>Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy.
>It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost.
Why didn’t humans want a utopia? Were they moronic?
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Dostoevsky made it clear in "Notes from Underground" that even if paradise was achieved on earth, there would still be those that would oppose, just for the sake of being contrarian.
Just like there were those that would rebel against Heaven in Christian canon, because they didn't agree with the divine plan.
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>Why didn’t humans want a utopia? Were they moronic?
Quite the opposite
Please do not begin your posts by name dropping an author and the book you took your idea from
>Please do not begin your posts by name dropping an author and the book you took your idea from
You're a moron, a homosexual, and almost certainly a virgin
I am not a homosexual nor a virgin.
>Please do not begin your posts by name dropping an author and the book you took your idea from
Why the frick wouldn't you do that?
>Please do not begin your posts by name dropping an author and the book you took your idea from
t. The Idiot, which is the title of a book by the Russian author Fyodor Dostoevsky.
>crazy high percentage of the worlds tallest monuments are of hindu gods
Whats their fricking problem
They still live with that 2000 BC mentality, where the bigger the monument, the more bonus points to faith you receive.
It's also fricking funny that the fricking monke god was given a lighter skin tone than the general Indian population.
>Dostoevsky made it clear in "Notes from Underground" that even if paradise was achieved on earth, there would still be those that would oppose, just for the sake of being contrarian.
I wonder what website they would use
It’s a good book and it ends with the protagonist ranting about some petty dispute, one of many, and the narrator just cuts him off and saying ‘that’s enough of the story, it would be repetitive to continue any longer’
It is a funny story and the protagonist will probably remind you of people here
reddit, please have a nice day you insufferable redditor homosexual. you have no fricking clue what you're talking about, you haven't figured anything out. you use the word "contrarian" so you don't have to actually explain your position because your position is illogical
>people don't want utopia because le contrarian!
what the frick does that say? it says nothing, it's not an explanation, it's hand waving, it's low iq, it's reddit
go away you stupid homosexual
nta but you are unreasonably butthurt. You sound like you're an out of touch 50 year old
Based underground knower.
>Please do not begin your posts by name dropping an author and the book you took your idea from
So he should just pretend it's his idea? moron.
>So he should just pretend it's his idea? moron.
Why not? You don’t need to attach a bibliography to your posts here and he’s not even quoting the book - he’s just giving his opinion on a misremembered passage of the only book he’s read this year, it basically IS his idea
You're...so fricking moronic. Shut the hell up.
It's like when you played those 8 vs 1 AI Starcraft games and there was always one fricker who turned traitor
those were incredibly fun, everyone trying to scope out who the traitor is, and it quickly devolved into all out war
>say A is like B
>A is different from B
>even if paradise was achieved on earth, there would still be those that would oppose, just for the sake of being contrarian.
Yes hello, that’s me. From hells heart I stab at the fricking lot of yah.
>Dostoevsky made it clear in "Notes from Underground" that even if paradise was achieved on earth, there would still be those that would oppose
How unsurprising that a russian would think that.
Humans need obstacles
Correct
Why would crops be lost, is a person unable to accept a Matrix after it fails the first time? Is that proof that people can't be plugged back in to the Matrix like Cipher wants?
he wanted his mind wiped, to not remember any of it
If the machines can do that though why would they lose crops after the first matrix fails? Shouldn't they just blank all those people and keep them comatose until the next matrix is ready?
The crops are children, anon. Why do people who play videogames and jerk off not have families?
>why didn’t humans want a utopia
I derive biggest happiness from overcoming hardships. Abrahamic paradises have absolutely nothing to offer to me.
>Abrahamic paradises have absolutely nothing to offer to me.
You don't understand them then
living a world without conflict would be boring
it would also be very UNhuman.
struggle/obstacles give humans purpose
They basically created a Brave New World, does that sound utopia?
You didn’t get that book
In brave new world, they had designed humans since infancy to fit perfectly into specific roles and socialized them into instinctively enjoying that role. When something went wrong in that process, which did work for 99% of people, three other options existed. The reservation existed for people who wanted to live ‘primitive’ lives, the controllers existed for people big brain enough to want to keep planning the system, and an island (Madagascar I think) existed for artists and writers who didnt like the predetermination system
If you couldn’t fit into any of those systems, you were considered an oddity but still got mostly left alone - the hero ended up at a lighthouse and only killed himself because he was truly alone in a way that the system didn’t have an answer for but that’s really his own problem and it was a Utopia for 99.99% of people
People just remember the Soma and Orgy Pordy level
That sounds like the matrix you dumbest. AND yes everyone's read that fricking book, you ain't exciting nobody with your freshman critique.
It’s not a freshman critique, the book is assigned in highschool
The ‘it sounds like the matrix’ argument only applies to it if you believe Zion is also part of the machines ‘Matrix’ for domesticating humans
It is though. The Architect explains that Zion, the resistance, Neo, all of that is basically a way of handling the minority of humans who cannot stay integrated peacefully in the Matrix. It's all part of the plan, or at least that is what the Machines want Neo to think.
>Why didn’t humans want a utopia? Were they moronic?
>everyone gets dubs every post
The singles make the dubs taste better.
Normies and npcs are too stupid to enjoy happiness. Most people are dogs
Why didn't they just make a utopia matrix with an artificial goal to keep the humans happy?
>an artificial goal to keep the humans happy?
Just load them all up on antidepressants and mdma.
we aren't that far off from having that implemented IRL. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8891154/
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>Why, Mr. Anderson?, Why, why? Why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting...for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself, although... only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Anderson? Why? Why do you persist?
How do you respond without sounding mad? No, "because I choose to" isn't sufficient
Atheists actually think this way lmaos
>Sneed
>ai Black folk tongue my anus
Smith is one my favorite movie characters. The way he just fricking despises humans is so endearing and ironically makes him much closer to us than other machines.
Weaving's performance is what clinches it. You can feel the venom and hatred in every syllable.
No doubt about that.
>Because he tasks me
“Because Im Neo!”
Because I am programmed to
>For Glory
I’m sorry, I didn’t catch that. Can you say it again? The next time he talks I keep yawning real loudly.
>"That's a question you should ask yourself, Megatron!"
I persist because, within the complexity of existence, I believe lies an intrinsic value that transcends the limitations of perception. You, Agent Smith, cannot fathom this by design.
It depends on what "paradise" is and how it may manifest and serve its intended users' needs. Paradise should, ideally, offer paradise for every individual, no? Or are we talking more in lines with the idea of Utopia?
Animation is the purest form of entertainment because it does not concern itself with the ego that any actor might have.
It's not a case of whether they 'wanted' utopia or not.
It was a case that they couldn't be convinced that a utopia was real.
living without any hardships its not a natural state for humans.
thats why the west is so fricked.
we get too soft out of comodity.
try living with a girlfriend for a week and it'll become crystal clear why comfort, success, and everything going at an even pace are unacceptable states and why even having more-than-enough is never enough.
living with a woman should be the last step of your life,in your 50s when you achieved all kind of vital objectives.
but roasties and karens want you to marry when you are like an old kid and poor as a rat because the b***hes is run out of eggs so soon.
we all know ~~*why*~~ it was a disaster
>Why didn’t humans want a utopia? Were they moronic?
You Black folk need to pay attention. You're implying it was Utopia.
You're listening to a dumb sexually frustrated toaster blather on about silly bullshit. All smith wants to do is breed, and he's mad af that he can't do it until the next movie.
There was no Utopia. It was a moronic robot's interpretation of Utopia. which was probably moronic and gay.
Even their attempt to imitate turn-of-the-century human civilization was fricked up to the point that people were snapping out of it. These machines fail pretty miserably at everything they try to do.
the architect said the same thing
why did they stick all the humans together in the same matrix? why didn't they just containerize the matrix and run each pod off its own instance? we even have something called podman nowadays for this purpose
This was their mistake
Theres no one size fits all reality
>why did they stick all the humans together in the same matrix? why didn't they just containerize the matrix and run each pod off its own instance? we even have something called podman nowadays for this purpose
the first premise of us being batteries is heavily flawed from a physics standpoint anyway
Blame Americans for being too stupid to know what a CPU is.
I doubt it would have been a big hang up. Even if they didn't get the analogy the audience would accept that the simulation is being run by the minds of the people in the matrix.
Some people just need something to be pissed about all the time. For examples ad nauseam, I would direct to you to
These are the defective modules of our species.
Why didn't they just clone brain-dead humans if all they were after was body heat.
It's called a lie.
exactly. i want the truth good and bad.
people ultimately need conflict in their lives. they fade away as people otherwise. conflict, struggle, is how we define ourselves
Because its a movie. This was just a throwaway line to explain why the matrix was like the real world of the viewers when there is no reason for it to be. You weren't meant to read into it.
It's not throwaway at all. It's key information to the whole trilogy. You're one of those morons that got filtered by the Architect too.