No. Hell makes absolutely no logical sense >omnipotent, all powerful God knows exactly what you will do before he creates you >punishes you for ETERNITY for things he knew of in advance and could have easily prevented
Please explain the free will of an infant who was born with missing limbs, blindness, deafness, deformities, mental moronation, etc.? All that happens in utero. They had no free will or choice in the matter. Why worship such a sadistic god?
It's not as bad as you think it is.
It's going to happen to you too.
You have free will, but are predestined too. You're not going to be president. You may be a little better than your parents but not much.
You see a deformed mass of parts because your view of the world is twisted.
A normal person would see people in need of care, and nice people leaving foolish pursuits to build much to provide that care.
If God only did good things then you would just love God for the good things he gives you. When you love god through the evil things then it makes way for redemption
It's not as bad as you think it is.
It's going to happen to you too.
You have free will, but are predestined too. You're not going to be president. You may be a little better than your parents but not much.
You see a deformed mass of parts because your view of the world is twisted.
A normal person would see people in need of care, and nice people leaving foolish pursuits to build much to provide that care.
>You have free will, but are predestined too
Then you don't have free will. >hurr durr it's different for god
Congrats, you just said the entire bible is subjective and therefore useless.
>sadistic
How did you come to that conclusion from what I posted? Weird
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Your god allows for evil to happen, therefore he's sadistic. When you have absolute power to make sure evil doesn't happen, but don't, you're sadistic and evil yourself.
10 months ago
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Like I said. If God only allowed for good things to happen then people would turn on him the moment anything wrong happened. Spoiled children don’t truly appreciate their parents.
10 months ago
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Again, you just admitted that your god is sadistic and evil. You just refuse to accept that. Then agian, "religious" people always refuse to accept the truth.
10 months ago
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Reddit is over there --> take your fedora with you
10 months ago
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Not an argument. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Now be a good christisraelite lover and reply to me when I'll never see it. Don't forget to pray to your evil and sadistic god.
10 months ago
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That wasn’t even the same anon. Your first day here from reddit, bud?
10 months ago
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zhang didn't get his fried dog today
10 months ago
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This is basically the reason so many christgays shamelessly post here nowadays. "Atheism is le reddit hur hur"
Be that as it may, Christianity is something you're supposed to grow out of once you're old enough to know better. It doesn't make sense and you know it.
Free will of predetermined choices, the paths are all layed out, you choose which one out of the multiple variations of pathways you go down or dont go down.
So God doesn't know everything that I'll do? How can he be all powerful and all knowing
The punishment is being removed from God's love. Removing a fish from the safety of it's tank is the example that worked for me
Again, God KNEW all of my actions before I was even created, why am I being punished at all for something he could've prevented. It's like writing a computer program, watching it perform it's function EXACTLY as you programmed it, and then deleting it because "it wasn't good enough" despite doing exactly what you knew it was going to before you started it
Western religion started with star gazers on the shores of Ancient Ionia. They wanted to bring the ephemeral immutable nous above to the mud below.
It's possible for mud to toil and ball up for creation on it's own, independent of the sky above.
Scientific models are very crude. They are very incomplete. The components of human neurology are more numerous than the amount of cosmic entities of the entire universe. They act across chemical potentials, not physical connections. A mind and a human personality are about as complex as nature gets, and that's with a very basic model that would be compounded greatly for perfect accuracy.
It's possible that gets all twisted up, and creatures from the mud arise from it, completely devoid of all that's good in our world.
Psychosis and violent criminal behavior overlaps. It's not illness they are medicating, but violent evil behavior.
The power of religious symbols and traditions work to engage the human mind to overpower these mud creatures, made from nothing but ugliness.
I sort of agree about hell. The word in the OT that's most often translated as hell is actually Sheol, which means something like the underworld, but can also be interpreted as something like the tomb, or the grave. And in the NT, Gehenna was a literal place where junk and dead bodies were burnt. So not a place of punishment, but a place of annihilation. We all have the potential for eternal life, but most won't achieve it and will die like dogs, their soul/consciousness annihilated at death.
But that has nothing to do with OP's question about the existence of demons. Yes, obviously they exist. Any fricking moron can see that.
I can agree with death being total annihilation of consciousness. But to me, that's actually what I crave. I look forward to death, because then I can finally let go. I don't much care about heaven. The people who I live with are all that matter, and when they're gone, they're gone. Life is transient, then it's over, and you get turned into other stuff. Nothing bad I think. I don't mind being tree and insect food
You live in a superdeterministic universe. You are a prisoner and Earth is your jail. Think of your life as a rollercoaster on rails. You are meant to suffer.
God does not punish you. You are punishing yourself.
It's not God condemning you to Hell. It's you not accepting God that you are condemning yourself to Hell.
God will not force you to accept you, you will have to do that yourself - and if you will, God will save you.
christianity and demons are pysops. In core, christianity, especially since like 1900+ its not white religion. The christianity was inflirtated. White race/White population should get back to Paganism, its 100 % white religions and beliefs. European folklore, and paganism has much more spiritual power and potential, its actually spiritually by far stronger than christianity, which is weaker and weaker, inflirtated by blacks and latinos, with priests who have 0 faith and doing it only for money.
christianity is literally israeli anti-white religion u delusional moron filled with Blacks and latinos. Its cucked, weak religion with spiritually broken and weak people, so cope seethe.
>question that's been asked for centuries by scientists, religious people and philosophers with no clear answer >"Im gonna ask Cinemaphile, they probably know the truth"
Yes, they do exist. Evil and darkness exist in the real world. Demons do battle with angels all the time. Demons tempt humans, manifest in various ways and even use methods of physical possession to carry out their deeds.
Just like humans, angels have free will and have the choice to either follow God or follow Satan into ruin if they wish. Satan was once one of the most beautiful and powerful angels in Heaven. Lucifer being 'the light bearing' angel who helped souls see the light and bring them closer to God. In the end Satan brought with him a third of the heavenly host which makes up what you call fallen angels or demons who reside here on Earth and in Hell.
There's room for people who are not Christian, but believed Christ will come at some time.
There's no room for evil religions, snake worshipers, heretics, who believe humanity is doomed and contemptible.
Drop your three-in-one polytheism.
Stop the idolatry.
Only and only worship the one true God.
Still too hard for you Christians.
Your religion is effectively dead. I respect it but it has to go to make way for the final word of God.
Not two weeks. Nobody thinks that. It takes time for Allah's wishes to come into fruition. But it will endure and it will prevail. It took centuries i admit. But look at you now. Fat sodomites and old pedophiles represent your religion. See the light before it's only demons around you. Not even considering the cowards who prostrated before liberalism.
10 months ago
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The middle east has no age of consent laws and little boy rape is rampant. Dunno what that libtard rant was about
10 months ago
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>Dunno what that libtard rant was about
Of course you don't. You live in a bubble.
10 months ago
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Away from pedophilia and little bot rape? Yeah I’ll stay in my bubble. :*~~)
10 months ago
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There is a difference which escapes you. The sins which are committed by people in Middle east are not sanctioned by the religious authorities. While in your cases, your religion authorities themselves commit the most unforgivable sins. See it now?
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So is it not pedophilia if there are no age of consent laws? Mohammed’s wife was 9. Pedophillia isn’t an unforgivable sin to mooslims like that is even in the Quran. It’s normal to them
Offshoot of Judaism with bits and pieces of gnosticism/manicheanism included due to proximity
Pretty weird that cases of alleged demonic posession are a phenomenon exclusively among followers of devout religious denominations that believe in them like Catholics. You'd think that the protestant denominations that don't believe in demonic posession would be overflowing with posession cases left and right rather than reporting jack shit if it was real. It's extremely fanatical people following a handful of more superstitious and hysterical denominations who are always getting possessed while other Christians laugh at them. Really makes you think.
Possession is a culture specific mental disorder, see also voodoo and santeria for examples of postive beneficial spirit possession
>There were a gorillion religions and now we've narrowed it down to like 5, and 3 of those are different interpretations of the same God. Checkmate
As an atheist I will say that this argument actually HELPS the religious.
Bros... when we die does it really just go all black and then that's it? What was the whole point of this life? Why does the universe even exist? Why do we experience sentience in this one particular form on this specific planet? It's all so random and impossible it blows my mind
Pretty weird that cases of alleged demonic posession are a phenomenon exclusively among followers of devout religious denominations that believe in them like Catholics. You'd think that the protestant denominations that don't believe in demonic posession would be overflowing with posession cases left and right rather than reporting jack shit if it was real. It's extremely fanatical people following a handful of more superstitious and hysterical denominations who are always getting possessed while other Christians laugh at them. Really makes you think.
Unlikely, even if you take to Christianity. You have to take a lot of longbow shots to discern a Dante or Milton-esque Hell from the Bible. People also don't become angels in Heaven.
The truth you have to accept is that nobody knows whats going on or what reality even is. That’s the truth we all have to accept. The stuff you are referring to is all dreamed up by humans, and therefore probably not real
Maybe there is more beyond death. Maybe there is an everlasting battle between good and evil. And we are just in the middle of the power struggle. Honestly, who knows.
Satan and demons are real in our minds and that's just as real as everything else.
People in the old days weren't stupid, most of them didn't think demons were literal flesh and blood creatures like you and me, they're symbols representing something. Our feelings and thoughts manifest themselves in different ways. We created stuff like trolls, demons and gargoyles to give our evil thoughts shape so that we can better fight them. But focusing too much on these symbols and shapes may also bring ill fortune, since you're essentially making the evil materialize. This is why so many cultures have a stigma against talking about evil things. This can still be seen in pop culture to this day (Don't speak of Mordor or black riders at nighttime, don't say Voldemort's name etc)
It's kinda crazy when you realize that many demons are just the other gods of the Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh is the one we all know and love, but frickers like Baal, Dagon, Astarte, etc are from the same time and place.
Holy shit I haven't seen this video in years. I always wondered why the guy didn't immediately react when she was holding his neck. You would think that would warrant a reflex of get the frick off me b***h
No, because God is infinite. Logically speaking, there is no space or dimension for Hell or its creatures to exist.
That said, things look different here now, and humans do evil shit, and suffer its consequences, and they can't explain why/how it happens, so we create the concept of Hell or Demon's to cope with it. But in truth, there is no such thing.
No. Hell makes absolutely no logical sense
>omnipotent, all powerful God knows exactly what you will do before he creates you
>punishes you for ETERNITY for things he knew of in advance and could have easily prevented
Free will. You have free will.
Please explain the free will of an infant who was born with missing limbs, blindness, deafness, deformities, mental moronation, etc.? All that happens in utero. They had no free will or choice in the matter. Why worship such a sadistic god?
It's not as bad as you think it is.
It's going to happen to you too.
You have free will, but are predestined too. You're not going to be president. You may be a little better than your parents but not much.
You see a deformed mass of parts because your view of the world is twisted.
A normal person would see people in need of care, and nice people leaving foolish pursuits to build much to provide that care.
If God only did good things then you would just love God for the good things he gives you. When you love god through the evil things then it makes way for redemption
So your god is sadistic, got it.
>You have free will, but are predestined too
Then you don't have free will.
>hurr durr it's different for god
Congrats, you just said the entire bible is subjective and therefore useless.
>sadistic
How did you come to that conclusion from what I posted? Weird
Your god allows for evil to happen, therefore he's sadistic. When you have absolute power to make sure evil doesn't happen, but don't, you're sadistic and evil yourself.
Like I said. If God only allowed for good things to happen then people would turn on him the moment anything wrong happened. Spoiled children don’t truly appreciate their parents.
Again, you just admitted that your god is sadistic and evil. You just refuse to accept that. Then agian, "religious" people always refuse to accept the truth.
Reddit is over there --> take your fedora with you
Not an argument. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Now be a good christisraelite lover and reply to me when I'll never see it. Don't forget to pray to your evil and sadistic god.
That wasn’t even the same anon. Your first day here from reddit, bud?
zhang didn't get his fried dog today
This is basically the reason so many christgays shamelessly post here nowadays. "Atheism is le reddit hur hur"
Be that as it may, Christianity is something you're supposed to grow out of once you're old enough to know better. It doesn't make sense and you know it.
it prolly said nword in previous life
>this idiot cant contemplate how the presence of sin perverts literally everything under the sun because of the fall of man
Free will of predetermined choices, the paths are all layed out, you choose which one out of the multiple variations of pathways you go down or dont go down.
So God doesn't know everything that I'll do? How can he be all powerful and all knowing
Again, God KNEW all of my actions before I was even created, why am I being punished at all for something he could've prevented. It's like writing a computer program, watching it perform it's function EXACTLY as you programmed it, and then deleting it because "it wasn't good enough" despite doing exactly what you knew it was going to before you started it
How is that possible when God already knows what choice you will make?
The punishment is being removed from God's love. Removing a fish from the safety of it's tank is the example that worked for me
Not in a literal sense, but whenever a man decides to commit an evil act, like rape or robbery or racism, that's Satan being there
racism is not evil
God exists in medias res.
Western religion started with star gazers on the shores of Ancient Ionia. They wanted to bring the ephemeral immutable nous above to the mud below.
It's possible for mud to toil and ball up for creation on it's own, independent of the sky above.
Scientific models are very crude. They are very incomplete. The components of human neurology are more numerous than the amount of cosmic entities of the entire universe. They act across chemical potentials, not physical connections. A mind and a human personality are about as complex as nature gets, and that's with a very basic model that would be compounded greatly for perfect accuracy.
It's possible that gets all twisted up, and creatures from the mud arise from it, completely devoid of all that's good in our world.
Psychosis and violent criminal behavior overlaps. It's not illness they are medicating, but violent evil behavior.
The power of religious symbols and traditions work to engage the human mind to overpower these mud creatures, made from nothing but ugliness.
I sort of agree about hell. The word in the OT that's most often translated as hell is actually Sheol, which means something like the underworld, but can also be interpreted as something like the tomb, or the grave. And in the NT, Gehenna was a literal place where junk and dead bodies were burnt. So not a place of punishment, but a place of annihilation. We all have the potential for eternal life, but most won't achieve it and will die like dogs, their soul/consciousness annihilated at death.
But that has nothing to do with OP's question about the existence of demons. Yes, obviously they exist. Any fricking moron can see that.
I can agree with death being total annihilation of consciousness. But to me, that's actually what I crave. I look forward to death, because then I can finally let go. I don't much care about heaven. The people who I live with are all that matter, and when they're gone, they're gone. Life is transient, then it's over, and you get turned into other stuff. Nothing bad I think. I don't mind being tree and insect food
You live in a superdeterministic universe. You are a prisoner and Earth is your jail. Think of your life as a rollercoaster on rails. You are meant to suffer.
God does not punish you. You are punishing yourself.
It's not God condemning you to Hell. It's you not accepting God that you are condemning yourself to Hell.
God will not force you to accept you, you will have to do that yourself - and if you will, God will save you.
If God is all powerful he can do whatever he fricking wants and calls it good. He doesn't have to be logical
Just look at America right now
Yes
idk, ask your aunt when i have her in pretzel position
>pretzel position
Virgin and underage spotted
>Do Satan and demons actually exist?
Yes
christianity and demons are pysops. In core, christianity, especially since like 1900+ its not white religion. The christianity was inflirtated. White race/White population should get back to Paganism, its 100 % white religions and beliefs. European folklore, and paganism has much more spiritual power and potential, its actually spiritually by far stronger than christianity, which is weaker and weaker, inflirtated by blacks and latinos, with priests who have 0 faith and doing it only for money.
Paganism and every world religion has demons too, the demon in The Exorcist is literally from Babylonian mythology
You are an amerimutt with a non-white surname who worships a israelite
And you are an ESL lol
Learn to speak English before posting on an American website
We're typing english, not speaking it
Lmao what a moronic israelite lover
frick off amerimutt, go back to your fast food slophole
christianity is literally israeli anti-white religion u delusional moron filled with Blacks and latinos. Its cucked, weak religion with spiritually broken and weak people, so cope seethe.
Paganism is 100 % white.
Go back to Twitter queer
just kys already Varg.
>question that's been asked for centuries by scientists, religious people and philosophers with no clear answer
>"Im gonna ask Cinemaphile, they probably know the truth"
What kind of moronic thread is this
Yes, they do exist. Evil and darkness exist in the real world. Demons do battle with angels all the time. Demons tempt humans, manifest in various ways and even use methods of physical possession to carry out their deeds.
Just like humans, angels have free will and have the choice to either follow God or follow Satan into ruin if they wish. Satan was once one of the most beautiful and powerful angels in Heaven. Lucifer being 'the light bearing' angel who helped souls see the light and bring them closer to God. In the end Satan brought with him a third of the heavenly host which makes up what you call fallen angels or demons who reside here on Earth and in Hell.
Satan and demons exist. But God doesn't.
Plot twist: God and Satan are the same guy with a split personality
>there are like 1500 religions with tons of gods...but only mine is real!
LMAO
There's room for people who are not Christian, but believed Christ will come at some time.
There's no room for evil religions, snake worshipers, heretics, who believe humanity is doomed and contemptible.
You're correct. Islam is the way. Inshaallah the Christians here will see the error of their ways.
I'm not even religious and I make my gf ride in the backseat
Islam is a death cult offshoot of Christianity. Literally recognizes Jesus as the prophet and messenger of God.
Drop your three-in-one polytheism.
Stop the idolatry.
Only and only worship the one true God.
Still too hard for you Christians.
Your religion is effectively dead. I respect it but it has to go to make way for the final word of God.
>Christianity is dying any day now. In two weeks exactly
Every thread, Ahmed
Not two weeks. Nobody thinks that. It takes time for Allah's wishes to come into fruition. But it will endure and it will prevail. It took centuries i admit. But look at you now. Fat sodomites and old pedophiles represent your religion. See the light before it's only demons around you. Not even considering the cowards who prostrated before liberalism.
The middle east has no age of consent laws and little boy rape is rampant. Dunno what that libtard rant was about
>Dunno what that libtard rant was about
Of course you don't. You live in a bubble.
Away from pedophilia and little bot rape? Yeah I’ll stay in my bubble. :*~~)
There is a difference which escapes you. The sins which are committed by people in Middle east are not sanctioned by the religious authorities. While in your cases, your religion authorities themselves commit the most unforgivable sins. See it now?
So is it not pedophilia if there are no age of consent laws? Mohammed’s wife was 9. Pedophillia isn’t an unforgivable sin to mooslims like that is even in the Quran. It’s normal to them
Muslims all come from the dessert because it's practice for that eternity in hell
Offshoot of Judaism with bits and pieces of gnosticism/manicheanism included due to proximity
Possession is a culture specific mental disorder, see also voodoo and santeria for examples of postive beneficial spirit possession
>There were a gorillion religions and now we've narrowed it down to like 5, and 3 of those are different interpretations of the same God. Checkmate
As an atheist I will say that this argument actually HELPS the religious.
Yes and they're registered democrats
>OP has never seen the shadow creature slowly slide across the ceiling while laying in bed at night.
NGMI
Bros... when we die does it really just go all black and then that's it? What was the whole point of this life? Why does the universe even exist? Why do we experience sentience in this one particular form on this specific planet? It's all so random and impossible it blows my mind
Her Demon is legit and was Pazuzu not Satan
Pretty weird that cases of alleged demonic posession are a phenomenon exclusively among followers of devout religious denominations that believe in them like Catholics. You'd think that the protestant denominations that don't believe in demonic posession would be overflowing with posession cases left and right rather than reporting jack shit if it was real. It's extremely fanatical people following a handful of more superstitious and hysterical denominations who are always getting possessed while other Christians laugh at them. Really makes you think.
Unlikely, even if you take to Christianity. You have to take a lot of longbow shots to discern a Dante or Milton-esque Hell from the Bible. People also don't become angels in Heaven.
Of course they do, he's me.
The truth you have to accept is that nobody knows whats going on or what reality even is. That’s the truth we all have to accept. The stuff you are referring to is all dreamed up by humans, and therefore probably not real
Werner Herzog once interviewed a woman who genuinely believed that a true exorcism was filmed for the movie. She had no idea that effects were used.
Maybe there is more beyond death. Maybe there is an everlasting battle between good and evil. And we are just in the middle of the power struggle. Honestly, who knows.
There’s only God and the false God
Pretty sure I'm real.
All abrahamics are Satan(Saturn) worshippers, which is why they all rape and kill little children in their own way
Despite all my bullshit and moronicness I still believe god loves me
How come nobody in this thread is talking about all the cursed production issues and deaths that occurred on the set of The Exorcist
Maybe because it's already been debunked? And poltergeist had worse
How has it been debunked? Also how was the poltergeist worse?
The little girl and the mom from poltergeist both died in horrific violent ways, Linda Blair and Ellen Burstyn were just fine
I think the Exorcist curse is more errie. Two random deaths doesn't really mean anything.
Yes, they are called israelites.
How do you summon a succubus? Asking for a friend
>Call the Expert because the priest cant handle the demon
>He barely does anything then just dies
When you look at porn and abuse yourself with your hand, that's Satan
Why does Satan touch me like once a day? Why does he force me to watch porn featuring black women?
What does he gain from making me suffer so?
Is that why I enjoy interracial cuckolding BMWF porn?
Satan and demons are real in our minds and that's just as real as everything else.
People in the old days weren't stupid, most of them didn't think demons were literal flesh and blood creatures like you and me, they're symbols representing something. Our feelings and thoughts manifest themselves in different ways. We created stuff like trolls, demons and gargoyles to give our evil thoughts shape so that we can better fight them. But focusing too much on these symbols and shapes may also bring ill fortune, since you're essentially making the evil materialize. This is why so many cultures have a stigma against talking about evil things. This can still be seen in pop culture to this day (Don't speak of Mordor or black riders at nighttime, don't say Voldemort's name etc)
>Speak of the devil, and he shall appear.
No one ever believed demons were flesh and blood, the word is 'incorporeal'
It's kinda crazy when you realize that many demons are just the other gods of the Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh is the one we all know and love, but frickers like Baal, Dagon, Astarte, etc are from the same time and place.
You're so close to getting it.
yeah they're in charge now
we're in hell
yes, I have proof
i could frick fix her
Holy shit I haven't seen this video in years. I always wondered why the guy didn't immediately react when she was holding his neck. You would think that would warrant a reflex of get the frick off me b***h
>Do Satan and demons actually exist?
No, because God is infinite. Logically speaking, there is no space or dimension for Hell or its creatures to exist.
That said, things look different here now, and humans do evil shit, and suffer its consequences, and they can't explain why/how it happens, so we create the concept of Hell or Demon's to cope with it. But in truth, there is no such thing.
There are evil spiritual forces without a doubt that do exist.
Of course, look at the U.S, the land of NPCs and degenerates, the modern Sodom and G.