>”do you accept?”
>”no im good.”
It was literally that simple. Was Duke Leto just fricking stupid?
“Hey do you want a planet that will make you direct enemies with house Harkonnen? They are insanely wealthy have vast resources and are incredibly cruel. It’s actually very likely they’ll come and kill you”. “Gee that sounds great. Obviously this isn’t a set up from the emperor. I’ll take it”. Does no one else realize how insane this whole set up is?
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Yes dumbass reject the Emperor's gift to you, that woudn't be an offence to him at all
You know roman/chinese/japanese emperors used to command their subjects to kill themselves and theyd actually do it?
It was accept or be destroyed
Bullshit the Landsraad would nip the Emperor if he did that.
In the book the Atreides are playing the power game and think they can win. It's purely self serving.
In the Empire, "The Forms Must Be Obeyed". If you break tradition, you will be sanctioned. The Landraad operates under this mutually agreed upon rule too. By refusing the Emperor's direct command, and one that is on the surface a beneficial one, the Duke has literally committed treason. The Emperor can have Duke Leto exiled to Tuipile and the gift Caladan to another Minor House to appease the Landsraad.
The Landsraad aligns with Atreides, but they don't "like" them and would happily take their holdings for their own.
Also, the Sardukar involvement is big time no no for the Emperor.
Finally, assuming the Sardurkar are out of the equation, Leto not taking Arrakis would be him signaling his weakness when his popularity is due to his perceived strength.
Atreides too would lose any respect or dignity they had and would be an easy target, while they were famous they weren`t a powerful house quite yet. it was a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation
If Atrides refused to take over the most valuable planet in the universe, other houses would assume they're a bunch of moronic cucks. And you don't place your bets with a bunch of moronic cucks, especially if that means open rebellion against the Emperor.
Leto had their respect and support, yes, but it wasn't blind. Other houses are still playing their own power games, they support Atrides as long as they think it's beneficial for themselves.
>have a nice day or I'll kill you!
Damn, tough choice.
It's not just about you, but also your family and loyalists losing their status. While by suicide you and your people were seen as having retained their honour.
Watch Shogun. You might learn something.
I learned that slant women love BWC but already knew that
Indeed it is.
A lot of these old civilisations lived by a strict code of honour, and while our perspective on that may think of that as cringey, back then having the chance to die honourably thus being promised to not be forgotten by history meant a lot.
An analogue would probably be asking you to either perform a sex-change or accept an anons opinion as correct. Neither is a good deal, but you may still remain honourable by the public choosing the correct option.
More like
>have a nice day or I strip everyone loyal to you of all their titles, your wife and daughters become sex slaves, and your sons will be killed or turned into castrated slaves working in the mines
I'll be dead what does any of that matter to me?
>who gives a shit about family, just let me play with my funkopops
you jerk offd more than 50 times the last month and haven't called your grandma once. Stop with this gay family posturing we all know it's a farce.
I literally arrived an hour ago at my parent's house for easter and grandma is coming by on Sunday.
Seek help and stop letting your desire to be edgy ruin your life.
You have jerk offd more than 50 times the last month and haven't called your grandma once.
I noticed you didn't dare challenge that claim.
what an awkward projection.
>le nothing le matters xD
>incel
no, the answer is pretty easy, ones gives you a chance
In the books it's heavily implied that Leto is a drug addict and needs the spice revenue.
They cut that part out of the movie so him going doesn't make any sense.
This isnt true at all. Leto knows its a trap from the start and is trying his best to manuever around it.
I was going to reply in earnest but your post is too dumb for that.
>In the books it's heavily implied that Leto is a drug addict
What
Leto took uppers in order to be extra charismatic for public appearances. But he is never described as addicted. It's not even slightly implied. The addictions all happened on the Harkonnen side, where Piter was hooked on Spice, Nefud was on Semuta.
8/10 funpost
>dishonoring the name of my Duke
A fricking Duke needs to run a planet to sustain his drug addiction kek no.
I think that is just in there to show that using PEDs is commonplace in this world, that there are PEDs made for every circumstance of life, and that everything they do is so important that they cant afford to frick it up due to not being on big brain drugs.
Remember Leto is not just the king of some country, he's the leader of a faction within a galaxy spanning empire.
Stop lying, you piece of shit
LOL leto has like 50 pages of relevancy in the book and it isn't even implied he uses spice. Let alone has an addiction to it. also spice addiction is blatant cause they look like 'wine stains' on their lips. This is replaced by the gay lip tattoo in the books.
Leto in the books is 90% sure it's a trap because he's good at what he does and the other houses like him. He knows harkonnen hates him so he is 100% expecting them to retaliate when they take over, this is confirmed by some machinery being broken, but he gets tipped off when the extent of the damage is less than what he would have expected. He starts to think it's almost as if they expect to return to the planet. He puts it together a little too late cause theres a lot of red herrings left by the harkonnens, i don't think he is fully aware of the emperors support until theyre attacked and they notice sardakuars.
lip tattoo in the movies* I'm gay.
>spice addiction is blatant cause they look like 'wine stains' on their lips
No thats sapho juice. The only mentat with a spice habit is Piter de Vries, Hawat doesn't use it afaik
Lol im gonna start posting bait like this from now on.
When I was young my Momma gave me some advise,
She said "Boy don't you know everybody's got a price?"
They were already in open hostilities with the Harkonnen. Kanly. Taking their enemy's money printer planet was a big W.
Desert power Black person, he knew he was going to be up against the Emperor at some point or another, going to Arrakis gave him a chance to do it with the Fremen on his side
>On Caladan we ruled by air power and sea power.
>On Arrakis we need to rule with White Power
How the frick did he get away with that line?
So since Dune turns to shit after the attack is there any actual "feudal families allying and sheming" kinos?
I haven't watched it yet but isn't Shogun about this?
yes basically, and the first half of game of thrones is also good for this
Three Kingdoms if you don't mind subtitles
link?
my homie
This. It's utter kino. Nobody schemes like the fricking Chinese
He couldn't refuse. It was either accept, or pack up everything he could carry and frick off into unknown space. I can't remember why, but the characters make this clear.
>build up your alliances with the other houses who look to the Atreides for guidance
>Leto is the hottest unmarried noble in the Landsraad right now, an exemplary noble of his time
>Publically rebuff the emperor as he is about the bestow a great gift unto you
>Either start the rebellion early or lose all respect by the other houses
Yeah nah
The only actual plot hole was why the emperor didn't just marry his daughter to either Leto or Paul to bring him in the family.
I think it's explained in the book but I know at one point they mention that the Emperor basically sees Leto as the son he never had and laments having to frick him over, but the fact of the matter is that the Atreides are getting too big for their britches and too popular with the Landsraad so he sees them as a risk to both his power and his income.
1. Leto is the annoying moralgay that is unwilling to overlook imperial corruption or incompetence, speaking out in public about it and being a buzzkill.
2. Because leto wanna murder all the harkonnens, but the empy won't let him.
the emperor is an insecure passive agresive c**t that doesnt want anyone to oversahdow him.
its pretty clear.
he is also very mad about Irulan not being a dude.
they were already enemies with the harkonnens
the conceptual issue is the whole having to give up caladan thing. because that makes it explicitly not a gift from the emperor but a demand and a rather tyrannical one at that.
being told to abandon your home that you have supposedly ruled for 10000 years seems like something you would be well within the right to deny, especially if you are supposed to have strong support amongst the other noble houses. the emperor is blatantly making a hostile move here.
if it wasnt for this, the premise would make sense. arrakis being an actual gift would be a challenge to refuse, as doing so would paint you as unreasonably defiant to the emperor and a likely enemy.
should have just been ‘the emperor gives you arrakis, on the one condition that house atreides relocates there to ensure spice production goes as smoothly as possible.’
He didnt give up caladan, some steward is in charge
>if it wasnt for this, the premise would make sense. arrakis being an actual gift would be a challenge to refuse
But it's literally seen as a gift, the emperor is giving them the planet that produces SPICE. Leto knows its a trap but he will take his chances because the fremen would be their biggest allies and hope and has no choice
Caladan was a fief managed by the Atreides but owned by the Emperor. It doesn't matter that they managed it for thousands of years, it was always the property of the Padishah and he absolutely had the right to order them to move to Arrakis.
Like you said it was an obvious, hostile power move but it was perfectly legal and Leto refusing would have been outright rebellious.
So what did the Atreides own?
The bragging rights.
On Caladan we ruled through air and sea, but here we need desert power.
Caladan was what they owned.
the fief of Caladan, which had been the family's home for more than 10,000 years
Count Hasimir Fenring was named Siridar-Absentia of Caladan. However, when House Atreides ascended to the Golden Lion Throne in 10193 AG following the Arrakis Revolt, Caladan once again came under the direct rule of the Atreides. This time, however, the fiefdom of Caladan was given to Gurney Halleck, who Paul trusted to rule in his absence.
The Emperor feared that House Atreides was about to usurp House Corrino. So he pulled this move.
why'd the emperor support the attack on the Atreides in the first place?
he was jealous of their growing popularity
He cannot refuse. I don't remember the particulars, perhaps it was because saying no would be considered an insult to the Emperor or a shirking of their duty, and it would justify the Atreides being openly attacked. Or perhaps it was something about all the power games going on in the Landsraad or the Guild. I'm not sure, it has been some years since I last read Dune.
But I clearly remember that Leto couldn't afford to outright refuse despite he (and everyone important in the Atreides) knowing it was a trap. The best they could do was prepare for it, make some contingencies and reach out to the Fremen.
Why did the Emperor publicly scorn the Harkkonens?
The Emperor directly controlled Arrakis by proxy, right? Via Fenris?
The Harkkonen administration was a new development and somewhat not totally formal, right?
Also why does it seem like the Empire of two generations ago even knew way more about the science of Arrakis than the current?
I thought he knew it was a trap, but if he successfully avoided the trap and started mass producing spice, they would be the strongest and richest house.
>its a trap
>I know
I hate this lazy trope.
dune sounds incredibly gay. like a soap opera. and no, im never gonna watch it or read the book
Capeshit seems more your speed.
Dune IS capeshit.
>science fantasy political intrigue
>capeshit
Let's just agree to disagre.
DUNC is capeshit.
Dune is just Dune.
Thanks for the input you ADHD dopamine fried zoomzoom.
Leto understood that he'd been backed into a corner, and that this move was the only possible way through. He knew there was a low chance of success. He weighed up the option of "going rogue" and rejected it.
House Harkonnen already hated House Atreides, they’ve been mortal enemies for generations. This plot started because the emperor wanted to kill off Leto.
Should have gone rogue. But the witches were manipulating him.
it was his best chance to win in the long run
Great baitpost
Them asking was merey a formality, denial was not an actual possibility.
I can't tell which looks worse in this pic: the shitty CGI backdrop or the comically obvious fake beard extensions. Denny is a hack.
Dune universe sucks balls
>Lawrence of Arab- uhhh... of Arrakis™
>feudalism but... in space
>jihad but... in space
>vgh i am become space hitler xd
>spice trade... in space (but spice = magic whenever I feel like it cuz why not lol)
>soldiers armed with knives and swords but... in space
>jews on a fricking synagogue planet out of the blue
>gentically acquired magical powers (???) because uhhh prophecies (in space)
>topic of technology handled in an embarrassing, to say the least, fashion
>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A SPACEWORM, MONEO! I'M SPACEWORM LETO!!!!
This is just a mix of sillyness and rehashed historical tropes, and when Herbert ran out of the latter (amerilard eduaction strikes again) he wrote nothing but nonsense and incest fanfics.
Dune fricking sucks and americans are cattle for making such shitty literature so big
The only good American scifi writers are PKD and Ellison
acquired magical powers (???) because uhhh prophecies (in space)
filmgays everyone
all of these are tropes BECAUSE of dune
>The only good American scifi writers are PKD and Ellison
>Not Robert A. Heinlein
Your pleb is fricking showing, gay
>Robert A. Heinlein
Farnham's Freehold adaptation when?
of Arab- uhhh... of Arrakis™
but... in space
but... in space
>>vgh i am become space hitler xd
trade... in space (but spice = magic whenever I feel like it cuz why not lol)
armed with knives and swords but... in space
>>jews on a fricking synagogue planet out of the blue
acquired magical powers (???) because uhhh prophecies (in space)
of technology handled in an embarrassing, to say the least, fashion
>>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A SPACEWORM, MONEO! I'M SPACEWORM LETO!!!!
Yeah, pretty much.
It's from the 60s, dude. All the things you mentioned were new and interesting ideas at the time.
>amerilard eduaction[sic]
No comment.
Why didn't he just send a subordinate to Arakkis instead of going himself? Why'd he bring his entire family if he knew it was a trap?
Duke Leto was a moron and deserved what he got.
because if he wanted to convince the fremen he had to do it himself
he thought he had more time
as weak as the duncs are it is made very clear in as many words
If I remember right there's a scene in the book (possibly the movie too) where he's discussing with Paul or Gurney the inevitability of a Harkonnen attack and thinking they'd have a few months with nothing but minor skirmishes and sabotage, and then a few hours later they've dropped like ten platoons of Sardaukar right on their doorstep
>”do you accept?”
>”no im good.”
Wish that was what Villeneuve had said when they offered him to direct DUNC.
I wasn't impressed by the book when I read it. Boomers liked that sort of thing I guess.
>It was a rhetorical question
>why did Leto take action when he could have done nothing
BECAUSE THE SLEEPER MUST AWAKEN
>“Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens.”
Prochnow Leto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gay beaner Leto
>British Emperor offers to name you sole governor of Saudi Arabia, except in this universe SA is the only place in the world where there is any oil at all
>in so doing you would be depriving your sworn enemy and rival of their biggest cash-cow and set your family up for generations
>Atreides are openly said by the Imperial Court to have the best trained and effective military of any Great House, even on par with that of the Emperor
Even knowing there would be some kind of Harkonnen trap left for him it still made sense for Duke Leto to take the chance and trust his military commanders to contain the situation. The Emperor directly intervening to bolster Harkonnen forces for the invasion was unthinkable because, if discovered, it would have provoked a galactic civil war and likely led to his ouster, even if the Atreides were successfully wiped out.
Additionally, I don't remember if this was covered in the movies, but the Baron indicates at one point that he basically indebted his Great House to the Spacing Guild something like 20 years of spice production to move the invasion force. Another hardly-thinkable act.
The fact is the Emperor was kind of a dumb ass for hatching this plan simply based on jealousy and fear of Leto as a rival. And the Baron was a dumb ass for going along with it, even if he had no real choice in the matter.
>20 years
It's 60 years, and that's assuming the Harkonnen manage to get spice production back up to 100% of what it was before they left and wipe out the Fremen so they can't keep sabotaging their mining operations.
On that note, does DUNC show or mention the Atreides destroying the spice reserves on Giedi Prime? Because that fricks the Harkonnen up even further.
>60 years
Wow, even worse than I remembered.
>does DUNC show or mention the Atreides destroying the spice reserves on Giedi Prime?
Not that I remember, which is said. Dennys really cut down a fun political intrigue spy/sabotage novel into a very minimal and straightforward "chosen one" story, which kind of makes me sad.
>does DUNC show or mention the Atreides destroying the spice reserves on Giedi Prime?
No, that means dialogue and Vilenullo hates that because he's moronic
>I don't remember if this was covered in the movies
vladimir says that it cost him decades of profits to pay for the logistics but not as a debt I thought but rather out of the pocket into near bankruptcy
I don't think spacing guild would go for debt as that would carry too high risk
yeah Harkonnens basically spent all the money they made from Arrakis to rent and transport the Sardukar corps (who in the book wear Harkonnen uniforms when they attack; in DUNC it is immediately known they are the Sardukar)
>I don't think spacing guild would go for debt as that would carry too high risk
Black person the entire fricking point is their foresight makes them think leto is going to cut them off from the spice, there is no risk too high
ask vladimir to borrow money if he doesn't have it ready, it's a good chance he gets deposed off dune at some point before he can pay off decades of harvest
and they know he has it since he's a richgay fresh off the dune
It's explained in more detail in the book, but Leto knew it was a trap all along. They communicate this more subtly in the movie with Leto's glances and hesitations during the ceremony. But had he declined the offer it would have given the emperor sufficient reason to wage an all out attack on him.
I assume this is b8 but I fear that you're actually this fricking moronic to think what you wrote
Why did you make this thread again after being completely BTFO last time you absolute Black person?
OP must like being btfo because Ive seen this exact thread a couple times now
It was always intended as an offer you cannot refuse. Refusing the offer would be giving offense to the Emperor, and he could probably justify stripping them of land or title. Accepting was the only option and as we well know it was still a terrible option because the Emperor and Harkonnens were already conspiring to destroy House Atrades
>Atrades
Sorry, my bad.
Arthritis.
Fairly sure if he refused it would be considered an offense to the Emperor and he would have not only the Harkonnen as well as the Empire and the other houses on his ass.
He knew it was a trap but he had no choice.
the plan was not without risks.
for the emperor giving leto full control of the spice is like giving a full loaded gun to the guy you try to kill to begin with.
>I'm allergic to sunlight but my boy Paul will go
Easy as that. Now the Harkonnen can't attack Dune because it would rightfully fall back to Leto.
How to fremen procreate whilst adhering to strict water discipline. Semen, veganal mucus, sweat are all heavy expenditures of your bodies water.
They need less water than normal humans due to the deus ex machina suits so
Verme Deus Ex Machina
Do it in a Still Tent, duh.
197740673(denied)
B8
All there in the manual
nofap, nocum, noporn for fremen only babymaking and other sex with fremen wife
>doom the tribe with wet dreams
fremen did not ejaculate their entire lives other than to impregnate their wives and could have sex with them without ejaculating.
beyond nofap, absolute mastery of their sexual function
Oscar Isaac was miscast. He does not at all have any chemistry with Timothee and Rebecca and doesn't embody the character at all. Colin Farrell would have been better.
i watched the movie from the 80s not 2 months ago
i cant remember a single thing about the movie except captain picard was in it, some sand in some sand planet is a drug that everyone is hooked on, some fat floating homosexual has an army bigger and better than the homosexual boomer sack of shit some young actor was playing the caracter but he is the chosen one or some horseshit and captain picard is on his side so the israelite in charge of the movie or book wants us to be on his side and trough power of sand people that have purple or LED blue light eyes the young kaang or whatever the frick defeats the ginger homosexuals and the emperor of humanity using sand and sand worms that i have seen what it seems thousands of times
thats all i remember about the book or the OG movie
i started watching the one with that hawaiian actor, then i realized its a remake so why the frick should i watch the same thing again
id rather watch the rusty peterbilt truck movie how he wants to kill that boomer homosexual in that shitty car in the desert and how he falls down the cliff
i wish i could communicate to israelites in charge of the movie making business, to tell them just to take that stick out of their ass for once, just for once, to see if a human being if that is what israelites by talmud consider themselves, just to see if humans should be living with an actual stick up their ass or not
No one cares about your adhd brainrot. Lynch's Dune was far superior.
>adhd brainrot
i fricking wish
i sat the entire time and watched the whole movie
im not interested despite watching it to the end
for comparison, i saw the ryan gosling movie, how he is a robot or a clone or some shit, had that cute 30 year old actress playing his AI gf, it was a nice movie
then i saw the OG movie from the 80s, which in my opinion was far superior
more fun to watch, more interesting, draws more emotions out of you than anything made in the last 40 years
i say 40 years because something really did happen in that time and i dont like it, never did accept it but everyone else seems like they did
that is what it means when someone is from /misc/ at the end of the day
Not sure if woman or metrosexual
I can't stop thinking about Rebecca.
This woman was tailor made by the GLOhomosexual to subvert ME IN PARTICULAR. And, I am ashamed to admit, that it's working.
watch Doctor Sleep
In Dune(1984) The Emperor literally explains his motivations to the Guild in the first scene. They have becoming too popular and powerful in the Lanstrad. He needs to kneecap them.
>ackually...BILLIONS MUST DIE
chud epic confirmed
he's so cute though! if he kills billions, then it's ok
They could show that enormous greed forced duke Atreides to accept that loaded offer but this would make him look not 100% good boy and low iq viewers can not comprehend such characters
>le heckin morally gray chonkerino
Herbert is a hack I want colorful characters that defeat the cartoonishly evil (but utterly ineffectual) villain as they embarass him and his comic relief henchmen by easily defeating him while quipping through the whole thing...
He was reckless and greedy, thinking he could outmaneuver the trap and seize control of the empire.
The Atreides aren't actually the goodest of boys, it's propaganda to command the respect and loyalty of their subjects.
>He was reckless and greedy, thinking he could outmaneuver the trap and seize control of the empire.
>The Atreides aren't actually the goodest of boys, it's propaganda to command the respect and loyalty of their subjects.
this does not exist
The Atreides do issue propaganda (which is not a synonym for lies) but life on Arrakis under their rule would have been vastly superior to when Harko shitheads were running it
>s do issue propaganda (which is not a synonym for lies)
they are not lies, they are truth when Atreides do it because they are not degenerate or twisted. Caladan is a great place to live. Their propaganda is not a deception.
>but life on Arrakis under their rule would have been vastly superior to when Harko shitheads were running it
My man did you forget about the 4000 years of feudal slavery the Atreides enacted?
>Atreides
Life under the Atreides was improving for everyone on Arrakis. The galactic jihad came later.
>galactic jihad
that was also under the Atreides fricktard
jihad
>that was also under the Atreides fricktard
yes mongoloid moron, that was what was written. Lean English.
But the ones to actually blame for the great number of dead were the Fremen and their excesses. Read the book.
Yeah like half a year later.
Wrong. Paul was seen as the potential lissan al gaib before the attack. Atreides would have and could have used the prophecy.
You're an idiot. Read the book.
>Atreides would have and could have used the prophecy
Leto would not have sanctioned such a thing and Paul would not go against his father
>Leto would not have sanctioned such a thing and Paul would not go against his father
Source? Source!
The character of the man as revealed in the book. He would never use the prophecy unless he sincerely believed it to be true. And he wouldn't believe it.
Leto literally acknowledges the prophecy as a potential tool to subjugate the Fremen in the book. He knew the survival of House Atreides depended on bringing them to heel, and he would have made usage of the prophecy if he had the time and the ability to do so.
entering arrakis was a dumb move to begin with,jessica knew what would happen if a well trained mind spent too much time in an enviroment in wich even the air has spice on it.
Leto's options were:
>Refuse the Emperor's command and either run off to Tupile or be destroyed as a renegade house
>Take Arrakis, but train the Fremen into the most powerful fighting force the universe had ever seen
No one foresaw that the Baron Harkonnen would literally cut off his own arm and a leg by spending 60 years of spice revenue to destroy House Atreides within days of their arrival.
that dumb witch should have warned leto.
getting paul into arrakis was like giving him steroids everyday for breakfast,lunch and dinner.
making him an unstoppable freak was not such a problem until the fremen wanted to go full jihad.
then everyone has turbofricked.
>Leto literally acknowledges the prophecy as a potential tool to subjugate the Fremen in the book
No, this is the extent of his 'acknowledgement' -
“Of course, my Lord. You asked what they were shouting, though. It was ‘Mahdi!’ They directed the term at the young master. When they—”
“At Paul?”
“Yes, my Lord. They’ve a legend here, a prophecy, that a leader will come to them, child of a Bene Gesserit, to lead them to true freedom. It follows the familiar messiah pattern.”
“They think Paul is this . . . this. . . .”
“They only hope, my Lord.” Hawat extended a filmclip capsule.
The Duke accepted it, thrust it into a pocket. “I’ll look at it later.”
“Certainly, my Lord.”
“Right now, I need time to . . . think.”
“Yes, my Lord.”
He does suggest Paul use it as a last resort if he should die and his son become a fugitive but thats it
Oaky now that we have clear proof Leto considers using the prophecy drop aall your evidence for your claim that
>Leto would not have sanctioned such a thing and Paul would not go against his father
The entire hypothetical is based on Leto taking control of the planet without having the Emperor stabbing him in the back, see
in such circumstances he would only be fending off Harkonnen attacks and he can deal with those without compromising himself by meddling with religion
>The entire hypothetical is based on Leto taking control of the planet without having the Emperor stabbing him in the back,
It's not. The question was who is the better ruler of Arrakis. And given that in two gens inevitably Leto would enact his dictators it's fair to say Harkonnens are better.
>given that in two gens inevitably Leto would enact his dictators
If you're trying to say Leto II was inevitable I disagree. Leto II is the result of Paul meeting Chani which wouldn't happen if Leto I lives. Paul would marry a fellow aristocrat. What powers their offspring might have and what they do with them cannot be assumed to be the same as what Leto II gets up to
You can't disagree though. Paul sees a million futures and they all lead to the destruction of mankind. Leto only becomes necessary because Paul pussies out of the golden path.
At that stage we are so far in hypotheticals it really becomes pointless to argue.
Fact is Atreides destroyed Dune's traditional habitat and the Fremen way of live before enacting a millenia long autocratic regime that kept people stagnant.
Their sacred worm went extinct except for Leto.
He means if Leto had assumed control of Arrakis without the Emperor plotting to destroy him obviously. Are you ESL?
haha in the thumbnail she looks like a giant in the ocean towering over a seaside city LOL
Holy crap! It really does!
zamn DUNC gals have a lot of gts potential FRFR
>Leto is greedy
Where's this coming from? He risks his life to save the spice harvester crew
What the frick was wrong with comic adaptors? Why does everyone look like they've been traced except for Paul, and why do the traced ones look better
It was a rush job
>Photo references were scarce, putting the artist between a rock and a hard place trying to be true to Lynch’s vision with few actual shots to work from.
>It started to feel more and more like the production was in trouble. They didn’t know quite what they wanted to do. The scene with the headshot of Irulan came in at the last minute, so we had to rejigger the pages. I was with Bob Budiansky in his office on the phone going through pages one by one. “Page 3, Panel 4,” you know? We were on his small sofa talking to them and I kept gesturing for another page, and at one point Bob leaned into me because he had completely fallen asleep. He was so bored. I ended up drawing more pages than made it into the book simply because of how crazy things were, at least seven or eight pages. When I was doing the cover painting, that was a real headache. I was having a very hard time finding the right image because, again, back and forth with them about, “We need to see the sandworms, we need to see...” It was art direction to death.
Bill Sienkiewicz did good,trippy work despite this imo
>go live in the brutalist hellhole on the miserable sand planet where everything including the other humans wants you dead
Yeah nah
Frick Arrakis
>Arrakeen is said to be the largest city in human history
wtf is this nonsense? Pauls imperial palace is huge but thats not built yet
35 million people were supposed to live there, I'm confused why they didn't make it appear with massive height, I always envisioned it as a massive super structure built into the mountains
Because building up instead of down is very fricking stupid on a planet where every breeze is a sandblast
>35 million people were supposed to live there
where are you getting this number from?
'Denis! Denis! Denis!' goes the refrain. 'A million deaths were not enough for Denis!'
what a fricking hack
What do they eat?
what
the
frick
this shitheap is supposed to be THE LARGEST CITY IN HUMANKIND'S HISTORY?
is this a joke
what is this supposed to be housing millions, tens of millions?
or do they just mean largest by volume which is moronic empty concrete space
I thought it looked like it was in the order of tens of thousands inhabitants, hundreds of thousands at best
I would have never guess it's supposed to be big let alone THE LARGEST
the way everything was depicted looked like they have a dozen harvesters going about and the whole operation is designed by some moron to be as risky as possible with no contingencies and backups
a child could come up with better solutions
Leto does have ambition and he knows it's a trap. His plan is to use the fremen against everyone. Leto isn't a bad guy he's smart ambitious, bisexual
. He's not a good guy or bad guy. He had a relationship with the baron when they were younger.
Atreides had a good military and ruling Dune gave them a chance to stick it to harkonens.
He took a gamble and lost.
So who are the good guys in Dune according to media literates?
Face Dancers as they're transsexuals duh
Honored Matresswdhk
i cant even figure out what dunc is about from watching the new movies
>direct enemies with house Harkonnen
they have been enemies since a long time ago...
He knows they will get attacked but has no idea about Emperor backing Vlad or sending Sardaukar there.
So he thinks they can win.
>>”do you accept?”
it is a request only superficially, it is actually an order that cannot be denied
you already made this thread and were thoroughly btfo then too
>Directed by Rian Johnson
Rian Johnson's Dune:
>the Baron has a really high pitched squeaky voice and everyone laughs at him behind his back
>Duncan is a weak b***h who easily gets btfo
>Gurney is a strong confident woman with a pink mohawk who berates Paul for being shit (she's frequently shown to be much smarter and a better fighter)
>Leto is an evil man that everyone hates but also he's comic relief and throws lots of angry childish tantrums
>Lady Jessica has 2 fakeout deaths when she and Paul are captured - she then gets free without Paul's help and Paul apologises for being a bad son
>Feyd is an overweight woman and there's lots of sexual tension between her and Paul
>Chani is a spy for the Harkonnens but then turns out to be a double agent, but then turns out to be a triple agent and then the plotline is dropped and she and Paul are madly in love
>Paul loses the fight to Feyd but then tells her to kill herself with the voice. Feyd refuses which gives Paul just enough of a window to use the voice to command a chandelier on the ceiling to fall and impale Feyd, killing her (Paul then uses the voice to tell his wounds to heal)
>The Emperor asks us to bring peace to Assassination World. House Atreides accepts!
> THERE IS NO TRAP WE LEAVE UNTRIGGERED
>Duke Leto
Leto was a charismatic and honourable man as in; actually honourable, the exact opposite of the Harkonnen swine.
>Duke Leto
Shaddam had secretly wished that Irulan had been old enough to marry Leto, both because he knew Leto to be an honourable and just man who possessed the love of his people, but also because he would have been an ideal choice for succeeding him, especially since Shaddam had no direct male heirs.
But he felt threatened by Leto. This was because he was a charismatic and honourable man, and had become very popular in the Landsraad.
Which means that the emperor was a moron, overwhelmed by ego, concernt for his personal safety, and paranoid.
>black judge: do you consent?
>Leto: I do!
>atreides: we do!
>anon: I don't
I have 2 questions teevee
1. Why would the Guild agree to not install satellites that would have hibdered the fremen making arrakis a green world which would eliminate the guild's spice
2. Sure the Atreides were more popular, but wouldnt they a more reliable contender for the throne the harkonnens whom are shitty through and through?
I forgot a couple words. Basically you could at least trust the Atreides to not frick up as majorly as the Harkonnens. More stable without getting rid of the Atreides. I am Orson Welles atm
harkonnens weren't a contender for throne
they didn't have a particularly powerful military and they weren't likely to be backed by the other planets in any foreseeable future
But why would the emperor try to bump them up anyway? Just to have zero real contenders?
he wasn't really bumping them he was getting rid of leto who was dangerous
vladimir was rich after years of profiting from dune but that was his only asset, but he spent his wealth on destroying his enemy atreides
iirc he had to pay for the use of sardaukar and for the shipping and logistic
he would then need further decades to fill back his treasury so kinda being out of the contention
at least as far as I understand it, I dunno what booksgays can say
>1.
Guild didn't know about the Fremen's plans and they paid the Guild off in spice to prevent any satellite networks being constructed around Arrakis. Confusion at this seemingly capricious rule by the Spacing Guild is expressed by both the Harkonnens and the Atreides in the book.
>2.
The Padishah Emperor liked having spice production in the control of an unpopular and brutish House like the Harkonnens. That way the Emperor wasn't empowering a potential rival for the throne because no other great house would back the Harkonnens. Probably because the Harkonnens had done everyone dirty at some point.
The move to relieve the Harkonnens of Arrakis and place it under the control of a popular rising star minor house probably raised some eyebrows around the Landsraad. Of course, we all know why the Emperor did what he did.
here's a better question. Why didn't the guild just take the sandworm larva and find another desert planet and put them on there to make spice? I mean I'm assuming there's tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of planets that have been explored, they couldn't find one other similar planet with similar conditions to Arrakis that they could grow sandworms on?
>Why didn't the guild just take the sandworm larva and find another desert planet and put them on there to make spice?
They don't frick around on planets, its outside their skillset. Complacent? Yeah, they are but it works for ten millennia before a black swan fricks them up
>Why didn't the guild just take the sandworm larva and find another desert planet and put them on there to make spice?
They tried.
>>”no im good.”
>proceeds to have this whole planet bombarded from space and whatever was left divided among the other houses
>Duke Atreides? Ahh you just missed him. He's gone. Won't be back for a while. Leave a message though?
Zendaya is kinda cute when she tries to be angry
I kept getting distracted by how badly I wanted her during part 2
Why didn't they have their spaceships in space to defend from any enemy fleet coming through the gigantic butthole portal thing? Why are all your defenses ground based against the threat of invasion from literal space? I mean you know exactly where your enemy has to come from, they can't come from anywhere else except that gate, so why not build some kind of defensive system to open fire on any hostile fleet that enters Arrakis orbit?
How did all the Atreides get wiped out anyways? Leto didn't have any cousins or brothers / sisters? I mean Caladan has to be a huge planet with a ton of resources and other cities and whatnot with people living there, all under the control of House Atreides. What happened to them? Only Leto and his army went to Arrakis to secure the spice, but what about everyone else under the Atreides influence? Surely they didn't take the ENTIRE MILITARY FORCE of his house to Arrakis? Why would you do that instead of just taking some of them, enough to secure the city and start harvesting spice, and leave others behind to secure Caladan? Also the entire thing with the ships rising out of the Oceans why are you keeping literal spaceships in water?
To add further, why does it seem like all the Atreides have are transport ships? Where are their warships? They have one single type of aircraft and it's only something designed to Arrakis (Ornithopter) why don't they have fighter jets or tanks or APCs or mechs or cruisers / battleships or anything else an advanced military would need?
I could go on but I hate Dune.
the technollogy is primitive un purpose.
they dont want to create any complex AI because they fear it.
so transport and warfare is complicated and absurd.
this is bassic Dune knowledge.
warfare doesn't require complex systems or computers, all you have to do is launch hunks of metal at other hunks of metal and you can do that without much complexity. Besides, they have literal anti-gravity technology, they have literal invisible shield technology, you're telling me these aren't complex, advanced systems?
I hate Dune, it's contradictory and moronic.
you are not wrong.
they could have colonized the whole universe and have battleships and all that.
but they fear technollogy,and to do that,they would need computers and those are not allowed.
>Besides, they have literal anti-gravity technology, they have literal invisible shield technology, you're telling me these aren't complex, advanced systems?
Just what is permissible under the Butlerian taboos is hazy. Digital programmable computers are forbidden but electronics per se aren't and perhaps analog computers are under the line too seeing as they can be made single purpose
I find it difficult to believe you're old enough to post on this board yet unfamiliar with the concept of being volun-told to participate in something.
Leto only decided to take control of Arrakis so that Paul could eventually become the Kwisatz Haderach. He knew he was done for wether he accepted or not. There was nothing he could do to fend off the emperor.
Chudlerian jihad
He already "accepted" long before the delegation arrived.
Someone who read the book recently or remembers it better than me, were the fremens really split on whether or not the Messiah prophecies are true?
I remember Paul's struggle of trying to avoid the jihad, but I honestly can't recall that chani knew that it was a bene gesserit fabrication or maybe that's just Villeneuve's addition
No, it's bullshit. The Fremen would kill their own people for much less than blasphemy. They depend on the structure of tradition to survive in the desert - it's a huge theme in their culture which is confronted properly in later books. The idea that there is an open sect of atheists in fremen culture at that period is fricking moronic, and probably only added for modern western audiences to self-insert themselves into the story. It's the kind of change that is completely antithetical to the themes and structure of the books, because the fremen do end up becoming divided by religion and excess once Paul establishes his empire, and it's tragic for them.
Because the Atreides army was stronger than the Harkonnen army due to superior training and lack of infighting.
If the Emperor hadn't violated the Great Convention by deploying his elite Sardaukar troops in support of the Harokonnen attack, the Atreides would have had a decent chance of winning the battle. Hell, if Dr. Yueh hadn't been a traitor (which the Atreides had no way of knowing at the time) and hadn't sabotaged the defenses, then the Atreides might have won even with the Sardaukar showing up.
Source?
Dune.
Sardaukar and the Harkonennes combined would have wrecked the Atreides army
Nice headcanon
That's another reason why the Emperor decided to work with the Harkonnens - they could subvert the special kind of doctor that everyone assumed to be incorruptible and therefore pretty much eliminate the possibility of a protracted fight
>order of doctors who are said to have never been compromised in 10000 years
>lol i just kidnapped and tortured his wife, ez
WE ARE HOUSE ATREIDES. THERE IS NO CALL WE WILL NOT ANSWER.
>no I'm good
Ok now all the houses are at war with you for refusing to accept what the emperor wanted
Will Feyd's daughter be Alia's lesbian lover?
Alia only fricks zombie dudes and Fremen priests
> Brave filmmaker: If Jackson can make Gollum convincing then surely I can have a crack at Alia. There's been 20 years of sfx development since then and the prize is showing the audience the creepiest child ever seen. What a challenge!
>Hack filmmaker: eeh just have Jessica talk to herself and throw in a grown up Alia in a vision or some shit idk
cope and seethe moron
Duke Leto was at this point the closest male relative of the Emperor. He knew the Harkonnen weren’t going to take losing Arakis laying down but he seemed to honestly believe the Emperor had his back.
There is a theory that Leto thought that he was being tested as a possible successor and heir which is why he didn’t see the Emperor turning on him and incidentally it why the Emperor did turn on him because Leto was seen as a potential heir.
He knows it's a trap but it's worth the risk. He can't say know or he will be a dead man or other houses will use him turning it down.
Duke is a complex guy, he's aware there is a ticking clock. He knows there is a traitor. He doesn't know who until it's too late. His lover, who was a man, was killed by the harks before he found out who it was. He is bisexual btw. It's alluded to he was a over of the barons
>He is bisexual btw. It's alluded to he was a over of the barons
Why does Zendaya look like more of a man than Chamalet.