Do moms like Livia Soprano actually exist out there? I can't imagine hating my own mother
 |
 DMT Has Friends For Me Shirt $21.68 |
|
Do moms like Livia Soprano actually exist out there? I can't imagine hating my own mother
Do moms like Livia Soprano actually exist out there? I can't imagine hating my own mother
|
DMT Has Friends For Me Shirt $21.68 |
|
transparent mommy issues thread
No. Sopranos is a live action cartoon
imagine your own mother hates you.
that dark enough for you?
my mom hates me because i jerked off once in front of her and then shot fat ropes all over her favorite rug
story, please
Yeah and some of them are even schizophrenic to boot
guys i think i actually have mommy issues. i dont know why
my mommy is an angel and i feel sorry for anyone who never had an angel mommy
Moms have drowned their kids in the bathtub. Yes, things are possible. Even things that make you feel bad.
She reminded me of my grandmother.
my grandma was a lot like livia, with the negative attention getting, and whittling my grandfather down to a little nub, and the endless drama. she hated my mother, but she loved my dad my brother and i because we "came from her", or she was at least extremely good at acting like she did.
>mother was nearly as nice as Jesus when I was a kid
>gets old and senile and now is evil
was she just pretending to be a good person the whole time?
Dementia can cause personality changes. My grandma was a nice, caring person until about 75, then the early stages of dementia kicked in and she turned into a mean old woman
Not only can it cause personality changes but it essentially completely eradicates and replaces someones personality.
My mommy went the opposite route. But I still just remember her as a b***h that beat me when I was little, even if she is nice now.
Do you treat her based on what she is today or what she was in the past
There is a non-grandiose, more subtle kind of narcissism, it's usually manifested in a persecution attention-seeking complex
What she was in the past. The facts are that she ruined our family.
I met up with her one decade later after my parents separated and she was nice, but it felt like she was a stranger the whole time. It still feels like she's just a nice stranger that sends me money sometimes.
Literally my mom
>b***h switches up once she realises she needs you in her senior years
Yeah, nah she'll just see me once a year for christmas tyvm
how moronic are you? do you think actively being nice is somehow different to being a nice person? if someone overcomes cruel thoughts to be loving, they are an amazing person. being nice isn’t just thinking nothing but nice thoughts. god you’re fricking deranged
You're underestimating how much worse things got. She isn't manipulative and passive aggressive like Livia, she shrieks curse words like a banshee and starts swinging at you. That never would've happened while I was a kid and she was one of the sweetest women to have ever lived. It depresses me.
if your brain was literally half rotten I doubt you’d be a saint either. don’t judge her for her actions when she’s suffering from conditions you can’t imagine. she won’t be aware of anything going on. but to retroactively say she was NEVER good despite her actively being good makes no sense. actions make you good, not thoughts. someone suffering from dementia can’t be judged any more than a chimp can
Dementia can make people aggressive, it can really change a persons whole personality.
The sweetness you remember may also have been a very conscious effort on her behalf to maintain civility for impulsive behaviour she knew was inappropriate. The older you get the less you give a frick
most christ cucks are
One of my grandmas was a bit like Livia, but not as bad. Selfish, spiteful and mean to certain people, though she never seemed to take joy in it like Livia did.
my mother is very close but I still force myself to love her as a favor to my dad. at very crucial moments in my life she was not only not there for me but she damned me and lashed out viciously as if i had blamed all my problems on her. I treat her well though
what is she supposed to be like anyway
Livia or Janice. Which is more unlikable?
Janice. Livia is meaner but is brutally honest about her intentions. Janice will pretend to be your friend and take advantage of you.
Janice is disgusting in addition to being unlikable
janice is more unlikeable in an annoying/resentful way but shes way dumber and not nearly as good at manipulation so i'd rather have her in my life than livia who is actually good at fricking up everyone else's life
Janice is extremely manipulative and emotionally abusive, the way she schemed with Bobby's kid is a recipe for future resentment
i know, im just saying shes dogshit at it compared to livia and its way easier to see through her
Janice is just a dumb confused b***h while Livia is a manipulative mother who ruined multiple people’s lives. There’s no question which is worse.
Mine was worse. It’s part of the reason I hate women and am confused about my sexuality.
Yes mothers like that exist (guess how I know)
The similarities are striking, like a copy and paste of traits
Knowing that this character reflects a reality makes the sopranos an even better show for me
Another fun observation:
A bit of similarity in looks too, physiognomy is true through and through
I know a girl who was born out of wedlock.
The dad didn't want to have anything to do with her because he had another family. And the mom tried to starve her to death when she was a baby. Then social services took care of her.
Livia was an ok mom.
>And the mom tried to starve her to death when she was a baby. Then social services took care of her.
what a monster
I worked with a woman who told me about how her dad raped her when she was a child, and her mother shouted at her and denied that the whole thing could be possible when she finally told her. Another told me how someone she knew (not sure if neighbor or teacher or something) molested her as a kid and her mother didn't believe her. The second one also never knew her real father, and her step dad's mother would refuse to even look at or acknowledge her despite the fact he started dating her mother when she was a baby. Some parents are just utter fricking buttholes.
OP
I DON'T LIKE THAT KIND OF TAWLK
she's supposedly based on a real mobster's mom, so yes.
no shes based on david chases mom. That's what he said. I'm thinking chase is part of the issue cause hes a massive butthole as well.
Why is he an butthole
(except ruining the sopranos legacy with the moronic prequel)
BPD has a genetic link, its quite likely Chase exhibits much of the same personality traits as her
Had a BPD mom, and pretty sure I have it too, but I'm not about to dish out the money to have a psych major affirm it.
But yeah. Moms like Livia are very real, and honestly the Sopranos kinda soft-balled how they can be, because she seems to be scheming in a certain direction... but in actuality that kind of mom doesn't have an over-arching goal, and is instead just behaving in a fricked up vestigial way. This makes them even more toxic, because there isn't a goal, its just reflexive actions moment to moment.
The show did kind of capture that at times. One second she's begging Tony for love, and the next she's poisoning his uncle against him.
Livia isn't BPD, she's NPD and those do tend to scheme
That's a fair point, probably more accurate. It always gets fuzzy talking fictional character's psychology because they're written instead of real people made by circumstance. BPD plus post-traumatic could produce almost the same characteristics as NPD, but we don't have enough context of her life (because it wasn't in the script.)
Fair enough
She could be stealing you know
Emphasis on could
Hey, yes I didn't mention that I suspect I also probably have BPD (mine are mostly internalising though, I specifically didn't want to end up like my mother) but I don't want to confirm a diagnosis because of the stigma. That's why I feel Janice and Tony exhibit the symptoms betters than livia did on screen, I see myself in their intense emotional feelings as well. M
mine was and is exactly like her, but more drunk and mentally ill and somehow not in a home
My mother has BPD and much of my childhood development is defined by her erratic outbursts and emotional abuse and manipulation. Livia onscreen though generally appears more tame than my experience which made it harder for me to understand her reputation, though BPD symptoms tend to lessen in elderly age
Imo Tony and Janice fit the bill very well too and I got more emotional triggers watching them than I did with livia
Livia is probably NPD but they do have a lot of traits in common with BPDs
I didn't fully realize the problems with Livia's personality until I started to notice first hand in real life
Yes a lot of toxic behaviours can come across as Narcissistic. I thought the same about my own mother for while, but I don't think Livia exhibited grandiosity or lack of empathy, she understood very well how much she could hurt those around her
>NPD
North Poler Disorder?
she's a bit mental
she reminded me of my dad, who is dead now
Do you miss him
sometimes, there are good memories, but a lot of damage was done and there is some relief knowing i don't have to deal with his bs anymore
So many aspects of Livia are exactly the same as my grandma it’s eerie
She refuses to move into a retirement home and has a Haitian home health aide that she constantly accuses of stealing just like Livia
>Haitian home health aide that she constantly accuses of stealing just like Livia
Because he probably is. Do not trust your parents' care to Black folk unless you actually hate them.
The only foreigners I would trust to take care of my parents would be Filipinos, and that's iff I could convince my parents to conspicuously display Catholic stuff.
She's literally me
probably israeli moms
>A gentile man calls his mother and says, "Mother, I know you 're expecting me for dinner this evening, but something important has come up and I can't make it."
>His mother says: "OK."
>Two gentile mothers meet on the street and start talking about children.
>Gentile mother 1 (said with pride): "My son is a construction worker!"
>Gentile mother 2 (said with more pride): "My son is a truck driver!"
>A gentile man calls his elderly mother. He asks, "Mom, how are you feeling? Do you need anything?"
>She says, "I'm feeling fine, and I don't need anything. Thanks for calling."
>A gentile woman is giving birth to a son
>Dr Goldstein asks her: " When are we circumcising him? "
>The gentile mother tells him: "Why would i even do that to my son?? I'm not a satanic piece of shit nor a child rapist like you people."
>three israeli women are eating lunch at a restaurant
>the waiter stops by the table and asks, is anything all right?
I’m Italian and my mom’s like that.
I don't know anyone like Livia, but goddamn do I know many Janices.
Kino personality, destined to take over the world but bound to female vessel. (end sarcasm)
Look at him, he knows everything.
Yeah, my mom.
OH POOR ANONS
Thinking mothers don't physically or mentally abuse their kids is the ultimate normie privilege filter.
i wanted to like her, but she had some really weird and antisocial world views
Was she wrong though
>massive narcissist is also racist
wow. shocking. that NEVER happens kek.
>think psychiatry is a bullshit scam
>one of the most based characters on the show was a israeli psychiatrist that refused to accept money
anti-semite bros... our response?
he wasn't actually doing any good, he just scared carmela away right from the start by trying to flex like a moron, probably because he felt offended being called a israelite, basically every psychiatrist shown in the show (there are actually a lot), is just another human and are all scumbags who don't really achieve anything, or even make things worse, every soprano household character gets a psychiatrist that is garbage in their own way. its really funny.
a nice little detail was in season 4 tony saying "oh poor you" like livia, and then in season 6 AJ also says it
>oh poor you
That’s become one of my favorite expressions of sarcasm and mockery. Not that Livia gets any credit for it.
Tony constantly says this after his mother dies. Right after his coma he says "you go about in self pity" at least once an episode.
Really shows that he projects everything and is constant denial.
You go about in great pity for yourself, like a woman with the ham under her arm cryin' because she didn't walk down and frick 'em all
crazy that so many people had terrible mothers
i feel lucky that mine was actually normal and loving
my mom would act like her but only when she was in psychosis as she was a paranoid schizophrenic
Sometimes I wonder if I’m a paranoid schizophrenic. Can you tell me what she was like?
My grandmother is like her. Constantly looking for attention, holding her family as emotional hostages.
Luckily my mother grew tired of it and barely has anything to do with her anymore.
>My grandmother is like her. Constantly looking for attention, holding her family as emotional hostages.
How does that work? I mean for normal people
You either leave or you manage it, you temper your expectations and maintain necessary boundaries when dealing with them
Barbara is the only sibling who has a normal lifestyle and probably the least troubled relationship with Livia, and that's only because she maintains a physical and emotional distance between her and the rest of the family
>pawtism
Bet you think you're purrty funny huh?
Livia is NPD, Tony and Janice are BPD
Also Livia and Tony are evil, while Janice is disgusting
is tony BDP? always pegged him as sociopath
BPD is perhaps the most common comorbidity with Anti social personality disorder, theres a study on it
Ive never seen the sopranos , but after watching a few clips on YT I have an awful feeling that my mother is a Livia
My granma has properties that she rents in the downtown area of her town. I asked her to rent me out one of her recently vacated locals for my food business. She told me that she already rented it. One day I was at her place and the phone rang, it was someone asking about the local. Later my cousin told me she told him she didn't want to rent it to me. I haven't visited her in 3 years, she called me on Christmas but I didn't answer. I didn't ask for anything free, I had the money for rent. She never liked me becuase she hates my mom and I look a lot like her.
My sister thinks my mom is Liva but my sister is a dumbass who makes poor decisions. Im so grateful i had a loving albeit over caring mother.
Hug your mom bros
>parents were emotionally abusive as a child
>never self aware or apologetic
>the last time i felt genuine affection from my mother was when she got drunk
>comfort zone was fantasizing about comitting suicide in her place of work after school
>zero treatment for diagnosed autism/ADHD making it borderline impossible to function
>move out
>wake up in the night hallucinating my name being screamed from another room for five years
>first job as a drver
>routinely zone out on the road reliving/processing traumatic memories in my head
>parents are much more loving now
>finding it very difficult to reciprocate love/support given
>always remember the lonely child weeping in bed, being yelled at for crying through the door at 2 am
One day they're going to need me in their old age. I don't know what's going to happen when I have to confront that, and I don't think they realize that. You reap what you sow I guess.
Its common for parents to apologise later on in life, you can look at it cynically for a myriad of reasons but I think its generally good for everyone to try and accept it
I've received one (as far as she was willing to go, wrapping up straight up abuse as love) and though I struggle with myself to maintain a relationship and I still maintain strict boundaries (overly harsh in her opinion) I am glad we can move on
Tony never getting that from Livia really fricked him up, and he'd likely do the same to his kids
>I've received one (as far as she was willing to go, wrapping up straight up abuse as love)
How the frick did that work?
She simply didn't acknowledge the times she purposely tried to hurt me and rejected my fundamental being with things no parent should do or say to their child, she just said she didn't get everything right but she meant well. I'm beyond arguing with her because it's an entirely pointless endeavour so I accepted this was as far as she was willing to come. I think her ego wont let her come that far, but I know she knows it
>She simply didn't acknowledge the times she purposely tried to hurt me and rejected my fundamental being with things no parent should do or say to their child, she just said she didn't get everything right but she meant well.
That sounds pretty reasonable, better than a lot of people ever get. Are you sure you're remembering things right, what exactly did she say and do that was so awful you're still holding a grudge against her yet not so bad you'd still be on speaking terms?
>I don't know what's going to happen when I have to confront that
Just tell them
>Of course I'm going to take care of you two when you're old, just like how you took care of me during my childhood
Yes, my mom is like that. I don't hate her, I even love her, but I'd prefer to not have to interact with her ever again.
The least good things my parents did bringing me up were allowing me to watch MTV unsupervised, and repeatedly breaking promises like that's no big deal. When I later broke promises to others in turn, I ended up feeling awful.
>mother lets me know daily that she hates my fricking guts
>try to tell other people
>"What's the matter? Did she take your xbox away?"
>get called crazy, stupid, and a liar among other insults
>become incredibly bitter and hateful
>can't trust women for shit
>have more in common with a 40 y/o divorcee at 14 than I do with my peers
>mfw people are just going to let this happen over and over because God forbid society holds women to account
I just rest easy knowing there's more of me coming. I don't have to abuse anyone because I know women will do it for me and men will let it happen. I just have to sit back and enjoy the trainwreck.
I don't know what's worse, intentional malice or causing harm due to BPD and low IQ. At least in the former case you know your parent is a piece of shit and you should want nothing to do with them. It's the mixed bag of BPD that's actually nerve-wracking.
Yes, there are several of these spiteful shrews in my family.
>t. Dominic Decoco
When did you last hug your mom, anons?
Livia is based off of David Chase's mom if I remember correctly