Now describe what happens to The Joker at the end of The Killing Joke. You will be surprised.
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joker gives batman a bj
Batman anally fricks you American petty bourgeois in your tushy.
Batman rapes The Joker.
Where can I download The Joker comic series?
The joker kills the batman as an act of self-defense.
Okay
So Joker tells a joke to Batman, Batman ends up laughing at it, they both laugh but then Batman puts his hands around Joker's upper body, then it slowly cuts to the water puddles and the laughter stops as it's implied that Batman strangled the Joker to his death
In the movie they did it similarly except as they slowly move to the puddles, Joker's laugh is slowly cut off as Batman is the one left laughing
>implied
I'm not sure if it's "implied" or not but Batman no longer strangles the Joker. If it's "implied" then I didn't catch it. All I know is he doesn't 'actually' strangle him anymore. (Mandela Effect)
>Batman kills Joker
>no one ever talks about that in-universe
When the frick will you stop being a moron? What other crazy theory you belive in, mhm?
It was never meant to be mainline canon was it? I may be mistaken though
In the original script it was never stated that he strangled him, it just said that the police was coming and that was the end of it.
You are purposely skewing the point of the ending.
The ending is specifically vague so you don't know whether they're laughing together, and it's back to the Status Quo or if Joker finally pushed Batman too far, and that's the end of their ongoing personal battle.
That was the whole point of the story. For Joker to ask these questions and it leave us questioning the ending and the different outlooks one could have in that scenario without there being an actual right ending.
If you believe Batman strangled him, that's a (mostly) valid interpretation to the story but it's not the only other one, purposely.
However, a few of the later comics do reference events in the Killing Joke, so obviously Batman DIDN'T kill him, but that's getting into the meta of creating singular stories in ongoing media and how that may muddy a work's intent.
Without resorting to silence and using the same ending as the comic, with the visual indicators of potentially shared laughter, it was never going to be able to accomplish a vague ending, unless it was more on the nose, but the two options are
>It cuts to black after the two start lauging and Batman reaches towards the Joker
But, that implied movement would likely suggest the strangulation more than him leaning on the Joker to steady himself laughing to the audience and that's not what DC wants Batman to be, so it'd be bad for that to be the last thought audiences have of him when the movie ends.
Even the script here leaves it vague. It states the author believes 'they'll kill each other eventually' but nothing more. It could be after that 'enjoying a rare moment of contact' or years later, and it doesn't change the point the comic is trying to make about the relationship and personal history between Batman and the Joker.
I have to say that the idea that Batman kills Joker here is fricking stupid. It undermines how the whole comic disproves Joker's "one bad day" idea by proving it instead, for one thing.
It works much better as they mutually laugh through realizing in a rare moment of self-awareness that both of them are pretty much crazy, in it together, and will go on and on that way and it can only end in disaster (if it was allowed to ever end). The idea Batman strangles him instead of self-reflective laughter makes for a shittier stories and seems like one of those fan theories hyped up for edginess and bwing shocking (which is most of them) but that makes the artwork a lot worse.
It's not the most baseless or disproven frankly popular fan theory I've heard but I think it really takes away from TKJ.
People end up believing that (and that Joker rapes Barbara) and then call the comic shit.
There's also the unreliable flahsbacks.
>flahsbacks
*flashbacks
>Even the script here leaves it vague
No writer is ever going to be vague with his artist. With the reader, sure, but not the person actually drawing the story. Bolland drew what Moore wrote.
Yeah this doesn't tell the artist to draw a vague ending that could suggest Batman kills Joker, which is what the writer would HAVE to do if that was intended.
I call bullshit on this "theory."
>Even the script here leaves it vague
No it doesn't. It leaves it entirely as vague as whether or not both Joker and Batman should be barefoot for this scene.
Killing Joke was originally written as a one off/elseworlds wasn't it? Only when it was incredibly well received they decided to actually start acknowledging it in continuity later?
This is clearly an implied strangulation.
>The titular killing joke is about a nuthouse patient believing the one escaping will turn off the light and kill him
>The story ends with batman laying hands on joke, a laugh stopping and the light going out.
Surely this is Bruce offering to help Joker, who turns it down as an impossibility. Then Bruce realizes he has to kill joker before the police arrive and turn himself in to arkham as a murderer himself. As justice for what happened to Babs and Gordo.
Stupid as frick.
No matter how I look at it, I just don't see it as Batman killing Joker here. He's very clearly grabbing Joker by his shoulders, not his neck. He's restraining him for the police that are driving up, and Joker's going to go right back to Arkham Asylum. Which means that Batman did things "by the book" as Commissioner Gordon wanted, and he further disproved Joker's "one bad day" theory.
Batman and joker piss themselves out of laughter. That's how I interpreted the first time I read it anyway.
Best interpretation ITT
Gordon suddenly appears and rapes Joker in the ass. That's what Gordon's One Bad Day did to him.
For the longest time I genuinely didn't know that batman killed the joker at the end, I thought they just laughed together and that was it, like they were sort of accepting that this is just how it was for the two of them
Right, Alan Moore's kind of a moron, even if J Man crippled and raped Barbara, he killed Jason prior to this quite some time ago, why would Batman kill him now over this instead of I don't know, when he killed his adopted son? I can only assume this is Moore's leftist brainrot assuming Moore did this intentionally instead of as a "Fade away with no intended effect" because to them rape is worse than murder, and it's actually better to kill than rape women. It's why I think making the story canon and showing Batman DIDN'T kill Joker here is actually the best thing to do.
didn't he say that joker didn't rape Barbara? Also i do kind of agree that not having him kill the joker is a better ending, especially with gordon's faith in batman, just telling him to bring him in by the books. I get why people would disagree, but I don't know.
Right, that's even worse if Batman proceeds to kill him for crippling someone after allowing him to kill his son, just crippling.
I understand why people think the killing ending works to some extent, the idea that Batman realizes that by letting the Joker get away, people who want to do things by the book like Gordon will continue to suffer, but I still feel like it doesn't make too much sense in the context of his character. I kind of prefer it as a singular, humanizing moment between Joker and Batman, as well as Batman just flat out reaching out to the Joker as the one thing he hadn't tried before.
>even if J Man crippled and raped Barbara, he killed Jason prior to this quite some time ago,
He shot Babs first. In Death in the Family they even talk about how the Joker had only recently shot Babs too, and she's in the wheelchair at the funeral.
While Joker had already been a killer, a lot of his shown kills since the 70's had been other criminals. So there was still a shock factor.
>shitty ignorant outrage-fueled take
Yeah it's not like the script is publicly avaikable online and we can look it up to know for sure whether Moore put any mentions of Batman killing Joker in there OH WAIT IT IS AND HE FRICKING DIDN'T and you're just looking for reasons to get upset over.
Batman was going to kill The Joker when he killed Jason but because Joker became the ambassador of Iran Superman had to calm Batman down because you can't kill an ambassador of Iran
Batman did not kill him for revenge, he killed him because he realized that he was just as crazy as him for thinking he could save him, it is Batman accepting reality by killing the Joker.
Batman did not kill the Joker.
>For the longest time I genuinely didn't know that batman killed the joker at the end, I thought they just laughed together and that was it, like they were sort of accepting that this is just how it was for the two of them
Batman doesn't kill the Joker at the end. Your original interpretation was correct.
The only reason anyone thinks Batman kills the Joker at the end of this story is because Grant Morrison claimed in an interview that this was the intent. But Morrison has absolutely no insight into Moore's creative process or intentions - Moore has made it clear that he despises Morrison and has had as little to do with him as possible. The script for the last page of Killing Joke makes absolutely no reference to Batman murdering the Joker, so Morrison's interpretation is completely wrong.
Ah, I wasn't aware of that. I don't have a lot of context behind the comic's creation itself, but I do prefer the ending without the Joker being killed.
>Moore has made it clear that he despises
Does this wrinkle-wizard homosexual like anything?
He did like Kevin O'Neill enough to dedicate a poem to him when he died
Batman and Joker laugh their balls off, a rare moment in their already crazy lives.
The story of Joker escaping and them fighting, leading to Joker's arrest, repeats.
He likes more things than most Cinemaphile users.
Morrison got a lot of things "over" Moore, which led to Moore calling him "herpes-like". Apparently, Morrison has been a thorn in Moore's side since the 80s.
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>He likes more things than most Cinemaphile users
That's like being the tallest gnome in the garden. Even if it's accurate, it's not impressive
Sure, but the complaint is coming from Cinemaphile.
Plus morrison is a fricking schizo that basically believes in the same dimensional merge shit as chris chan
>The only reason anyone thinks Batman kills the Joker at the end of this story is because Grant Morrison claimed in an interview that this was the intent
I have read no Morrison interviews and have rarely discussed the comic with others and I believe it was a deliberately ambiguous moment that leaves that possibility open so what you just said is actually incredibly dumb and I think you should probably do something about the fact that you think so little of others capability to assess and form opinions on their own because that's just wildly arrogant for someone who jusf openly said something incredibly dumb.
Your belief is completely incorrect.
Joker stops laughing when he sees how creepy it is that Batman is laughing.
It's kinda weird that Morrison was the one to popularize the idea of Batman killing the Joker at the end, and on a Kevin Smith podcast of all places.
That had been a popular idea for at least a decade before. Ever since we knew Moore didn't intend for it to be canon.
Proof? I don't recall seeing it until after the Morrison interview.
So here's the thing, Comic Book Resources nuked their forum, Toonzone is dead, other forums are gone as well. Only real archive(since archive.org didn't keep these) is Something Awful's comic board..but I don't have a membership and it's another 10 bux for the archive access.
However, I was able to find this usenet discussion from 1992
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.comics.misc/c/ViNunLNrbpg/m/EPeOiH3s2SsJ
Off-topic, but what was Spider-man online fan presence at the time like? I tried to search geocities archives, and it seems like X men had actual active fan base that produced content and had interactions with each other, Spider-man only has info&trivia pages for him there.
That was Morrison posting. He plays the long game.
I've read this back when I was seven and apparently it's just the two of them laughing.
In the movie only Batman keeps on laughing near the end but that's just an adaptation.
Joker shows Batman the reason why he's so very popular with the Arkham guards and staff.
No, but seriously, why do people want to think Batman killed the Joker when the story was about not having "one bad day", so to speak? The story made it a point that Joker was wrong and that having one bad day won't turn you into a monster like he did. Gordon wanted Joker's arrest by the book, he didn't need an extrajudicial execution.
Batman turns the light off when Joker is half way across.
Barbara strips naked but Batman is gay so he gets mad and tracks down the Joker and they have gay sex.
Also Gordon is not gay that's his daughter man what the frick is wrong with you
>Barbara strips naked but Batman is gay so he gets mad and tracks down the Joker and they have gay sex.
Ah a case of ass madness.
Gotta say Morrison really got one over on Moore in their feud with this "Batman killed the Joker in Killing Joke" thing. Somehow this has become the most widely-known "fact" about the book despite being complete bullshit that Morrison just made up.
>about the book despite being complete bullshit that Morrison just made up.
Morrison just ran with a long running fan theory.
Doesn't he and Batman hug or something? Idk it's been a while.
joker ran off
Everyone has a good laugh about it all and just goes home afterwards
>hahahahaha
>that was funny joker, let’s go home
imagine in the batman the killing joke film where barbara gordon batgirl as a boy named bart gordon and batman bruce wayne is named brittney wayne of a female and its gonna be batboy/batgirl x batwoman/batman and if the film actually had a sex scene fully uncensored and unfiltered of them actually being shown doing intercourse
>Caught in a dead end, the Joker breaks the night's silence with a chilling cackle. "So whatcha gonna do, Batman?" he says, as he turns around to face his pursuer "...Kill me?"
>"No," says Batman in his raspiest voice, filled with contempt as the Joker's grin widens.
>"But I'll do this." The caped figure straightens, menacingly. "Bend over, Joker."
>"What?!" says the villain, his laughter suddenly cracked by fear. "W-what do you-"
>But Batman is now close, and he slams the Joker face first against the Batmobile. A hollow thud echoes in the bare alleyway, dollar bills from a toppled suitcase swept away by the wind like dry leaves.
>"It's time for you to feel..." Batman says, with a cold, hard squint, "the Baton of justice!"
I'm honestly waiting for the day where Batman finally marries Joker.
bring back the cheesy cape plots.
Batman realizes what Joker meant.
A crazy person can not save another crazy person.
Batman laughs, realizing that he is right and Joker is beyond salvation.
he strangles him to death.
The End.
Joker releases nerve gas while he tells the joke, causing Batman to laugh.
they jerk each other off
That sounds kinda gay.
He laughs at a joke
Batman is a fricking moron. Everything he does always comes off as idiotic.