What a strange question. I’m going to assume you’re not a moron and are asking about bringing other people with you. It’s a lot more engaging in a blockbuster sense than other Godzilla movies and requires no homework, but it’s still Godzilla. If you hate the franchise of course you’re going to hate the 38th-something entry in it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If you actively hate Godzilla then sure I guess it isn't for you.
If you're indifferent to Godzilla or have never seen a Godzilla film, then I recommend it. It'll make you a fan.
If you actively hate Godzilla then sure I guess it isn't for you.
If you're indifferent to Godzilla or have never seen a Godzilla film, then I recommend it. It'll make you a fan.
I saw it.
Good movie but it simultaneously felt too long whilst missing essential scenes to build narrative and character arcs.
7/10. Spiververse should have won but this was fine too.
Was shocked to find out the Heron was Robert Pattison of all people. It was like the anti-Chris Pratt meme where the random A-list celebrity was the most soulfull performance.
I don't hate Chriss Pratt but he's not a voice actor. That's just not something he specializes in. And you can tell that's the case because mostr of his VA work has been his regular voice or him trying and failing to do an accent that is just mostly his regular voice.
The best VA role he's done was Emmet, a character whose whole gag is "Most Generic Man in Existence".
Watched it. As people have stated, it’s very loose in structure and does not follow story/character conventions from most movies. Characters come and go and plot threads get lost without resolution. This is because the entire film is a lucid stream of consciousness experience. It’s Miyazaki’s closest to a pure art film and a total pleb filter. Reminded me of experimental late-career films from accomplished directors like Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams where it’s a series of the most incredible fantasy visions imaginable thematically strung together. Many scenes made me smile. I loved it.
There’s also a hilarious interpretation of the movie as Hayao trusting his child grandson as his successor after losing hope in Goro.
Like I said, just a funny “meme” interpretation. Hayao would be the old man trying to get his grandson to take over, and like you said, the boy instead decides he’ll march by the beat of his own drum.
I think in terms of real influences Hayao put aspects of himself into the parakeet king, and Takahata into the old man. Interesting.
>anons won’t talk about animated movies because opinions are subjective and the internet is for winning arguments >default to investing in awards shows because they provide an objective “win or lose” angle >people making the threads don’t even intend to watch the movies >endless posts repeating common knowledge about oscar voter behavior and disney rigging for years >only anons who make threads about animated movies not related to awards are schizos like Industrycuck and SharkTalegay imposters who just want to bash the same movies forever
dead board
I mean, it's Cinemaphile to begin with? Also sounds like artsy-fartsy bullshit
Watched it. As people have stated, it’s very loose in structure and does not follow story/character conventions from most movies. Characters come and go and plot threads get lost without resolution. This is because the entire film is a lucid stream of consciousness experience. It’s Miyazaki’s closest to a pure art film and a total pleb filter. Reminded me of experimental late-career films from accomplished directors like Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams where it’s a series of the most incredible fantasy visions imaginable thematically strung together. Many scenes made me smile. I loved it.
There’s also a hilarious interpretation of the movie as Hayao trusting his child grandson as his successor after losing hope in Goro.
It still has decent audience scores. I guess the visual set pieces are so charming and imaginative people are willing to ignore plot grievances and enjoy the ride. >hurdur turn your brain off
Not to that extent though. There’s a lot you can get from it as an active viewer, because it really feels like a journey through the afterlife drawing from the human imagination and our struggles with accepting our imperniance. But even on its surface level, you can still enjoy lots of scenes as short episodic adventures. Them catching a monster fish and slicing it into sushi as guts explode everywhere is one of Hayao’s most amazing scenes, ditto for the man-eating parakeet workshop, with something going on in every corner of the frame. There’s a lot for people to enjoy even if they’re weirded out by the more esoteric stuff.
In fact the only people I think who would legitimately hate it are the tv tropes types who grade everything based on how it fits to writing conventions and plot structure. The “it doesn’t make sense because” crowd that coincidentally makes up the majority of this userbase. It’s like an iq bell curve movie, people who accept it at face value will enjoy it and people who try to look deeper will enjoy it; people who try to make it fit into something else will not.
Ironically Ghibli is like what Disney was up until the past couple years
They were coasting critically and commercially on the brand name and decades-past works while making Wish-tier content like Boy and Heron and Ponyo
Hasn't caught up to them yet entirely though
>Wish-tier content like Boy and the Heron
Stop talking about things you know nothing out. You fricking moron. Wish is a soulless attempt at being a cashgrab and Boy and Heron is an arthouse fever dream that doesn’t give a shit about the audience. This isn’t about defending one movie over the other like consolehomosexualry, you just have no fricking idea what you’re talking about. These movies are polar opposites. There is almost no merchandise potential in the Miyazaki movie except for the rice ball sprites that show up in two scenes, the rest is some auteur commentary about war and death that even Japan is mixed on. Wish is orchestrated in every way to be an AI-amalgamation of familiar tropes and story beats with no defining voice whatsoever. Pure product.
>Wish-tier content
Hold it way back anon.
Narratively, yeah these films are total messes. But the very least the movie still has beautiful animation and creativity doing the heavy lifting the plot and pacing are lacking.
The Boy and the Heron isn't great but the visuals and general insanity alone being put on screen beats the frick out off Wish which is both mediocre in story AND animation AND style AND creativity and so on.
>Wish-tier content
Hold it way back anon.
Narratively, yeah these films are total messes. But the very least the movie still has beautiful animation and creativity doing the heavy lifting the plot and pacing are lacking.
The Boy and the Heron isn't great but the visuals and general insanity alone being put on screen beats the frick out off Wish which is both mediocre in story AND animation AND style AND creativity and so on.
honeslty ATSV was better as a story, the last third of TBATH feels really nonsensical and I didn't care for any of the character's. even Cinemaphile and most ghibli gays doesn't seem to care for it
Spider verse sucks ass as a story. I believe you that the Ghibli flick probably sucks too but I won't let you get away with praising Spiderverse. It was a bad movie with a bad moral and insults a lot of the characters from the first Spiderverse.
>anons won’t talk about animated movies because opinions are subjective and the internet is for winning arguments >default to investing in awards shows because they provide an objective “win or lose” angle >people making the threads don’t even intend to watch the movies >endless posts repeating common knowledge about oscar voter behavior and disney rigging for years >only anons who make threads about animated movies not related to awards are schizos like Industrycuck and SharkTalegay imposters who just want to bash the same movies forever
dead board
But Shrek 2 is bad, objectively speaking. In fact, Shrek 2 is an overrated, boring, unfunny, outdated, visually unappealing and a vapid piece of garbage with horrendous characters like Fairy Godmother, the only good thing is puss in boots, the rest is trash, one of the worst Dreamworks/PDI efforts ever.
what happened to Cinemaphile to percieve everything not as a success in and of itself, but rather as a loss for some "opposing" side? why is everyone so hung up on imagining feuds between things they have assigned to their identity vs things they percieve to be the opposite to their identity
>anons won’t talk about animated movies because opinions are subjective and the internet is for winning arguments >default to investing in awards shows because they provide an objective “win or lose” angle >people making the threads don’t even intend to watch the movies >endless posts repeating common knowledge about oscar voter behavior and disney rigging for years >only anons who make threads about animated movies not related to awards are schizos like Industrycuck and SharkTalegay imposters who just want to bash the same movies forever
dead board
i hate this culture of everything being about "winning"
even arguments are purely about achieving victory through some snidy technicality like "haha you got angry" or "you stopped responding so victory is mine" like wtf do these people think theyre playing here, its just unpleasant
whats the point of discussing if you have nothing good to say nor anything youre curious to hear, just to say you did it? just to claim you won? is your mother proud? did it earn you fame? glory? is anyone impressed you 'won' an internet battle cause the other guy logged off, anyone other than you, for 30 seconds afterwards before it all washes away like a subpar wank?
i hate this culture of everything being about "winning"
even arguments are purely about achieving victory through some snidy technicality like "haha you got angry" or "you stopped responding so victory is mine" like wtf do these people think theyre playing here, its just unpleasant
whats the point of discussing if you have nothing good to say nor anything youre curious to hear, just to say you did it? just to claim you won? is your mother proud? did it earn you fame? glory? is anyone impressed you 'won' an internet battle cause the other guy logged off, anyone other than you, for 30 seconds afterwards before it all washes away like a subpar wank?
You are a moron, there are more threads talking about the plot of the movies than about the awards.
There are three Oscar bullshit threads in the catalog right now. They get made every hour. Frick off.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Shitflinging drives engagement. A thread like "Hey have you guys seen the other potential nominees like The Peasants or Robot Dreams?" will die a few posts in
5 months ago
Anonymous
It’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course bait threads are going to get more attention because the anons are working overtime to generate rage. But that has nothing to do with my original post.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's not half dedicated to discussing the movies, plus most of the threads are anti-Oscar
True, but Democrats foster it with identity political victimhood. We deserve it because both sides of the extreme spectrum are manchildren who never had sex.
We're pissed. That's it.
"They", whoever you think that is, put a lot of effort into pissing us off, and what do you know, it worked. We're pissed off.
I saw the movie, the animation was amazing but the story was a fricking mess. It was the best animated movie yes but the story was just okay to meh at best.
I would also like to add the ending pissed me off. Most Miyazaki movies have emotional endings or ending meanings in the ending. But not this one, he somehow didnt know the little girl was his dead mother then at the end he suddenly knew then he didnt care. He was like "if you go back you will die" and she goes "that's ok" and he goes "ok bye" and the movie ends. There was no emotional goodbye or anything. The movie ended 2 mins later.
The issue the movie had was it was a "Child unsatisifed in the reral world discovers magic world" that lacks a lot of the narrative beats these sort of movies have. Like in movies such as Coroline, Alice in Wonderland, etc. you have that moment where te kids discovers the fantasy world and thinks "Wow, this is so much better than my shitty real life". But the problem is the kid from the very beggining is fully aware this is all bullshit and doesn't really want to stay.
Now the argument can be made that the arcs is actually meant to reflect the step-mom. She was the one that went to the fantasy world. And before that we see her in her fever dreams show her regrets to her dead sister The boys and step-moms arc is meant to be parallel to one another. Kid isolate himself to escape dealing with the change of new setting and mother. Step-Mother succumbs to the idea of having her child in a fantasy world as means to escape the fear of taking care of child she believes hate her and deal with the death of older sister. The arc of realizing the fantasy world must be left behind wasn't the boys arc but her's. And the boy accepting her and calling her "Mom" instead of "Miss" is what maker her realize her mistake.
But the problem with this interpretation is:
A) We never have that inciting incident where the we see the boy activily ignore/mistreat the step or the two fight that pushes her to leave
B) We never actually see the two sisters interact with one another
So you basically have a movie that implies an arc but never at any point shows it.
I predict a thread wherein exactly 0% of the anons in it have watched and care about this movie
Hey, at least Wish has something in common with the winner then!
Watched it, it was fine. The animation was great but I felt like the story was all over the place.
Damn, I was planning to watch a movie on Christmas. Is Godzilla minus one any good?
Hell yes!
VERY good.
I watched it in IMAX, and I intend to do so again.
Is it good if you hate Godzilla?
What a strange question. I’m going to assume you’re not a moron and are asking about bringing other people with you. It’s a lot more engaging in a blockbuster sense than other Godzilla movies and requires no homework, but it’s still Godzilla. If you hate the franchise of course you’re going to hate the 38th-something entry in it.
ok
If you actively hate Godzilla then sure I guess it isn't for you.
If you're indifferent to Godzilla or have never seen a Godzilla film, then I recommend it. It'll make you a fan.
I saw it yesterday and it was a hot mess, pacing was all over the place with poorly developed plot threads
That just makes us qualified judges for the Oscars.
I saw it.
Good movie but it simultaneously felt too long whilst missing essential scenes to build narrative and character arcs.
7/10. Spiververse should have won but this was fine too.
Was shocked to find out the Heron was Robert Pattison of all people. It was like the anti-Chris Pratt meme where the random A-list celebrity was the most soulfull performance.
pattison can act circles around pratt. doesn't surprise me he's an alright voice actor as well.
He was honest to God Mark Hammil tier (who was also in the movie though not for a lot of it).
>Sony slop about them having full rights of Miles Morales should have won
>reddit spacing
>hates Chris Pratt
Go back
I don't hate Chriss Pratt but he's not a voice actor. That's just not something he specializes in. And you can tell that's the case because mostr of his VA work has been his regular voice or him trying and failing to do an accent that is just mostly his regular voice.
The best VA role he's done was Emmet, a character whose whole gag is "Most Generic Man in Existence".
his Rex Dangervest performance doesn't get enough credit tbh.
>felt too long whilst missing essential scenes to build narrative and character arcs.
>Spiververse should have won but this was fine too.
Good bait
Funny thing is it felt like Pattinson was just doing a Defoe impression, who was also in the film as the Noble Heron lol
Watched it. As people have stated, it’s very loose in structure and does not follow story/character conventions from most movies. Characters come and go and plot threads get lost without resolution. This is because the entire film is a lucid stream of consciousness experience. It’s Miyazaki’s closest to a pure art film and a total pleb filter. Reminded me of experimental late-career films from accomplished directors like Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams where it’s a series of the most incredible fantasy visions imaginable thematically strung together. Many scenes made me smile. I loved it.
There’s also a hilarious interpretation of the movie as Hayao trusting his child grandson as his successor after losing hope in Goro.
But the little boy in the movie "no way gay's" his great-grand uncle. Wouldn't that mean Hayao is rejecting Miyazaki to take his own path in life?
Like I said, just a funny “meme” interpretation. Hayao would be the old man trying to get his grandson to take over, and like you said, the boy instead decides he’ll march by the beat of his own drum.
I think in terms of real influences Hayao put aspects of himself into the parakeet king, and Takahata into the old man. Interesting.
I mean, it's Cinemaphile to begin with? Also sounds like artsy-fartsy bullshit
Cinemaphile probably has threads hoping for Spider-Verse to win purely out of a contrarian distaste for Miyazaki
To be fair he is a moron
Maybe they didn't watch Spider-Verse like folks here didn't watch this.
I can understand the distaste for Miyazaki though.
It still has decent audience scores. I guess the visual set pieces are so charming and imaginative people are willing to ignore plot grievances and enjoy the ride.
>hurdur turn your brain off
Not to that extent though. There’s a lot you can get from it as an active viewer, because it really feels like a journey through the afterlife drawing from the human imagination and our struggles with accepting our imperniance. But even on its surface level, you can still enjoy lots of scenes as short episodic adventures. Them catching a monster fish and slicing it into sushi as guts explode everywhere is one of Hayao’s most amazing scenes, ditto for the man-eating parakeet workshop, with something going on in every corner of the frame. There’s a lot for people to enjoy even if they’re weirded out by the more esoteric stuff.
In fact the only people I think who would legitimately hate it are the tv tropes types who grade everything based on how it fits to writing conventions and plot structure. The “it doesn’t make sense because” crowd that coincidentally makes up the majority of this userbase. It’s like an iq bell curve movie, people who accept it at face value will enjoy it and people who try to look deeper will enjoy it; people who try to make it fit into something else will not.
Ironically Ghibli is like what Disney was up until the past couple years
They were coasting critically and commercially on the brand name and decades-past works while making Wish-tier content like Boy and Heron and Ponyo
Hasn't caught up to them yet entirely though
>Wish-tier content like Boy and the Heron
Stop talking about things you know nothing out. You fricking moron. Wish is a soulless attempt at being a cashgrab and Boy and Heron is an arthouse fever dream that doesn’t give a shit about the audience. This isn’t about defending one movie over the other like consolehomosexualry, you just have no fricking idea what you’re talking about. These movies are polar opposites. There is almost no merchandise potential in the Miyazaki movie except for the rice ball sprites that show up in two scenes, the rest is some auteur commentary about war and death that even Japan is mixed on. Wish is orchestrated in every way to be an AI-amalgamation of familiar tropes and story beats with no defining voice whatsoever. Pure product.
seething
You are right
You would be right if Disney was actually successfully selling Wish merch. (It isn't.)
>Wish-tier content
Hold it way back anon.
Narratively, yeah these films are total messes. But the very least the movie still has beautiful animation and creativity doing the heavy lifting the plot and pacing are lacking.
The Boy and the Heron isn't great but the visuals and general insanity alone being put on screen beats the frick out off Wish which is both mediocre in story AND animation AND style AND creativity and so on.
Wish is an embarrassment to animation
honeslty ATSV was better as a story, the last third of TBATH feels really nonsensical and I didn't care for any of the character's. even Cinemaphile and most ghibli gays doesn't seem to care for it
Spider verse sucks ass as a story. I believe you that the Ghibli flick probably sucks too but I won't let you get away with praising Spiderverse. It was a bad movie with a bad moral and insults a lot of the characters from the first Spiderverse.
I saw it twice since Thursday in theaters.
>anons won’t talk about animated movies because opinions are subjective and the internet is for winning arguments
>default to investing in awards shows because they provide an objective “win or lose” angle
>people making the threads don’t even intend to watch the movies
>endless posts repeating common knowledge about oscar voter behavior and disney rigging for years
>only anons who make threads about animated movies not related to awards are schizos like Industrycuck and SharkTalegay imposters who just want to bash the same movies forever
dead board
But Shrek 2 is bad, objectively speaking. In fact, Shrek 2 is an overrated, boring, unfunny, outdated, visually unappealing and a vapid piece of garbage with horrendous characters like Fairy Godmother, the only good thing is puss in boots, the rest is trash, one of the worst Dreamworks/PDI efforts ever.
Forgot pic.
what happened to Cinemaphile to percieve everything not as a success in and of itself, but rather as a loss for some "opposing" side? why is everyone so hung up on imagining feuds between things they have assigned to their identity vs things they percieve to be the opposite to their identity
Cross-contamination from boards like Cinemaphile
seething
if the only negative emotion you can perceive of is anger maybe youre just a very angry little fella
>no u
pathetic
>I hate how anons just make threads to win arguments and nothing else
>HAHA YOU’RE MAD LOOKS LIKE I WIN
Proving my point for me dumb ass.
i hate this culture of everything being about "winning"
even arguments are purely about achieving victory through some snidy technicality like "haha you got angry" or "you stopped responding so victory is mine" like wtf do these people think theyre playing here, its just unpleasant
whats the point of discussing if you have nothing good to say nor anything youre curious to hear, just to say you did it? just to claim you won? is your mother proud? did it earn you fame? glory? is anyone impressed you 'won' an internet battle cause the other guy logged off, anyone other than you, for 30 seconds afterwards before it all washes away like a subpar wank?
You are a moron, there are more threads talking about the plot of the movies than about the awards.
There are three Oscar bullshit threads in the catalog right now. They get made every hour. Frick off.
Shitflinging drives engagement. A thread like "Hey have you guys seen the other potential nominees like The Peasants or Robot Dreams?" will die a few posts in
It’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course bait threads are going to get more attention because the anons are working overtime to generate rage. But that has nothing to do with my original post.
That's not half dedicated to discussing the movies, plus most of the threads are anti-Oscar
You can thank Republicans for that
bait smells so rancid i didnt even notice your mom walk into the room
Go back to x.com, homosexual
Long as Democrats are unhappy I'll thank the Ancaps.
True, but Democrats foster it with identity political victimhood. We deserve it because both sides of the extreme spectrum are manchildren who never had sex.
"all art is political."
Wasn't the argument that everything was political? Or have they already changed it?
Bit of both.
We're pissed. That's it.
"They", whoever you think that is, put a lot of effort into pissing us off, and what do you know, it worked. We're pissed off.
Peasants always root for their king.
This film was just released in theater two days ago though??
it was released in Japan in July so pirates had all seen it by the time it was released in the US
I saw the movie, the animation was amazing but the story was a fricking mess. It was the best animated movie yes but the story was just okay to meh at best.
I would also like to add the ending pissed me off. Most Miyazaki movies have emotional endings or ending meanings in the ending. But not this one, he somehow didnt know the little girl was his dead mother then at the end he suddenly knew then he didnt care. He was like "if you go back you will die" and she goes "that's ok" and he goes "ok bye" and the movie ends. There was no emotional goodbye or anything. The movie ended 2 mins later.
The issue the movie had was it was a "Child unsatisifed in the reral world discovers magic world" that lacks a lot of the narrative beats these sort of movies have. Like in movies such as Coroline, Alice in Wonderland, etc. you have that moment where te kids discovers the fantasy world and thinks "Wow, this is so much better than my shitty real life". But the problem is the kid from the very beggining is fully aware this is all bullshit and doesn't really want to stay.
Now the argument can be made that the arcs is actually meant to reflect the step-mom. She was the one that went to the fantasy world. And before that we see her in her fever dreams show her regrets to her dead sister The boys and step-moms arc is meant to be parallel to one another. Kid isolate himself to escape dealing with the change of new setting and mother. Step-Mother succumbs to the idea of having her child in a fantasy world as means to escape the fear of taking care of child she believes hate her and deal with the death of older sister. The arc of realizing the fantasy world must be left behind wasn't the boys arc but her's. And the boy accepting her and calling her "Mom" instead of "Miss" is what maker her realize her mistake.
But the problem with this interpretation is:
A) We never have that inciting incident where the we see the boy activily ignore/mistreat the step or the two fight that pushes her to leave
B) We never actually see the two sisters interact with one another
So you basically have a movie that implies an arc but never at any point shows it.
>slideshow movie.
Disney why did you have to sabotage production of an animated movie on ones?
Why have you forsaken Cinemaphile?
I’m glad Spider-Man and TMNT didn’t get it either.
>even the critics stopped handing out those pity prizes