Do Thing creatures know they're Thing creatures?
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yes
Yeah
Yes. That is how we know Childs was the Thing in the end. Childs knew the kerosene in the whiskey bottle MacReady passed to him wouldn't kill him so he drank it.
We know he's not a thing because of the sequel which confirmed he's not.
Which sequel? Game has him dead and uninfected, comic has his as The Thing
Combine what you just wrote with what you replied to for your answer.
I meant if there was another sequel source
>sequel
Filtered
Not canon
>Not canon
Go tell Carpenter that his sanctioned sequel is not canon you dumb frick.
Give me his whatsapp and I will.
Dial 8
Dialate is not a word, chud.
Carpenter contradicted himself every single time he spoke about the time you brainless moron
People this dumb need to be culled
kek fricking moron
fricking kek it's because he doesnt know what kerosine or whisky tastes like that Mac knew who it was
Yes, because why else would they do things like sabotage the blood supply. The most you can say is that they're sleeper agents, and the Thing can take control over the body whenever it wants, or leave the human in auto-pilot
I think the movie seems to indicate it's more like this.
The perfect copy person goes on probably from its last memories before being assimilated. The Thing keeps the person going on functioning on their normal brain personality, but when threatened the survival instincts take over. Think of it on the blood cell level. The cells basically just mimic exact cell function until in a scenario where they are either threatened or have an opportunity to assimilate something else.
As well, the Thing people seems to be completely surprised when Thing stuff bursts out of them. But then on the other hand we see Wilford Brimley Thing going around doing Thing stuff on his own. To me the Thing basically lets the copied person brain and cells run on functional autopilot.
This is what I always thought was the case- it just lets Palmer.exe run in the foreground.
Good post
Nah. The Thing retains all memories from assimilated creatures. That is how it tried to build a space ship. Assimilated people are merely the Thing wearing the assimilated person's personality the same way it wears their skin.
no, space ship thing was an alien that was assimilated trying to rebuild it's ship so thing could get back to alien's civilization.
when that failed, thing assumed control.
But it wasn't an assimiliated alien body, it was the doctor guy. Why would he take on the psyche of an assimilated alien?
Ok, but if every single person on earth became and the thing, then what difference does it make?
Extinction
But they would be functionally humans going on doing human things.
Imagine being this stupid. Holy frick.
>can't answer the question
Sounds like you're the moron here
It's the same question as if you cloned yourself and then killed yourself. Is your clone still you? Some would say yes, some would say no.
>it's the same as a cloned human
>if it pretends to be human that means it is indeed 100% human
This is how you sound. Like a moron.
But that's what it functionally is, moron. Try paying attention to the movie next time?
You replied to a post saying that humans would go extinct by counter-arguing that humans would live on just because Thing 'acts' human enough while kinda looking like humans. If someone puts on a horse costume and stands on all fours does your dumbass think that person actually became a horse? Do you think they can mate with horses and have horse babies? I can't tell if you're being serious or larping as the thing. No, you can't have my body frick you thing.
this is the type of dumb moron who pretends ai is sentient
I'm sorry that simplistic horror movie went over your head. Maybe stick to Ms. Marvel, that's more on your level.
>I'm sorry that simplistic horror movie went over your head. Maybe stick to Ms. Marvel, that's more on your level.
>gets BTFO
>starts sperging about capeshit
Fricking kek
>calling someone dumb is now "BTFO"
>he can't simply engage with the arguments
You must have made a mistake. I looked at your entire post and I'm failing to see an argument?
The Thing assimilates all humans, therefore all ‘humans’ are now The Thing. It doesn’t matter if the assimilated humans are self aware (they are), because physically - objectively - they are no longer natural humans but another species mimicking their biology. They objectively are not human, it is so simple yet you can’t quite grasp it. Now we both know you’re going to respond with some smug “um ackshually” garbage which is why I’m not going to bother reading your response. You are a moron, everyone arguing against you is not. Simple as that, I’m afraid.
You failed to even grasp a basic idea. It literally makes no difference if they are objectively not human.
If I uploaded your conscious to a robot replica of your body, and I did this for every person on earth, while killing all the original people, what difference would it make in the grand scheme of things?
>BUT THEY'RE NOT HUMAN
So what? Who cares? That are functionally identical, which was my original point. I'm sorry you are too fricking dumb to understand basic philosophical questions. Like I said, stick to Marvel movies.
>functionally identical, which was my original point
But they aren't functionally identical. After assimilation, their motivations completely change, as well as their biology
But like I said previously, it serves The Thing to continue to keep society running. Even down to its form; if it can continue to procreate through human intercourse then why would it ever destroy society? It already won.
why would the thing need a cow to eat when it can just assimilate all the biomass into a giant organic katamari?
Because eventually you run out of things to suck up into your giant biomass.
The Thing is highly intelligent, surely it understands the long term implications.
so it just shits out some photosynthesizing limbs or whatever and then goes back to doing whatever it is that a giant hivemind occupying an entire planet spends its time on
But now it's bored. Entertainment sounds good right about now.
There is nothing to suggest the Thing needs entertainment. I can just as easily say the Thing can't get bored, or that it just focuses on making a fleet of starships to assimilate other worlds
If The Thing ever successfully assimilated the world, it would know and could drop the facade. Sure it would make use of existing infrastructure, but there would be no need for the UN, or Hollywood, or advertising agencies, or toy production, or social media, or a million other examples I'm sure you could think of.
>no need for the the UN, or Hollywood, or advertising agencies, or toy production, or social media
So where do I sign up?
You sure about this? Does it need to eat?
What does the thing think? Is it only survival or does it have another purpose?
there is a whole book written from the perspective of the thing. its good.
Does the thing ever think about its wife back home
that b***h is why he left so no
The things wife is probably cucking it with The Stuff
The Big Stuff, if you catch the nature of the meaning of my attempted drifting
The Things wife is probably fricking a Black Thing
The thing's wife is just more of him, he's a giant incel.
What's its motivation then?
It wants you to join the hivemind and live peacefully forever.
Poor Thing.
to make everyone a marxist npc goy
What book? I'm interested.
the one where you remove your cage and plug.
Anon is insane
Probably an AI bot post, just like this one
He means the short story. Anon is dumb as frick.
Its called the things by peter watts. Its good but entirely non canon
the rape it into you one? that one is shit
It's not a book it's just a short story and its motivation is that it's a hivemind and it doesn't realise that 1 human = 1 person.
The original story called Who Goes There (AKA Frozen Hell) some of the characters were the thing but weren't aware because it suited the things purposes.
Yes but they don't seem to be aware of each other
could one thing attack another thing by accident and have an oh shit moment
Probably but it never came up
They are like amoeba so probably.
in the original short story, one helps to kill another to not give itself away.
Wasn't there an Olgaf comic like this?
The closest thing that comes to mind is a maiden who is about to entertain a suitor. She reveals herself, in full arousal, to be a mass of Thing-like-proboscis-appendages. Our Prince Charming is not kinky enough to enjoy this, so he is scared off. The poor maiden is then consoled by her mother (presumably another mutant, like her daughter).
I think it was one where the changing stabs the kind who turns into a changeling on death. Then the guard is also a changing look at the dead king and is like,
>wait, I think I knew that guy
>Wasn't there an Olgaf comic like this?
It's an allegory for israelites originally written by Raimi so the answer is yes.
The makers of the maligned 2011 prequel explicitly explored this idea with the Juliette-Thing. Her pained expression while transforming suggests this angle (they are explicit about it in the commentary track), but the majority of evidence indicates that Things know they're Things.
The original short story suggests otherwise: in addition to all its other voodoo powers, the Thing has another Mary Sue ability: telepathy! Norris-Thing and Palmer-Thing are being pretty chummy with each other when Mac breaks back into the main building. I like to think they were sending a few brain-waves back and forth at each other (and also to Blair-thing and Final Form thing, working furiously outside)
>Juliette-Thing transforming
Am I the only one aroused by that scene
The movie states otherwise. The early scene when they find the burned guy talks about how he knows if he were the only human left the thing would drop pretense and they would all attack him.
This is how you can narrow down the ending as both humans laughing at their mutual fate and death or two things sharing a laugh about their victory.
That's just MacReady theorizing though. While it's very likely that the Things might become overtly hostile if they became the majority, it's not really guaranteed. In the movie the Things are happy to play the long game, and only ever reveal themselves as a last resort. The only time in the movie when a Thing goes Thingmode without it being provoked is when the Dogthing goes all nasty on the other dogs, which I take to mean that the Thing may actually take on the intelligence level of its hosts and isn't as smart about revealing itself. It becomes more cunning the smarter and organism it overtakes. This is actually supported by the cellular level too where at that level it's just going around absorbing without any big need for subterfuge like any cell would. At the dog level it follows doglike drives of escaping danger, finding food, attacking food. At the human level it plays complicated human games of trust and sabotage.
This is also why the remake is stupid. The Thing blows itself up in front of people to try to assimilate them instead of just spitting in their drink.
Dogthing doesn't show any more advanced intelligence than a subconscious drive to feed/assimilate which is no more intelligent than any normal dog or animal predator. It doesn't begun showing conniving intelligence until it starts taking human hosts and then destroys equipment and conceals itself as much as possible, or tries to freeze itself.
>which is no more intelligent than any normal dog or animal predator.
A normal dog or predator would attack the other dogs in its vicinity first before seeking out a human.
There were no other dogs in its vicinity until it was put in the kennel. And it was able to assimilate people through normal dog behaviour like licking faces. In fact now that I think about it the only reason it went aggro in the kennel was because the other dogs clearly realized it was a Thing and its survival instincts kicked in and put it in monster defense mode. That's consistent with Thing behaviour.
Basically Thing subconsciousness is like that toxoplasmosis gandhi shit that hijacks rat brains and makes them want to get eaten by cats without even realizing it.
>other dogs clearly realized it was a Thing
This means that thing copying is imperfect and capable of detection with just ones senses.
>copying is imperfect and capable of detection with just ones senses.
dogs via scent
humans via sight, the Thing cannot replicate scent
>farts are the downfall of the thing
We know Thing copying is imperfect because it can't copy inorganic implants and whatnot like an earring and this does leave it vulnerable to detection. For dogs who knows.
But the movie could just be doing that movie thing where dogs (sometimes other animals) just know something creepy/spooky is around. Sometimes it's scent, but other times they even know when ghosts are around.
In that scene with Bennings, where MacReady states that he knows he isn't one and that if they all were one they would just rush him right there, we KNOW that at least Norris and Palmer are Things, with Blair also possibly being one as well. I like your interpretation of the ending, but I personally feel the former is the better of the two since it's more darkly ironic.
>Carpenter makes not only one of the best horror films of all time but also one of the best thriller films and one of the best sci-fi films
How did he do it?
I doubt it. I think they are closer to Venus fly traps or flowers that look like eyes. They do their thing but don't actually know what their are doing. The thing is just more sophisticated.
This thread is so dumb. Blair made a UFO while he was locked up. Of course they know what they're doing. It's just that their first directive is to fit in. When they're alone or cornered then they act out.
The thing assimilated an aliens in a UFO and it crashed on earth.
AND YOU WOULD KNOW THIS WOUNDN'T YOu???
What does this have to do with Blair building a ship decades later?
>Those digits
Light him up.
The thing retains knowledge of original host. however it lets host do as it will to absolutely avoid detection until the last possible moment.
even if you have all the memories and knowledge of someone you might fail to perform some kinda physical tic coz you don't have the same biology and therefore become easy to detect
Hijacked hands typed this post
I'll light em up boys since nobody's gonna get to it
Childs, get the flamethrower!!
what did that alien look like?
This was made for the prequel, it was supposed to be the ship's pilot
if the thing just wanted to make a UFO to go home why were they freaking out about it making it to the rest of the world
Paranoia is a central motif of the story. It is left open to interpretation that they might have actually overreacted.
how do you overreact to a monster alien that instantly kills everyone around it
It might have fricked off back to its homeworld without killing everyone at the base if they hadn't tried to root it out and kill it.
I don't actually think that's the case, but I think the film intentionally allows you to consider the possibility, contrary to what it tells you earlier about it taking over the world.
It did hide in the Norwegian dog then assimilate the other dogs. It didn't have to do that, but it did, and it intentionally tried to hide and it did assimilate either Norris/Palmer in dog form, so it was acting malicious. It also assimilated Bennings.
>if the thing just wanted to make a UFO to go home
This is never confirmed. One made a UFO because it was locked up while the others were taking out the whole group. You also don't know what would happen if that one in the UFO will be a danger later. The risks for the entire world are way too high.
There's no guarantee it was just going to go home; it very well could have simply escaped to somewhere else and assimilate the entirety of humanity.
it wanted to make a UFO to reach civilization, not to fly off world
Dubs is the thing
I'm not scared
I’m not the thing.
Hey man cool it with the crazy talk
>3030
DIE MONSTER
no, they think they're themselves until they're threatened or need to feed. then if they survive being discovered they continue to try to survive anyway they can with their own personalities intact. pretty interesting darkhorse comic about it
burn it
I'll get him
Good job seymour, yo got em
non canon
the thingy people are functionally dead, it's just that the cell-jacking thing ability allows it to have them basically act like them perfectly whilst carrying out side missions undercover
i didn't say it was "canon" i just though it was an interesting take
It's not though, it's just a lame posession mechanic, that's just half as creepy as the alternative: A hostile alien life form that mimics human behaviour so perfectly at times, that you wouldn't even notice that it assimilated your own mother. It also doesn'T explain why thingified people start to secretely sabotage their companions or why that one guy walked into the cold salad fingers at display.
Sounds like something a thing would say
The Thing seems to have basic survival instinct that comes through the host personality in the form of getting people alone, sabotaging, building UFOs, but I don't think it's conscious of itself.
If the Thing was conscious it would be able to communicate instead of suddenly just roaring and screaming when found out or defending itself. Like why doesn't the Thing just say, "Who guys yeah I took over your friend but it was a defense mechanism I'm on an alien planet you're all scary to me and trying to kill me. I'm sorry your friend is dead but can we just chill for a minute and talk?"
It might not be able to understand speech
That's the point. There's clearly some autonomous remnant of the person left over which is working most of the time an unaware that its being controlled by or is an alien creature until the unwilling defense mechanisms take over.
That's actually a great point, I never considered how it never spoke to anyone. Meta wise I guess it's because it makes it less scary but I don't see why it wouldn't at least once given how many of them they killed
There’s an interesting movie in there where it’s a good Thing that the humans reasonably don’t trust and so they fight anyway
>The Thing seems to have basic survival instinct that comes through the host personality in the form of
> building UFOs
What? Obviously the Thing itself is the one trying to build the UFO because obviously people wouldn't know how to build one.
fuchs wasnt fully transformed when he roared at them, that was alien vocal cords from whatever it was using to hunt him.
The thing displays intelligence in sabotaging the blood and mac's jumpsuit, plus the ufo the generator etc. That doesn't necessarily mean it has a consciousness like a human though it could just have a complex instinct system that pulls out useful alien absorbed cell systems and intelligences like pulling cards out of a deck. The ufo for example could be the base level thing realizing it needed to travel and just slave-minding some cells into alien intelligence so it would build something useful simply because the stimuli induced it.
I think it's a hivemind, it doesn't need to talk to itself and human need for communication is probably alien to it.
yes
According to the comics.
Not canon.
The Thing fans, enjoy.
https://streamable.com/35032v
whats this?
It's not a bomb. Click and watch.
No shit, what is the title of the film in the clip?
Holy shit, I remember the thumbnail to this always being in the recommended on Youtube back in the day.
2011 prequel was bad but
The scene where the thing assimilates with Adam is brutal
Honestly the only thing really bad about it to me was the egregious CGI replacement everyone knows about. The tension building in much of it was pretty good, but the Thing goes full hostile way too fast way too early.
I forget, was the entire movie filmed with props and cgi was painted over? Or where the props made but never used?
>was the entire movie filmed with props and cgi was painted over?
This. The producer thought it looked like an 80s movie which is a bad thing because only boomers like 80s movies.
So then why has there never been a snyder cut type outcry?
why would people want that for a remake of a movie that doesn't need one?
>remake
It's essentially a remake under the guise of being a 'prequel'
others have already said that even if it did come with the real effects, it would still be a crappy movie
I don't know. It brought studio ADI to my attention, they make good shit and are constantly out of work. Nobody really wanted the thing sequel/prequel/remake so nobody really cared. And they made a low budget film to showcase their effects work in a similar vein, I haven't seen it.
Apparently it was test screenings that made the executives order the change in special effects They apparenelty also wanted the introduction to be more of a slow burn and introduce the characters first, but people wanted them to get to the action right away.
It could've been a visual treat if they kept the practical FX, but the story still would've been lacking since they were just copying the 1982 movie.
it was a good movie, but since it's structurally the same movie as 1982 just without the groundbreaking practical effects it pales in comparison
>it was a good movie,
a girl ordering men around kinda ruined it. Instead of manly collective solving a problem we got bunch of scared adult kids that needed to be told what to do by a lady supervisor.
if it went in a more surreal tone by only using norwegian actors speaking norwegian, with subtitles, and retained the original physical props they wanted to use, it could honestly have been just as good as the original.
also no guys i'm not a thing i swear
Does anything know anything or is everything just a theory... a geuss?
Blair figures out how the Thing assimilates, but nobody really knows what its purpose is or if it wants to assimilate the planet or just go home. Impossible to know and that's what makes the story good.
a game theory!
Read "The Things" by Peter Watts, it's The Thing from the point of view of the Thing. Absolute masterpiece.
1. Yes they know. They are constantly scheming and trying to turn everyone against each other.
2. The nice guy act is just an act. The real form is the berserker alien monster form.
3. It is an invasive species and just wants to eat and reproduce. It has no deeper goals than that. In its home planet it is likely in ecological equilibrium with everything else.
*DUM DUM*
…
*DUM DUM*
>Cinemaphile thread actually discussing a film and the ideas within it
it's a good movie everyone genuinely likes and respects
also helps there aren't any women in it
>movie has no women
>no gays
>no browns or blacks
>tv has therefore nothing to talk about but the movie itself
Made me do a thinkin’
Wait I’m moronic, obviously Childs is black and is one of the main character, disregard this part of my post
It's one of them, light it up
There's two black guys in it you frick
>>no gays
>>no browns or blacks
kek lol
Nauls and Childs were arguably two of the mot crucial characters
The Thing (1982) is one of the few films on this board that is universally loved. The LOTR Trilogy is another.
Cope, LoTR is feminist garbage
RotK was disappointing and mediocre, sadly.
Gentleman, there is something you're not considering.
If the thing knew it was the thing, why would it think its a fat guy having a heart attack and let them restrain it then use a defibrillator?
the thing was also suffering from cardiac arrest at the time
Possibly because it was all about making a scene and delaying everyone from doing a blood test on Blair while Thing-Blair was working on his UFO
IT'S BEEN DONE! STOB BEING A BABA BOOEY ABOUT IT
What is this?
accord to google search: a haunted house sequel to the thing at universal studios.
I think the more interesting ending involves either neither Childs or Macready being the Thing, or both of them.
If neither are the thing, then the themes of paranoia and distrust carry through to the conclusion. If both are the Thing, then its a brief window into how the creature thinks and functions.
I agree.
I think MacReady being the thing is interesting too, many elements through the movie hints at it, and if it’s the case, the facts that he fricks up another thing is also interesting (and tells it “frick you too” which is a strange thing to say).
Well, any idea beside “Childs is le thing because he drank le molotov wienertail” is interesting
If Macready was the thing he'd have burst out into a Thing monster when threatened or harmed.
When? Against suspecting humans? Why would he (it)?
Against the other thing? Why again? Killing it makes him above suspicion.
Never noticed how MacReady mysteriously dissapears and then reappears with different clothes and every time he’s confronted about it another thing conveniently spergs out, only for, you guessed it, MacReady to heroically take it out?
Also if Childs is the Thing, he could 1v1 MacReady easily, he has the flamethrower and MacReady has nothing.
Nothing except that bottle that he passes to Childs, which probably contains his DNA, helping him to infect Childs.
Or maybe not, maybe not at all, which is why I love this movie so fricking much.
>When? Against suspecting humans? Why would he (it)?
Because it's shown in the movie that this is an involuntary response. It's the entire basis of the blood test.
MacReady was definitely not a Thing until possibly the very last scene, as he's followed in every scene from the blood test (which proves he wasn't infected) until he blows up the Blair-Thing/Final Form. There's a slight cut between that scene and the final scene where he grabs a bottle of whiskey and slumps down next to the barrel, exhausted as Child's walks up giving a plausible story. He or Childs could be a Thing right at the end scene, but both realize distrust doesn't matter at that point since they're gonna freeze to death soon anyway.
The ingenious thing (heh) about the movie is how the paranoia is projected onto the audience just using normal film techniques; i.e., the editing. Every time there's a jump cut to another scene where we don't explicitly see a character, there's a chance that person has been assimilated, with only the blood test scene proving otherwise who is an isn't a Thing. A great game to play is trying to determine in which scene a person becomes a Thing. Some are obvious (like Bennings and Windows) while others are more difficult (like Palmer and Norris).
Nope. And the evidence is in the movie. Thing creature replicated Norris so accurately including his bad heart (Thing wouldn't know it was a bad heart), resulting in a heart attack, at which point Thing takes the reigns again so to speak.
>Thing wouldn't know it was a bad heart
Why not? If Norris knew he had a bad heart the the Thing knows too.
>resulting in heart attack
The Thing's biology doesn't require circulation of any kind. The Thing was faking the heart attack.
I mean during the initial copying process it's not really aware of the bad heart. It's only interest at that point is becoming an immediate perfect copy. It naturally copies the bad heart. We're talking something that lies dormant and hidden within a perfect copy, including their personality, that is running on like autopilot until that switch is flicked. These copies would have to run on an autopilot routine so as to seem completely genuine to the human beings that want to destroy it
This is correct
This is a mix of midwit and moron
This is a mix of homosexual and Black person.
You got self owned
We've been over this. Read the thread.
>Nope. And the evidence is in the movie. Thing creature replicated Norris so accurately including his bad heart (Thing wouldn't know it was a bad heart), resulting in a heart attack, at which point Thing takes the reigns again so to speak.
I don't think that's entirely the purpose of that scene. The Alien just uses the fake heart attack to create more confusion. That's generally the point, its sowing distrust, confusion and generally finding ways to isolate the group so it can assimilate them one-by-one. The heart attack is a manufactured scenario, since that particular character has never had anything about his health brought up at any point in the movie, nor is their any line pertaining to having any heart problems whatsoever.
I think the Alien generally KNOWS who each clone of itself is, because it functions like a hive mind and has various copies its already aware of at different moments in the film. It doesn't try to show itself unless provoked, cornered or about to be discovered.
If they're replicating organs then they're replicating the human brains aren't they? The Thing's intelligence is distributed among all its cells so maybe some of them are LARPing as if they were a human mind.
Here's my detailed analcyst on the subject:
>Thing people act exactly as the person they were copied from would
>Thing people appear to be either surprised by or unaware of their own Thing properties (heart attack showing surprised discomfort, Thing people looking surprised or alarmed when suddenly bursting into Thing creature horror, Blair making a noose for himself)
>Thing people act as normal people exactly up to the point where self-preservation kicks in at which point they are forced by biological nature to attack
>Thing people will act in the Thing's interests in getting others alone or building ships, sabotaging equipment
>Thing people ONLY break character when not observed, or in a position to attack or defend
It's my contention that Thing people (and all Thing organisms) essentially become a situation where there is a primary organism and an override. Things essentially just allow the host brain to go on as it is until threatened or feeding, at which point Thing instincts kick in. This is why Things never speak english when in Thingmode and instead go straight to shrieking and howling. Like the blood test, they have basically an involuntary violence response they can't control. Each Thing person is literally just like the infected cell, a perfect copy that performs its functions until threatened or feeding.
Also, I'm not convinced Things possess full memory of past organisms. Thing Blair may have simply been building the crude spacecraft from the pictures they took of the mothership out of that innate sense of escape and self-preservation.
So tl;dr, no I don't think the organism that the Thing copies knows it's a thing, I think there's a Thing subconsciousness and instinct that lives within the organism and drives it and overrides the organism's consciousness under specific circumstances.
Exactly. Nail on the head. All the clues are there to understand what's going on.
I think you're mostly right, that when someone is first assimilated, they don't know they're a thing. But their first transformation doesn't need to be when they are surrounded by everyone and being attacked. Palmer was assimilated early, and there's a good case that he's the cause of many of the problems around the camp and infighting between everyone. He likely transformed and assimilated someone else and from then on knew he was a thing, then worked against the team like snatching the keys, destroying the blood and putting the longjohns at MacReady's shack. He then tries to stay in the background, not drawing any attention, when everyone's fighting he's trying to stay out of sight, pretending to be innocently listening to his headphones. But he does chime in sometimes to accuse someone else. In the blood test scene, he knows he has finally run out of options and his face shows it before he starts transforming to escape.
>He likely transformed and assimilated someone else
Can a thing transform and then go back to a previous form?
I'm not convinced.
Yes, they said "when it takes you over, it rips through your clothes." So a thing approaches someone, transforms and makes that person a thing, then goes back to itself and now there are two because otherwise there'd be suspicion.
Not necessarily, we see Blair Thing just shove his hand in the other guy's face so any physical contact is enough.
There are many interesting subtle things about this scene and Carpenter masterfully uses misdirection. As Windows awaits the testing of his blood his whole demeanor is like the Thing waiting to reveal itself but once he's cleared he breathes a sigh of relief. This would indicate Windows himself wondered if possibly the Thing was hidden inside him so I think that's further evidence that Carpenter is demonstrating to the audience how the Thing works, that it can lay dormant within copies who are unaware of their true nature. And throughout the whole scene Palmer just seems absolutely normal up until MacReady announces Palmer's blood test and the camera cuts to that expression. Is that Palmer's "genuine" nonplussed reaction or is the Thing exhibiting a worried reaction through human expression? The latter's more interesting sure. But after he's been revealed he's got this look of consternation, as brief as it is and I wonder if that's the Palmer-copy autopilot trying to grasp what he is at that point? Like I said it's brief, you see the others react and freak out, and then when it cuts back Palmer's facial expression is completely blank like the Thing has taken control of the wheel at that instant. I can't seem to settle on what exactly happened there. It's an incredible scene.
You know I’ve always though that Pampers actually just didn’t like Windows and when he got assimilated those traits just carried over and it’s why he’s basically gunning for him throughout the film,
>40 year anniversary showing at AMC
>say frick it and go after work
>45 minute drive to the theater
>wind up being 10 minutes late due to traffic
>no previews (based), but miss the opening scene
Other than that, the first time I ever saw The Thing in a theatre and it was kino.
Yours looks better than what I saw. When I saw it in Theaters it was blurry and the colors weren't as saturated.
I saw an anon warning us about it, which ironically brought it to my attention that it was even being re-released in theatres in the first place. I took my chances and wasn't disappointed.
I took my father to see it on the big screen and we had the theater to ourselves. It was one of the best nights of my life. I just love hanging out with him while I can.
Saw it with my father and there may have been slight quality issues but not bad enough to not have seen it in theaters.
The Thing isn't running some personality code of its victim, it quite literally absorbs a person's memories and effectively pretends to be them.
You can tell it's working within its own self interest ALL the time. You may say that answer makes less sense, but that is literally what is happening in the movie. The Dog Thing is aware 100% of the time, it's not an actual dog's brain just 90% of the time, and since The Dog Thing has advanced intelligence, The Thing obviously has a genetic intelligence it retains from infection to infection.
I'm pretty stunned how wrong Cinemaphile has got this since you all apparently watch this movie 20 times a year.
Seems like arguing semantics at this point. Yes it's pretending but not in the sense that you or I would pretend to be someone, even if we could absorb someone's memories. the Thing in the shape of a dog in the beginning, apparently it didn't feel the need to run the 'good ole dog' autopilot in the beginning. For humans it was good enough to appear and roughly behave as a dog even though the dog trainer character begins to notice something odd about it. But then its put up with a whole bunch of dogs and it saw its chance to spread copies.
The movie never really showed what would happen if a person just brushed a couple of Thing cells onto another person and then that person was slowly taken over by Thing cells in a Ship of Theseus scenario. I always sort of assumed that's what happened to Blair where maybe someone delivered him tainted food out there which is why at first he's making nooses for himself and warning about infected members of the crew then tunneling into the floor later.
prequel movie showed this - the thing assimilated the guy from the bottom up and merged with brain last - so guy kept asking for help til the thing absorbed brain and then he started screaming as well
The real question is why was there only one Thing on that entire giant mothership?
It's my headcanon that when the Thing successfully integrates all non-Thing entities in its area it then amalgamates all of its Thing biomatter into one big Thing creature. The alien form of the thing that was frozen in the ice is basically a Thing superorganism produced from all the aliens aboard the ship.
Now that's what the prequel should have been about, the aliens on their voyage in their big flying saucer being assimilated by a Thing.
I always figured it was a hitchhiker, not the actual pilot. It assimilates the aliens on the ship mid-flight, all the chaos makes the ship crash, it's stuck until someone digs it out again and still retains memories it got before about flying the ship, etc.
Wasn't there some short story about this subject that won awards?
If there was then someone would've mentioned it by this point.
Here it is
https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
>all biomass is interchangeable.
if the thing really thought this it would go after plants and animals first to build up enough biomass to turn into a world ending behemoth and THEN go after the humans.
the blob smarter than the thing? i don't think so!
I don't know how this won shit. That last line is so hilariously stupid.
>I will have to rape it into them.
Shut up space Black person
In the book, Gary was adamant he couldn't be a Thing, and (seemed) just as surprised as anyone else when his blood tested positive. Every action he took prior was to help the outpost members combat or think of ways to expose the Things.
That's another great point that the film only touches on but the book goes into more detail: that EVERYONE is an unreliable narrator because everyone could be a Thing and ostensibly not even realize it. My money is that it simply acts in whatever it believes to be its best interest of survival though, which culminates when it's discovered and thus, in such moral danger that it creates appendages to fight to defend itself, dropping all pretenses of covertness and just attacking to infect as many organisms around it as possible when it's found out.
The question I ask myself the most is, what if you managed to isolate the Thing in an SCP-like containment cell and tried to communicate with it? Would it drop the act and have a heart-to-heart with you, since you saw its true nature, or would it go full primal, roar at you and turn into any sort of Lovecraftian frickery to try and escape? The Thing can imitate us to perfection, but to what extent does it really understand us?
It would probably keep up the act, the Thing only ever drops the act when its survival insitincts kick in or when it senses it has an advantage.
yes
I hate seeing a hack frick up an IP
What are some other perfect 10/10 movies? Or does it just not get better than the thing?
Wholesome pic.
The only other movie I rate 10/10 is murder by death but it's very different.
Did I wind up in the hell where people get absorbed by alien organisms?
>You people got a lot of hells
Thing 2's whole plot could be about Patient 0 in NY not knowing he's a Thing, re-assuming control of his body to become human again, and trying to save people from the spreading infection.
Is the Thing a hivemind or one entity?
It's been a while since I saw both movies, but I always thought it moved from host to host, but in the prequel I think it was in multiple people at once?
I think it has the capacity to be a hivemind when all its biomass is together.
When it splits into two or more seperate things I doubt they have telepathic communication or something like that.
Was the scene of MacReady having explicit sex with a blow-up doll really necessary? I didn't think it added much to the plot
At least we got to see his The Thing (1982)
It's necessary in order to establish his character. First he gets check *mated* by a computer imitating a human player, then he *mates* with a doll imitating a human woman.
That's why he's (Mac)Ready to deal with things imitating his *mates*.
But Americans don’t say “mate” like that
Wtf I do t remember this scene.
my theory is it keeps the person's neural networks intact but controls them, through pain perhaps
childs was the thing jacket reveals this
Plus he and palmer shared a joint didn't they?
How did they get weed in Antarctica anyway?
>Plus he and palmer shared a joint didn't they?
probably but i think childs was thinged when blair came out of the basement. remember blair was hiding in the basement the entire time so when mac+crew left, blair came out, thinged childs, childs grabbed that blue jacket on the coat because his jacket he was previously wearing got shredded and then childs ran out with the new blue jacket.
If a thing cell infects an entire organism gradually, as the alien neural network takes over the human one, it becomes aware of itself over time.
If they haven't been totally converted into things, some of them are probably still aware as their body rearranges itself in a "thing-out," which would be quite horrifying and rather painful.
>..Oh shit, my thingitis is acting up in front of the normies..*ahem*
>All is well, friends, pay no attention to my mutating limbs!
He seems ok, Mac.
I know the book and movie state that the thing infects on a cellular level but thats just so moronic and lore breaking because then the thing would never need to transform ever. All the thing would need to do is sneeze within 3 feet of anyone and infect them. So I say the thing plays by zombie rules, bites scratches infect only. Otherwise it gets too moronic.
Could be that they don’t actually completely understand how the process works and it may actually need a lot of bio mass and time to assimilate a target. Like most of the things facts came from people who were compromised eventually and only had limited resources to figure out what the frick they were dealing with
bait question
The real question is whether or not Childs and MacReady knew they were both Things.
I always assumed it was something like invasion of the body snatchers where the alien minds fuse with the human ones, retain memories of both but lose the ability to feel any emotions
So good ending?
It's so weird how we would've gotten this movie if it wasn't for the artist getting injured.
Is Rob Bottin still alive?
I feel like sending him a fruit basket or something.
>wisconsin artist
lmao
>ripping off alien
thank god he got hurt and we got something more original
Childs has a fricking earring morons he isnt the Thing... unless the Norwegian Thing learned from its mistakes with israelitelery.
>prequel
Yeah it's always baffled me why people think this is some sort of ambiguous ending when Carpenter specifically added the shot of Childs' earring.
thats just bullshit from the sequel though
also implying it cant pick the earring back up
>low IQ
Childs isn’t the thing at the end
yes he is
The canon sequel says he's not.
People this stupid should be culled
It's not from the sequel. The original established that the Thing doesn't do metal.
>also implying it cant pick the earring back up
Carpenter also said one of them is the thing
>Norwegian Thing learned from its mistakes with israelitelery.
Mistakes with israelitelery? What was that?
Don't trust 'em.
Plus it doesn’t matter, Mcready has the flame thrower and was going to torch his ass either way.
"I’ve only ever used them to adapt before, never to hide. This desperate mimicry was an improvised thing, a last resort in the face of a world that attacked anything unfamiliar. My cells read the signs and my cells conformed, mindless as prions. So I became Norris, and Norris self-destructed." An interesting thought from Peter Watts' (noncannon) shortstory, The Things.
Yes and they also believe they're who they're mimicking plus anyone/thing else they've mimicked. The original short story is confusing but is the best way to have it explained
Anybody else catch a 40th anniversary screening last week? 50 people in my theater, was a great time.
I went 2 weeks ago. Full theater and picture looked great.
I had to sneak in with my friends because the consession line was 20 mins long. Five minutes later two parents with their 8 year old son sit in front of us. Awesome experience that kid will never forget!
I know I do
Is that Pat from youtube?
>Do Thing creatures know they're Thing creatures?
No they don't, it's a perfect copy on the cellular level. The Thing exists beneath that.
They are self aware enough to sabbatoge the blooe test
Wasn't the thing more or less kind of a hivemind-ish thing?
The Thing essentially clones the human, but is inhuman underneath. But if the thing infected everyone, then the world would carry on as normal. I'm sorry that this is too complex for you.
If I told you right now that you died 5 years ago and are actually The Thing, does this change your life in any meaningful way?
meant for
why in god's name would the thing bother carrying on human society as normal, instead of seeking a higher purpose like merging into a single entity, or better yet, seeking to return to the stars to pursue the spess ship ayys or maybe some other goal it had?
>the thing orders French fries and does its taxes after assimilating the whole world
lmao, ridiculous take...wasn't there a Simpsons episode like that?
what's the thing's tax policies?
It's not crazy at all. The Thing would take over the world, and society, use it as a home base, and then use that to spread its seed throughout the galaxy.
It serves no purpose for its survival to destroy entire infrastructures and supply chains. Think about it.
There's no need for destruction but there's no need to stay in human form and moreover to do trivial human things for that either. It would probably just turn into one giant globe spanning biomass and build space ships from there, only much more efficiently. There's no need for the thing to pretend that it likes to go to the disco when all opposition got erradicated and it has no need to disguise.
Even at the ending of the movie it gave up all disguise and turned into an amorphous blob just because the stealth approach wasn't necessary anymore.
The Thing is intelligent, it knows how to build UFOs out of scrap, so I can only imagine it likes entertainment.
And it's hard to tell what it's "real" form actually is because most of the time they catch it before its finished transforming.
>Thing gets lonely and jerks off in front of his home computer
>Thing takes on a double shift at work to save up for a new GPU for mining bitcoin
>Thing spergs online about the Star Wars sequels
IT could be me!
IT could be you!
IT could even be-
The thing pretends to be certain creatures just long enough to assimilate more creates. Humans don't do that so right off the bat it is NOT acting human. Since it is purely opportunistic it most likely would stop acknowledging familial bonds, social circles, hierarchies in government, etc. Is that too complex for you* to understand?
It also doesn't care about any particular host type which means it would just hop through every creature on the planet, in turn each one of those replicants is not acting like its normal self. You're not even worthy of more (you)s because you can't track basic logic and would side with a killer alien species.
>Since it is purely opportunistic it most likely would stop acknowledging familial bonds, social circles, hierarchies in government,
Except that in the scenario where it has infected everyone it would serve its own interest in keeping these for its own survival.
You're a brainlet, sorry.
Didn't someone like find a transcript that the original short story was only the first part of and they were going to release the full story or something? What happened with that?
Anon that was years ago, they released the full script as a book called frozen hell, they’re even planning on making sequels & spin offs from the full novel. Hell Universal even started to make a full on Thing remake based on the full novel.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1479442828/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1656623936&sr=8-2
I think the Thing gradually takes over its hosts' consciousness like a soul eating psychosis.
We don't
Yes
No they don't, they copy the mind and memories (somehow) but then IT, no wait THE THING supercedes at some point and takes over, doing so losing the memory and can't turn back.
You couldn't know because you're dead and replaced. the thing absorbs biomass and uses it to create copies
>But they say they don't know if they're the thing or not
Yeah, dumbass, they're pretending, which causes the humans to doubt themselves.
>anon makes up shitty fanfic
>gets mad when no one excepts it as canon
Yes, we do.