Do you guys like when they take reletively Z list villains and give them an expanded power set and a gritty attitude?
Like if Nick O Teen came back and he could control carbon monoxide would that be accepted? or is it a generally tired formula?
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Nickelodeon guy
Isn't that what they did in the Osmosis Jones show
Expanded powers, yes. Gritty attitude, no.
This. I hate it when they make somewhat goofy villains into edge lords.
>Nick O Teen
>Master of drugs and addiction. He is capable of inducing the sensation of illicit drugs within any individual standing within a one mile radius of himself. The effects of withdrawal once his influence is removed happens almost instantly and the symptoms are ten times as deadly.
>Luckily, the flamboyant individual is content to just tempt children into buying his wares and ensuring the future of his business. If tempted, he can be coaxed into working for major villains. His most daring feat was when he completely incapacitated everyone in the Watch Tower. It was only due to luck and the rapid response by earthbound JL members that everyone survived with mild injuries and a few members being hospitalized for some time.
Keep Nick O Teen normal and dial back Super Man's powers enough to where its a fair fight.
I'm here for it. I know of Nick O Teen, but who else can we drag up?
Asthma Monster
All the Electric Company original villains. A whole gallery of 'em.
Is he a teenager?
Nah it reeks of trying too hard to be taken seriously when it's a Z-lister that was intentionally comical or they completely misinterpret their original appearance. Like when anons made Condiment King into a serial killer who poisons people which it's bad enough they already took his gimmick and reduced it to something so mundane and boring but also neglecting the fact that originally he's just a brainwashed comedian who was lame on purpose.
So I think if you're going to do it, respect the spirit of the character and don't try too hard. Like there's tons of ZListers who re already trying to be serious and gritty, just take them and update them.
Here's Demolitia, rape victim vigilante who dived deep into body building to take her power back. Over the Top Latina Punisher pre-packaged for DC....go nuts. You don't need to turn a one-off Anti-Smoking PSA villain into a drug kingpin selling fentanyl laced loosies. There is a wealth of 90s villains and anti-heroes nobody cares about that already fit this package.
There's a problem with comic villains where if you're a D-lister or below writers automatically assume you're a fricking joke, and the two options are
>Some writer tries to "revitalize" them and turns them into an edgy mass murderer or something
>They're fodder for pages where the hero beats up a shitton of villains at once, probably gets killed to sell the new bad guy as a threat
I could handle NIck O Teen having smoke powers so long as he was still just some dude selling fricking cigarettes to kids.
Member when Toy Maker from Superman was changed from a goofy manchild villain into a pedophile serial killer.
remember when they did the same thing with mad hatter
I forgot about when they actually did that and thought you were overstating the DCAU versions....but that does convince me you can do it right. Toy Maker was the same exact schtick no more violent or gritty but they managed to change the tone to creepy.
This poor dude only ever wanted to read.
Easy Reader definitely needs a comeback of his own.
>"In", just where I wanted to go
Gets me every time
>"In"
>Just where I wanted to go.
I wonder if they'd have to pay for Morgan Freeman's likeness if they did
I like when writers take relatively D/Z-list villains and doesn't give them an expanded powerset but nevertheless makes them a threat. Like if Condiment King still only shot condiments but he was an absolute menace with it. good luck holding onto a bat-a-rang when your hand is drenched in sauce, or you're blinded with the zesty mustard. You're wrestling and think he's firing wildly in a desperate attempt to get you off, but instead he's set up a slippery pool of that nasty ketchup water so he can trip you and kick your head in.
I wouldn't mind it so much on paper but it's almost always too far and typically done for shock.
Nick-O-Teen written by Alan Moore or Grant Morrison. How would that go?
>Alan Moore
Nick is a long washed up spokesman who used to work for a cigarette company to shill to kids. He personally came into the crosshairs of Superman angry about the practice. The company threw him under the bus without any real consequences beyond losing an ad campaign and the public personally vilified him. It's mostly behind him now but his past shame occasionally rears its head.
>Gran Morrison
He's some meta-frickery embodying his role in the PSAs. Basically being an icon of vice you warded away from in childhood that you'll gladly embrace when you're a rebelious little tryhard. A comicbook god of smoking, hard drugs, and unprotected pre-marital sex.
>Nick is a long washed up spokesman who used to work for a cigarette company to shill to kids. He personally came into the crosshairs of Superman angry about the practice. The company threw him under the bus without any real consequences beyond losing an ad campaign and the public personally vilified him. It's mostly behind him now but his past shame occasionally rears its head.
At least he has his buddy Joe.
what about the other z listers
I mean they suck, but I wouldn't call them properly z listers, anon, those writers have a lot of fans.
I don't think DC even owns him or you'd already have seen that, they wouldn't have missed a chance to bring him back when public smoking bans were coming in 20 years ago
I'm pretty sure he's either Crown copyright, meaning DC would need to apply for a licence to use him again (until 2031, when his Crown copyright would expire because he's pre-1988 and he'd be public domain), or he's just ordinary copyright to Saatchi & Saatchi which if anything would be harder to licence, since that's 40+ years of partners coming and going so who fricking knows who owns what, if the partnership doesn't own the copyright in full; and that wouldn't expire until 70 years after the death of the last author, or, if the authors had all waived all rights in full, like frick even knows, 2076 I think
not so much Z list as less likely than ever seeing another Marvel/DC crossover
Never say yes. To a cigarette
I like it sometimes. Like when Doctor Crane/Scarecrow is without fear toxin and has to rely on his psychology degree to strike fear that was bad ass. But then you have like Magneto who can shift the Earth's magnetic poles and cause earthquakes. Thats power creep and it's lame
For me? Its smokescreen
I like when the Amoeba Boys almost triggered the human extinction event by staying out in the rain thinking of a way to beat the Powerpuff Girls. Luckily Professor Utonium was able to make a vaccine out of sample of them.
As long as the supervillain doesn't become a fricking joke or lose all personality completely it's fine. Like turning Calender Man from a dude who commits holiday themed crimes into whatever the frick THIS is was dumb and I'm sick of seeing it. Like wise I also don't like the Killer Moth from the Batman cartoon who was a complete joke before turning into Charaxxes and this is a guy who's gadgets are meant to go toe to toe with Batman. That being said Charaxxes felt like a natural progression and not a power creep.
There's quite a few Batman villains from the 66 show who could come back but if they did they would just be ripping off from another more popular villain. Like Tutenkhamen could come back but people would say he's a Maxxie Zues rip off.
Even the Joker going from a mobster with a clown motif and deadly circus tricks is a far cry from the Joker we see today. This larger than life mass murderer who is immune to the lasso of truth and has to stay alive or the fabric of reality will unwind. I fricking hate what Batman villains have become.
this is pretty rad though
>There's quite a few Batman villains from the 66 show who could come back
The ones who weren't filler or made with a big star of the day in mind? That leaves you like three and they're all named the same as Marvel comics characters. Like yeah the B66 Sandman is a good premise but you know comics will turn him into a pile of angry magic sand by the end of issue three.
A while ago someone asked Anons to come up with a way to revamp Doctor Domino
When the thread died I thought of making him a time traveling super criminal in the present day/near future whose tech is rather "primitive" for time traveler standards (the battery drains fast and he has a time limit before being sent back to his own time) and so compensates with elaborate planning spanning cenutires ala a domino effect. Basically his schemes involve him tampering with history centuries ago only for it to cause a chain reaction for his goals in the present.
I love it and wish more people would take z-list or obvious joke villains and make them an unironic take on someone evil with those powers.
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Nick O Teen should be brought back in a PSA story about Prime Hydration
Depends on how it's done.
That one brief instant where Mxyzptlk gave Calendar Man some of his power was pretty cool, albeit sadly brief.
Definitely more fun than when Joker got 'em...
I'd say keep the silly villains with their cheesy motivations, but give them amazing fights.
Going to add to this anon's comment, you can have really good fights without it being on an epic scale or with a hundred million dollars worth of special effects and CGI.
Just film two people beating the shit out of each other with minimal cuts and a lot of choreography, sometimes that's all you need.