Discounting The Land Before Time (which is an anomaly) is this the most unnecessary Cinemaphile sequel of all time?
Discounting The Land Before Time (which is an anomaly) is this the most unnecessary?
Discounting The Land Before Time (which is an anomaly) is this the most unnecessary Cinemaphile sequel of all time?
Ice Age 2-5 are worse. Should have just been a one off.
I don't mind 2 and 3, but they clearly exhausted all their ideas with 3 since there's not much else you can do with just dicking around with prehistoric animals after using a Lost World to have dinosaurs and Cenezoic mammals meet
>Toy Story: Don't abandon your kid
>Toy Story 2: Don't abandon your kid, even if one day they'll outgrow you
>Toy Story 3: Our kid doesn't need us anymore, time to find a new kid and stick with them
>Toy Story 4: Frick all of you and frick the kid, I want dyke doll dussy
>Toy Story 4: the new kid is done with you now too so it’s okay to retire
So what
I'm more bothered by Woody ditching all his friends than him ditching Bonnie. Also, Bo Peep was an entirely different character without any buildup.
You’d have to be pretty harsh to say retiring from a group to spend time with your old flame is ‘ditching’.
Retire from being part of a family? That's pretty much what Toy Story set up. It wasn't just about the kid sure, but Woody ditching everyone else is cynical and weird.
It’s just not ditching man, there’s literally appropriate times in people’s life cycles for them to split off and have a new era of their life. It makes total sense in real life or in live action movie of similar family theme (such as the fast and furious series), it’s just the toys here are some strange type of seemingly rule-bound fairies so it seems like they’re breaking their fairy tale rules, but nobody really bats an eye when someone in a group goes somewhere else to do something different especially with a partner
No, it's not weird just because of the rules. Frozen II and Wreck It Ralph II also have this weird forced revelation of arbitrarily leaving your loved ones behind.
I don’t know what happens in those movies but if Ralph retires because his work is done and there’s an old friend waiting for him, that’d make sense too
Not really, after the whole first movie was about how "leaving your game is wrong, don't do that, you'll eventually turn into a monster" the little girl decides that she wants to leave both her game AND his best friend Ralph so that she can live inside a GTA Online
See that’s another fairy tale rule, and not one that applies too accurately to reality. I get it, that these are cartoon characters so they can have rules like that without them being direct parables to life, but what is this character who’s not supposed to leave a screen really supposed to mean to us? It’s like a story about not being allowed to quit your job, it’s true sometimes leaving work drives people crazy, but it’s just simply true there are ways to do it that don’t turn you into a glitching maniac, the movie should reflect that
>retire
homie it's literally his purpose.
You can retire after a career serving your purpose. Are you really watching this series because it’s about a fairy’s duty until the end of time, or aren’t the characters personable and humanistic and mirror people’s real life cycle. Or I guess every garbage dumb is filled with catatonic suicidal buried alive living toy beings
It's the closest thing to a heterosexual white couple we're going to get from Pixar for the foreseeable future
>1: We're all Andy's toys, we are in this together.
>2: We're all In this together, even those of us who aren't Andy's toys
>3: Well, we're Bonnie's toys now, but we still have each other!
>4: LOL BYE
This is my problem.
Woody has live more adventure with Buzz, Rex, Potato and Jesse than what he live with his girlfriend.
And the way they solve the villain was pathetic.
The point was that not everyone who needs something is a villain, you can literally help people with what they need and things can go well for everyone, instead of every sad toy becoming a maniac they have to defeat or strap to a truck to get off their back
yes. as unnecessary as it's offensively bad
I'd probably say Finding Dory and Monsters University are more unnecessary when it comes to Pixar sequels, but Toy Story 4 is worse than both of them.
>Monster University
>sequel
Don't be a smartass
MU is Pixar's best film. Prove me wrong.
Finding Dory COULD have been good, but it was just trash garbage
Monsters University was very good though. It would've been better if they just went with the original opening with Mike and Sully as kids i elementary school.
Recency bias is real everyone was sucking this movies wiener when it came out
Where?
It was shit on here from the very start.
Not me. I've always despised the movie for blatantly tossing out the lessons in the first three. I don't care if you disagree with the messages of them, but I expect a franchise's themes to stay consistent. It'd be like if Batman suddenly decided to murder people out of the blue.
You guys are overserious about this, it doesn’t negate the other movie’s messages, it just provides an option of happy retirement for what are otherwise immortal beings forever beholden to whatever 3-6 years each kid plays with them, in a chain until the end of time. Sticking with a person who loves you is great, but saying you have to keep finding new kids to love you forever or else risk the eternal abandonment, abuse and ruination depicted in the first three movies, is hopeless and hellish. The movie wasn’t ‘necessary’, sure, but allowing toys to retire happily together (which was actually introduced at the start Toy Story 3) is great, considering otherwise the assured eventual fate of all toys is infinite perdition
This doesn't exactly work when you realize Woody and Bo's endgoal is to... unite other lost toys with new owners so they too can experience their own (using your words) "hopeless and hellish" fate.
>they retire and help toys who aren’t ready to retire keep finding kids so they don’t have to be abandoned, and when they do want to retire they can just do that
What’s the problem? I didn’t mean finding new kids is hellish, I meant that the previous movies always characterized being without a kid as hellish. 2 and 3 are riddled with characters that show being without a kid means being depressed suicidal or evil out of a sense of vengeance, think of the economy of how many kids there are and how many toys, without the option of peaceful retirement the setting implies the vast vast majority of all toys are catatonic and suicidal somewhere, and every toy is like a split second away from that being them forever
They pretty well established not getting a kids love drives a toy crazy after a while in 2 and 3. Even if it doesn't make you malicious like Stinky Pete and Lotso it can still frick you up like Jessie and the clown and baby from 3.
This cynical idea of this being a terrible car cyclical fate is completely on your end. Even 4 has Woody and Bo trying to get more love to more toys, not tear down the system.
> They pretty well established not getting a kids love drives a toy crazy after a while in 2 and 3
Right which was depressing and bad because since these toys don’t die they eventually will have to go crazy being alone, not to mention the fact of obsolete toys the series brings up.
> This cynical idea of this being a terrible car cyclical fate is completely on your end.
But you just said the 2 and 3 establish being without a child as a toy drives them crazy.
They don’t have to ‘destroy the system’, that’s not what I’m talking about, 4 introduced a way toys can retire without having to destroy any system, which is nice. Without altering anything established, either
it's Wreck it Ralph 2 by far
Toy Story 4 is going to be absolutely shat upon in 20 years of so. Time won't be kind to this movie. Especially when Toy Story 5 comes out and realize any goodwill you could possibly interpret to Toy Story 4's ending wasn't done with Pixar trying to create a good ending for the franchise and was instead just trying to earn a quick buck with Toy Story 4 and now 5
wreck it ralph 2 is way fricking worse by a large margin. I would say cars 2
Unnecessary doesn't inherently mean bad. As another comment pointed out, there are other Pixar sequels even less necessary than Toy Story 4, but Toy Story 4 is the worst out of all of them.
Ralph 2 is shit, not trying to debate you on that point
i would also argue it was just unnecessary but guess toy story already has 2 unnecessary sequels and it is now getting a 3 one.
it will soon be on the same level as fast and furious.
Though with wreck it Ralph I do get the applicable theme of alienation resulting from losing your place, it’s just also true in life there are other places you won’t be alienated
TS4 is literally Disney culling the franchise cast because their VAs are either dead or have betrayed The Mouse.
it could have easily been dogshit but turned out pretty good, now toy story 5 is the one you have to worry about
I didn’t mind Toy Story 4, Incredibles 2 was horrifically bad.
It's the opposite for me.
I see my defense of Toy Story 4 worked wonderfully