>oh no, people aren't talking about a show I hate so I can't call them Black folk and marketers
Local discussion of media amounts to nothing but what's essentially a food fight, and its non-existence doesn't detract from its quality. I'm personally glad that things I like don't get talked about, I just watch it and enjoy it and move on. It doesn't look worse in my eyes just because I don't see a bunch of people screaming over it on the internet.
Maybe an autist would see that differently but I'm not autistic, thank frick.
>I don't give a shit about what mentally ill people are saying online
I agree, you being one of them you dopamine addict. Wait a fricking week you stupid child.
What are using as the control group here? Like Stranger Things is successful, that's true, but what are you using as an example of something of comparable cultural relevance that had a weekly schedule?
Last Season held off the last 2 episodes until later, and that season was far more discussed than any previous season past 1, so it holding off episodes can help even something as big as Stranger Things
One of the reason why Jojo Stone Free is medicore, beside that it is, is that they release half of it in one interval and the other half a year later. There was no hype
Outside Part 5 which was mostly due to the torture dance going viral Jojo doesn't get much hype beyond select corners of the internet it's like saying Baki is hype because people keep sharing the same memes on twitter.
I can tell you only started watching Jojo when Part 5 was airing. Jojo never had "hype" outside of Part 5 because of meme culture at that time. The show was very niche up until maybe towards the end of Part 4. Even then why give a frick about "hype"? None of the "hype" adds anything to the show whatsoever. You new jojogays are so moronic you tried to force "hype" with monthly manga chapter releases with The Jojo Lands without realizing that manga moves slower and on top of that only 12 chapters will be released a year because its MONTHLY.
>most modern discussion is just talking about how the shows shit because its woke or because the creator isn't perfect leftist.
Reddit and Tumblr exist if you don't want that
you're not wrong, but OP does bring up a good point.
its an interesting topic.
on one hand: the viewer gets full access to the show. no being left on cliff hangers for a week. they can watch at their own pace.
on the other hand: it can make a show run through its relevant cultural spotlight much quicker, with the majority of shows losing relevantly shortly after their final episode airs. this can severely hurt the chances of companies picking up new shows in the future (and no, it wont improve the quality).
This but even that aside they got a point but on the Disney front......even the way they are releasing is moronic on their own platform.
Weekly releases honestly keeps traction a show wants to have trending, since it draws in more people curious to see what the big deal is. The thing is these companies want to sell you everything as a whole package because the amount they ask for if they did make you pay 'episode to episode' would turn them away.
Imagine if you had to pay for EVERY Hazbin Hotel episode instead of just ONCE with Prime? Do you take the risk to attempt milking your audience or do you just bundle and hope it's a success and oversellfs like crazy?
No. I would much rather be capable of enjoying an entire product at my leisure than artificial tension be derived by drip feeding content. Why are you denying modern convenience for tedium?
>bottle episodes
Bottle episodes are trash on the same tier as recap episodes (which you only make if there are problems with production).
I do think that dropping everything all at once is suboptimal for serialized shows though. I think in those cases they should pace things out to at least one ep a day over the span of a couple weeks, that way viewers have time to discuss theories and stuff as the story builds up to the climax. I'm personally not a fan to spacing out serialized shows to once a week (except for shows that are being produced as they are airing) because I feel like it's easy for fans to forget about details so you end up with a lot of discussion where people are being confused/reminded about stuff that happened a month ago.
I like when series had 20+ more serialized episodes a season, as it gave me more time to get invested in the characters and setting.
When your trying to cram an entire plot into 8 hours of content it mostly feels hollow. Movies get away with short term storytelling because they are filled with spectacle but if you want me to watch for more than 3 hours you gotta give me some fatty meat to sink my teeth into.
all narrative enjoyment is artificial. that is the point of stories. and nothing stops you watching the whole thing at once when a product is fully released anyway.
Why not just make a long movie? People are stupid, they'll watch a week's worth of content if it's serialized but if it was a movie that they could pause that's a problem.
I feel like a lot of older shows are more fondly remembered because the time between new episodes allowed for the previous content to marinate better in their heads, and they could appreciate what they got more. Nowadays a cool moment of animation gets lost in the conversation when people can just move past it without paying much attention. It makes no sense to try with audiences like you.
>People are stupid
This is all you really needed to say.
>the time between new episodes allowed for the previous content to marinate better in their heads
I think it's more about repeated exposure giving the viewer less of an opportunity to just forget about the series entirely. I'm sure The Simpsons is still going because of boomers watching it at the same time in the same place for so many years on end that it's a habit to them more than anything else.
I mean, back when television was the only option, even if you have 50 channels, a lot of the time you'd end up watching the same rotation of syndicated re-runs because there was nothing on that interested you in that time-slot. So, you'd be forced to get more familiar with the content just due to the constant exposure. And that's a different experience than waiting for a show to come out, binging it in one day, and then moving on to the next thing never to return.
Like, even your example of the Simpsons, we have 90s internet boards with them complaining about it not being as good as the previous seasons or almost verbatim arguments from the modern age by Season 6. Yet, that's Golden Age content in hindsight now. Reality is contextual to the experience we encounter, but people don't want to think about their engagement with the world around them because they'd prefer not to think. That's why they want the flow of content and for it to be forgotten for the next thing after it ends.They don't have to use their brain if they don't have to keep up with more than the moment to moment buzz of social media.
>Reality is contextual to the experience we encounter, but people don't want to think about their engagement with the world around them because they'd prefer not to think. That's why they want the flow of content and for it to be forgotten for the next thing after it ends.They don't have to use their brain if they don't have to keep up with more than the moment to moment buzz of social media.
Your tone implies that it's a bad thing. I'd much rather have grown-up with the seemingly endless amount of TV and movies to pick from that's available now than having wasted watching so many reruns of the same few shows repeatedly only because I had a few worse alternatives. But the real difference is that there were people talking about shows on the internet back then, but now it seems like shows are being made with stupid internet discussions in mind.
It is a bad thing. How can enjoy art and content on any deeper level than jangling keys if you just keep putting your head in the stream and drinking whatever gushes past you head? I'm not saying the availability of content is bad, far from it, but to just want a constant flow of entertainment because you want new entertainment is just an addiction to fantasy and escapism.
And shows being made to illicit buzz is nothing new, even before the internet. Dallas filmed and intentionally leaked several fake scenes from a season premiere to obscure a plot point for the sake of discussion, when they could have just downplayed it entirely. But, that's a different issue from this conversation. The release schedule does impact the types of discussion being had, and that experience can change your relationship to the show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are a pretentious moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And you have nothing important to say.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It is a bad thing.
No, it's not.
>The release schedule does impact the types of discussion being had, and that experience can change your relationship to the show.
I don't give a hot shit about discussion of a show. Right now I can go and watch every single episode of The Jetsons and enjoy it, but find absolutely nobody to discuss it with and it doesn't matter in the slightest if I do. If you need other people to discuss the media you consume to enjoy it, then it's a "you" problem.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you have a problem with other people enjoying discussion of media, then that is a "you" problem. Nothing is preventing you from merely binging the entire series once it has been fully released. If you are so against discussion it literally shouldn't matter to you how a show gets released so long as it does.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
When did I say I had a problem with other people enjoying discussion of media? I just don't believe that releasing it in a way that caters to those people is inherently better.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
NTA but the logic goes like this >If it doesn't matter to you then net happiness goes up with the weekly format because they will be happy also.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You get it, exactly.
>It is a bad thing.
No, it's not.
>The release schedule does impact the types of discussion being had, and that experience can change your relationship to the show.
I don't give a hot shit about discussion of a show. Right now I can go and watch every single episode of The Jetsons and enjoy it, but find absolutely nobody to discuss it with and it doesn't matter in the slightest if I do. If you need other people to discuss the media you consume to enjoy it, then it's a "you" problem.
When did I say I had a problem with other people enjoying discussion of media? I just don't believe that releasing it in a way that caters to those people is inherently better.
My point is not about content availability. If anything, I personally prefer to just binge watch show but I think its both a worse experience (personally) and hinders a show's impact, notoriety, discussion. And if you don't care, what does it matter if you wait until the show is complete to binge it after the fact? You can just binge it then. If you want an influx of content, as you mentioned, there are countless other things out there to watch (especially if you don't want to discuss them in-depth and just want to consume mindless content from any stream of media.) Or is the argument really you just want your shiny new thing now regardless of anyone else? Making the conversation you want rather than the impact the change of formatting has on its audience?
And who knows, maybe you would have enjoyed that episode of Jetsons more with a conversation about it? Or at least feel differently? How we react, engage with, and think about media inherently changes the way we connect and receive it. And that's part of the fun of watching stuff. Otherwise, just get high and watch lights if all you want is stimulation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Forgot to include a link to
I would have gone with Space Pirate Captain Harlock, but this is Cinemaphile, so I went with Cinemaphile media I watched most recently. My point is that there is a nearly endless amount of TV and movies out there already that you could spend every waking moment of your life watching if you could. And all the shows that have already finished airing are available to watch in that binge format.
But the moron that posted [...] compared just watching what's available from beginning to end if you want to to "jangling keys" while drip-feeding the newest, shiniest content to the viewer in a way artificially create hype and so shitty websites can milk views by making shitty news articles for as long as they can about the newest thing as art being "enjoyed on a deeper level", when jangling keys is a much more apt comparison.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Jetsons is really the example you're going with? Are you 80?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I would have gone with Space Pirate Captain Harlock, but this is Cinemaphile, so I went with Cinemaphile media I watched most recently. My point is that there is a nearly endless amount of TV and movies out there already that you could spend every waking moment of your life watching if you could. And all the shows that have already finished airing are available to watch in that binge format.
But the moron that posted
It is a bad thing. How can enjoy art and content on any deeper level than jangling keys if you just keep putting your head in the stream and drinking whatever gushes past you head? I'm not saying the availability of content is bad, far from it, but to just want a constant flow of entertainment because you want new entertainment is just an addiction to fantasy and escapism.
And shows being made to illicit buzz is nothing new, even before the internet. Dallas filmed and intentionally leaked several fake scenes from a season premiere to obscure a plot point for the sake of discussion, when they could have just downplayed it entirely. But, that's a different issue from this conversation. The release schedule does impact the types of discussion being had, and that experience can change your relationship to the show.
compared just watching what's available from beginning to end if you want to to "jangling keys" while drip-feeding the newest, shiniest content to the viewer in a way artificially create hype and so shitty websites can milk views by making shitty news articles for as long as they can about the newest thing as art being "enjoyed on a deeper level", when jangling keys is a much more apt comparison.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh, so you really are just butthurt that all of media doesn't cater to your specific whims?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you only want to watch one episode a week, nothing is stopping you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just let yourself get spoiled because everyone else watched it as soon as it came out bro
And that's also why bingewatching is terrible, you can never be on the same page as most of the other viewers until you watch the whole thing in one go.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why do you care more about engagement with others than enjoying the show on its own merits?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because it is completely additive to the enjoyment of the show for its merits, in fact it can actually make me apprieciate the shows merits more as someone else might give me a different viewpoint or notice something I didn't.
But more importantly, why do you care how I enjoy a show? Does it affect you at all?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's hilarious seeing you idiots call others moronic children and mindless consumers when your defense is "I can't enjoy it on my own". you're incapable of pacing your own consumption of a product and when you're done you get mad at the way the show was distributed instead of yourself. If you can't enjoy a show for what it is and need to shitpost about it online in order to get enjoyment out of it, you're juss stupid, and I don't even watch netflix shows so before you complain about me wanting everything to be a binge-fest, don't bother.
>But more importantly, why do you care how I enjoy a show? Does it affect you at all?
The fricking irony of this is fricking astounding, holy shit. >BUT I MIGHT GET SPOILED!!!
Then don't go to the places where you might get spoiled? It's not fricking hard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But more importantly, why do you care how I enjoy a show?
The same reason you care so much about being on the same page with others while watching a show. Isn't it obvious?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're getting upset at an argument he's not making.
How is a half hour to an hour of content a week drop feeding?
https://i.imgur.com/clTW84B.png
Do you agree?
I think more people would’ve hated this adaptation if Netflix did that, just slowly dropping a show that’s completely disconnected from the source material seems odd
Yeah releasing them every week would have helped notscot pilgrim since they lied to the Audience and they would have avoiding people spilling the beans on day one
I think all at once is fine for a series that only has one season and no plans for more. If there's a chance for more then spacing it out is better so there's less of a gap between the release of the last episode and the firs one for the next season.
You would have had more discussion for your show if you made an actual adaption or sequel instead of bait and switching your audience into watching the story of another character where the titular character is missing for 80% of the series
>it would have had more discussion if it was just a 1:1 retelling of a story that has already been discussed to death from the comic, movie and even to a degree video game versions of it years prior
yes subversion is gay.congratulation 90% of the discussion is just negative about how its a lie and bad faith false advertisemenr, just look at how anime is 10x more popular than western shows and they do 1:1 adaptions despite fans already knowing the manga chapters.
congratulation 90% of the discussion is jusr about how its a bait and switch like heman
I definitely prefer releasing in bulk in terms of convenience, but I can understand the argument in favor of scheduled releases because it drags out the discussion cycle. For me I can't be bothered to sit and wait around every week so I will just wait until they're all out.
Yes. Dumping the whole series at once means you have to stay off the internet until you have time to sit down and binge-watch the whole thing or else some c**t will inevitably spoil every plot point, and you can't discuss any of the episodes individually because there's no reason to speculate about something that's probably going to be answered in an episode you haven't watched yet.
>you can't just stop half way through and talk about random shit, you actually have to watch the show >you have to not be moronic and not get spoiled by just easily avoiding the areas where you would get spoiled
What do you do if you want to watch an older series that's already been out for years but didn't see when it was released? The entire plot is out there, any discussion you'd find is guaranteed to be dominated by people who have already dissected every possible idea. Do you avoid the show because you're missing out on that period of speculation and discovery, or do you simply not be an aspie and enjoy the show on your own schedule?
I'd just watch it whenever because I wouldn't have to worry about everyone around me talking about the latest developments in current thing. If I wasn't interested enough in the series to watch it on release, then I probably would've forgotten any potential spoilers I saw when it was new and I wouldn't care about missing out on the discussions.
Do you hate movies, anon?
A movie is a single work designed to be watched in one sitting and unless it's Oscarbait it's usually going to be around two hours long. That's an easily manageable amount of time, unlike (for example) the new Fallout series, which runs about 8 hours. If I hadn't stayed offline until finishing that then I would've been immediately spoiled by all the morons screeching over a major reveal that happened during the final end credits sequence in the 8th hour of the show.
I did, and you brought up dumb shit like getting spoiled (which would be your fault anyway). It doesn't change the fact that these shows are designed to be binged and watched in the minimum amount of sessions, like a movie.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And yet they're split into multiple episodes. Why do you think that is?
>MUH SPOILERS
If a show can be ruined by having minor plot elements revealed early, it wasn't a good show in the first place. It's about the journey, not the destination. Learn to regulate your emotions you subhuman moron.
Man you people really forgot what a cultural juggernaut Game of Thrones was before they tanked it. All of that was because people were invested in the characters and story beats slowly building throughout the season.
The whole "we're going to have a season/series long mystery with a constant cliffhanger finale!" formula bullshit is what ruins so much potentially good TV right now.
Breaking Bad did it perfectly where every season was it's own start-to-finish challenge and you could hypothetically end the show at any season and still have a decent conclusion. There was no real big drip-drop mystery with that show and it was great. That's a prime example of, "You know how it's going to end but you rewatch the show anyway because it's so good".
moron, the last season of Breaking Bad, the highest rated season, was entirely designed around the mystery of the opening scene. They wrote backwards from there.
But you're confusing character development and building story beats for a drip-drop mystery when my post was about fricking GoT.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It got the highest ratings cause of a mystery >Not cause it was the last season
Bullshit, you were never around for peak weekly television then. Imagine how shit Breaking Bad or Mad Men or The Wire discussion would be if they dumped the whole season at once.
Nah, I know how good weekly discussion can be. After all, peak weekly television is still going on: it's called Kamen Rider and it blows the shit you listed out of the water. It just doesn't change the fact that Season to Season is the better rule to follow than Week to Week, but I say that because I actually care about the quality of the show itself, whereas people like (You) only obsess about having the opportunity to talk about these shows with people like me, Lol!
>but I say that because I actually care about the quality of the show itself, whereas people like (You) only obsess about having the opportunity to talk about these shows with people like me, Lol!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Either this is a GPT Post or you have a really weird misconception what that word means.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Assuming I dont care about the quality of shows based off me liking weekly discussion is projection, dude. Its not my fault you're an argumentative weirdo.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah that's, that's not what projection means.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds.
You are an argumentative weirdo.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Projection is when you attribute to others what you consider about yourself; that's the bit that's "in their own minds." It's not projection unless you think how I say you think is actually how I think, which would be silly to think, wouldn't you think--or I'd have doubts you'd think at all given your previous couple of posts, I'd think.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're melting down because I said I liked weekly discussion of shows, get a life dude.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you're melting down
Now THAT'S projection
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are boring as frick dude, you can have the last reply if you want.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only thing I'm boring is your mother, and in that regard you can call me Freeport McMoRan, lol. Lmao.
I would disagree. Assuming a show is good, it helps to give your brain time to fully process each episode. Appreciate the work that went into it. Mull over why this character said a certain line. Enjoy the beauty of an exceptionally well-composed shot or piece of animation.
At least speaking from personal experience, shows I've binged tend not to stick in my mind. Anything that I've watched more spread out I can remember more vividly.
Weekly releases only benefit third party companies and content creators. Real people enjoy being able to watch a show when they want to how they want to without arbitrary limits placed on them by large companies. People that want their media drip fed to them are cucks pure and simple.
Really interesting to see such a wide range of opinions on this, I've always thought that it was kind of a generally agreed point that weekly releases were better.
I wonder if it comes down to how much you like fandoms in general, or if you just want to watch something once and be done with it forever and move on immediately for the next show.
Binge dumps mean you can't let a cliffhanger sit and let people think about what just happened.
Which is good if you want to gloss over a weakness in your logic, but terrible if you actually have a dramatic development you want to cash in on.
It also changes how you have to structure your script. Episodic shows really get nothing out of getting dumped, while complicated prestige shows with many balls in the air can count on the audience to remember more details.
There are many shows where the structure or concept make binge watching a terrible experience.
Comedy shows, especially absurdist ones, are bound to become grating after a while.
So those really gain from pacing themselves out. How much Uncle Grandpa can a sane human watch in one sitting?
From a business perspective I get why they do it. People stay engaged and continue next month's subscription cycle, plus "discussion."
But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
Sometimes on a lazy Sunday I just want to crush the entire show and I won't be able to get back to it for a while, since I'm an adult and can't be fricked with trying to manage my schedule around the 3 AM release of my dumb cartoon show.
You're not wrong. I should have said cliffhanger of the week though. Every episode has to have a hook to get you excited for the next one. Very few shows just end on that episode and you can pick it up when you want next.
I honestly don't know which is worse. I've seen plenty of shows with episodes that end on a cliffhanger, but I don't really know if that's as bad as the way shows are just generally structured these days. Comedies are really the only shows where each episode has a clearly structured beginning, middle and end, and if there is a B or C plot it usually ties into the main plot in some clear way, at least by the end. Everything else, binging or weekly, tends to have a story structured in a way so every episode just kinda runs together, with binging making it out to be like watching one really long movie that'll still leave things on a cliffhanger to get you to watch the next season.
>But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
Do you even remember TV before streaming?
I do, but it doesn't mean that everything was a hook to the next episode. And we don't need to go back to the old ways. In fact, it was fricking annoying. I'm in my 30s and I never enjoyed needing to set aside my Sunday night or "set my VCR/DVR" for something. And generally if I liked a show, I just kept watching it.
It used to be that your favorite show got one or two "to be continued" episodes a season. Now, every single one is. There's a difference between an ongoing plot and a dramatic finish every episode.
"Netflix writing" became so ubiquitous that people started getting surprised by the idea of a show that tells a cohesive story that wraps in one season and doesn't bait for another season that isn't confirmed or doesn't end every episode in a way where not enough is resolved that you can comfortably stop watching and pick up later. They were purposefully writing and producing shows to be binged for a number of years and then decided that was a bad idea and now they expect people to hate binging now that it's not financially viable to mass produce new shows every few months.
> But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
This still happens with the shows being dropped all at once, so it has nothing to do with weekly releases
>But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
Netflix's shows have the opposite problem. They have whole episodes where nothing happen because they think people will just binge watch their series. But when you don't, it's glaring.
They would loose half their audience if their series were released on weekly basis. Who would continue to watch a show where nothing happens three weeks in a row.
That's a circlejerk general that's up 24/7 regardless of whether or not the show's airing or any new dragonball thing is coming out. Not even remotely in the same ballpark as weekly threads for other shows I'm talking about.
>The weekly format is responsible for the general about one of the most popular animes of all time, that has a viewer base in the tens of millions and makes billions yearly.
whats even dumber is dumping 4 episodes of an 8 episode season and then making everyone wait half a year for the next 4 episodes and then making them wait 3 years in between seasons
Can you imagine watching X-men 97, and each episode starts with a "Previously on the X-men..." narration summary of the previous episode?
That shit would get annoying fast.
There's a simple solution to that.
Just don't have a narration summery and reasonably assume that the person watching episode 7 of a show has also watched episode 6 and knows what's going on. Or are you too dim to remember something that happened a mere week ago?
I've watched entire seasons of older shows in 1-2 sittings that do that and if I want to, I skip them. Same with intros and ending credits for every episode.
Older generations of anime fans have been doing this for decades, moron. I guess I shouldn't tell you though, since you wouldn't have an excuse to b***h about zoomers then.
Or if you just dont want to waste time watching the same 3ish minutes of animation and music again
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>aaaahh must have NEW thing at all time! I can't enjoy something I've already seen!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but I binged ALL of Star Trek (before my trek came out obviously) and skipped most of the title sequences because it literally meant the binge would’ve been ten hours longer. I like the intros to for the most part
>Hurr I like binging more because it saves me time
This is the stupidest fricking defense of batches I always fricking see. If you're caught up it's 20 to 50 minutes a week, and barely a fraction of the day, when you binge it's the entire fricking day.
Do you despise the act of watching a godddamn show so much you'd rather eat one day of it so you don't have to think about it for weeks?
What makes you think that people "binge" watching are literally watching the entire show in one sitting? >NO YOU DON'T GET IT YOU NEED TO WATCH IT OVER AN ARBITRARY PERIOD OF TIME OR ELSE IT DOESN'T COUNT! >if you watch the tv show, and like the tv show, and leave it at that, you actually hate it because I said so
And you call anyone else moronic? Lmao.
You can do that anyway you dense chucklefrick. The only difference is you're begging literally everyone else in the world to confrom to your way of watching a given show.
Which doesn't matter anyway, since we're talking about it lasting in the cultural zietgiest. And I didn't call anyone in particular moronic, but since you stepped up I'm glad you're up for the label sport
>since we're talking about it lasting in the cultural zietgiest.
And here lies the root of the problem. You can't just enjoy something, your enjoyment of said product is altered by how much you see people arguing about it online, which is stupid. You have the mentality of a toddler and don't understand that there's nothing wrong with just enjoying a show. No, that isn't enough. You need to see """""discussion""""" online or else it isn't good or popular, as if that fricking matters.
>Claims I'm the one with the toddler mentality when you're the one claiming a show should every episode at once and how we should all kneel to how you watch it
Gee anon, that sounds a lot like projection to me
No one said what you're claiming was stated, schizo. I have no idea where you're even getting that from. Nice job acting like the underaged idiot you claimed I was like, lmao.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice try zoom zoom, your entire "argument" is hinging on things literally nobody said and goalpost moving
Go be a moron somewhere else
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>your entire "argument" is hinging on things literally nobody said and goalpost moving
Ironic since you claimed that I said shows all need to be dumped at once despite that coming out of your mouth and not mine. The lack of self awareness coming from you is hilarious. >moron calls someone else a moron
Classic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because that's what binging usually entails, you disingenuous toddler brained dipshit. Your defense of the "binge" format is being able to watch at your leisure, which you can do anyway, you can watch the episodes anyway you want, the only difference is the value of paitence, which you clearly don't have because you're a toddler brained zoomer
>n-no u
Even more classic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You happened to jump to an absolutely idiotic conclusion and when told this was wrong you just started seething. I never mentioned universal conformity to a batch released format yet you claimed I did despite no direct or indirect evidence to the contrary. I don't even think you know what we were originally talking about at this point, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Whoop,
Your post is literally coping and claiming things I never said.
This disucssion is about binge vs. weekly formats, which you can't have both, you have to pick one, and big companies tend to make that the norm and thus universal conformity, you defending that means you're defending that conformity in one way or another.
Either way, you're a dumbass zoomer who's actively fighting the point, and doesn't have the paitence to wait a week for an episode.
These morons think people bingewatch 50 episodes in a day when 3 still counts
>Implying that applies to shows that are no longer then 12 episodes.
Frick off with that mentality that most shows that failed due to binge watching had no more than 25 episodes at the most.
>What makes you think that people "binge" watching are literally watching the entire show in one sitting?
Because mongoloids in this very thread are saying exactly this
Your post is literally coping and claiming things I never said.
This disucssion is about binge vs. weekly formats, which you can't have both, you have to pick one, and big companies tend to make that the norm and thus universal conformity, you defending that means you're defending that conformity in one way or another.
Either way, you're a dumbass zoomer who's actively fighting the point, and doesn't have the paitence to wait a week for an episode.
You stated that people who binge watched shows actually hated watching the shows they watch because [reason], which I referenced and called you moronic for saying. Your comprehension of my posts is bad enough but apparently you aren't even reading your own. It's funny seeing you b***h and moan about poor arguments and goalpost moving when that's exactly what you're doing.
Because, it doesn't take that long to watch a single episode of a show. It takes MORE time to watch it in a batch.
Stop projecting onto me how fricking infantile and stupid you are, and for that matter stop posting, every new post you make is worth less and less.
So now you're admitting that you said something that I referenced in the post you linked to earlier, despite stating that you never said that. Congratulations.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Uhhhh, ackshully what you said is kinda like what I said, despite the context being wrong, and being in bad faith
Shut the frick up zoomer
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now you're not even denying it, you're just coping.
This, you can simply watch one episode a day and you can easily be caught up in a season which are usually 10 or so episodes; anyone who uses "watching 50 or 100 episodes" isn't the same shit and are usually few currently airing shows that has that many episodes to them.
I like the weekly format because of live threads
shit doesn't really happen when you dump it all at once, the catalog gets spammed to high heaven nitpicking everything and no actual discussion
>the catalog gets spammed to high heaven nitpicking everything and no actual discussion
That happens regardless. Why do you think extending the release schedule somehow changes that? The same fricking thing happens anyway, barley anyone discusses anything here, it's just constant nitpicking and shitposts ad infinitum until they get tired and move onto something else to screech about.
Releasing everything at once kills discussion of it long term.
Since the place I come to discuss cartoons is Cinemaphile, where ninety percent of the discussion is various flavors of shitposting, this isn't as big a detriment.
The only reason they stagger episodes now is because it helps them retain subscribers, dipshits. The whole point was to pay for something that wasn't like TV and now they are turning back into TV to try and make a few more bucks.
If it's good then releasing it weekly is going to work out better. If it's bad (Netflix Original) then shit it out all at once so it can be over fast. Most streamers have solved this already.
The "binge" format doesn't just kill discussion, it outright kills relevance.
No matter how good or bad a given show is, if it's released all at once, it has maybe a week or two max before it leaves everyone's minds and never thought about again.
And in turn leave no impact, on any future discussions either.
There is no greater example of than Jojo Stone Ocean, which was massively hyped for a series with a long and respected history over the years and it was killed by Netflix releasing all of its episodes in batches. With its final batch being all but drowned out when everyone went to go watch the other series that were airing instead, leaving it to be forgotten.
Stone ocean was killed cause it wasn't a season, it was the entire series
Until the final season bojack horseman had its seasons fully dumped and that never stopped people from discussing it
t. doesn't know jackshit about Jojo
Stone Ocean is an arc it the series anon, it's all one story. Diamonds are Unbreakable and Golden Wind aren't two different series, they're two different arcs in the Jojo manga
Which in any case doesn't change the goddamn point.
Yes it does, jolyne's story is done
Dumping a season of x-men isn't gonna kill the series which is what op is screeching about, you just wait for season 2 while posting your shitty theories online
Thoe whole series is about a Jojo and each of their stories are done, Stone Ocean was literally the first and only series that was released in bulk which killed off any interest compared to previous Jojo stories.
Yeah, no shit it's not gonna kill the series, the next arc is universally agreed to be the best one.
But the binge format killed any hype that Stone Ocean itself had; despite being attached to a series as popular as Jojo's. This didn't happen to Diamond or Golden Wind. The binge format took what was a season of a wildly popular show and completely dragged that season down to irrelevance.
It killed Jojos hype, like its not even debatable that the 3 batches were a bad way to release the show. The episodes they ended at werent even good cutoff points, it was just a mess. Which is a shame because everything from episode 30 on is peak Jojos.
Yeah, there's a reason why no one talked about JoJo Part 6 despite JoJo being one of the biggest anime ever. And before someone say "Part 6 was just shit" it's still better than Part 1 which was actually remembered unlike Part 6.
I prefer dragged-out weekly releases if only because it tends to increase the amount of porn made. Modern rule 34 artists have major FOTM syndrome, and as soon as a show leaves the public consciousness they drop it like a hot rock
it really depends if the creators wants to create conversation in social media for weeks
for example amphibia and the owl house had weekly release to keep the conversation for weeks compared to jojos stone ocean that was ruined cause the entire season was released the same day compared to previous seasons, it inst important this last case, its just jojos
Yeah, none of that changes the goddamn point. Even more with Jojo's case because the manga had been out for years, Stone Ocean was just it animated.
Dumping the entire season X-Men WOULD kill it, at least in a few weeks, because people would've watched it, talked about it for a week and then forgot about it the week after
Not really. I enjoy watching shows weekly, especially longer productions that actually do well to build up secrets and drama and theories from week to week, but then again there's also upsides to being able to watch at your own pace, and my appreciation for the show isn't dulled by it. Hell, there's plenty of shows that are better off watching in sets of 3-4 because not every writer can make the weekly format work well for them.
People say it hurts communities and discussion, but if you duck out of discussion and such because it wasn't FOTM, or that you knew you couldn't appreciate it if you binged it but still did anyways, then I'm glad you got filtered. I wouldn't want to talk to you anyways.
Massive cope. The biggest anime of last year was all dropped at once. The biggest streaming series was all dropped at once. X-Men 97 is a hit because it’s great not the weekly schedule. The absolute state of consumers in this thread >I NEED ARTIFICIAL HYPE AND WEEKLY DISCUSSION MAN!
Yes, though Scott Pilgrim would've suffered WAY worse had it came out weekly. The show was doomed to fail regardless of what happened, it just wasn't what anyone wanted.
God, imagine the shitposting that would have happened while waiting for episode 2 to confirm that Scott was still alive.
I genuinely believe that people should be forced to consume shit a slower pace for their own good, and that binge-watching being the default now has done irreparable damage to many show's fandoms. And anyone who tries to pretend that community or discussion doesn't matter while posting on Cinemaphile is full of shit
I'd argue that it's more of a decrease in media literacy in general. This image did more damage to literacy than any amount of bingeing. The prevailing idea of 'just take everything at face value, don't even think deeper about it' was a much bigger issue.
The problem is that there's close to zero nuance when discussing media literacy. It's either "take everything at face value" or "make up whatever random shit you want because Death of the Author", with zero middle ground between them.
I genuinely believe that people should be forced to consume shit a slower pace for their own good, and that binge-watching being the default now has done irreparable damage to many show's fandoms. And anyone who tries to pretend that community or discussion doesn't matter while posting on Cinemaphile is full of shit
releasing at once has nothing to do with success.
Marvel has released most of their series weekly and no one got the clamor X-Men is getting.
Likewise Netflix has released series all at once that were a success.
The guy is coping his series sucks.
Wandavision and Loki were huge when they were airing. Moon Knight/Iron Fist wasn't as big, but I could still tell when those shows were airing each week. The only major failure was Secret Invasion, and that was because the negative PR killed it out the gate.
Its worth noting that Wandavision's hype completely fell apart in the last episode, like it was a night and day difference by the end. People were drawn in by the atmosphere and presentation and mystique of where things were going, I have huge doubts that it would have garnered so much excitement if everyone just tore through it in a few days.
>No fricking way people would have liked it more
There is an entire catalogue of Netflix's shows that prove otherwise.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're just assuming those shows would have flopped if they were weekly releases.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're just assuming those shows would have flopped
Maybe your dictionary is restricted by either spending too much time on Cinemaphile or Tik Tok, who can tell the difference nowadays.
We were talking about the reception of a show and more specifically its finale. "Flopping" has nothing to do with it, we weren't talking about numbers but time investment and how much people would get mad at a dull finale based on it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You dont have any evidence that Stranger Things wouldnt have cultural relevance as a weekly show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I bet Stranger Things would have even more cultural relevance, honestly. Like The X-Files.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cultural relevance
again parrotting shit while having no reading comprehension at all. No need to continue
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Calm down and stop getting triggered at common terms.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he actually believes Netflix's viewing figures
Anon... Their whole business runs on getting people to pay monthly while using as little of their servers as possible by actually streaming. What they do is hype up shows through marketing and make it LOOK like everyone's watching it, to make people sign up for Netflix to not miss out on the new big show everyone's watching. But then most people don't actually watch the stuff, leaving Netflix with a bigger profit because the servers aren't being accessed. That's why you get all the artificial hype just before a new season is released and then the first week or so and then nobody cares, while people still discuss shows like The X-Files to this day.
With how short those episodes were there'd be loads of people tearing through it in an afternoon and then everyone else would be spoiled on the ending and it would have soured the whole thing.
Everybody can acknowledge that the weekly format makes for better discussions.
All at once is fine for those with the time to binge watch everything, but then everyone who can't binge it is left dodging spoilers and missing out on that big burst of conversation when the show first drops.
Two episodes a week is a happy medium.
>imagine if you got to watch the whole show instead of drip feeding like it was the 1970s
Why are people so shitty at discussion that they don't know how to talk about single episodes as they watch?
Yes. If LOST or The X-Files was released today all in one go then neither would have been anywhere near as enjoyable, because you wouldn't think over an episode and puzzle over clues or worry over characters for a week while eagerly awaiting for the next episode, you'd just race through all of it and only care about the season finales, like you see happening with basically all shows that release all in one go. The only thing that matters is the finale because that's the only time people stop to digest what they've watched.
That's before you get into discussing the show with other people, which becomes impossible when it's all released in one go because first you have to deal with not everyone having binged as many episodes as you so there's spoilers and then once everyone's caught up half of the viewers have already moved on to discussing other shows. Only the most friendless neets whose main motivation is consuming as much media as quickly as possible win with the all-in-one-go method.
I especially don't understand why the frick it was the streaming giants that introduced the idea. Their whole business model hinges on people wanting to subscribe for multiple months and then they just went full moron and introduced a curse on television shows that goes against their own model.
If we're talking about people who don't go through the whole show in a week then releasing the whole show in one go has no upside, so there's no point to it. If it's released in one go then with a lot of shows you CAN'T wait unless you're quarantining yourself online and at work, because some jackass is going to spoil the shit that happens later in the show even without meaning it. It's ridiculous how many times I've seen someone bring up some finale plot point of a show in some discussion that is nowhere near the show. If you're a neet who doesn't have that problem then you can just wait until the show has finished airing all episodes and then watch it at your leisure.
>If you aren't [watching the whole thing in one week], there's no upside
There is an upside: I often like watching 2-4 episodes per week. >If it's released in one go, then you CAN'T wait because someone will spoil it for you
Skill Issue
>Skill Issue
The vast majority of people can't be autismally shut in like you. If a release system only caters to your small slice of society then it's a shitty release system.
You don't need to be shut-in, you just need to not have a skill issue. To be shut in would be to not participate at all, which takes no effort and therefore no skill. It seems like your only options are lose and lose. You win nothing. You lose. Good day sir.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If reddit could be distilled into a post it would be this.
It really is odd. Amazon could have suckered people into a month or two of subscribing for Fallout. Even just dropping a few episodes at the start and then switching to weekly releases would net them people paying for another month. I'm no bean counter but it just seems silly. It seems like they're just convinced its the model people want because its such an established norm.
I'd understand it if they released two or three episodes to start with as a giant pilot and then went weekly. It must be better for their servers as well to space it out over time, surely? It just doesn't make any sense at all. If anything I'd expect them to go full moron in the other direction and offer you a new episode a week ahead of time if you pay a fee. At least then it would make monetary sense and would fit in with how Amazon just keeps showing you shit that you have to sign up for other services to actually watch.
It's also a marketing failure because Fallout's a huge franchise and they could be selling all kinds of shit just from the hype of the show, but since they released it all in one go you're not getting people discussing it and keeping up the hype. You've either got people afraid to discuss it because they haven't finished it, or they've finished it and are afraid of spoiling people(my brother-in-law mentioned the show but I could say nothing except "it's good" because I've watched it all and he hasn't, as a very recent example), and then once those two types of people have synced up like a week or month after the show has released it's already old news with some new show having released. Instead of it being kept on everyone's minds for half a year like Game of Thrones was, where it became such a water-cooler show that people bought mugs with the emblems of their favourite houses and shit. That shit just isn't going to happen when a show is released in one go.
didn't they drop mr mrs smith (trash tv, i ragret) weekly or did i hear my customers wrong one time
plebian ofc so i'll never understand a corpo flip flopping on what they do with their products
>Only the most friendless neets whose main motivation is consuming as much media as quickly as possible win with the all-in-one-go method.
The most popular streaming service among the masses is Netflix who use the binge model the most and also the most popular streaming shows. The idea in this thread that weekly releases are needed for popularity or discussion has no basis in reality
Lame justifications for why every streaming service needs to devolve back to the days of network TV, because zoomers just NEED their water cooler talk, isn't much of a discussion.
Something older than bingewatching is considered zoomer now. Frick logic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Man you are moronic
I've never seen a more obvious zoomer pretending to be old. Imagine being so young that you think zoomers invented the discussion of shows with your peers.
Absolute moron. Weekly discussions and theorizing a piece of media is something people did decades of.
And just like zoomers, you speedread what I wrote so you could jump down my throat.
But let me go ahead and reiterate my point so it's easier for you to process:
Zoomers are the only ones who enjoy talking about a show more than the show itself. The show is practically tertiary to the "discussion", (re: theorycrafting and headcanons) around said shows. If there's not at least a dozen other people watching at the exact same pace, squeeling like teenage girls at the same moments, analyzing minutia at the exact same rate, they can't engage with it.
To them, a series quality is entirely decided by its potential to become a social event, not any intrinsic value of the writing, characters or setting.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
ok zoomer
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fiction is inherently a social event. It has no meaning in and of itself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yawwwwwn okay, cool, just binge your slop and shut up homosexual.
I've never seen a more obvious zoomer pretending to be old. Imagine being so young that you think zoomers invented the discussion of shows with your peers.
At least the subject is completely on topic, instead of it being a screenshot of some show creator talking about politics like twitter posts are usually used. Twitter screenshots in OP should be an instant prune but this time it was okay.
Is it so hard to say we can have both and not choose between one option over the other? Some shows can just be dumped all at once and some can be weekly releases. The ones with weekly releases are ones with ongoing stories that you think will be engaging for the audience to watch and discuss. For ones you don't think turned out good or don't really have an ongoing story, just drop them all at once.
I dont even know if thats true. The Gwimbly episode of Smiling Friends was able to generate a ton of hype, if the whole season was dropped at once it would have potentially been overshadowed. There's something to be gained by giving artists time to draw fanart or create content around your season. But I think you're right that there are shows that benefit from being available all at once.
Batch release killed Jojo Part 6.
On the other hand, Edgerunners was popular despite that. Maybe it would have been the most popular anime of the decade so far with a weekly release.
Binging was a novelty.
X Men 97 is the current hottest counter example because there's no way episode 5 would have had the impact in the normie sphere it's having if people weren't forced to sit for weeks on this. It occupies a space in people's life for a period of time where the think about it.
>hurr discussion is pointless
Are you guys actually autistic? How do you think works of fiction become popular culture? What are you doing on this website?
But it is a different kind of discussion, only really focusing on the start and end points of the season. You have to watch it ASAP or spoilers run rampant. It's talking about the entirety of it because there just isn't time to focus on the minutia of the content and explore it in detail to appreciate the nuance that goes into the creation process. As long as you remember it being okay, that's all the matters, and you'll probably just replace thinking about it with whatever next okay comes around instead of fulling engaging with the material.
>There can still be discussion if all the episodes are uploaded at the same time.
Except half the viewers will be afraid of discussing the show because they've either only seen half the episodes because they have a job and don't dare look in case someone spoils them on a future thing, or because they've seen all of it and don't want to spoil people who haven't seen the finale. If you haven't noticed how much less people are discussing binge shows then you're wearing blinders. Basically the only place where it isn't a problem is this site, because the expectations is to have things spoiled for you, with people posting leaks and shit to really get ahead of the curve.
That's because this place in general is stupid. If it's not shitposting about a show, it's shitposting about twitter screencaps. And I'll gladly take the former.
A cool fight happens in episode 5
In a binge format it gets glossed over because their is an even cooler moment in episode 8.
In a weekly format that cool fight scene will get the full benefit of a week for people to analyze it and let it stand as a good moment.
No. Stranger Things and Squid Game were able to imbed themselves into popular culture on the binge format. It's more on you if your show is forgotten in a week.
I don't get why they still do these batch releases. Surely subscription tv has been around long enough for them to poll the audience and figure out what maintains the most viewership?
I think they're just afraid that people will revolt and call them greedy if they stop the batch releases, accusing them of trying to milk the audience by forcing them to subscribe for more than one month to binge multiple shows. It doesn't really make sense with how they're introducing ads and upping the prices everywhere, but it's the only thing I can think of that makes any kind of sense.
Yes and no. Let's be honest Scott Pilgrim wouldn't have stayed relevant if it was weekly and it being released all at ounce was for the best since it already have a niche following that will gush about it anyways whereas X-Men as a brand is huge so it can sustain a weekly release to keep interest aflot...HOWEVER I'm not seeing a huge influx of discussion surrounding X-Men 97 in comparison to other Marvel shows that released on Disney+ and even the YT Sphere seems to treat it with irrelevance despite how positive word of mouth its been getting I guess it's because it turned out fine that there's no outrage grifters so all you really have left are fans who were going to like it regardless and shills leaving to not much to discuss.
If Scott pilgrim just set itself as an actual adaptation rather than a weird attempt at an OVA I think a weekly schedule would’ve done well for it. Hell I think this as a second season would’ve been better received
outrage grifters, especially the really far right ones are absolute fricking cancer. They seek nothing but to derail discussions for the most moronic of shit, and they probably do it all in the name of a certain orange man
>All the X-Men discussion is on twitter and reddit
There's not much discussion over there either just mainly reactions and people keep saying to themselves thar it's good. Meanwhile it's pretty dead on Cinemaphile
>Episode 5 is the only piece of Disney TV content to trend first since like the first Disney+ shows.
What? Even She-Hulk fricking trended 1st. It's not hard for big shows to get top trends on Twitter since corpos bot results and pay shills to hype it up what anon is saying is that the amount of interest in X-Men 97 is very small in comparison to other Marvel shows outside complete flops like Echo because the show is just fine its not particularly good or bad which is what drifters were hoping for but this far the only real complaints are in regards to the pacing, the wonky visuals and the voice acting.
Weekly is better. The people who only care to binge will just binge when they hear the season is ending so they can see the finale. From a practical standpoint, if your finale is shit, you can make people wait 9 weeks for it, getting money off of their views. Whereas with dumping it all, they find out in a couple days.
Yes
Slow release increases series discussion and relevancy online, which helps build up the fanbase
Larger fanbase = more successful show and more seasons
with how fast info travels across the internet and how attention deficit the current viewer in general is, it's honestly a Kobayashi Maru, it would depend what do you wish or your business angle
If you want big numbers in the shortest time possible dumping every episode is the play, specially since it's akin to movie cycle, but you risk of the series being completely forgotten in just as same amount of time
The weekly is is you wish for the series and any possible commercialization for the long run, at risk of being very slow
the best exmple I have is how Jojo Part 6 was widely talked the first month only to be forgotten another month later
Yup. If binge release method was so great, Netflix would of done it for the currently airing Dungeon Meshi like they did for Stone Ocean. But alas, it's poop.
Godzilla Singular Point worked as a weekly release because speculation and theory crafting allowed a greater understanding of the plot. The english release being pure binge ruined any hope of discussion beyond those pirating.
It's not about paying attention. When you wait for the next episodes, you ruminate about what you've seen so far and are left with a stronger impression once it wraps up.
This is like basic psychology and I can't believe people are even arguing about it. You could argue that it's "morally" better for consumers to release it all at once but from an interest and anticipation standpoint it's always better to space it out. Hell it's why stuff like cliffhangers work in the first place
Yeah, I never cared for the binge format, myself. It especially doesn't really work if theres supposed to be a major twist at some point, or an overarching mystery, because everyone will likely spoil it before you have a chance to even decide if you want to watch it.
Even with seasons that have completely released, I never actually binge watch them in one sitting. I usually at most watch 1-2 episodes a day while I'm eating dinner or something.
>It especially doesn't really work if theres supposed to be a major twist at some point, or an overarching mystery, because everyone will likely spoil it before you have a chance to even decide if you want to watch it
This is stupid. Do you just never watch completed shows then out of fear it's already discussed?
Fun fact: When Charles Dickens originally released his "books" one chapter at a time in weekly/monthly newspapers people would be standing at the docks in France calling out to arriving ships asking for news about their favourite character, desperate to find out what had happened since the last time they got a delivery. You had people reading the new chapter aloud to a room of people and then they all discussed it. It was their era's version of a prestige drama show and a huge reason why his stories became such incredibly huge hits despite being incredibly thick books with lots of padding.
A drip-feeding release schedule at its base is behavioral programming. There are a couple of different reasons why you would do that, outright malignant ones such as a prolonged repetition of a message to influence the consumer ("I heard it x times, it must be true") or a crutch if your content is poor quality. In that case you structure the content in a way that ends the pieces in a state of tension in an attempt to build up desire for continued watching that may not form when the content is watched in a single sitting (the tension is immediately relieved in that case).
Bottom line, if your intentions are not in the best interest of the consumer, you will push for a drip feed release.
absolutely agree. I forgot about the Scott Pilgrim sequel almost immediately, but consistent X-men discussion has been around for a like, two months, now?
There are so many anons advocating for weekly releases but how do you know that's actually a superior way to engage in media and not just what you're used to?
But it could still be just because most people in this thread are used to it. Like, if I gathered a bunch of people under the age of 21 who loved the binge format and they said it's fantastic, that wouldn't prove it's a better way to enjoy media since it's a biased sample size.
I'm wondering since this is such a subjective debate, what data does one need to collect to "prove" what method is better for a profitable series? Subscriptions? Viewers? Internet discussions over time? Stranger Things is very profitable even if the online discussion doesn't last as long as LOST, so it must succeed somewhere.
>I want to be able to watch the series on my time!
You can still do that, you can just wait for the season to finish, nowadays most seasons are like 8 episodes. Just watch it at your leisure then, it’s not like the series disappears once the season is over or the streaming service runs old episodes out order like on tv. Christ almighty what a bunch of insufferable homosexuals.
this show sucked and the creator is salty about it no one with a brain watched this garbage past the first episode if xmen 97 was all out id watch it all right now delusional homosexual is delusional
Completely. It kills a lot of the hype and discussion.
There's no bigger meme than internet "discussion".
said the anon in a discussion on the internet
You really did not think that through huh?
>oh no, people aren't talking about a show I hate so I can't call them Black folk and marketers
Local discussion of media amounts to nothing but what's essentially a food fight, and its non-existence doesn't detract from its quality. I'm personally glad that things I like don't get talked about, I just watch it and enjoy it and move on. It doesn't look worse in my eyes just because I don't see a bunch of people screaming over it on the internet.
Maybe an autist would see that differently but I'm not autistic, thank frick.
Fricking YouTube addicts, quit lying.
>Fricking YouTube addicts, quit lying.
Guess again
I don't give a shit about what mentally ill people are saying online
They are many and you are but one.
why are you here then
>I don't give a shit about what mentally ill people are saying online
I agree, you being one of them you dopamine addict. Wait a fricking week you stupid child.
Never hurt stranger things
What are using as the control group here? Like Stranger Things is successful, that's true, but what are you using as an example of something of comparable cultural relevance that had a weekly schedule?
Last Season held off the last 2 episodes until later, and that season was far more discussed than any previous season past 1, so it holding off episodes can help even something as big as Stranger Things
One of the reason why Jojo Stone Free is medicore, beside that it is, is that they release half of it in one interval and the other half a year later. There was no hype
Reddit
Stone Ocean. Stone Free was the Stand.
I can't believe people still call Part 5 "Golden Wind". We should hang people who misname Jojo parts or stands.
>I can't believe people call Vento Aureo (Golden Wind) Golden Wind
Shit yourself to death, weeb, it's accurate.
Who the frick cares about "hype" other than chronically online social media addicts and youtube grifters?
fpbp, all the consoomers raging at this
What "hype" would there possibly be for a show like Scott Pilgrim though?
What "hype" would there possibly be for a show like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure though?
Outside Part 5 which was mostly due to the torture dance going viral Jojo doesn't get much hype beyond select corners of the internet it's like saying Baki is hype because people keep sharing the same memes on twitter.
I can tell you only started watching Jojo when Part 5 was airing. Jojo never had "hype" outside of Part 5 because of meme culture at that time. The show was very niche up until maybe towards the end of Part 4. Even then why give a frick about "hype"? None of the "hype" adds anything to the show whatsoever. You new jojogays are so moronic you tried to force "hype" with monthly manga chapter releases with The Jojo Lands without realizing that manga moves slower and on top of that only 12 chapters will be released a year because its MONTHLY.
Nah
No sane adult actually cares about discussing cartoons.
>No sane adult actually cares about discussing cartoons.
And yet you're here.
most modern discussion is just talking about how the shows shit because its woke or because the creator isn't perfect leftist.
Thats discussion here.
Cinemaphile is not a reflection of the real world
>most modern discussion is just talking about how the shows shit because its woke or because the creator isn't perfect leftist.
Reddit and Tumblr exist if you don't want that
LOL the 1 pity thread you have weekly, to shit on the show and doesnt even reach max replies in 1 day?
Weekly schedules are a mistake
And who is to blame here exactly?
Netflix, mostly.
Yeah. Wholehearted agreed with ya on that.
>twitter thread
you're not wrong, but OP does bring up a good point.
its an interesting topic.
on one hand: the viewer gets full access to the show. no being left on cliff hangers for a week. they can watch at their own pace.
on the other hand: it can make a show run through its relevant cultural spotlight much quicker, with the majority of shows losing relevantly shortly after their final episode airs. this can severely hurt the chances of companies picking up new shows in the future (and no, it wont improve the quality).
This but even that aside they got a point but on the Disney front......even the way they are releasing is moronic on their own platform.
Weekly releases honestly keeps traction a show wants to have trending, since it draws in more people curious to see what the big deal is. The thing is these companies want to sell you everything as a whole package because the amount they ask for if they did make you pay 'episode to episode' would turn them away.
Imagine if you had to pay for EVERY Hazbin Hotel episode instead of just ONCE with Prime? Do you take the risk to attempt milking your audience or do you just bundle and hope it's a success and oversellfs like crazy?
No. I would much rather be capable of enjoying an entire product at my leisure than artificial tension be derived by drip feeding content. Why are you denying modern convenience for tedium?
Community Building and the increased potantial for bottle episodes that allow the characters and setting to breathe.
>Community
I do not give a frick about internet communities.
>bottle episodes
Bottle episodes are trash on the same tier as recap episodes (which you only make if there are problems with production).
I do think that dropping everything all at once is suboptimal for serialized shows though. I think in those cases they should pace things out to at least one ep a day over the span of a couple weeks, that way viewers have time to discuss theories and stuff as the story builds up to the climax. I'm personally not a fan to spacing out serialized shows to once a week (except for shows that are being produced as they are airing) because I feel like it's easy for fans to forget about details so you end up with a lot of discussion where people are being confused/reminded about stuff that happened a month ago.
I like when series had 20+ more serialized episodes a season, as it gave me more time to get invested in the characters and setting.
When your trying to cram an entire plot into 8 hours of content it mostly feels hollow. Movies get away with short term storytelling because they are filled with spectacle but if you want me to watch for more than 3 hours you gotta give me some fatty meat to sink my teeth into.
>Community Building
GO OUTSIDE??????
>Waaaaaa, because I'm shit at time mangement, the whole world should bend to me waaaaaa
NTA but shut the frick up, you're annoying.
I don't remember asking for your worthless opinion
Based anon of taste
ATA shut the frick up, you're annoying
NTA but you're right
Can't you just watch it week to week?
Then wait until the whole season is out and watch at your leisure
>I would much rather be capable of enjoying an entire product at my leisure
You can actually still do that
Tpbp
all narrative enjoyment is artificial. that is the point of stories. and nothing stops you watching the whole thing at once when a product is fully released anyway.
Why not just make a long movie? People are stupid, they'll watch a week's worth of content if it's serialized but if it was a movie that they could pause that's a problem.
I feel like a lot of older shows are more fondly remembered because the time between new episodes allowed for the previous content to marinate better in their heads, and they could appreciate what they got more. Nowadays a cool moment of animation gets lost in the conversation when people can just move past it without paying much attention. It makes no sense to try with audiences like you.
>People are stupid
This is all you really needed to say.
>the time between new episodes allowed for the previous content to marinate better in their heads
I think it's more about repeated exposure giving the viewer less of an opportunity to just forget about the series entirely. I'm sure The Simpsons is still going because of boomers watching it at the same time in the same place for so many years on end that it's a habit to them more than anything else.
And some people just want that from a show.
I mean, back when television was the only option, even if you have 50 channels, a lot of the time you'd end up watching the same rotation of syndicated re-runs because there was nothing on that interested you in that time-slot. So, you'd be forced to get more familiar with the content just due to the constant exposure. And that's a different experience than waiting for a show to come out, binging it in one day, and then moving on to the next thing never to return.
Like, even your example of the Simpsons, we have 90s internet boards with them complaining about it not being as good as the previous seasons or almost verbatim arguments from the modern age by Season 6. Yet, that's Golden Age content in hindsight now. Reality is contextual to the experience we encounter, but people don't want to think about their engagement with the world around them because they'd prefer not to think. That's why they want the flow of content and for it to be forgotten for the next thing after it ends.They don't have to use their brain if they don't have to keep up with more than the moment to moment buzz of social media.
>Reality is contextual to the experience we encounter, but people don't want to think about their engagement with the world around them because they'd prefer not to think. That's why they want the flow of content and for it to be forgotten for the next thing after it ends.They don't have to use their brain if they don't have to keep up with more than the moment to moment buzz of social media.
Your tone implies that it's a bad thing. I'd much rather have grown-up with the seemingly endless amount of TV and movies to pick from that's available now than having wasted watching so many reruns of the same few shows repeatedly only because I had a few worse alternatives. But the real difference is that there were people talking about shows on the internet back then, but now it seems like shows are being made with stupid internet discussions in mind.
It is a bad thing. How can enjoy art and content on any deeper level than jangling keys if you just keep putting your head in the stream and drinking whatever gushes past you head? I'm not saying the availability of content is bad, far from it, but to just want a constant flow of entertainment because you want new entertainment is just an addiction to fantasy and escapism.
And shows being made to illicit buzz is nothing new, even before the internet. Dallas filmed and intentionally leaked several fake scenes from a season premiere to obscure a plot point for the sake of discussion, when they could have just downplayed it entirely. But, that's a different issue from this conversation. The release schedule does impact the types of discussion being had, and that experience can change your relationship to the show.
You are a pretentious moron.
And you have nothing important to say.
>It is a bad thing.
No, it's not.
>The release schedule does impact the types of discussion being had, and that experience can change your relationship to the show.
I don't give a hot shit about discussion of a show. Right now I can go and watch every single episode of The Jetsons and enjoy it, but find absolutely nobody to discuss it with and it doesn't matter in the slightest if I do. If you need other people to discuss the media you consume to enjoy it, then it's a "you" problem.
If you have a problem with other people enjoying discussion of media, then that is a "you" problem. Nothing is preventing you from merely binging the entire series once it has been fully released. If you are so against discussion it literally shouldn't matter to you how a show gets released so long as it does.
When did I say I had a problem with other people enjoying discussion of media? I just don't believe that releasing it in a way that caters to those people is inherently better.
NTA but the logic goes like this
>If it doesn't matter to you then net happiness goes up with the weekly format because they will be happy also.
You get it, exactly.
My point is not about content availability. If anything, I personally prefer to just binge watch show but I think its both a worse experience (personally) and hinders a show's impact, notoriety, discussion. And if you don't care, what does it matter if you wait until the show is complete to binge it after the fact? You can just binge it then. If you want an influx of content, as you mentioned, there are countless other things out there to watch (especially if you don't want to discuss them in-depth and just want to consume mindless content from any stream of media.) Or is the argument really you just want your shiny new thing now regardless of anyone else? Making the conversation you want rather than the impact the change of formatting has on its audience?
And who knows, maybe you would have enjoyed that episode of Jetsons more with a conversation about it? Or at least feel differently? How we react, engage with, and think about media inherently changes the way we connect and receive it. And that's part of the fun of watching stuff. Otherwise, just get high and watch lights if all you want is stimulation.
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The Jetsons is really the example you're going with? Are you 80?
I would have gone with Space Pirate Captain Harlock, but this is Cinemaphile, so I went with Cinemaphile media I watched most recently. My point is that there is a nearly endless amount of TV and movies out there already that you could spend every waking moment of your life watching if you could. And all the shows that have already finished airing are available to watch in that binge format.
But the moron that posted
compared just watching what's available from beginning to end if you want to to "jangling keys" while drip-feeding the newest, shiniest content to the viewer in a way artificially create hype and so shitty websites can milk views by making shitty news articles for as long as they can about the newest thing as art being "enjoyed on a deeper level", when jangling keys is a much more apt comparison.
Oh, so you really are just butthurt that all of media doesn't cater to your specific whims?
If you only want to watch one episode a week, nothing is stopping you.
>just let yourself get spoiled because everyone else watched it as soon as it came out bro
And that's also why bingewatching is terrible, you can never be on the same page as most of the other viewers until you watch the whole thing in one go.
Why do you care more about engagement with others than enjoying the show on its own merits?
Because it is completely additive to the enjoyment of the show for its merits, in fact it can actually make me apprieciate the shows merits more as someone else might give me a different viewpoint or notice something I didn't.
But more importantly, why do you care how I enjoy a show? Does it affect you at all?
It's hilarious seeing you idiots call others moronic children and mindless consumers when your defense is "I can't enjoy it on my own". you're incapable of pacing your own consumption of a product and when you're done you get mad at the way the show was distributed instead of yourself. If you can't enjoy a show for what it is and need to shitpost about it online in order to get enjoyment out of it, you're juss stupid, and I don't even watch netflix shows so before you complain about me wanting everything to be a binge-fest, don't bother.
>But more importantly, why do you care how I enjoy a show? Does it affect you at all?
The fricking irony of this is fricking astounding, holy shit.
>BUT I MIGHT GET SPOILED!!!
Then don't go to the places where you might get spoiled? It's not fricking hard.
>But more importantly, why do you care how I enjoy a show?
The same reason you care so much about being on the same page with others while watching a show. Isn't it obvious?
You're getting upset at an argument he's not making.
Imagine being so impatient you can't wait a single week for a new episode.
homie it's several weeks for the whole season
How is a half hour to an hour of content a week drop feeding?
I think more people would’ve hated this adaptation if Netflix did that, just slowly dropping a show that’s completely disconnected from the source material seems odd
>missing out on the fun of discussing new episodes every week and eagerly waiting to see what happens next
I miss TV sometimes
Tbh I don't really care, I like week to week scheduled events and all episodes at once.
imagine being so unbearbly fat and annoying that you think watching something once a week is an insuferable torture lmao.
You're a moron
The takes off controversy would of been twice as bad if not for the fact that you could assuage some fears with the ending reveal.
But otherwise yes bingeing shows is generally terrible.
no it wouldn't, people really were just being crybaby homosexuals about the twist
calling it a "controversy" is a female trait
I'd be ok with 1 episode a week as long as there's no mid season hiatus
Yeah releasing them every week would have helped notscot pilgrim since they lied to the Audience and they would have avoiding people spilling the beans on day one
Yes I agree. Just don't do whatever the frick Invincible did though.
I think all at once is fine for a series that only has one season and no plans for more. If there's a chance for more then spacing it out is better so there's less of a gap between the release of the last episode and the firs one for the next season.
You would have had more discussion for your show if you made an actual adaption or sequel instead of bait and switching your audience into watching the story of another character where the titular character is missing for 80% of the series
I mean it was a sequel and it did generate way more discussion than if it was just an adaptation
>it would have had more discussion if it was just a 1:1 retelling of a story that has already been discussed to death from the comic, movie and even to a degree video game versions of it years prior
yes subversion is gay.congratulation 90% of the discussion is just negative about how its a lie and bad faith false advertisemenr, just look at how anime is 10x more popular than western shows and they do 1:1 adaptions despite fans already knowing the manga chapters.
congratulation 90% of the discussion is jusr about how its a bait and switch like heman
yeah and anyone who disagrees is very stupid
I definitely prefer releasing in bulk in terms of convenience, but I can understand the argument in favor of scheduled releases because it drags out the discussion cycle. For me I can't be bothered to sit and wait around every week so I will just wait until they're all out.
>Creator of shit garbage shares opinion no one asked for
wow
whoa
10000000%
I just wait until it’s all out. It’s not hard.
He thinks the release schedule was the reason his show flopped? Dude is fricking deluded. lol
Yes. Dumping the whole series at once means you have to stay off the internet until you have time to sit down and binge-watch the whole thing or else some c**t will inevitably spoil every plot point, and you can't discuss any of the episodes individually because there's no reason to speculate about something that's probably going to be answered in an episode you haven't watched yet.
>you can't just stop half way through and talk about random shit, you actually have to watch the show
>you have to not be moronic and not get spoiled by just easily avoiding the areas where you would get spoiled
What do you do if you want to watch an older series that's already been out for years but didn't see when it was released? The entire plot is out there, any discussion you'd find is guaranteed to be dominated by people who have already dissected every possible idea. Do you avoid the show because you're missing out on that period of speculation and discovery, or do you simply not be an aspie and enjoy the show on your own schedule?
I'd just watch it whenever because I wouldn't have to worry about everyone around me talking about the latest developments in current thing. If I wasn't interested enough in the series to watch it on release, then I probably would've forgotten any potential spoilers I saw when it was new and I wouldn't care about missing out on the discussions.
A movie is a single work designed to be watched in one sitting and unless it's Oscarbait it's usually going to be around two hours long. That's an easily manageable amount of time, unlike (for example) the new Fallout series, which runs about 8 hours. If I hadn't stayed offline until finishing that then I would've been immediately spoiled by all the morons screeching over a major reveal that happened during the final end credits sequence in the 8th hour of the show.
>A movie is a single work designed to be watched in one sitting
So just like these binge tier shows you're complaining about?
Keep reading anon, you can finish the post. I believe in you.
I did, and you brought up dumb shit like getting spoiled (which would be your fault anyway). It doesn't change the fact that these shows are designed to be binged and watched in the minimum amount of sessions, like a movie.
And yet they're split into multiple episodes. Why do you think that is?
Do you hate movies, anon?
Yeah it's basically the same principle as a film, it's out all at once until maybe a sequel gets released. I don't really see the problem.
Do you think we'd have all the amazing Gwimbly fanart if they just shat the whole SF season out at once?
Binging is for the terminally online.
I love having the ending spoiled on day 1, I HATE speculating on plot elements, I just want to know how the show ends!
>MUH SPOILERS
If a show can be ruined by having minor plot elements revealed early, it wasn't a good show in the first place. It's about the journey, not the destination. Learn to regulate your emotions you subhuman moron.
Man you people really forgot what a cultural juggernaut Game of Thrones was before they tanked it. All of that was because people were invested in the characters and story beats slowly building throughout the season.
The whole "we're going to have a season/series long mystery with a constant cliffhanger finale!" formula bullshit is what ruins so much potentially good TV right now.
Breaking Bad did it perfectly where every season was it's own start-to-finish challenge and you could hypothetically end the show at any season and still have a decent conclusion. There was no real big drip-drop mystery with that show and it was great. That's a prime example of, "You know how it's going to end but you rewatch the show anyway because it's so good".
moron, the last season of Breaking Bad, the highest rated season, was entirely designed around the mystery of the opening scene. They wrote backwards from there.
But you're confusing character development and building story beats for a drip-drop mystery when my post was about fricking GoT.
>It got the highest ratings cause of a mystery
>Not cause it was the last season
Speculating on plot elements from Season to Season > Speculating on plot elements from Week to Week
Bullshit, you were never around for peak weekly television then. Imagine how shit Breaking Bad or Mad Men or The Wire discussion would be if they dumped the whole season at once.
Nah, I know how good weekly discussion can be. After all, peak weekly television is still going on: it's called Kamen Rider and it blows the shit you listed out of the water. It just doesn't change the fact that Season to Season is the better rule to follow than Week to Week, but I say that because I actually care about the quality of the show itself, whereas people like (You) only obsess about having the opportunity to talk about these shows with people like me, Lol!
>but I say that because I actually care about the quality of the show itself, whereas people like (You) only obsess about having the opportunity to talk about these shows with people like me, Lol!
Either this is a GPT Post or you have a really weird misconception what that word means.
Assuming I dont care about the quality of shows based off me liking weekly discussion is projection, dude. Its not my fault you're an argumentative weirdo.
Yeah that's, that's not what projection means.
>the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds.
You are an argumentative weirdo.
Projection is when you attribute to others what you consider about yourself; that's the bit that's "in their own minds." It's not projection unless you think how I say you think is actually how I think, which would be silly to think, wouldn't you think--or I'd have doubts you'd think at all given your previous couple of posts, I'd think.
You're melting down because I said I liked weekly discussion of shows, get a life dude.
>you're melting down
Now THAT'S projection
You are boring as frick dude, you can have the last reply if you want.
The only thing I'm boring is your mother, and in that regard you can call me Freeport McMoRan, lol. Lmao.
Reiwa as a whole is ass though
Still fun as a weekly watch though
Besides, Super Sentai's been pumping out kino after kino, so equivalent exchange and all that.
>I'm too stupid to understand the value of patience and pacing
This kind of thinking has poisoned media and we're only now starting to heal.
Streaming didn't invent binge-watching you moronic zoomers, people have been binging anime since filleruto started airing
We called them marathons you larping zoom zoom
that's not a marathon, zom zom.
But streaming make binge-watching popular boomer
That's as old as the internet.
Literally the opposite, there is no value in watching a single episode in a week if not for the discussion on the internet.
I would disagree. Assuming a show is good, it helps to give your brain time to fully process each episode. Appreciate the work that went into it. Mull over why this character said a certain line. Enjoy the beauty of an exceptionally well-composed shot or piece of animation.
At least speaking from personal experience, shows I've binged tend not to stick in my mind. Anything that I've watched more spread out I can remember more vividly.
Weekly releases only benefit third party companies and content creators. Real people enjoy being able to watch a show when they want to how they want to without arbitrary limits placed on them by large companies. People that want their media drip fed to them are cucks pure and simple.
Only sane person in this thread
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most cucked person in this thread
Samegay
>Binge Culture is cringe. Right, Scott?
>Right you are, Scott.
Really interesting to see such a wide range of opinions on this, I've always thought that it was kind of a generally agreed point that weekly releases were better.
I wonder if it comes down to how much you like fandoms in general, or if you just want to watch something once and be done with it forever and move on immediately for the next show.
Binge dumps mean you can't let a cliffhanger sit and let people think about what just happened.
Which is good if you want to gloss over a weakness in your logic, but terrible if you actually have a dramatic development you want to cash in on.
It also changes how you have to structure your script. Episodic shows really get nothing out of getting dumped, while complicated prestige shows with many balls in the air can count on the audience to remember more details.
There are many shows where the structure or concept make binge watching a terrible experience.
Comedy shows, especially absurdist ones, are bound to become grating after a while.
So those really gain from pacing themselves out. How much Uncle Grandpa can a sane human watch in one sitting?
There's no reason NOT to dump it all at once.
only a israelite would prefer a weekly release.
From a business perspective I get why they do it. People stay engaged and continue next month's subscription cycle, plus "discussion."
But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
Sometimes on a lazy Sunday I just want to crush the entire show and I won't be able to get back to it for a while, since I'm an adult and can't be fricked with trying to manage my schedule around the 3 AM release of my dumb cartoon show.
>Everything is mystery of the week bullshit
That means the opposite of what it used to mean.
You're not wrong. I should have said cliffhanger of the week though. Every episode has to have a hook to get you excited for the next one. Very few shows just end on that episode and you can pick it up when you want next.
At least not major shows.
I honestly don't know which is worse. I've seen plenty of shows with episodes that end on a cliffhanger, but I don't really know if that's as bad as the way shows are just generally structured these days. Comedies are really the only shows where each episode has a clearly structured beginning, middle and end, and if there is a B or C plot it usually ties into the main plot in some clear way, at least by the end. Everything else, binging or weekly, tends to have a story structured in a way so every episode just kinda runs together, with binging making it out to be like watching one really long movie that'll still leave things on a cliffhanger to get you to watch the next season.
>But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
Do you even remember TV before streaming?
I do, but it doesn't mean that everything was a hook to the next episode. And we don't need to go back to the old ways. In fact, it was fricking annoying. I'm in my 30s and I never enjoyed needing to set aside my Sunday night or "set my VCR/DVR" for something. And generally if I liked a show, I just kept watching it.
It used to be that your favorite show got one or two "to be continued" episodes a season. Now, every single one is. There's a difference between an ongoing plot and a dramatic finish every episode.
"Netflix writing" became so ubiquitous that people started getting surprised by the idea of a show that tells a cohesive story that wraps in one season and doesn't bait for another season that isn't confirmed or doesn't end every episode in a way where not enough is resolved that you can comfortably stop watching and pick up later. They were purposefully writing and producing shows to be binged for a number of years and then decided that was a bad idea and now they expect people to hate binging now that it's not financially viable to mass produce new shows every few months.
> But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
This still happens with the shows being dropped all at once, so it has nothing to do with weekly releases
>But the problem is that it requires every show to have a "cliffhanger" that keeps you coming back. Everything is mystery of the week bullshit so you need to turn on the next episode to get any answers to the plot.
Netflix's shows have the opposite problem. They have whole episodes where nothing happen because they think people will just binge watch their series. But when you don't, it's glaring.
They would loose half their audience if their series were released on weekly basis. Who would continue to watch a show where nothing happens three weeks in a row.
Then just fricking watch it later. This isn’t like cable where you had to watch live premieres
Man, internet really did kill the experience of watching and talking about shows, huh.
Weekly threads for a series are fun and no amount of crying from bingebros will change my mind.
So much great stuff comes out when you pace the series properly.
Weekly threads are why mentally ill people like /dbs/ plague this website
That's a circlejerk general that's up 24/7 regardless of whether or not the show's airing or any new dragonball thing is coming out. Not even remotely in the same ballpark as weekly threads for other shows I'm talking about.
>The weekly format is responsible for the general about one of the most popular animes of all time, that has a viewer base in the tens of millions and makes billions yearly.
whats even dumber is dumping 4 episodes of an 8 episode season and then making everyone wait half a year for the next 4 episodes and then making them wait 3 years in between seasons
It's even dumber when they call those batches "seasons"
Weekly dumps fricking suck.
Can you imagine watching X-men 97, and each episode starts with a "Previously on the X-men..." narration summary of the previous episode?
That shit would get annoying fast.
There's a simple solution to that.
Just don't have a narration summery and reasonably assume that the person watching episode 7 of a show has also watched episode 6 and knows what's going on. Or are you too dim to remember something that happened a mere week ago?
I've watched entire seasons of older shows in 1-2 sittings that do that and if I want to, I skip them. Same with intros and ending credits for every episode.
>skipping intros
Fricking zoomers.
Intros are nice when you aren't binge-watching.
Older generations of anime fans have been doing this for decades, moron. I guess I shouldn't tell you though, since you wouldn't have an excuse to b***h about zoomers then.
The only acceptable reason to skip an OP or ED is if it's absolute shit.
Or if you just dont want to waste time watching the same 3ish minutes of animation and music again
>aaaahh must have NEW thing at all time! I can't enjoy something I've already seen!
Not him but I binged ALL of Star Trek (before my trek came out obviously) and skipped most of the title sequences because it literally meant the binge would’ve been ten hours longer. I like the intros to for the most part
Skip them? Do you watch anime openings all the time?
Yes, dumping is awful
letting the audience stew on what they saw is important, especially for more dense or dramatic shows
>Hurr I like binging more because it saves me time
This is the stupidest fricking defense of batches I always fricking see. If you're caught up it's 20 to 50 minutes a week, and barely a fraction of the day, when you binge it's the entire fricking day.
Do you despise the act of watching a godddamn show so much you'd rather eat one day of it so you don't have to think about it for weeks?
What makes you think that people "binge" watching are literally watching the entire show in one sitting?
>NO YOU DON'T GET IT YOU NEED TO WATCH IT OVER AN ARBITRARY PERIOD OF TIME OR ELSE IT DOESN'T COUNT!
>if you watch the tv show, and like the tv show, and leave it at that, you actually hate it because I said so
And you call anyone else moronic? Lmao.
You can do that anyway you dense chucklefrick. The only difference is you're begging literally everyone else in the world to confrom to your way of watching a given show.
Which doesn't matter anyway, since we're talking about it lasting in the cultural zietgiest. And I didn't call anyone in particular moronic, but since you stepped up I'm glad you're up for the label sport
>since we're talking about it lasting in the cultural zietgiest.
And here lies the root of the problem. You can't just enjoy something, your enjoyment of said product is altered by how much you see people arguing about it online, which is stupid. You have the mentality of a toddler and don't understand that there's nothing wrong with just enjoying a show. No, that isn't enough. You need to see """""discussion""""" online or else it isn't good or popular, as if that fricking matters.
>Claims I'm the one with the toddler mentality when you're the one claiming a show should every episode at once and how we should all kneel to how you watch it
Gee anon, that sounds a lot like projection to me
No one said what you're claiming was stated, schizo. I have no idea where you're even getting that from. Nice job acting like the underaged idiot you claimed I was like, lmao.
Nice try zoom zoom, your entire "argument" is hinging on things literally nobody said and goalpost moving
Go be a moron somewhere else
>your entire "argument" is hinging on things literally nobody said and goalpost moving
Ironic since you claimed that I said shows all need to be dumped at once despite that coming out of your mouth and not mine. The lack of self awareness coming from you is hilarious.
>moron calls someone else a moron
Classic.
Because that's what binging usually entails, you disingenuous toddler brained dipshit. Your defense of the "binge" format is being able to watch at your leisure, which you can do anyway, you can watch the episodes anyway you want, the only difference is the value of paitence, which you clearly don't have because you're a toddler brained zoomer
>n-no u
Even more classic
You happened to jump to an absolutely idiotic conclusion and when told this was wrong you just started seething. I never mentioned universal conformity to a batch released format yet you claimed I did despite no direct or indirect evidence to the contrary. I don't even think you know what we were originally talking about at this point, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.
Whoop,
These morons think people bingewatch 50 episodes in a day when 3 still counts
Ah yes, because Netflix sure does release 50 fricking episodes in a day don't they?
>Implying that applies to shows that are no longer then 12 episodes.
Frick off with that mentality that most shows that failed due to binge watching had no more than 25 episodes at the most.
>What makes you think that people "binge" watching are literally watching the entire show in one sitting?
Because mongoloids in this very thread are saying exactly this
Your post is literally coping and claiming things I never said.
This disucssion is about binge vs. weekly formats, which you can't have both, you have to pick one, and big companies tend to make that the norm and thus universal conformity, you defending that means you're defending that conformity in one way or another.
Either way, you're a dumbass zoomer who's actively fighting the point, and doesn't have the paitence to wait a week for an episode.
You stated that people who binge watched shows actually hated watching the shows they watch because [reason], which I referenced and called you moronic for saying. Your comprehension of my posts is bad enough but apparently you aren't even reading your own. It's funny seeing you b***h and moan about poor arguments and goalpost moving when that's exactly what you're doing.
Because, it doesn't take that long to watch a single episode of a show. It takes MORE time to watch it in a batch.
Stop projecting onto me how fricking infantile and stupid you are, and for that matter stop posting, every new post you make is worth less and less.
So now you're admitting that you said something that I referenced in the post you linked to earlier, despite stating that you never said that. Congratulations.
>Uhhhh, ackshully what you said is kinda like what I said, despite the context being wrong, and being in bad faith
Shut the frick up zoomer
Now you're not even denying it, you're just coping.
yeugh i remember blasting through daredevil
waking up the next day like why the frick did i do that
This, you can simply watch one episode a day and you can easily be caught up in a season which are usually 10 or so episodes; anyone who uses "watching 50 or 100 episodes" isn't the same shit and are usually few currently airing shows that has that many episodes to them.
I like the weekly format because of live threads
shit doesn't really happen when you dump it all at once, the catalog gets spammed to high heaven nitpicking everything and no actual discussion
>the catalog gets spammed to high heaven nitpicking everything and no actual discussion
That happens regardless. Why do you think extending the release schedule somehow changes that? The same fricking thing happens anyway, barley anyone discusses anything here, it's just constant nitpicking and shitposts ad infinitum until they get tired and move onto something else to screech about.
>live threads
>reading comprehension
Reading comprehension is a meme
Dilate troon
Releasing everything at once kills discussion of it long term.
Since the place I come to discuss cartoons is Cinemaphile, where ninety percent of the discussion is various flavors of shitposting, this isn't as big a detriment.
The only reason they stagger episodes now is because it helps them retain subscribers, dipshits. The whole point was to pay for something that wasn't like TV and now they are turning back into TV to try and make a few more bucks.
I don't get the problem, if pacing is the issue then you have just watch the show at your own leisure.
If it's good then releasing it weekly is going to work out better. If it's bad (Netflix Original) then shit it out all at once so it can be over fast. Most streamers have solved this already.
The "binge" format doesn't just kill discussion, it outright kills relevance.
No matter how good or bad a given show is, if it's released all at once, it has maybe a week or two max before it leaves everyone's minds and never thought about again.
And in turn leave no impact, on any future discussions either.
There is no greater example of than Jojo Stone Ocean, which was massively hyped for a series with a long and respected history over the years and it was killed by Netflix releasing all of its episodes in batches. With its final batch being all but drowned out when everyone went to go watch the other series that were airing instead, leaving it to be forgotten.
Stone ocean was killed cause it wasn't a season, it was the entire series
Until the final season bojack horseman had its seasons fully dumped and that never stopped people from discussing it
t. doesn't know jackshit about Jojo
Stone Ocean is an arc it the series anon, it's all one story. Diamonds are Unbreakable and Golden Wind aren't two different series, they're two different arcs in the Jojo manga
Which in any case doesn't change the goddamn point.
Yes it does, jolyne's story is done
Dumping a season of x-men isn't gonna kill the series which is what op is screeching about, you just wait for season 2 while posting your shitty theories online
>isn't gonna kill the series
Is that where to goal post is now?
>Well, it'll be much less hype yeah, but it probably won't lead to cancellation...
Thoe whole series is about a Jojo and each of their stories are done, Stone Ocean was literally the first and only series that was released in bulk which killed off any interest compared to previous Jojo stories.
Yeah, no shit it's not gonna kill the series, the next arc is universally agreed to be the best one.
But the binge format killed any hype that Stone Ocean itself had; despite being attached to a series as popular as Jojo's. This didn't happen to Diamond or Golden Wind. The binge format took what was a season of a wildly popular show and completely dragged that season down to irrelevance.
It killed Jojos hype, like its not even debatable that the 3 batches were a bad way to release the show. The episodes they ended at werent even good cutoff points, it was just a mess. Which is a shame because everything from episode 30 on is peak Jojos.
>It killed Jojos hype
More like killed off the cancerous newbies who absolutely made jojo's fandom into dogshit
basado
Yeah, there's a reason why no one talked about JoJo Part 6 despite JoJo being one of the biggest anime ever. And before someone say "Part 6 was just shit" it's still better than Part 1 which was actually remembered unlike Part 6.
I prefer dragged-out weekly releases if only because it tends to increase the amount of porn made. Modern rule 34 artists have major FOTM syndrome, and as soon as a show leaves the public consciousness they drop it like a hot rock
That's why I'm grateful for those who legit keep drawing their waifus
it really depends if the creators wants to create conversation in social media for weeks
for example amphibia and the owl house had weekly release to keep the conversation for weeks compared to jojos stone ocean that was ruined cause the entire season was released the same day compared to previous seasons, it inst important this last case, its just jojos
>rule 34 tard
please just suicide
Does he think more people would care if they only watched the first episode and stopped?
I think western series seasons being so short hurts it more than releasing them in large batches.
Yeah, none of that changes the goddamn point. Even more with Jojo's case because the manga had been out for years, Stone Ocean was just it animated.
Dumping the entire season X-Men WOULD kill it, at least in a few weeks, because people would've watched it, talked about it for a week and then forgot about it the week after
>"Do you agree with this tweet, Cinemaphile?"
Why is anyone replying to this shit?
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Not even worth a (You)
Learn to have a point zoom zoom
Yes
>cumming without edging for 3 hours
ngmi
Not really. I enjoy watching shows weekly, especially longer productions that actually do well to build up secrets and drama and theories from week to week, but then again there's also upsides to being able to watch at your own pace, and my appreciation for the show isn't dulled by it. Hell, there's plenty of shows that are better off watching in sets of 3-4 because not every writer can make the weekly format work well for them.
People say it hurts communities and discussion, but if you duck out of discussion and such because it wasn't FOTM, or that you knew you couldn't appreciate it if you binged it but still did anyways, then I'm glad you got filtered. I wouldn't want to talk to you anyways.
Wasn't Scott Pilgrim dialy instead of weekly?
No the entire series was released in one sitting
Where's evidence he said this? Can't find a tweet anywhere
Massive cope. The biggest anime of last year was all dropped at once. The biggest streaming series was all dropped at once. X-Men 97 is a hit because it’s great not the weekly schedule. The absolute state of consumers in this thread
>I NEED ARTIFICIAL HYPE AND WEEKLY DISCUSSION MAN!
>The biggest anime of last year was all dropped at once.
I don't remember which one it was.
I think anon is thinking of Cyberpunk Edgerunners but that was more 1.5-2 years ago
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Also Netflix popular because binge-watching
>The biggest anime of last year was all dropped at once.
It's pretty telling then that I have no idea what you're talking about.
>was
I would say that the X-Men is an example of why this is bad, the discussion of this show is pure cancer. Extending it for a whole month was a mistake.
Yes, though Scott Pilgrim would've suffered WAY worse had it came out weekly. The show was doomed to fail regardless of what happened, it just wasn't what anyone wanted.
God, imagine the shitposting that would have happened while waiting for episode 2 to confirm that Scott was still alive.
I'd argue that it's more of a decrease in media literacy in general. This image did more damage to literacy than any amount of bingeing. The prevailing idea of 'just take everything at face value, don't even think deeper about it' was a much bigger issue.
Careful anon, Cinemaphile is now triggered by the term media literacy.
The problem is that there's close to zero nuance when discussing media literacy. It's either "take everything at face value" or "make up whatever random shit you want because Death of the Author", with zero middle ground between them.
The shitstorm from episode 1 caused would've been the stuff of legends. I'm almost glad we didn't end up on that timeline.
It's more like "my show flopped and I wanted it to be as popular as x show" it's just Sour grapes
I genuinely believe that people should be forced to consume shit a slower pace for their own good, and that binge-watching being the default now has done irreparable damage to many show's fandoms. And anyone who tries to pretend that community or discussion doesn't matter while posting on Cinemaphile is full of shit
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releasing at once has nothing to do with success.
Marvel has released most of their series weekly and no one got the clamor X-Men is getting.
Likewise Netflix has released series all at once that were a success.
The guy is coping his series sucks.
Wandavision and Loki were huge when they were airing. Moon Knight/Iron Fist wasn't as big, but I could still tell when those shows were airing each week. The only major failure was Secret Invasion, and that was because the negative PR killed it out the gate.
Its worth noting that Wandavision's hype completely fell apart in the last episode, like it was a night and day difference by the end. People were drawn in by the atmosphere and presentation and mystique of where things were going, I have huge doubts that it would have garnered so much excitement if everyone just tore through it in a few days.
If it was released on binge people would have liked it more because no weeks of speculation were invested in it.
No fricking way people would have liked it more, 90% of the threads here were people speculating on what was going to happen.
>No fricking way people would have liked it more
There is an entire catalogue of Netflix's shows that prove otherwise.
You're just assuming those shows would have flopped if they were weekly releases.
>You're just assuming those shows would have flopped
Maybe your dictionary is restricted by either spending too much time on Cinemaphile or Tik Tok, who can tell the difference nowadays.
We were talking about the reception of a show and more specifically its finale. "Flopping" has nothing to do with it, we weren't talking about numbers but time investment and how much people would get mad at a dull finale based on it.
You dont have any evidence that Stranger Things wouldnt have cultural relevance as a weekly show.
I bet Stranger Things would have even more cultural relevance, honestly. Like The X-Files.
>cultural relevance
again parrotting shit while having no reading comprehension at all. No need to continue
Calm down and stop getting triggered at common terms.
>he actually believes Netflix's viewing figures
Anon... Their whole business runs on getting people to pay monthly while using as little of their servers as possible by actually streaming. What they do is hype up shows through marketing and make it LOOK like everyone's watching it, to make people sign up for Netflix to not miss out on the new big show everyone's watching. But then most people don't actually watch the stuff, leaving Netflix with a bigger profit because the servers aren't being accessed. That's why you get all the artificial hype just before a new season is released and then the first week or so and then nobody cares, while people still discuss shows like The X-Files to this day.
With how short those episodes were there'd be loads of people tearing through it in an afternoon and then everyone else would be spoiled on the ending and it would have soured the whole thing.
Everybody can acknowledge that the weekly format makes for better discussions.
All at once is fine for those with the time to binge watch everything, but then everyone who can't binge it is left dodging spoilers and missing out on that big burst of conversation when the show first drops.
Two episodes a week is a happy medium.
>imagine if you got to watch the whole show instead of drip feeding like it was the 1970s
Why are people so shitty at discussion that they don't know how to talk about single episodes as they watch?
Yes. If LOST or The X-Files was released today all in one go then neither would have been anywhere near as enjoyable, because you wouldn't think over an episode and puzzle over clues or worry over characters for a week while eagerly awaiting for the next episode, you'd just race through all of it and only care about the season finales, like you see happening with basically all shows that release all in one go. The only thing that matters is the finale because that's the only time people stop to digest what they've watched.
That's before you get into discussing the show with other people, which becomes impossible when it's all released in one go because first you have to deal with not everyone having binged as many episodes as you so there's spoilers and then once everyone's caught up half of the viewers have already moved on to discussing other shows. Only the most friendless neets whose main motivation is consuming as much media as quickly as possible win with the all-in-one-go method.
I especially don't understand why the frick it was the streaming giants that introduced the idea. Their whole business model hinges on people wanting to subscribe for multiple months and then they just went full moron and introduced a curse on television shows that goes against their own model.
>you'd just race through all of it and only care about the season finales
YOU would, YOU.
If we're talking about people who don't go through the whole show in a week then releasing the whole show in one go has no upside, so there's no point to it. If it's released in one go then with a lot of shows you CAN'T wait unless you're quarantining yourself online and at work, because some jackass is going to spoil the shit that happens later in the show even without meaning it. It's ridiculous how many times I've seen someone bring up some finale plot point of a show in some discussion that is nowhere near the show. If you're a neet who doesn't have that problem then you can just wait until the show has finished airing all episodes and then watch it at your leisure.
>If you aren't [watching the whole thing in one week], there's no upside
There is an upside: I often like watching 2-4 episodes per week.
>If it's released in one go, then you CAN'T wait because someone will spoil it for you
Skill Issue
>Skill Issue
The vast majority of people can't be autismally shut in like you. If a release system only caters to your small slice of society then it's a shitty release system.
You don't need to be shut-in, you just need to not have a skill issue. To be shut in would be to not participate at all, which takes no effort and therefore no skill. It seems like your only options are lose and lose. You win nothing. You lose. Good day sir.
If reddit could be distilled into a post it would be this.
Not how being a shut-in works.
It really is odd. Amazon could have suckered people into a month or two of subscribing for Fallout. Even just dropping a few episodes at the start and then switching to weekly releases would net them people paying for another month. I'm no bean counter but it just seems silly. It seems like they're just convinced its the model people want because its such an established norm.
I'd understand it if they released two or three episodes to start with as a giant pilot and then went weekly. It must be better for their servers as well to space it out over time, surely? It just doesn't make any sense at all. If anything I'd expect them to go full moron in the other direction and offer you a new episode a week ahead of time if you pay a fee. At least then it would make monetary sense and would fit in with how Amazon just keeps showing you shit that you have to sign up for other services to actually watch.
It's also a marketing failure because Fallout's a huge franchise and they could be selling all kinds of shit just from the hype of the show, but since they released it all in one go you're not getting people discussing it and keeping up the hype. You've either got people afraid to discuss it because they haven't finished it, or they've finished it and are afraid of spoiling people(my brother-in-law mentioned the show but I could say nothing except "it's good" because I've watched it all and he hasn't, as a very recent example), and then once those two types of people have synced up like a week or month after the show has released it's already old news with some new show having released. Instead of it being kept on everyone's minds for half a year like Game of Thrones was, where it became such a water-cooler show that people bought mugs with the emblems of their favourite houses and shit. That shit just isn't going to happen when a show is released in one go.
didn't they drop mr mrs smith (trash tv, i ragret) weekly or did i hear my customers wrong one time
plebian ofc so i'll never understand a corpo flip flopping on what they do with their products
>Only the most friendless neets whose main motivation is consuming as much media as quickly as possible win with the all-in-one-go method.
The most popular streaming service among the masses is Netflix who use the binge model the most and also the most popular streaming shows. The idea in this thread that weekly releases are needed for popularity or discussion has no basis in reality
The only Netflix show people actually discuss years later and treat like a normal show with merch and stuff is Stranger Things.
If you want to watch a complete story all at once just watch a movie, shows are a different medium for a reason.
That's the stupidest thing someone said in this thread.
>Twitter screenshot of an opinion by a shitty shows creator
What an absolutely quality post OP.
At least this thread has actual discussion. Go back to your gooning.
Lame justifications for why every streaming service needs to devolve back to the days of network TV, because zoomers just NEED their water cooler talk, isn't much of a discussion.
>the people who want weekly discussion are zoomers
How did you come up with that one?
Zoomers are the only ones who value talking and theorizing about a show over watching the show itself.
Something older than bingewatching is considered zoomer now. Frick logic.
And just like zoomers, you speedread what I wrote so you could jump down my throat.
But let me go ahead and reiterate my point so it's easier for you to process:
Zoomers are the only ones who enjoy talking about a show more than the show itself. The show is practically tertiary to the "discussion", (re: theorycrafting and headcanons) around said shows. If there's not at least a dozen other people watching at the exact same pace, squeeling like teenage girls at the same moments, analyzing minutia at the exact same rate, they can't engage with it.
To them, a series quality is entirely decided by its potential to become a social event, not any intrinsic value of the writing, characters or setting.
ok zoomer
Fiction is inherently a social event. It has no meaning in and of itself.
Yawwwwwn okay, cool, just binge your slop and shut up homosexual.
Man you are moronic
I've never seen a more obvious zoomer pretending to be old. Imagine being so young that you think zoomers invented the discussion of shows with your peers.
Absolute moron. Weekly discussions and theorizing a piece of media is something people did decades of.
At least the subject is completely on topic, instead of it being a screenshot of some show creator talking about politics like twitter posts are usually used. Twitter screenshots in OP should be an instant prune but this time it was okay.
Is it so hard to say we can have both and not choose between one option over the other? Some shows can just be dumped all at once and some can be weekly releases. The ones with weekly releases are ones with ongoing stories that you think will be engaging for the audience to watch and discuss. For ones you don't think turned out good or don't really have an ongoing story, just drop them all at once.
I dont even know if thats true. The Gwimbly episode of Smiling Friends was able to generate a ton of hype, if the whole season was dropped at once it would have potentially been overshadowed. There's something to be gained by giving artists time to draw fanart or create content around your season. But I think you're right that there are shows that benefit from being available all at once.
most people discounted Takes off at the first episode
it being released all at once is the only reason anyone was able to see past that
Batch release killed Jojo Part 6.
On the other hand, Edgerunners was popular despite that. Maybe it would have been the most popular anime of the decade so far with a weekly release.
It's not a good example, Jojo Part 6 didn't release all the episodes at the same time, it took them about a year to do it.
They did it in 3 big dumps and it killed discussion.
exacto,no lo subieron todo de una.
Binging was a novelty.
X Men 97 is the current hottest counter example because there's no way episode 5 would have had the impact in the normie sphere it's having if people weren't forced to sit for weeks on this. It occupies a space in people's life for a period of time where the think about it.
>hurr discussion is pointless
Are you guys actually autistic? How do you think works of fiction become popular culture? What are you doing on this website?
Are you stupid? There can still be discussion if all the episodes are uploaded at the same time.
But it is a different kind of discussion, only really focusing on the start and end points of the season. You have to watch it ASAP or spoilers run rampant. It's talking about the entirety of it because there just isn't time to focus on the minutia of the content and explore it in detail to appreciate the nuance that goes into the creation process. As long as you remember it being okay, that's all the matters, and you'll probably just replace thinking about it with whatever next okay comes around instead of fulling engaging with the material.
>There can still be discussion if all the episodes are uploaded at the same time.
Except half the viewers will be afraid of discussing the show because they've either only seen half the episodes because they have a job and don't dare look in case someone spoils them on a future thing, or because they've seen all of it and don't want to spoil people who haven't seen the finale. If you haven't noticed how much less people are discussing binge shows then you're wearing blinders. Basically the only place where it isn't a problem is this site, because the expectations is to have things spoiled for you, with people posting leaks and shit to really get ahead of the curve.
They’re moronic. Cinemaphile was fricking unusable when cyberpunk came out.
That's because this place in general is stupid. If it's not shitposting about a show, it's shitposting about twitter screencaps. And I'll gladly take the former.
A cool fight happens in episode 5
In a binge format it gets glossed over because their is an even cooler moment in episode 8.
In a weekly format that cool fight scene will get the full benefit of a week for people to analyze it and let it stand as a good moment.
No. Stranger Things and Squid Game were able to imbed themselves into popular culture on the binge format. It's more on you if your show is forgotten in a week.
squid game is long forgotten
So SPTO flopped then
I don't get why they still do these batch releases. Surely subscription tv has been around long enough for them to poll the audience and figure out what maintains the most viewership?
I think they're just afraid that people will revolt and call them greedy if they stop the batch releases, accusing them of trying to milk the audience by forcing them to subscribe for more than one month to binge multiple shows. It doesn't really make sense with how they're introducing ads and upping the prices everywhere, but it's the only thing I can think of that makes any kind of sense.
Probably trying to avoid accusations of "crunch culture"
Yes and no. Let's be honest Scott Pilgrim wouldn't have stayed relevant if it was weekly and it being released all at ounce was for the best since it already have a niche following that will gush about it anyways whereas X-Men as a brand is huge so it can sustain a weekly release to keep interest aflot...HOWEVER I'm not seeing a huge influx of discussion surrounding X-Men 97 in comparison to other Marvel shows that released on Disney+ and even the YT Sphere seems to treat it with irrelevance despite how positive word of mouth its been getting I guess it's because it turned out fine that there's no outrage grifters so all you really have left are fans who were going to like it regardless and shills leaving to not much to discuss.
If Scott pilgrim just set itself as an actual adaptation rather than a weird attempt at an OVA I think a weekly schedule would’ve done well for it. Hell I think this as a second season would’ve been better received
outrage grifters, especially the really far right ones are absolute fricking cancer. They seek nothing but to derail discussions for the most moronic of shit, and they probably do it all in the name of a certain orange man
All the X-Men discussion is on twitter and reddit. People come to Cinemaphile to complain about stuff and get upset at twitter screencaps.
>All the X-Men discussion is on twitter and reddit
There's not much discussion over there either just mainly reactions and people keep saying to themselves thar it's good. Meanwhile it's pretty dead on Cinemaphile
Don't know what rock you crawled out from. Episode 5 is the only piece of Disney TV content to trend first since like the first Disney+ shows.
>Episode 5 is the only piece of Disney TV content to trend first since like the first Disney+ shows.
What? Even She-Hulk fricking trended 1st. It's not hard for big shows to get top trends on Twitter since corpos bot results and pay shills to hype it up what anon is saying is that the amount of interest in X-Men 97 is very small in comparison to other Marvel shows outside complete flops like Echo because the show is just fine its not particularly good or bad which is what drifters were hoping for but this far the only real complaints are in regards to the pacing, the wonky visuals and the voice acting.
Weekly is better. The people who only care to binge will just binge when they hear the season is ending so they can see the finale. From a practical standpoint, if your finale is shit, you can make people wait 9 weeks for it, getting money off of their views. Whereas with dumping it all, they find out in a couple days.
Why does nobody does daily releases? It's better than both weekly and releasing all the episodes all at once
It's the worst of both worlds
Yes
Slow release increases series discussion and relevancy online, which helps build up the fanbase
Larger fanbase = more successful show and more seasons
with how fast info travels across the internet and how attention deficit the current viewer in general is, it's honestly a Kobayashi Maru, it would depend what do you wish or your business angle
If you want big numbers in the shortest time possible dumping every episode is the play, specially since it's akin to movie cycle, but you risk of the series being completely forgotten in just as same amount of time
The weekly is is you wish for the series and any possible commercialization for the long run, at risk of being very slow
the best exmple I have is how Jojo Part 6 was widely talked the first month only to be forgotten another month later
Most of the discussion was people complaining about the batch release format. Like it just ended abruptly.
Yup. If binge release method was so great, Netflix would of done it for the currently airing Dungeon Meshi like they did for Stone Ocean. But alas, it's poop.
That Scott Pilgrim show doesn't really benefit from a weekly schedule.
No?
Godzilla Singular Point worked as a weekly release because speculation and theory crafting allowed a greater understanding of the plot. The english release being pure binge ruined any hope of discussion beyond those pirating.
Binging is bad because nobody remembers what the frick happened.
It feels like I'm talking to a room full of braindead zombies that remember bits and pieces of what happened.
So companies should stagger releases because most people are too stupid to fully pay attention to what they watch?
It's not about paying attention. When you wait for the next episodes, you ruminate about what you've seen so far and are left with a stronger impression once it wraps up.
This is like basic psychology and I can't believe people are even arguing about it. You could argue that it's "morally" better for consumers to release it all at once but from an interest and anticipation standpoint it's always better to space it out. Hell it's why stuff like cliffhangers work in the first place
Yeah, I never cared for the binge format, myself. It especially doesn't really work if theres supposed to be a major twist at some point, or an overarching mystery, because everyone will likely spoil it before you have a chance to even decide if you want to watch it.
Even with seasons that have completely released, I never actually binge watch them in one sitting. I usually at most watch 1-2 episodes a day while I'm eating dinner or something.
>It especially doesn't really work if theres supposed to be a major twist at some point, or an overarching mystery, because everyone will likely spoil it before you have a chance to even decide if you want to watch it
This is stupid. Do you just never watch completed shows then out of fear it's already discussed?
Why the frick did they publish all the chapters at once? I can't talk about it now!
Fun fact: When Charles Dickens originally released his "books" one chapter at a time in weekly/monthly newspapers people would be standing at the docks in France calling out to arriving ships asking for news about their favourite character, desperate to find out what had happened since the last time they got a delivery. You had people reading the new chapter aloud to a room of people and then they all discussed it. It was their era's version of a prestige drama show and a huge reason why his stories became such incredibly huge hits despite being incredibly thick books with lots of padding.
lmfao, you absolute moron.
A drip-feeding release schedule at its base is behavioral programming. There are a couple of different reasons why you would do that, outright malignant ones such as a prolonged repetition of a message to influence the consumer ("I heard it x times, it must be true") or a crutch if your content is poor quality. In that case you structure the content in a way that ends the pieces in a state of tension in an attempt to build up desire for continued watching that may not form when the content is watched in a single sitting (the tension is immediately relieved in that case).
Bottom line, if your intentions are not in the best interest of the consumer, you will push for a drip feed release.
It depends, if the show is bad they should release all the episodes at once so discussions of it die faster
Not really no.
All at once is objectively bad for the single reason that you need to avoid the internet completely until you finish the show on your own time.
absolutely agree. I forgot about the Scott Pilgrim sequel almost immediately, but consistent X-men discussion has been around for a like, two months, now?
There are so many anons advocating for weekly releases but how do you know that's actually a superior way to engage in media and not just what you're used to?
We've had a decade plus of binge drops, I think that's a decent enough time to get a decent idea of it.
But it could still be just because most people in this thread are used to it. Like, if I gathered a bunch of people under the age of 21 who loved the binge format and they said it's fantastic, that wouldn't prove it's a better way to enjoy media since it's a biased sample size.
I'm wondering since this is such a subjective debate, what data does one need to collect to "prove" what method is better for a profitable series? Subscriptions? Viewers? Internet discussions over time? Stranger Things is very profitable even if the online discussion doesn't last as long as LOST, so it must succeed somewhere.
>We've had a decade plus of binge drops
no
Weekly is just plain better for memory retention. Imagine if college courses just crammed their entire syllabus in a month.
>I want to be able to watch the series on my time!
You can still do that, you can just wait for the season to finish, nowadays most seasons are like 8 episodes. Just watch it at your leisure then, it’s not like the series disappears once the season is over or the streaming service runs old episodes out order like on tv. Christ almighty what a bunch of insufferable homosexuals.
this show sucked and the creator is salty about it no one with a brain watched this garbage past the first episode if xmen 97 was all out id watch it all right now delusional homosexual is delusional
have a nice day, twitter homosexual.