Just cut or fade to black in normal movies and go watch some porn if you feel the need to see two person fricking. Awkward scene of mimicking sex with no penetration doesn't add anything to the movie's plot.
You can just imply sex.
They did it all the time in the 50s and 60s, with the Hays code.
However sometimes the sex scene itself is relevant to the plot, so it's a case by case basis, like 90% of issues.
And coomers the rope, you already have plenty of material to jerk off you fricking animal.
Zero (0) scenes in a movie advance the plot. Only the script does that. The movie just adds extraneous visual and audio detail that does not advance the plot.
Why are people on the internet so porn addicted and at the same time so prude when it comes to sex scenes in movies? >hurr durr internet is not one person
No, frick you, i KNOW that these are the same people, fricking explain yourself and don't fricking try do deny how addicted to porn you
Just cut or fade to black in normal movies and go watch some porn if you feel the need to see two person fricking. Awkward scene of mimicking sex with no penetration doesn't add anything to the movie's plot.
>I-i just need explicit sex scenes in every movies because....I just do all right!!
You're a projecting coomer homosexual, seek help and lay off the porn for a while.
>in every movies
Nobody said that, you just can't defend your actual opinion.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you defeated your argument in your own post, the internet isn't one person. you frothing at the mouth and yelling that it is does not make it so.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nah it's very obvious, coomers preaching against sex scenes are too sanctimonious about it. Exactly like preachy ex-junkies thinking everybody else is just one step away from addiction, I can tell.
9 months ago
Anonymous
forcing someone to defend positions they didn't take is a weird debate strategy, makes you look desperate. at least start with something substantial.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>debate
This isn't a debate you fricking nerd and nobody is forcing you to defend anything except you. Feeling like you've been adressed maybe?
9 months ago
Anonymous
debated; debating
transitive verb
1 to argue about
2 to engage (an opponent) in debate
arguing semantics in lieu of any real grounds is also a poor tactic.
Look at this [...] dude immediately proving coomers who lost all perception of reality are anti-sex scenes
>proving coomers who lost all perception of reality are anti-sex scenes
how's that? just because a homie frequents porn sites doesn't mean it hurts the validity of his claim
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I say sir, these deabate tactics of thee are not up to standards of the established ground rules 1865 >this isn't a debate >Huh, interesting when the very definition of our conversation is what constitutes a "debate"
Okay Ben Shapiro, it's not that kind of a debate then, just shit flinging on an anonymous board and I think saying something is "poor tactics" on here is nerd shit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you just got DESTROYED and HUMILIATED
9 months ago
Anonymous
i accept your concession
9 months ago
Anonymous
np man
9 months ago
Anonymous
>how's that? just because a homie frequents porn sites doesn't mean it hurts the validity of his claim
Because that's what the post you were replying to is about?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>this dude cited a porn site >therefore everybody itt who argued against sex scenes is this guy1!!1
This isn't the reddit gotcha moment you think this is, you sad, seething c**t.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>therefore everybody itt who argued against sex scenes is this guy1!!1
Pretty much, yeah.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anti-Coomers slipping up and naming some obscure site, porn star or fetish like everybody would know what that is happens way more frequently than that and that's just the ones too moronic to hide it.
Also sometimes you can just tell from how overly concerned they are about it. Yeah, porn is weird and often disgusting blah blah, but there is a difference between voicing concerns about it and these guys frothing at the mouth about anything resembling their own addiction. I'm personally not even saying anybody uncomfortable about sex scenes is like that, but it is absolutely a common occurence on here. I'd honestly be surprised if less than 80% of all anti-coomers on Cinemaphile were coomers themseves.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I had to read back through the thread to see which porn site they're talking about. Aznude? That's hilariously mainstream lad. It's one of the top 2 results every time you Google a sex scene from a film. Up there with Mr Skin.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>every time you Google a sex scene from a film
Cumbrains will do this and then complain about sex scenes in movies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You seem to think this undermines their arguments rather than bolstering them? If people are going out of their way to Google sex scenes from films that means the scenes were filmed in a titillating manner, designed to inspire arousal rather than actually contributing to the story or characters. Coomers wanking to film sex scenes is evidence that film sex scenes are just softcore porn and irrelevant to the film as a whole, for the most part.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>nooooo why would you Google a sex scene, they're not made for jerking off they're meant to be art and show character development
lmao, you degenerates are hilarious
9 months ago
Anonymous
How are the people who see sex scenes in movies as art over jerk off material the degenerates?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because that's how the vast majority of people see it, jerking off material and not >hmmm, yes, see this man's back and ass and how he is thrusting his hips with such force? It implies psychological trauma due to a really stressful situation, I really needed to hear him grunting for 20 minutes to come to that conclusion, what deep character development!
9 months ago
Anonymous
No they don't, that's just you. If you watch the sex scene in for example The Name Of The Rose and don't see it as a pivotal moment in the characters arc and the story itself and realize it needs to be in the movie you're probably just an obsessed coombrain who projects his own issues on everybody else.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i just tune out when they happen lmao
imagine leaning in with your fist under your chin like a pseud
9 months ago
Anonymous
>thinks that sex scenes do little to advance the plot in modern movies >jerk offs
it's wild that some of you morons think this is somehow a contradiction
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You are so disgusting, you're degenerates, you only want sex scenes to jack off! >jacks off to sex scenes himself
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Shows that the only reason you think anybody could defend having sex scenes in a movie is to jack off because you can't appreciate art.
9 months ago
Anonymous
except "jacking off to sex scenes is bad" was not the argument being challenged in the OP. it's that sex scenes don't advance the plot.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The post chain you're replying to have been arguing about wether or not the most vocal anti-coomers are coomers or not for some time now, but everytime this is established as pretty much fact, you guys pussy out and claim the only argument we were having was about sex scenes being necessary.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Moving the goalposts
You finally realised that calling these people coombrains was proof that sex scenes in films are just coombait and that you had been accidentally undermining your own argument the entire time and have resorted to "I was only ever arguing that you wank a lot". That's very, very funny.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Most anti sex-sene people are coomers themselves >No they're not >Yes they are, look at these people admitting to it >W-we weren't even arguing about that haha you defeated your own argument
Sure, that's why people were arguing against it until a few posts ago.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't know, not a coomer.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Aznude
I had never heard of it
>top 2 results every time you Google a sex scene from a film
cumbrain
> Up there with Mr Skin.
also never heard of it. you are a cumbrained homosexual. functional people do not spend all day googling sex scenes from movies
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're accidentally admitting you lost the argument and you don't even realise it lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
Look at this
i don't even remember there being an explicit sex scene in eyes wide shut. unless you want to call 1.5 second shots of Nicole Kidman naked in bed with an admiral an explicit sex scene. there's also none on aznude, lots of nudity, sure but nothing you could reasonably call an "explicit sex scene".
dude immediately proving coomers who lost all perception of reality are anti-sex scenes
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's 0 movies who benefit from explicit sex scenes, that's my point. Now explain to me why to why you need sex scenes in every movies to finger your rotten unatural axewound at.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>There's 0 movies who benefit from explicit sex scenes
I hope this is the dumbest opinion I'll have to read today, but somehow I doubt it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Good Morning Sir!
>No arguments
Good night trannies!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>No arguments
For starters, there are several movies whose core plot revolves around sex. How exactly do you imagine Eyes Wide Shut would work without the sex scenes? How would The Accused work without the rape scene?
9 months ago
Anonymous
i don't even remember there being an explicit sex scene in eyes wide shut. unless you want to call 1.5 second shots of Nicole Kidman naked in bed with an admiral an explicit sex scene. there's also none on aznude, lots of nudity, sure but nothing you could reasonably call an "explicit sex scene".
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Coomer immediately namedropping a porn site like everybody will know what he's talking about
9 months ago
Anonymous
>aznude
9 months ago
Anonymous
There are no sex scenes in Eyes Wide Shut. You don't need to see the sex to know it's happening.
It's been a while, but I could have absolutely sworn there was explicit sex. No matter, there are other examples (almost all of von Trier's catalogue comes to mind; even if you don't like his films, it's pretty indisputable that most of them simply wouldn't work if he took out the sex scenes.)
>How would The Accused work without the rape scene?
Like Rashomon?
Could work in theory, but you're pretty much talking about a different movie at that point. The climax of the film is the full reveal of what actually happened in the bar, as described by the goofy looking kid witness.
9 months ago
Anonymous
A rape scene is not a sex scene.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, it's better.
Explain how the sex scene in BR2049 was unnecessary.
Wasn't a sex scene
9 months ago
Anonymous
>aznude
as usual, the biggest coomer of all was the anti-coomer
9 months ago
Anonymous
>using aznude as a source to btfo coombrains
i kneel
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's literally an orgy scene
9 months ago
Anonymous
>How would The Accused work without the rape scene?
Like Rashomon?
9 months ago
Anonymous
There are no sex scenes in Eyes Wide Shut. You don't need to see the sex to know it's happening.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Good Morning Sir!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>There's 0 movies who benefit from explicit sex scenes
i used to think that, but then they had a scene in Foundation where the emperor rails that finnish robot chick and that activated my neurons something fierce
9 months ago
Anonymous
At least you're sincere about it, which is more than can be said about the homosexuals above you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It was mostly tounge in cheek, but yes, i agree with you in the main.
We managed to make great art without representing the act of coitus before so there is no reason it should have to be forefront in movies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>We managed to make great art without representing the act of coitus before so there is no reason it should have to be forefront in movies.
Could make the same argument for colour film or sound, obscenity and vulgarity can be useful tools in the box and there are plenty of films that benefit from them even if it does suck that people lean far too heavily on them now.
>How would The Accused work without the rape scene?
Like Rashomon?
I don't think I'd remember The Accused if they just cut away with an implied rape.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Could make the same argument for colour film or sound
eh, not really. that was just technical limitations of the time; we already knew what colors looked like and what sound sounds like. i agree with the rest of your argument though >I don't think I'd remember The Accused if they just cut away with an implied rape.
isn't that a pretty damning verdict for the film? i have no problems remembering Rashomon, and i feel it is by far the superior movie.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>isn't that a pretty damning verdict for the film?
I think the movie only works based on the brutality of that scene, It's not just a graphic, memorable rape scene and then the rest of the movie is forgettable and poorly made.
Rashomon is better but The Accused is still good and what worked in Rashomon wouldn't work there.
Pic related i think was a lesser movie than it could be because it wasn't allowed to be as graphic and obscene as it warranted, there are plenty of "modern" movies that are good and graphically sexual/violent, it's not only just a lazy crutch but an essential element to some movies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
overall, i find myself mostly agreeing with you. today anon wasn't a homosexual.
>And coomers the rope
Calling every normal human being on the planet a coomer, just because you're a prudish burger in denial, is not healthy.
Sex is the most essential part of life, and as such, should be represented in art, you should come to terms with that.
Just cut or fade to black in normal movies and go watch some porn if you feel the need to see two person fricking. Awkward scene of mimicking sex with no penetration doesn't add anything to the movie's plot.
>Awkward scene of mimicking sex with no penetration doesn't add anything to the movie's plot.
this is why the kino directors have the actors do actual penetration
Monster's Ball, Last Tango in Paris, Irreversible, El Topo... the examples go on
1) It rarely if ever changes the character dynamic. This is why it’s pointless.
2) I’ve only ever seen sex scenes where you’re supposed to understand something from the sex itself in comedy films. Which either goes “oh wow this moron is unexpectedly great in bed” or “the sex is bad, lol”.
Name 10 films with sex scenes that change the character dynamics AND give you some information during the sex scene other than that they had sex.
But do we need to SEE them fricking? Why can't they cut to the morning after and they're lying under the sheets together, clothes strewn everywhere? The sex is still implied and established
>But do we need to SEE them fricking? Why can't they cut to the morning after and they're lying under the sheets together, clothes strewn everywhere? The sex is still implied and established
You can just imply sex.
They did it all the time in the 50s and 60s, with the Hays code.
However sometimes the sex scene itself is relevant to the plot, so it's a case by case basis, like 90% of issues.
A woman made that post didn’t she? And she’s a libtard too and probably a prostitute who protested over the Supreme Court decision, is unmarried, no kids, and on the verge of expiring
I cannot think of a single good sex scene. They're always awkward to sit through, and they're rarely ever genuinely erotic or hot beyond just a basic level of "hey, famous actress breasts," if there's even any nudity at all
It's true that sex changes the dynamic of the relationship. The scales fall from your eyes as you realize that's all you really wanted from her, and your interest cools off sharply.
The sex scene taking place yes, seeing it is irrelevant and exists only as lame titillation for dipshits who don't know what porn is. If you're not doing something interesting with it like BR2049 then don't do it at all, also that bullshit sounds like a woman wrote it which makes it less than worthless.
No sex scene in a Hollywood movie has ever remotely realistically displayed sex, so this is a bullshit take. Sex scenes are always of the rolling around groping eachother kind rather than flop flop flop ballsack swinging around kind.
Anyone whose primary criteria for analyzing a film is whether it "advances the plot" is a brainlet in the first place and not worth discussing anything with
Where are all these gratuitous sex scenes everyone's talking about? Big budget Hollywood films almost never have them (Oppenheimer being a notable exception), and I know you plebs aren't watching European indie flicks.
I guess there's horror movies, but gratuitous sex is a staple of the genre so it feels like a bizarre thing to complain about.
You spend too much time on this site if you think they're the only ones annoyed. Some people just want to bring their families to a period/war drama and not deal with it.
Just wanting a historical story doesn't mean they all indulge in war. It could have easily been some antiwar flick and they may not have wanted it too.
I don't personally give a shit about these scenes, but what's more annoying is all of you playing stupid and trying to gaslight as if this is all unreasonable and unthinkable and everything in the present is how it's always been. You're just full of shit and here in bad faith.
isn't that why the rating system exists? kids are gonna get bored as frick watching a period/war drama too, their parents shouldn't subject them to that
I'm guessing we're talking about little kids because you're suggesting they would get traumatized by the kind of sex scene a hollywood period/war drama would have, and I can't imagine it being very explicit
>Where are all these gratuitous sex scenes everyone's talking about
action movies used to have them in the 80s and 90s, until Cranked sort of put an end to it with the most over the top sex scene in a mainstream movie ever
There's a sex scene in every episode of every episode of television now. Usually the woman being a huge bawd but she's courageous and living her best life.
And guess who is writing all modern television? Women. They ruin everything.
>Where are all these gratuitous sex scenes everyone's talking about?
Older movies. And they were primarily put in to get dudes into theatres because that is how they could see a naked breasts and ass before the internet. A lot of b-movies especially in the 80s and early 90s are guilty of throwing bad sex scenes and breasts at the screen for that exact reason, and more often than not failing to do what good movies like Basic Instict, Damage, etc. were doing with nudity and sex because they were just imitating rather than telling a story. I mean look at something like Sliver or Body of Evidence or even Jade. They’re trying to ape better movies by all sexy and shit and they’re shit specifically because the sex isn’t used to actually to move the plot or develop characterisation, it’s there to copy more successful movies because they think nudity was what made the movies they’re ripping off good.
The irony of your argument is that as gratuitous sex scenes have dwindled from screens, movies have become much worse and the industry is in freefall.
Correlation isn't necessarily causation you fricking moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Never said it was. I said it was ironic and you started seething.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You implied that the movie industry got worse due to the removal of sex scenes. Why the frick would you mention this if you weren't implying causation?
>as gratuitous sex scenes have dwindled from screens, movies have become much worse and the industry is in freefall.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Note how that quote never said it was DUE to that and was on observation that it was ironic. The rest was your own ego spiraling.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're an actual idiot. It's funny the lengths people will go to to just not admit they said something really stupid. You said his argument was ironic, not your own post, idiot. And if you weren't implying causation, you literally had no reason to even mention it.
>scene ends >hard cut to two characters fricking >they both finish and collapse, exhausted >lights cigarette >sudden exposition dump that could have been done in three other scenes >SEE IT WAS NECESSARY IT ADVANCED THE PLOT!!!!
I just don’t get it. Yes, this could happen in real life but it never feels organic in movies/shows. Especially when we knew the two characters were already fricking, it doesn’t change their relationship at all.
if the plot revolves around their relationship (ie a romantic comedy or other shit for women), then it advances the plot
if it's a movie for men, then the romance subplot is usually superfluous filler to keep the lesser sex somewhat engaged between phone texts
I guess, but the sheer number of stories about romantic relationships that don't show the sex but nevertheless depict full, developed characters and intimacy reveal it to be inessential the vast majority of the time. The real reason to include the sex is for the imagery itself.
Very weak writing when you have to show sex to explain that people care for eachother. Much like voiceover of a character's thoughts instead of illustration/actions of their current mood.
>le show not tell >don't show sex scenes tho
I think you got some wires crossed in your brain and mixed up two different NPC phrases you never once thought about.
Yes, because showing the range of growth between characters can create all sorts of great moments for the film (not using sex) think of Garden State or Lost in Translation, hell even something like Elizabethtown.
Of all the Iconic films that have been made, the only true way to use 'sex' as a necessity is Federico Fellini 8 1/2
Casanova might've been pushing the boundaries but still a fine film.
I don't get why people feel compelled to have it be all one thing or all another. Some sex scenes suck and don't matter. Others do. I could easily write a scene that informs a specific relationship dynamic through the sex itself or otherwise convey different moods or story elements through a sex scene. It isn't even difficult.
You know what comes to mind for sex scene that grows the characters- Conan the Barbarian. You see the man overcome lust in one sequence and then the next one, he is actually vulnerable and overall changes how he reacts to the world.
Exactly stuff like that. You could also show impotence to convey anxiety and frustration and shit like that. Or any number of other things. Even schlock like the A Song of Ice and Fire books used sex effectively to convey the shifting relationship between Daenerys and Drogo with her changing from a voiceless frickmeat slave that he pounds to him treating her more equally where she slowly convinces him to allow her to ride him during sex. I never watched the show so I'm not sure if it's depicted the same but it probably is.
If there's a couple, it's presumed they have sex or have had sex, so the scene is unnecessary.
If a male and female character develop a relationship in the movie and that becomes physical, it's still not required to see the sex. They can kiss, touch, and it can simply be heavily implied. They don't have to show the scene.
People are civilised animals repressing primal urges. It makes lots of people uncomfortable as frick to see these primal urges openly displayed. This is why we hide it from children, why public nudity is banned, why people tut when people passionately kiss in public, and so on. Movies don't get a pass. Stop inserting it into every fricking film
Actually you just made me realize women need them in films for them to enjoy it because their brains are fricking fried
We need to start beating them again
it's more that romance is needed to keep women interested in films they see with their significant other
a sex scene (with at least some breasts) is (was) then a gesture to keep the boring romance palatable for the men
The boobs have always been to lure in adolescent and teenage boys. They were the ones trying to rent those films or get their hands on them to see it. Modern adolescents just watch porn so it can't really meaningfully be used to lure in the same amount of horny teens.
I can't even really picture any man over like 22 being excited about film boobs.
men never grow out of seeing attractive women naked and it's not just random breasts, it's celebrity breasts
like i said, the nudity was an olive branch to shoehorn in romance
if they are going to dump the sex scene, dump the romance subplot too
Women will say this but in the same breath say the opposite about a rape scene, even though a rape scene arguably has even more of an impact on character relationships, dynamics and how the audience feels about the victim & perpetrator
I think they're just worried about traumatizing or upsetting people who were raped. Or they might complain if it tries to humanize a rapist or stalker or something.
Probably because a lot of incel men are extremely hostile and rude towards them but rape victims are victims that they pity? It's hard to feel sorry for a group of people who spend most of their time screaming at you that they hope you die in a fire.
Don't know what to tell you. I feel more sorry for my friend's mother that was raped in the 70's than I do for you not being able to get laid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Don't know what to tell you.
Seems to be a running theme for your posts that you don't know what to say when your views are challenged because youve just been parroting shit you read on Reddit and haven't seen any posts that you can regurgitate for the specific questions being asked of you now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was using it for emphasis, moron. Nice try. I don't have a Reddit account.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You don't need a reddit account to read it. You very obviously do read it extensively.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't. I've probably visited Reddit like 100 times in my entire life, usually because Google puts it near the top of most searches and if I'm trying to find something, it might be posted there. I've never, ever willingly browsed Reddit in my life.
I just don't agree with bitter incels and I'm not going to try to "fit in" here by pretending to agree with boneheaded morons.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sure thing, we all believe you
9 months ago
Anonymous
I couldn't possibly care less if you believe me or not.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you should get one because it's where you belong
9 months ago
Anonymous
Is she hot?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>raped in the 70's
Obviously not. She's like 75 or something.
>I think they're just worried about traumatizing or upsetting people who were raped.
Yeah wouldn't it be just awful if a movie made you feel something visceral. >Or they might complain if it tries to humanize a rapist or stalker or something.
Rapists are human beings, whether they like it or not. Humanising a rapist would be really compelling either way, as it would give the viewer a really complex view of the character but such things have very rarely been done, I recall one movie that's done it about a repentant rapist on death row.
>Yeah wouldn't it be just awful if a movie made you feel something visceral.
Yeah, it would. If I were anally raped, I doubt I'd want to go out to watch entertainment and have that trauma brought back to my mind by some vicious prison anal rape scene or something.
>Rapists are human beings
You just seem like an edgelord butthole and apparently don't understand the meaning of the word humanize. If you want some kind of movie full of rape and sympathetic towards rapist, I really have nothing to say to you except you're a massive dickhole.
>I doubt I'd want to go out to watch entertainment and have that trauma brought back to my mind
so don't? why should everything and everybody have to suffer for your problems?
So a rape scene not being explicitly depicted in a film is "suffering" for you? It's really funny hearing the types of things you guys say. The funny thing is I don't even give a shit whether films have rape or not, I'm just playing devil's advocate and so far you guys have argued that you wish films included more rape and were sympathetic towards rapists. Are you even thinking about the shit you're typing and why other people agree with them more than they agree with you?
9 months ago
Anonymous
movies being watered down for your pussy sensibilities makes everybody suffer, yes
9 months ago
Anonymous
Explain to me why a graphic rape scene is a necessity in a film, edgy-kun
9 months ago
Anonymous
It entertains me
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's adds levity.
>omg why do the leftists keep winning!? >how does the general public not get that we're the good guys!? its so unfair! >why yes, i do enjoy watching rape for entertainment
Top kek. Even if it's ironic, you can't defend your beliefs. It's always amusing when incel morons see themselves as victims and can't understand why everyone is repulsed by them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why are sex scenes necessary in film?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think they are for the most part.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>for the most part
Okay so you make exceptions. Why are THOSE sex scenes necessary in film?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Depends on the film and the story and how central it is to it. Some sex scenes are superfluous and make a film worse. In most cases, you can probably convey what you want to without the necessity of a sex scene, but they can be good and pivotal in a film. Filming a graphic rape scene is almost always unnecessary.
Before you think this is some kind of gotcha, I never once said sex scenes are necessary but rapes are not. I don't think sex scenes are all that impactful or important and I never claimed otherwise. I think leftists want to exclude rape scenes whenever possible because a much larger portion of the population has been traumatized by rape and it may make them not enjoy a film whereas nobody is really going to miss the inclusion of a rape scene. Sex as an inclusion is much more bland.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Depends on the film and the story and how central it is to it
Detail to me how you would make The Last House on the Left without rape. Or Irreversible. Or The Hills Have Eyes. Or A Clockwork Orange.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I've only seen one of those films but the simple answer is that you can depict a rape occurring without graphically showing it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Detail to me how you would do it. Whatever the one film is that you saw (pleb), detail your fix. Remember: Your version has to be as impactful, harrowing and character-driving as the original.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No? I don't need to do that for my argument to be correct. I'm not a screenwriter or film director. What kind of stupid shit is this? Should I ask you to write a fresh compelling rape scene?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>No?
I accept your concession. That was easy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that you think asking me to write a script and my refusal to do so was somehow a refutation of my argument is genuinely funny.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>genuinely funny.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're not much of a commenter either 2bh. Should probably give it up.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Much more intelligent and better debater than anyone in this thread, though.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're funnier, I'll give you that much.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just superior in all ways to you sad fricks, really. Not that that's some badge of honor. You're basically bottom feeders, so dunking on you is more fun than gratifying.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Go take a midol
9 months ago
Anonymous
So superior, you've spent over an hour straight on a site you hate arguing with people that are supposedly inferior to you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. Also, I don't hate this website. I just hate weak, bitter incel gays like you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're my inspiration. I hope I can rise to your greatness one day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, kiddo. Unlikely to ever happen.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You can also depict sex occuring without graphically showing it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I never claimed you couldn't. Leftists just prefer to omit graphic rape depictions because they're more likely to be upsetting to a wider audience than just sex is.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You are such a woman it's unreal.
9 months ago
Anonymous
YWNBAM
9 months ago
Anonymous
Projecting.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're a bitter incel that can't defend his own opinions. I'm never going to see eye to eye with you because you're pathetic. You're not a man, you're an angry little boy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Projection
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's adds levity.
Based anons, remember to wear your rape goggles
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's adds levity.
9 months ago
Anonymous
art imitates life, right?
the darkest corners of the human experience have been put to film and rape should be no exception
if you can't handle it, just kys
9 months ago
Anonymous
So we should just show graphic scat pornography? Make video games where the entire point is the realistic stalking, rape, and murder of children?
Again, you wonder why nobody agrees with you idiots and you lose these arguments over and over again. You're not advocating for a better society. You just want everyone to be as miserable and jaded as you are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why is it okay to show murder and torture in films but not rape?
I can think of multiple games off the top of my head that feature crimes against children heavily. Actual mainstream games too.
9 months ago
Anonymous
kek you're the one that just had 4 replies disagreeing with you m8
fricking delusional
9 months ago
Anonymous
Right but I'm posting in a den of smelly incels. The fact that 4 people disagree with me here is a good thing. If the broader population were to bother reading this thread, they would all say I absolute assfricked you morons. Though in polite PC language, of course.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i'm glad there was a round of applause in your head
9 months ago
Anonymous
For the exact same reason that sex scenes are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you wish films included more rape and were sympathetic towards rapists
Yes. Go back.
>Yeah, it would. If I were anally raped, I doubt I'd want to go out to watch entertainment and have that trauma brought back to my mind by some vicious prison anal rape scene or something
Well you don't need to mess around with hypotheticals, because I am myself a victim of rape and sexual assault when I was a child - yet I can detach a real life crime committed against me from an artistic medium and if anything gain a lot of catharsis from such movies. >You just seem like an edgelord butthole and apparently don't understand the meaning of the word humanize. If you want some kind of movie full of rape and sympathetic towards rapist, I really have nothing to say to you except you're a massive dickhole.
Very low IQ response. Downfall humanised Hitler, does that mean I am sympathising Hitler? No, its a more realistic and interesting depiction of a real human being with real human flaws, compulsions and reasons guilty of heinous crimes, and while it doesn't excuse them it acts as an extremely interesting character study.
Stop getting offended at rape scenes on my behalf hon when you know nothing of what I have been through, I don't need to live in a bubble wrapped world.
>Well you don't need to mess around with hypotheticals, because I am myself a victim of rape and sexual assault when I was a child - yet I can detach a real life crime committed against me from an artistic medium and if anything gain a lot of catharsis from such movies.
Your anecdote doesn't matter. Most rape victims don't like being reminded of their trauma and they're trying to be mindful of them. I'm sure some PTSD victims can handle extreme situations that would otherwise trigger a violent reaction in others, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to be careless about things that might set them off.
>Very low IQ response.
Obviously talking about your own post.
>Downfall humanised Hitler, does that mean I am sympathising Hitler?
Based on your posts? Yes. That aside, there is a massive difference between depicting Hitler in a more realistic fashion and depicting a graphic rape scene. They're not the same thing.
Sex scenes can be good for developing plot or character, Like Terminator or Oldboy, but most American films just use them for titillation because sex is the last big taboo in American TV and film.
Non-virgin here, and I still think sex scenes are unnecessary, gratuitous, and uncomfortable. You can just as easily skip it and do the "next morning" thing to establish relationship dynamics.
Rome and Breaking bad use sex scenes to show the change in character relationships as well as in the protagonists' mental/emotional state.
Real people are complex and layered. They keep their true selves hidden both from the outer world and to themselves. Placing them in intimate/primal situations like sex is a way to have some of their more inner behaviours come to the forefront (not saying it is the only way to do it or that it's always done with that purpose).
This person talks like somebody who would irrationally and illogically defend sex scenes in movies. >how dare you say it doesn't advance the plot, it affects non plot related things!
OK? Why are you obsessed with sex?
What does that have to do with the plot of a movie? Try to keep track of the actual conversation. This is what I mean by obsession, you can't even keep up with the conversation.
No, because the person didn't explain how sex scenes advance the plot. Instead, they strawmanned.
Sex scenes rarely advance a plot and they rarely add depth to characters. The person in OP is just mad someone doesn't think sex is necessary in film because they're sex-obsessed.
Yes, the same could be said about action scenes and most interactions, and every time it would be just as stupod stupid. But since nobody says it the anti sex scene Black folk get to claim the monopoly on the moronation
How the frick do you even differ between whatever "plot relevant" and "character development" is? Adson having sex with the girl in The Name Of The Rose doesn't technically have any bearing on the plot at all, but is also pretty much the most important scene in the movie, even the title is pretty much from that scene.
Lmao that's actually a virgin take. Sex only matters to those who never or rarely have it. Sex is no more impactful for a relationship than anything else, unless it's really bad.
Sex ought to be in private and between a man and woman who are married to each other, actors are almost never married to each other in sex scenes and even simulating sex is pornographic and immoral
It matters like it matters to see a character eat breakfast with his family in the morning. The way it's done can reveal something about the character. There are also different ways to have sex you know
>having sex completely changes the dynamics of character relationships
But the scene in which they have sex is completely unnecessary even if this is true (which it isn't)
Sex scenes are (often) bad because sex is inherently ridiculous and disgusting if you aren't already in a state of lust (i.e. if you're in the middle of watching a srs movie or if you've just jerked off).
The main reason you don’t see much sex and nudity is because studios don’t want their movies be R-rated anymore for maximised profits (because it directly limits how many people can go see it) and because it doesn’t really drive ticket sales anymore when you can just watch porn.
>Nolan adds a sex scene to get women into the theatre >They criticize him for not having enough sex and also not enough blacks
What the frick is wrong with these women
I never claimed you couldn't. Leftists just prefer to omit graphic rape depictions because they're more likely to be upsetting to a wider audience than just sex is.
They also live in a candy land where corpos are their friends because they make their avatar gay once a year
>They also live in a candy land where corpos are their friends because they make their avatar gay once a year
Absolutely, though I'd say that's true of everyone. Liberals just currently dominate corporate interests so they pander to them. I actually envy them a bit because while the dumber ones are deluded enough to think these corporations actually give a shit about their interests, the smarter of liberals have just learned how to manipulate capitalism and make these corporations work in their best interests through lobbying their own demographic power. Something conservatives had done 40 years ago but the youngest generation of them is lazy, passive, and entitled.
Women are so virulent in their defense of sex scenes because movies is their porn. Their form deep imaginary bonds with actors and singers beyond mere physicality, but they also need their release. Imagine if you cut off access to porn sites for coomers; this is what you're doing to women right now, taking away their coom with their imaginary husbands.
most directors just dont know how to make good sex scenes, they're just bad at directing
if every sex scene was well directed it would be fine but usually its just close ups on 2 actors making :O faces and gasping, it's always the same scene in every movie
It's long been settled that sex scenes are pointless. There are no good arguments for their inclusion, nothing is said that couldn't be said with an implication. They're just a waste of time and any movies where sex scenes are "integral" are a waste of time in and of themselves.
Depends on whether it advances the plot or not
moron
Plotgays deserve a bullet.
I just said it depends on the scene, i'm not a plot gay, you c**t.
All right, I apologize.
Zero (0) scenes in a movie advance the plot. Only the script does that. The movie just adds extraneous visual and audio detail that does not advance the plot.
Sex scenes are a useless extraneous visual and audio detail that adds nothing to a movie.
And coomers the rope, you already have plenty of material to jerk off you fricking animal.
Why are people on the internet so porn addicted and at the same time so prude when it comes to sex scenes in movies?
>hurr durr internet is not one person
No, frick you, i KNOW that these are the same people, fricking explain yourself and don't fricking try do deny how addicted to porn you
are, it's fricking obvious.
>I-i just need explicit sex scenes in every movies because....I just do all right!!
You're a projecting coomer homosexual, seek help and lay off the porn for a while.
>in every movies
Nobody said that, you just can't defend your actual opinion.
you defeated your argument in your own post, the internet isn't one person. you frothing at the mouth and yelling that it is does not make it so.
Nah it's very obvious, coomers preaching against sex scenes are too sanctimonious about it. Exactly like preachy ex-junkies thinking everybody else is just one step away from addiction, I can tell.
forcing someone to defend positions they didn't take is a weird debate strategy, makes you look desperate. at least start with something substantial.
>debate
This isn't a debate you fricking nerd and nobody is forcing you to defend anything except you. Feeling like you've been adressed maybe?
debated; debating
transitive verb
1 to argue about
2 to engage (an opponent) in debate
arguing semantics in lieu of any real grounds is also a poor tactic.
>proving coomers who lost all perception of reality are anti-sex scenes
how's that? just because a homie frequents porn sites doesn't mean it hurts the validity of his claim
>I say sir, these deabate tactics of thee are not up to standards of the established ground rules 1865
>this isn't a debate
>Huh, interesting when the very definition of our conversation is what constitutes a "debate"
Okay Ben Shapiro, it's not that kind of a debate then, just shit flinging on an anonymous board and I think saying something is "poor tactics" on here is nerd shit.
you just got DESTROYED and HUMILIATED
i accept your concession
np man
>how's that? just because a homie frequents porn sites doesn't mean it hurts the validity of his claim
Because that's what the post you were replying to is about?
>this dude cited a porn site
>therefore everybody itt who argued against sex scenes is this guy1!!1
This isn't the reddit gotcha moment you think this is, you sad, seething c**t.
>therefore everybody itt who argued against sex scenes is this guy1!!1
Pretty much, yeah.
Anti-Coomers slipping up and naming some obscure site, porn star or fetish like everybody would know what that is happens way more frequently than that and that's just the ones too moronic to hide it.
Also sometimes you can just tell from how overly concerned they are about it. Yeah, porn is weird and often disgusting blah blah, but there is a difference between voicing concerns about it and these guys frothing at the mouth about anything resembling their own addiction. I'm personally not even saying anybody uncomfortable about sex scenes is like that, but it is absolutely a common occurence on here. I'd honestly be surprised if less than 80% of all anti-coomers on Cinemaphile were coomers themseves.
I had to read back through the thread to see which porn site they're talking about. Aznude? That's hilariously mainstream lad. It's one of the top 2 results every time you Google a sex scene from a film. Up there with Mr Skin.
>every time you Google a sex scene from a film
Cumbrains will do this and then complain about sex scenes in movies.
You seem to think this undermines their arguments rather than bolstering them? If people are going out of their way to Google sex scenes from films that means the scenes were filmed in a titillating manner, designed to inspire arousal rather than actually contributing to the story or characters. Coomers wanking to film sex scenes is evidence that film sex scenes are just softcore porn and irrelevant to the film as a whole, for the most part.
>nooooo why would you Google a sex scene, they're not made for jerking off they're meant to be art and show character development
lmao, you degenerates are hilarious
How are the people who see sex scenes in movies as art over jerk off material the degenerates?
Because that's how the vast majority of people see it, jerking off material and not
>hmmm, yes, see this man's back and ass and how he is thrusting his hips with such force? It implies psychological trauma due to a really stressful situation, I really needed to hear him grunting for 20 minutes to come to that conclusion, what deep character development!
No they don't, that's just you. If you watch the sex scene in for example The Name Of The Rose and don't see it as a pivotal moment in the characters arc and the story itself and realize it needs to be in the movie you're probably just an obsessed coombrain who projects his own issues on everybody else.
i just tune out when they happen lmao
imagine leaning in with your fist under your chin like a pseud
>thinks that sex scenes do little to advance the plot in modern movies
>jerk offs
it's wild that some of you morons think this is somehow a contradiction
>You are so disgusting, you're degenerates, you only want sex scenes to jack off!
>jacks off to sex scenes himself
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Shows that the only reason you think anybody could defend having sex scenes in a movie is to jack off because you can't appreciate art.
except "jacking off to sex scenes is bad" was not the argument being challenged in the OP. it's that sex scenes don't advance the plot.
The post chain you're replying to have been arguing about wether or not the most vocal anti-coomers are coomers or not for some time now, but everytime this is established as pretty much fact, you guys pussy out and claim the only argument we were having was about sex scenes being necessary.
>Moving the goalposts
You finally realised that calling these people coombrains was proof that sex scenes in films are just coombait and that you had been accidentally undermining your own argument the entire time and have resorted to "I was only ever arguing that you wank a lot". That's very, very funny.
>Most anti sex-sene people are coomers themselves
>No they're not
>Yes they are, look at these people admitting to it
>W-we weren't even arguing about that haha you defeated your own argument
Sure, that's why people were arguing against it until a few posts ago.
Wouldn't know, not a coomer.
I accept your concession.
>Aznude
I had never heard of it
>top 2 results every time you Google a sex scene from a film
cumbrain
> Up there with Mr Skin.
also never heard of it. you are a cumbrained homosexual. functional people do not spend all day googling sex scenes from movies
You're accidentally admitting you lost the argument and you don't even realise it lol
Look at this
dude immediately proving coomers who lost all perception of reality are anti-sex scenes
There's 0 movies who benefit from explicit sex scenes, that's my point. Now explain to me why to why you need sex scenes in every movies to finger your rotten unatural axewound at.
>There's 0 movies who benefit from explicit sex scenes
I hope this is the dumbest opinion I'll have to read today, but somehow I doubt it.
>No arguments
Good night trannies!
>No arguments
For starters, there are several movies whose core plot revolves around sex. How exactly do you imagine Eyes Wide Shut would work without the sex scenes? How would The Accused work without the rape scene?
i don't even remember there being an explicit sex scene in eyes wide shut. unless you want to call 1.5 second shots of Nicole Kidman naked in bed with an admiral an explicit sex scene. there's also none on aznude, lots of nudity, sure but nothing you could reasonably call an "explicit sex scene".
>Coomer immediately namedropping a porn site like everybody will know what he's talking about
>aznude
It's been a while, but I could have absolutely sworn there was explicit sex. No matter, there are other examples (almost all of von Trier's catalogue comes to mind; even if you don't like his films, it's pretty indisputable that most of them simply wouldn't work if he took out the sex scenes.)
Could work in theory, but you're pretty much talking about a different movie at that point. The climax of the film is the full reveal of what actually happened in the bar, as described by the goofy looking kid witness.
A rape scene is not a sex scene.
You're right, it's better.
Wasn't a sex scene
>aznude
as usual, the biggest coomer of all was the anti-coomer
>using aznude as a source to btfo coombrains
i kneel
There's literally an orgy scene
>How would The Accused work without the rape scene?
Like Rashomon?
There are no sex scenes in Eyes Wide Shut. You don't need to see the sex to know it's happening.
Good Morning Sir!
>There's 0 movies who benefit from explicit sex scenes
i used to think that, but then they had a scene in Foundation where the emperor rails that finnish robot chick and that activated my neurons something fierce
At least you're sincere about it, which is more than can be said about the homosexuals above you.
It was mostly tounge in cheek, but yes, i agree with you in the main.
We managed to make great art without representing the act of coitus before so there is no reason it should have to be forefront in movies.
>We managed to make great art without representing the act of coitus before so there is no reason it should have to be forefront in movies.
Could make the same argument for colour film or sound, obscenity and vulgarity can be useful tools in the box and there are plenty of films that benefit from them even if it does suck that people lean far too heavily on them now.
I don't think I'd remember The Accused if they just cut away with an implied rape.
>Could make the same argument for colour film or sound
eh, not really. that was just technical limitations of the time; we already knew what colors looked like and what sound sounds like. i agree with the rest of your argument though
>I don't think I'd remember The Accused if they just cut away with an implied rape.
isn't that a pretty damning verdict for the film? i have no problems remembering Rashomon, and i feel it is by far the superior movie.
>isn't that a pretty damning verdict for the film?
I think the movie only works based on the brutality of that scene, It's not just a graphic, memorable rape scene and then the rest of the movie is forgettable and poorly made.
Rashomon is better but The Accused is still good and what worked in Rashomon wouldn't work there.
Pic related i think was a lesser movie than it could be because it wasn't allowed to be as graphic and obscene as it warranted, there are plenty of "modern" movies that are good and graphically sexual/violent, it's not only just a lazy crutch but an essential element to some movies.
overall, i find myself mostly agreeing with you. today anon wasn't a homosexual.
Thanks m8.
>And coomers the rope
Calling every normal human being on the planet a coomer, just because you're a prudish burger in denial, is not healthy.
Sex is the most essential part of life, and as such, should be represented in art, you should come to terms with that.
>Muh plot
One of many things women don't understand
I have sex and sex scenes still make me feel uncomfortable if I'm watching it with another person
modern sex scenes are so sexless they barely alter the film at all.
it's like kids playing with dolls and going, ok these two are married now.
Just cut or fade to black in normal movies and go watch some porn if you feel the need to see two person fricking. Awkward scene of mimicking sex with no penetration doesn't add anything to the movie's plot.
>Awkward scene of mimicking sex with no penetration doesn't add anything to the movie's plot.
this is why the kino directors have the actors do actual penetration
Monster's Ball, Last Tango in Paris, Irreversible, El Topo... the examples go on
I disagree. I honestly think the Terminator wouldn't be the same movie without the sex scene
You already know exactly what the response will be so why bother making this trash thread
1) It rarely if ever changes the character dynamic. This is why it’s pointless.
2) I’ve only ever seen sex scenes where you’re supposed to understand something from the sex itself in comedy films. Which either goes “oh wow this moron is unexpectedly great in bed” or “the sex is bad, lol”.
Name 10 films with sex scenes that change the character dynamics AND give you some information during the sex scene other than that they had sex.
You get only get one, b***hbreasts. Terminator.
But do we need to SEE them fricking? Why can't they cut to the morning after and they're lying under the sheets together, clothes strewn everywhere? The sex is still implied and established
>But do we need to SEE them fricking? Why can't they cut to the morning after and they're lying under the sheets together, clothes strewn everywhere? The sex is still implied and established
go back to twi- oh wait, daddy musk cut your daily post allowance? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
its really a schmaltzy scene that doesnt add anything. my only real complaint with the film. the music even.
Blade Runner 2049
Name of the Rose
Amelie
Irreversible
Crank
>Crank
Lol
The sex scenes are pretty critical to the plot
Requiem for a Dream
You can just imply sex.
They did it all the time in the 50s and 60s, with the Hays code.
However sometimes the sex scene itself is relevant to the plot, so it's a case by case basis, like 90% of issues.
A woman made that post didn’t she? And she’s a libtard too and probably a prostitute who protested over the Supreme Court decision, is unmarried, no kids, and on the verge of expiring
I cannot think of a single good sex scene. They're always awkward to sit through, and they're rarely ever genuinely erotic or hot beyond just a basic level of "hey, famous actress breasts," if there's even any nudity at all
i don't know about you all, but i can't possibly believe that Harry really likes Sally without 20 minutes minimum of hardcore doggystyle action
It's true that sex changes the dynamic of the relationship. The scales fall from your eyes as you realize that's all you really wanted from her, and your interest cools off sharply.
The sex scene taking place yes, seeing it is irrelevant and exists only as lame titillation for dipshits who don't know what porn is. If you're not doing something interesting with it like BR2049 then don't do it at all, also that bullshit sounds like a woman wrote it which makes it less than worthless.
It's not about plot, it's about atmosphere
No sex scene in a Hollywood movie has ever remotely realistically displayed sex, so this is a bullshit take. Sex scenes are always of the rolling around groping eachother kind rather than flop flop flop ballsack swinging around kind.
So practically every movie made before the 60s was all incels?
Anyone whose primary criteria for analyzing a film is whether it "advances the plot" is a brainlet in the first place and not worth discussing anything with
Don't agree but I'm a virgin so that's exactly what i would think.
Virgins tend to be sex obsessed. Not the opposite.
autism was a mistake
It's degenerate. Return to tradition.
Where are all these gratuitous sex scenes everyone's talking about? Big budget Hollywood films almost never have them (Oppenheimer being a notable exception), and I know you plebs aren't watching European indie flicks.
I guess there's horror movies, but gratuitous sex is a staple of the genre so it feels like a bizarre thing to complain about.
Scenes where nothing but somebodys back is shown and the characters are breathing heavy is enough to make these types sperg out.
You spend too much time on this site if you think they're the only ones annoyed. Some people just want to bring their families to a period/war drama and not deal with it.
>death good, (even just mild) sex bad.
moronic Americans.
Just wanting a historical story doesn't mean they all indulge in war. It could have easily been some antiwar flick and they may not have wanted it too.
I don't personally give a shit about these scenes, but what's more annoying is all of you playing stupid and trying to gaslight as if this is all unreasonable and unthinkable and everything in the present is how it's always been. You're just full of shit and here in bad faith.
isn't that why the rating system exists? kids are gonna get bored as frick watching a period/war drama too, their parents shouldn't subject them to that
I'm guessing we're talking about little kids because you're suggesting they would get traumatized by the kind of sex scene a hollywood period/war drama would have, and I can't imagine it being very explicit
>Where are all these gratuitous sex scenes everyone's talking about
action movies used to have them in the 80s and 90s, until Cranked sort of put an end to it with the most over the top sex scene in a mainstream movie ever
There's a sex scene in every episode of every episode of television now. Usually the woman being a huge bawd but she's courageous and living her best life.
And guess who is writing all modern television? Women. They ruin everything.
>Where are all these gratuitous sex scenes everyone's talking about?
Older movies. And they were primarily put in to get dudes into theatres because that is how they could see a naked breasts and ass before the internet. A lot of b-movies especially in the 80s and early 90s are guilty of throwing bad sex scenes and breasts at the screen for that exact reason, and more often than not failing to do what good movies like Basic Instict, Damage, etc. were doing with nudity and sex because they were just imitating rather than telling a story. I mean look at something like Sliver or Body of Evidence or even Jade. They’re trying to ape better movies by all sexy and shit and they’re shit specifically because the sex isn’t used to actually to move the plot or develop characterisation, it’s there to copy more successful movies because they think nudity was what made the movies they’re ripping off good.
The irony of your argument is that as gratuitous sex scenes have dwindled from screens, movies have become much worse and the industry is in freefall.
What an idiotic conjecture.
It's not wrong though. They removed sex scenes and have replaced them with condescending monologues at the audience.
Correlation isn't necessarily causation you fricking moron.
Never said it was. I said it was ironic and you started seething.
You implied that the movie industry got worse due to the removal of sex scenes. Why the frick would you mention this if you weren't implying causation?
>as gratuitous sex scenes have dwindled from screens, movies have become much worse and the industry is in freefall.
Note how that quote never said it was DUE to that and was on observation that it was ironic. The rest was your own ego spiraling.
You're an actual idiot. It's funny the lengths people will go to to just not admit they said something really stupid. You said his argument was ironic, not your own post, idiot. And if you weren't implying causation, you literally had no reason to even mention it.
>culture warrior makes shit up in order to whine about imaginary things
>defending something that doesn't exist
>having sex complete changes the dynamics of character relationships
Its not big deal though and you should do it casually with strangers.
Only women like them, to the point where they're confused and dislike if a film doesn't have one.
>scene ends
>hard cut to two characters fricking
>they both finish and collapse, exhausted
>lights cigarette
>sudden exposition dump that could have been done in three other scenes
>SEE IT WAS NECESSARY IT ADVANCED THE PLOT!!!!
I just don’t get it. Yes, this could happen in real life but it never feels organic in movies/shows. Especially when we knew the two characters were already fricking, it doesn’t change their relationship at all.
if the plot revolves around their relationship (ie a romantic comedy or other shit for women), then it advances the plot
if it's a movie for men, then the romance subplot is usually superfluous filler to keep the lesser sex somewhat engaged between phone texts
I guess, but the sheer number of stories about romantic relationships that don't show the sex but nevertheless depict full, developed characters and intimacy reveal it to be inessential the vast majority of the time. The real reason to include the sex is for the imagery itself.
Very weak writing when you have to show sex to explain that people care for eachother. Much like voiceover of a character's thoughts instead of illustration/actions of their current mood.
>le show not tell
>don't show sex scenes tho
I think you got some wires crossed in your brain and mixed up two different NPC phrases you never once thought about.
Yes, because showing the range of growth between characters can create all sorts of great moments for the film (not using sex) think of Garden State or Lost in Translation, hell even something like Elizabethtown.
>(not using sex)
...Why? Because you said so?
Of all the Iconic films that have been made, the only true way to use 'sex' as a necessity is Federico Fellini 8 1/2
Casanova might've been pushing the boundaries but still a fine film.
I don't get why people feel compelled to have it be all one thing or all another. Some sex scenes suck and don't matter. Others do. I could easily write a scene that informs a specific relationship dynamic through the sex itself or otherwise convey different moods or story elements through a sex scene. It isn't even difficult.
You know what comes to mind for sex scene that grows the characters- Conan the Barbarian. You see the man overcome lust in one sequence and then the next one, he is actually vulnerable and overall changes how he reacts to the world.
Exactly stuff like that. You could also show impotence to convey anxiety and frustration and shit like that. Or any number of other things. Even schlock like the A Song of Ice and Fire books used sex effectively to convey the shifting relationship between Daenerys and Drogo with her changing from a voiceless frickmeat slave that he pounds to him treating her more equally where she slowly convinces him to allow her to ride him during sex. I never watched the show so I'm not sure if it's depicted the same but it probably is.
If there's a couple, it's presumed they have sex or have had sex, so the scene is unnecessary.
If a male and female character develop a relationship in the movie and that becomes physical, it's still not required to see the sex. They can kiss, touch, and it can simply be heavily implied. They don't have to show the scene.
People are civilised animals repressing primal urges. It makes lots of people uncomfortable as frick to see these primal urges openly displayed. This is why we hide it from children, why public nudity is banned, why people tut when people passionately kiss in public, and so on. Movies don't get a pass. Stop inserting it into every fricking film
Actually you just made me realize women need them in films for them to enjoy it because their brains are fricking fried
We need to start beating them again
The people vehemently arguing for sex scenes itt are almost certainly women or a parody of them.
it's more that romance is needed to keep women interested in films they see with their significant other
a sex scene (with at least some breasts) is (was) then a gesture to keep the boring romance palatable for the men
The boobs have always been to lure in adolescent and teenage boys. They were the ones trying to rent those films or get their hands on them to see it. Modern adolescents just watch porn so it can't really meaningfully be used to lure in the same amount of horny teens.
I can't even really picture any man over like 22 being excited about film boobs.
men never grow out of seeing attractive women naked and it's not just random breasts, it's celebrity breasts
like i said, the nudity was an olive branch to shoehorn in romance
if they are going to dump the sex scene, dump the romance subplot too
How is Salt Lake in the summer? Always wanted to visit.
How is California? Surprised you're shitposting here instead of attending your mandatory drag queen storytime.
KEK, are you really from Mormon country?
This logic can be extended to every scene in any movie. There's no need to show anything. Just imply it.
What do sex scenes that are unrelated to the story add?
What does any scene unrelated to the story add? Plotgays get the rope. Go read the wikipedia plot summary if that's all you care about.
Lots of them add character development, but sex scenes don't. Tell me what you learn about a character from watching them have sex.
The average person is way too horny and it's ruining entertainment
I feel like movies have way less sex scenes now than they did in the 80s and 90s
It was going to see porn without the stigma.
>It's in the middle of the movie, what am I supposed to do, close my eyes and go LA LA LA LA?!
>I feel like movies have way less sex scenes now
Literally who: I HAVE AN OPINION
how am I supposed to know if the characters like each other if they don't include a sex scene?
>seeing the actual sex informs a lot about those dynamics
>but don't you dare ask if Claire still has her penis you bigot
Explain how the sex scene in BR2049 was unnecessary.
anon that whole movie was unnecessary
Women will say this but in the same breath say the opposite about a rape scene, even though a rape scene arguably has even more of an impact on character relationships, dynamics and how the audience feels about the victim & perpetrator
I think they're just worried about traumatizing or upsetting people who were raped. Or they might complain if it tries to humanize a rapist or stalker or something.
Why are they happy to insult virgins but not rape victims?
Probably because a lot of incel men are extremely hostile and rude towards them but rape victims are victims that they pity? It's hard to feel sorry for a group of people who spend most of their time screaming at you that they hope you die in a fire.
Lots of rape victims are rude and hostile too though.
Don't know what to tell you. I feel more sorry for my friend's mother that was raped in the 70's than I do for you not being able to get laid.
>Don't know what to tell you.
Seems to be a running theme for your posts that you don't know what to say when your views are challenged because youve just been parroting shit you read on Reddit and haven't seen any posts that you can regurgitate for the specific questions being asked of you now.
I was using it for emphasis, moron. Nice try. I don't have a Reddit account.
You don't need a reddit account to read it. You very obviously do read it extensively.
I don't. I've probably visited Reddit like 100 times in my entire life, usually because Google puts it near the top of most searches and if I'm trying to find something, it might be posted there. I've never, ever willingly browsed Reddit in my life.
I just don't agree with bitter incels and I'm not going to try to "fit in" here by pretending to agree with boneheaded morons.
Sure thing, we all believe you
I couldn't possibly care less if you believe me or not.
you should get one because it's where you belong
Is she hot?
>raped in the 70's
Obviously not. She's like 75 or something.
Most women do deserve to be set on fire let's be honest
more like one category are predominately male and the other predominately female
no need for you to cope further than that
No both categories are predominantly male. Most virgins are male and so are most rape victims.
>Probably because a lot of incel men are extremely hostile and rude towards them
You are delusional, you fricking homosexual.
go to therapy then, not the movies
>I think they're just worried about traumatizing or upsetting people who were raped.
Yeah wouldn't it be just awful if a movie made you feel something visceral.
>Or they might complain if it tries to humanize a rapist or stalker or something.
Rapists are human beings, whether they like it or not. Humanising a rapist would be really compelling either way, as it would give the viewer a really complex view of the character but such things have very rarely been done, I recall one movie that's done it about a repentant rapist on death row.
>Yeah wouldn't it be just awful if a movie made you feel something visceral.
Yeah, it would. If I were anally raped, I doubt I'd want to go out to watch entertainment and have that trauma brought back to my mind by some vicious prison anal rape scene or something.
>Rapists are human beings
You just seem like an edgelord butthole and apparently don't understand the meaning of the word humanize. If you want some kind of movie full of rape and sympathetic towards rapist, I really have nothing to say to you except you're a massive dickhole.
Women should not be allowed on this site. Go back.
I'm male and not even a liberal, before you try that cope.
You will never be a man.
Projection
>I doubt I'd want to go out to watch entertainment and have that trauma brought back to my mind
so don't? why should everything and everybody have to suffer for your problems?
So a rape scene not being explicitly depicted in a film is "suffering" for you? It's really funny hearing the types of things you guys say. The funny thing is I don't even give a shit whether films have rape or not, I'm just playing devil's advocate and so far you guys have argued that you wish films included more rape and were sympathetic towards rapists. Are you even thinking about the shit you're typing and why other people agree with them more than they agree with you?
movies being watered down for your pussy sensibilities makes everybody suffer, yes
Explain to me why a graphic rape scene is a necessity in a film, edgy-kun
It entertains me
>omg why do the leftists keep winning!?
>how does the general public not get that we're the good guys!? its so unfair!
>why yes, i do enjoy watching rape for entertainment
Top kek. Even if it's ironic, you can't defend your beliefs. It's always amusing when incel morons see themselves as victims and can't understand why everyone is repulsed by them.
Why are sex scenes necessary in film?
I don't think they are for the most part.
>for the most part
Okay so you make exceptions. Why are THOSE sex scenes necessary in film?
Depends on the film and the story and how central it is to it. Some sex scenes are superfluous and make a film worse. In most cases, you can probably convey what you want to without the necessity of a sex scene, but they can be good and pivotal in a film. Filming a graphic rape scene is almost always unnecessary.
Before you think this is some kind of gotcha, I never once said sex scenes are necessary but rapes are not. I don't think sex scenes are all that impactful or important and I never claimed otherwise. I think leftists want to exclude rape scenes whenever possible because a much larger portion of the population has been traumatized by rape and it may make them not enjoy a film whereas nobody is really going to miss the inclusion of a rape scene. Sex as an inclusion is much more bland.
>Depends on the film and the story and how central it is to it
Detail to me how you would make The Last House on the Left without rape. Or Irreversible. Or The Hills Have Eyes. Or A Clockwork Orange.
I've only seen one of those films but the simple answer is that you can depict a rape occurring without graphically showing it.
Detail to me how you would do it. Whatever the one film is that you saw (pleb), detail your fix. Remember: Your version has to be as impactful, harrowing and character-driving as the original.
No? I don't need to do that for my argument to be correct. I'm not a screenwriter or film director. What kind of stupid shit is this? Should I ask you to write a fresh compelling rape scene?
>No?
I accept your concession. That was easy.
The fact that you think asking me to write a script and my refusal to do so was somehow a refutation of my argument is genuinely funny.
>genuinely funny.
You're not much of a commenter either 2bh. Should probably give it up.
Much more intelligent and better debater than anyone in this thread, though.
You're funnier, I'll give you that much.
Just superior in all ways to you sad fricks, really. Not that that's some badge of honor. You're basically bottom feeders, so dunking on you is more fun than gratifying.
Go take a midol
So superior, you've spent over an hour straight on a site you hate arguing with people that are supposedly inferior to you.
Yes. Also, I don't hate this website. I just hate weak, bitter incel gays like you.
You're my inspiration. I hope I can rise to your greatness one day.
Sorry, kiddo. Unlikely to ever happen.
You can also depict sex occuring without graphically showing it.
I never claimed you couldn't. Leftists just prefer to omit graphic rape depictions because they're more likely to be upsetting to a wider audience than just sex is.
You are such a woman it's unreal.
YWNBAM
Projecting.
You're a bitter incel that can't defend his own opinions. I'm never going to see eye to eye with you because you're pathetic. You're not a man, you're an angry little boy.
Based anons, remember to wear your rape goggles
It's adds levity.
art imitates life, right?
the darkest corners of the human experience have been put to film and rape should be no exception
if you can't handle it, just kys
So we should just show graphic scat pornography? Make video games where the entire point is the realistic stalking, rape, and murder of children?
Again, you wonder why nobody agrees with you idiots and you lose these arguments over and over again. You're not advocating for a better society. You just want everyone to be as miserable and jaded as you are.
Why is it okay to show murder and torture in films but not rape?
I can think of multiple games off the top of my head that feature crimes against children heavily. Actual mainstream games too.
kek you're the one that just had 4 replies disagreeing with you m8
fricking delusional
Right but I'm posting in a den of smelly incels. The fact that 4 people disagree with me here is a good thing. If the broader population were to bother reading this thread, they would all say I absolute assfricked you morons. Though in polite PC language, of course.
i'm glad there was a round of applause in your head
For the exact same reason that sex scenes are.
>you wish films included more rape and were sympathetic towards rapists
Yes. Go back.
>Yeah, it would. If I were anally raped, I doubt I'd want to go out to watch entertainment and have that trauma brought back to my mind by some vicious prison anal rape scene or something
Well you don't need to mess around with hypotheticals, because I am myself a victim of rape and sexual assault when I was a child - yet I can detach a real life crime committed against me from an artistic medium and if anything gain a lot of catharsis from such movies.
>You just seem like an edgelord butthole and apparently don't understand the meaning of the word humanize. If you want some kind of movie full of rape and sympathetic towards rapist, I really have nothing to say to you except you're a massive dickhole.
Very low IQ response. Downfall humanised Hitler, does that mean I am sympathising Hitler? No, its a more realistic and interesting depiction of a real human being with real human flaws, compulsions and reasons guilty of heinous crimes, and while it doesn't excuse them it acts as an extremely interesting character study.
Stop getting offended at rape scenes on my behalf hon when you know nothing of what I have been through, I don't need to live in a bubble wrapped world.
>Well you don't need to mess around with hypotheticals, because I am myself a victim of rape and sexual assault when I was a child - yet I can detach a real life crime committed against me from an artistic medium and if anything gain a lot of catharsis from such movies.
Your anecdote doesn't matter. Most rape victims don't like being reminded of their trauma and they're trying to be mindful of them. I'm sure some PTSD victims can handle extreme situations that would otherwise trigger a violent reaction in others, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to be careless about things that might set them off.
>Very low IQ response.
Obviously talking about your own post.
>Downfall humanised Hitler, does that mean I am sympathising Hitler?
Based on your posts? Yes. That aside, there is a massive difference between depicting Hitler in a more realistic fashion and depicting a graphic rape scene. They're not the same thing.
It's not about the plot per se always, it's about character development, fleshing out relationships and making the world more three-dimensional.
Sex is what women throw in when they can't do that, which is pretty much always.
Sex scenes can be good for developing plot or character, Like Terminator or Oldboy, but most American films just use them for titillation because sex is the last big taboo in American TV and film.
I only watch movies that are only sex scenes, the plot never gets more advanced than that.
Non-virgin here, and I still think sex scenes are unnecessary, gratuitous, and uncomfortable. You can just as easily skip it and do the "next morning" thing to establish relationship dynamics.
Rome and Breaking bad use sex scenes to show the change in character relationships as well as in the protagonists' mental/emotional state.
Real people are complex and layered. They keep their true selves hidden both from the outer world and to themselves. Placing them in intimate/primal situations like sex is a way to have some of their more inner behaviours come to the forefront (not saying it is the only way to do it or that it's always done with that purpose).
>someone disagrees
>call him a virgin
i hate women so much it's unreal
This person talks like somebody who would irrationally and illogically defend sex scenes in movies.
>how dare you say it doesn't advance the plot, it affects non plot related things!
OK? Why are you obsessed with sex?
So taking psychiatric drugs and find a healthy way to deal with your mental issues.
Sex and the desire for sex are healthy and normal.
What does that have to do with the plot of a movie? Try to keep track of the actual conversation. This is what I mean by obsession, you can't even keep up with the conversation.
Oh, so that's what sex scenes are for?
I never thought of it that way in my 44 years of life.
I doubt a single person itt has ever had sex.
No, because the person didn't explain how sex scenes advance the plot. Instead, they strawmanned.
Sex scenes rarely advance a plot and they rarely add depth to characters. The person in OP is just mad someone doesn't think sex is necessary in film because they're sex-obsessed.
Yes, the same could be said about action scenes and most interactions, and every time it would be just as stupod stupid. But since nobody says it the anti sex scene Black folk get to claim the monopoly on the moronation
plenty people say action scenes commonly don't advance the plot how fricking new are you?
Guess I was wrong and the prudes aren't the only ones taking the short bus
Name an explicit sex scene that has no bearing on the plot but only develops the characters relationships with each other. I'll wait.
Daenerys and Drogo, as I said earlier in the thread. There's plenty of examples.
>that has NO BEARING ON THE PLOT
Daenerys and Drogo doesn't fit the criteria. Try again.
How the frick do you even differ between whatever "plot relevant" and "character development" is? Adson having sex with the girl in The Name Of The Rose doesn't technically have any bearing on the plot at all, but is also pretty much the most important scene in the movie, even the title is pretty much from that scene.
>having sex completely changes the dynamic
Lol no, two people who've known each other hooking up can be seen from a mile away by everyone else.
Lmao that's actually a virgin take. Sex only matters to those who never or rarely have it. Sex is no more impactful for a relationship than anything else, unless it's really bad.
Sex ought to be in private and between a man and woman who are married to each other, actors are almost never married to each other in sex scenes and even simulating sex is pornographic and immoral
It matters like it matters to see a character eat breakfast with his family in the morning. The way it's done can reveal something about the character. There are also different ways to have sex you know
>having sex completely changes the dynamics of character relationships
But the scene in which they have sex is completely unnecessary even if this is true (which it isn't)
Sex scenes are (often) bad because sex is inherently ridiculous and disgusting if you aren't already in a state of lust (i.e. if you're in the middle of watching a srs movie or if you've just jerked off).
The amount of faux-puritanism on here is bizzare. Most of you don't truly believe any of the shit you say.
I don't give a shit, I like seeing naked women and I don't feel the need to explain myself.
SEX GOOD
VIRGINS BAD, CRAZY
Women are worthless stupid prostitutes and have ruined film and television in varying ways, this being one of them.
>Changes character dynamics
Pretty much never does in movies.
The main reason you don’t see much sex and nudity is because studios don’t want their movies be R-rated anymore for maximised profits (because it directly limits how many people can go see it) and because it doesn’t really drive ticket sales anymore when you can just watch porn.
>Nolan adds a sex scene to get women into the theatre
>They criticize him for not having enough sex and also not enough blacks
What the frick is wrong with these women
No
History of Violence is the only movie I can think of where the sex scenes are important.
what is sex like btw
Women are awful, Anon. Keep your purity.
They also live in a candy land where corpos are their friends because they make their avatar gay once a year
>They also live in a candy land where corpos are their friends because they make their avatar gay once a year
Absolutely, though I'd say that's true of everyone. Liberals just currently dominate corporate interests so they pander to them. I actually envy them a bit because while the dumber ones are deluded enough to think these corporations actually give a shit about their interests, the smarter of liberals have just learned how to manipulate capitalism and make these corporations work in their best interests through lobbying their own demographic power. Something conservatives had done 40 years ago but the youngest generation of them is lazy, passive, and entitled.
Bag of sand
>SEX SCENE thread
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mfw
Women are so virulent in their defense of sex scenes because movies is their porn. Their form deep imaginary bonds with actors and singers beyond mere physicality, but they also need their release. Imagine if you cut off access to porn sites for coomers; this is what you're doing to women right now, taking away their coom with their imaginary husbands.
it was only good in zach an miri make a porno, but you still had to watch that evil israelite seth rogans face in the scene so it technically is bad
most directors just dont know how to make good sex scenes, they're just bad at directing
if every sex scene was well directed it would be fine but usually its just close ups on 2 actors making :O faces and gasping, it's always the same scene in every movie
Unless someone dies during it I don't care.
It's long been settled that sex scenes are pointless. There are no good arguments for their inclusion, nothing is said that couldn't be said with an implication. They're just a waste of time and any movies where sex scenes are "integral" are a waste of time in and of themselves.
Think we can compromise and not show the sex scene imagery but keep the sound. Like just turn off the lights.