Do we still hate Tom King? I've been in a coma for two years so I am not up to date on things
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Do we still hate Tom King? I've been in a coma for two years so I am not up to date on things
Yes. He is terrible. It is just that he usually stays within his own lane with Elseworlds. It was only recently he got the main Wonder Woman book.
Plus others like Tom Taylor and Tini Howard are worse.
>Plus others like Tom Taylor and Tini Howard are worse.
Absolutely. As much as I hate King. Taylor and Howard are on a whole other level of shit.
The hate is still there and now all the stuff Cinemaphile praised from him is now hated.
There were like 10 anons who liked Omega Men. I’m sure they still have stupid opinions.
>Do we still hate Tom King?
Strange Adventure was worse than the wedding, and I gave up on Danger Street once Metamorpho killed a kid.
Fricking based anon, did the same
What’s with King and having children killed? His weird new Batman side story (non canon lol) has the joker killing one family every night and Batman jobs so he can’t stop him
>What’s with King and having children killed?
he was in the cia, he has had a hand in the killing and raping of thousands of children.
He killed a lot of Muslim kids when he was a CIA glowBlack person. Now he has ptsd and uses comics as therapy to cope with his guilt and shame
He's an edgelord. Almost as cringey as the Penguin RUINING A MAN'S LIFE FOR LAUGHING IN HIS DIRECTION
>Almost as cringey as the Penguin RUINING A MAN'S LIFE FOR LAUGHING IN HIS DIRECTION
Numerous other writers have done this. This is just King stealing other people's work and writing it like shit. I'd suggest you read Penguin; Pain and Predjudice
>Metamorpho killed a kid.
Was it an evil kid?
Yes, and scott snyder too, don't forget about that.
King fricking sucks
That said he's better than those who came after him. The quality difference between the current run and old Batman books like Shadow of the Bat and Legends of TDK is laughable
I hate only a handful of modern comic writers because even hacks and morons can write a good book here and there, yet Tom King... almost everything from him is just pretentious overrated trash.
You can torture people with his Heroes in Crisis or Batman, they will tell you everything just so you stop
What's the best post 2010s Batman run then, Morrison's? I'm thinking it's Morrison's run Snyder's is decent up until Year Zero then falls apart but the only memorable thing about it entirely is The Court of Owls. King's wasn't too bad until the wedding fiasco happened and it went off the rails after that until he eventually got fired from the book from my own personal enjoyment I'd rank the three like this:
Morrison>King>Snyder
Morrison and Tynion 4
Congratulations on not dying, OP.
Yes, we still hate Tom King, and most other writers at DC and Marvel.
Kings worst failing is dialogue. Some of his story concepts I liked a lot, mainly at the beginning like Gotham Girl, City of Bane. But there’re butchered by his lack of understanding how human beings speak
Yes, he's terrible, and i used to defend him here
Gerads just as bad
Gerads literally traces photos with photoshop filters and they gave him an eisner for it.
>Gerads literally traces photos with photoshop filters and they gave him an eisner for it.
Exactly my point. I called him out on blatantly tracing Henry Cavill for a booze ad and he got extremely riled up trying to act flabbergasted like he had no idea what I was talking about. Even spastically tagged Cavill into the convo like "Hey Henry, this clown thinks I based this character on you, when it's really uh, my father, isn't that ridiculous, can you even believe that, like!?!?" Would be funny if Henry saw it and called his lawyer bc that's the last it ever appeared.
Yes
Tom King's Catwoman "romance" that dragged on for like two years made me hate Catwoman more than this current shitty Catwoman event did
how do you come out of that hating her and not batman lmao
I hate Catwoman because she turns Batman into a pussy whipped b***h just by being around.
so you're a homosexual or an incel, I see.
DC killed their own comics....Everything I've read in the past few years have been TERRIBLE.
Sounds like you're pretty bad at finding stuff. Why don't you read the good DC comics?
>Why don't you read the good DC comics?
What good comics?
Waller Vs Wildstorm
Superman Lost
Sandman Universe
Superman: Space Age
Swamp Thing: Green Hell
Deathstroke
GCPD
Jimmy Olsen
>Waller Vs Wildstorm
>GCPD
People will hate on Strange Adventures but act like these were good?
>were
One of those isn't finished so thanks for letting me know you're criticising them without having read them, poser.
No anon just because they like Wallsr vs Wildstorm or GCPD doesn't mean it's ok for you to enjoy Strange Adventures.
Tom "i was a fake glowie" King is the reason of why this batman run is a shitshow.
The only saving grace has been The Flash, but even wally wont be safe of Jim Lee's homosexualry in continue DiDio's legacy and shit on johns
Flash is one of the most if not, the most inconsistent heroes in fiction. I can't stand watching or reading him in anything because his powers ruin all his stories.
>the only saving grace has been the bland, flavorless, fluff comic book
have a nice day.
>is the reason of why this batman run is a shitshow.
lol no, don't shift responsibility from the current shitty writers and incompetent editors onto one writer.
>Tom "i was a fake glowie" King is the reason of why this batman run is a shitshow.
It is not. The current run is bad because it's another run that's just retreading Morrison's shit.
https://spyscape.com/article/action-man-tom-king-the-cia-spy-turned-batman-author
He's a real glowie. He claims he was in the room when the CIA director was planning the invasion of Iraq
>Although King didn’t speak any foreign languages and hadn't traveled abroad, he was hired. Even before training at the CIA’s legendary Farm, King was working on the team planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. One of his craziest early memories was on the eve of the war. King walked into work on the night shift at 10 pm and found CIA Director George Tenet sitting in King’s chair.
>“It was very weird to be there at that moment when history was starting and to have, literally, the guy who was starting the invasion sitting in my chair. And being like, ‘Okay, can I use my computer now?’”
>he couldn't speak any foreign languages
Jesus christ his mom got him that job just like she got him this job.
Dude is a nepo baby.
Yep, he's a mega nepobaby who also has the power to keep his mom's identity out of the media despite her being a famous WB film executive. It reminds me of David Benioff. People only became aware his dad was Steven Friedman, former head of the NY Federal reserve after GoT season 8 ended. Benioff is a massive WB nepobaby too.
At this point you should assume everyone working at WB is a friend, relative or sex partner of someone else who works at WB and got their job that way. There's no talent-based hiring process, just hiring based on who you sleep with.
When I was working for a year at the DC office in Burbank, even the mailroom interns were nepobabies. I only got in because my boss recruited me as a non-nepo outsider who would be loyal to her. They fired my non-nepo boss after politicking her out 3 months in to my work, then office politicked me out a few months after. The nepobaby club works together to kick out non-nepobabies.
I thought what he did with Bane was okay and I don't think he's going to get a better story at least not for a while but it was better than seeing a rehash of Knightfall for the thousandth time
He wasn't on my radar until Mister Miracle, which IIRC came out between the start of his Batman run and the BatCat wedding. Maybe if I went back and tried some of those first books that first put him on the map I would have more luck, but aside from a few one-off short stories I haven't really enjoyed any of it.
Then again, I still like Mark Russell so what do I know.
Anyone who writes dogshit like City Of Bane should be hated.
Yes, he may be the worst Batman writer of all time and is just as bad at everything else.
What did he do to Batman? Make him more human. That sounds nice doesn't it. You people complain too much.
More like less human ayo.
How?
>how?
I mean this in the straightforward in that Batman did not behave in any realistic way.
Grieving over a break up is not realistic?
What's realistic about how Batman grieved?
He cried, punched walls and shut himself off from his support group. What part of that breaks your disbelief?
>What part of that breaks your disbelief?
The fact that's he's doing over a wedding.
So you've never been in a breakup so you can't understand basic human reactions?
People can react in any way possible so saying that potentially someone would react like that means nothing. The question is does the story justify how Batman is reacting?
>The question is (GOALPOST MOVING)
No, you answer my original question. How was Batman grieving over a breakup not realistic "in any way" like you claimed?
I already answered your original question though.
You only replied with more questions.
You said that fans hate Tom Kong Batman for acting too human, I said that was a load of shit because Tom King is a bad character writer which is true but you instead said that Batman acting like a sullen teenager over his first breakup is perfectly rational for man in his late 30s which I think is just more bullshit.
>because Tom King is a bad character writer
You said it was because it wasn't realistic. If you think getting stood up at the altar by your one true love you were ready to grow old with doesn't make you cry, this isn't King's fault.
No I said Tom King doesn't write Batman as more human but less because of his bad dialogue and character writing.
I'm responding to the poster who claimed "Batman did not behave in any realistic way." If you didn't make that post please don't butt in on the conversation.
This is the rare instance you're talking to the same guy. Because notice how I said "Batman did not behave in any realistic way." and in the most straightforward possible I mean that exactly the way I said.
>this is not a realistic way for Batman to behave.
Which you interpret as:
>this is not how a person would react in real life.
You see the difference?
>realistic
>/ˌrJəˈlJstJk/
>adjective
>representing things in a way that is accurate and true to life.
This is a pet peeve of mine when it comes to discussing to Tom King's books in that some chucklefrick will always claim realism to defend character acting irrational or in way that conflicts previously established personalities because hypothetical could act like that in real life.
You're phrasing that as if it were some kind of fallacy, when in fact is exactly how realism and verisimilitude in fiction works. And no, not every reaction is realistic for every possible scenario. It's not realistic to start laughing and feeling better than ever after a break up, for instance. Regardless, you're butting heads while reinforcing the original poster's point that King DID make Batman more human. Yes, you could say he didn't act like Batman would because the original poster's point is King developed him, changed him. Morrison and Snyder's Batmans were so godlike nothing shook them. King made him more human.
>Morrison and Snyder
You realize these two are occultist who see superheroes as the demon gods that were worshipped back in the day? That's why all their writing is so strange and new agey. And Scott loves throwing up the devil horns to remind you people.
I'm aware, yes. Although Snyder's writing isn't strange at all, he's very pedestrian and a sellout.
Scott's writing is definitely strange if you're not use to it.
>release the snydercut
The world is such a stage, the whole Snyder fiasco was a psyop. Zack is also a satanic occultist who did some screwed up things to rise to the top of industry. Then you got this clown here and CIA agents writing and tainting comics.
>occultist
>satanic occultist
Are you a grandma posting from 1986?
Shill
Do you even know what that word means? Did the d-d-d-DEVIL make you post that?
Payed shill
"Paid", friend. And by who? Satan? Is Satan paying me to post this?
Payed shill coming to defend shills. Typical.
"Paid"
"Shill"
Yes, that's spelled correctly. That's good. Hopefully you have now also learned to spell "paid" correctly. I await your confirmation.
>Defends Snyder(s)
Typical shill.
Now there you are mistaken, friend. I would die before thinking anything positive about Zack Snyder. I don't really care for Scott Snyder's run, but the hate is less intense. He's just mediocre.
Shill.
No shit.
I'm glad I was able to help you learn to correctly spell a word tonight, anon. It makes me happy knowing I helped a Cinemaphilemrade. With that success, I bid you good night. Respond "shill" to thank me. Or any other way, really.
>King DID make Batman more human
That is the fallacy though, that is the bad logic that I'm talking about. A character acting irrational doesn't equal realism
It doesn't equal logic, but irrationality is a very human trait. Are you the sort of person who rates movies according to "plot holes"?
The pendulum swings the other way though in that people also act rationally so it's a bullshit excuse.
Excuse for what? King making Batman act more irrationally makes him more human; this isn't debatable. It's irrelevant that rationality is also a human aspect, you're just arguing for the sake of it.
>King making Batman act more irrationally makes him more human
No it doesn't, that's bad logic you're using.
>No
Well, okay. Can't argue with that.
Well you're not gonna try because you know this as far you can go with while still remaining semi-believable.
Try what? There's not much I can say to "no."
If you're ok with saying that characters behaving irrationally is the only way you can write characters then yeah we end this so people can understand where this argument goes.
>is the only way you can write characters
Why do you have to paint me as a strawman? My argument is merely that King allowing his Bruce to make more mistakes and irrational moments than Morrison made him more human, as humans are irrational too.
But not all acts of irrationality are the same, an irrational Batman should act like irrational Batman. What less human about King's Batman is the lack of curiosity about Catwoman being in jail for murder.
>"I say you're a fraud. You're like me. You're dead, and the dead know that death is a choice and they don't take that choice from anyone. I looked you up because I had to, because you told a lie and I couldn't find the truth, but I need you to know, as you become problematic, violent, someday soon I'm going to free you."
>I couldn't find the truth.
Show, don't tell.
The two part "Rooftops" arc is about Batman rushing to clear Selina's name. Did you read the comics?
Yeah you know anon amazingly enough I didn't get to something that was 50 issues later.
It was issue 14.
Yeah in that case I did which means that two parter must have not actually done anything and just tried to handwave Batman ignoring her involvement with those murders.
All it means is you speedread it, moron kun. You can't even remember what you're discussing against.
>let's assume I didn't read this comic.
You can see yourself out. I don't talk to casuals.
What I'm seeing here is a person demanding everyone to explain themselves but then refuses to explain anything themselves.
I assumed I was debating people who had read the same material I did. I've posted pages, I've quoted issues, I've looked up dictionary definitions. All I've gotten back is "no".
A fifth grader can give a book report, are you dumber then a fifth grader?
If you don't remember the comics we're discussing about I'm not going to change your stance with a summary I could be making up for all you know. Just come back to this board once you've actually read comics. I don't even know why you opened this thread.
I remember the series well enough to know that the comic never had an answer to why Batman just let that go and went straight went to marrying her. You don't either because something tells you already posted the only page that you could use as proof.
>the comic never had an answer to why Batman just let that go and went straight went to marrying her
It was Holly. Holly was the killer. This was revealed in issue 15. That's why Batman "let it go". You do not remember the comic.
Yeah I remember that part but you're telling me Batman just lets that go? He just accepts that Holly Robinson killed 257 people which Selina took the rap for?
That's realistic writing for you.
No. They go pick her up. Read the fricking comic.
I did read the comic and obviously never left a solid enough impression.
Because it should be easy right? Just the page that proves your point...unless you already did and it didn't prove your point.
Catwoman is in jail for murder. Batman just leaves it at that? He doesn't look further then the fact that he can't prove she didn't do it? That doesn't sound like Batman.
Let me ask you something.
Did that two parter show us anything or is just purple pose?
Yes, it did. Thank you for asking! I'm sure it was just a polite question as you've definitely read them.
Well anon let's assume I didn't read this comic. Can you explain what this shows?
>Morrison and Snyder's Batmans were so godlike nothing shook them.
This is not an accurate characterization of Morrison's Batman at all. Morrison's run was all about the humanity of this godlike figure.
I'd say that was the start of the run on the heels of Infinite Crisis, but by the end he gets over Damian's death in a few panels and he doesn't really talk about Talia's death at all.
>You said that fans hate Tom Kong Batman for acting too human
I'm not a fan of King's take on Batman but this was absolutely true. It was a common criticism in the thread for early issues before the Batcat shit became an issue. A lot of anons felt that Batman was too vulnerable and weak.
Why the frick would I care about your secondhand summary of other people's opinion. I don't give a shit if their criticism of Tom King's Batman is the opposite of mine because that has no bearing on my opinion.
Are you a bot?
I like how the supposed Kinggays are just terrible gaslighters.
It's always why you wrong for not liking Tom King which is usually that you like the character too much.
It's probably all Tom King samegayging and running damage control for himself
He wrote what is arguably THE worst event of all time the big two have ever published, and that is taking into account the stiff competition, he should never EVER not be hated
Debate:
What was worse, Heros in Crisis, Identity Crisis, civil war 2 , Countdown to Infinite Crisis or Xmen vs Inhumans?
This comic is fake, Batman is gay
die homosexual
Kys stracuck
I haven't read comics in a while, but didn't this guy make Joker and Selina frick?
no
I hate ESLs
I hate all modern comics.
He's the most hated nepobaby glowBlack person in comics. Never forget he's the son of a former WB film executive (the media refuses to state which one, as does wiki)
his wonder woman is already worse than his batman
Tom King character assassinates ever character he touches.
And he can't plot worth a damn either.
This is a cool cover but it could be rendered better. Imagine if Tim Sale drew this.
it would be better if Selina didn't look like a 12 year old asian girl
I thought Tynions run was good for a while, to be quite honest. Dark Designs and Joker War were entraining and didn’t assasinate any characters. Fear State was shit however
King: What if we juxtaposed a tense or brutal sequence of events with the lyrics of a children's nursery rhyme or poem?
The Eisners: [bending over] Our bussy is yours, sir. Just brilliant.