Disney is fricking moronic
>Have Disney plus because my family has a plan that comes with it
>Go to watch Lady and the Tramp and The Aristocats
>Has a fricking 10 second disclaimer talking about "MUH OUTDATED REPRESENTATION OF CERTAIN IDENTITIES"
>Still has the movies up because they're "Classics"
Ok, so why not do this with Song of the South? Why is Disney so afraid of breaking the ice on that? People only think Song of the South is this terrible movie because Disney won't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
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>Disney is fricking moronic
We already know this
very
Wasn't there a black mule girl in the original Fantasia movie?
Yeah but I need to check if Fantasia has a declaimer too
She was a zebra.
Pretty accurate according to geographic location
That's still available. But you have to buy the DVD box set with the original cut of the movie with the racist centaurs. Unlike Fantasia, Song Of The South is not enough a technical or artistic achievement to make up for the racist shit.
There is nothing racist in Song of the South. There are no slaves, it is reconstruction south and an example of whites and blacks sharing their culture and having a positive experience together.
>Unlike Fantasia, Song Of The South is not enough a technical or artistic achievement to make up for the racist shit.
Song of the South was a pretty historically important movie for Disney.
>racist centaurs.
remind me how they were racist
She had big lips
And she polished a white centaur’s hooves
I think that’s about it
James Baskett was the first black man to win an Oscar for his performance in Song of the South.
>Ok, so why not do this with Song of the South?
Blacks are 20 times scarier to them than chinks.
That’s the weird mystery of Song Of The South
It’s got a hit song and a ride in Disneyland based on it. Disney only started suppressing it in the 80s
The stories it tells are genuine African American folktales. It was collected by a White guy who went around collecting this oral tradition and writing them down and publishing them. They otherwise would have been lost.
James Baskett was the first black man to earn an Oscar, it was for his performance as Uncle Remus in Song Of The South.
But people act like it’s Birth Of A Nation or something, it’s not. (Not even exaggerating, I’ve heard it compared to Birth Of A Nation). It’s not even comparable to Warner Bros censored eleven, those cartoons are VASTLY more racist. It’s less racist than other Disney movies like you mentioned.
I think at this point it’s more they don’t want to reverse course and admit they were wrong.
>It’s got a hit song and a ride in Disneyland based on it.
Not anymore. All references to it have been replaced with The Princess & The Frog.
Why would you lie on the internet?
It's going to happen but hasn't happened just yet
Tokyo is keeping their version
I think they scrapped this idea for now Unironically I would be curious what Dr. Facilier's segment would look like in the ride
He won't be on the ride, it's supposed to be AFTER the events of the movie, which sounds really fricking boring
>it's supposed to be AFTER the events of the movie
What a dumb frick idea. I'm guessing this is why they scrapped it
Disney might as well not even change it now. Nobody actually cares what the ride is connected to and a lot more people like it the way it is and any ideas they might have will be moronic and inferior to the original ride
Exactly. It was a knee jerk reaction done to show token sympathy for all the BLM George Floyd stuff 2 years ago. Which nobody really cares about anymore. Honestly they could probably scrap it citing budget issues and nobody would really care.
It's just kinda sad, too. Most people don't even know Splash Mountain is connected to Song of the South
Oh no it's still happening, Tiana's voice actress mentioned a 2024 opening date and Disney is hijacking a New Orleans cultural festival to show it off some more.
I mean, atleast the source material is from a 2D animated film also?
The ride takes place after the movie and that means no Facilier so this ride can get fricked
What's interesting is that the Actress for that one black lady in Song of the South even said that if she felt that the movie was misrepresenting her or her people, she would have not taken part in it's production.
The actor for Remus also said that people in the NAACP and other Black rights groups were overreacting
>“Song of the South” counts among its ensemble Hattie McDaniel, the “Gone With the Wind” star and first Black entertainer to win an Academy Award. In a 1947 interview, she told the American publication The Criterion, “If I had for one moment considered any part of the picture degrading or harmful to my people, I would not have appeared therein.” Her co-star James Baskett echoed her support of the film, saying, “I believe that certain groups are doing my race more harm in seeking to create dissension than can ever possibly come out of the ‘Song of the South.’”
https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/song-of-the-south-disney-you-must-remember-this/hattie-mcdaniel/
The bullshit excuse that they use in the modern day is that "Song of the South" trivializes slavery. Because if a movie doesn't present a propagandized ROOTS level depiction of slavery, then you are not allowed to make a story involving a black guy in the 1800s south (they still wouldn't be okay with it even if that was the case frankly)
There is nothing mysterious about it. The context never mattered to them.
>they don’t want to reverse course and admit they were wrong
They just don't want to even stir that up and have that conversation because it didn't go well in the 80s and it sure as frick won't go well with the existence of Twitter.
Honestly it's just the "Twainian" dialect of Uncle Remus that makes him sound like a moron speaking his own version of moronic English that's offensive in SotS (wasn't offensive in the 40s, people thought it was fun).
The Dumbo crows feel way more racist and they're still in the cut of the film as far as I know. And of course Sunflower the Centaurglet is just crazy fricking racist even by Warner Bros standards, in Fantasia no less. I'd post a pic but she's topless in every frame.
>wasn't offensive in the 40s, people thought it was fun
People also thought lynchings were a fun for the whole family activity and sold postcards to that effect.
The movie was always controversial. The NAACP hated it when it was released.
However, I don't think any of the controversy has been fair because it's been based on the lie that these were slaves when the film takes place after slavery has been abolished. Uncle Remus is shown freely moving about, and at one point in the film flat out tells a white woman to frick off and that he does whatever he damn well pleases, and then he does just that because she can't stop him.
Honestly, Song of the South is a good film. It's literally the only major motion picture to feature genuine African folktales.
Pretty much everything you said here is true. If Disney would just release the film, it would clear so much stuff up around the film
The way the movie has been treated, one would imagine it has Walt Disney himself doing black face.
The NAACP hated "The Color Purple." The NAACP are money/attention whoring morons who don't help anything but the bank accounts of the executives that run it.
What's that stand for?
homies Ain't Always wienerin' Pistols?
We aint evah gonna make it
I watched it a lot as a kid because they spammed it on Disney Channel, its actually alright. Now Fox and the Hound 2 on the other hand.
That movie isn't good at all and has no connection to the original movie, so much so, that they might as well have made it a separate universe with new characters
The only good thing about that entire film is Dixie
Sometimes I wonder if that's exactly what it was originally and they just slapped Copper and Todd in there because Disney was obsessed with sequels at the time.
That's probably what happened lmao
moronic opinion
I hate that I can't quote this to people because it's genuinely one of the funniest exchanges ever
They’re mad because Remus doesn’t go full Django on his former masters
The answer is simple; Disney knows it isn't racist. Disney knows most of the hysteria would be nonexistent if they just showed people the movie so it didn't travel by word-of-mouth and become some uncle tom white man's fantasy in people's minds. Disney knows and understands all this.
But Disney gets more social credit and capital keeping the film under wraps then showing it publically.
What happened is simple: Disney, the man, went against the machine by making this movie and giving opportunities to black people that they wouldn't have had without this movie being made. And the machine is punishing him posthumously for it.
>Disney only started suppressing it in the 80s
The disneyland ride didn't exist until the 80s and it wasn't even originally about song of the south. It was going to be about the movie Splash.
What's really funny is that, compared to WB and other companies, Disney really hasn't made much "racist" shit. Most of their stereotype representation in their movies are directed at Asians for some reason lmao
>Ok, so why not do this with Song of the South?
Chinks can handle being made fun of and depictions of how they actually are.
Who cares, you shit-stirrer. I'll take a dumb disclaimer over not having the movie at all
Did you even read the entire post before posting, you fricking homosexual? That's exactly what OP was saying.
>Who cares, you shit-stirrer
I just don't like hypocrisy no matter where it comes from. Disney is willing to put disclaimers on their recognizable shit to maintain profit but not just get some balls and release a movie that has a bad reputation and just showing people it's not as bad as they say
Unrelated, but I actually liked Scamp's Adventure 🙂
It's honestly a good movie, just not the biggest fan of all the musical numbers personally, a few were catchy or good tho
Also Angel is cute
when does it go to public dominion
Not until 2066. You can of course thank Disney for extending it to 95 years.
Why extend the copyright for something they want nothing to do with
Because Disney wants to hold a strangle hold on EVERYTHING they own, no matter how unused it is.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
Books - 70 years after author's death
All "corporate authored" media - 95 years
I know this but I asked WHY Disney would
>Using a picture of Oswald in that comment
Very apt
It not because they specifically care about this movie, it's just because their greed will outlive the heat death of the universe.
Honestly, yeah, essentially
It's a blemish in their eyes, they'll keep people from seeing it as long as possible.
>watching The Aristocats
One of Disney's worst
moronic opinion
Between this and Reacuers, Disney went all out with Eva Gabor taking the sexy leading lady throughout the 70’s.
Eva herself was also a pretty attractive woman ngl
Hey, I liked it when I was a kid. Probably because I like köt
It's better than boring-ass lady and the tramp
My favourite is that some 1930s Santa Cartoon also gets this disclaimer, but the actual offended shot (which is just some mammy doll) was already edited out of the short. So there is a disclaimer for something that has already been removed.
tl;dr. Pirate their stuff homosexual
That's kinda funny, off-topic but I recently watched Bambi 2 and I noticed that a gunshot sound that was present in the original release was cut from the Disney+ release lmao
Do they think that kids don't know people shoot deer for hunting purposes? They even still show the glint from the rifles scope!
So what even was the fricking point?
Triggering people, ironically.
How would it trigger anyone tho? Like, they edited out the scene but put a declaimer anyway? Tat will just give normies a reason to start searching for shit and then get mad about it after the fact
The trigger warning IS the trigger.
I still can't figure out what the fricking point is. People will do anything to do performative activism
Fortune cookie always wrong
>Disney is fricking moronic
>Have Disney plus because my family has a plan that comes with it
I don't pay for it lmao
you do pay for it its just included in the total bill thus making it convenient. Tmobile does the same thing with netflix however i can log into my tmobile account, remove netflix and my bill would get lower with no down sides. if i want it back, which is doubtful after netflix knocked up the price for basic, i can just enable it again.
Its not free just because its not its own bill.
Disney plus would truly be free if disney had their own network provider and actually did get out some of their other products through that.
Dude probably lives with his parents still and uses their Disney+ subscription
They only started calling cartoons racist in the 1980s. The minority groups attacked always took the cartoons favorably. You can thank a certain J word, the exact same group who made the most racist cartoons.
>Ok, so why not do this with Song of the South?
Is Song of the South a classic? Not in the sense that its old; in that case even cartoons from the 90s would be classics. I mean was it as heralded as Cinderella, Aladdin, or Lady and the Tramp?
That said, I wish I wouldn't have to see that disclaimer. Maybe its fine for kids, but I'm a grown damn man, and I know to no go "FORTUNE COOKIE ALWAYS RONG" since that's racist as hell.
>Is Song of the South a classic?
No, it's just boring. That's most people's opinion on the film outside of the animated segments it's just a really boring mediocre film.
So why dose Cinemaphile mindlessly defended it
They also censored the Br'er Rabbit shorts, which are kino
Because Cinemaphile hates black people and loves anything that might make them feel bad for a few seconds.
It has been over a decade since we've had a full day without at least one anon feeling the need to make a thread about how much he hates the blacks.
Shit take, moron
Great job proving me wrong.
every board hates black people. they've been pushed everywhere since occupy wallstreet and trump elections.
Because some people see it has historical, Like the WW2 shorts. And should be available to the public like those shorts.
>Has a fricking 10 second disclaimer
That's the worst thing about it.
Because you have this fricking wall of text saying "sry for da racism bro" but it's only 10 seconds, which is not enough time to read it, and you can't pause it, but you can't skip it either??? DO THEY WANT ME TO READ IT OR NOT??
>he actually likes song of the south just to be contrarian and hasnt even watched it
They put the disclaimer on Saludos Amigos and the 3 Caballeros both celebrating Latin America.
>HONG KONG SHANGHAI EGG FOO YONG
>FORTUNE COOKIE ALWAYS WRONG
What did he mean by this?
Ancient chinese wisdom, our western brains cannot comprehend such ascended knowledge.
Seriously though is there anything funny about this besides "look at the funny cat acting like a stereotype."
I personally find it funny because the song has lyrics about how cool it is to be a cat until this mf pops up talking about Chinese shit lmao
Honestly as a black dude I got this one. White people are really weird. They get into massive fights over what will offend guys like me without ever considering our own opinion on the matter. I personally couldn't give less of a shit about this movie and don't care if they make it available. Go ahead put it up. But as usual token concern take precedence over what I or any other black person actually thinks. Same thing with native american sports teams. Most natives don't give a shit or even like it. Whites will tell them to their face that they just don't get it or outright ignore them and say it needs to go anyway. Trust me I'm barely aware of this movies existence and hate The Butler far more. (A very racist movie)
That's the deal, though:
Progressives and Lefties don't actually care about Black people or are subtly racist themselves (Sometimes overtly)
They do not care about you or people who don't care, they care about a very small minority that screeches and complains about everything, but most importantly, only care about looking nice and progressive.
End of the day, if you don't like censorship and putting unqualified Black actors in movies for no other reason than to meet a diversity quota, you are an Uncle Tom and need to stop talking.
Basically
Wouldn't you rather have a disclaimer before a movie rather than an edited or remade movie?
I don't mind the declaimers, I just wish Disney would do that for movies like Song of the South
Oooh, what is a baby?
I must find out today
Money and your children will remember that pragraph when they go to protest in the next black riot.
Win win
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Meds
The Siamese Cats and Ching Chong Piano Cat can literally be cut out of their movies and nothing happens. The entire framing device of Song of the South is "Look at these docile Black folk telling tales to my white children like the good monkeys they are".
Go away Disney shill.
>explaining that you can ignore 8 minutes of cringe versus an entire movie is somehow being a Disney shill
To be honest, they should just fricking remake Song of the South. Have the framing device be a couple of black kids either finding their great grandfather's old storybook or have the storyteller be some old mysterious neighbor/relative of theirs. You can even add some other stories with new animation.
Walt was actually trying to be inclusive with the movie (allegedly, he swore to never distribute any Disney movie to Alabama if they forced the black cast to sit in segregated seating during its premier), so it sucks that we can't salvage a movie that Disney was more than happy representing in their parks for decades because of a shitty framing device.
Disney won't remake a controversial movie that had zero nostalgic value for most people.
Also, Disney has enough backlash over their treatment of lgbt, I doubt they're insane enough to add race politics on their plate.
Its a story about a slave that leaves the plantation only to realize that the plantation was where he belonged the whole time.
Without the slavery context though it can seem like the "plantation" is just a generic stand in for a home town of some kind, but the slave catchers in the form of the bear and fox don't make much sense in that context,
it's a single scene or rather 2 lines of dialogue to compared to an entire movie based around outdated reform era "happy magical Black" archetype?