Not just music. I had a english teacher who was like this. Found out later she was raping one of the guys in my class. i know its le edgy Cinemaphile but she made him eat her pussy after classes and would berate him that he wasn't allowed to "frick" her. complete psycho and she was "quietly" asked to leave the school.
yup, i'm a complete aspie. social reject. tbf, nobody did anything. she was so scary that it took a year for one of the parents to find out. thats power i guess
The entire year just stood there and watched. All chads, virgins, nerds and the stacies. You think anyone said a word, lifted a finger? No, Anon. Over 60 kids and that classroom was silent as a crypt. Except for the moans, of course, and the teacher laughing.
In LAUSD when teachers get caught grooming and fricking students they just get moved to other schools quietly instead of fired. The reigning California teachers union teacher of the year got caught fricking her underage students. My English teacher in middle school tried to groom me but I resisted her advances. Then she spent the rest of the year bullying me when she realized i had no interest in her and didn't respond to her flirting. She was a 50 year old ugly c**t Iranian lady named Ms Massoudi and taught at Portola Middle School. I'm writing her real name so this is recorded on the internet forever. I'm sure she has fricked a ton of underage students based on the way she flirted so hard with me and some other guys in my class. We were 12 and 13 ffs, wtf was wrong with this pedo c**t Massoudi?
Not to rub it in, but I had a brief fling with my elementary school PE teacher after I got out of high school. She was on the outs with her husband at the time and was in her mid-thirties. Her body was literal perfection, like a marble statue.
If Massoudi is hot I would have understood, but she was a wrinklefaced c**t with a horrifically grating Iranian accent. I hope she got caught and faced justice for her pedo ways.
Here she is. Shahin Massoudi- mega c**t and pedo groomer. I will never forgive her for sabotaging my grades and bullying me for a year because I thought her flirting was disgusting
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You oughtta turn her in.
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It's 15 years after the fact and I don't think she's at the school anymore. The CA teachers union protects pedo teachers anyways so there's no point.
are you white? brown women hate getting rejected by white guys
I'm white and when she was flirting with me she kept saying I looked like prince Harry, then in class she would always talk about how hot she thought prince Harry was, even when we were supposed to be reading to kill a mockingbird, she'd interrupt with a dumb anecdote about escaping the Iranian revolution as a israeli Iranian, or something dumb about prince Harry.
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>she kept saying I looked like prince Harry
kek
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are you white? brown women hate getting rejected by white guys
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>ugly
confirmed homo
>sabotaging my grades and bullying me
hot humiliation foreplay
i'm glad i didn't have her as a teacher because i would
oh yes i would
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would
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You wouldn't after hearing her talk. That grating persian accent still fills my nightmares.
She was. She was fresh outta college my fourth grade year. We were all smitten with her. I had no illusions about what that fling was. She was a woman closing in on forty who wanted to feel young again.
No. I was 13 and didn't even realize what had happened and what she was doing until years later. She creeped me out instinctively but i didn't understand why. I was naive and had no concept that teachers or adults would be groomer pedos, i just wanted to play diablo ii and starcraft. I also come from an upbringing where snitches get stitches.
I had a teacher like this also, that made the students stand up when he entered the classroom and remain quiet and only sit down whenever hed tell us too and that kind of stuff.
Two years after we graduated he married one of the quiet girls in my class and it came out they had been fricking when she was 17 (legal in my country) and that broke the marriage etc.
I am pretty sure every ultra disciplinarian teacher just gets off on it and is a sexual deviant
>The delight of your sacrifice. Jealousy. >Excitement. Hatred. Envy. Guilt from watching. Excitement. Self-loathing. Then excitement again-- excitement, and pleasure...
No, they don't. Very highly regarded tutors used to be obsessively demanding in a load of disciplines (performing arts, STEM, sports) but elite institutions are run by bureaucratic women who insist on doing everything 'by the book' now. The extreme focus on "safety" and "wellbeing" came from corporate HR departments and is rife everywhere now. It's inherently antagonist to a very male type of dedication/monomania/focus that every great creative / executive / athlete has displayed to some degree. Long story short: the last 40 years has seen the universal Nurse Ratched lobotomize the collective Randle McMurphy.
>can't handle the best in the business
he was trash tho. anybody who's into jazz knows that playing fricking caravan and 50's standards is like slowly watching your soul die. The director admittedly hates fusion jazz, basically meaning anything post 1965. the film has no good taste in jazz.
because it's a movie. not that places like that don't exist. it's mostly prestige and pretentiousness. people think jazz and classical music is really complex but it isn't. just go listen to whatever you like and leave the snobs to jack each other off.
>if he wasn't willing to put in the work?
The whole movie was he was putting in the work though. Just not to the dommy standard of his teacher who was getting off on topping his students.
Jazz is boomer music. Either play the classic boomer hits or frick off. No one wants woke post modern jazz fusion bullshit besides homosexuals at Juilliard
I think that's actually the funniest thing in the movie. Sure you can be the best jazz drummer in the world but that's like being the best cherry pit spitter, nobody gives a frick, beside other cherry pit spitters kek
This. The entire movie they hype up his drumming like the final piece is going to be something badass like the Gene Krupa Buddy Rich drum battle. Instead Whiplash is some piece of shit '70s jazz that sounds like Weather Channel music and the concert is in some mediocre location. I always thought the movie was a dark comedy, the joke is that these two are so autistically obsessed with something that few people really care about.
They act like this in community college. It is spirit destroying. I can't touch a piano without my hands shaking. Not a pussy, a lot of musicians take beta blockers to cover that up.
No, they don't. Very highly regarded tutors used to be obsessively demanding in a load of disciplines (performing arts, STEM, sports) but elite institutions are run by bureaucratic women who insist on doing everything 'by the book' now. The extreme focus on "safety" and "wellbeing" came from corporate HR departments and is rife everywhere now. It's inherently antagonist to a very male type of dedication/monomania/focus that every great creative / executive / athlete has displayed to some degree. Long story short: the last 40 years has seen the universal Nurse Ratched lobotomize the collective Randle McMurphy.
>inherently antagonist to a very male type of dedication/monomania
Haha no if you're a savant you can easily be ultra sensitive to abuse. If you have the type of brain that processes everything at a level others don't, then being screamed at over mistakes and gaslit fricks you for the rest of your life.
Shitty music teachers are just working out their own trauma onto their students and/or are autistic and don't have empathy that works correctly.
They are bullies. But I think it's a good thing. I went to music class because I wanted to learn how to play a piano. I thought I was going to get to play a piano instantly. I had to learn how to read notes and sing. For an entire fricking year. The teacher pased me, but barely. I got 50,50%. I had to sing in front of her like I was a fricking choirboy. What the frick? I enlisted because I wanted to play a piano. So I quit.
College music programs are moronic and will scam you. They have zero interest in your goals and exist to continue to exist. I won't go into it but your piano story is a funny example.
>Film about a dedicated though passionate music teacher trying to extract greatness from his students. >People call him a villain
t. guy whose band mates nicknamed him ‘Fletcher’
My draconian band director verged on this. He was my favorite teacher. I spent the whole time I was there wondering what he was doing at a little podunk school in the middle of nowhere. I shit you not, he was basically a virtuoso on every instrument you could think of, a legit prodigy. Years after I graduated, I got up the nerve to ask him, and he invited me out to lunch. At the lunch, he played me some of his original compositions. They were terrible. I don’t mean terrible in the sense that they were poorly written. Every harmony, every dissonance was perfectly executed, but it was just … soulless. It was like listening to an AI that had been asked to write a piece in the style of Mozart, or a piece in the style of Holst or Ives or Rachmaninoff or pretty much anyone else you care to think of. He played through samples like that, naming off each composer’s style and signature motifs as he did so. At first, I thought he was insulted by just the look on my face, but then I realized that the disgust I could see was directed inward. He said, “It’s OK. You can be honest. It’s horrible, right?” I tried to be polite, but he cut me off. He pulled a scrapbook out of his satchel. In it, there were clippings of reviews of former students of his that had gone on to become musicians of note. I was among them. I’m not exactly world-famous or anything, but odds are you’ve heard me at some point or another. The others are much the same with one notable exception.
He let me look through his collection of clippings briefly, then said, “You see, I figured out a long time ago that I can’t write, but I still had that drive to create, so instead I create musicians.” I have never again seen a man look so content as he looked at that moment.
My draconian band director verged on this. He was my favorite teacher. I spent the whole time I was there wondering what he was doing at a little podunk school in the middle of nowhere. I shit you not, he was basically a virtuoso on every instrument you could think of, a legit prodigy. Years after I graduated, I got up the nerve to ask him, and he invited me out to lunch. At the lunch, he played me some of his original compositions. They were terrible. I don’t mean terrible in the sense that they were poorly written. Every harmony, every dissonance was perfectly executed, but it was just … soulless. It was like listening to an AI that had been asked to write a piece in the style of Mozart, or a piece in the style of Holst or Ives or Rachmaninoff or pretty much anyone else you care to think of. He played through samples like that, naming off each composer’s style and signature motifs as he did so. At first, I thought he was insulted by just the look on my face, but then I realized that the disgust I could see was directed inward. He said, “It’s OK. You can be honest. It’s horrible, right?” I tried to be polite, but he cut me off. He pulled a scrapbook out of his satchel. In it, there were clippings of reviews of former students of his that had gone on to become musicians of note. I was among them. I’m not exactly world-famous or anything, but odds are you’ve heard me at some point or another. The others are much the same with one notable exception.
He let me look through his collection of clippings briefly, then said, “You see, I figured out a long time ago that I can’t write, but I still had that drive to create, so instead I create musicians.” I have never again seen a man look so content as he looked at that moment.
But it is a good story
What genre do you play? What's the biggest venue you've played?
I’m a session player, mostly. Biggest live venue I ever played was the Garden. Been in the background on more than a couple of talk shows over the years. I’m gonna leave it at that out of respect for my old band director’s privacy.
I asked this to someone who went to a school like that and performed in NYC, and they said no, they don't teach. You're supposed to know already at that point. Their job is basically accuracy, timing, and the same stuff he was going through in the movie.
>Andrew you are not as good as Tommy "Tap-Tap" Paplapski >auuuuugh frick gotta drum harderrrrrrr >You are still not as good as Johnny "The Weasel" Teasel >fuuuuuuuck I hate my football playing brotherrrrrrrs >Andrew, now that you've intentionally sabotaged my band, I will not frick you like a pig like I said I would >yaaaay I'm gonna die of a drug overdose!
I live in an apartment complex with a bunch of music grad students and it sounds like music students are the scummiest people on the planet. They've always got drama going on. They constantly scheme and backstab each other to get ahead, seemingly way more than any other competitive major. If you are 1st chair there will always be another student trying to undercut you, literally hiding your music folders like what sort of happens in the movie or telling the instructors that you don't know how to perform a song if you are absent for one day.
I was showing the "Not my Tempo" scene to a bunch of friends. I have an autistic, extremely low-self esteem friend and she asked me to stop playing it because it reminded her too much of her dad, who is a piano instructor. Before you ask, I couldn't fix her
> hey've always got drama going on. They constantly scheme and backstab each other to get ahead, seemingly way more than any other competitive major.
Because feminine men are attracted to majoring in the arts, so they display more feminine acts of cruelty and deceit.
I heard this movie enabled a frickton of psychos into teaching because they just believed that you can traumatise people and basically create broken human beings if you produce some temporary results. Then a lot of them realized what it actually means when all students have a smartphone in their pockets ready to record them when they act like fricktards in front of the class.
Adam Neely is EVEN more moronic than I thought if he thinks Fletcher was supposed to represent Jazz education in general. Obviously there are nutjobs like this out there, maybe minus the chair throwing. Watch Toscanini chew out the double bass section.
My middle school orchestra teacher was just like him but without the physical abuse. Our school orchestra won some big contest several years in a row. When I got to the advanced class she spent all year telling us how we were the best class she ever had, and acted like we'd win the contest by default. At the end of the year we only placed third. No joke she didn't show up to class for two weeks, and when she came back she didn't talk about the contest and put in no effort to teaching us.
The good thing about this teacher is she made us watch Amadeus and the Gary Oldman beethoven movie in class several times.
Yep.
Had a high school music teacher who was infamous for throwing a chair at a student. Really explosive temper. He also had a limp and the rumour was that he had accidentally shot himself in the foot.
(No, he was never fired or disciplined to any of our knowledge)
We won awards for years when we had an butthole music director. When he retired my high school went through a revolving door of fresh-faced college grads that all the kids liked but the school stopped winning awards. I don't think you need to be this extreme but if you can weed out kids who are only there to pad out their GPA and do nothing for an hour a day it helps.
My middle school jazz band teacher got frustrated easily. Usually if the class was acting up he'd make us play Louie, Louie or Night Train over and over again for the rest of class, non-stop, as punishment.
One time this homosexual trombone player (always the trombonists, frick them) was talking to his friend while we were playing. Not just during a quiet part, but when he should have been playing his part! Absolutely audacious. The teacher had enough, ripped out the pencil sharpener from the wall, and threw it right at the kid. It missed but I wish it hadn't. Most of us there would've backed the teacher up and said the trombone kid hurt himself somehow. Why would you even be in an extracurricular music class if you don't want to be there? Your parents make you go? Just ditch the class, moron! Thankfully he never joind high school jazz band.
Also, regarding Whiplash, I think for a lot of music students, Fletcher exists in their head. They are their own worst enemy. Bad practices and habits tend to catch up and reinforce negative beliefs until you inevitably slip up during a concert, then go home and beat your head into the wall until you're bleeding and ears are ringing...
I hated my teacher and I got bored easily in rehearsal so as one of the 3 alto saxophones I would always play a random song different from what we were supposed to be playing. My teacher was a complete c**t so I enjoyed making her mad. She'd scream at me for several minutes and then I'd just do the same thing when we start playing again and she'd pretend she didn't notice but I could tell she was raging.
I have no idea why she didn't just kick me out of the class or drop me down from advanced to intermediate. I'm this anon btw
My middle school orchestra teacher was just like him but without the physical abuse. Our school orchestra won some big contest several years in a row. When I got to the advanced class she spent all year telling us how we were the best class she ever had, and acted like we'd win the contest by default. At the end of the year we only placed third. No joke she didn't show up to class for two weeks, and when she came back she didn't talk about the contest and put in no effort to teaching us.
The good thing about this teacher is she made us watch Amadeus and the Gary Oldman beethoven movie in class several times.
Frick that c**t for slavedriving middle school kids and working us like we were being paid. I wish I could say that I was the reason we lost the competition due to sabotaging the judged performance on purpose but I actually practiced really hard for that part and the teacher even let me have a 3 bar solo for some reason.
no the opposite in my case, they were way too lenient with the students and so on, also mixed classes with those who ere really good and had a lot of previous music schooling and us novices. it just created an environment of ressentiment and inequality
Huh. In my experience the kids who were good at music had the most fun and were the most outgoing. Tons of kids were warm bodies who didn't practice a lick and could barely squawk notes out, well into high school, after 4+ years of classes. They also tended to be super shy or have 1 good friend. Any resentment wasn't deserved.
>Kid gets into Harvard Law >Gets Kingfield >omg pressure >kills himself
many such cases
Is the 2nd season of Paper Chase worth it? I tried the first episode and hated every minute. Some characters were gone, others were balding and ancient looking, and the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Also, Lois from Malcom in the Middle was too jarring. She's supposed to be a mom, not a law student.
its hard to explain but this was a dedicated music programme in a public high school in sweden which anyone could attend. the gist of it is that i think it would be better for everyone if there were separate schools or classes depending on ones skill level with entrance exams and so on.
i also agree with
No, they don't. Very highly regarded tutors used to be obsessively demanding in a load of disciplines (performing arts, STEM, sports) but elite institutions are run by bureaucratic women who insist on doing everything 'by the book' now. The extreme focus on "safety" and "wellbeing" came from corporate HR departments and is rife everywhere now. It's inherently antagonist to a very male type of dedication/monomania/focus that every great creative / executive / athlete has displayed to some degree. Long story short: the last 40 years has seen the universal Nurse Ratched lobotomize the collective Randle McMurphy.
, it was very cuddly cuddly when i would have been a much better student if it were more strict. we got off easy and the teachers let us play shows and praised us, making us feel more important than we were and nowadays i cringe at my years in high school because of it
Definitely, I think there are a lot of crossed wires and I would unironically suspect of anyone who claims their passion is teaching kids/being around kids, women included.
Usually they have unresolved issues from their own childhood (they are almost always the quiet kids, etc.) so its very dangerous as they try to recapture/re-do that stuff.
>middle school science teacher >had a catchphrase, "some people have a short fuse, I have no fuse." >acted like a drill sergeant >constantly screaming at kids for the tiniest infraction >would play in our after school dodge ball club and actively try to hurt kids throwing as hard as he could >everyone was terrified of him
Fricking hated that guy and looking back, he was not an effective educator. Anyway, I killed his prized venus fly trap plant by feeding it mechanical pencil lead. He blew a gasket over that but I was never found out.
I had two notably c**ty teachers, one in third grade and one in college.
Third grade was a fat woman who just liked to scream her head off at small children.
College was a little, old gay man who seemed to want to run the class like a highschool clique. He’d randomly stop talking about the lesson and go on a tangent about other teachers or students in other classes being dumb. It was like the mind of a teenage girl trapped in an old gay body.
It's over-dramatized, but the substance is probably there. Same for chefs in kitchens, they don't always act like the chefs in Burnt (2015), but there's a bunch of heat and pressure and short tempers.
Musicians and artists in general are often extremely histrionic and BPD. And when you're in an apprenticeship like that you're constantly baring your soul, which makes it easy to be shat on. Chopin would scream and break furniture when he was teaching.
I studied piano for 12 years, and I agree with the teacher that you have to really push. But your student has to trust you, and that's where his approach fails.
Generally no. That's why he was fired and his antics were interesting enough to be in a movie. If he acted like a regular music teacher, what would the movie be about? A talented kid going to Juilliard and succeeding? No one wants to watch that. It's boring. Shut the frick up
I like the movie but it totally distorts what (leaving) playing music for a living is like. The most egregious part is that it completely lacks the joy of playing music. Everyone going to such lengths to make it a career loves music, loves playing and loves playing together. And in a similar vein, music competitions are not these brutal cutthroat affairs, even if the movie tries really, really hard to pretend it’s just like college sports. It’s not/
I'm an adult music learner and my teacher is a less hardcore version of this. The lessons consist of of me playing pieces while he shouts any adjustments at me interspersed with relevant activities such as scales and arpeggios. I prefer it, you get effective and immediate feedback to whatever you're doing wrong and can just fix it.
>I watch Whiplash a week before my final exams every semester and internally method act as Miles Teller's character for the week that I'm studying >if I miss a question on a practice exam I imagine Fletcher berating me in front of the entire class
Our arts teacher was like this. Continually berating and insulting us. Granted we were only there because we had to be but that's no reason to take out your rage and bitterness because you're a failed wagie unsatisfied with life like the rest of us. One day she shows us her portfolio and a guy at the back remarks, "You made us go through all that for THAT?!" and she burst into tears.
>One day she shows us her portfolio and a guy at the back remarks, "You made us go through all that for THAT?!" and she burst into tears.
righteous vengeance kek
In elementary school the kid in front of me in the choir asked the music teacher if he could use the bathroom and she said no and then he shit himself and I could see the brown stain roll down his leg. It was pretty funny at the time
My elementary school band teacher would throw these little bean bags at kids who goofed around or fricked up the notes. Years later she got caught stealing instruments to feed her gambling addiction.
Not just music. I had a english teacher who was like this. Found out later she was raping one of the guys in my class. i know its le edgy Cinemaphile but she made him eat her pussy after classes and would berate him that he wasn't allowed to "frick" her. complete psycho and she was "quietly" asked to leave the school.
And you did nothing about.
yup, i'm a complete aspie. social reject. tbf, nobody did anything. she was so scary that it took a year for one of the parents to find out. thats power i guess
forgot to add, i was also being raped by a male student before and after (until I graduated). so thats my cosmic karma.
you alright anon?
where the frick did you go to school?
And you just stood there and watched.
The entire year just stood there and watched. All chads, virgins, nerds and the stacies. You think anyone said a word, lifted a finger? No, Anon. Over 60 kids and that classroom was silent as a crypt. Except for the moans, of course, and the teacher laughing.
Very nice.
>but she made him eat her pussy after classes and would berate him that he wasn't allowed to "frick" her.
was she fat and ugly or was it good lucky rape?
>but she made him eat her pussy after classes and would berate him that he wasn't allowed to "frick" her.
I'm still waiting for the bad part
Based psychotoid keeping the beta males in their place.
In LAUSD when teachers get caught grooming and fricking students they just get moved to other schools quietly instead of fired. The reigning California teachers union teacher of the year got caught fricking her underage students. My English teacher in middle school tried to groom me but I resisted her advances. Then she spent the rest of the year bullying me when she realized i had no interest in her and didn't respond to her flirting. She was a 50 year old ugly c**t Iranian lady named Ms Massoudi and taught at Portola Middle School. I'm writing her real name so this is recorded on the internet forever. I'm sure she has fricked a ton of underage students based on the way she flirted so hard with me and some other guys in my class. We were 12 and 13 ffs, wtf was wrong with this pedo c**t Massoudi?
Not to rub it in, but I had a brief fling with my elementary school PE teacher after I got out of high school. She was on the outs with her husband at the time and was in her mid-thirties. Her body was literal perfection, like a marble statue.
If Massoudi is hot I would have understood, but she was a wrinklefaced c**t with a horrifically grating Iranian accent. I hope she got caught and faced justice for her pedo ways.
female teachers can't be pedos or groomers and they can't rape you're just a homo
Here she is. Shahin Massoudi- mega c**t and pedo groomer. I will never forgive her for sabotaging my grades and bullying me for a year because I thought her flirting was disgusting
You oughtta turn her in.
It's 15 years after the fact and I don't think she's at the school anymore. The CA teachers union protects pedo teachers anyways so there's no point.
I'm white and when she was flirting with me she kept saying I looked like prince Harry, then in class she would always talk about how hot she thought prince Harry was, even when we were supposed to be reading to kill a mockingbird, she'd interrupt with a dumb anecdote about escaping the Iranian revolution as a israeli Iranian, or something dumb about prince Harry.
>she kept saying I looked like prince Harry
kek
are you white? brown women hate getting rejected by white guys
>ugly
confirmed homo
>sabotaging my grades and bullying me
hot humiliation foreplay
i'm glad i didn't have her as a teacher because i would
oh yes i would
would
You wouldn't after hearing her talk. That grating persian accent still fills my nightmares.
The last few years proves you very wrong, not one week pass without some female teacher getting caught for grooming
but you know what I mean right?
a grooming female (sexo) versus a groomer (ew)
females cannot be yuck unless they're fat as frick
I hear ya.
>elementary
>30s
stfu
She was. She was fresh outta college my fourth grade year. We were all smitten with her. I had no illusions about what that fling was. She was a woman closing in on forty who wanted to feel young again.
Did you at least report it anon?
No. I was 13 and didn't even realize what had happened and what she was doing until years later. She creeped me out instinctively but i didn't understand why. I was naive and had no concept that teachers or adults would be groomer pedos, i just wanted to play diablo ii and starcraft. I also come from an upbringing where snitches get stitches.
I had a teacher like this also, that made the students stand up when he entered the classroom and remain quiet and only sit down whenever hed tell us too and that kind of stuff.
Two years after we graduated he married one of the quiet girls in my class and it came out they had been fricking when she was 17 (legal in my country) and that broke the marriage etc.
I am pretty sure every ultra disciplinarian teacher just gets off on it and is a sexual deviant
It's disgusting how many public school teachers use their job to act out their sexual fetishes on unsuspecting innocent kids. Frick teachers.
>The delight of your sacrifice. Jealousy.
>Excitement. Hatred. Envy. Guilt from watching. Excitement. Self-loathing. Then excitement again-- excitement, and pleasure...
>she made him eat her pussy after classes and would berate him that he wasn't allowed to "frick" her
Don’t stop. Tell me more.
Was she hot?
That dude definitely has a femdom fetish now.
No, they don't. Very highly regarded tutors used to be obsessively demanding in a load of disciplines (performing arts, STEM, sports) but elite institutions are run by bureaucratic women who insist on doing everything 'by the book' now. The extreme focus on "safety" and "wellbeing" came from corporate HR departments and is rife everywhere now. It's inherently antagonist to a very male type of dedication/monomania/focus that every great creative / executive / athlete has displayed to some degree. Long story short: the last 40 years has seen the universal Nurse Ratched lobotomize the collective Randle McMurphy.
this is jibberish
>jibberish
gibberish? frickin ESL
Grab a dictionary or read more dummy
You probably don’t have enough life experience to understand what I’m talking about.
ignorant brainless moron
>best musician in my school
>best musician in my city
>get into best music school in the coutry
>teacher is demanding
holy Paper Chase this is pure garbage. Go join a band or something if you can't handle the best in the business.
>can't handle the best in the business
he was trash tho. anybody who's into jazz knows that playing fricking caravan and 50's standards is like slowly watching your soul die. The director admittedly hates fusion jazz, basically meaning anything post 1965. the film has no good taste in jazz.
so why was he there? why was he at the best school in the country if he wasn't willing to put in the work?
because it's a movie. not that places like that don't exist. it's mostly prestige and pretentiousness. people think jazz and classical music is really complex but it isn't. just go listen to whatever you like and leave the snobs to jack each other off.
>if he wasn't willing to put in the work?
The whole movie was he was putting in the work though. Just not to the dommy standard of his teacher who was getting off on topping his students.
Jazz is trash and jazz fusion is gay trash
Jazz is boomer music. Either play the classic boomer hits or frick off. No one wants woke post modern jazz fusion bullshit besides homosexuals at Juilliard
But there arguably isn't any postmodern jazz. The format just doesn't support textual themes. Maybe this which is fricking hilarious anyway.
At any rate, the most avant garde jazz gets is free jazz.
I think that's actually the funniest thing in the movie. Sure you can be the best jazz drummer in the world but that's like being the best cherry pit spitter, nobody gives a frick, beside other cherry pit spitters kek
This. The entire movie they hype up his drumming like the final piece is going to be something badass like the Gene Krupa Buddy Rich drum battle. Instead Whiplash is some piece of shit '70s jazz that sounds like Weather Channel music and the concert is in some mediocre location. I always thought the movie was a dark comedy, the joke is that these two are so autistically obsessed with something that few people really care about.
>best musician is a fricking drummer
Sad.
They act like this in community college. It is spirit destroying. I can't touch a piano without my hands shaking. Not a pussy, a lot of musicians take beta blockers to cover that up.
>inherently antagonist to a very male type of dedication/monomania
Haha no if you're a savant you can easily be ultra sensitive to abuse. If you have the type of brain that processes everything at a level others don't, then being screamed at over mistakes and gaslit fricks you for the rest of your life.
Shitty music teachers are just working out their own trauma onto their students and/or are autistic and don't have empathy that works correctly.
why hasen't any atleast try to fight back or beat this dude up
zoomer motto: "I had an Ordeal, therefore I am."
They are bullies. But I think it's a good thing. I went to music class because I wanted to learn how to play a piano. I thought I was going to get to play a piano instantly. I had to learn how to read notes and sing. For an entire fricking year. The teacher pased me, but barely. I got 50,50%. I had to sing in front of her like I was a fricking choirboy. What the frick? I enlisted because I wanted to play a piano. So I quit.
The tragedy of it is, I never touched a piano.
College music programs are moronic and will scam you. They have zero interest in your goals and exist to continue to exist. I won't go into it but your piano story is a funny example.
>Film about a dedicated though passionate music teacher trying to extract greatness from his students.
>People call him a villain
t. guy whose band mates nicknamed him ‘Fletcher’
People don't seem to understand the point of the movie. There are neither heroes or villains in this film. Just people who forgot to have fun.
My draconian band director verged on this. He was my favorite teacher. I spent the whole time I was there wondering what he was doing at a little podunk school in the middle of nowhere. I shit you not, he was basically a virtuoso on every instrument you could think of, a legit prodigy. Years after I graduated, I got up the nerve to ask him, and he invited me out to lunch. At the lunch, he played me some of his original compositions. They were terrible. I don’t mean terrible in the sense that they were poorly written. Every harmony, every dissonance was perfectly executed, but it was just … soulless. It was like listening to an AI that had been asked to write a piece in the style of Mozart, or a piece in the style of Holst or Ives or Rachmaninoff or pretty much anyone else you care to think of. He played through samples like that, naming off each composer’s style and signature motifs as he did so. At first, I thought he was insulted by just the look on my face, but then I realized that the disgust I could see was directed inward. He said, “It’s OK. You can be honest. It’s horrible, right?” I tried to be polite, but he cut me off. He pulled a scrapbook out of his satchel. In it, there were clippings of reviews of former students of his that had gone on to become musicians of note. I was among them. I’m not exactly world-famous or anything, but odds are you’ve heard me at some point or another. The others are much the same with one notable exception.
He let me look through his collection of clippings briefly, then said, “You see, I figured out a long time ago that I can’t write, but I still had that drive to create, so instead I create musicians.” I have never again seen a man look so content as he looked at that moment.
This shit reads like something out of a movie. Based if true.
It's because musicians are drama queens
But it is a good story
What genre do you play? What's the biggest venue you've played?
I’m a session player, mostly. Biggest live venue I ever played was the Garden. Been in the background on more than a couple of talk shows over the years. I’m gonna leave it at that out of respect for my old band director’s privacy.
Understood. Always just curious about who comes through here
Pretty dope to have been around like that.
>I was among them. I’m not exactly world-famous or anything, but odds are you’ve heard me at some point or another.
Then who the frick are you?
Was he really a teacher? I mean, did he teach anything about playing music during the movie?
I asked this to someone who went to a school like that and performed in NYC, and they said no, they don't teach. You're supposed to know already at that point. Their job is basically accuracy, timing, and the same stuff he was going through in the movie.
>Andrew you are not as good as Tommy "Tap-Tap" Paplapski
>auuuuugh frick gotta drum harderrrrrrr
>You are still not as good as Johnny "The Weasel" Teasel
>fuuuuuuuck I hate my football playing brotherrrrrrrs
>Andrew, now that you've intentionally sabotaged my band, I will not frick you like a pig like I said I would
>yaaaay I'm gonna die of a drug overdose!
Imagine being so tryhard in something that people pretend to enjoy
I live in an apartment complex with a bunch of music grad students and it sounds like music students are the scummiest people on the planet. They've always got drama going on. They constantly scheme and backstab each other to get ahead, seemingly way more than any other competitive major. If you are 1st chair there will always be another student trying to undercut you, literally hiding your music folders like what sort of happens in the movie or telling the instructors that you don't know how to perform a song if you are absent for one day.
I was showing the "Not my Tempo" scene to a bunch of friends. I have an autistic, extremely low-self esteem friend and she asked me to stop playing it because it reminded her too much of her dad, who is a piano instructor. Before you ask, I couldn't fix her
> hey've always got drama going on. They constantly scheme and backstab each other to get ahead, seemingly way more than any other competitive major.
Because feminine men are attracted to majoring in the arts, so they display more feminine acts of cruelty and deceit.
I heard this movie enabled a frickton of psychos into teaching because they just believed that you can traumatise people and basically create broken human beings if you produce some temporary results. Then a lot of them realized what it actually means when all students have a smartphone in their pockets ready to record them when they act like fricktards in front of the class.
That Adam Neely gay on youtube was at a Jazz conservatory and basically said it's nothing like that and was just dramaticized for kino
Adam Neely is EVEN more moronic than I thought if he thinks Fletcher was supposed to represent Jazz education in general. Obviously there are nutjobs like this out there, maybe minus the chair throwing. Watch Toscanini chew out the double bass section.
I could see if they were curing cancer or some shit, but no you're specializing your whole life into playing the fricking drums.
My middle school orchestra teacher was just like him but without the physical abuse. Our school orchestra won some big contest several years in a row. When I got to the advanced class she spent all year telling us how we were the best class she ever had, and acted like we'd win the contest by default. At the end of the year we only placed third. No joke she didn't show up to class for two weeks, and when she came back she didn't talk about the contest and put in no effort to teaching us.
The good thing about this teacher is she made us watch Amadeus and the Gary Oldman beethoven movie in class several times.
I assume it was partly inspired by bandleader Buddy Rich, reordered here berating his band
Yep.
Had a high school music teacher who was infamous for throwing a chair at a student. Really explosive temper. He also had a limp and the rumour was that he had accidentally shot himself in the foot.
(No, he was never fired or disciplined to any of our knowledge)
No.
We won awards for years when we had an butthole music director. When he retired my high school went through a revolving door of fresh-faced college grads that all the kids liked but the school stopped winning awards. I don't think you need to be this extreme but if you can weed out kids who are only there to pad out their GPA and do nothing for an hour a day it helps.
>I'm sorry, I can't have sex or do anything ever, I need to play drums on movie soundtracks or something
was kinda confused by this part
I wish my 5ft tall qt music teacher would have spoken to me like that corr
only the good ones
I'm happy he did this movie before he got the dentures. Its really said seeing him speak with "denture mouth" and lisping every word he speaks now.
not quite my prag
My music teacher told me that if I insisted on my elevated taste and being an overall snob I would end up as an outcast and so far he was right.
My middle school jazz band teacher got frustrated easily. Usually if the class was acting up he'd make us play Louie, Louie or Night Train over and over again for the rest of class, non-stop, as punishment.
One time this homosexual trombone player (always the trombonists, frick them) was talking to his friend while we were playing. Not just during a quiet part, but when he should have been playing his part! Absolutely audacious. The teacher had enough, ripped out the pencil sharpener from the wall, and threw it right at the kid. It missed but I wish it hadn't. Most of us there would've backed the teacher up and said the trombone kid hurt himself somehow. Why would you even be in an extracurricular music class if you don't want to be there? Your parents make you go? Just ditch the class, moron! Thankfully he never joind high school jazz band.
Also, regarding Whiplash, I think for a lot of music students, Fletcher exists in their head. They are their own worst enemy. Bad practices and habits tend to catch up and reinforce negative beliefs until you inevitably slip up during a concert, then go home and beat your head into the wall until you're bleeding and ears are ringing...
I hated my teacher and I got bored easily in rehearsal so as one of the 3 alto saxophones I would always play a random song different from what we were supposed to be playing. My teacher was a complete c**t so I enjoyed making her mad. She'd scream at me for several minutes and then I'd just do the same thing when we start playing again and she'd pretend she didn't notice but I could tell she was raging.
I have no idea why she didn't just kick me out of the class or drop me down from advanced to intermediate. I'm this anon btw
Frick that c**t for slavedriving middle school kids and working us like we were being paid. I wish I could say that I was the reason we lost the competition due to sabotaging the judged performance on purpose but I actually practiced really hard for that part and the teacher even let me have a 3 bar solo for some reason.
This might be the best thread on Cinemaphile right now. These stories are cool as shit.
no the opposite in my case, they were way too lenient with the students and so on, also mixed classes with those who ere really good and had a lot of previous music schooling and us novices. it just created an environment of ressentiment and inequality
Huh. In my experience the kids who were good at music had the most fun and were the most outgoing. Tons of kids were warm bodies who didn't practice a lick and could barely squawk notes out, well into high school, after 4+ years of classes. They also tended to be super shy or have 1 good friend. Any resentment wasn't deserved.
Is the 2nd season of Paper Chase worth it? I tried the first episode and hated every minute. Some characters were gone, others were balding and ancient looking, and the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Also, Lois from Malcom in the Middle was too jarring. She's supposed to be a mom, not a law student.
its hard to explain but this was a dedicated music programme in a public high school in sweden which anyone could attend. the gist of it is that i think it would be better for everyone if there were separate schools or classes depending on ones skill level with entrance exams and so on.
i also agree with
, it was very cuddly cuddly when i would have been a much better student if it were more strict. we got off easy and the teachers let us play shows and praised us, making us feel more important than we were and nowadays i cringe at my years in high school because of it
Music teachers are the biggest pretentious c**ts in reality, doesnt matter that they are teaching in a shit school
I know my woodwork teacher did
>Kid gets into Harvard Law
>Gets Kingfield
>omg pressure
>kills himself
many such cases
Anyone who would willingly work around kids is seriously suspect
Definitely, I think there are a lot of crossed wires and I would unironically suspect of anyone who claims their passion is teaching kids/being around kids, women included.
Usually they have unresolved issues from their own childhood (they are almost always the quiet kids, etc.) so its very dangerous as they try to recapture/re-do that stuff.
>prestigious music school
>teaches jazz
>middle school science teacher
>had a catchphrase, "some people have a short fuse, I have no fuse."
>acted like a drill sergeant
>constantly screaming at kids for the tiniest infraction
>would play in our after school dodge ball club and actively try to hurt kids throwing as hard as he could
>everyone was terrified of him
Fricking hated that guy and looking back, he was not an effective educator. Anyway, I killed his prized venus fly trap plant by feeding it mechanical pencil lead. He blew a gasket over that but I was never found out.
It always makes me feel sad when people hurt plants which are dear to others on purpose.
I had two notably c**ty teachers, one in third grade and one in college.
Third grade was a fat woman who just liked to scream her head off at small children.
College was a little, old gay man who seemed to want to run the class like a highschool clique. He’d randomly stop talking about the lesson and go on a tangent about other teachers or students in other classes being dumb. It was like the mind of a teenage girl trapped in an old gay body.
It's over-dramatized, but the substance is probably there. Same for chefs in kitchens, they don't always act like the chefs in Burnt (2015), but there's a bunch of heat and pressure and short tempers.
Musicians and artists in general are often extremely histrionic and BPD. And when you're in an apprenticeship like that you're constantly baring your soul, which makes it easy to be shat on. Chopin would scream and break furniture when he was teaching.
I studied piano for 12 years, and I agree with the teacher that you have to really push. But your student has to trust you, and that's where his approach fails.
Generally no. That's why he was fired and his antics were interesting enough to be in a movie. If he acted like a regular music teacher, what would the movie be about? A talented kid going to Juilliard and succeeding? No one wants to watch that. It's boring. Shut the frick up
I like the movie but it totally distorts what (leaving) playing music for a living is like. The most egregious part is that it completely lacks the joy of playing music. Everyone going to such lengths to make it a career loves music, loves playing and loves playing together. And in a similar vein, music competitions are not these brutal cutthroat affairs, even if the movie tries really, really hard to pretend it’s just like college sports. It’s not/
Mine was in middle school. We were really fricking good and were playing at a college level.
Math/computer science teachers can be worse.
I'm an adult music learner and my teacher is a less hardcore version of this. The lessons consist of of me playing pieces while he shouts any adjustments at me interspersed with relevant activities such as scales and arpeggios. I prefer it, you get effective and immediate feedback to whatever you're doing wrong and can just fix it.
>I'm an adult music learner
yes, musicians are very tough, don't mess with them
why not just tell le yelling man that you can easily kill him and he'd better stop being rude?
>civilian sues you because you gave their son a concussion
They just don't get it...
>I watch Whiplash a week before my final exams every semester and internally method act as Miles Teller's character for the week that I'm studying
>if I miss a question on a practice exam I imagine Fletcher berating me in front of the entire class
works fricking well too
high level professors all act like that, the movie is a critique of higher education in general.
A critique of higher by sourpuss pseuds
Music and theater kids are dumb drama homosexuals asking with the whole culture.
However it did give one of the best episodes of American Dad
>dude just beat the drums faster
Is there a bigger meme instrument?
No because they get their tires slashed by students if they try to act up
Our arts teacher was like this. Continually berating and insulting us. Granted we were only there because we had to be but that's no reason to take out your rage and bitterness because you're a failed wagie unsatisfied with life like the rest of us. One day she shows us her portfolio and a guy at the back remarks, "You made us go through all that for THAT?!" and she burst into tears.
>One day she shows us her portfolio and a guy at the back remarks, "You made us go through all that for THAT?!" and she burst into tears.
righteous vengeance kek
In elementary school the kid in front of me in the choir asked the music teacher if he could use the bathroom and she said no and then he shit himself and I could see the brown stain roll down his leg. It was pretty funny at the time
My elementary school band teacher would throw these little bean bags at kids who goofed around or fricked up the notes. Years later she got caught stealing instruments to feed her gambling addiction.
Yes we do
What fricking movie? None of you bothered to mention the title.