Do you even think of the damage you're causing these animators and studios, Cinemaphile?
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Do you even think of the damage you're causing these animators and studios?
Why are modern animators/entertainment industry workers in general so vulnerable to unfavorable criticisms? In the early 2000s they'd take that shit as a warning to step their game up and they did, nowadays they get all insulted and find ways to prove the critics wrong instead of proving them right. What gives?
>inb4 joos
Arrested development plus being ushered from college to postgrad to internships without any criticism allowed.
Animation was the most niche and arthouse thing for 60 years
Then Pixar came out and later Disney and they injected infinite money to it.
Animation was the soul of cinema and now it's just a product.
And this people has so much money backing them up that they feel entitled to say "It's impossible for me to fail, why is this happening, everyone else must be wrong!"
>Animation was the most niche and arthouse thing for 60 years
What time period are those 60 years in?
More or less.
1930-1990
>Animation was niche before Pixar
>during the age of theatrical shorts
Niche in the sense it was a very select group of people who went into it.
It was a purely passion pursuit, because handmade frame by frame animation is onerous and painstaking, meaning only full on and borderline autists would go in for it
There were tons of companies that joined the industry back then
>and don't say 2+2 is 4, give me a REAL answer.
Third-generation nepotism
>ban all criticism of your work under the guise of fighting Nazis
>foster a corporate environment where negative criticism is not allowed
>only visit websites like reddit and pre-Elon Twitter that huff your farts 24/7
>create an army of bots that artificially signal boost you, then forget that those are your bots and actually fall for your own propaganda
WTF WHY ISN'T ALL OF THIS ONLINE SUPPORT TRANSLATING INTO TICKET SALES?!?!?!
Because nowadays, they have hordes of fanboys defending their decisions. Brand loyalty is the cause of every problem in the world.
Not just animators, this has been standard practice for every major corporation in the world for a while now: blame the consumer for not liking a product.
Used to be a flop or major backlash was met with:
>we have to do better because people aren't liking this
Nowadays it's:
>we have to double down until those stupid fricking cattle like it, and in the meantime we'll get our mass media cronies to call them dumb, racist, sexist chuds 24/7!
>In the early 2000s
Back when there was no social media
>they'd take that shit as a warning to step their game up and they did,
>nowadays
After social media
>they get all insulted and find ways to prove the critics wrong instead of proving them right.
>What gives?
Social media.
The morons who aniamte these days are all sensitive homosexuals and trannies that are used to their "safe spaces" where nothing bad ever happens, and everyone is so nice and supportive. That's not the real world.
>The morons who aniamte these days are all sensitive homosexuals and trannies that are used to their "safe spaces" where nothing bad ever happens, and everyone is so nice and supportive. That's not the real world.
yup, explains why so much of it is lacking bite
They don't have to do anything they just get paid. Disney pays all the shills defend anything they do
minorities are thin skinned
>says the people who call for genocide after seeing spicy food jokes
Minorities are very thin skinned and fragile though. Nobody actually gets upset or offended about food jokes, people just get annoyed at the hypocrisy about how you can only make white people jokes because non-whites are too fragile to have similar jokes made about them.
>similar jokes made about them
>calling people subhuman is the same as food jokes
lmao
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The only way you could think that the food jokes upset White people is if you don't know any White people. Is that whay Cinemaphile is these days? A bunch of shitskins who have only interacted with White people through the internet or perhaps as their public school teachers?
Because in the past they’d get fired and would have to do better to keep their jobs, but today they’re all diversity hires who won’t get fired because they’re there to meet an ESG quota because studios make more money that way or they’re nepotism hires who won’t get fired.
This is a millennial / zoomer thing. You aren't allowed to be slightly offensive or critical anymore or it's considered harassment and bullying. That's why the older generation, like my dad, is such a hard successful worker who's disciplined and would rather tinker around the house or his shop doing productive shit than sit on the couch and watch movies. He had success whipped into him, he was taught hard work and he was taught to grow thick skin. This doesn't happen anymore
You mean writers, animators are just the working dogs who don't get a say.
Because millennials are pathetic, weak, loser homosexuals.
Nasty wasty!
Twitter causes damage. Normies aren't even aware of 4chin
Wow normies are so unaware, wow not you tho.
why do modern directors feel entitled to an audience
because like
said,they aren't self made directors
They are supermarket can directors
The equivalent to a music industry plant
Like Billie Eilish that came from absolute nothing and had a top ten song in a week
They feel they can't fail, and they don't
Their career is fine, Disney takes the fall.
You do a shit job, you get a shit score.
This guy has collectively lost like 500 million dollars between The Good Dinosaur and now Elemental. How has he not been burned on a stake?
>The Good Dinosaur
had to look this one up, never even heard of it
what were they thinking?
They're way too far up their own asses. They've lost all sense of what's appealing.
they're all living the embodiment of the "no, it is the CHILDREN who are wrong" meme. it's why i don't really care about the writer's strike, replace em all with robots for all i care
>Do you even think of the damage you're causing these animators and studios, Cinemaphile?
Not really, but now that you mention it...
I truly hope they starve and the immigrants they invited to their failing state eat them alive
Am I the only one that honestly wants pixar to go under?
If they keep putting out slop like Elemental and Lightyear, maybe it is time to call it quits. They aren't even making movies for children anymore. Their products are for 30 year old social media users.
Makoto Shinkai made three "What if two kids fell in love amidst a supernatural phenomenon?" movies in a row to great success. Japan is like 98% ethnic Japanese so they never make racial allegories. Parents also don't have to worry about their kids asking what 'nonbinary' means after watching a movie.
Yeah, animated movies used to be about fantastic and unique experiences you can never get in reality since they make this much more possible than live action movies. Who the frick wants to watch an animated movie about the struggles of dating outside of your race but they are elements. No one wants to watch these thinly veiled takes on a random social issues some frick thought would get them brownie points with a loud minority on social media wrapped up in ugly tumblr designs. It's like these people have never learned to properly interact with fiction so they are simply unable to create or even imagine something that doesn't relates to their boring real lives and day-to-day, they just can't separate that.
no but disney needs to die as well for me to feel like pulling out the champagne and celebrating
>disney needs to die
That never going to happen unfortunately, the only chance they had at genuinely folding was in the late 70's early 80's and those times are never coming back....
Never say never, the song and dance can't last forever and all things die with time. Patience, conviction and steadfastness are more valuable than black-pilled homosexualry. Laws can change, values can change as well, and it can happen faster than any would like to admit. The clock is ticking and the pendulum is starting it's back swing, it's gonna be a real interesting decade.
They already almost went bankrupt once in the 80s and had to sell a bunch of shit. Only a miracle CEO brought them back, but they seem intent on staying the course this time.
Big corpos enjoy better life support in the age of mega ETFs and 401ks lifting all boats
I want Pixar to return to their glory days, but I realize this is not an option so yeah, they're better off dead than dragged through the mud like this.
Would also free up a bunch of genuinely skilled animators to get work in the rest of the industry where they don't have to be slaves to Disney.
Their "glory days" was like a 8 year period. It's not going to happen.
I want the whole industry to crash and people just have to start settling for whatever low budget crap people cobbled together in an adjacent state
>Am I the only one that honestly wants pixar to go under?
I want every single megacorp to go under. I want the global economy to crash. I want to see Wall Street executives jumping out of buildings. I want to hear about ex-billionaires committing suicide on the news. I want the entire corrupt house of cards to come tumbling down.
I don't care that much but I guess it'd be nice to see a big studio get fricked due to their own incompetence
I want it to get so bad that Disney ends up selling Pixar to Skydance
no, whats the last good original movie they even made? Up? I can't even remember, it seems like they just started making sequels and shit like Turning Red after that
>Make "What if nonliving things had feelings" movie #22
>Act surprised and confused when critics and audiences are indifferent
Honestly it's still a fine formula. Its the race and homosexualry shit from animated movies being so hamfisted that the movie suffers, and then the entire industry has suffers.
Parents of all races don't want that for their kids
>confusing
What's confusing about it? It looks moronic
>75% fresh
Pixar fragility
You know the well is dry when the thrust of the new Pixar movie is code violations.
Why did it flop anons?
Unimaginative trash.
>what if normal people doing normal people things and living in a normal modern city but they're made of water and fire and also this is an allegory for interracial relationships or something
This is the same damn studio that wrote Ratatouille and The Incredibles. I can't get it through my head how much brain drain they must've suffered when this is a pitch they decide is worth their time in the current year.
It doesn't do anything that a real life person's movie couldn't do, so the cg is a gimmick
This. It's basically a chick flick. I'm past the age of caring about seeing animated movies in theaters and you'd only really go if you had a girlfriend or a kid of which I have neither.
The meme about their movies "X but with feelings" became too real, plus I guess it looks just lame, you know that all the jokes will be about things getting wet or burnt.
yes and it makes me feel powerful knowing these israelites are seething and all i had to do was not watch their shit
Okay Cinemaphile if you're so smart, pitch me the next pixar movie. One that would get people to actually watch it in theaters.
Pixar was supposed to end with Wall E which is coincidentally their last film worth a shit
Up is kino thoughever...
Up is artificially praised because of the first 8 minutes. Everything after that is pure shit. There’s a reason a decade later nobody talks about any part of the film besides the opening
I loved Dug, and the Adventure! aesthetic is severely underrated in general.
Just because you forgot the rest of the movie doesn't mean the rest of us have
literally nobody ever talks about the rest of the movie
Up until Inside Out I still considered them great and, other than cashgrab sequels like Cars 2 and Monsters University, I still liked almost everything they did.
Nothing since, though. I kind of liked Incredibles 2 but it's clearly a missed opportunity and inferior to the original, and since then it's been nothing but slop. I haven't even watched any of their movies since Soul.
Why would we throw a life-preserver when watching them drown is the whole point?
Turning Red seemed like legitimate garbage but I'm not sure what's wrong with the premise of this one. Maybe because it seems like an Inside Out clone or something?
At any rate old Pixar could take a fairly low brow concept like "normal people stuff but as Cars" and make it fun and charming, new Pixar doesn't have the same executional ability so the more boring premises are DOA.
What's wrong is that it's not divorced from reality in any way. It's just a straight racism movie, and people have never really liked those. The only abstraction is the characters, but they make no effort to make them feel like actual elements. They're literally just human races in different forms, none of the actual differences or challenges that these elements would face are even touched upon. Zootopia, for instance, showed how these animals lived and the racism was properly fantasy because it was animal versus animal, not 'black guy that looks like a fox' vs 'white guy that looks like a bunny.'
Zootopia is about racism as a concept, Elemental is preaching about real world racism with a veil of fantasy so thin it might as well not be there. It could've been a live action movie and nothing would have to change about its message.
If you want to see if a high-concept movie is intelligent, ask yourself: would it work if I removed the concept? Zootopia would not work if its characters weren't animals. Elemental would carry the same message if it was about normal people. Or rock people, or whatever the frick. Its concept means nothing to the story.
>Zootopia is about racism as a concept, Elemental is preaching about real world racism with a veil of fantasy so thin it might as well not be there
Right exactly, that's a much better way of putting it than what I said.
Rock People would be kino. Rhyolite would be Black folk. Whites would be granite. Asains sandstone.
Even back then Cars was considered one of their weaker outings.
Now we get nothing but Cars-tier scripts but less visually interest and more steeped in modern politics bullshit.
3D Fantasia, but electronica and rap instead of orchestra.
>Pixar presents: Kanye West's RUNAWAY
I'm not doing your work for you, Bob Iger.
>Rata2ie
>Incredibles 3: Jack-Jack
>The Good Serpent
>Song of the South 2
>Toy Story 4: 2
>Onward and Upward
Sci fi; far future.
A struggling family owned spaceship towing/roadside assistance company is on the brink of failure after the son accidentaly let's a towed ship float into a sun.
Now they have to go after some alleged long lost ship full of riches that they found a clue about so they can scrap it. One family member is big into lost ships but another one doesn't care about the family business and just wants to sell it and give up.
They adventure into deep alien space while a rival party follows them to steal their find. The rival party hires space pirates and things get out of control.
They need to drop the 3 arc structure, the outcast plotline, and stop making movies for fricking babies under the pretence they are deep and make them again for people with a working brain. There, they'll still go under but at least have one last good movie.
This movie premise it's fine, however they weren't creative enough.
If water people is the most dominant, the city should be predominantly designed to them, aka Water/Ice/Vapor themed, Air people shouldn't be clouds, it should be Wind or mini Tornado people and have infraestructure on high altitudes. Earth people should be more diverse not only dirt, it should count rocks, gems, metals, etc.
They were suprisingly uncreative.
they can't be too creative
otherwise they can't be heavy handed about whitey keeping everyone down
>whitey keeping everyone down
But arent the water people the blacks?
What if rapists had feelings? Its called "Rapists", and it follows the story of Rapey wienerstuffer, a man who for the love of him cant stop raping, until he meets Peggy Sodomblatt, who teaches him the art of pegging, and turns him into a cute twink bottom. Calarts beanmouth art style is obligatory
LMFAOOOOO
No. Get a real job.
A dragoon under his liege lord fights for the kingdom of burgundy against rival kingdoms with his fellow vassels. He courts a beautiful woman at a ball in a city lit by candles, but watched from afar by the marque d'dijonnaise who covers her, after they part he is ambushed by the marque's scoundrels for hire, he slays them in back ally duels saved by his fellow dragoons. The next few days they engage in a major battle with France, led by the dauphine. The battle drahs on throughout the day in multiple cavelru charges and skirmishes, as the evening dress the marque takes his chance and kidnaps the dragoons maiden and some war loot and flees, the dragoons see this and make Chase, the dragoons clash with the marque's enterauge of Swedish gigachad mercenaries. Our hero heads of alone to face the marque, culminating in a sunset dual outside a chatau, for honor and his woman. He defeats the marque and pays of the mercenaries with the claimed war loot ( and pocketing a little for himself and the boys) riding of into the sunset with his woman, friends and massive bag of gold. rated 15+ to make it something diffrent with in screen kills.a more realistic style is needed, no bubble modes
Toy Story 5
You're welcome.
I hope to do even more damage in the future
why do people care so much about these mediocre childrens cartoons
Because, once upon a time, they weren't mediocre.
I like animation.
Yeah why do people care about media with propogandist themes aimed at children
Pixar was a special company from 1994-2009 as they were uniquely capable of serious mass appeal in animated movies. When I go back and watch their earlier films as an adult now I catch a lot that I missed and I appreciate it even more.
Yea
Pixar single handedly killed the disney renaissance by making classic after classic. And now they're in the same boat that they put disney in and are getting outclassed and outperformed by studios like illumination, dreamworks and fricking sony...
Ask your bosses you dumb fricking israelite.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease
they used to be the best animation studio that could make films that both children and adults adored. moron.
Maybe don't make it about another Asian immigrant spiting his elders next time
It's all so tiresome.
>tries to make a anti racist message but your characters are safety hazard for everybody but themselves by just being there
What did they meant by that?
It works well enough for the x-men.
Not really, most people seem to think Marvel Mutants work better as a gay analogy than a race analogy.
That's because those people are fricking homosexuals and have to inject their sexuality into everything. Of course they think a fringe gay analogies are superior to everything else.
What they're a metaphor for is irrelevant to the point. In the comics, civil war was started because a mutant blew up a bus full of dozens of children, yet things like that are usually ignored when it comes to the issue of rights. Like whatever you believe about guns, it's not like anyone carrying one has a chance to explode and take out a whole city block with him for no reason.
>analogy isn’t perfectly 1 to 1
>this is a valid criticism
That’s not how analogies work anon. A perfect analogy could only exist if it were the thing itself, and would therefore be useless.
It doesn't have to be 1:1 but the analogy simply doesn't work period if you include a direct threat/danger to life and/or property when there wasn't one. Then it confuses the point by turning it into public safety more than human rights.
Or it’s just focusing on and exaggerating a single aspect for the purpose of illustration. A topographical map may not have a single city or road on it, that doesn’t mean it’s useless, just that it’s choosing to focus on one aspect.
There’s no threat of being burnt to death for owning some books, that doesn’t mean Fahrenheit 451 isn’t a good analogy got societies becoming intolerant in the pursuit of enforced tolerance
Clearly you don't understand metaphor if you make an analogy like that. Debating the realism of the situation itself is nothing like debating the mapping of the metaphor subject. If discrimination is perfectly understandable and justified in your thinly veiled take at bigotry then you've made a pro bigot movie. The situation doesn't have to be identical, it has to be equatable.
but we have to rid society of the Four Olds
broken branch
ancestor cry
Cope
Families are avoiding disney like a pack of AIDs wrapped in Monkey Pox.
hollywood needs to die
do studios think of the damage they're doing to society?
>frick white people
>cutting your dick off is good
>cuckolding is cool
>women are better than men at everything
>frick everything you value
>do studios think of the damage they're doing to society?
let me fix that for you
>do israelites think of the damage they're doing to society?
NO. No they don't.
I do wonder what sort of utterly boring Americhink story we'll get next
something with talking chopsticks falling in love with a fork I would bet
The cat's in the cradle with the silver spoon.
Lil' boy blue and the man on the moon
When you comin' home daddy?
When you coming home dad I don’t know when but we’ll get together then
Korean boy wants to be a video game streamer, but his parents insist he take over their medical practice. He gets isekai'd into a video game and goes on a journey of self discovery. Along the way he falls in love with a female Elf warrior, who, PLOT TIWST, was also isekai'd into the game. Because girls are just as good at video games as boys! At the end of the movie, the boys parents accept his dream to play video games for money. There's also a mascot character who can be merchandised and slapped on cereal boxes.
And the elf girl is black, of course.
>noooo why won't you go see the newest metaphor for race mixing
no, i simply will not go see Black personmental.
>try to virtue signal with a story about how great race mixing is
>forget to add any substance to it
>be shocked when people are not impressed
Hollywood was always political. But in the before time they didn't feel above adding entertainment to their propaganda.
Are you kidding? I would be elated if the animation business died completely.
I really hope I'm causing damage. The shit they push in their movies damage society.
Asians don't have interesting stories to tell holy fricking shit! Men only care about when they do neat kung fu shit. It's the dumbass women giving them opportunities to do shit like
>Turning Red
They have ONE fricking song to play and it's only ever
>Oh, I went against my culture and heritage for love.
If being a race traitor didn't frick with them so much then they wouldn't cry about it.
>white women are the fire that will burn everything down to the ground
open clothe, reveal bossom, fire lady
> "That was a confusing half-hour there," he said, referring to the movie's premiere at Cannes Film Festival. "The film played, we got a seven-minute standing ovation, and you could feel the love beaming down from the audience to [director Peter Sohn]. They really responded to it. Then the embargo lifted and some of the reviews were pretty nasty."
>”This is our 27th film," he continued. "For some reason, we seem to be critiqued not only based on other movies but on our own stuff. So, people will say, 'Oh, it’s not as good as my favorite Pixar film, whatever that is.'"
>Still, Docter extended his appreciation for the movie's audience at Cannes.
>"On one hand, that’s flattering, and it’s also kind of a tough position to be in and very tricky. I’m not sure that we would say we regret going to Cannes or anything like that. It was such a fantastic audience of film lovers."
>Americans give standing ovations in the movie theater
>for movies they didn't even enjoy
Burgerbros....
Americans even applaud when their flight lands kek
I used to think that was a joke and cracked up the first time I experienced it.
We don’t do that anymore. I miss it, honestly. Now you’re more likely to have some drunk boomer try to beat up a flight attendant.
Same thing happened with Indiana Jones. Disney showed off all their corporate goyslop at Cannes and got standing ovations for all of them and are then shocked at the negative reviews, not realising everything gets a standing ovation at Cannes.
>why don't normal people love our circle jerked, lefty bullshit?
>confused söyjack
The film is filled with identity politics that don't even attempt to be subtle at all.
The clips I've seen make it look like one of the worst, most pandering films of all time.
What the frick were these idiots thinking?
miss me yet?
i wonder what is going on in his mind right now.
too bad he is not commenting on the shitshow.
they are destroying everything he has build.
>miss me yet?
no
>negative breasts
Enjoy your no audience
he was barely involved in this one
i like to add that even LUCK was more entertaining and had better ideas than this elemental crap. the animation sucked though.
He was literally responsible for replacing the director and getting someone to rewrite the script.
gato sexo
I get the sentiment, people used to just say “that movie sucked, I don’t recommend it” and move on with their day. Now consumers have become so entitled to getting things they like that there’s a visceral, nasty emotion to not enjoying a product. You see it everywhere: don’t like a game/movie/show?
>they’re incompetent
>trash employees who should be burnt at the stake
>morons who fricked up
>a slap in the face to paying customers
It’s Karen behavior. I don’t have sympathy for a giant corporation, but I can understand why the individuals on the project would think “frick these losers, they’re acting like we kicked their dog”
>Soul
>it's amazing to give up on your dreams and get a boring job
>Inside Out
>it's amazing to have crippling mental issues caused by voices in your head
>Elemental
>it's amazing to find a partner of a different race
They can't make kids movies because the people making the movies now don't have kids.
But I thought it's all diversity hires now who breed like rodents?
>who breed like rodents?
Huh? People of all races get genetically shredded under ZOG.
>Wtf why don't children and families want to watch my self insert flick about my interracial marriage?
Me, I can't stand the Pixar film naming convention of a single word or just the name of the lead character.
Pussy asian moron