Do you agree?

I'm talking about TLJ's binary sunset you moron, rise of skywalker's is soulless

>cannot read people
You do not count as "people" if you're trying to pretend the sequels were only criticized because they're dark.

We've had countless threads on the objectively terrible story and filming in the sequel trilogy. Just because you cover your eyes and pretend not to see it doesn't make the sequels any less than complete shit. Please have a nice day

Don't call me incel, you failed hedonist.

>I HAD SEX ONCE THAT MEANS I'M NOT AN INCEL GOTTEMM
That's literally you though. A low performing hedonist revealing his ugly desires.

Please explain why the First Order stopped attacking the Republic cruisers in TLJ after they had destroyed the hangar

idk. Because the engines on the big ships mean the capital ships going at full tilt are faster than the fighters

regardless, cinemasins plothole surfing is the most basic b***h form of "criticism". this is like getting angry at the fellowship not flying the ring to mordor on the eagles or thinking it's "le plot hole" that the Empire held fire because there were no lifeforms aboard but oh wait you were a kid when you watched those movies so it's ok

>No, the fighters were easily flying circles around the capital ships.

The Mon Calamari cruiser had stopped accelerating because the First Order had come out of lightspeed in front of them. When Kylo Ren is attacking the ships, they are slooooowly turning around so they can run away at full sublight speed. Leia and Ackbar literally tell the audience what they're doing. By the time both fleets had fully accelerated, they'd be traveling faster than the fighters could match on their smaller sublight engines

>There were no more enemy fighters to counter them. So why did they pull back?

Kylo's entire wing died, the turrets were still fricking them up.

I am literally not, try actually watching the movie instead of just going into it looking for reasons to be upset

No I'm saying actually watch the movie, everything I posted is explicitly shown or explained in the movie, except the bit about sublight engines of fighters not being able to keep up with capital ships, that's a bit of inference, but the Rebel fleet slowly turning around, Kylo's wing getting destroyed and Hux telling him to pull back because the capital ships can't cover him anymore, it's all there.

Trust me, I know the movie like the back of my hand, chapter and verse, every shot and cut. Shilling for the movie online is my full time job, you see

>Incel

Im married with kids. Look up the demographics on OT/ Luke fans, or even PT/ EU fans. They are not typically intel’s at all. But I’m willing to bet, you’re not married, dating anyone, or going out much at all. Am I right, TLJ Schizo?

someone made a mod for NuBattlefront II that has Rey in her skintight black jumpsuit she wore in Trevorrow's version of IX and it makes my dick so fricking hard

Daisy was so fricking tight and fit in the IX we actually got but she's still wearing the same fricking rags she's been in all trilogy

>At least Daisy Ridley can act

Hayden has been very good in the D+ shows. He’s underrated

Watch A listers Sam Jackson and Natalie Portman in the PT. They also don’t turn in their best performances. Too much green screen

>At least Daisy Ridley can act

LMFAO you're fricking kidding me right?
I've seen basketball players show more emotion over missing a shot than Anakin over his mom being dead.
And this isn't even to mention how easily you could find a Daisy Ridley scene that shits all over any of the scenes where Hayden has to actually deliver a fricking line without sounding like he's chewing 5 sticks of gum.

Sure.

This is like the only scene of the movie you can find on youtube but it's more than good enough since she actually acts and sounds like a human being, putting her far above Hayden.

Hayden's scenes are iconic for being laughably bad.
You don't think people actually think stuff like
>What have I done?
or
>Liar!
are actually good right? That's literally the opposite of why they're memorable.

Time will prove you right when delusional homosexuals that watched these horrible movies as children grow up and pretend like they're good?
Cause don't worry, the same thing is gonna happen with the sequels in 10 years.

>no argument left
Concession accepted.
It's also funny how you've decided to lump me in with sequel apologists when I've really given no indication that I actually like them and even admitted Rey was badly written, all I've said is that Hayden Christinsen's performance was awful.
Which it was.
And the only reason you like it is cause you saw these movies as an idiot kid and now you're an idiot adult who doesn't want to admit the things he likes are shit so has to argue with people online about their secret genius that everyone missed somehow and only your underdeveloped kid brain picked it up.

lol

You're not a serious person and not worth my time.

Okay, uggo midwit.

How about Rey Palpatine’s iconic:

> “Oi like dis!”

Or:

>”Rey, ….Rey Skoywalka!”

This cannot be fricken real KEK

It's already grating as a children's show
The fricking lightsaber helicopters would've made me switch off the show instantly

I admire your fortitude

>but I feel the show did a poor job of getting that across
It didn't. I got it, as did many other people, because it's all there.
>But then again, I never saw any of the cartoons. I still feel it's the show's job to do that, not me having to watch a bunch of shitty cartoons.
You don't necessarily have to watch the cartoons. Sure, you'd get more invested in the Anakin/Ahsoka relationship and you will get a deeper appreciation of it, but the show set up everything you needed to know for the payoff. You need to understand Star Wars, you need to understand why Anakin fell and how he was redeemed, you need to pay attention to the show you're watching. And you're gonna get all of that. Notice that I haven't referenced the cartoons at all in that post. All the information was from the Ahsoka episodes and a bit as a frame of reference from Return of the Jedi.

>her shame, guilt, burdens, and her perceived notion that she is doomed to fail both herself and Sabine.
Literally none of which existed prior to this episode.
>her issues with perceiving Anakin and his legacy, and by extension herself, tainted by the shadow of Darth Vader
Literally none of which existed prior to this episode.
>"Everyone in the Order knew Anakin Skywalker. Few would live to see what he became. Surely, that must leave a mark. Your legacy, like your master's, is one of death and destruction."
Ahsoka has lived to see Anakin's son fulfill the legacy Anakin failed, rebuilding the jedi order. Anakin's fall happened decades ago, she should have had time to grow, learn, and form a hope for the future. But we see none of that.
>he meant not only literally, as in Baylan defeated her in combat, but he also defeated her mentally
And if that's all it takes for her to be defeated mentally she is PATHETIC and more easily manipulated than fricking Jar Jar.
>And she has to forgive him
Which she would have done after she learned about his last moments from Luke.
>It's all subtext.
No, it's your headcanon. And it's fricking pathetic that you're trying to do Filoni's job for him and add meaning when it simply isn't there.
>I am waiting for you to cope with your low IQ "it's all headcanon" nonsense
It is headcanon. You are barely citing the show at all. You are saying that when Anakin says "you lost lmao" he ACKSHUALLY meant "you let him get in your head" and that when he says "choose life" he is ACKSHUALLY saying "forgive and move on".
But that's not even the truly pathetic part. What's really sad is that this is your best faith interpretation and it's STILL shit. LUKE EXISTS. AHSOKA MET HIM. Whatever she feels towards Anakin has to be affected by that. She KNOWS Vader was saved. She KNOWS the galaxy is safe and slowly rebuilding. This is hack shit that was introduced and resolved within one episode and had zero impact on her character. Cheap filler.

>Can't into subtext
And you're not addressing my arguments.
>who was a child soldier, and whose mentor turned out to be a genocidal maniac
Things that Filoni needed to spell out for the viewer because you otherwise would never have guessed those things from the wooden performance and shallow dialogue.
>which makes her question her entire life and the validity of everything she'd been taught and what she was doing.
And then over TWO DECADES passed by.
>you can't even possibly comprehend it
Filoni sure can't, which is why he decided to not write it, then just say "uh yeah she simply chose to not be traumatized anymore".
>You are like Mauler-tier
Thanks?

He could've been a great character if his descent into the dark side was handled more tenderly and his actions made sense.

Nah, you're a moron

>Even in Episode III he always tries to pull back when he's been giving in to evil.

Sheev literally admits he's being lying about being able to save Padme this entire time and Anakin goes along with his plot to murder the younglings anyway. Anakin is either stupid beyond belief to continue being taken for a ride by Sheev, or psychotically selfish to think the deaths of billions are a worthy tradeoff for the .0000001 chance they'll figure out how to save Padme before she gives birth in the next two weeks

RotS takes place over at least 6 months, moron.

>no explanation for his character U-turn
>b-but actually it was 6 months!
Stupid frick

Rise of Skywalker is legitimately the worst film ever made

It’s horrifyingly bad

>from the start
Meh, he was a good kid who wanted to free the slaves and save his mom.

Yeah, it's easy to be nice when you're a shy 9 year old, but the second Anakin had any sort of power or real ability to make decisions he began showing megalomaniacal tendencies and started killing people

>What is he supposed to say? What CAN he say? Nothing can be said about it.
Loads can be said about it, but Filoni doesn't even try.
>To understand that Anakin, her relationship with him, are not defined by Darth Vader. She is not defined by Darth Vader.
Shit that came out of literally nowhere and isn't anything she should be feeling based on her history with Luke.
>And he was redeemed.
No thanks to Filoni's pet OC lmao.

>Surely, you've watched enough Mauler to make an objectively perfect™ script, your movie is underway, right?
I've written fics when I was thirteen that are better than Filoni's writing, yeah.
>He didn't say "I am sorry", nor he tried to defend his actions
No, he said what he could to praise his son after cherishing the brief moments of seeing him without the mask in the way. It was only seconds, but he died peacefully with that final act. It wasn't about apologizing. It wasn't about undoing his actions or justifying them. It was about spending what little time he had left with someone he loved. In Ahsoka, Anakin just pops up to deliver the moral lesson of the show. Despite all the memberberries thrown around it doesn't even look like he has any emotional reaction to seeing his former padawan.
>What history, dumbass?
The history established BY DISNEY'S OWN FRICKING SHOW, dumbass. She was on Mando. She worked with Luke. They knew each other.
>how is it supposed to make her feel better?
Maybe it doesn't. But it should make her feel SOMETHING.
>So what? How does it undo all the pain and thoughts and experiences they'd had?
Good question, maybe that's what the show should have been about. Ahsoka's disbelief that Vader was redeemed, her distrust of Luke, her fear that the peace is going to be destroyed, etc. Or you could have her wracked with guilt over her failure to save Anakin, that she couldn't accomplish what Luke did. Instead, her character hasn't progressed at all since fricking Order 66.
>1) Non sequitur
How in the frick is Vader's redemption and death a non sequitur to Ahsoka's character? You're arguing that this trashfire of a show is good because of Ahsoka's oh so deep trauma over Vader, and yet it ignores the most important information about his life and death.

see, this I don't agree with. There's something wooden about all the acting except for baylon and thrawn. Like the three main female characters are all just emoji acting. All they do is make smirking or bored faces. All their performances are flat. The female non sith atleast is playing into her character. I don't know, maybe I'm expecting too much. I just think it's crazy that Bill fricking Burr gave a better performance.

Empty words.

this

see, this I don't agree with. There's something wooden about all the acting except for baylon and thrawn. Like the three main female characters are all just emoji acting. All they do is make smirking or bored faces. All their performances are flat. The female non sith atleast is playing into her character. I don't know, maybe I'm expecting too much. I just think it's crazy that Bill fricking Burr gave a better performance.

is me. You're exactly saying what I feel.

Oh wow, I can't wait for the final lesson to be to accept loss again, with an elbow-to-the-ribs implication that people need to just accept this trash timeline and love the sequels despite all their massive glaring flaws.

Holy shit, you’re moronic. My condolences

You’ve been coming here every day for half a decade and you’ve gotten thousands of arguments by now. I’ve read the threads. You’re mentally ill if you think you can force people to like a 7 year old movie by “arguing” with them. Nobody here will ever change their mind. They hate Rey and they hate the Sequel Trilogy. That’s never going to change

The CGI wasn’t good. The scene itself was good. It was well shot, and well done. Not a single person on Earth thinks the CGI was good. But 97% of the scene was a stunt double. And that part was great.

I’m glad they let Mark Hamill play Luke a couple more times before they recast him. I think he and his fans were upset by the whole ST thing. So I think giving Mark those moments in Mando/ Boba were a very nice thing to do so he could finish up his run on a positive note.

Why would anyone really get angry at that? It was a nice thing to do. And the Boba deepfake was pretty good. But I do think it’s time for a recast. And so does Mark. But getting angry at the guy who built the franchise for having a moment is some real petty shit.

>was a soulless cameo from a character who didn't need to be there and forever showed that Star Wars cannot escape its masturbatory fanservice.

The 35 years between ROTJ and TLJ, Luke WAS the Jedi Order. It was set up from the first episode that they were bringing Grogu to “his people” “the Jedi”. This didn’t come out of nowhere

>Mando was supposed to be the proof that Star Wars could tell new stories

You meant discount corporate Bob Fett and discount corporate Yoda battling discount Tarkington is “new stories”LOL, loser

>outside of what we already knew, before it immediately became a cameofest in its SECOND season

Star Wars isn’t high literature. It isn’t high culture. Only maybe parts of the OT qualify as culturally significant or “literary”. The Mandalorian is a mediocre tv show with a bunch of corporate knock offs. You need to grow up and read and watch better things

When Anakin swears fealty to Sheev, is Anakin talking about how he believes wholeheartedly in the Dark Side and the necessity of the Empire to bring peace to the Galaxy? No, he just wants to save Padme. Anakin would have thrown Sheev out the window and remained a milquetoast servant of the liberal order if Mace was the guy who could have saved Padme. Anakin has no convictions, which is why the sudden appearance of them during his last speech to Obiwan is so fricking comical.

Where's the coherency of him being willing to slaughter innocents?

So where's the coherence?
>Ironically his darkened soul ends up destroying her as well.
Holy shit that's so deep

So it isn't coherent. Anakin went from a relatively good person to a child-murderer very, very quickly.

Him being desperate to save Padme is coherent and understandable. His sudden and dramatic willingness to remorselessly slaughter the children of his former order is not coherent with anything he has done before, nor is it a proportional escalation of anything he did in the immediate build-up. This is one of the reasons Episode 3 and the rest of the prequels are widely considered to be bad movies. Look, I gave you a chance to make your case but I've had enough. The writing of Anakin's fall from grace is clumsy and ham-fisted and you obviously seem to think it's clever, which means you're an idiot.

He has nothing to hold on anymore, aside from Padme and the promise of a way to save her. His whole identity got torpedoed at that point. See [...]

>well Mace is dead I might as well just keep mass murdering people

This is why, again, that I think Anakin is a fricking sociopath and anyone who sympathizes with him is also a sociopath