't act and his manlet ass looked stupid next to debicki
>don't like a shit movie
>you just got filtered bro
It's a given to make fun of Black folk on Cinemaphile but the black guy can't act for shit and can't carry a movie like this, also the audio mixing was awful
>see main character
>never watch
When I learned to just appreciate it as fancy action set pieces, and stopped trying to understand the pretty much non-existent and illogical plot, I ended up appreciating it more. It's still a flawed film though. If they had tried just a little bit harder, not necessarily to try and make it logical - because nothing about time travel is logical, but to flesh out the characters, schemes and organizations, it would be a much better film.
6.75/10
You can't kill someone with an inverted bullet, only heal them.
No
Lol he left
I did?
concession accepted
I'll never understand the people who say Nolan is a "tryhard trying to be smart" and his movies lack "soul" - it is pretty much the opposite almost every time. People waste their time trying to follow the gimmick to the most exacting point when the entire plot and gimmick are an excuse for Nolan to very clearly have fun designing the inverted action scenes, which are, for the most part, very cool to watch. The only one where it kinda falls apart is the final siege. But it's still clear that Nolan was just having a blast here and he even tells his audience not to bother trying to make sense of the rules.
this movie really exposes the midwits in this board, lmao
>We live in a twilight world
I get it, it's because Pattinson was in Twilight
bravo nolan
You = midwit
Me = Based Ohio High IQ Rizzler
Any questions?
One question I'm sure you've heard it before, but can you please let me suck your dick?
Of course, bring that gyatt over here
Is that the tenet you live by?
Reposting to remind everyone present that the asshurt redditor fears this scene and won't even attempt to talk about it
Just so we're crystal clear, here are the posts where I explained the thing you're making fun of me for having made no attempt to explain
>wall with inverted bullets that you can just inshoot into your gun in le reverse
>how does this work?
LE MAGIC
Very much in the same way that you can't get in a time machine and travel back to before the machine was built because it wasn't built yet.
If you can't suspend your disbelief enough to extrapolate and enjoy mindbending sci-fi, that's on you. Not the movie. Just admit that it isn't your thing and move on.
>Very much in the same way that you can't get in a time machine and travel back to before the machine was built because it wasn't built yet.
but that makes perfect sense so it's not in the very much the same way. You literally can't explain the wall and the bullets. Now you're hiding behind suspension of disbelief, literally admitting defeat
>mindbending sci-fi
it's literally magic. There's no sci fi in this movie
>but that makes perfect sense
How? How can you travel back in time to a time before the machine that you invented to go back in time was invented?
>it's literally magic. There's no sci fi in this movie
It's speculative, not hard sci-fi. That doesn't mean it's magic.
>Very much in the same way that you can't get in a time machine and travel back to before the machine was built because it wasn't built yet.
that's what you really said
I did, and I'm awaiting your response. If it's so blatantly stupid you should have no issue blowing me out of the water with your next post.
>How? How can you travel back in time to a time before the machine that you invented to go back in time was invented?
and this is what you said next. Those are two opposite things
No. They are not. They are the same thing.
>"can" and "can't" are the same thing
are you making some moronic tenet joke?
You can't and how can you are the same thing, because in both instances I'm insisting that you can't. I think maybe you need to lie down.
>because in both instances I'm insisting that you can't
and i said it makes perfect sense that you can't. To which you replied this
do you understand my confusion now?
midwits are the ones thinking that this movie is more than it actually is, an action flick, there is nothing deep or confusing about it, the concepts are easy to understand for anyone with an IQ of around 120+ and once you do you can really enjoy how Nolan sneakily sucker punches the midwits who just don't notice
Example: The protagonist's talk with Katherine Barton. There are at least three points there where you realize how badly stitched together the plot is but Nolan never misses a beat and before the midwit can notice they just move on, awed by the pace.
I enjoyed this movie but its an IQ test and the people who like it the most fail it the hardest.
>Example: The protagonist's talk with Katherine Barton. There are at least three points there where you realize how badly stitched together the plot is but Nolan never misses a beat and before the midwit can notice they just move on, awed by the pace
It's funny you mention that. One of them is having his nose held down to this scene in this very thread and he's losing his mind
Bro. I'm having a conversation about that very scene literally *in between* your repeated insistence that I'm refusing to explain it. Everyone can see it.
It doesn't matter if it's for smart or dumb people, or if the writing is sloppy or airtight. What dooms the movie to being shit is that there's never anything worth caring about on the screen, the pacing is terrible, and the action is boring as hell. Awful flick.
No I did not. I’ve rewatched it four times and acknowledge it’s Nolan’s second best film after Inception.
So you didn't watch it once while half paying attention and then spend the next three years demanding that strangers explain it to you on the internet? Novel approach.
I like some Christopher Nolan movies, but some are terrible, like Inception for example. I probably would’ve watched Tenet is there if there were less black people in it.
>some are terrible, like Inception for example
>I probably would’ve watched Tenet is there if there were less black people
like poetry
So the black guy became white or did the white guy became black right?
Stop the side argument about the time machine morons. To make it work before it's existence, all you do is show the dinosaur jungle and make the time machine show up with blue plasma energy, it's fricking simple.