I literally stopped going to the cinema for this reason. If you slap a shitty filter on everything, then I'm sorry, but your movie is a small screen experience.
god, fricking, damn it. I didnt know this was a fricking apple movie. frick. This honestly looks terrible. Its might just be the god awful fricking trailer. I guess they have to make this historical drama palatable to fricking zoomies? Everything about how it is cut was fricking stupid. Also, theres an audio editing mistake @1:19 seconds. Cool. Is this Amatuer hour? I think Phoenix is a great actor and he was a good pic but it really isnt showcasing that. Alsom and this is just a common complaint of Ridley Scott at this point, is France some fricking cold ass place like fricking alaska? The color temp of this movie is so muted and blue. That one sun rise shot was nice tho. Honestly any excitement i had for this is now gone. Will torrent someday, FRICK APPLE.
I think its a reaction to the cameras being so good now that they will lose the cinematic look. Kind of like when you go to Best Buy and a TV has ultra strong motion smoothing turned on and the movie looks like a film of the set and not an actual film. So they over compensate by fricking with the colors instead of spending time fine tuning their lighting and lens to get the proper look.
Noooooo you just don't understand Lawrence of Arabia looks uncinematic because it isn't alternatively hit with a Piss Yellow or Slurpee Blue LUT at all moments!
that's a ridley scott special
he got away with it in gladiator and proceeded to use that shit in every other movie he made
also he got kinonically cucked by master and commander
Because it hides poorly done CGI and lighting errors. CGI is in almost every frame of film these days, from stupid simple shit like steam off a bowl of soup, and the filters help blend it better without you instantly beig distracted from uncanny valley issues that your brain picks up on.
To add mood to a scene. It's meant to be as part of the setting as the background. Adding a dimmer is the easiest way to add a sense of melancholy to a scene.
Because its done by geezers with crappy eye sight who spend tons of time walking around with sunglasses on.
Because it hides poorly done CGI and lighting errors. CGI is in almost every frame of film these days, from stupid simple shit like steam off a bowl of soup, and the filters help blend it better without you instantly beig distracted from uncanny valley issues that your brain picks up on.
These people are moronic. This has been done for decades.
If I was a mad billionaire I'd hire someone to go and replace the crappier explosions and smoke puffs with either realistic ones, or full on Hollywood style versions. I get that it was the 60's, and they didn't want to accidentally take somebodys head off, but these old effects really take you out of it.
If I was a mad billionaire I'd hire someone to go and replace the crappier explosions and smoke puffs with either realistic ones, or full on Hollywood style versions. I get that it was the 60's, and they didn't want to accidentally take somebodys head off, but these old effects really take you out of it.
Mosfilm War and Peace has some great old school Epic Film moments but the narrative it's trying to adapt is a much taller order (because War and Peace is frankly pretty loopy) and it doesn't really pull it off.
How in the hell are modern movies so much more expensive to produce when 90% of what you see is CGI and older movies like this had to pay to have an absolute fricking ton of people flown out to a location (often an exotic place), costumed, trained, fed and housed?
Columbia Pictures published a 28-page, full-colour pictorial guide when it released Waterloo in 1970. According to the guidebook, Italian producer Dino De Laurentiis had difficulty finding financial backers for the massive undertaking until he began talks with the Soviets in the late 1960s and reached agreement with Mosfilm. Final costs were over £12 million (GBP) (equivalent to about U.S. $38.3 million in 1970), making Waterloo one of the most expensive movies ever made, for its time.
Had the movie been filmed in the West, costs might have been as much as three times this. Mosfilm contributed more than £4 million of the costs, and nearly 17,000 soldiers of the Soviet Army, including a full brigade of Soviet cavalry, and a host of engineers and labourers to prepare the battlefield in the rolling farmland outside Uzhhorod, Ukrainian SSR.
To recreate the battlefield "authentically", the Soviets bulldozed away two hills, laid five miles of roads, transplanted 5,000 trees, sowed fields of rye, barley and wildflowers and reconstructed four historic buildings. To create the mud, more than six miles of underground irrigation piping was specially laid. Most of the battle scenes were filmed using five Panavision cameras simultaneously – from ground level, from 100-foot towers, from a helicopter, and from an overhead railway built right across the location.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_(1970_film)#Production
11 months ago
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>they actually recreated the entire fricking battlefield authentically, right down to tree locations, fields of actual crops and irrigation piping
Film is dead now, holy shit.
11 months ago
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That makes sense
1965 War and Peace (
Imagine being so ulikeable and friendless that you start arguments over the current reddit thing on a movie discussion forum
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1960s War and Peace has several kino scenes too
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also used the red army to create the battlefields and masses of men. Mass horse riding through masses of explosion effects is especially too risky for western studios, but so is the mass mobilization of people.
I don't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if a few people somehow got seriously hurt just from there being too many people running around.
Because they're only more expensive on paper. CGI is the greatest boon to hollywood accounting since "marketing" budgets. Either you only "break even" and still make money or, you get a smash hit and all of the money go to shell corporations that own CGI farms and marketing companies, all based in other countries. That way there's no taxes to be had but the company doesn't get the bad PR involved with basing the mother company in a tax haven, and of course you get to fool all the people who should get paid residuals and percentages of profits. The guy who wrote The Men In Black script talked recently about how he still gets letters telling him that the movie still hasn't broken even so sadly they can't pay him yet.
11 months ago
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>The guy who wrote The Men In Black script talked recently about how he still gets letters telling him that the movie still hasn't broken even so sadly they can't pay him yet.
wat
11 months ago
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Writers are supposed to get paid extra if their movie is a success. It's an obvious system that incentivise them to write smash hits because they share in the huge profits, letting the companies buy the script cheaper to begin with. Except on paper MiB hasn't made a profit despite spawning a franchise, because it's all eaten up by "marketing" budgets and other bullshit. I'm pretty sure The Lord of The Rings has similar frickery where they claim it didn't make a profit because the marketing cost them so much. Basically all big company movies do these days since Hollywood has kept the right pockets padded for so long that the IRS and government in general just won't care about the blatant fraud going on.
11 months ago
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I don't know what a shell corporation or tax haven is and cannot comprehend any of your post, so I'm going to assume it just means evil israeli business strategies.
>bbc tv series managed to do waterloo at a more impressive scale
I highly doubt it anon, the film you're insulting at 17,000 extras on set and is one of the best Napoleon films ever made.
they do? Why do you think they call The West in to help?
11 months ago
Anonymous
the west who is running out of regular ammunition right now
the west to which the supply lines are not underneath a nuclear umbrella and can be cut off by russia at any given time they choose theve had it
the west where practically nobody is willing to die for ukraine
it's like me telling you to pick a fistfight with one of the klitschkos and handing you some brass knuckles
good luck son
might makes right
11 months ago
Anonymous
how long was this invasion supposed to take again? (3 days, 2 weeks, or more than a year?)
maybe you all forget when Wagner made Russia shit itself
11 months ago
Anonymous
Gotta love the "Wow, it took five of you to kill me" of geopolitics.
11 months ago
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sounds like Russian cope >fighting one of the poorest countries in Europe = fighting the combined might of the west because they are receiving literally free (for the five eyes) intelligence and decades old equipment (that shot down Russia’s hypersonics) that needed to be scrapped
reminder, Florida alone is a genuine rival for Russian GDP
>how long was this invasion supposed to take again
until every ukrainian willing to take arms and fight a guerilla war against eventual occupation ha been reduced to dust
[...] >Maybe it wont pay off but maybe it will? It doenst really matter all that matters is who's left standing
how did that work out for western-backed anti-assad forces. they are dead, the land in ruins and assad still in power
the US is spreading misery by urging whimps picking fights with bulging boxers
>to dust
you will be lucky to keep your invasion territorial gains at this rate
if you’re unlucky, you’ll lose your 2014 gains
hopefully no one will give Ukraine old jets or there might be actual CAS in this war
11 months ago
Anonymous
im not an ivan bro sorry. i can afford to not care if russia wins or loses. however you have to ask yourself how ukraine can claw back land against air and artillery supriority. whatever resources ukraine can field, russia can counter it
so the grind continues
11 months ago
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>claw back land against air and artillery supriority
probably with their own, we will see if Ukraine actually does receive jets
although, the main win con might be Russian destabilization/political pullout
it’s so strange to me, going from Russia will take Ukraine in a week, to Russia will take it in a couple months, to Russia might actually collapse (I doubt it personally, but here we are actually considering it)
I was in the “Russia will take it in a week” camp before the war started, so many things have changed
yes, im of the opinion that this will be basically korea 2.0, a frozen conflict.... but for Ukrainians that might be better than full subsummation by Russia.
I do not think Russia will have the demographics to keep that up long term(specifically educated and skilled) or likely the economic resources
both were in the shitter before the war, and it’s only going to get worse as it drags on and brain drain becomes as bad as it is in 3rd world nations
but then again, best Korea still exists, and Ukraines demographics aren’t too hot either
11 months ago
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>we will see if Ukraine actually does receive jets
it wont received them at scale. 100 f-16s cant change the outcome of the war >I was in the “Russia will take it in a week” camp before the war started, so many things have changed
well i didnt know that ukraine had received 10 production years of javelin atgms from the US alone. the amount of hardware shoved into ukraine was unthinkable before the war
11 months ago
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Those items are just stop gaps to prevent Ukrainian collapse they are not going to let them take the fight on the offensive. Also the hodgepodge of different variants in the hand me downs they will get are going to be a logistical nightmare.
11 months ago
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they are degraded the western stockpiles are waning production is slow to ramp up and meanwhile the ukrainian base of both intelligent and motivated fighters is being worn down
11 months ago
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ukraine has the same average age as russia and much higher losses relative to the overall population
11 months ago
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>Ukraines demographics aren’t too hot either
Ukraine is in a much more dire situation. Their troops are fricking exhausted and cannot rotate anywhere near as much. Defending is one thing but offensives being ground down are a killer for morale. Russia has not conscripted anywhere near the number it can and has not even brought in the penal units it has been laying the groundwork for.
11 months ago
Anonymous
fair point, I think Ukraine has to kill something like > 3 Russians per every Ukrainian death? They could keep that up easily while defending, but offensive maneuvers are different.
however, it’s dubious that Russia could really conscript more soldiers, their political situation appears tenuous at the moment
11 months ago
Anonymous
They could conscript many more - what do you think is going to happen? They can also recruit overseas and from prisons. There are various downsides to this but the benefits of the force multiplication outweigh them. Simply killing 3 for 1 is not enough, troops need to be rotated and rested or their performance degrades. You simply cannot do this if you constantly need your best troops to rush from hotspot to hotspot. Even the US faced this problem in Vietnam and the War on Terror.
11 months ago
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what are you hoping to accomplish by posting this here
11 months ago
Anonymous
part of my two point plat to 1) show Ukraine#1 anon that his/her/xir's hopes are based on nothing more than uncriticised r*ddit circlejerk and 2) to make this thread hit it's limit before you get to talk about your kino made by over the hill Ridley.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>to make this thread hit it's limit before you get to talk about your kino made by over the hill Ridley.
you are a colossal homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
All Ridley had to do was let Blomkamp make his little Alien 5 fan film but no his ego took over and we got those two shitty movies. This is my small revenge.
11 months ago
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Yeah I dont care about ridley scott that much but youre still a colossal homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
thank you for helping me with your posts.
11 months ago
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11 months ago
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again russia has air and artillery superiority
what do u think why zelensky is rambling about power plant accidents and begging for nato ascension? because the war is goign great?
no it's going badly and without some extraordinary event ukraine will lose. its soldiers already have lost over western weapons not being enough to beat the russians
11 months ago
Anonymous
who are you talking to? Your response does not seem to relate to anything I said.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>decades old equipment (that shot down Russia’s hypersonics)
this fricking r*ddit circlejerk bullshit again... >hopefully no one will give Ukraine old jets or there might be actual CAS in this war
Not happening. CAS and helicopters are like cavalry in world war two. Still has a few niche uses in certain circumstances but modern technology has removed it from playing any major part. Please tell me you are not one of those nitwits who think A10s or Apaches would last five minutes against Russia or China?
11 months ago
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Even the vatBlack folk realize that gunships are useless boomer bullshit when you have aa out the ass.
11 months ago
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kek the vets have seen some good use out of the gunships on the defensive when you have air superiority and out of range of their AA.
11 months ago
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>this fricking r*ddit circlejerk bullshit again
Reminder that le superpower doesn't have air superiority year and a half into the conflict.
11 months ago
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>it's another americans dont understand ground war episode
11 months ago
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>It's another europoors/thirdworlders larping as strategist when their moronic mongrel brother starts losing another war. When was the last time your country was in any significant conflict?
11 months ago
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Th vatniks do, there is a difference between air superiority and air dominance.
11 months ago
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you're extremely invested into something extremely uninteresting
literally no one fricking cares
11 months ago
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>how long was this invasion supposed to take again
until every ukrainian willing to take arms and fight a guerilla war against eventual occupation ha been reduced to dust
Ukraine knew it didnt have the power alone to stand up to russia and they understood at the end of the day that's all that matters so they did the one thing they could; called for help. Maybe it wont pay off but maybe it will? It doenst really matter all that matters is who's left standing .
>Maybe it wont pay off but maybe it will? It doenst really matter all that matters is who's left standing
how did that work out for western-backed anti-assad forces. they are dead, the land in ruins and assad still in power
the US is spreading misery by urging whimps picking fights with bulging boxers
11 months ago
Anonymous
You think the US cares about misery or Russia? lol
again, countries aren't people it's not about emotions it's about the great game and what these countries can offer strategically.
11 months ago
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so who is going to listen to the US in the future when it tries to stir up shit and tells people >ill cover your back bro
11 months ago
Anonymous
depends on how good this war goes and how well their propaganda keeps up. Russia is a decent example. This war has shown their tech to be absolutely awful yet other nations are still buying because their propaganda is effective.
11 months ago
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one of the reasons the counteroffensive stalled was because superior electronic warefare capabilities of the russians. and i dont believe for a second that patriots can down kinzhals
the russian tech is the same as in ww2: effective enough to get the job done at scale
11 months ago
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that's very true and for many nations that's enough
11 months ago
Anonymous
for ukraine to overcome russia's resources it would need deliveries that move more towards ww2 levels of conflict. it's hard to imagine that russia would stand by and let an expansion of deliveries to those levels happen.
11 months ago
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yes, im of the opinion that this will be basically korea 2.0, a frozen conflict.... but for Ukrainians that might be better than full subsummation by Russia.
11 months ago
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it all depends on if russia wants odessa and transnistria. and if the west can keep up the flow of artillery shells and other hardware. i dont see russia wanting to occupy regions were there are hardly any ethnic russians. it's too costly for no gain.
11 months ago
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>russia would stand by and let an expansion of deliveries to those levels happen
literally what would they do? All they done when we have escalated was throw a hissy fit and threaten to nuke.
11 months ago
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Not really, this is the mistake Nazi Germany made trying to mass produce crap that eroded their advantages they did have in the field. Ukraine is getting a few nice toys to test in the field but Uncle Sam is being extremely israeli and only releasing more when they are clearly not going to win without it. 500 days in and they are only now going to get cluster munitions? Also most of the kraut equipment sent to them has been impractical in real world conditions which is going to make any future exports harder for them.
11 months ago
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nope they tried to come up with some wunderwaffen to try to compensate for a shortfall in manpower and resources. they're gains early on came from superior combat experience >Also most of the kraut equipment sent to them has been impractical in real world conditions which is going to make any future exports harder for them.
lol. any other mbt would have ended just the same from mines and/or 152mm artillery fire
11 months ago
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Ukraine knew it didnt have the power alone to stand up to russia and they understood at the end of the day that's all that matters so they did the one thing they could; called for help. Maybe it wont pay off but maybe it will? It doenst really matter all that matters is who's left standing .
the us (all of nato and friends actually) is running out of conventional artillery shells to provide to ukraine. russia has been outgunning ukraine for nearly 18 months now
that's why we're sending cluster munitions now. here is a full explanation so you can read it and then not tell anyone because you're afraid of being drafted for demoralization.
>we're so desperate we gotta send cluster munitions >munitions designed to break up attack formations >u got to use them in trench warfare now though sorry
so that's the strength of the "sole remaining global power" and its allies
Yes, yes, Ivan, just two more weeks and the three day military operation is succesful.
11 months ago
Anonymous
War is not a sporting match. It did not achieve the original hoped for objectives. That does not mean that they are still not going to stay fighting to achieve more modest goals that motivated the original action. Do you think Ukraine is going to be able to last another five hundred days?
didn’t Russia have a recent coup attempt(even if it was mostly for show)?
when was the last time a 2nd world nation even had one? maybe some South American shithole?
it’s honestly laughable
the funniest part is, win or lose this war, let’s even assume Russia keeps all its current territorial gains
the country is absolutely fricked, some of the worst demographics in history, no strong government institutions, and ever worsening brain drain, and a government showing businesses it’s belligerent and potentially unstable (anathema to foreign investment and businesses)
Russia thinks like an early 20th century petro state (because it is), truly Nigeria with snow
11 months ago
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this sounds like >sanctions will collapse russia within months >putin will soon face revolution >just two more weeks
the global south doesnt agree with NATO's view of the conflict
11 months ago
Anonymous
this sounds like >sanctions will collapse russia within months >putin will soon face revolution >just two more weeks
the global south doesnt agree with NATO's view of the conflict
Make your own thread you goddamned queers
11 months ago
Anonymous
dude, south america is whiter than the united states, and russia is more powerful than ukraine and nato combined lmao, united states is a honorary african nation
11 months ago
Anonymous
Didn't the US also have a recent coup attempt? And I am not talking about where General Milley called his Chinese counterpart and promised to overthrow the President if he ordered a strike against them.
11 months ago
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ah, shit, you are right! ukrainesisters, I don't feel so good
I used to believe that before the 1900s colours used for buildings and clothes and other stuff were not that bright and had a greyish tint to them, I don’t know where I got this belief from.
You're sort of right but what actually was going on is that cities had tons of smog and soot residue. London's famous fog for example was just coal smog that just smothered the entire city. Even if you painted something bright red within a year it'd look black from a distance.
>new grading of the film made under the supervision of [someone vaguely related to the original production who we payed to use their name in this blurb] in stunning 4k!
I was pleasantly surprised by 2049 being as good a followup to Blade Runner as it was but while the script was excellent it doesn't hold a candle to the original visually or sonically.
No, Napoleon had great respect for ancient Egypt. He took hundreds of scientists and historians with him there to study the culture, monuments etc. Hack screen writing.
You fixed it with digital color grading though.
It’s more like the pipeline of post since digital cameras and digital color grading has been a disaster.
Ridley Scott is hack, he has always been a hack.
He made a couple of good movies in the beginning only out of beginner's luck.
His last good movie was the Gladiator and even that one is very overrated.
For 23 years now, he hasn't made a single good movie.
that's color corrected through a camera
just like a few weeks ago when NY was covered in that forest fire smoke shit from up north, a lot of cameras made it seem way less than it actually was due to all the processing going on
you had to disable a lot of that shit to get a natural picture or use a really good camera and not a phone camera
ever notice how in movies stuff doesnt look nearly as impressive as it does in real life? are there any movies that manage to replicate that feeling of wonder? Other than maybe animated movies like Howls Moving Castle
I'm positive the people responsible for all the filters are some pseuds who believe they are evoking or strengthening moods
you got your blue for melancholic, cold, slow whatever and your yellowish for heat, tension, exposition
it's so fricking dumb, man and I used to be a blue filter homosexual back then
Not really. As long as it reads, it works, so a dark subject on a bright background works (which this image doesnt have so LOL)
They should've framed him against the sky to make the background bright or wrapped the sunlight around him to give him an edge so he stands out against the wall. That said, you can only do so much on a schedule with that big a production
I'm a filmmaker, and I've been a young filmmaker so I know where this comes from. It's usually one of a two things. >editor or colorist is hyped up by the tools at his disposal >feels like he has to do something beyond just leveling everything out >drops in filters and LUTs until something looks moody >prefers and pushes touched up look regardless of if it looked better before because he feels like he did more
or >sends producer graded WIP cut of the film >"This is GREAT. Could we be more dramatic with the colors? I've attached the old proof of concept mood sheet I made a two years ago out of vaguely cinematic images I got from Google that matched no particular vision other than replicating what my artless mind has been trained to think a real movie looks like. Can we just do whatever they did so it feels properly cinematic? I will continue requesting this regardless of anyone else's advice. You're the man!"
>"This is GREAT. Could we be more dramatic with the colors? I've attached the old proof of concept mood sheet I made a two years ago out of vaguely cinematic images I got from Google that matched no particular vision other than replicating what my artless mind has been trained to think a real movie looks like. Can we just do whatever they did so it feels properly cinematic? I will continue requesting this regardless of anyone else's advice. You're the man!"
its this
we made a sketch one time and the editor color graded it to where everything was yellow and my buddy said "wow it looks like a movie!"
>"This is GREAT. Could we be more dramatic with the colors? I've attached the old proof of concept mood sheet I made a two years ago out of vaguely cinematic images I got from Google that matched no particular vision other than replicating what my artless mind has been trained to think a real movie looks like. Can we just do whatever they did so it feels properly cinematic? I will continue requesting this regardless of anyone else's advice. You're the man!"
its this
we made a sketch one time and the editor color graded it to where everything was yellow and my buddy said "wow it looks like a movie!"
How hard would it be to just undo their shitty filters with modern day editing? Could someone on here edit the movie to look like the edited screenhots like these
The windex or piss filter is applied to the original recording (much higher fidelity), then shrunk down to the screening resolution. It's not just reduction of saturation or slight shift towards a certain color, there is also reduction of light/shadow range and sometimes they simply wash out a scene with overlays as well, which inevitably destroys some of the existing detail. If you then applied another filter on top to try and lighten up and saturate the movie, you'd get spots where it looks like shit because it would expose the spots where the destroyed detail was destroyed.
So you can try to bring the color back, but messing with the light or contrast is not gonna work without some kind of deep learning AI that tries to restore those spots in each frame, which would be very hard to develop and execute
>some kind of deep learning AI that tries to restore those spots
Thats actually a pretty good idea. They have AI that go the other way, so it should be possible.
I'm also a filmmaker.
It's the latter. A combination of focus-testing and producers having an image in their mind.
They want the films to look "modern", which normally means that each frame has to have a prevailing tint that captures its mood.
Additionally, audiences also want the films to look "modern", which means that they want it to not look the old films that their parents would watch.
Hackson exposed for the fraud he is. He made ONE good movie, Fellowship, and that was the one he chose to ruin so that it matched The Hobbit. He also wishes he could redo all of the orcs in CG.
Fellowship of the Ring isn't really fair to dunk on because 90% of the weird color comes from the same batch of Blu Rays that were burned incorrectly or something
>Fellowship of the Ring isn't really fair to dunk on because 90% of the weird color comes from the same batch of Blu Rays that were burned incorrectly or something
Fellowship Bluray theatrical = no DNR and perfect colour
Fellowship Bluray extended = no DNR but tinted
Fellowship 4k Bluray = terrible DNR but perfect colour
The best version therefore is the Extended Bluray, but you have to change your television settings to compensate (and the colour still won't be quite as good as Bluray theatrical)
It would be cooler if these types of movies that end up doing the darker filters copied from hammer horror and made significant or emblematic objects brighter in contrast. I can picture a napoleonic battlefield and the men wear dreary faded uniforms in dour weather conditions but their battle flags retaining their regular colors or made brighter in the center shots would be pretty kino.
Newhomosexuals just discovered how Ridley grades his movies? Man i knew redditors were moronic but surely i thought theyd have at least seen aliens. Youre a colossal autistic homosexual OP
He's the 2nd to last boss from Metroid. Big purple dragon with a knife at the end of his tail. He directs movies when he's not stealing bioweapons and murdering people.
I suspect it's Californians who never take their sunglasses off. They spend their entire life wearing them, even when visiting other, less sunny states and think that's how the world is supposed to look like.
Modern historical movies try way too hard to make everything look brown, dour and miserable and at this point there is obviously an agenda to make the past seem like a terrible miserable place. It's not just medieval stuff either they do it with anything set before the 1960s civil rights movement. They have to sell the myth of progress.
This is one of the major psychological factors at play. Movies like Lawrence of Arabia and Barry Lyndon make the past look seductive and alluring and magical. Digital color grading seems to intentionally look like shit, it's meant to be offputting. Yes normies, 2023 totally isn't the dystopia that it feels like, look how grimdark and depressing everything USED to be!
i do think the time line of >trump makes phonecall to ukraine about "corruption" >gets impeached on the testimony of alexander vindman, a ukrainian >biden gets behind the levers of power >hundreds of billions of dollars funneled to ukraine
is kinda suspicious
speaking of
did they put a filter over newer releases of the first Jurassic Park? I watched that a year or two ago and looked REALLY orange and honestly it looked like shit. I didn't remember it looking so filtered as a kid.
Why exactly is this happening, is it because the producer is standing over the shoulder of the editor and being like "I bought this LUT pack from the marketplace bruh let's check em out. Double the strength of that one. Perfect"
The color grading legit changes de composition and if you can't see that in the OP you are blind
Taken, they make a poor job at conveying something valuable, but the work is clearly there
>Like what is going on here and why
The blue hue is easily explained when you realise that the directors are all old rich men with a steady supply of young women. They simply think the world looks that blue at this point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanopsia
It's happening because there's a job called "color grader" and likely a whole team of them.
They're on the payroll. And to make it known they're on the payroll they have to do their job so it's obvious and visible, otherwise what's the point in paying them at all.
So over time they started to color grade more and more and more and more.
Now you're in a situation where you have a normal shot that might be okay with a little tweak and the expert color grader that worked on all the hit movies in the last 10 years comes in and just cranks the blue or yellow up to 11 and everyone claps.
I literally stopped going to the cinema for this reason. If you slap a shitty filter on everything, then I'm sorry, but your movie is a small screen experience.
based and correct
god, fricking, damn it. I didnt know this was a fricking apple movie. frick. This honestly looks terrible. Its might just be the god awful fricking trailer. I guess they have to make this historical drama palatable to fricking zoomies? Everything about how it is cut was fricking stupid. Also, theres an audio editing mistake @1:19 seconds. Cool. Is this Amatuer hour? I think Phoenix is a great actor and he was a good pic but it really isnt showcasing that. Alsom and this is just a common complaint of Ridley Scott at this point, is France some fricking cold ass place like fricking alaska? The color temp of this movie is so muted and blue. That one sun rise shot was nice tho. Honestly any excitement i had for this is now gone. Will torrent someday, FRICK APPLE.
yeah, if the director approves of this shit he is not making cinema. not worth watching.
cinematography is dead
they do this shit to hide how bad the CGI can look
I think its a reaction to the cameras being so good now that they will lose the cinematic look. Kind of like when you go to Best Buy and a TV has ultra strong motion smoothing turned on and the movie looks like a film of the set and not an actual film. So they over compensate by fricking with the colors instead of spending time fine tuning their lighting and lens to get the proper look.
That's for digital, and it's no excuse when you can fricking film in physical anon
Not that it can be fairly compared to Napoleon, but Super Mario Bros was immune to the drabness as well.
Noooooo you just don't understand Lawrence of Arabia looks uncinematic because it isn't alternatively hit with a Piss Yellow or Slurpee Blue LUT at all moments!
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I KNEEL
>then I'm sorry
you shouldn't be, KING
remasters ruining the colors have been a disaster for home cinema
color correction is free and easy anon
top looks better
if youre a moron
and i repeat
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>le blue filter
why does every movie continue to do this?
Because its done by geezers with crappy eye sight who spend tons of time walking around with sunglasses on.
that's a ridley scott special
he got away with it in gladiator and proceeded to use that shit in every other movie he made
also he got kinonically cucked by master and commander
Because it hides poorly done CGI and lighting errors. CGI is in almost every frame of film these days, from stupid simple shit like steam off a bowl of soup, and the filters help blend it better without you instantly beig distracted from uncanny valley issues that your brain picks up on.
To add mood to a scene. It's meant to be as part of the setting as the background. Adding a dimmer is the easiest way to add a sense of melancholy to a scene.
These people are moronic. This has been done for decades.
Why are the squares so small?
Even a BBC tv series managed to do Waterloo at a more impressive scale than this
Nothing beats waterloo
If I was a mad billionaire I'd hire someone to go and replace the crappier explosions and smoke puffs with either realistic ones, or full on Hollywood style versions. I get that it was the 60's, and they didn't want to accidentally take somebodys head off, but these old effects really take you out of it.
shut the frick up
Go to an old fort and see a cannon, a blast from a real one doesnt look like this at all. The movie ones look like toys in comparison.
1960s War and Peace has several kino scenes too
Mosfilm War and Peace has some great old school Epic Film moments but the narrative it's trying to adapt is a much taller order (because War and Peace is frankly pretty loopy) and it doesn't really pull it off.
>Ford's tracking shots
>gif
How in the hell are modern movies so much more expensive to produce when 90% of what you see is CGI and older movies like this had to pay to have an absolute fricking ton of people flown out to a location (often an exotic place), costumed, trained, fed and housed?
Double posting but budgets for reference:
>Lawrence of Arabia: $15 million
>Jurassic Park: $63 million
>Dunc: $165 million
>Rings of Power, Season 1, 8 Episodes Total: Approximately $750 million
Columbia Pictures published a 28-page, full-colour pictorial guide when it released Waterloo in 1970. According to the guidebook, Italian producer Dino De Laurentiis had difficulty finding financial backers for the massive undertaking until he began talks with the Soviets in the late 1960s and reached agreement with Mosfilm. Final costs were over £12 million (GBP) (equivalent to about U.S. $38.3 million in 1970), making Waterloo one of the most expensive movies ever made, for its time.
Had the movie been filmed in the West, costs might have been as much as three times this. Mosfilm contributed more than £4 million of the costs, and nearly 17,000 soldiers of the Soviet Army, including a full brigade of Soviet cavalry, and a host of engineers and labourers to prepare the battlefield in the rolling farmland outside Uzhhorod, Ukrainian SSR.
To recreate the battlefield "authentically", the Soviets bulldozed away two hills, laid five miles of roads, transplanted 5,000 trees, sowed fields of rye, barley and wildflowers and reconstructed four historic buildings. To create the mud, more than six miles of underground irrigation piping was specially laid. Most of the battle scenes were filmed using five Panavision cameras simultaneously – from ground level, from 100-foot towers, from a helicopter, and from an overhead railway built right across the location.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_(1970_film)#Production
>they actually recreated the entire fricking battlefield authentically, right down to tree locations, fields of actual crops and irrigation piping
Film is dead now, holy shit.
That makes sense
1965 War and Peace (
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also used the red army to create the battlefields and masses of men. Mass horse riding through masses of explosion effects is especially too risky for western studios, but so is the mass mobilization of people.
I don't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if a few people somehow got seriously hurt just from there being too many people running around.
Because they're only more expensive on paper. CGI is the greatest boon to hollywood accounting since "marketing" budgets. Either you only "break even" and still make money or, you get a smash hit and all of the money go to shell corporations that own CGI farms and marketing companies, all based in other countries. That way there's no taxes to be had but the company doesn't get the bad PR involved with basing the mother company in a tax haven, and of course you get to fool all the people who should get paid residuals and percentages of profits. The guy who wrote The Men In Black script talked recently about how he still gets letters telling him that the movie still hasn't broken even so sadly they can't pay him yet.
>The guy who wrote The Men In Black script talked recently about how he still gets letters telling him that the movie still hasn't broken even so sadly they can't pay him yet.
wat
Writers are supposed to get paid extra if their movie is a success. It's an obvious system that incentivise them to write smash hits because they share in the huge profits, letting the companies buy the script cheaper to begin with. Except on paper MiB hasn't made a profit despite spawning a franchise, because it's all eaten up by "marketing" budgets and other bullshit. I'm pretty sure The Lord of The Rings has similar frickery where they claim it didn't make a profit because the marketing cost them so much. Basically all big company movies do these days since Hollywood has kept the right pockets padded for so long that the IRS and government in general just won't care about the blatant fraud going on.
I don't know what a shell corporation or tax haven is and cannot comprehend any of your post, so I'm going to assume it just means evil israeli business strategies.
>bbc tv series managed to do waterloo at a more impressive scale
I highly doubt it anon, the film you're insulting at 17,000 extras on set and is one of the best Napoleon films ever made.
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Normally it's morons complaining about colour grading but I have to admit that these alternative grades all look significantly better
Is that a filter on top of a filter?
>ugh, yellow and blue filters!
Meanwhile this is the Napoleon movie you gush over
People gush over Waterloo, not this, and you know it damn well.
Why do they do this? Is there an easy way to get around it at least if we are watching at home?
>waterloo but soulless
I didnt know Napoleon invaded Mexico
Napoleon III did and they almost turn it into a first world country until the burgers decided that nobody would touch their backyard
Now they have cartels, boarder hoppers, and an endless war on drugs
Mexico is so shit that even Americans didn't want it.
wtf i thought major powers messing with neighbors of major powers was a-okay the state department told me so
there's no such thing as "a-okay" in geopolitics. there's only might makes right
why dont the ukrainians get this
they do? Why do you think they call The West in to help?
the west who is running out of regular ammunition right now
the west to which the supply lines are not underneath a nuclear umbrella and can be cut off by russia at any given time they choose theve had it
the west where practically nobody is willing to die for ukraine
it's like me telling you to pick a fistfight with one of the klitschkos and handing you some brass knuckles
good luck son
might makes right
how long was this invasion supposed to take again? (3 days, 2 weeks, or more than a year?)
maybe you all forget when Wagner made Russia shit itself
Gotta love the "Wow, it took five of you to kill me" of geopolitics.
sounds like Russian cope
>fighting one of the poorest countries in Europe = fighting the combined might of the west because they are receiving literally free (for the five eyes) intelligence and decades old equipment (that shot down Russia’s hypersonics) that needed to be scrapped
reminder, Florida alone is a genuine rival for Russian GDP
>to dust
you will be lucky to keep your invasion territorial gains at this rate
if you’re unlucky, you’ll lose your 2014 gains
hopefully no one will give Ukraine old jets or there might be actual CAS in this war
im not an ivan bro sorry. i can afford to not care if russia wins or loses. however you have to ask yourself how ukraine can claw back land against air and artillery supriority. whatever resources ukraine can field, russia can counter it
so the grind continues
>claw back land against air and artillery supriority
probably with their own, we will see if Ukraine actually does receive jets
although, the main win con might be Russian destabilization/political pullout
it’s so strange to me, going from Russia will take Ukraine in a week, to Russia will take it in a couple months, to Russia might actually collapse (I doubt it personally, but here we are actually considering it)
I was in the “Russia will take it in a week” camp before the war started, so many things have changed
I do not think Russia will have the demographics to keep that up long term(specifically educated and skilled) or likely the economic resources
both were in the shitter before the war, and it’s only going to get worse as it drags on and brain drain becomes as bad as it is in 3rd world nations
but then again, best Korea still exists, and Ukraines demographics aren’t too hot either
>we will see if Ukraine actually does receive jets
it wont received them at scale. 100 f-16s cant change the outcome of the war
>I was in the “Russia will take it in a week” camp before the war started, so many things have changed
well i didnt know that ukraine had received 10 production years of javelin atgms from the US alone. the amount of hardware shoved into ukraine was unthinkable before the war
Those items are just stop gaps to prevent Ukrainian collapse they are not going to let them take the fight on the offensive. Also the hodgepodge of different variants in the hand me downs they will get are going to be a logistical nightmare.
they are degraded the western stockpiles are waning production is slow to ramp up and meanwhile the ukrainian base of both intelligent and motivated fighters is being worn down
ukraine has the same average age as russia and much higher losses relative to the overall population
>Ukraines demographics aren’t too hot either
Ukraine is in a much more dire situation. Their troops are fricking exhausted and cannot rotate anywhere near as much. Defending is one thing but offensives being ground down are a killer for morale. Russia has not conscripted anywhere near the number it can and has not even brought in the penal units it has been laying the groundwork for.
fair point, I think Ukraine has to kill something like > 3 Russians per every Ukrainian death? They could keep that up easily while defending, but offensive maneuvers are different.
however, it’s dubious that Russia could really conscript more soldiers, their political situation appears tenuous at the moment
They could conscript many more - what do you think is going to happen? They can also recruit overseas and from prisons. There are various downsides to this but the benefits of the force multiplication outweigh them. Simply killing 3 for 1 is not enough, troops need to be rotated and rested or their performance degrades. You simply cannot do this if you constantly need your best troops to rush from hotspot to hotspot. Even the US faced this problem in Vietnam and the War on Terror.
what are you hoping to accomplish by posting this here
part of my two point plat to 1) show Ukraine#1 anon that his/her/xir's hopes are based on nothing more than uncriticised r*ddit circlejerk and 2) to make this thread hit it's limit before you get to talk about your kino made by over the hill Ridley.
>to make this thread hit it's limit before you get to talk about your kino made by over the hill Ridley.
you are a colossal homosexual
All Ridley had to do was let Blomkamp make his little Alien 5 fan film but no his ego took over and we got those two shitty movies. This is my small revenge.
Yeah I dont care about ridley scott that much but youre still a colossal homosexual
thank you for helping me with your posts.
again russia has air and artillery superiority
what do u think why zelensky is rambling about power plant accidents and begging for nato ascension? because the war is goign great?
no it's going badly and without some extraordinary event ukraine will lose. its soldiers already have lost over western weapons not being enough to beat the russians
who are you talking to? Your response does not seem to relate to anything I said.
>decades old equipment (that shot down Russia’s hypersonics)
this fricking r*ddit circlejerk bullshit again...
>hopefully no one will give Ukraine old jets or there might be actual CAS in this war
Not happening. CAS and helicopters are like cavalry in world war two. Still has a few niche uses in certain circumstances but modern technology has removed it from playing any major part. Please tell me you are not one of those nitwits who think A10s or Apaches would last five minutes against Russia or China?
Even the vatBlack folk realize that gunships are useless boomer bullshit when you have aa out the ass.
kek the vets have seen some good use out of the gunships on the defensive when you have air superiority and out of range of their AA.
>this fricking r*ddit circlejerk bullshit again
Reminder that le superpower doesn't have air superiority year and a half into the conflict.
>it's another americans dont understand ground war episode
>It's another europoors/thirdworlders larping as strategist when their moronic mongrel brother starts losing another war. When was the last time your country was in any significant conflict?
Th vatniks do, there is a difference between air superiority and air dominance.
you're extremely invested into something extremely uninteresting
literally no one fricking cares
>how long was this invasion supposed to take again
until every ukrainian willing to take arms and fight a guerilla war against eventual occupation ha been reduced to dust
>Maybe it wont pay off but maybe it will? It doenst really matter all that matters is who's left standing
how did that work out for western-backed anti-assad forces. they are dead, the land in ruins and assad still in power
the US is spreading misery by urging whimps picking fights with bulging boxers
You think the US cares about misery or Russia? lol
again, countries aren't people it's not about emotions it's about the great game and what these countries can offer strategically.
so who is going to listen to the US in the future when it tries to stir up shit and tells people
>ill cover your back bro
depends on how good this war goes and how well their propaganda keeps up. Russia is a decent example. This war has shown their tech to be absolutely awful yet other nations are still buying because their propaganda is effective.
one of the reasons the counteroffensive stalled was because superior electronic warefare capabilities of the russians. and i dont believe for a second that patriots can down kinzhals
the russian tech is the same as in ww2: effective enough to get the job done at scale
that's very true and for many nations that's enough
for ukraine to overcome russia's resources it would need deliveries that move more towards ww2 levels of conflict. it's hard to imagine that russia would stand by and let an expansion of deliveries to those levels happen.
yes, im of the opinion that this will be basically korea 2.0, a frozen conflict.... but for Ukrainians that might be better than full subsummation by Russia.
it all depends on if russia wants odessa and transnistria. and if the west can keep up the flow of artillery shells and other hardware. i dont see russia wanting to occupy regions were there are hardly any ethnic russians. it's too costly for no gain.
>russia would stand by and let an expansion of deliveries to those levels happen
literally what would they do? All they done when we have escalated was throw a hissy fit and threaten to nuke.
Not really, this is the mistake Nazi Germany made trying to mass produce crap that eroded their advantages they did have in the field. Ukraine is getting a few nice toys to test in the field but Uncle Sam is being extremely israeli and only releasing more when they are clearly not going to win without it. 500 days in and they are only now going to get cluster munitions? Also most of the kraut equipment sent to them has been impractical in real world conditions which is going to make any future exports harder for them.
nope they tried to come up with some wunderwaffen to try to compensate for a shortfall in manpower and resources. they're gains early on came from superior combat experience
>Also most of the kraut equipment sent to them has been impractical in real world conditions which is going to make any future exports harder for them.
lol. any other mbt would have ended just the same from mines and/or 152mm artillery fire
Ukraine knew it didnt have the power alone to stand up to russia and they understood at the end of the day that's all that matters so they did the one thing they could; called for help. Maybe it wont pay off but maybe it will? It doenst really matter all that matters is who's left standing .
>Russia
>major power
haha yes I remember when people thought that.
the us (all of nato and friends actually) is running out of conventional artillery shells to provide to ukraine. russia has been outgunning ukraine for nearly 18 months now
that's why we're sending cluster munitions now. here is a full explanation so you can read it and then not tell anyone because you're afraid of being drafted for demoralization.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/6/2179504/-Ukraine-Update-Russia-doesn-t-have-a-backup-plan-when-it-runs-out-of-artillery
>we're so desperate we gotta send cluster munitions
>munitions designed to break up attack formations
>u got to use them in trench warfare now though sorry
so that's the strength of the "sole remaining global power" and its allies
Yes, yes, Ivan, just two more weeks and the three day military operation is succesful.
War is not a sporting match. It did not achieve the original hoped for objectives. That does not mean that they are still not going to stay fighting to achieve more modest goals that motivated the original action. Do you think Ukraine is going to be able to last another five hundred days?
we also remember when reddot said they Russians were two weeks off from collapse in April last year
didn’t Russia have a recent coup attempt(even if it was mostly for show)?
when was the last time a 2nd world nation even had one? maybe some South American shithole?
it’s honestly laughable
the funniest part is, win or lose this war, let’s even assume Russia keeps all its current territorial gains
the country is absolutely fricked, some of the worst demographics in history, no strong government institutions, and ever worsening brain drain, and a government showing businesses it’s belligerent and potentially unstable (anathema to foreign investment and businesses)
Russia thinks like an early 20th century petro state (because it is), truly Nigeria with snow
this sounds like
>sanctions will collapse russia within months
>putin will soon face revolution
>just two more weeks
the global south doesnt agree with NATO's view of the conflict
Make your own thread you goddamned queers
dude, south america is whiter than the united states, and russia is more powerful than ukraine and nato combined lmao, united states is a honorary african nation
Didn't the US also have a recent coup attempt? And I am not talking about where General Milley called his Chinese counterpart and promised to overthrow the President if he ordered a strike against them.
ah, shit, you are right! ukrainesisters, I don't feel so good
Les Poilus Hermanos
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/182637254/#q182637942
I and other anons recoloured some images from it a while back and the results are so much better than the shitty filters
>actually history was all grey, IT JUST WAS OKAY!
I used to believe that before the 1900s colours used for buildings and clothes and other stuff were not that bright and had a greyish tint to them, I don’t know where I got this belief from.
You're sort of right but what actually was going on is that cities had tons of smog and soot residue. London's famous fog for example was just coal smog that just smothered the entire city. Even if you painted something bright red within a year it'd look black from a distance.
Too bright and colourful, needs more grey. Look at that blue sky, it looks like the sun is out, not even overcast a little!
Dunc could have been like this.
It's insane how depressing that is
ah, perfect now
This is what David Lean would have wanted but the technology simply wasn't there yet
You actually could have done it analogically/photocemically as well
it looks more mysterious. like not earth. someone mentioned dune. dune should look like this
>Thomas Lawrence of Mars
even mars doesn't look that terrible
Excellente
Lawrence Carter of Mars
No scratch that, just Lawrence Carter
Lawrence of Mexico
where are the lens flares??
>new grading of the film made under the supervision of [someone vaguely related to the original production who we payed to use their name in this blurb] in stunning 4k!
blade runner 2049 looking ass
I like Villeneuve but his obsession with brutalistic minimalism is tearing our love apart
4th and 5th rows absolutely blows him out the water. He goes full zoomer with liminal spaces
I was pleasantly surprised by 2049 being as good a followup to Blade Runner as it was but while the script was excellent it doesn't hold a candle to the original visually or sonically.
>I was pleasantly surprised by 2049 being as good a followup to Blade Runner
step aside plebs, rob ager kino incoming
you're a fricking drooling idiot, and so is rob ager, who by the way, hasn't been relevant since forever.
The naked neon prostitute was better in this pic. But that's it.
actually kino for a grungy scifi movie set on mars
if this is real I'm gonna go on an incel rampage
(in minecraft)
Cackling.
>T.E. Lawrence of Mars
get your ass to Mars
>how dune was meant to look
ok fine I'll finally watch this film you've convinced me
enjoy your nap anon
>making it red for no reason
cringe
>making it bright as frick to emphasize the sunlight
based
why did he shoot the pyramid?
It represented God (Ra)
Did this really happen?
no
No, Napoleon had great respect for ancient Egypt. He took hundreds of scientists and historians with him there to study the culture, monuments etc. Hack screen writing.
It was missing its nose long before Napoleon got there.. or was even born.
the pyramids were 9km away
calling it the battle of the pyramids was a reddit moment on napoleons part, shouldve just stuck with Embabeh
9km is only like 4 miles, dude.
Battle of Pyramids sounds way more awesome than Battle of Mbappe.
>Battle of Mbappe.
MMMBappe, ba-ba-battle of Mbappe!
He was shooting at Osiris
You fixed it with digital color grading though.
It’s more like the pipeline of post since digital cameras and digital color grading has been a disaster.
why is napoleon in mexico?
Usually this is pretty reddit but I agree on this one
Why is Napoleon on Mars?
It's from the John Carter cinematic universe
>John Carter cinematic universe
Finally
>this icey river appeared out of nowhere!!
Tell me this didnt really happen?
Ridley Scott is hack, he has always been a hack.
He made a couple of good movies in the beginning only out of beginner's luck.
His last good movie was the Gladiator and even that one is very overrated.
For 23 years now, he hasn't made a single good movie.
Top: I didn't know he went to Mexico.
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Through your sunglasses.
I don't wear sunglasses, I'm not 800 years old. And it's hardly my fault you guys decided to build fricking everything out of yellow stone.
I just dropped a google street view in "Benson, Arizona" and it looks pretty colourful to me
Look very yellow to me, tbqh.
More than half the picture is bright blue.. compare to ops pic
that's color corrected through a camera
just like a few weeks ago when NY was covered in that forest fire smoke shit from up north, a lot of cameras made it seem way less than it actually was due to all the processing going on
you had to disable a lot of that shit to get a natural picture or use a really good camera and not a phone camera
>SE USA
>Arizona
ukrainian flag
the sky is always so fricking kino in desert areas
>Benson, Arizona
?t=10
Bottom looks like New York during the wildfires.
DESERT POWER
The gunpowder must flow.
>I AM NAPOLEON MUAD'DIB BONAPARTE
>EMPEROR OF EUROPE
>YA HYA CHOUHADA
>>YA HYA CHOUHADA
you mean bi al khalifa or something
viva la spice
>its all so tiresome
ever notice how in movies stuff doesnt look nearly as impressive as it does in real life? are there any movies that manage to replicate that feeling of wonder? Other than maybe animated movies like Howls Moving Castle
Wow, the difference is insane. Dune vs Lawrence of Arabia
I'm positive the people responsible for all the filters are some pseuds who believe they are evoking or strengthening moods
you got your blue for melancholic, cold, slow whatever and your yellowish for heat, tension, exposition
it's so fricking dumb, man and I used to be a blue filter homosexual back then
no amount of grading in post can fix amateurish photography
Isn't this like the first rule of photography to not have too strong background light? Is Hollywood this bad these days?
yes but part of being a maestro is breaking/bending "the rules".
Not really. As long as it reads, it works, so a dark subject on a bright background works (which this image doesnt have so LOL)
They should've framed him against the sky to make the background bright or wrapped the sunlight around him to give him an edge so he stands out against the wall. That said, you can only do so much on a schedule with that big a production
It doesn't look like they bounced any light back at him to fill the shadows out.
>His cannons were in my face!
>I'M IN YOUR FACE!
>I fight my battles a quarter corps at a time.
what is amateurish about it?
Nah this is symbolism to show the moment Napoleon went from the light (vive le France) to the dark Napoleon timeline (world domination and tyranny)
>to the dark Napoleon timeline (world domination and tyranny)
Royalist hands typed this post.
>AND I'M JAVEERT!
I'm a filmmaker, and I've been a young filmmaker so I know where this comes from. It's usually one of a two things.
>editor or colorist is hyped up by the tools at his disposal
>feels like he has to do something beyond just leveling everything out
>drops in filters and LUTs until something looks moody
>prefers and pushes touched up look regardless of if it looked better before because he feels like he did more
or
>sends producer graded WIP cut of the film
>"This is GREAT. Could we be more dramatic with the colors? I've attached the old proof of concept mood sheet I made a two years ago out of vaguely cinematic images I got from Google that matched no particular vision other than replicating what my artless mind has been trained to think a real movie looks like. Can we just do whatever they did so it feels properly cinematic? I will continue requesting this regardless of anyone else's advice. You're the man!"
>"This is GREAT. Could we be more dramatic with the colors? I've attached the old proof of concept mood sheet I made a two years ago out of vaguely cinematic images I got from Google that matched no particular vision other than replicating what my artless mind has been trained to think a real movie looks like. Can we just do whatever they did so it feels properly cinematic? I will continue requesting this regardless of anyone else's advice. You're the man!"
its this
we made a sketch one time and the editor color graded it to where everything was yellow and my buddy said "wow it looks like a movie!"
How hard would it be to just undo their shitty filters with modern day editing? Could someone on here edit the movie to look like the edited screenhots like these
Or would that be extremely time consuming/make other scenes look like shit?
The windex or piss filter is applied to the original recording (much higher fidelity), then shrunk down to the screening resolution. It's not just reduction of saturation or slight shift towards a certain color, there is also reduction of light/shadow range and sometimes they simply wash out a scene with overlays as well, which inevitably destroys some of the existing detail. If you then applied another filter on top to try and lighten up and saturate the movie, you'd get spots where it looks like shit because it would expose the spots where the destroyed detail was destroyed.
So you can try to bring the color back, but messing with the light or contrast is not gonna work without some kind of deep learning AI that tries to restore those spots in each frame, which would be very hard to develop and execute
>some kind of deep learning AI that tries to restore those spots
Thats actually a pretty good idea. They have AI that go the other way, so it should be possible.
It’s still pretty shit at that. AI ups sling is already a thing and it’s horrible. Obviously it will improve with time though.
I'm also a filmmaker.
It's the latter. A combination of focus-testing and producers having an image in their mind.
They want the films to look "modern", which normally means that each frame has to have a prevailing tint that captures its mood.
Additionally, audiences also want the films to look "modern", which means that they want it to not look the old films that their parents would watch.
Duke of Wellington, my arch nemesis.
>General Wellington, I'm EOF
Does anyone have the blue filter no blue filter comparison image for The Last Duel?
First time I noticed this was when Kingdom of Heaven
It confused me why they made the Europe intro scenes so fricking blue
digital editing was a terrible idea.
Hackson exposed for the fraud he is. He made ONE good movie, Fellowship, and that was the one he chose to ruin so that it matched The Hobbit. He also wishes he could redo all of the orcs in CG.
His one good movie is 'Bad Taste'
>He also wishes he could redo all of the orcs in CG
I refuse to believe that's true
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/227-movies-new-and-upcoming-releases/68162300
>implying
Fellowship of the Ring isn't really fair to dunk on because 90% of the weird color comes from the same batch of Blu Rays that were burned incorrectly or something
>Fellowship of the Ring isn't really fair to dunk on because 90% of the weird color comes from the same batch of Blu Rays that were burned incorrectly or something
Fellowship Bluray theatrical = no DNR and perfect colour
Fellowship Bluray extended = no DNR but tinted
Fellowship 4k Bluray = terrible DNR but perfect colour
The best version therefore is the Extended Bluray, but you have to change your television settings to compensate (and the colour still won't be quite as good as Bluray theatrical)
the frick is DNR
Digital Noise Reduction
WHY WOULD THEY EVER USE THAT
FRICKING Black person homosexualS I HATE THIS SHIT SO MUCH ALTER FRICKING NOTHING FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK
Is there a decent webrip, at least?
Things are just ugly now and that trailer is straight trash from the adhd edition to that God awful "epic" Radiohead cover
Movies for this feel?
Kubrick's Spartacus, it's not a masterpiece like his other films but still very great
The Court Jester.
%3D%3D
Outlaw King
disgusting
>Apple
see ya
The west is falling
Well, it does
if that many horses went through the desert, it would kick enough dust for it too look more like the upper image, rather than the bottom.
It would be cooler if these types of movies that end up doing the darker filters copied from hammer horror and made significant or emblematic objects brighter in contrast. I can picture a napoleonic battlefield and the men wear dreary faded uniforms in dour weather conditions but their battle flags retaining their regular colors or made brighter in the center shots would be pretty kino.
Ridley Scott is such a hack it's incredible
Is that the joker? What's he doing?
Completing his incel trilogy
>Her
>Joker
>Napoleon
>just looked it up
>joker was in a whole lot of movies
Damn, that's wild. The only things I've seen him in are Joker and Gladiator.
LE MEXICO XD
Newhomosexuals just discovered how Ridley grades his movies? Man i knew redditors were moronic but surely i thought theyd have at least seen aliens. Youre a colossal autistic homosexual OP
Who is ridley?
watch alien you fricking pleb
He's the 2nd to last boss from Metroid. Big purple dragon with a knife at the end of his tail. He directs movies when he's not stealing bioweapons and murdering people.
which one is the disaster though?
>ukraine out of nowhere
Im 100% convinced these are bot posts
white people are crazy man
I suspect it's Californians who never take their sunglasses off. They spend their entire life wearing them, even when visiting other, less sunny states and think that's how the world is supposed to look like.
Twilight is just a setup to the punchline that vampires can safely live in the PNW because it's always overcast there.
Modern historical movies try way too hard to make everything look brown, dour and miserable and at this point there is obviously an agenda to make the past seem like a terrible miserable place. It's not just medieval stuff either they do it with anything set before the 1960s civil rights movement. They have to sell the myth of progress.
This is one of the major psychological factors at play. Movies like Lawrence of Arabia and Barry Lyndon make the past look seductive and alluring and magical. Digital color grading seems to intentionally look like shit, it's meant to be offputting. Yes normies, 2023 totally isn't the dystopia that it feels like, look how grimdark and depressing everything USED to be!
Yeah i can't fricking stand it anymore, 5 seconds in the trailer and just looked so flat and grey. Digital really did kill it all
even duellists looks better than this is he blind
>thread about digital color grading derails into bickering about Russia and Ukraine
Bots/third worlders took over the thread
Bots/third worlders took over the internet almost 20 years ago, the good times are over.
The instagramization of film
i can do this on my photoshop app with the touch of one button
Can you do it for entire movies as easily?
i do think the time line of
>trump makes phonecall to ukraine about "corruption"
>gets impeached on the testimony of alexander vindman, a ukrainian
>biden gets behind the levers of power
>hundreds of billions of dollars funneled to ukraine
is kinda suspicious
nothing is sacred
speaking of
did they put a filter over newer releases of the first Jurassic Park? I watched that a year or two ago and looked REALLY orange and honestly it looked like shit. I didn't remember it looking so filtered as a kid.
yes, they re-did the film in 3D about ten years ago. now every recent release of the film will have that filter.
Right is the version they did for 3D blu-ray. Jurassic Park also has a 3D version that looks horrible but was meant for 3D.
Why exactly is this happening, is it because the producer is standing over the shoulder of the editor and being like "I bought this LUT pack from the marketplace bruh let's check em out. Double the strength of that one. Perfect"
Like what is going on here and why
The color grading legit changes de composition and if you can't see that in the OP you are blind
Taken, they make a poor job at conveying something valuable, but the work is clearly there
No shit dude I understand that, the issue is that they are doing it so badly
It should be significantly more subtle
I mean look at this, it's actually hard to look at. The scene looking like Fury Road but with even more fury doesn't make it better
Ridley Scott has been doing this since Gladiator.
weirdly enough it only really bothered me in kingdom of heaven
it was more tastefully done last duel
>Like what is going on here and why
The blue hue is easily explained when you realise that the directors are all old rich men with a steady supply of young women. They simply think the world looks that blue at this point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanopsia
It's happening because there's a job called "color grader" and likely a whole team of them.
They're on the payroll. And to make it known they're on the payroll they have to do their job so it's obvious and visible, otherwise what's the point in paying them at all.
So over time they started to color grade more and more and more and more.
Now you're in a situation where you have a normal shot that might be okay with a little tweak and the expert color grader that worked on all the hit movies in the last 10 years comes in and just cranks the blue or yellow up to 11 and everyone claps.
Bottom looks better
ok so the bottom is objectively better
which one were you referring to as "disaster"?
Why do people call Villeneuve's cinematography "dishonest," again? At least in Dune the sky was blue and the sand was yellow.
Dishonest movie
>At least in Dune the sky was blue
sand planet has blue skies? already dishonest
I don't know about dishonest but it's very sterile even in places were it's not supposed to
It's a meme propagated by salty pseuds who are trying to be as contrarian as possible
Imagine being so ulikeable and friendless that you start arguments over the current reddit thing on a movie discussion forum
Remember when Ridley was still able to see colors?
If only he wasn't cursed with a limp dick we could still have that goodness.
The French Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Anglos set the precedent though. Blame them, always blame them.
Napoleon fought in Mexico?
Ridley hasn't made anything good since gladiator. Such a shit director, atleast his movie made denzel kino from time to time. May god rest his soul.