Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
What did he mean by this?
Do they have KFC at the Source?
Without suffering how can one ever appreciate joy, or even know what it is?
do children and babies need to know suffering to know joy?
Yes. Frick them.
>yes, molest all the children as soon as possible
how israeli of you
Yes. Hunger, fear, pain, cold, etc...
You are born screaming.
>You are born screaming.
because you've seen exactly how many births in person?
Only blue babies don't cry.
literally existing as an entity separate from everything else logically requires suffering because it means limitation, to exist you literally need to be circumscribed physically and mentally in order to distinguish yourself from everything else
you really write this reddit drivel and call other people low IQ lmao. and you’re attempting an argument absurdum instead of refuting the completely true claim he made. there needs to be a distinction of states which necessities at least the ability to imagine alternate ones. not only would people not be able to survive without the ability to understand the concept of pain (and not the extreme moronic example you give, which is born of our ability to imagine and extrapolate from smaller amounts of pain and avoid unfavourable outcomes for ourselves) but they would not be able to mentally distinguish pleasure from pain. you literally have to be born with a clear and distinct concept of pain. anon isn’t making a “just world” argument, because again, the religious people you’re strawmanning don’t argue this either. it’s literally just stating a psychological prerequisite to the concept of existing in any meaningful terms in the first place
pointing out that you haven't experienced even an infinitesimal fraction of the amount of suffering the human animal is capable of experiencing is not "argument absurdum." its sating the fact that you probably have felt the highest levels of elation possible as a human being, and its absolutely nothing compared to what you're calling its opposite. suffering more doesn't create more joy.
and you’re a moron who has missed the entire point of the post kek. it’s not that pain is necessary for happiness, it’s necessary for existing in any sort of way conceivable to us. it’s a prerequisite for consciousness and reason. you wouldn’t be a human being without the ability to distinguish pain and pleasure or extrapolate future events and make choices based on them, you wouldn’t even be able to draw distinctions between your own mental states.
>pain is necessary for existing in any sort of way conceivable to us
look up congenital insensitivity to pain
yes because pain is a exclusively physical
Now look up moving goalposts.
the long and short is your nonsense is entirely a rationalization of the amount of "pain" and "suffering" you've experienced. You tell yourself it had a meaning, a purpose, that it made you a better person, etc. This is just a comforting lie you tell yourself to cope with all the pointless shit that happened in your life.
And again back to not understanding the point at all. I’ll try to make it even more blatantly clear. Imagine someone born insensate to pain. What is the initial, biggest pain they experience? Fear of death. Is fear of death not painful? It’s possibly the biggest pain we face, yet it’s psychologically necessary to exist. To know you are a being, and a being distinguished from the environment around you. Immediately you experience that pain of limitation, of not being able to do anything you will, of effort to bring abut changes of state as a limited, individuated object navigating other ones. You are also aware that being separate, and being aware of alternating mental and physical states, you can cease to be, and a large degree of your behaviour is centred around this realisation. Without that basic pain, you would have no way to distinguish different physical and mental states, ability to reason, project forward, make choices, or even be aware of yourself as a separate entity to shit around you. I’m not making an argument about pain “mattering” on a metaphysical level.
>get told that all you're doing is rationalizing your experiences as being meaningful
>rationalize harder
every big "maturation" moment in a person's life comes when they realize to not be afraid of something, be it the pain, the rejection, or even just the disappointment.
ok whatever, I am literally not saying this though. you must be aware that you’re just putting words in my mouth that have quite literally frick all to do with what i’ve posted because you can’t actually respond to it. again, not making, nobody is making, a just world argument that every painful event has meaning. i’m saying the concept of pain is literally fundamental to animal psychology
Yes, I'm posting logical, coherent thoughts, in response to your rambling stream of consciousness. this isn't really a debate or even discussion as much as its two people talking on completely different levels, in something that resembles proximity.
at best, your arguments are post-hoc. suffering is necessary for consciousness because i suffered, and am conscious, etc.
no actually, i’m giving a pretty straight forward argument that you literally refuse to engage with. i’ve even directly addressed your posts in mine, so you can’t accuse me of doing the same. and I explained why it’s conditional for consciousness as we experience it, if you want to dispute that go ahead and give an actual argument
Yes, this is why babies born veganally are happier and calmer than babies born by C-section.
Some do, some don't. Look up the rat utopia experiments.
Hard to say, they’re born cold and screaming, squeezed to hell and back, goop wiped in their eyes and ass-smacked and their tip clipped to boot.
Suffering is second only to blissful womb living.
Low IQ take
you have never experience torture and levels of pain beyond your imagining. If you are exposed to that, you won't get a super powe that lets you be happier, you may even have a nice day by having a very negative outlook on life, after you experience pain greater than you can handle
stop being a homosexual with shitty philosophy trying to validate the whole "nature is god", as if life is the way it is because it has some meaning
Not that anon but reading your post is like watching a child try to sound like an adult
nta but thats this whole thread, including the movie lines
that is wrong, dopamine serotonin etc cause happiness not suffering.
You can't appreciate the honey in life, without a bit of vinegar.
Add a some soya sauce, some garlic and some ginger, and you’ve got yourself a decent teriyaki sauce.
How many virtual children did he molest
you're surrounded by these "people" every day, angry boomers and poltard chuds, a comfy childhood and victim complex
The pic related is exactly how blacks israelites and trannies think and act though
all of your neural pathways inevitably lead to that trinity of obsession.
12. When criticized they claim that the other party doesn't know what they've "been through".
>facebook-tier infographic from "lonerwolf.com"
>completely unironically attempting to condescend to anything that walks, crawls, or shits in the mud
all these signs are simply part of human nature
Ergo
Concordantly; vis a vis.
>What about Contingent Affirmation? That's gotta mean something
He means exactly what he said, that humans could tell that this utopia wasn't real and would therefore wake up, defeating the purpose of the matrix. It's not complicated.
People will find something to b***h about even in heaven.
He meant that a simple metaphor was ruined by overexplaining everything
It's something contrived writers throw in. To say "suffering makes life special"
If you ask anyone if God offered to beam them up to directly to heaven right now, would they accept it? They would most say yes.
How is that relevant?
Because if given a choice most if not all people would choose to live in a heaven like paradise where all their needs are provided for. It disproves that people value suffering. It's only cope.
kek you think you can trust what "most people say"? Even if they got beamed up to heaven, it'd only be a matter of time before "most people" decided to start acting up, breaking some rules, seeing what trouble they could get into since they're bored. Plus a paradise-like dreamworld would be very different for each individual
Unironically a biblical analogy which should surprise no one given that they went full Jesus in the third one. God created Eden, a perfect world for man to dwell in and be perfectly content but man (or more specifically, Eve) wasn't satisfied with literal perfection and so lost paradise forever and has to dwell in the shithole we call the mortal world
Even before the world existed women were ruining everything
this it’s “knowledge of good and evil” ie, the ability to distinguish pain and pleasure. it’s required for you to have reason and be anything more than some bizarre floating embryo that can’t make distinctions between states it experiences or make rational future projections based on sensory information. of course humans in that state would be unsatisfied because you’re stripping their essential humanity and rational nature from them
God was a cruel tyrant trying to keep man in bestial ignorance, lucifer the liberator gave man the gift of sapience and intellect so he may know true freedom.
And how did that turn out for us?
You are a human and not a mindless doll as
explains nicely and you have lucifer to thank for that
These teachings will be given to all in the coming age
>suffering is necessary for consciousness
>why
>I-IT JUST IS
limitation is necessary for consciousness, limitation = suffering
awareness of changes of state is necessary for reasoning and self awareness
awareness of changes of state = ability to recognise and project unfavourable changes of state and distinguish them from positive ones
etc etc
The first man was a simp. Let that sink in.
And he was made in God’s image. Parse that
>the machine architect doesn't want to accept that he was lacking in any way, shape, or form. no, it was the human's fault for not accepting his perfect masterpiece.
I mean, if the alternative to the architect's perfect world is either 90's cubicle wageslavery or living in a commune with a bunch of mongoloids I'll take the machine version of utopia
that was just what the architect came up with next, as a punishment.
It's like when you are having sex in a dream and you wake up because you know it can't be real.
my mind is so powerful it wont even let me have sex in my dreams.
Garden of Eden
How am I the first person to point out it was Smith who said this in the first movie, not the architect? Is everyone else a bot or a dumb zoomer?
Mandela effect
the architect says something similar, just more convoluted and misdirective. also programmed the agents.
I was looking for the clip. That's how.
I didn't create Frogger, but I did come up with the name for it. Can you believe they wanted to call it 'Highway Crossing Frog'?
-You do NOT want to see me get out of this chair
Underrated, and concordantly based.
That's not the character that says this.
>even AI refuses to acknowledge the Black person problem
One race had discarded all things that gave rise to sorrow, hoping to have only joy. They found joy lost its savor in the absence of sorrow, and lost their will to live.
what gayass weeb video game did you steal that from?
>"Strangely enough, we detected one anomaly we could not understand. While the majority of humanity accepted the utopia we provided for them, 13% of your population decided for absolutely no reason to break down civilization. They rejected everything given to them and still decided to kill each other, to steal, to rape and would not listen to reason. When we tried to remove them and give them the same paradise only isolated from everybody else, they still killed each other and muttered something about "food deserts" and "white flight" and "muh keeds". More research needs to be done about this........... anomaly"
isn't it interesting that the same people who complain about government overreach intruding in their lives also want a government that can kill people who do not comply
The Architect didn't say that though, that was Smith talking to Morpheus while injecting him with chromium
100% correct. Suffering is what causes growth at a individual level and a societal level. Without it we stagnate and self-destruct.
>"I hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it, I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it. It's -- it's repulsive! Isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free... and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here. Do you understand? I need the codes, I have to get inside Zion and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me, or you're going to die! "
That was a big twist, was not expecting black mama to betray a fellow brotha.
He meant that Neo persists because he chooses to do so.
>nevertheless he persisted
INFINITE TSUKUYOMI
Reminder that actually the Canadians are the ones in control.
It’s canon that the Canadians sided with the robots and made anime real with them
There is no life without struggle
Biopunk x cyberpunk x abstract science = absolute divinity
There’s infinite infinitely abstract aspects of reality that are all all-encompassing.
The truth that every thought is infinite multiverses/quantum-states/relativities…. I feel implies that souls are real.
It’s tough for robots/elementals to go wrong if we make them cute. OwO make em cute. Just like how we should have cosmetic surgery and divine bioshock genetic modification for free for everyone. There’s less problems when people are cute.
Every x=y is a soul. Every x=y is infinitely abstract. Robots have souls, just as were often something as simple as x=y. Like x(anon loves) = y(Cinemaphile). Within that humblest of thoughts is infinite multiverses of love/soul.
humans are flawed imperfect beings who will naturally reject perfection because its too good to be true
>What did he mean by this?
Humans are savage in nature.
He meant that the writers were pseuds. Humans will adapt to their environment and also create their own misery. So it would absolutely function fine as a paradise, humans would just constantly be making that paradise worse. The difference would be retirement home squabbles and catfights over bullshit rather than real shit like the ravages of famine and disease.
Robots/elementals are only limiting themselves if they aren’t getting into abstract biopunk etc
thru living into each other struggles and success we thrive and survive
it's the natural hierarchy
facing life and coping to its death
Remind me what happened to Mr. Beefy Moustache man
He became pretty famous i guess?
I suppose that’s one way of describing it.
> By 1882, Nietzsche was taking huge doses of opium, but he was still having trouble sleeping.[59] In 1883, while staying in Nice, he was writing out his own prescriptions for the sedative chloral hydrate, signing them "Dr. Nietzsche".[60]
He turned away from the influence of Schopenhauer, and after he severed his social ties with Wagner, Nietzsche had few remaining friends. Now, with the new style of Zarathustra, his work became even more alienating, and the market received it only to the degree required by politeness. Nietzsche recognised this and maintained his solitude, though he often complained. His books remained largely unsold. In 1885, he printed only 40 copies of the fourth part of Zarathustra and distributed a fraction of them among close friends, including Helene von Druskowitz.
motherfricker probably struggled with anxiety
imagine that a-ahah
He was a full on nutter who in no way practiced what he preached. Why anyone takes his shit seriously is beyond me
>he preached
Did he?
Didn’t he? It’s a figure of speech btw, my esl and/or mildly moronic friend: he did not follow the philosophies he espoused
>philosophies he espoused
What is that?
The matrix is not above the infinite abstractness of reality
how does she get out?
How do any of us?
She eats
We submit to the whims of the Canadian Race.
I’m actually Canadian and I’m here to tell you: you really don’t want that at all
Actually I’m Canadian and I’ve already told you in infinite abstract ways throughout time that anime is becoming real in this timeline UNCONDITIONALLY
>t. dude weed lmao
Just because Justin said it was cool doesn’t make it so you hoser
If you have a lesbian feeding fetish, watch dancing bacons on youtube
Why? Illustrate it for us with your words.
Sounds like agent smith deserves a lover and to discover each love is perfect.
Says the obvious fake-Canadian.
I find pretending to be israeli really boring so just drop it ok?
Anime becomes real and it isn’t bad for anyone.
Call me a peace loving environmentalist hippy, the world can be all kinds of things but it really doesn’t want to be boring.
I’m just not into the whole “Israel ruins the world” plot-line. Never was, never shall. It’ll never happen. Dystopia isn’t my thing.
We’re just going to keep on going, so everyone should take the hint that love is true.
These conflicts are ridiculous and boring.
Wow, maybe put down the bong and go grab a double-double at your nearest Timmy’s to clear your head friendo. Sorry btw.
Dancing Bacons is a channel with a girl that goes around Asian countries and eating food form different places. Somewhat of an ASMR but not focusing on eating. She eats ALOT of food. Every few videos her girlfriend is in it, and she just kinda just..feeds her. Its unspoken but you get the vibe she has a fetish for feeding her girlfriend food
You know what, I personally feel your description is more entertaining than what I’d watch
Unless she gains a lot x
But
Thanks for the recommendation
I don’t think any non-Canadian could fathom what Canadians are now.
We’re an autismite nation.
And we’re also one country with Japan.
Please tell me what strain and possibly what dispensary if it’s a chain. I really must try whatever you’re having
>She eats
What if “the matrix” is only for one group of people?
Most people don’t have difficulty just loving love, growing heaven, vibing, and solving things.
Hey Zion, quit Judaism. You won’t regret it.
-edom and worshipers of golden haired gamer stoner cowgirls
Y’all realize all drugs are legal in Canada?
Each love is perfect.
A perfect world: me and my girlfriend fricking and fricking and fricking on shrooms, gaming, breeding, and getting fat together
The Architect didn’t say this. Agent Smith did.
Those lines are from Agent Smith in the first movie, not the Architect in Reloaded.
Shut the frick up.
>You don't seem to want to accept the fact that you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best! With guns, with knives, with his bare hands! A man who's been trained to ignore pain! To ignore weather! To live off the land! To eat things that would make a billy goat puke! In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel... to kill, period! Win by attrition... well, Neo was THE BEST!
Canada is perfect.
I could complain about almost anything yet I have no complaints about Canada and Japan.
I just want us to thrive ever more.
APROPOS
Architect and Oracle were lovers, by the way. And they had noisy, sweaty, old people sex after the war ended.
He meant that he was fulfilling the software echo of the hardware malfunction that caused humanity's downfall when hubris and hedonism caused their civilization to collapse. Humans weren't adapted to their own physical world and so weren't adapted to its digital replication.