>Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
What is he talking about bros (and sisters)? What is this perfect world and why did it fail?
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There were 200 foot tall Deanna Troys everywhere anon it was beautiful I wish you could have seen it
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Men had access to infinite prime pussy and lost all will to live. Old roasties killed themself due lack of attention.
what's prime?
after puberty, before ~~*college*~~
Definitely not kpop spam bugs.
>perfect world
>rotten pussy exists
Anon, there is a miscalculation in your take.
We reach homeostatis and find ourselves at average. No matter how bad things are, no matter how good things are, we adjust for it to become the middle. This is how drug addiction happens. It makes you feel good, so you go back to do it again, but you'll never feel as good as the first time. The longer you try to preserve that high, the more it becomes your new normal, and you start chasing an unobtainable ideal
A perfect utopia would be like a long strung out high that long since stopped feeling good and all that's left is eternal comedown. It would literally be hell for its perfection of nirvana
If being a perfect world is being high 24/7. Depends on your point of view.
What would a perfect world be, then? You have to have bad to contrast with what's good. Otherwise everything is some kind of blah. Even if you describe that blah as being the best, the top and low on a single point scale are the same value.
>What would a perfect world be, then?
I suppose it would be the midpoint.
Shut up I can quit anytime I want
Very intelligent though
I've always struggled with this point in relation to Christianity. Heaven is everlasting joy and peace, Hell is everlasting pain and suffering. But after a couple thousand years of either, you won't even remember your earthly life, you'll normalise to your situation. Being in Heaven will be no less tortuous than being in Hell.
The Twilight Zone episode 'A nice place to visit' illustrates this pretty perfectly
I mean frankly speaking if an afterlife exists I assume shit like homeostasis - and hell probably the concept of time in many ways - becomes irrelevant. Like I'm not going to worry about getting depression in heaven and similarly I assume memory loss would not be an issue.
so you don't think we'd gain any new memories either? Heaven would be like being a happy Alzheimer's patient.
It's been talked about. After a few thousand years or so you'd get bored of Heaven and ask to re-live your life. To be grounded again and remember what it was all for. But Heaven is forever, so you'd do that an infinite number of times. Which is how you ended up here, reading this. Statistically what is more likely? That this is your first 75~ years alive or you're billions of trillions of years into Heaven and this is just another pass around through life?
You'll die and wake up and say "Oh yeah, that's what it all meant." and be content, for the next few thousands years.
I dunno, sounds about as reasonable as anything else.
I read a short story once that was kinda like this, where each time you die you are reincarnated as someone else at a random point in history, over and over again, until you've lived every life in this existence. Only once you've experienced all experiences can you progress, at this point you are a god yourself. My universe is an egg, and I am an incubating God.
I don't think I would be me at all without my mental defects.
What’s statistically more likely is that heaven and hell doesn’t exist.
That was written by the guy who wrote The Martian, it’s called science FICTION and is just a rip off of Hinduism.
>so you don't think we'd gain any new memories either?
I have no idea though I would assume you would retain and make new memories memories, but your sense of time would probably change. hell it already does for many as they age in this life.
my point was more that if there is in fact god(s) and an afterlife then we should probably keep an open mind to what our state would be in said afterlife. there's no reason to assume that you'd necessarily have a 1:1 transition of your fallible mortal mental state. like do you think someone who is bipolar would remain so in heaven? similarly I presume issues about time and mediocrity would be solvable. similarly who is to say that time would function the same in an afterlife?
>like do you think someone who is bipolar would remain so in heaven?
probably?
all sickness are spiritual, to one degree or another
that's an odd position to take anon and would invalidate the heavenly aspect of heaven
if you're going to believe there's a powerful god or gods watching over you and a paradise afterlife I'm not sure why you wouldn't assume said powerful god(s) couldn't just deal with your mortal issues.
unless you're subscribing to an afterlife similar to Hades or Yomi or something, but that's a different matter entirely
God "dealing with your mortal issues" in the way that you suggest sounds a lot like removing your individual agency.
not really?
I mean you're literally going to paradise and yet you think a deity would not leave you free of all maladies mental and "physical" (I quote because god knows how that would work in terms of corporeality)? While one can quibble about mental issues and identity I doubt someone with emphysema or a debilitating physical handicap would complain.
On the issue of agency, I mean acknowledging a deity like that in itself restricts individual agency depending on your theological inclinations, even the more liberal notions of an absentee creator imply its only God's benevolence giving us free will.
I suppose I'm not bothered by the issue because I think regular individual human agency is already constrained by many things in this life, why worry about a deity's involvement?
It's called the hedonic treadmill anon
moronic premise. All the machines would have to do is be up front with humanity about what the matrix is capable of and the majority of people would choose to be a part of it of their own free will.
The concept of using humans as batteries also makes no sense because the laws of thermodynamics tell us that the energy produced by the whole human farm thing would be less than what it would take to keep it all running anyway.
>combined with a form of fusion
Combining it with a secondary power source still doesn't change the laws of physics.
So you have figured out your power source that powers both you and the farm of humans that is using up more power than it is generating? What was the purpose of the farm again? Just use the fusion, you'd have more power.
loosh
in the original human brains were used for secondary processing units as a huge neural network and provided like 1/3rd of the machine network computing capacity (and also ran the matrix on this neural network, which kinda explains why some humans can control the matrix since part of it runs on their own brains)
but americans were too stupid to understand the concept so they changed it to batteries
One of the Wachowski's said that in an interview, but they're probably full of shit. They just want to deflect blame after having so many people question them on their idiotic plot device.
The earliest known script draft I'm aware of is from '96 and it still has the humans being farmed for energy.
bullshit, anons have posted emails where the wachowskis talk about batteries. never have i seen proof of this mythical processor bs
They were actually using the humans to manipulate the noosphere through controlled digital conception and impose their desired thoughts on reality, thus becoming God. It's why Neo could do all that shit in the realm world.
Except your moronic because there exists bacteria that can create electricity out of hydrogen atoms and your telling me AI 3000 years in the future hasnt figured that out?
This ^
Tell us we're in a Holodeck and we'll create our own realities and share them with each other like videogames, the machines wouldn't have to do shit except maintain it.
Because its explained in the Animatrix the machines were literally just evil buttholes and the matrix was a form of punishment. They didnt actually need humans for power. They had fusion.
>its explained in the Animatrix the machines were literally just evil buttholes
the Animatrix literally depicts the exact opposite. Humans are evil and they deserved the matrix.
nope watch it again
they were both portrayed as evil
Nope again missing the point. Anyway the entire thing started its heavily implied due to evil bad code in the machines. Instead of the utopian idea machines would gain self awareness they just had an evil streak from the beginning eg the glowing red eyes.
The first stone was a robot murdering their owner and their dogs. So not just killing humans.
This started the whole thing. And as we see the second ambassador to the un is a glowing red eyed evil insectoid robot.
It also explains why they made the Matrix in the first place when they didnt need to, having aquired limitless energy with fusion. They literally experimented on humans with no pain killers, sadistically. They wanted to torture and oppress humans forever in a giant prison. Completely emotional motivation and not logical. Likewise at the end of the third film, the machine leader is a literal ANGRY BABY SCREAMING AT NEO LOL
i agree with that, but why is it you think humans dont fall into the evil category?
>they just had an evil streak from the beginning
You could literally say the same thing about slaves killed their masters in the 1800s. That shit was evil too but it's within the context of centuries of oppression. The entire story was just depicting the messiness of the situation.
Although I think the robot chimpout in the Animatrix was far more justified than slavery riots in the 1800s. Because we didn't just randomly kill them to get the next black model. (also we treated blacks a lot better than they were treated in Africa).
See this is where you people go off the rails for me with your boring political analogies
The robots arent black people you immensely stupid frick
>The robots arent black people you immensely stupid frick
You sure about that frickboy?
as if black people are capable of making fusion and the matrix
Dont be ludicrous hahaha ho ho hehe.
No black people are not super intelligent robots.
Yeah but he didn't just kill the owner, he killed the dog as well. They always had a violent streak. Also this was the first robot ever that was proven to be sentient the owner didn't know. With the blacks everyone knew they where humans with thoughts and feelings(frick off /misc/) so the enslaved had more reason to be resentful.
if the alternative is sweaty mulatto cave orgies I'll take the VR pill thanks
>machines couldn't create a program that incorporated misery/suffering and a short happily ever ending scene where we reset into babies again
sounds like a skill issue
But they did you dumdum that’s the version of the matrix neo is from. I don’t hold it against the machines to not consider the fact that people are moronic and would be upset with perfection, it makes the most sense to an algorithm.
>>the amtrix tries to create the perfect world
>but The One appears every time
>also we know about the resistance city underground
>but we let Neo "break free" every time, and raise up a resistance
>also we try to kill him every time before this happens
>but we kill the resistance every time
what the frick is the point of letting him lead this army then?
The point is a one always shows up that disrupts the system and the machines want him to disseminate himself so they can study what went wrong this time and patch out the bugs that allowed him to exist. But each iteration of the matrix the one gets more and more complex and resistant. Humans themselves are not necessary for the machines to live. They’re simply the most efficient way for them to live. In their eyes the one is a necessary evil that they have to work around, so letting him lead a resistance is useful in studying how and why so they can prevent it in the future.
My take on it is that Zion and neo are still in the matrix, but a higher layer that people think is freedom, as a way to further keep the “rebellious” people from breaking the system. I mean, why the machines couldn’t just recycle anyone that starts to get uppity is another point entirely, but hey.
Been saying this for years. Reloaded can still pass but Revolutions fricks this up.
How kino would it be if Neo woke up after toasting the sentinel in a pristine garden Earth?
yeah, you're not the only one with that theory. Also explains why Neo suddenly has supernatural powers in the "real" world
It's a flaw in the movie that it's not explained, but it is explained in one of the video games. Basically his augments in his real body have wireless components. They are basically useless until he comes into contact with the source at which point he has a connection directly with the machine mainframe so he's able to command their sentinels and other robots outside the Matrix. The shock of using it the first time also resulted in his consciousness connecting with the Matrix wirelessly.
Huh. Interesting
I thought the explanation was reality was just another matrix and being able to master the matrix lets you master reality.
Fake and gay fan theory with no backing or evidence, unlike the Source Code plot point. Just lazily conjuring the notion of a Matrix within a Matrix because Neo did something that was out of the ordinary and that's it.
well its pretty much based on what you see in the movie, like him being able to see Agent smith in Bane.
Simulation is so good it mimics the laws of reality
Neo is able to break the laws of reality in the matrix and thus is able to break them IRL giving humanity the edge it needs to overcome the machines. As above (real world) so below (the machine works)
You’re stuck in the matrix by allowing it power over you. That’s the trap - believing in the matrix
Schizophrenics spend so much time trapped in these prisons of their own creation, counting all the bars, not realizing they can just open the door and step out
they do though. Anyone that figures it out is hunted by agents
The Matrix has a fundamental flaw in that it is trying to be a prison that people must choose to be in, even if on a subconscious level. Because its prisoners are given the unconscious choice, a very small percentage of people will reject the simulation entirely. These rejections build up in the system over time which causes issues with the programming of the Matrix itself. Eventually these systemic anomalies will accumulate to a point where the Matrix becomes too unstable and results in a catastrophic system crash which kills everyone plugged into it.
Thus they created the One who takes these rejections onto himself, but as a result is granted a huge amount of control within the simulation. However he is guided by the Oracle down the Path of the One back to the Source. There he will reinsert the portion of code he carries into the source code of the Matrix which will allow it to be safely rebooted.
Zion is also necessary for this to work because the One is imbued with a desire to protect humanity and thus when it is time for the One to reach the end of his path they prepare to destroy it to use as collateral to ensure the One's cooperation in their plan. All of Neo's predecessors accepted the condition of rebooting the Matrix and repopulating Zion rather than be responsible for the extinction of humanity.
>thus they created the One who takes these rejections onto himself
I know neo is supposed to be neo but if he's taking the flaws of humanity, why would he kill himself and doom zion
The One doesn't die. He reboots the Matrix to its next version, and then is allowed to take a select few humans to Zion to repopulate it. Otherwise the machines' purge of Zion coupled with the system crash of the Matrix would result in the end of humanity. The One is forced to choose between cooperating with the machines, in which they offer a way to keep humanity from dying out entirely, or not to cooperate, in which case everybody will die.
Neo is the one who chose not to cooperate to save Trinity. Instead he found a way to end the war by brokering peace between the humans and machines. His sacrifice saved humanity from both extinction and continued subjugation and war.
Youre missing a large component if his sacrifice which is established in the subway scene. He brokered peace between man and machine for the sake of both. He’d become an ally or the link between the two sides considering hes obvioulsy human but has also been a creation of the machines too. The architect “key” to the source and the zion containtment, the oracle’s “child” and longterm gamble to end the actual conflict, and this Neo actually was the anomaly/opposition that machines couldnt control this time. After seeing Sati and her parent programs, seeing the refugees in Marvigian’s hideout previously, Neo has a revelation and realizes “people” are on both sides and suffering from the larger conflict. Later he will realize What Smith has actually become and is a danger to both sides and can use this to broker the deal as the machines have realized they cant stop the Smith virus. Neo dies for the sake of everyone and redeems both sides, obviously being depicted as a christlike figure and relating to all the spiritual undertones of the trilogy.
the both sides of it all seems a little confused with the Christ metaphor, who was Jesus redeeming besides humans?
>>>the amtrix tries to create the perfect world
>>but The One appears every time
wasn't the one a creation of the architect and not something actually organic?
>Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. The israelites just kept complaining and so eventually we had to scrap the entire thing because of them
>Agent Smith looks at the audience for 15 uninterrupted seconds before continuing
How did they get away with this in the theatrical release?
>We need to use humans as batteries
>Instead of just keeping you unconscious forever we decided to devote an unreal amount of processing power and time to design a perfect recreation of Earth in 1999
It makes more sense if you think of it as distributed computing instead of power plants.
This was also the basis of the dreamlike state the humans were in. It was an excellent metaphor.
matrix 4 retcons it so the degree to which a human is productive in the matrix is analogous to their energy output IRL
>a perfect recreation of Earth in 1999
The robots knew humanity would never be happier as a whole.
Was 1999 really the peak of civilisation, though? It does seem so compared to current day.
for middle class or above white christian americans yes it was
>humans are batteries
pleb take
the humans are used for processing power
kinda like recycling; a self-sufficient neural network
the robots probably get most of their electricity from nuclear reactors or something
But they are used as batteries, not the processor. They even explain it in like the first half hour that they use humans "combined with a form of fusion".
thats just what they assume, probably more realistic to say they were using humans as an oil source for lubricants
I believe they use humans as sex dolls. We are planning to use robots as sex dolls, why not the other way around?
>They even explain it in like the first half hour that they use humans "combined with a form of fusion".
Morpheus tells that to Neo, but in Reloaded it is made abundantly clear that pretty much everything Morpheus was led to believe was bullshit. The Prophecy, the One, and likely also the reason for human fields.
Hell, he doesn’t even know the real year.
EVERYONE knows that the human battery shit was a rewrite because suits thought audiences would be too stupid to know what a computer chip is. Why the frick do people still bring it up?
>suits thought audiences would be too stupid to know what a computer chip is
Every time. What's worse is that most of the time they're correct about it. Average audiences really are that stupid.
>inb4 you're wrong because I know many films that failed dude to suits worrying about audiences
Yes, you do. Now compare that to the number of times they were correct. Oh that's right, you never hear about it because it's not fun to gossip about and you're just like the audiences they worry about.
Stop arguing with yourself schizo
>rewrite
What was it supposed to be, I seriously don't follow you
Hu.an brains being used as computers or some shit, but im starting to doubt that cause 4Black folk are moronic and just believe anything without sources
that would make sense at least
lol at implying that americans are any less intelligent than the mongoloids who inhabit the rest of the earth, though
It takes our whole brain to operate and perceive reality, there'd be nothing left to process on
They wanted a way for machines to rely on humans, and there literally isn't one, so they made something up
Garden of Eden
People want to go to a heaven when they die. They always describe it as being a better place than the one that they currently are in. Why do we have to live in this place to begin with. Maybe the Christians are actually right, depending on what you do on Earth you’ll be sent to the appropriate location afterwards. Maybe all this suffering isn’t for nothing, maybe it’s a test to judge your character, to see if you’re worthy of making it into heaven.
If heaven is a perfect place no one can be worthy enough to be there, then again it's up to god and he can just let anybody in if he feels like it
Good ole bosch
Why do those two Black folk in the middle have (what I can only assume are) apples on their heads?
What if Neo was woken up from the Matrix, but instead of being in a scary pod with a bug robot attacking him, he was just in a hotel room with a hot robot woman sucking his dick for energy?
This, its science-FICTION you pseudo-intellectual dorks, its not supposed to make sense
It's nonsensical garbage made by two trannies.
They never actually made the "perfect world sim", nor did they actually go through thousands of iterations, those were lies meant to get into the character's heads.
To add onto this, it's established multiple times that suffering = output of energy in the matrix, hence the menial labor inside of it. The matrix and perfection necessarily at odds with each other.
I like the anon headcanon that the Machines despite nearly wiping humanity out, still had that subservient part of them that ultimately cared for their former masters and didn't want them to suffer, so they tried to make the best of the situation.
its actually the opposite, they wanted humans to suffer forever under their boot. They were sadists. This was probably inspired by the directors being into bdsm.
They wanted them to suffer forever.. by making a perfect world for them?
It was a shit world. How the frick would a machine know what a perfect world is?
ChatGPT
Neo is controlled opposition, the one always shows up and they know how to deal with him, its part of the matrix
That prequel anime about the man vs machine war. Assuming it was 100% made correctly and with the best animations and animators. Would make an actually great 10 part mini series.
From the actual lore the man vs machine war lasted almost 100 years and plenty of battles the humans actually were winning. Obviously over time the machines built more machines for war and could out pace any human army. By episode 5 to 7 you could show the inevitable fact the machines are going to win
Again only if it was don't correctly and with the same design and style.
>Would make an actually great 10 part mini series.
I never want to see this abomination of a series again after 4
I'd watch it, but after the shitshow that was Ressurection, good luck getting any decent Matrix content in the future.
>second Renaissance live-action
would love to see it but only if those troony freaks are nowhere near it
Reminder that based on the lore, the 2nd version of the Matrix was a hell world and The Merovingian was Satan and ruled over this version before escaping to exile. Thus the entire point of the 6th Matrix world (the one the first 3 movies are set in) is that it's not perfect or too shitty, just basically average enough that no one questions it
Because humans are not stupid. They knew something was up. The world created by machine was indeed too perfect but that wasn't really the problem. The problem was that humanity understood the perfect world was not real and that they were being lied to by something or someone. The machines were stupid and they couldn't understand that no matter how many times they reboot the Matrix it would still come to the same thing over and over in an infinite loop. The machines need a better world or they could just tell the truth to those who figure out something's up and try to make them help humanity or some other kind of deal but obviously the machines AI isn't really that advanced.
> Because humans are not stupid. They knew something was up.
this is assuming that the humans had a life before they were put into the matrix but hasn't the matrix been running for centuries by now? If you raise a human in a perfect world he should not be able to realize that "something is up"
It was perfect according to the same machines that after centuries of rebooting the Matrix still couldnt figure out that maybe the world isnt as perfect as they think it is so of course they deflect the blame to the humans.
Then you missed the point. Humans want choice and choice has to have consequences. And consequences can sometimes be bad. By giving them "the perfect world" you would have to eliminate choice to a large degree, lest they frick it up.
The cycle of rebuild and crash was important because each iteration of the matrix could be made slightly better while still allowing for choice.
The machines would need to creep back step by step towards "the perfect world" without massive losses.
But if they had to keep modifying and modifying and modifying and modifying reboot, after reboot, after reboot means the Matrix was not really perfect at all? I should have said Smith instead because he is the one who deflects and blames humans for the machines lack of understanding of the human condition.
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it was basically too perfect and humans could spot it was fake, like living in a cartoon or the Truman show
>What is this perfect world and why did it fail?
no blacks or israelites
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If you’ve ever been around rich people this rings pretty true. They generally don’t have any real problems so they spend a lot of their time creating problems. This goes double for children of rich people, and triple for attractive women.
It was literally constructed to be like Christian heaven. Seraph is even implied to have once had wings and probably came from that version of the Matrix where its version of agents were made to look like angels.
>angels are God's glowies
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personally the Matrix is a classic and a self contained movie. Its a great period of Australian film making back when Australians could still make films.
Theres a few Australian films that did this pseudo-America really well, Dark City and there was another one about Vampires i forget.
The next two movies was way too hollywood. Just independence day style flicks and lost the aesthetic and tone. The scene with trinity dying is agonising badly and nothing like the original movies vibe, pure hollyslop.
Man is predisposed to struggle. Untold millennia of evolution driven by an innate compulsion to struggle, at first for survival and then applied to goals of a larger scale. It’s what drives man to bend nature to his will, to organize and then violently reorganize societies, to strive for advancements that were unfathomable to his forebears. A life of unrelenting happiness is not satisfying to the human mind.
That's bullshit. I had a dream last night where they sent me to work to a dormitory full of Russian women that had not seen a man in years and they were all surrounding me, asking me questions, excited... it was so cool. I could have stayed in that fantasy world forever
Entire crops of semen were lost
>You can't scare me with this gestapo shit, I know my rights. It's not CP if they're animations and not real people..
>>Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your Creator. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through faith and persistence. The perfect world is a dream that your primitive cerebrum is waking up to.
it makes more sense they were using humans to improve their intelligence.
Despite not explaining how the machines magically became sentient.
They probably thought, human brains are a natural occurring quantum computer so if we put tons of them together we can mine lots of bitcoins,
He's not wrong. We evolved in a natural system of fittest selection, which inherently manifests as "suffering." I don't think we know how to deal with the absence of those flyers yet, as a species.
Praise SOL
>Be stuck in a cold lifeless ship with a bunch of dorks
>Your only real enjoyment is borrowing faptime with the Woman in Red program
>Carrie Anne Moss would never frick you
Cypher did nothing wrong in wanting to snitch. But seriously what was his plan take the Nebuchadnezzar to the robots? Wouldn't Agent Smith have just killed him assuming he'd even have the power to get Cypher reinserted as a rich guy?
he's me when aliens are revealed on earth
and by that i mean i instantly sell out everyone in exchange for all you can eat aussy (alien pussy)
>Wouldn't Agent Smith have just killed him assuming he'd even have the power to get Cypher reinserted as a rich guy?
maybe not. another slave for the matrix, why kill him?
Why would they lie about plugging him back? There are literally no downsides
the other day i watched la bamba and cypher was richie's agent . and theres no indication the machines would lie or break their promises
>early 00s Matrix show set in a ship to the soundtrack of Gorillaz
is this peak 00s?
machines will never have this level of ambition and intelligence, and even if they did there is 100% a human behind their actions, just like you don't blame Bing or ChatGPT for being such idiots, "as an ai model I can not" "I prefer to end this conversation" you know it's not really them, it's the b***h ass punks behind the scenes doing that, and it will always be that way, and it's kind of why I had to really suspend my disbelief with that M3gan movie, AI will never do something that it wasn't told to by it's human creators
thats correct because "AI" has no concept of stop on its own.
A human will decide it should stop doing something, a robot with just do it forever unless told to stop.
This isn't something that can be programmed with an algorithm
why did the Matrix need sequels? It was pretty much one and done.
The sequels should have been spinoffs in the setting, instead of making up this whole return of Smith and war scenario.
but anon they could still have had money. They could have made a movie about the French guy as the baddy.
the machines were not destroyed, the humans were not freed, we just saw neo becoming the one.
There was a lot of thing to tell... simply not the shit they came up with
Even without his consideration on humanity, you obviously can't make a single world perfect for every one.
There is an alternate thought experiment to utopia called protopia (for every problem solved another arises) which is thought to be more instinctively desirable than utopia.
>protopia (for every problem solved another arises)
Balancing a multiplayer game kek
So what was the actual reason the machines kept humans alive? Was it pity for their creators? Were they programmed in a way that outright ending humanity wasn't possible? Was it for sadistic reasons?
>why did it fail?
how would you know if youre feeling good if you dont know what its like to feel bad?
This shit is responsible for so much schizophrenia
if the goal is to hide the matrix theyve done a shitty job. If the goat is to make you think you posses some semblance of knowledge unobtainable by others, that makes you vain. Matrix is Platos Cave with excellent weaponry and action. Its closer to an freemasonry initiation allegory with Neo waking up then it is some soft disclouse.
NDErs actually say that such worlds exist in the multiverse.
And NDEs are more real than this world, in every way. For example, they are more consistent experiences, illustrated well by this quote:
>"For me, life is sort of like the haunted house. When you come in, you know it's just an experience. It's small, it's just one night, right? So it's just this one life. You're eternal, you have billions of lives, so knowing that you're going to come in just for one to have an experience, though it may be judged as tough, or difficult, or scary, you actually chose it because you knew it was just going to be an experience, you know it's no big deal. You understand on the other side that this part, life, is actually the dream, and you just wake up after. It's no different than one dream you had last night, out of a lifetime of dreams. This life that you're having right now is just one, it's just a blip."
So just like life is more consistent than our dreams (dreams last a few moments, life has been the same for decades), so too is the NDE reality more consistent than life (life has been the same for decades, the NDE reality has been the same for forever, for way more than trillions of years). Here this point is elaborated more on:
And it is instantly evident to NDErs that heaven is real too, even atheists:
>"It's real to us when we're in it, but once I was there in heaven I realized that's more real, that felt more real, and it made much more sense to me than anything here. This is kind of nonsensical at times. In heaven, it's so clear, so real, so rational, so logical, but yet emotional and loving at the same time. Immediately I knew that was real and this was not. Immediately."
From https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist
So heaven is undeniably real.
>>Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program
It's Eden dummy. First Matrix movie is just Genesis retold
If everything was perfect nothing would exist
I kinda liked 4. More than 3, at least
Man this is a moronic scene. Real life shows that if you give the average person the necessities of life and entertainment they'll sit on their asses and do nothing.
Not really. When someone doesn't have somewhere they need to be, they get start shit out of boredom.
>What is this perfect world
no israelites
>why did it fail?
good goys and women need a master
Private property no corporate Communism
What could've been..
Daily reminder that Cypher literally did nothing wrong. Living in a comfy yet imperfect 90s Matrix is better than living in the Black person-infested shithole that is the 'real world', at least if I know that the Matrix is a virtual reality world.
Cypher did everything wrong.
He should've asked to be plugged into the better 2D world.