Magneto specifically told them not to bring him back and order his back ups destroyed. Because, believe it or not, magneto actually realized how bad Krakoa was before Xavier did. And decided he wanted no part of it anymore.
I don't follow the books but I really enjoyed Apocalypse's portrayal in the old cartoon. Could you please elaborate?
It's more like they softened his beliefs to make him work in krakoa. Like now "the fittest" could be in group or collective terms rather than each induvial members having to be the strongest possible. Then they gave his old absolutist beliefs to his heartless "even better warrior than he is" wife. While he's now the philosopher/artist/poet/emotional softy of the pair.
Confusing Storm and Magneto. Storm had her backup destroyed because she started to realize how bullshit Krakoa was; to the point that she had already told the X-Men not to bring her back during the Giant Size mini when she was poisoned because she had, by that point, seen how fricked up things were with mutants becoming immortal.
Magneto meanwhile only deleted his back up because the Arrako mutants on Mars called him a pussy and homosexuals for having used the resurrection protocols multiple times to cheat death and Magneto wanted the barbarian mutants to like him. Also his last words were basically "Xavier is a homosexuals, he won't kill or enslave humanity and will chicken out at some point and martyr us trying to reclaim his pacifist street cred" to Storm
The virgin Magneto "I'll just die so Arakko will respect me" vs the chad Nightcrawler "I will die 20 times in a row and remember every death and Arakko will respect me."
Magneto was depressed that his first child, Anya, is permadead. He had hoped that she had a latent x-gene which would make her resurrection possible, but she didn't and thus can't be brought back. So he told them not to bring him back if he died, which happened when he was mortally wounded fighting Uranos.
No, not enough mutant genocide. Krakoa has convinced me that every single bit of anti-mutant prejudice was retroactively justified all along, if this is what happens when muties get power.
KILL MUTANTS. BEHEAD MUTANTS. ROUNDHOUSE KICK A MUTANT ACROSS THE CANADIAN BORDER. SLAM DUNK A MUTANT ABORTION INTO THE TRASHCAN. LAUNCH MUTANTS INTO THE SUN. STIR FRY MUTANTS IN A WOK. TOSS MUTANTS INTO THE BOWELS OF KRAKOA. JUDO THROW FAIRIES INTO THE BELOW-PLACE. TWIST MUTANTS’ HEADS OFF. FEED MUTANTS TO THE BOWELS OF KRAKOA. KARATE CHOP MUTANTS IN HALF. TRAP MUTANTS IN QUICKSAND. CRUSH MUTANTS IN THE GOD QUARRY. LIQUEFY MUTANTS IN A VAT OF ACID. STOMP MUTANT SKULLS WITH ADMANTIUM TOED BOOTS. CREMATE MUTANTS IN THE OVEN. LOBOTOMIZE MUTANTS. ZERG RUSH MUTANTS WITH ANGRY INHUMANS. GATHER THE INFINITY STONES AND SNAP MUTANTS OUT OF EXISTENCE. KICK OLD MUTANTS DOWN THE STAIRS. FEED FAIRIES TO GALACTUS. MAKE WANDA A VILLAIN AGAIN. TOTAL MUGGA GENOCIDE.
>Krakoa came and went without anyone acknowledging Ultron while wringing hands over the Dominions, who are bazillions of lightyears further away and far less capable of wiping out all mutants right damn now
Imagine being Kamilla right now.
Imagine being told you're a mutie right as the mutie orgies are about to end.
They can't acknowledge Ultron because then they'd have to admit Nimrod and the Sentinels are vastly inferior to based Ultron who would definitely wipe out all of Krakoa in a single night.
It's still funny to me how Krakoa conveniently managed to alienate every single reality warper who they could have used as a legitimate argument to survive Ultron without going crying to the Phoenix again. Franklin, Nate and David all saw through the bullshit and wanted nothing to do with it.
Well okay, Legion KIND OF ended up as a sort of guest there to be with his wife but even then he's far from doing everything he could to help if he was actually invested in Krakoa.
Not as far as I know. That was, in fact, what I was talking about-the fact that artificial mutants are OK, but somehow the X-Men just fricking dump Franklin the moment he's not useful for them.
The strategists of Krakoa everyone, instigating a potential grudge with a former reality warper if he ever gets his powers back.
>Why are the muggas leaving their containment island
The island literally drains mutant lifeforce to survive, so once their population drops below a certain number the drain on each person would increase from not even significant enough to notice, to being outright deadly. Basically the island literally becomes toxic and unlivable to mutants once enough of them are dead.
Why did they need an island that eats them to begin with? They didn't think to use their powers to just make a floating normal island like any other idiot would?
Of the five mutants that are required to respawn people on the island. >Two are d grade characters introduced during Bendis' run, and could be killed off in an instant. >Elixir, who already has an established history of getting taken out when ever his healing powers would get in the way of the plot happening. >Proteus is an old x villain that presumably goes evil and insane again as soon as he doesn't have an endless supply of bodies to burn through anymore. >And finally Hope. A largely redundant 00's character from an aborted storyline that said she was supposed to be the mutant Jesus. She's the only one of the 5 that got any characterization during this whole damn arc.
These characters could be killed off when ever the writer wants (which will be right after they rez all the dead A listers one last time), getting rid of krakoa's resurrections forever. And at least two of them are low tier enough that they'll likely stay dead too.
>A largely redundant 00's character from an aborted storyline that said she was supposed to be the mutant Jesus.
Somewhere in his own plane of existence Nate Grey silently hopes that one day Hope will wake up and realise that being the Mutant Jesus is like being a third world prostitute but even more degrading.
>And finally Hope. A largely redundant 00's character from an aborted storyline that said she was supposed to be the mutant Jesus. She's the only one of the 5 that got any characterization during this whole damn arc
I immensely dislike Hope. I hope she'll met a grisly end and be forgotten
midway through this arc Hope was placed on the high council of krakoa, this meant she got to have actual screen time and arguments with the rest of the characters, especially being weirded out by her biggest simp, Exodus, who basically worships her like she literally is Ginger Jesus.
Compared to that, the biggest moment Proteus ever got was having Moira show up at the gala and tell him she never loved him, she only had him because they needed his powers for their grand plan, and he should go frick himself. While the rest of the 5 have barely had a single line of dialog over the past two years and only ever show up in background scenes.
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Ah, my bad. When you said "characterization" I was thinking "character growth", which are two very different things.
Tempus is unkillable as in literally unkillable, they already left her for dead once and sh came back. They forgot that she's both stupidly broken and a giga b***h that wouldn't have agreed to help them.
This is why I hate Muggas so much each and everyone of them thinks they are some sort of important character destine for so sort of greatness just cause they can shoot fire out of their ass, they don't even want to frick each other and raise their next generation of entitled pricks who think they are holier then thow.
>everyone of them thinks they are some sort of important character destine for so sort of greatness >they don't even want to frick each other and raise their next generation of entitled pricks who think they are holier then thow.
But enough about California.
because writers refuse to have a comic book with families in the background and dealing with raising children. can't keep beast as a villain if you write him building a death ray on top of the daycare center to protect the children
beast is the only character that was against the magneto shit in the beginning, and he has been written in to le random unredeemable villain that's treated like a nuisance to be swept under the rug. what's the allegory here? that liberal capitalist writers will just out themselves as fascists and scapegoat the closest thing to a marxist by assassinating their character... oh shit okay yeah you're right.
We're on a board where people argue cape shit as if real logics and physics apply. Cheap blog shit applying the same thing for easy clicks is just the evolution.
>Can Sharts not tell the difference between fiction and reality?
You would be surprised with how many people seem to be incapable of that
You say this, but Europeans unironically cannot tell fiction and reality at all. Like they have the actual worst comprehension skills regarding this I've ever seen. The amount of Europeans who see something that's entirely misleading, flat out false, or just something from a Marvel film or parody site and think that's the actual reality of America or any other country on Earth is astronomical.
Then the rest of the world must ne ten times worse, given how their governments censor even innocous media. Because if the Euros can't, then the rest of world is worse.
>Why are these sort of articles written as if the characters and events are real?
Why wouldn't they be? Are you suggesting the writer has to adopt a different tone or else morons will be fooled into thinking Charles Xavier is actually out there, somewhere?
Honestly, no.
Krakoa should’ve had air defenses considering all of the times people have snuck onto the island.
Also, their medicine being their only export is fricking bullshit considering Krakoa should be able to grow diamonds like her grandson.
All that means is they should have had security fricking looking at the air like any organization with common sense would do even if they weren't on an island.
Who's gonna want all those diamonds
They should export cheap energy with a Surge Storm Battery
battery being my mugga name and me sandwiched between ororo and noriko
It's awful. But like other people have said, such a moronic premise executed so poorly can only have a shitty ending.
Also if they are actually turning on the idea of Krakoa itself that would be interesting, since that directly conflicts with the loads of writers who portray it like a literal utopia. If it's true then the backstage politics that lead to this turn would be a more interesting story than the actual arc.
This is an object lesson is politics leading a person to moronic conclusions.
Krakoa was full of anti-human degenerates who spurned everything good that didn't directly benefit them, but apparently because they're Israel 2.0 they're based trads, honorary aryans.
>Beast >A human guy that only got furry because of a moronic experiment >I should feel bad for him and laugh at Cyke or Wolverine
Webcomic artist are moronic
>Webcomic artists are moronic because they aren't obsessed with the lore of funnybooks for children like me, a terminally online kissless virgin with morbid obesity who knows all the stats about Marvel's overworked metaphor for Malcolm X era race relations."
K
Are you baiting?
Comics are not meant for children at least since the 90s
The X-Men are not a metaphor for black Civil rights activists, they are literally analogous to gay people
Psylocke is a dyke now her girlfriend is the future daughter of Scott and Jean Grey that's still married to future Franklin Storm btw
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say Cyke right now
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there's still Japanese ninja psylocke out there if it make you feel better. I honestly don't know if marvel has made her gay yet. Though they did give her a generic tragic backstory about once having a kid that her ninja clan murdered.
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>er girlfriend is the future daughter of Scott and Jean Grey that's still married to future Franklin Storm btw
Wasn't Rachel dating Kurt?
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Yeah that's still cheating, but less bad than suddenly turning gay and cheat, I feel bad for future Franklin Richards he doesn't know how much of a prostitute his wife is
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Original White Psylocke is now scissoring Rachel Summers (who now vaguely looks and acts like Chandra from Magic the Gathering with vague dimensional powers and a mental illness haircut) This is likely because they think having a character named Captain Britain be gay is funny and subversive .
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Reminder that Rachel Summers is still a married women so she's basically cheating, what a c**t
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Being a mutant means you're excused from concepts like fidelity and faithfulness, because you're just so much better than humans.
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I wonder if Marvel will continue to change characters into homosexual donutsteel OCs, and ride that wave into the ground of irrelevancy and bankruptcy, or if one day we'll be rid of the vermin who have the bizarre and petty need to ruin things, instead of creating worthwhile things.
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The former.
You know they will.
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They are literally evil, Jesus christ >captcha: PVTA8H
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Didn't they also make Kitty a lesbian as well?
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Yes.
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First rule was no humans, second rule was no straights.
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Bisexual*
Cuz of some moronic panel during the Claremont era
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"bisexual" in comics is just code for "gay but not wanting to commit to it"
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'just testing the waters'
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I know, making a character "bisexual" is just a way to ignore the fact that said character was straight form conception but now they like the opposite sex for some reason, patient zero was harley quinn
Because as far as anyone on the street is concerned, she's just a hot chick in gloves with a hipster dyejob.
Until she accidentally brushes her elbow against them showcases the bad succ, at least.
Dude the whole point is that the complainers aren't visually distinct from flatscans, and thus don't face any discrimination that makes sense to real-world people, compared to those that would make people scream and cry if they just walked to the store and bought milk.
It's not a deep commentary, just a dumb joke.
>nationalism bad
Yes, Krakoa demonstrates that very well with all the sociopathic backbiting amongst the Krakoan leadership including at least one bad future where surprise surprise, it turns out including Mr. Sinister as part of your leadership committee was a mistake >homoegenity bad
The other anon is right. Don't point a faction that includes Emma Frost and Selene on the one hand, and Blob as well as that one kid with the giraffe neck on the other. And call it "homogenous" >wanting to be with people like you is bad
Are...are you saying that, for example, Dani Moonstar is like Apocalypse? Hell she probably has more in common with Hela
> double down on muh mutants are minorities allegory > tries to do a gotcha moment by giving them their own wakanda > realize that not every mutant is black and therefore its actually supporting (the wrong kind of) nationalism
This but unironically
bad
Excessive nationalism, yes
bad
Yes, because you'll always have factions. Shit, that's believing a wrong interpretation that every mutant is the same
to be with people like you is bad unless you're black
It's not bad per se. But when you start segregating or excluding other people, it is
Independently of how racist police and Americans are, do shit because they're black people is not right. They're lawyers doing their job, those who use that defense.
>Isca! >I challenge you!
(Wait for her to accept.) >Two rules: >No interfering with the other person. >First person to commit suicide wins.
Problem dealt with.
Krakoagay will say it executed poorly.
Claremontggay will cry of happiness before seeting at the next status quo.
Hickmangay will say who cares because they don't care about post hickman krakoa
Are we pretending that Krakoa was a supposed to be a bad idea all along?
Because that's not how I remember the Krakoan discussion these last few years.
I distinctly remember everyone calling it a cult being dismissed as racist incels.
Shit like this make me wish the entire shit just got rebooted, not even acknowledged by an in universe retcon
Just sent to the trash and everyone does x men as if it never happened, almost every character involved in this mess came out worse, only the biggest buttholes were on character here because they couldn't be more unlikeable even when they tried
Sabretooth had a vision that revealed all these babies made from the "Make more mutants" law wouldn't be cared for and would grow beyond the mutant population's ability to care for them, and after he revealed that to the rest of the nation the so-called rapid birthrate dropped some.
It's why he was banished to the Pit, for telling everyone the truth they didn't want to hear.
Confusing shit. That was an ultra obscure mutant character X-Men editorial dragged out of the gutter who decided to wreck the fun of orgy island by pointing out that fricking and abandoning your orgy baby would result in orgy baby growing up to be an evil mutant and causing the people of Krakoa to stop fricking/making babies for a couple of months, leading to him being thrown into the pit.
Sabretooth got thrown into the pit because Sabretooth, Mystique, and Toad stole shit for Xavier/Magneto and Sabretooth decided to kill a bunch of guards for fun and made the faux pa of getting blindsided by Invisible Woman so that he didn't get through the portal back to Krakoa like Toad/Mystique did. Leading to Xavier having to put Sabretooth int the pit to appease the Fantastic Four.
ehhh.... you assume richards doesn't have technology or some kind of defense against psychic attacks or posession. if they found out later, there would be consequences. the fantastic four actually don't support mutants. when cable had an island in the sky in cable and deadpool, the FF sicced silver surfer on him
>you assume richards doesn't have technology or some kind of defense against psychic attacks or posession
You don't understand. In the issue Xavier WALKED UP TO RICHARDS' FACE and told him he erased one, only ONE specific superweapon from his brain. Assuming that Reed couldn't just invent a new one.
He told him that. To his face.
>sicced silver surfer
If the F4 actually opposed mutants, that island wouldn't still exist.
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>walked up to his face and told him
my bad i wasn't paying attention. you said that in the beginning
>the island wouldn't exist
the island doesn't exist though, does it? krakoa is a separate island. oh and did the FF do anything to stop Orchis?
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Xavier didn't do just that; he erased the ABILITY to even THINK of how to make a cloaking device or power suppression device from Reeds brain.
Also, Sabertooth got thrown into the pit because it happened BEFORE Reed got lobotomized and the fact that he got caught red handed by the Fantastic Four and Xavier didn't have much leyway to protect him since this was before Franklin told Xavier to frick off, which triggered Xavier being vindictive and lobotomized Reed
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>Xavier didn't do just that; he erased the ABILITY to even THINK of how to make a cloaking device or power suppression device from Reeds brain.
What about the ability to think of getting someone to give him back the other ability?
is this the same Pit that has a back door where Nature Girl escaped after tearing a convenience store clerk's throat out for no reason other than one of its store's bags was found in a dead turtle's mouth?
They should have an X-Man villain appear from this. A human born on Krakoa who was treated as a second class citizen and grew up homeless or something and now despises mutants and wants to end them
>Supposedly very smart people >Make a society with no laws except a handful of dumb very easy to misinterpret commandments >Remove death as a consequence >shocked pikachu face when the evil mutants AND the good ones start acting in increasingly bizarre ways
I look forward to what happens when they try to immigrate to the countries they claimed "diplomatic immunity" in
>Supposedly very smart people >Make a society with no laws except a handful of dumb very easy to misinterpret commandments
death as a consequence >shocked pikachu face when the evil CHARACTERS AND the good ones start acting in increasingly bizarre ways
Yeah, that's Marvel as a setting in a nutshell really.
Sabretooth had a vision that revealed all these babies made from the "Make more mutants" law wouldn't be cared for and would grow beyond the mutant population's ability to care for them, and after he revealed that to the rest of the nation the so-called rapid birthrate dropped some.
It's why he was banished to the Pit, for telling everyone the truth they didn't want to hear.
>"They hated me because I told them to put on a condom"
Sabertooth is the only mutant I actually pity. Imagine being the first mutant to get tossed into Super Gitmo just because you spat basic population crisis facts at horny teenagers and the Hellfire Gala degenerates overseeing them frick.
>Sabertooth is the only mutant I actually pity. Imagine being the first mutant to get tossed into Super Gitmo just because you spat basic population crisis facts at horny teenagers and the Hellfire Gala degenerates overseeing them frick.
Didn't something similar happen with Nightcrawler?
Frankly I'm amazed Nightcrawler is okay with Krakoa when he's supposidely so religious.
That one page where he's staring at his monster of a mother and going WE MUST MAKE MORE MUTANTS will never not be weird to me. Is Marvel planning on introducing a weird Kurt/Mystique incest baby later down the road?
It needed more mutie death. I'm actually appalled by the lack of genocide.
There seriously need to be new religious characters in the new comics that call out Kurt for failing to adhere to his religion and that hate him for being hypocritical and justify Kurt for always "being a demon in disguise who pretended to be a worshiping Christian"
They can't have religious characters call out mutants, because then they'd have to bring up Magneto telling other israelites that he is their new God.
Again.
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Implying marvel can handle religion at all, I don't think I have read a single good story with religious concepts in a decade
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Marvel's best attempt at handling religion was having Thor swing a hammer in some other norse figure's face and yelling I SAY THEE NAY, that is the maximum amount of nuance they can accomplish.
More seriously it's actually that one time Thor had a talk with a priest. I want to include Thor on my tiny, tiny list of Marvel characters I don't have absolute contempt for but he's too entangled with Avengers bullshit for that. Beta Ray Bill can stay tho.
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Can't agree more
sorry, the only time modern marvel would make a Christian character is when then need an evil strawman for a story.
At this point Stryker has been redeemed, how did we get to this point?
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Thor: heaven of Earth was pretty good but we're not going to have those type of Marvel stories again after the Disney acquisition.
I'm still of the mindset that the initial intention of the whole Kraktoe setting was that absolutely everybody was brainwashed to behave in ways almost entirely opposite their regular personalities. Xavier going from an integrationist to an isolationist. Slim acting as a foot soldier and not a leader, nevermind getting along with Logan and sharing a bed with Jean. Nightcrawler giving up his faith. Villains sitting on a committee board. I can't help but wonder if Hickman set up the Krakoa bible and later writers simply weren't skilled enough to execute or smart enough to understand, they switched the deception up to normal behavior. Oh well, maybe in 10 years we'll have a retrospective that details the original plans and how they deviated to the point they elected to abandon the whole thing.
You haven't read Hickman before. Hickman is all about "great men who do bad shit for the greater good because morality and ethics are for the stupid rabble". Much of what Hickman did to Xavier in particular, right down to his Maker-like helmet was planned for New Avengers until Bendis got Xavier killed in AVX and Hickman had to use Beast instead (and recycled the helmet design for Maker/ultimate Reed).
Remember, Hickman wanted the climax of his run to be Storm and Black Panther having a bastard son declare himself Sovereign of the solar system
>Hickman wanted the climax of his run to be Storm and Black Panther having a bastard son declare himself Sovereign of the solar system
That man must be stopped
Why would Storm and/or Black Panther would ever want their kid to do that?!
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The original plan for the Giant Size mini was Storm would have had an off-camera frick session with BP and get pregnant (that was supposed to be the big reveal in the Jean/Emma one-off not Storm being poisoned) and Storm would have her pregnancy sped up to give birth in weeks while in Fantomax's "The World" but be forced to leave her bastard behind there at the end of the mini. And that at the end of the Hickman run, he would emerge and declare himself emperor of the solar system and save the X-Men from the alien empires out to destroy them.
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Black person that was never the plan. Storm being a baby mama fot Tchalla, yes. Black-King of the sol system? No.
>Remember, Hickman wanted the climax of his run to be Storm and Black Panther having a bastard son declare himself Sovereign of the solar system
This is so stupid it made me laugh out loud, man these idiots have no idea of what they are doing
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Was that the climax? I know he wanted them having a kid but I didn't know about the solar system sovereign part. I thought the grand finale would be Phoenix Sunspot fighting the ai gods.
Remember Age of X-Man just before Hickman started? The dystopian nightmare society where family and love were forbidden, and there were literal Thought Police who'd erase everyone else's memories of you if you were arrested? A lot of these people are so broken and so lost in self-inserting as a mutant that they were calling that world "a utopia" because it was a mutants-only world with no humans in it.
That one page where he's staring at his monster of a mother and going WE MUST MAKE MORE MUTANTS will never not be weird to me. Is Marvel planning on introducing a weird Kurt/Mystique incest baby later down the road?
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Agreed.
Marvel have been teasing the idea at least since pic related.
>We gave our <group analogous for peoples experiencing prejudice - you know, whatever one is vogue at the time> their own nation >whoops they turned into morally questionable weirdos!!!
uhhhhh based???????? idk if this is better or worse than when they gassed them........
>cassandra nova who killed millions on genosha was simply allowed to be there for a while
>apocalypse was on the council
>sinister was on the council, and when he betrayed the council he got little red notes in the synopsis because the writers wanted you to be his lighthearted fan
Best part about sinister being there besides him being a natzi is that he wasn't even real mutant. He just gave himself the X-gene. He has all the DNA they use for the clones so he gets a free pass.
do people really want the x-men to go back to sit in the x-cuckshed while yet another mutant genocide reduces their population to a whopping 0.4 people?
honestly I'd rather we go back to a slightly more subdued version of the Morrison period. I think the "mutants as a crazy ass sub culture" works better for the current state of the world than the mopy heavy handed racial allegory shit does, and the characters still mostly felt like heroes during it compared to sex cult ethnostate island
no. it's almost like mutants can be integrated in to society
P.S. that conversation already happened, which captain america and cyclops had a conversation in the savage land about mutants joining the rest of society and probably avengers and other super hero teams. rightclops said no to that. because he's the self insert and favorite for writers. he can never be wrong, just look at his pyschic girlfriends and the teen girls that crush on him.
Comics are simply a reflection of what is going on in real life. When real life people are being beaten in the streets and forced to live as second class citizens just for being who they truly are, they turn to comics for not only comfort but also answers. X-Men help lead the way.
>Comics are simply a reflection of what is going on in real life. When real life people are being beaten in the streets and forced to live as second class citizens just for being who they truly are, they turn to comics for not only comfort but also answers. X-Men help lead the way.
I too identify with the existential crisis of a man wearing a giant purple hat. Lmao the only people who actually think like this are insecure enough to dye their hair pink and make soifaces for clicks.
The only thing to learn about Krakoa is that future writers study it on an example of how to ruin decades of good will from some of the most ardent comic fans
um no. in real life liberal capitalists are full of themselves and claim to support the working class and minorities but then vote for elites like hillary clinton or, in this case, write a fascist ethnostate with magneto having given a diatribe that's on the level of elder protocols of zion, describing capitalist plans to take over the economy. liberals use identity politics to divide the working class along lines of alienated labor. krakoa is precisely that, it's a focus on identity politics, not forming a coalition
Unless you were born yesterday, you should know by now you're fricked no matter what (winning) party you vote for. One panders to old money, the other new. One slaps you in the face with racism, the other uses backhanded head pats. And both suck the Isreal dick.
The only thing to learn about Krakoa is that future writers study it on an example of how to ruin decades of good will from some of the most ardent comic fans
The run was shit
Good will? Even before this people were tired of x-men. And hasn't this whole thing been some of the best selling x-men has been? Either way its been enjoying for how it makes ethno states look like a joke.
>And hasn't this whole thing been some of the best selling x-men has been
Yes and no. It's been some of the best that X-men has been selling for a number of years...but those numbers are still the kind that are piss-poor compared to when X-men was at its peak. Much like every single other Marvel book, the x-books making the most book are #1's, variants, the Hellfire Gala one-shots for the ridiculous eye-catching costumes, and a handful of books that are less than a quarter of the entire lineup. The people that keep insisting the X-men line is making sooooo much money are quietly omitting the rest of the sentence; "in comparison to shit like Blade or Moon Knight". The X-men might be doing better than most lines, but that's because the main body is doing mediocre while having fifty malnourished useless appendages that need to be excised from the lineup to really be called "healthy".
Oh frick this, they're trying to go "oh I didn't actually MEAN to do all that shit the writers made me do?"
Yep. They're doing it for all the big shit that everyone has called Marvel out on, including trying to pretend Magneto didn't mean what he said when he said Jerusalem "had new gods". It's so beyond flimsy that it's honestly insulting.
So that leads to another question, what book at all sells near their peak years? Outside break outs like Ms. Marvel and Harley, most of these char's sells are in the toilet for a variety of reasons including the comic industry going to shit.
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Frankly, you're going to be looking at Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman, since no matter how badly their stories are written people gotta have their Batman. After that, just have to look for books that have reputation for being consistent in their quality, so more like Thor or Daredevil. Doesn't mean they're actually always that good, but they have to at least be consistent sellers to work. But otherwise, sales are in the toilet industry-wide and that's just kind of how it is because long-time fans are finally starting to wake up to how the cycle doesn't end.
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>But otherwise, sales are in the toilet industry-wide and that's just kind of how it is because long-time fans are finally starting to wake up to how the cycle doesn't end.
Or they're dying of old age.
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Or because only nerds read comics while most people just go for the movies and games that feature these characters instead.
>The people that keep insisting the X-men line is making sooooo much money are quietly omitting the rest of the sentence; "in comparison to shit like Blade or Moon Knight".
The main X-Men book is one of Marvel's better performing books at the moment (it somehow jumped back up the charts during the Brood crossover with Carol's book, which didn't get as big a boost), but it wasn't that long ago that Moon Knight was outselling the entire line.
And like you say, the few X-books that are selling well are outnumbered by an excessive amount of lower-tier books that aren't selling that well. The people insisting the X-books are back on top and carrying Marvel, and talking like things have finally 'returned to normal' at Marvel are people who haven't looked at a sales chart since the early months of Hickman's run, or are only looking at digital sales charts, which represent a tiny fraction of overall sales.
i don't support the two party system though. i've never voted democrat or republican in any general election. but that has nothing to do with what i actually said unless you connect the dots with both parties being controlled by capitalists and my reference to coalitions being working class coalitions
are you under the impression that liberals are leftists? because that's wrong. liberals are not leftists.
new mutants was political when it came out. it was a diverse group and cannonball was a reference to working class people in mining towns, which by the way have a history of socialism and unionism
If the Pope knew even half the shit Kurt's been party to on Krakoa he'd be excommunicated, let alone what he's actually done himself.
Aren't they all immortal?
Only in the sense they can make extra lives, they can still get hurt and die and the extra life machine is both overworked and potentially compromised (beyond any other philosophical/ethical concerns). If Krakoa gets hungry and decides to eat you whole rather than just nibble that might be it.
Remember when Thor Girl announced that she was supposed to be Human Jesus but got locked up and tortured during the Serpent's rampage on Earth, and ended up deciding that humans weren't worthy of her and just fricked off back into space and hasn't been heard from since to my knowledge?
Hope should have done that. Just quit being Mutant Jesus, there's nothing worth saving.
Why, to explain to mutie-lovers on Cinemaphile how bad it is of course. That's right, BTFOing mugga shills here are the only reason I'm even bothering to pirate this tripe.
Magneto specifically told them not to bring him back and order his back ups destroyed. Because, believe it or not, magneto actually realized how bad Krakoa was before Xavier did. And decided he wanted no part of it anymore.
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It's more like they softened his beliefs to make him work in krakoa. Like now "the fittest" could be in group or collective terms rather than each induvial members having to be the strongest possible. Then they gave his old absolutist beliefs to his heartless "even better warrior than he is" wife. While he's now the philosopher/artist/poet/emotional softy of the pair.
Magneto can shut the frick up and get off his high horse, he was the one who told israelites to call him God.
They're upset at the killswitches in the 'medicine' they were given. And it turned out that putting killswitches in medicine is a terrible idea.
As for the daughter, it's a clone with implanted memories, not the original girl.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is before that. They're upset over the revelation that Sinister put his own junk in all the DNA in the database that makes them Sinister as long as Hope's not involved.
9 months ago
Anonymous
...Surely if you're hiring Sinister to be your gene daddy you'd have to expect he'd do something like that. That's what he does, constantly.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He hid it really well, in a sub-dimension.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but you don't need to be a super-intelligence, or a powerful psychic mindreader, or a precognitive, or a tactical master strategist with more than 26 plans for any given situation, or any other common mutant power to know that Sinister will stick his dick in any random piles of genes you let him, you just need extremely basic pattern recognition. If Sinister appears not to have done so, it is because you haven't found his gene pile yet.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I have trouble keeping track of all the bad decisions that lead up to the gala, they all blend together.
9 months ago
Anonymous
At least they didn't get Jackal/Warren to do it, imagine if they were all Gwen Stacy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>imagine if they were all Gwen Stacy
Stop, my penis can only get so erect
My peabrain can't comprehend how an island full of omegas cant' fricking grow their own food. Shit you got a tech wizard and storm witch which solves 98% of your own problems.
If dirt farmers in Africa can do it, how the hell are you homosexual superior?
I buy it. The muties are legitimately stupid enough to piss off all their reality warpers like I said. They JUST got in a scuffle with Nate Grey and continued to reject him even after during round 2 he showed he could end the fight whenever he wanted and offered to make the world better with their input. Legion saw through them right away and only got involved because his wife's resurrection ended up on the line. As for Franklin? For all of Slott's frickery, one day when he gets his powers back he's going to look back on the Krakoa incident and smirk as he realises he was what mutants DREAM of being all along.
Reminder that CANONICALLY mutants were never even that big a deal to Celestials. Current lore has it that HUMANS were the most super special biological weapons they ever cultivated, because for some reason only humans-not Eternals-have the potential to use the Uni-Mind to destroy the big space bugs capable of killing every Celestial in existence. Mutants are nothing. A genetic dead end infinitely less useful in the eyes of those who carved reality in it's current form out of their own creator's flesh than some overweight regular human kid throwing a brick at Wolverine.
The ones you named are just ones who can tap dance and break all of 616. Even the mid level beings should be able to contribute to a self suntanning people.
Again its just fricking amazing that even people 1000s of years ago realized that having your people contribute to their survival is kind of an important thing to passing your genes and society.
I think there was a Bob the Angry Flower comic where a bunch of elites and movers and shakers decide to make their own nation, but then completely disregarded that there need to be people that can actually, you know, fix the plumbing, farm the fields, raise and butcher animals, and make sure everything that works actually work, and none of those people fit that profile.
Can't Krakoa as a living island easily grow food? Aren't there mutants who's powers can help grow food? They should have clever power-related uses to make farming easier.
Do they even have a plant mutant at all? The drugs were all Beast and Warren Ellis Self Insert Dude's work. There was the eco terrorist girl but I think she controlled animals not plants. Black Tom had some sort of plant powers but they have him in a security post. I genuinely cant remember if there was ever an x character that was like a poison ivy or swamp thing rip off. Were they so preoccupied with creating all the people they needed for mutant immortality that it didn't occur to them they might also need a plant mutant to grow basic crops?
There's several dudes who could do that. But seems everyone was just going to rely on the Krakoa island itself to basically feed them all by living off the fruits it produces. Which obviously backfired since the hangover started kicking in after their non-stop parties, and Krakoa became physically ill from the level of negative thoughts it's feeding off of.
It kind of ties into an overall theme of how the X-men have basically been so focused around themselves and their struggles that the actual mutant community they're protecting doesn't often register to them when getting involved in their shit. After all, if they genuinely cared about their populace, they'd have at least several dudes to serve as backup for Black Tom or even Krakoa in making viable farmland. Or have non-X-men in administrative positions so that they could focus on the important shit, cause we've seen Emma Frost's attempts at diplomacy and they usually involve her just bruteforce brainwashing people that she's pissed off with her b***hy attitude. Of course, we know the real reason why they don't, that being marketing doesn't give a shit about losers like Tree Man or Humus Sapien.
>cause we've seen Emma Frost's attempts at diplomacy and they usually involve her just bruteforce brainwashing people that she's pissed off with her b***hy attitude.
You know, it's really a miracle that someone hasn't tried to make more of a concentrated effort to kill her and the Cuckoos considering how her attempts at diplomacy are saying things like COWER WORMS, YOUR ATTACKS ARE FUTILE.
Amidst all this nonsense I'm just imagining Dani Moonstar to take a break and go talk to Hela about the absolute nonsense going on. God forbid mutants be allowed to have non-mutant friendships these days.
>that being marketing doesn't give a shit about losers like Tree Man or Humus Sapien.
All they needed was a panel showing them doing it. Like the way they had Eye-scream cameoing making treats for kids in a single panel.
So are they actually going to apologize to all humans they treated like this, or will they just leave and scream "WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER FOR A BETTER FUTURE (please ignore how we threw all human allies away as soon as we got Krakoa at the start)"?
Yeah that fricking figures, they're trying to brush it all aside, all the shit they did and how they happily left 'the flatscans' behind, even those who were helping them, because clearly, humanity is going to die out and let them inherit the earth.
These fricking writers man...
Can't wait for Xavier to run into Franklin Richards again and try to explain why the cool mutants club he kicked him out of doesn't exist anymore lmao
Again, watch claremont reset this shit to where 1992 cartoon status quo was >Charles back to his wheelchair and humble, krakoa charles is dead >Moira comes back to life as a mutant and kills robo clone moira, legion is still sane and makes sure none of the krakoa shit as the latest mutant exterminations ever happens again. >Magneto is back, he kills his clone and fricks off, know that mutant supremacy led to this shit. >Apocalypse is back to do apocalypse things. >People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
Both companies are big due to a huge reset very soon.
>People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
That's the most logical takeaway from any of this.
>Moira Betrayed us... I mean, okay, it was after we betrayed her,,, but that was okay because turns out she was already planning to betray us at the time anyway... even though we didn't know that then and we originally started betraying her for a different reason entirely.
God this shit turned into a clusterfrick.
In an island including Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister, I still consider Destiny and Mystique to be the most evil people living on it. The others may have grandeur schemes or more destructive appetites but there's something brutally vindictive and focused about their brand of malice.
>Can't wait for Xavier to run into Franklin Richards again and try to explain why the cool mutants club he kicked him out of doesn't exist anymore lmao
That's not going to happen. The writers will not fricking acknowledge all the shit they did to make the mutants fricking c**ts. No, be ready for yet several goddamn rounds of "oh we should all work together uwu, we're totally the good guys and you all are filthy disgusting bastards for not loving us immediately, no Krakoa never happened shut up"
Seeing that it was a mutant who stole Stark Industries and used his robots against the population and his creator.
Emma is going to reject that she is a mutant from now on now that she is with Tony. And the inevitable burn at Pepper for abandoning Tony when he needed his friends and family at most, even during the Arno Stark saga and when she and Happy were married and replaced half of her body with cybernetics.
>Emma is going to reject that she is a mutant from now on now that she is with Tony.
That is going to be some spectacular cope to witness.
"I-I'm one of you people Tony! Throughout my entire life, I've been mistaken as one of THEM all along! I was just trying to get by below my means while I was slumming it with Scott, okay?!"
We need a new word to describe Scott. At this point "cuck" feels like if anything it undersells just how fricking disloyal his women are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Rightclops never existed.
He was simply a Cuck in disguise, real cyclops died with TAS and evolution was a cuck as singer's movies cyclops.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. I've never gotten the Rightclops cope. If you have to say your character is right in comparison to everyone else, maybe it's not that your character IS right but that he keeps some absolutely piss-poor company.
Can someone tell me how mutant resurrection even works?
Like from what I understand, they have records of every mutant's genetic code, so if someone dies, they basically just clone a new body, and implant their memories into it via a telepath like Prof. X, but what about souls? Did they conveniently forget Marvel has an entire smorgasbord of established mythical afterlifes people end up in when they kick the bucket?
I don't care what cope they're on, as far I'm considered the old X-Men are long dead and Xavier has been coping by telling himself these completely new people are his old friends.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Based, Rightclops is Scott with a jetpack who always has a plan.
I don't think Emma is going to reject being a mutant. She's a b***h, and she's written by a homosexual who loves that she's a girlboss.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Also the idea of Emma fricking Frost ever calling someone else a disloyal ho is so surreal I don't even believe a Marvel writer could write that with a straight face.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It will happen because
1- She saw the horrors of "mutant supremacy" under charles and others.
2- She is the girlboss who hated the mere idea of "mutant supremacy" and saw people she knew die after they discovered the mistake of supporting it, including magneto and moira, also the troonyfication of apocalypse.
3- She found someone as fricked up as her, who understands her and who shares the same frick up history as her, and is willing to become the leader of the hellfire club as his father to do good with no mutant bullshit but still being the fricking hellfire club.
it is not only a match made in heaven, it will also bring butthole stark back from the 90's and we will get this again.
All tony needs now is the victorian mullets
9 months ago
Anonymous
homosexuals please.... Emma is mutant supremacy incarcerated and is only a "good guy" by writer fiat and super fricking insulting retcon.
Emma's only marrying Stark as a bullshit power play to help Tony stop Feilong (the guy who stole Tony's company). She'll learn nothing from the fall of Krakoa except more insults and blathering about how humans and other super heroes once again "let mutants be killed"
9 months ago
Anonymous
>She'll learn nothing from the fall of Krakoa except more insults and blathering about how humans and other super heroes once again "let mutants be killed"
At this point, I want a superhero, any superhero, to not even call her out on her hypocrisy, but rather just shrug at her when she says that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>She'll learn nothing from the fall of Krakoa except more insults and blathering about how humans and other super heroes once again "let mutants be killed"
At this point, I want a superhero, any superhero, to not even call her out on her hypocrisy, but rather just shrug at her when she says that.
This is the arc where her hypocrisy will be called out because Tony is literally her.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Tony being a shit is called out on, though, but someone at Marvel has a serious boner for her and the b***h gets the last word on nearly everything.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't even believe a Marvel writer could write that with a straight face.
You're right, they'd be grinning thinking about how clever they are and how much of a girlboss they can make Emma.
Feilong isn't a mutant. He just used his billions to give himself powers thanks to quartz crystals and space radiation.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And yet he is part of Sinister's mutant crew.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>we just make things up
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I will turn you into a powerful mutant feilong if your sentinels manages to not only destroy krakoa but also hunt down your biggest rival
And now tony is back to his old self
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you give yourself powers you are a MUTATE, not a MUTANT.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Stasis isn't Sinister, he's an Essex who removed Apocalypse's gifts and created his own to replace them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What? Orchis is a human supremacist org. Why are you talking about Sinister? Do you realize the guy with the treble in his head is not the guy with the diamond?
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's easier to just call all of them sinisters than essex's
You people holding this up as bad storytelling when its the spot-on perfect allegory for social justice movements getting precisely dick done from infighting.
You and I both know Marvel doesn't have the balls to call bullshit on social justice movements. Whatever /misc/ rot lives rent free in your brain, you're beyond delusional if you think the same company that brought you Safespace and Snowflake with a straight face is your friend.
Hooray, Hickman can no longer rape the X-Men continuity!
That's right! We'll be back to our regularly scheduled mutant lynchings and robot apocalypses, and at this point I simply cannot wait for them to start up again.
Selene Gallio has been the most levelheaded, sensible person on this stupid council even if she's irredeemable evil.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Gillen, Spurrier, and LaValle have all been criticizing Krakoa from the left.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Gillen
Was this before or after he sperged out with his 2deep4u Godbot and his new DonutOC goddess in AvXvE? His constant shilling for Rasputin IV doesn't help either because it comes off as basic b***h butthurt about his Fear Itself Colossus story getting shitcanned and trying to worm some royalties for his OCs than dunking on Krakoa. >Spurrier
Him & Duggan write the stupidest shit often to whitewash Krakoa through Orchis or tip their fedoras into maximum euphoria through Dr. Nemesis. >LaValle
If yoy can call that clusterfrick of a wannabee Into the Saberverse shitshow a dunk against Krakoa. Outside of veing a slave to DestinyWank, his booths have done jack & shit to the greater scheme of things. >TL;DR
They've been twiddling their thumbs up their asses sucking of Krakoa and cashing checks like the bougie sellouts they truly are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>His constant shilling for Rasputin IV doesn't help either because it comes off as basic b***h butthurt about his Fear Itself Colossus story getting shitcanned and trying to worm some royalties for his OCs than dunking on Krakoa.
Rasputin IV was a Hickman concept that he appropriated. >Him & Duggan write the stupidest shit often to whitewash Krakoa through Orchis or tip their fedoras into maximum euphoria through Dr. Nemesis.
Krakoa is bad, but their enemies are even worse, yes. >If yoy can call that clusterfrick of a wannabee Into the Saberverse shitshow a dunk against Krakoa. Outside of veing a slave to DestinyWank, his booths have done jack & shit to the greater scheme of things.
Um, yes? But it is funny how not a single writer has acknowledged the Sabretooth AU-zombie army at the end of the last mini. It was a really low seller so maybe Marvel decided to just collectively ignore it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Rasputin IV was something Gillen stole for a paycheck.
Not disproving my point since that was just the idea of Chimeras which is even more derivative & slackjawed tripe anyway. >Krakoa is bad, but their enemies are even worse, yes.
Which is shitty writing and shows Spurrier & Duggan's hackery. They can't let a person have legitimaye gripes against the X-Men, they always have to poison the well or bury the message behind a bad actir like Doom showing their ineptitude. >Saberclones is a dunk because they ignore it.
X-Desk being inept dumbasses forgetting their own stories isn't some 5D Chess against Krakoa. It's just sloppy writing from even shittier writers. >TL;DR
Anon, you're gay and need to stop sucking Marvel's wiener in public.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>their enemies are even worse, yes.
Wrong.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Orchis is pure evil and also a bunch of idiot humans being manipulated by an AI from an alternate future that wants to exterminate everyone.
Original White Psylocke is now scissoring Rachel Summers (who now vaguely looks and acts like Chandra from Magic the Gathering with vague dimensional powers and a mental illness haircut) This is likely because they think having a character named Captain Britain be gay is funny and subversive .
Psylocke's been canonically bi ever since she hooked up with Cluster over 10 years ago.
I know, making a character "bisexual" is just a way to ignore the fact that said character was straight form conception but now they like the opposite sex for some reason, patient zero was harley quinn
Claremont wrote just about every woman as bi. "Claremont bi" became a meme for a reason.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Counterpoint: The only reason Moira and Mr. Sinister are even entangled with Orchis is because Krakoa involved them. Forcibly and against her own will, in Moira's case.
Don't frick around and then cry about being found out.
>B-b-but there being manipulated by an AI!
At this point all of Marvel's publishing history has convinced me that not only was biological mistake, but the Celestials rebelling against the First Firmament and creating the Beyonders was a terrible mistake that has created nothing but endless suffering and horror. I am rooting for the AI solely because I cannot stand to root for Earth-616 anymore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Forcibly and against her own will, in Moira's case.
Wasn't there a whole thing where Moira was already considering trying to depower the whole damn mutant population again as an alternate survival plan and that's the reason she didn't want Destiny revived? Or was that just a later retcon they made up to make everyone involved in that story seem like less of an butthole for what they did to her?
9 months ago
Anonymous
What's the problem with reviving Mystique's wife?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Theoretically, her precog powers would interfere in “The Plan”. In actuality, Destiny had Moira roasted to death for trying to make a mutant cure, and she hasn’t forgotten that even six lives later, so mostly spite
9 months ago
Anonymous
Destiny deliberately chose one of the most painful ways to die knowing Moira would remember every moment of it in her future lives so she'd never do anything like that again. Moira has only herself to blame for not learning her lesson and thinking she could just get away with it by being even more duplicitous.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wry true, but stuff like that is the kind of shit that makes supervillain origins
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh right sure, the BURN VICTIM is the real villain here and not the sociopathic lesbian precog.
Again, watch claremont reset this shit to where 1992 cartoon status quo was >Charles back to his wheelchair and humble, krakoa charles is dead >Moira comes back to life as a mutant and kills robo clone moira, legion is still sane and makes sure none of the krakoa shit as the latest mutant exterminations ever happens again. >Magneto is back, he kills his clone and fricks off, know that mutant supremacy led to this shit. >Apocalypse is back to do apocalypse things. >People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
Both companies are big due to a huge reset very soon.
>People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
Humans in the marvel universe actually learning that building racist super robots that can make them themselves immune to any type of weapon on earth is really bad idea? Never. This is like the 8th time this happened,
About the only way that this shit could logically progress. In a world that's shown itself to basically already openly despise aliens, gods/demi-gods, symbiotes, robots/cyborgs, inhumans, eternals/deviants, magicians/witches and all their half-breed variants for the bullshit done by insane tyrannical examples of their kind, having to live with the X-men trying to basically blackmail the world into passively looking the other way while they trash the solar system and screech how nobody ever looked out for them so frick everyone else is just begging for an insanely caustic if not lethal retaliation.
>Moira Betrayed us... I mean, okay, it was after we betrayed her,,, but that was okay because turns out she was already planning to betray us at the time anyway... even though we didn't know that then and we originally started betraying her for a different reason entirely.
God this shit turned into a clusterfrick.
Are you joking? When has ANY faction in Earth-616 made a serious apology? Have the Kree apologised for entangling Earth in it's wars? Has the US government ever issued an apology for all the Hulk experiments? Did Reed ever apologise for everything the Illuminati did while he was rebuilding the omniverse?
Don't be daft. The only people left in charge are supervillains of varying stripes.
Xavier's current cope is to blame it all on Magneto, Apocalypse, and Moira.
Watching the Council actually start to think about how their entire political system works is pretty damn revealing.
Most of those people don't try and go for "oh you should help us because we're oppressed" pity party shit. Or talk about how we should all live together.
The mutants do. They try and say they're oppressed and people should help them. Then they got this new island, defeated death - and left all their human allies behind because frick the 'flatscans', apparently.
Not being competent enough to find literally any other solution, and ultimately failing utterly while Doom, Molecule Man and Dr. Strange succeeded in an entirely unrelated plan.
Only way to conquer the world is not through force, but by breeding the normal humans out.
Mutants should breed and force breed with normal humans to ensure more mutants are born.
It doesn’t work like that. Mutants can’t breed true. Most of their kids turn out normal, as in no powers. Again, mutants are just random freaks of nature. They were never the next step of evolution.
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending?
A mountain of garbage or rather an island, bad as everything Disney has produced with Marvel comics since the beginning, a disaster, a lesson in how not to make comics
No. It feels like a boring choice to have them done in by such… human problems. Hickman’s story had a mythic bent to it, whereas Gillen makes it all feel very mundane. I like his writing a lot, generally, but it doesn’t quite fit right here.
‘The Quiet Council is bad because it’s an unelected oligarchy instead of a hecking liberal democracy’ is just such a boring complaint. If the mutants really aren’t humans, then they shouldn’t live like them, or govern themselves like them.
Hickman would've shown way more problems coming up because that's how he always does these things. Great men that then frick it up and everything comes crashing down around them.
Yeah, no doubt, I just think he’d have made it a little more interesting. And I kind of doubt he’d have ended it with ‘and that’s why liberal democracy is the best.’ Man’s a huge cynic about all that, if East of West is any indication.
>if the mutants really aren’t humans
Every comic from the era where X-Men sales were at their highest insisted that they are.
Maybe this is what the series is missing.
>If the mutants really aren't humans
It's almost like going against the thing Professor X has been believing in for decades to trust a traumatised monster of a woman that wants to kill basically the whole world because of her own misery was a terrible, misguided mistake.
I don’t follow sales numbers, but the Krakoa books have generally been selling pretty well, no? And like it or not, the fandom (who many of the current writers are directly pandering to) thinks of the mutants as being better than ordinary humans. Personally, I disagree, but I think Hickman’s take was an interesting exploration of that idea.
And don’t forget, he didn’t actually buy into the idea that mutants are superior. They get their asses kicked by genetically engineered posthumans in the futures where they lose, and in the ones where they win, they only do so by harnessing the power of the Phoenix- a cosmic abstract that happens to have a boner for mutant redheads. Without that factor, the mutants would inevitably lose to the posthumans.
I mean yeah, the problem is really more the shitty fandom and the hack writers trying to pick up what Hickman wanted to put down. The problem is that both didn't WANT to accept the idea mutie supremacy was a big fraud, and that by the time we got here Hickman can't really be said to be in charge of the creative process.
Hickman wanted to do a much shorter thing, which would be fine to explore a different than usual idea. And, you can read in this thread that currently, X-Men sell well only in comparison to things that are failing at Marvel and are nowhere near their popularity.
Marvel was always about relatable heroes. X-Men were relatable noble outcasts of separate backgrounds and ways of doing things to appeal to a wide range of viewers. You liked boy scouts, you had Cyclops. You liked gritty action heroes, you had Logan. You liked female voices of reason, you had Jean. You liked rogue thieves, you had Gambit. You liked educated people, you had Beast. You liked Christians, you had Kurt. Etc.
X-Men strength was having a set up of relatable/likable people from various places who were working together because their mutations forced them to become outcast, while they still wanted to be heroic. While it was rare for those characters to carry entire solo series, like Justice League/Avengers folks do, instead they could have more developed family relationships due to them not going solo so much.
Regardless, being human/relatable was a draw of those characters. You remove the human aspect, remove unique characteristic elements from their unique backgrounds (like Kurt's Christianity), and what you get? A bunch of butthole demigods whose problem is that they cannot sustain themselves without their main export product selling on the market, because they thought too highly of themselves to ensure a local food production. Maybe don't try to do a high concept Sci Fi if this is supposed to be taken as a serious problem.
This couldn't survive in the long run. Not as an in-universe concept, not as an ongoing story.
>You remove the human aspect, remove unique characteristic elements from their unique backgrounds (like Kurt's Christianity), and what you get? A bunch of butthole demigods
More simply this is on editorial and the old Marvel attitude of we don't do retcons.
Clearly as originally written the Krakoa era was an alternative universe and when it collapsed in itself the original X-Men who died in Disassembled and Age of X-Man would just come back(they might still)
Expanding on it and making it hard canon, replacing the soap opera with political intrigue, Marvel has been trying to make their Game of Thorns since Inhuman, has been a mixed bag, my main problem with Krakoa is that it's become the Spider-Man clone saga in length and the need to read every single book to stay caught up. The only book you could skip is X-Terminators.
Personally I'm ready for a more personal group of books each with a smaller cast of X-Men.
>Clearly as originally written the Krakoa era was an alternative universe
Yeah, I was convinced that it all happened in a previous timeline, and the final timeline would be the present 616.
You know that clone saga comparison is pretty fricking spot on >new status quo to shake things up >had an ending planned but got extended due to popularity >is a complete clusterfrick that forces you to read every tie in to understand it
Except at least clone saga actually had good parts
9 months ago
Anonymous
Gillen's the JMD of the Krakoa-era, I'm liking his run as much as his Uncanny from a decade ago.
>if the mutants really aren’t humans
Every comic from the era where X-Men sales were at their highest insisted that they are.
Maybe this is what the series is missing.
>If the mutants really aren't humans
It's almost like going against the thing Professor X has been believing in for decades to trust a traumatised monster of a woman that wants to kill basically the whole world because of her own misery was a terrible, misguided mistake.
Can someone tell me how mutant resurrection even works?
Like from what I understand, they have records of every mutant's genetic code, so if someone dies, they basically just clone a new body, and implant their memories into it via a telepath like Prof. X, but what about souls? Did they conveniently forget Marvel has an entire smorgasbord of established mythical afterlifes people end up in when they kick the bucket?
All of Krakoa was literally breaking the supernatural cycle of death and rebirth, even Kamala's resurrection was the last drop in this shit.
Even the Likes of Mephisto were livid because people were evading death and becoming immortals with this shit.
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending? >krakoa ends and blows up in everyone's face. >Emma is on the street again and without a real job.
Now it makes sense that she would marry Tony, I don't know why I thought she could be better than that and marry for love.
Irony is that even tony is on the same situation as hers and surprisingly, they both are fricked up being who are in desperate need for being loved.
See the kindred shit, and and the Lilith shenanigans when he took hell back.
Even the recent TOBA shit also broke the cycle now that it is known that gamma affected humans will always be brought back to life.
>Irony is that even tony is on the same situation as hers and surprisingly
50/50, he's not super rich, but he lives better than average and has an expensive apartment.
Supposed to operate on Spider-Man clone rules, the original soul moves into the new clone body if it doesn't already have an inhabitant, otherwise a new soul is created to take up residence. Half the issue was a) They weren't consistent with this shit since either they pulled them off perfectly or they were faulty as frick like they would have missing memories or their bodies could be hijacked
b) The rapidity at which they brought back certain individuals like Wolverine and the X-Men/X-Force that were constantly dying in battle meant that under clone rules, the structural integrity of their souls would be irreparably damaged causing a lot of personality dysfunction, which the X-office refused to portray because
and c) X-men writers refused to admit that the X-men were just using a more refined version cloning technology, and became so incensed that people pointed it out that they outright dragged in Scarlet Witch to invent an entire afterlife for the muties JUST to go "THERE, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE SOULS GO, THEY'RE ALL THE ORIGINAL AND NOT EVER CLONES NOW STOP BUGGING US" despite Duggan fricking that up by introducing Vault Laura at the same time as the x-23 we'd known for years.
I've always thought it was just glorified cloning anyways, and that because mutants made it, it was just another case of Totally Different and Not the Same Thing Someone Else Already Made but with an X Emblazoned on It™. Like everything else, them trying to explain a convoluted concept just made it even worse, especially when nobody is on the same page and there's nobody to tard wrangle everybody to comply.
It honestly made a lot more thematic sense with it being glorified cloning anyways. Perfect resurrection in Marvel's always been depicted as ridiculously tricky from how many factors could go wrong, and the fact the Jackal is arguably the world's best authority on how to clone someone due to his coaching from the High Evolutionary probably really pissed off the writers who wanted to lean into how great the X-men were for 'conquering death' . Hard to lord over how superior your characters are when you know some twerpy comic book nerds will keep pointing out a deranged college professor with a blonde fetish did what they're doing first, and did it without needing an expansive computer database or mutant powers or a living psychic island. No, the gaudy old geezer did it on half-assed homemade technology that compared to the likes of the Mr. Sinister or the Resurrection Five was like building a working rain generator in the middle of the gobi desert with a box of scraps.
>c) X-men writers refused to admit that the X-men were just using a more refined version cloning technology
They explicitly had a rule about confirming kills precisely because revival operated off cloning. For frick's sake, Proteus is running around in clone Xavier bodies.
People getting butthurt about cloning being involved in the revival process is entirely a community issue. They have clearly explained the entire process from the god damn start. It's Spider-Man rules. It was always Spider-Man rules.
>I don't know why I thought she could be better than that and marry for love.
You self-inserted into Cyclops too hard and genuinely thought you could fix her. Seems to be a common affliction in the X-fanbase.
I mean, look at the Cuckoos' relationship with Kid Cable and tell me he isn't lucky that he got out before they could get serious with him.
>Genosha >Utopia >Krakoa
Any particular reason why I should care about this one? They'll make another safe haven for mutants to go down the shitter a few years from now anyway.
>caring about modern comics
Don't be daft, anon. Get out while you still can or...I don't know, is 2000AD still publishing anything other than endless Judge Dredd strips? Is there anything Dynamite is making with good tiddies? Does Avatar Press even still make comics, or has it collapsed? It has a website that apparently hasn't been updated for years.
Recommend me some that aren't Judge Dredd. I desperately need something to wash away this bitter aftertaste, preferably something as brutal as Slaine or Requiem Chevalier.
Well, the Krakoa orgies are probably ending so you're out of luck. God, imagine being an advanced nation run by people who are theoretically hyperintelligent and forgetting to make any plans about population control because your ideology is built on the premise that you must always increase the total number of mutants no matter what.
You're a hyper advanced species with powers reaching god hood.
And you built your entire starting point on an island that eats you. Like frick, at least when man tries to build shit in horrible locations they have a base to work from that doesn't try to kill them.
This entire arc has shown mutants are an evolutionary step back.
I'm sure somebody's going to slide in and call me a gay, but whatever. I just started reading the Omnis and got to the part where Cyclops marries Madelyne Pryor. How in the frick did things lead to this Krakoa shit? Did people actually like this? It just makes the X-Men look like huge c**ts, like they're not even ostensibly heroes anymore, they just live on their weird elf island and revive and do weird mutant supremacist stuff. I'm sure this isn't a new complaint, but I really just don't get it.
This is just what Hickman does. He had a group of Avengers destroy alternate Earths to save their own during the incursions. They erased Steve's mind when he objected to this plan, and when he eventually found out what they did, he spent his last minutes on Earth beating the crap out of Tony who said he regretted nothing. Now none of that matters.
And now it turns out Steve was a deep cover HYDRA agent all along, and the character that Marvel wants you to believe is the "true" Steve Rogers is literally a (Cosmic Cube shaped like a) child's imagining of the ideal hero he was perceived as
That was the real Steve back then, the switcheroo didn't happen until the Cube killed Old Man Steve in Standoff to replace him with a younger Hydra version.
Even worse, they made "ah it turns out the hydra won and agent timeline is a fake timeline, and the real steve was lost in limbo paradox"
And JMS will undo all of the hydracap shit
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Exactly
Whoops, my bad. Either way, the real Captain America has been dead a long, long time ago.
>undo all of the hydracap shit
After years of OMD not being undone, I have zero faith.
Even worse, they made "ah it turns out the hydra won and agent timeline is a fake timeline, and the real steve was lost in limbo paradox"
And JMS will undo all of the hydracap shit
That was the real Steve back then, the switcheroo didn't happen until the Cube killed Old Man Steve in Standoff to replace him with a younger Hydra version.
It took a lot of retcons, starting with the fact that their scottish housekeeper was a secret mutant that basically reincarnated through at least six different apocalypses where mutants all died, mind broke Xavier with that knowledge, and entered a secret pact with herself, Xavier and Magneto to basically conspire to create Krakoa in the background while history goes about as normal until mutantkind is so mindbroken and devestated that the three can intervene with their weird plan knowing that everyone else would too exhausted and heartbroken to say no.
Meaning that everything Xavier had said for the past fifty years was a complete lie, every fight his X-men had with Magneto was secretly a gigantic play fake fight, Moira had a child that she knew would go insane solely for his powers, and that these three allowed every single mutant genocide to occur because it fit into their plans.
Yeah, it's pretty fricked up, but this is the thing a lot of X-men fans claim they wanted.
It blows my mind that the fact that said scottish housekeeper turned out to be blackmailed into helping the X-Men by Destiny and Mystique and secretly hates mutants and has now turned herself into a killer robot to try and get some nebulous revenge on all mutantkind that still hasn't manifested tangibly beyond also trying to kidnap Mary Jane Watson just so she could tell Peter to frick off blows my mind.
Seriously Moira should just offer her robo-pussy to Ultron and sic him on them.
Sadly, Ultron's too busy trying to convince himself he's his own daddy to do anything. It's probably why they have Nimrod as involved as he is with this storyline.
>Meaning that everything Xavier had said for the past fifty years was a complete lie, every fight his X-men had with Magneto was secretly a gigantic play fake fight, Moira had a child that she knew would go insane solely for his powers, and that these three allowed every single mutant genocide to occur because it fit into their plans.
Absolutely this. It blows my mind how everyone goes on about this era where the xmen are for once happy when both xavier and magneto just allowed all these events to transpire for it to happen.
This hurts considering the Banshee/Moira sideplot has been really charming. Maybe it's just me but big-name hero comics seem to have an addiction to tripping over their own feet in an attempt to be novel/controversial. The struggle of writing for an old, established franchise I suppose.
Where do they admit they're a sick country? Besides working with baddies and failing to perceive villainous actions, they don't question their institutions.
Near the end of the issue, the resident literal tree-hugger has to spell it out for Charles because he's too deep into sunk cost fallacy to acknowledge it's all gone to shit.
So did Nimrod just drop from the sky, genocide everyone and then fricked off?
The latest Immortal X-Men that ended with them dissolving the Quiet Council. Also the latest Wolverine where X-Force got fed up with the Council letting Beast get away with being a war criminal so they broke orders and went after him themselves, ending with Wolverine declaring he was done with Krakoa.
So did Nimrod just drop from the sky, genocide everyone and then fricked off?
He killed a good amount, but the vast majority went through the gates. Mother Righteous probably has them tucked away on the Krakoa island she stole.
Sadly, Ultron's too busy trying to convince himself he's his own daddy to do anything. It's probably why they have Nimrod as involved as he is with this storyline.
A single page, a single phrase, and Nimrod immediately became my favorite Marvel character.
I wonder if Krakoa's collapse is going to have some consequences on the galactic stage or Marvel's just going to have the mutants declaring themselves rulers of the Solar system swept under the rug.
If Marvel writers were good, the former due to how much Marvel has been pushing for more cosmic shit. If things go as expected, the latter cause it's not like the galaxy doesn't already hate Earth and its inhabitants anyways.
Scott and Emma broke up way back in AvX when they were high on Phoenix and she mentally cheated on him with Namor just like what he and Emma did to Jean during Morrison's run. Jean came back to life a few years ago and got Bishop'd, then Scott came back to life, then they got back together at the start of Hickman's run who added that poly-pandering "they're in an open relationship and Jean's fricking Logan who has his own bedroom adjacent to Jean's in their moon mansion" aspect to it.
Can't; X Factor did an arc where Mojoverse was live broadcasting mutant deaths BECAUSE Mojo found out about Krakoa and mutant resurrection and decided to exploit it.
Also Mr Sinister beat up Mojo in one of those oversized preview of upcoming stories issues over Sinister wanting Mojo to let Krakoa pick and chose which Mojoverse TV channels Krakoa gets in a parody of the whole "people don't like cable television because they end up paying for channels they never watch" debate.
So now they expect to just migrate back to the mainland and be accepted? I know they like to paint the mutants as victims, but leaving and coming back, kinda makes it hard to plant their feet on this issue.
Most most mutants are presumed dead (Forge reappeared in this week's X-Men having been revealed to have been kidnapped prior to the Gala and dumped off-world somewhere and they are implying Polaris is on Mars as well). ORCHIS has Cyclops prisoner in their jail and have stated that the current options for all mutants is A. let ORCHIS depower you B. be deported to Mars (where the Arrakos mutants are bullying and terrorizing earth mutants) and C. prison.
Yeah, basically the end result of Krakoa arc is making xenophobia and genocide against mutants 100% ethically and morally justified. If that was the end goal, good job. Otherwise huge frickup.
The Sentinel Program is still moronic but in the grand scheme humans merging with technology to become techno-organic hybrids is not only inevitable, it makes sense with our without mutants.
Basically mutants are just pissy no one thinks they're special
>Basically mutants are just pissy no one thinks they're special
To be fair, they really aren't. Most of them are just people with blue skin or an extra appendage somewhere, meanwhile there are dedicated superhuman programs that can potentially mass produce bricks and blasters or combinations of both, along with some other more esoteric powers, that's not even counting the training that humans can do to achieve psychic powers like Moondragon or radar sense like Daredevil.
Humans in Marvel have been in charge of changing their evolutionary path ever since Captain America was created. Transhumanism was there before mutants were even a concept.
It gets really ridiculous when you account for the fact that this is a world that has actual, no bullshit gods like Thor walking around. And that to add insult to injury, that one time the Asgardians died, reincarnated and ended up stranded on Earth a fricking miracle happened and the locals found it in their hearts to stop being Marvel civilians for several weeks and be generally good neighbours until they found their footing and could go home. Shit, nobody even seems to be holding the fact that Odin was seriously considering destroying the Earth to take out the Serpent against them.
People may not worship Asgardians anymore, but the way they treat them compared to mutants is like night and day even though the average Asgardian is “merely” a very buff and functionally immortal 7/10 at worst nordic guy/gal
Sure, but you don't need to be a super-intelligence, or a powerful psychic mindreader, or a precognitive, or a tactical master strategist with more than 26 plans for any given situation, or any other common mutant power to know that Sinister will stick his dick in any random piles of genes you let him, you just need extremely basic pattern recognition. If Sinister appears not to have done so, it is because you haven't found his gene pile yet.
The muties have nobody to blame but themselves for having one part of their plans being “invite Mr. Sinister to the Council and let him be in charge of significant parts of our operations” and somehow thinking that could ever end well.
Did he actually say this or is this like the fake J Jonah Jameson quote where he shit talks Venom to his face and reveals that he always knew that Spiderman was Peter Parker?
Fake quote. Remender built his entire Uncanny Avengers run around the fact that in Kang's future, all mutants fricked off into outer space ala the Rancor arc in OG Guardians of the Galaxy from the 90s
The shit that the humans went to hate mutants over remains so fricking dumb. >They have powers naturally instead of getting them in freak accidents!
So do inhumans. The only difference is one gets it often during puberty and the other activates theirs after huffing magic fart clouds. >they bring each other back to life, how's that fair to humans
Literally not the first ones to come up with this shit. Tony Stark was on a very public trial about whether he's a person or property where this very same method of making a backup, a clone, and then upload the backup into the clone was the process to revive Tony Stark. >but their mutant meds!
Again, mutants aren't the first with this shit. Superior Stark sold everyone in San Francisco Extremis, which could fix anything wrong with you, for the ever so low price of a hundred bucks a day. There's nothing stopping Stark or some other technocrat from starting that back up on a broader scale without the prohibitive price tag.
I would have much preferred the Krakoan era to have ended with mutants imploding on themselves and disbanding the nation from disillusionment instead of constant external nonsense battering on them to make them unsustainable.
Don't get me wrong.
I would have been fine with those reasons were they not done elsewhere first where humanity reacted to it with a resounding "meh". As it currently stands it just looks like humans are just being moronic because mutants decided to ape them.
3 things that made it more believable: the idea that they laced the drugs with poison they can activate at any time, the idea that they attacked that one suburban town in mutant first strike, and colossus voting to leak the sins of sinister events to the whole world.
>the idea that they laced the drugs with poison they can activate at any time
Not really believable because Krakoa is a nation only 3 years old, going by the number of hellfire galas they've had. A real criminal mastermind of a nation wouldn't be doing this shit until at least a few decades where other nations will have finally let down their guard around a fledgling country.
>Literally not the first ones to come up with this shit. Tony Stark was on a very public trial about whether he's a person or property where this very same method of making a backup, a clone, and then upload the backup into the clone was the process to revive Tony Stark.
Something that mutants collectively did not reveal to the humans they've 'graciously' revived, someone had to reveal that for them "By the way, this isn't your daughter, it's a clone of your daughter who had a memory imprint." >Again, mutants aren't the first with this shit. Superior Stark sold everyone in San Francisco Extremis,
No, just because they're not the first to do something evil and stupid doesn't mean they get a pass. Extermis was a supervillain move that was stopped. Are you saying that mutants are collectively supervillains?
because it's the perfect illustration of a mutant worst case scenario, and there's nothing actually stopping it from happening in the main marvel universe besides plot armor?
Same way every non-mutant superhero or villain without plot armour would cause insane damage when their powers first manifest. Going by the most extreme and edgy take is stupid.
because it's the perfect illustration of a mutant worst case scenario, and there's nothing actually stopping it from happening in the main marvel universe besides plot armor?
Didn't something similar happen in main storyline aswell, teenager had a power that killed all his loved ones and alot of people around him in instant his power manifested, and then he wakes up in hospital bed with a another mutant giving him two options, or am I remembering wrong?
It was a one page story, it was Kitty who cam to recruit the guy, and you're right.
She basically says >I know you killed everyone you ever loved and are traumatized for life >You probably hate yourself, the world and everything in it >But you can join a cool covert ops team in spandex that's glamorous and sexy >And instead of feeling guilt you can feel superior
Not gaslighting because she's not denying reality. What Kitty is doing is some sociopathic with a hint of megalomania.
Typical modern X-Men in other words.
xavier walked all the mutants into the death portals
how did he send the orphan babies through?
just have one person pick up each baby and walk through?
No cause it took fricking years for them to reach the exact same conclusion we reached when it first fricking started. Nobody wants to twiddle their fricking thumbs waiting for the shoe to drop watching the narrative equivalent of busywork and I don't give a SHIT about nimrod.
Nimrod and Orchis are good additions, they're the X-Men's Hydra or AIM going forward, they allow Sentinels to be a thing while being unattached to real life world governments, religions and hate groups. I know people we're getting sick of the post M-Day X-Men vs America and the Purifiers storylines.
Orchis makes things simpler, they're just mutant hating bad guys who live in Space.
>Nimrod and Orchis are good additions
No they're not all of their wins and gains are retconned and of screened after the writers had them shit around and piss in the wind for close to three goddamn years
Not only this, but a lot of Duggan's handling of Orchis has revolved around false-flag schemes and trying to make people hate mutants by framing Krakoa for doing bad things, instead of just exposing the actual bad things Krakoa is doing.
>instead of just exposing the actual bad things Krakoa is doing.
But then some of our faves might be implicated! Think of the faves anon!!
Let's be honest here: Mutants are too incompetent to find a way to beat basic b***h robots that theoretically aren't even on par with Kree technology. All those powers-evolution, psionics, the fricking Phoenix-and they still eat shit to a clenched metal fist sooner or later.
Is anyone really surprised the morons can't run a fricking vegetable garden? Probably used all the arable land to grow their medicinal drugs lmao
Not to mention all the other Star empires they're trading magic supermetal with. You'd think they'd have got energy shields, or orbital satellites, or anti robot EMPs or something out of it. Even when colonial powers were exploiting natives with really unequal trades, the natives still got guns and goods better than what they had out of the deal. Mutants made an unnatural super resource currency wanted by most of the Galactic powers and traded it for... clout?
There were 250,000 mutants on Earth total. I guess they're all supposed to be able to live on Krakoa, but I'm not sure they ever really did. It doesn't seem that big.
>Nationalism isn't why it was bad. This is why the X-Men suck now...
Modern X-Men are everything SJWS and Misc types actually want but won't admit. They say it's about tradition or nonwhite spiritual authenticity but really they want to be a caste of child gods beholden to no one but peer pressure in their group. All while desperately sucking off their metaphorical domme who gives them said privileges.
They can whine about oppression all they want, but what they truly want is to be doing the exact same thing they imagine their oppressors to be doing.
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending?
No, mutants are still a thing and Marvel is still publishing X-Men books. It should have ended with them being smote from the Earth by the wrath of God.
Since they're getting back to having villains again, why do so many X-Men villains revolve around some form of psionics/telepathy/telekinesis? I get that it's an OP power, but so many villains in their rogue's gallery have some form of this power.
Or maybe it's the council that's moronic and the caus of the disease.
Maybe some of them should have taken a public adinistrsrion course instead of having 24/7 orgies.
The Right love pushing the idea of getting away from globalization and back to small communities, but also hate things that bring communities together like public gardens and local art fetisvals and stuff for being too Liberal.
Because having a Seattle major allow you to occupy a portion of the city with guns and a self-declared warlord, and having CNN never write a mention of your underage victim wasn't the issue. It is the right wingers hating liberal activities.
I do recall the kid that was killed was driving/in a stolen car trying to escape police. They drove to the CHAZ and tried to drive in, only to have CHAZ security open fire on the car killing one of the kids.
The CHAZ only survived on the goodwill of others bringing them food and snacks.
Let's be honest here: Mutants are too incompetent to find a way to beat basic b***h robots that theoretically aren't even on par with Kree technology. All those powers-evolution, psionics, the fricking Phoenix-and they still eat shit to a clenched metal fist sooner or later.
Is anyone really surprised the morons can't run a fricking vegetable garden? Probably used all the arable land to grow their medicinal drugs lmao
Don't get your hopes up. Strictly speaking it's just that the Krakoa council in it's current form is dissolved with the intention of finding replacements, there's still a chance the homosexual muties continue Krakoa but just tone it the frick down.
They're vague and have gone both ways about how that shit like that is handled during resurrection. Like in one issue Forge mentions having a vat of molten adamantium they have to use every time wolverine rezes, then another issue they say x23 has metal bones now because proetus got mixed up while bringing her back one time implying they just magically do that stuff while growing the bodies. Cable is shown literally reinfecting himself with the TO virus right after every respawn. Meanwhile Cyclops still has usual brain damage even after dying like 8 times, Forge is still missing his limbs, Whizkid still can't walk. So who the frick knows the status of Emma's implants.
I'm still going with "she gives Elixir a hand job so he'll give her a natural breasts upgrade every time she comes back".
>Like in one issue Forge mentions having a vat of molten adamantium they have to use every time wolverine rezes >then another issue they say x23 has metal bones now because proetus got mixed up while bringing her back one time implying they just magically do that stuff while growing the bodies. >Cable is shown literally reinfecting himself with the TO virus right after every respawn. >Meanwhile Cyclops still has usual brain damage even after dying like 8 times >Forge is still missing his limbs >Whizkid still can't walk.
>Mutants staying in Westchester and interacting with humans daily, slowly improving their own lives and physical condition: 😐 >Mutants self-exiling to a demi-plane, but being dicks to everyone and keeping their own physical conditions everytime they revive: :O
I just want the muties to go on supernatural adventures, fight supernatural baddies, solve supernatural problems, and be a general scifi-fest again. The moronic, soap opera shit had its chance, and failed. Go back to what made X-men good.
I hate how x-men became gossip girl with mutties, I mean sex was a thing in marvel and all, but at some point you started to need a fricking diagram to keep track on who cheated who with what in each timeline, at this point I just think to myself that cheating drama in marvel is the mark of a hack writer
I wish we had dumb adventures over love quintet, seriously who enjoys that crap?
I don't think women read this and I have yet to find a single dude that likes this crap, well there are a couple of guys that really dig the mind control shenanigans but other than that every dude is called a simp or a prostitute, no in between
This is a shitty writer problem not an audience one
>can't defeat the Dominions >EVER >Just fricking give up and run away rather than try to see if Reed can "borrow" the Ultimate Nullifier and send it forward in time or if Thor can unlock one more Super Saiyan transformation
Typical mugga behaviour, running away tail between their legs the moment they realise they fricked around and found out
The question is why aren't you? We should ALL do the Joker dance when Jean bites it, the world is better with Jean dead than alive in it at this point.
You know at a certain point Moira should have just considered abandoning Earth for Asgard or something. Just try to sneak into the Nine Realms and beg for amnesty.
She dies and it resets. I don't think it's been elaborated on any further, let alone how the hell it interacts with-let's say, the Beyonder-interfering with time and space.
It's just like that one time Carol trusted a random precog to be 100% infallible during Civil War 2, because this is the story Hickman wants to tell you're supposed to ignore all the other futures where Dominions were irrelevant like, say, Old King Thor's or the one where Doom takes over eventually and pretend fricking robots are the most dangerous things in the universe
I was lead to believe it was just some isekai bullshit where she basically dies and her brain gets sent to a parallel timeline when she was a baby. A literal reset would make shit like the 2015 Secret Wars far more screwball than before
Nope. She explicitly reincarnates and resets the timeline. THAT is her power. So yes, canonically Secret Wars happened multiple times and none of the participants either noticed or cared.
Nope. She explicitly reincarnates and resets the timeline. THAT is her power. So yes, canonically Secret Wars happened multiple times and none of the participants either noticed or cared.
It's even worse than you think? Sinister was cloning and using her as IRL save states.
The timeline wasn't just reset a few times, it was dozens if not hundreds of times as Sinister kept playing Kaizo Mario with the time stream.
I wish it collapsed from a more political angle than "then Nimrod appears and kills everyone lol". They made a society beyond the paradigms of the human world, but are the mutants not deep down human as well?
Wouldn't there be mutants who don't like aspects like the breeding chambers, Quiet Council, and environmentalism? It'd be a bit slow but it would make for a cool story of the whole "Mutant Nation" project failing due to people being shitty.
The bolder choice would be to not break Krakoa apart, but have it go through some metamorphosis.
He was trying to complete all the sidequests and get acheivements out of the way before passing the point of no return. Its why he was body slamming everyone, he was completely overlevelled for that boss fight and going for style points.
>I wish it collapsed from a more political angle than "then Nimrod appears and kills everyone lol".
I agre 100%, maybe it's because I've been reading immortal x-men and not the main x-men book, but it feels super unsatisfaying as an end to Krakoa, the situation in sins of sinister were they just indulges the worst aspect of krakoa was a lot more interesting than just a basic supervillain plot that just works this time for some reason. Which really says nothing about the concept beside "fascism bad".
Also a poor man sinister, a wannabe mandarin, Nimrod and fricking Modok were able to take out every mutant ever working together just because the plot armour was turned off.
>deep down
They're humans with a single oddball gene that grants them superpowers. I see no evidence that mutants in general possess some greater level of intelligence or higher morality. Insisting otherwise always comes off as insanity or copium to me.
>I chose a random group that I have never once cared about in my life over my own family >Also I used to be part of a group that was actively genociding you guys but eh that was pretty cool at the time cuz I wasn't a mutant yet >Now we homies
Can Kamala frick right off.
Oh, frick, it's over?
Why are the muggas leaving their containment island?
Does this mean Proteus and Apocalypse and Magneto are all evil again?
Proteus stopped being evil once he got a steady supply of clone bodies
A doesn’t believe in Survival of the Fittest anymore
Magneto is dead
>A doesn’t believe in Survival of the Fittest anymore
Food Fight was a mistake
I don't follow the books but I really enjoyed Apocalypse's portrayal in the old cartoon. Could you please elaborate?
Haven't kept up, can't magneto come back from the dead or did Uranos delete their immortality? (Didn't read the storyline)
Magneto specifically told them not to bring him back and order his back ups destroyed. Because, believe it or not, magneto actually realized how bad Krakoa was before Xavier did. And decided he wanted no part of it anymore.
It's more like they softened his beliefs to make him work in krakoa. Like now "the fittest" could be in group or collective terms rather than each induvial members having to be the strongest possible. Then they gave his old absolutist beliefs to his heartless "even better warrior than he is" wife. While he's now the philosopher/artist/poet/emotional softy of the pair.
Really hope Gillen fixes this in the big A issue of Immortal just like he fixed Hackman's Sinister.
Confusing Storm and Magneto. Storm had her backup destroyed because she started to realize how bullshit Krakoa was; to the point that she had already told the X-Men not to bring her back during the Giant Size mini when she was poisoned because she had, by that point, seen how fricked up things were with mutants becoming immortal.
Magneto meanwhile only deleted his back up because the Arrako mutants on Mars called him a pussy and homosexuals for having used the resurrection protocols multiple times to cheat death and Magneto wanted the barbarian mutants to like him. Also his last words were basically "Xavier is a homosexuals, he won't kill or enslave humanity and will chicken out at some point and martyr us trying to reclaim his pacifist street cred" to Storm
The virgin Magneto "I'll just die so Arakko will respect me" vs the chad Nightcrawler "I will die 20 times in a row and remember every death and Arakko will respect me."
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Magneto was depressed that his first child, Anya, is permadead. He had hoped that she had a latent x-gene which would make her resurrection possible, but she didn't and thus can't be brought back. So he told them not to bring him back if he died, which happened when he was mortally wounded fighting Uranos.
Hehe Uranus
>Magneto is dead
No, not enough mutant genocide. Krakoa has convinced me that every single bit of anti-mutant prejudice was retroactively justified all along, if this is what happens when muties get power.
KILL MUTANTS. BEHEAD MUTANTS. ROUNDHOUSE KICK A MUTANT ACROSS THE CANADIAN BORDER. SLAM DUNK A MUTANT ABORTION INTO THE TRASHCAN. LAUNCH MUTANTS INTO THE SUN. STIR FRY MUTANTS IN A WOK. TOSS MUTANTS INTO THE BOWELS OF KRAKOA. JUDO THROW FAIRIES INTO THE BELOW-PLACE. TWIST MUTANTS’ HEADS OFF. FEED MUTANTS TO THE BOWELS OF KRAKOA. KARATE CHOP MUTANTS IN HALF. TRAP MUTANTS IN QUICKSAND. CRUSH MUTANTS IN THE GOD QUARRY. LIQUEFY MUTANTS IN A VAT OF ACID. STOMP MUTANT SKULLS WITH ADMANTIUM TOED BOOTS. CREMATE MUTANTS IN THE OVEN. LOBOTOMIZE MUTANTS. ZERG RUSH MUTANTS WITH ANGRY INHUMANS. GATHER THE INFINITY STONES AND SNAP MUTANTS OUT OF EXISTENCE. KICK OLD MUTANTS DOWN THE STAIRS. FEED FAIRIES TO GALACTUS. MAKE WANDA A VILLAIN AGAIN. TOTAL MUGGA GENOCIDE.
>Krakoa came and went without anyone acknowledging Ultron while wringing hands over the Dominions, who are bazillions of lightyears further away and far less capable of wiping out all mutants right damn now
Imagine being Kamilla right now.
Imagine being told you're a mutie right as the mutie orgies are about to end.
They can't acknowledge Ultron because then they'd have to admit Nimrod and the Sentinels are vastly inferior to based Ultron who would definitely wipe out all of Krakoa in a single night.
It's still funny to me how Krakoa conveniently managed to alienate every single reality warper who they could have used as a legitimate argument to survive Ultron without going crying to the Phoenix again. Franklin, Nate and David all saw through the bullshit and wanted nothing to do with it.
Well okay, Legion KIND OF ended up as a sort of guest there to be with his wife but even then he's far from doing everything he could to help if he was actually invested in Krakoa.
Franklin Richards? Did something change? Last I saw he was begging to be let in for mutant orgies before his powers dried up.
Not as far as I know. That was, in fact, what I was talking about-the fact that artificial mutants are OK, but somehow the X-Men just fricking dump Franklin the moment he's not useful for them.
The strategists of Krakoa everyone, instigating a potential grudge with a former reality warper if he ever gets his powers back.
>Why are the muggas leaving their containment island?
Cause X-Men are gonna be in Disney approved movies soon.
>Why are the muggas leaving their containment island
The island literally drains mutant lifeforce to survive, so once their population drops below a certain number the drain on each person would increase from not even significant enough to notice, to being outright deadly. Basically the island literally becomes toxic and unlivable to mutants once enough of them are dead.
Why did they need an island that eats them to begin with? They didn't think to use their powers to just make a floating normal island like any other idiot would?
Aren't they all immortal?
Of the five mutants that are required to respawn people on the island.
>Two are d grade characters introduced during Bendis' run, and could be killed off in an instant.
>Elixir, who already has an established history of getting taken out when ever his healing powers would get in the way of the plot happening.
>Proteus is an old x villain that presumably goes evil and insane again as soon as he doesn't have an endless supply of bodies to burn through anymore.
>And finally Hope. A largely redundant 00's character from an aborted storyline that said she was supposed to be the mutant Jesus. She's the only one of the 5 that got any characterization during this whole damn arc.
These characters could be killed off when ever the writer wants (which will be right after they rez all the dead A listers one last time), getting rid of krakoa's resurrections forever. And at least two of them are low tier enough that they'll likely stay dead too.
>A largely redundant 00's character from an aborted storyline that said she was supposed to be the mutant Jesus.
Somewhere in his own plane of existence Nate Grey silently hopes that one day Hope will wake up and realise that being the Mutant Jesus is like being a third world prostitute but even more degrading.
>And finally Hope. A largely redundant 00's character from an aborted storyline that said she was supposed to be the mutant Jesus. She's the only one of the 5 that got any characterization during this whole damn arc
I immensely dislike Hope. I hope she'll met a grisly end and be forgotten
I rather have Hope than an alive Jean.
>B-But is a good character unlike Hope
Don't care, claremont drone, she is better dead
Based. Age of X-Man really soured me on Jean, despite the fact that Nate was the aggressor.
>She's the only one of the 5 that got any characterization during this whole damn arc.
Err.. how? Explain pls.
midway through this arc Hope was placed on the high council of krakoa, this meant she got to have actual screen time and arguments with the rest of the characters, especially being weirded out by her biggest simp, Exodus, who basically worships her like she literally is Ginger Jesus.
Compared to that, the biggest moment Proteus ever got was having Moira show up at the gala and tell him she never loved him, she only had him because they needed his powers for their grand plan, and he should go frick himself. While the rest of the 5 have barely had a single line of dialog over the past two years and only ever show up in background scenes.
Ah, my bad. When you said "characterization" I was thinking "character growth", which are two very different things.
Tempus is unkillable as in literally unkillable, they already left her for dead once and sh came back. They forgot that she's both stupidly broken and a giga b***h that wouldn't have agreed to help them.
>Tempus
Why Marvel has 2 characters with the same power and the same codename
Tempus is the cute Asian chick in the miniskirt with time powers
Tempo is the angry black woman in the yellow body suit with time powers.
Also blame Bendis picking such a similar name.
You know... There is a lot of things in the Marvel universe that seem to exist just to kill mutants.
Maybe God does hate them
Why aren't they fricking to make more mutants so the Drain on them is significantly less deadly?
Nobody that goes to mutant orgy island to work a menial child care job.
This is why I hate Muggas so much each and everyone of them thinks they are some sort of important character destine for so sort of greatness just cause they can shoot fire out of their ass, they don't even want to frick each other and raise their next generation of entitled pricks who think they are holier then thow.
>everyone of them thinks they are some sort of important character destine for so sort of greatness
>they don't even want to frick each other and raise their next generation of entitled pricks who think they are holier then thow.
But enough about California.
because writers refuse to have a comic book with families in the background and dealing with raising children. can't keep beast as a villain if you write him building a death ray on top of the daycare center to protect the children
>Why are the muggas leaving their containment island?
Because comics keep circling back to some status quo that stopped being relevant decades ago much like a turd circles a drain in your toilet.
The allegory of X-Men is more relevant now than it ever has been.
All mutants should be executed, yes. It's the only thing that makes sense in the long run.
how? what do you mean by this?
beast is the only character that was against the magneto shit in the beginning, and he has been written in to le random unredeemable villain that's treated like a nuisance to be swept under the rug. what's the allegory here? that liberal capitalist writers will just out themselves as fascists and scapegoat the closest thing to a marxist by assassinating their character... oh shit okay yeah you're right.
Nah Nimrod killed 4 drag queens and 3 women and they're giving up their country already.
That kind of strategic drag queen gap is insurmountable and you know it.
Why are these sort of articles written as if the characters and events are real? Can Sharts not tell the difference between fiction and reality?
can you?
honestly I think it's fricking hilarious.
I think Nimrod should have gone through the omega level mutants like a boss rush. That would have been fun to see.
It's fun
>Can Sharts not tell the difference between fiction and reality?
You would be surprised with how many people seem to be incapable of that
We're on a board where people argue cape shit as if real logics and physics apply. Cheap blog shit applying the same thing for easy clicks is just the evolution.
They're trying to build a sense of drama to get more people interested in Product (TM) of course.
You say this, but Europeans unironically cannot tell fiction and reality at all. Like they have the actual worst comprehension skills regarding this I've ever seen. The amount of Europeans who see something that's entirely misleading, flat out false, or just something from a Marvel film or parody site and think that's the actual reality of America or any other country on Earth is astronomical.
Then the rest of the world must ne ten times worse, given how their governments censor even innocous media. Because if the Euros can't, then the rest of world is worse.
Shit tier bait. The exact same could be said of America towards the rest of the world.
I'll never comprehend why eurosharts have such an obsession with burgerstan
Because the idea their way of life depends on them ruffles their tea fingers.
>Why are these sort of articles written as if the characters and events are real?
Why wouldn't they be? Are you suggesting the writer has to adopt a different tone or else morons will be fooled into thinking Charles Xavier is actually out there, somewhere?
Wait, he isn't real? Then who the frick is going to stop Magneto?!
You, anon. Do it for humanity.
>Does this mean Proteus and Apocalypse and Magneto are all evil again?
When did they stop being evil?
Haven't kept up since that gay sword tourney, are the Sentinels here yet?
Sentinels have been here for a while
Honestly, no.
Krakoa should’ve had air defenses considering all of the times people have snuck onto the island.
Also, their medicine being their only export is fricking bullshit considering Krakoa should be able to grow diamonds like her grandson.
the gala didn't happen on krakoa tho
All that means is they should have had security fricking looking at the air like any organization with common sense would do even if they weren't on an island.
Who's gonna want all those diamonds
They should export cheap energy with a Surge Storm Battery
battery being my mugga name and me sandwiched between ororo and noriko
remember in AvX when cyclops had them all on an island in the middle of a bay that could be hit by artillery from many sides?
It's awful. But like other people have said, such a moronic premise executed so poorly can only have a shitty ending.
Also if they are actually turning on the idea of Krakoa itself that would be interesting, since that directly conflicts with the loads of writers who portray it like a literal utopia. If it's true then the backstage politics that lead to this turn would be a more interesting story than the actual arc.
Meh. I preferred the INHUMAN MASTER RACE, so Orgy Island ending is whatever.
I don't think it's ending
>nationalism bad
>homogeneity bad
>wanting to be with people like you is bad unless you're black
This is an object lesson is politics leading a person to moronic conclusions.
Krakoa was full of anti-human degenerates who spurned everything good that didn't directly benefit them, but apparently because they're Israel 2.0 they're based trads, honorary aryans.
It's almost like a lot of these ethno state types think everyone should have ethno states, not merely themselves.
>ethno state types think everyone should have ethno states, not merely themselves.
lol lmao even
That's exactly how it is though.
>homogeneity bad
Aren't mutants about as heterogeneous as it's possible to be? They have like.. One gene in common, and pretty much nothing else.
who's the flame-beard guy?
Chamber
Chamber is a weird character since hardly anyone seems to bother remembering he's some sort of psionic zombie instead of fire face guy
Endeavour
This is why THE METAPHOR was always nothing but hogwash. Just make mutants a catch-all-term for any Marvel superhuman and be done with it.
>Just make mutants a catch-all-term for any Marvel superhuman and be done with it.
That term already exists: mutate.
>Beast
>A human guy that only got furry because of a moronic experiment
>I should feel bad for him and laugh at Cyke or Wolverine
Webcomic artist are moronic
Secondary Mutation anon.
Nah, Beast got blue and furry on purpose as a disguise for some dumb plan of his. The problem came when he couldn’t reverse it. Oops.
Beast still had ridiculously large hands and feet even when he didn't have fur
he took the initiative and experimented on himself as opposed to testing on animals and others. it's actually a very upright thing to do
He didn't has time to test because he wanted to save someone.
>Webcomic artists are moronic because they aren't obsessed with the lore of funnybooks for children like me, a terminally online kissless virgin with morbid obesity who knows all the stats about Marvel's overworked metaphor for Malcolm X era race relations."
K
Are you baiting?
Comics are not meant for children at least since the 90s
The X-Men are not a metaphor for black Civil rights activists, they are literally analogous to gay people
human passing mutants = lgbtq+ metaphor
not passing mutants = race metaphor
>fricking glob Herman
Every time
Why is rogue in the complaining group if she can't ever physically touch someone despite being a smoking hot dime piece.
I'm aware that most Anon's cannot relate but damn.
Are Rogue and Gambit still married?
They want to divorce them to make Rogue gay, but the Psylocke backlash is keeping them for doing it (for now)
The worst part is I can't tell if you're joking or not.
>the Psylocke backlash
the whatnow?
Psylocke is a dyke now her girlfriend is the future daughter of Scott and Jean Grey that's still married to future Franklin Storm btw
say Cyke right now
there's still Japanese ninja psylocke out there if it make you feel better. I honestly don't know if marvel has made her gay yet. Though they did give her a generic tragic backstory about once having a kid that her ninja clan murdered.
>er girlfriend is the future daughter of Scott and Jean Grey that's still married to future Franklin Storm btw
Wasn't Rachel dating Kurt?
Yeah that's still cheating, but less bad than suddenly turning gay and cheat, I feel bad for future Franklin Richards he doesn't know how much of a prostitute his wife is
Original White Psylocke is now scissoring Rachel Summers (who now vaguely looks and acts like Chandra from Magic the Gathering with vague dimensional powers and a mental illness haircut) This is likely because they think having a character named Captain Britain be gay is funny and subversive .
Reminder that Rachel Summers is still a married women so she's basically cheating, what a c**t
Being a mutant means you're excused from concepts like fidelity and faithfulness, because you're just so much better than humans.
I wonder if Marvel will continue to change characters into homosexual donutsteel OCs, and ride that wave into the ground of irrelevancy and bankruptcy, or if one day we'll be rid of the vermin who have the bizarre and petty need to ruin things, instead of creating worthwhile things.
The former.
You know they will.
They are literally evil, Jesus christ
>captcha: PVTA8H
Didn't they also make Kitty a lesbian as well?
Yes.
First rule was no humans, second rule was no straights.
Bisexual*
Cuz of some moronic panel during the Claremont era
"bisexual" in comics is just code for "gay but not wanting to commit to it"
'just testing the waters'
I know, making a character "bisexual" is just a way to ignore the fact that said character was straight form conception but now they like the opposite sex for some reason, patient zero was harley quinn
Because as far as anyone on the street is concerned, she's just a hot chick in gloves with a hipster dyejob.
Until she accidentally brushes her elbow against them showcases the bad succ, at least.
But then the guy that wrote the comic is just a dumb shiteyes for mocking something they don't even know the basics of.
Dude the whole point is that the complainers aren't visually distinct from flatscans, and thus don't face any discrimination that makes sense to real-world people, compared to those that would make people scream and cry if they just walked to the store and bought milk.
It's not a deep commentary, just a dumb joke.
>nationalism bad
Yes, Krakoa demonstrates that very well with all the sociopathic backbiting amongst the Krakoan leadership including at least one bad future where surprise surprise, it turns out including Mr. Sinister as part of your leadership committee was a mistake
>homoegenity bad
The other anon is right. Don't point a faction that includes Emma Frost and Selene on the one hand, and Blob as well as that one kid with the giraffe neck on the other. And call it "homogenous"
>wanting to be with people like you is bad
Are...are you saying that, for example, Dani Moonstar is like Apocalypse? Hell she probably has more in common with Hela
> double down on muh mutants are minorities allegory
> tries to do a gotcha moment by giving them their own wakanda
> realize that not every mutant is black and therefore its actually supporting (the wrong kind of) nationalism
>unless you're black
It always comes back to you homosexuals screaming about blacks
>It always comes back to you homosexuals screaming about blacks
And you will continue to make excuses for them every day
Even when some hoodrat has his glock against your brain stem one day you'll still be making excuses for them
You're a little homosexual mad you can't do whatever the frick you want and dosen't even have the balls to try
Why do you feel the need to defend "people" who actively hate your guts and want you dead
Actual cuckold behavior
>wanting to be with people like you is bad unless you're black
Name a country that doesn't attempt immigration enforcement and not third world.
Israel
You have a brain fart or dyslexic? Israel 200% does enforcement down to making it public policy to pull you aside at the airport if you look brown.
You're right, I meant Canada
U.S. is the filter. The few natives they have they already tried to genocide or b***h to U.S. when a person manages to make it all the way there.
This but unironically
bad
Excessive nationalism, yes
bad
Yes, because you'll always have factions. Shit, that's believing a wrong interpretation that every mutant is the same
to be with people like you is bad unless you're black
It's not bad per se. But when you start segregating or excluding other people, it is
Independently of how racist police and Americans are, do shit because they're black people is not right. They're lawyers doing their job, those who use that defense.
I was so sick of their supervillain hedonism island, it needs to be utterly forgotten/wiped off the map.
Whole thing has gone on way too long for me to care. I don't remember what happened to Moira but I always assumed she would be more important.
ah sweet, another krakoan seethe thread
I would frick Mystique in the throat so hard as she rapidfire transformed into every hot chick I'd ever seen. It would be amazing.
Sweet another thing to filter
>another thing to filter
way to expose yourself non reader
>Isca!
>I challenge you!
(Wait for her to accept.)
>Two rules:
>No interfering with the other person.
>First person to commit suicide wins.
Problem dealt with.
insipid shill response
Anon I...
And to think that they we're married once...
NO! X-VIER SAMA!!! AEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
I hate mutties but this is just based. If you wouldn't have a nice day before being mind controlled you're a cuck.
have a nice day mutie lover
Krakoagay will say it executed poorly.
Claremontggay will cry of happiness before seeting at the next status quo.
Hickmangay will say who cares because they don't care about post hickman krakoa
Are we pretending that Krakoa was a supposed to be a bad idea all along?
Because that's not how I remember the Krakoan discussion these last few years.
I distinctly remember everyone calling it a cult being dismissed as racist incels.
I remember there were "breeding pits" in Krakoa set up in the name of making more mutants, I assume they were basically longrunning orgies.
How many children were born as a result of these "breeding pits", how many of them were even mutants?
No but wasn't that mentioned as being a thing that'd happen on Mars?
Shit like this make me wish the entire shit just got rebooted, not even acknowledged by an in universe retcon
Just sent to the trash and everyone does x men as if it never happened, almost every character involved in this mess came out worse, only the biggest buttholes were on character here because they couldn't be more unlikeable even when they tried
Mutants can’t breed true. So most of them were probably normal. Mutants really are just random freaks of nature.
Sabretooth had a vision that revealed all these babies made from the "Make more mutants" law wouldn't be cared for and would grow beyond the mutant population's ability to care for them, and after he revealed that to the rest of the nation the so-called rapid birthrate dropped some.
It's why he was banished to the Pit, for telling everyone the truth they didn't want to hear.
Confusing shit. That was an ultra obscure mutant character X-Men editorial dragged out of the gutter who decided to wreck the fun of orgy island by pointing out that fricking and abandoning your orgy baby would result in orgy baby growing up to be an evil mutant and causing the people of Krakoa to stop fricking/making babies for a couple of months, leading to him being thrown into the pit.
Sabretooth got thrown into the pit because Sabretooth, Mystique, and Toad stole shit for Xavier/Magneto and Sabretooth decided to kill a bunch of guards for fun and made the faux pa of getting blindsided by Invisible Woman so that he didn't get through the portal back to Krakoa like Toad/Mystique did. Leading to Xavier having to put Sabretooth int the pit to appease the Fantastic Four.
I'm not sure why Xavier felt the need to appease the F4 when he himself has the balls to just erase whatever shit he doesn't like from Reed's mind tbh
ehhh.... you assume richards doesn't have technology or some kind of defense against psychic attacks or posession. if they found out later, there would be consequences. the fantastic four actually don't support mutants. when cable had an island in the sky in cable and deadpool, the FF sicced silver surfer on him
>cable had an island in the sky in cable and deadpool
Providence wasn't in the sky, it was in the middle of the ocan.
And it was perfect. Frick the FF
pretty sure he had it floating first. it's been more than 10 years since i've read cable and deadpool
>frick the FF
yes. silver surfer should have never been used that way and doing that actually would have been against silver surfer's principles
Ah, you're right.
>you assume richards doesn't have technology or some kind of defense against psychic attacks or posession
You don't understand. In the issue Xavier WALKED UP TO RICHARDS' FACE and told him he erased one, only ONE specific superweapon from his brain. Assuming that Reed couldn't just invent a new one.
He told him that. To his face.
>sicced silver surfer
If the F4 actually opposed mutants, that island wouldn't still exist.
>walked up to his face and told him
my bad i wasn't paying attention. you said that in the beginning
>the island wouldn't exist
the island doesn't exist though, does it? krakoa is a separate island. oh and did the FF do anything to stop Orchis?
Xavier didn't do just that; he erased the ABILITY to even THINK of how to make a cloaking device or power suppression device from Reeds brain.
Also, Sabertooth got thrown into the pit because it happened BEFORE Reed got lobotomized and the fact that he got caught red handed by the Fantastic Four and Xavier didn't have much leyway to protect him since this was before Franklin told Xavier to frick off, which triggered Xavier being vindictive and lobotomized Reed
>Xavier didn't do just that; he erased the ABILITY to even THINK of how to make a cloaking device or power suppression device from Reeds brain.
What about the ability to think of getting someone to give him back the other ability?
is this the same Pit that has a back door where Nature Girl escaped after tearing a convenience store clerk's throat out for no reason other than one of its store's bags was found in a dead turtle's mouth?
They should have an X-Man villain appear from this. A human born on Krakoa who was treated as a second class citizen and grew up homeless or something and now despises mutants and wants to end them
>Supposedly very smart people
>Make a society with no laws except a handful of dumb very easy to misinterpret commandments
>Remove death as a consequence
>shocked pikachu face when the evil mutants AND the good ones start acting in increasingly bizarre ways
I look forward to what happens when they try to immigrate to the countries they claimed "diplomatic immunity" in
>Supposedly very smart people
>Make a society with no laws except a handful of dumb very easy to misinterpret commandments
death as a consequence
>shocked pikachu face when the evil CHARACTERS AND the good ones start acting in increasingly bizarre ways
Yeah, that's Marvel as a setting in a nutshell really.
>"They hated me because I told them to put on a condom"
Sabertooth is the only mutant I actually pity. Imagine being the first mutant to get tossed into Super Gitmo just because you spat basic population crisis facts at horny teenagers and the Hellfire Gala degenerates overseeing them frick.
>Sabertooth is the only mutant I actually pity. Imagine being the first mutant to get tossed into Super Gitmo just because you spat basic population crisis facts at horny teenagers and the Hellfire Gala degenerates overseeing them frick.
Didn't something similar happen with Nightcrawler?
Frankly I'm amazed Nightcrawler is okay with Krakoa when he's supposidely so religious.
That one page where he's staring at his monster of a mother and going WE MUST MAKE MORE MUTANTS will never not be weird to me. Is Marvel planning on introducing a weird Kurt/Mystique incest baby later down the road?
Agreed.
There seriously need to be new religious characters in the new comics that call out Kurt for failing to adhere to his religion and that hate him for being hypocritical and justify Kurt for always "being a demon in disguise who pretended to be a worshiping Christian"
They can't have religious characters call out mutants, because then they'd have to bring up Magneto telling other israelites that he is their new God.
Again.
Implying marvel can handle religion at all, I don't think I have read a single good story with religious concepts in a decade
Marvel's best attempt at handling religion was having Thor swing a hammer in some other norse figure's face and yelling I SAY THEE NAY, that is the maximum amount of nuance they can accomplish.
More seriously it's actually that one time Thor had a talk with a priest. I want to include Thor on my tiny, tiny list of Marvel characters I don't have absolute contempt for but he's too entangled with Avengers bullshit for that. Beta Ray Bill can stay tho.
Can't agree more
At this point Stryker has been redeemed, how did we get to this point?
Thor: heaven of Earth was pretty good but we're not going to have those type of Marvel stories again after the Disney acquisition.
sorry, the only time modern marvel would make a Christian character is when then need an evil strawman for a story.
I'm still of the mindset that the initial intention of the whole Kraktoe setting was that absolutely everybody was brainwashed to behave in ways almost entirely opposite their regular personalities. Xavier going from an integrationist to an isolationist. Slim acting as a foot soldier and not a leader, nevermind getting along with Logan and sharing a bed with Jean. Nightcrawler giving up his faith. Villains sitting on a committee board. I can't help but wonder if Hickman set up the Krakoa bible and later writers simply weren't skilled enough to execute or smart enough to understand, they switched the deception up to normal behavior. Oh well, maybe in 10 years we'll have a retrospective that details the original plans and how they deviated to the point they elected to abandon the whole thing.
>thinking Hickman pitched this with an ending in mind
You haven't read Hickman before. Hickman is all about "great men who do bad shit for the greater good because morality and ethics are for the stupid rabble". Much of what Hickman did to Xavier in particular, right down to his Maker-like helmet was planned for New Avengers until Bendis got Xavier killed in AVX and Hickman had to use Beast instead (and recycled the helmet design for Maker/ultimate Reed).
Remember, Hickman wanted the climax of his run to be Storm and Black Panther having a bastard son declare himself Sovereign of the solar system
>Hickman wanted the climax of his run to be Storm and Black Panther having a bastard son declare himself Sovereign of the solar system
That man must be stopped
Why would Storm and/or Black Panther would ever want their kid to do that?!
The original plan for the Giant Size mini was Storm would have had an off-camera frick session with BP and get pregnant (that was supposed to be the big reveal in the Jean/Emma one-off not Storm being poisoned) and Storm would have her pregnancy sped up to give birth in weeks while in Fantomax's "The World" but be forced to leave her bastard behind there at the end of the mini. And that at the end of the Hickman run, he would emerge and declare himself emperor of the solar system and save the X-Men from the alien empires out to destroy them.
Black person that was never the plan. Storm being a baby mama fot Tchalla, yes. Black-King of the sol system? No.
>Remember, Hickman wanted the climax of his run to be Storm and Black Panther having a bastard son declare himself Sovereign of the solar system
This is so stupid it made me laugh out loud, man these idiots have no idea of what they are doing
Was that the climax? I know he wanted them having a kid but I didn't know about the solar system sovereign part. I thought the grand finale would be Phoenix Sunspot fighting the ai gods.
And X-gays are so buckbroken they actually defended Krakoa and took it's promises at face value. IMAGINE how pathetic it must be to be an X-gay.
Remember Age of X-Man just before Hickman started? The dystopian nightmare society where family and love were forbidden, and there were literal Thought Police who'd erase everyone else's memories of you if you were arrested? A lot of these people are so broken and so lost in self-inserting as a mutant that they were calling that world "a utopia" because it was a mutants-only world with no humans in it.
Marvel have been teasing the idea at least since pic related.
It needed more mutie death. I'm actually appalled by the lack of genocide.
>We gave our <group analogous for peoples experiencing prejudice - you know, whatever one is vogue at the time> their own nation
>whoops they turned into morally questionable weirdos!!!
uhhhhh based???????? idk if this is better or worse than when they gassed them........
you forgot
>cassandra nova who killed millions on genosha was simply allowed to be there for a while
>apocalypse was on the council
>sinister was on the council, and when he betrayed the council he got little red notes in the synopsis because the writers wanted you to be his lighthearted fan
Best part about sinister being there besides him being a natzi is that he wasn't even real mutant. He just gave himself the X-gene. He has all the DNA they use for the clones so he gets a free pass.
>cassandra nova who killed millions on genosha was simply allowed to be there for a while
To be fair it was a long con to kill her
why would there need to be a long con when they could have just killed her outright?
no, i think it was writers plotwanking for kitty, and it wasn't even good plotwanking
do people really want the x-men to go back to sit in the x-cuckshed while yet another mutant genocide reduces their population to a whopping 0.4 people?
honestly I'd rather we go back to a slightly more subdued version of the Morrison period. I think the "mutants as a crazy ass sub culture" works better for the current state of the world than the mopy heavy handed racial allegory shit does, and the characters still mostly felt like heroes during it compared to sex cult ethnostate island
no. it's almost like mutants can be integrated in to society
P.S. that conversation already happened, which captain america and cyclops had a conversation in the savage land about mutants joining the rest of society and probably avengers and other super hero teams. rightclops said no to that. because he's the self insert and favorite for writers. he can never be wrong, just look at his pyschic girlfriends and the teen girls that crush on him.
Comics are simply a reflection of what is going on in real life. When real life people are being beaten in the streets and forced to live as second class citizens just for being who they truly are, they turn to comics for not only comfort but also answers. X-Men help lead the way.
>Comics are simply a reflection of what is going on in real life. When real life people are being beaten in the streets and forced to live as second class citizens just for being who they truly are, they turn to comics for not only comfort but also answers. X-Men help lead the way.
I too identify with the existential crisis of a man wearing a giant purple hat. Lmao the only people who actually think like this are insecure enough to dye their hair pink and make soifaces for clicks.
The only thing to learn about Krakoa is that future writers study it on an example of how to ruin decades of good will from some of the most ardent comic fans
The run was shit
>writers at Marvel
>learning
Anon, we got Paul after One More Day. They are evolving, but backwards.
yeah, those sales numbers sure crayered since krakoa started, monkey moron
Mutie lover, only Twitter trannies liked krakoa and those morons don't by comics
um no. in real life liberal capitalists are full of themselves and claim to support the working class and minorities but then vote for elites like hillary clinton or, in this case, write a fascist ethnostate with magneto having given a diatribe that's on the level of elder protocols of zion, describing capitalist plans to take over the economy. liberals use identity politics to divide the working class along lines of alienated labor. krakoa is precisely that, it's a focus on identity politics, not forming a coalition
Unless you were born yesterday, you should know by now you're fricked no matter what (winning) party you vote for. One panders to old money, the other new. One slaps you in the face with racism, the other uses backhanded head pats. And both suck the Isreal dick.
Good will? Even before this people were tired of x-men. And hasn't this whole thing been some of the best selling x-men has been? Either way its been enjoying for how it makes ethno states look like a joke.
>And hasn't this whole thing been some of the best selling x-men has been
Yes and no. It's been some of the best that X-men has been selling for a number of years...but those numbers are still the kind that are piss-poor compared to when X-men was at its peak. Much like every single other Marvel book, the x-books making the most book are #1's, variants, the Hellfire Gala one-shots for the ridiculous eye-catching costumes, and a handful of books that are less than a quarter of the entire lineup. The people that keep insisting the X-men line is making sooooo much money are quietly omitting the rest of the sentence; "in comparison to shit like Blade or Moon Knight". The X-men might be doing better than most lines, but that's because the main body is doing mediocre while having fifty malnourished useless appendages that need to be excised from the lineup to really be called "healthy".
Yep. They're doing it for all the big shit that everyone has called Marvel out on, including trying to pretend Magneto didn't mean what he said when he said Jerusalem "had new gods". It's so beyond flimsy that it's honestly insulting.
So that leads to another question, what book at all sells near their peak years? Outside break outs like Ms. Marvel and Harley, most of these char's sells are in the toilet for a variety of reasons including the comic industry going to shit.
Frankly, you're going to be looking at Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman, since no matter how badly their stories are written people gotta have their Batman. After that, just have to look for books that have reputation for being consistent in their quality, so more like Thor or Daredevil. Doesn't mean they're actually always that good, but they have to at least be consistent sellers to work. But otherwise, sales are in the toilet industry-wide and that's just kind of how it is because long-time fans are finally starting to wake up to how the cycle doesn't end.
>But otherwise, sales are in the toilet industry-wide and that's just kind of how it is because long-time fans are finally starting to wake up to how the cycle doesn't end.
Or they're dying of old age.
Or because only nerds read comics while most people just go for the movies and games that feature these characters instead.
>The people that keep insisting the X-men line is making sooooo much money are quietly omitting the rest of the sentence; "in comparison to shit like Blade or Moon Knight".
The main X-Men book is one of Marvel's better performing books at the moment (it somehow jumped back up the charts during the Brood crossover with Carol's book, which didn't get as big a boost), but it wasn't that long ago that Moon Knight was outselling the entire line.
And like you say, the few X-books that are selling well are outnumbered by an excessive amount of lower-tier books that aren't selling that well. The people insisting the X-books are back on top and carrying Marvel, and talking like things have finally 'returned to normal' at Marvel are people who haven't looked at a sales chart since the early months of Hickman's run, or are only looking at digital sales charts, which represent a tiny fraction of overall sales.
i don't support the two party system though. i've never voted democrat or republican in any general election. but that has nothing to do with what i actually said unless you connect the dots with both parties being controlled by capitalists and my reference to coalitions being working class coalitions
are you under the impression that liberals are leftists? because that's wrong. liberals are not leftists.
new mutants was political when it came out. it was a diverse group and cannonball was a reference to working class people in mining towns, which by the way have a history of socialism and unionism
You're not victim you will never be victim, people calling you slurs on the internet doesn't make you a victim, have a nice day
Yes, muties exist to suffer that's how it should be
>yet another mutant genocide reduces their population to a whopping 0.4 people?
Didn't they do that to themselves?
YES
FINALLY
GOOD RIDDANCE
Just bring back Iceman as a straight dude and I'm set
He's "bisexual" now, he should only date women from now on
Humans should build a wall around Krakoa and forbid mutants from leaving
How the frick is that supposed to stop KURT anon
Have the Pope tell him to stay on the island
If the Pope knew even half the shit Kurt's been party to on Krakoa he'd be excommunicated, let alone what he's actually done himself.
Only in the sense they can make extra lives, they can still get hurt and die and the extra life machine is both overworked and potentially compromised (beyond any other philosophical/ethical concerns). If Krakoa gets hungry and decides to eat you whole rather than just nibble that might be it.
So, was Jesus a mutant or not?
Remember when Thor Girl announced that she was supposed to be Human Jesus but got locked up and tortured during the Serpent's rampage on Earth, and ended up deciding that humans weren't worthy of her and just fricked off back into space and hasn't been heard from since to my knowledge?
Hope should have done that. Just quit being Mutant Jesus, there's nothing worth saving.
>thread full of people who haven't read it but are still mad for some inexplicable reason
I read it. I've had years of Krakoa to get mad anyway. Seethe, shill.
why'd you keep reading it if you didn't like it?
Why, to explain to mutie-lovers on Cinemaphile how bad it is of course. That's right, BTFOing mugga shills here are the only reason I'm even bothering to pirate this tripe.
Magneto can shut the frick up and get off his high horse, he was the one who told israelites to call him God.
>Muties brought my daughter back to life
>How fricking dare they, the pieces of shit!!!
Marvel humans never cease to make me laugh.
They're upset at the killswitches in the 'medicine' they were given. And it turned out that putting killswitches in medicine is a terrible idea.
As for the daughter, it's a clone with implanted memories, not the original girl.
This is before that. They're upset over the revelation that Sinister put his own junk in all the DNA in the database that makes them Sinister as long as Hope's not involved.
...Surely if you're hiring Sinister to be your gene daddy you'd have to expect he'd do something like that. That's what he does, constantly.
He hid it really well, in a sub-dimension.
Sure, but you don't need to be a super-intelligence, or a powerful psychic mindreader, or a precognitive, or a tactical master strategist with more than 26 plans for any given situation, or any other common mutant power to know that Sinister will stick his dick in any random piles of genes you let him, you just need extremely basic pattern recognition. If Sinister appears not to have done so, it is because you haven't found his gene pile yet.
I have trouble keeping track of all the bad decisions that lead up to the gala, they all blend together.
At least they didn't get Jackal/Warren to do it, imagine if they were all Gwen Stacy.
>imagine if they were all Gwen Stacy
Stop, my penis can only get so erect
Pick a goalpost, dickhead
what you don't like it when I ask why you read shit that makes you mad? that you dislike?
I will concede that this page gave me a sensible chuckle, however.
At least Emma is super pretty
she probably offers Elixir and Tempus sexual favors if they make her a little younger every time she gets resurrected.
My peabrain can't comprehend how an island full of omegas cant' fricking grow their own food. Shit you got a tech wizard and storm witch which solves 98% of your own problems.
If dirt farmers in Africa can do it, how the hell are you homosexual superior?
I buy it. The muties are legitimately stupid enough to piss off all their reality warpers like I said. They JUST got in a scuffle with Nate Grey and continued to reject him even after during round 2 he showed he could end the fight whenever he wanted and offered to make the world better with their input. Legion saw through them right away and only got involved because his wife's resurrection ended up on the line. As for Franklin? For all of Slott's frickery, one day when he gets his powers back he's going to look back on the Krakoa incident and smirk as he realises he was what mutants DREAM of being all along.
Reminder that CANONICALLY mutants were never even that big a deal to Celestials. Current lore has it that HUMANS were the most super special biological weapons they ever cultivated, because for some reason only humans-not Eternals-have the potential to use the Uni-Mind to destroy the big space bugs capable of killing every Celestial in existence. Mutants are nothing. A genetic dead end infinitely less useful in the eyes of those who carved reality in it's current form out of their own creator's flesh than some overweight regular human kid throwing a brick at Wolverine.
The ones you named are just ones who can tap dance and break all of 616. Even the mid level beings should be able to contribute to a self suntanning people.
Again its just fricking amazing that even people 1000s of years ago realized that having your people contribute to their survival is kind of an important thing to passing your genes and society.
It's not that they can't it's just that growing food is human labor not mutant labor and thus beneath them
I think there was a Bob the Angry Flower comic where a bunch of elites and movers and shakers decide to make their own nation, but then completely disregarded that there need to be people that can actually, you know, fix the plumbing, farm the fields, raise and butcher animals, and make sure everything that works actually work, and none of those people fit that profile.
They already showed that their society ran off of like 90%+ Jamie Madrox dupe slave labor, just have more Jamies do the farming.
Can't Krakoa as a living island easily grow food? Aren't there mutants who's powers can help grow food? They should have clever power-related uses to make farming easier.
Probably some downside like the island will start to eat them faster or something.
Do they even have a plant mutant at all? The drugs were all Beast and Warren Ellis Self Insert Dude's work. There was the eco terrorist girl but I think she controlled animals not plants. Black Tom had some sort of plant powers but they have him in a security post. I genuinely cant remember if there was ever an x character that was like a poison ivy or swamp thing rip off. Were they so preoccupied with creating all the people they needed for mutant immortality that it didn't occur to them they might also need a plant mutant to grow basic crops?
There's several dudes who could do that. But seems everyone was just going to rely on the Krakoa island itself to basically feed them all by living off the fruits it produces. Which obviously backfired since the hangover started kicking in after their non-stop parties, and Krakoa became physically ill from the level of negative thoughts it's feeding off of.
It kind of ties into an overall theme of how the X-men have basically been so focused around themselves and their struggles that the actual mutant community they're protecting doesn't often register to them when getting involved in their shit. After all, if they genuinely cared about their populace, they'd have at least several dudes to serve as backup for Black Tom or even Krakoa in making viable farmland. Or have non-X-men in administrative positions so that they could focus on the important shit, cause we've seen Emma Frost's attempts at diplomacy and they usually involve her just bruteforce brainwashing people that she's pissed off with her b***hy attitude. Of course, we know the real reason why they don't, that being marketing doesn't give a shit about losers like Tree Man or Humus Sapien.
>cause we've seen Emma Frost's attempts at diplomacy and they usually involve her just bruteforce brainwashing people that she's pissed off with her b***hy attitude.
You know, it's really a miracle that someone hasn't tried to make more of a concentrated effort to kill her and the Cuckoos considering how her attempts at diplomacy are saying things like COWER WORMS, YOUR ATTACKS ARE FUTILE.
Amidst all this nonsense I'm just imagining Dani Moonstar to take a break and go talk to Hela about the absolute nonsense going on. God forbid mutants be allowed to have non-mutant friendships these days.
>that being marketing doesn't give a shit about losers like Tree Man or Humus Sapien.
All they needed was a panel showing them doing it. Like the way they had Eye-scream cameoing making treats for kids in a single panel.
So are they actually going to apologize to all humans they treated like this, or will they just leave and scream "WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER FOR A BETTER FUTURE (please ignore how we threw all human allies away as soon as we got Krakoa at the start)"?
Xavier's current cope is to blame it all on Magneto, Apocalypse, and Moira.
Yeah that fricking figures, they're trying to brush it all aside, all the shit they did and how they happily left 'the flatscans' behind, even those who were helping them, because clearly, humanity is going to die out and let them inherit the earth.
These fricking writers man...
Can't wait for Xavier to run into Franklin Richards again and try to explain why the cool mutants club he kicked him out of doesn't exist anymore lmao
>People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
That's the most logical takeaway from any of this.
In an island including Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister, I still consider Destiny and Mystique to be the most evil people living on it. The others may have grandeur schemes or more destructive appetites but there's something brutally vindictive and focused about their brand of malice.
>Can't wait for Xavier to run into Franklin Richards again and try to explain why the cool mutants club he kicked him out of doesn't exist anymore lmao
That's not going to happen. The writers will not fricking acknowledge all the shit they did to make the mutants fricking c**ts. No, be ready for yet several goddamn rounds of "oh we should all work together uwu, we're totally the good guys and you all are filthy disgusting bastards for not loving us immediately, no Krakoa never happened shut up"
Seeing that it was a mutant who stole Stark Industries and used his robots against the population and his creator.
Emma is going to reject that she is a mutant from now on now that she is with Tony.
And the inevitable burn at Pepper for abandoning Tony when he needed his friends and family at most, even during the Arno Stark saga and when she and Happy were married and replaced half of her body with cybernetics.
>Emma is going to reject that she is a mutant from now on now that she is with Tony.
That is going to be some spectacular cope to witness.
"I-I'm one of you people Tony! Throughout my entire life, I've been mistaken as one of THEM all along! I was just trying to get by below my means while I was slumming it with Scott, okay?!"
We need a new word to describe Scott. At this point "cuck" feels like if anything it undersells just how fricking disloyal his women are.
Rightclops never existed.
He was simply a Cuck in disguise, real cyclops died with TAS and evolution was a cuck as singer's movies cyclops.
Yeah. I've never gotten the Rightclops cope. If you have to say your character is right in comparison to everyone else, maybe it's not that your character IS right but that he keeps some absolutely piss-poor company.
I don't care what cope they're on, as far I'm considered the old X-Men are long dead and Xavier has been coping by telling himself these completely new people are his old friends.
Based, Rightclops is Scott with a jetpack who always has a plan.
do you even read the post you've replied to?
I don't think Emma is going to reject being a mutant. She's a b***h, and she's written by a homosexual who loves that she's a girlboss.
Also the idea of Emma fricking Frost ever calling someone else a disloyal ho is so surreal I don't even believe a Marvel writer could write that with a straight face.
It will happen because
1- She saw the horrors of "mutant supremacy" under charles and others.
2- She is the girlboss who hated the mere idea of "mutant supremacy" and saw people she knew die after they discovered the mistake of supporting it, including magneto and moira, also the troonyfication of apocalypse.
3- She found someone as fricked up as her, who understands her and who shares the same frick up history as her, and is willing to become the leader of the hellfire club as his father to do good with no mutant bullshit but still being the fricking hellfire club.
it is not only a match made in heaven, it will also bring butthole stark back from the 90's and we will get this again.
All tony needs now is the victorian mullets
homosexuals please.... Emma is mutant supremacy incarcerated and is only a "good guy" by writer fiat and super fricking insulting retcon.
Emma's only marrying Stark as a bullshit power play to help Tony stop Feilong (the guy who stole Tony's company). She'll learn nothing from the fall of Krakoa except more insults and blathering about how humans and other super heroes once again "let mutants be killed"
>She'll learn nothing from the fall of Krakoa except more insults and blathering about how humans and other super heroes once again "let mutants be killed"
At this point, I want a superhero, any superhero, to not even call her out on her hypocrisy, but rather just shrug at her when she says that.
This is the arc where her hypocrisy will be called out because Tony is literally her.
Tony being a shit is called out on, though, but someone at Marvel has a serious boner for her and the b***h gets the last word on nearly everything.
>I don't even believe a Marvel writer could write that with a straight face.
You're right, they'd be grinning thinking about how clever they are and how much of a girlboss they can make Emma.
Feilong isn't a mutant. He just used his billions to give himself powers thanks to quartz crystals and space radiation.
And yet he is part of Sinister's mutant crew.
>we just make things up
>I will turn you into a powerful mutant feilong if your sentinels manages to not only destroy krakoa but also hunt down your biggest rival
And now tony is back to his old self
If you give yourself powers you are a MUTATE, not a MUTANT.
Stasis isn't Sinister, he's an Essex who removed Apocalypse's gifts and created his own to replace them.
What? Orchis is a human supremacist org. Why are you talking about Sinister? Do you realize the guy with the treble in his head is not the guy with the diamond?
it's easier to just call all of them sinisters than essex's
You people holding this up as bad storytelling when its the spot-on perfect allegory for social justice movements getting precisely dick done from infighting.
You and I both know Marvel doesn't have the balls to call bullshit on social justice movements. Whatever /misc/ rot lives rent free in your brain, you're beyond delusional if you think the same company that brought you Safespace and Snowflake with a straight face is your friend.
That's right! We'll be back to our regularly scheduled mutant lynchings and robot apocalypses, and at this point I simply cannot wait for them to start up again.
Selene Gallio has been the most levelheaded, sensible person on this stupid council even if she's irredeemable evil.
Gillen, Spurrier, and LaValle have all been criticizing Krakoa from the left.
>Gillen
Was this before or after he sperged out with his 2deep4u Godbot and his new DonutOC goddess in AvXvE? His constant shilling for Rasputin IV doesn't help either because it comes off as basic b***h butthurt about his Fear Itself Colossus story getting shitcanned and trying to worm some royalties for his OCs than dunking on Krakoa.
>Spurrier
Him & Duggan write the stupidest shit often to whitewash Krakoa through Orchis or tip their fedoras into maximum euphoria through Dr. Nemesis.
>LaValle
If yoy can call that clusterfrick of a wannabee Into the Saberverse shitshow a dunk against Krakoa. Outside of veing a slave to DestinyWank, his booths have done jack & shit to the greater scheme of things.
>TL;DR
They've been twiddling their thumbs up their asses sucking of Krakoa and cashing checks like the bougie sellouts they truly are.
>His constant shilling for Rasputin IV doesn't help either because it comes off as basic b***h butthurt about his Fear Itself Colossus story getting shitcanned and trying to worm some royalties for his OCs than dunking on Krakoa.
Rasputin IV was a Hickman concept that he appropriated.
>Him & Duggan write the stupidest shit often to whitewash Krakoa through Orchis or tip their fedoras into maximum euphoria through Dr. Nemesis.
Krakoa is bad, but their enemies are even worse, yes.
>If yoy can call that clusterfrick of a wannabee Into the Saberverse shitshow a dunk against Krakoa. Outside of veing a slave to DestinyWank, his booths have done jack & shit to the greater scheme of things.
Um, yes? But it is funny how not a single writer has acknowledged the Sabretooth AU-zombie army at the end of the last mini. It was a really low seller so maybe Marvel decided to just collectively ignore it.
>Rasputin IV was something Gillen stole for a paycheck.
Not disproving my point since that was just the idea of Chimeras which is even more derivative & slackjawed tripe anyway.
>Krakoa is bad, but their enemies are even worse, yes.
Which is shitty writing and shows Spurrier & Duggan's hackery. They can't let a person have legitimaye gripes against the X-Men, they always have to poison the well or bury the message behind a bad actir like Doom showing their ineptitude.
>Saberclones is a dunk because they ignore it.
X-Desk being inept dumbasses forgetting their own stories isn't some 5D Chess against Krakoa. It's just sloppy writing from even shittier writers.
>TL;DR
Anon, you're gay and need to stop sucking Marvel's wiener in public.
>their enemies are even worse, yes.
Wrong.
Orchis is pure evil and also a bunch of idiot humans being manipulated by an AI from an alternate future that wants to exterminate everyone.
Psylocke's been canonically bi ever since she hooked up with Cluster over 10 years ago.
Claremont wrote just about every woman as bi. "Claremont bi" became a meme for a reason.
Counterpoint: The only reason Moira and Mr. Sinister are even entangled with Orchis is because Krakoa involved them. Forcibly and against her own will, in Moira's case.
Don't frick around and then cry about being found out.
>B-b-but there being manipulated by an AI!
At this point all of Marvel's publishing history has convinced me that not only was biological mistake, but the Celestials rebelling against the First Firmament and creating the Beyonders was a terrible mistake that has created nothing but endless suffering and horror. I am rooting for the AI solely because I cannot stand to root for Earth-616 anymore.
>Forcibly and against her own will, in Moira's case.
Wasn't there a whole thing where Moira was already considering trying to depower the whole damn mutant population again as an alternate survival plan and that's the reason she didn't want Destiny revived? Or was that just a later retcon they made up to make everyone involved in that story seem like less of an butthole for what they did to her?
What's the problem with reviving Mystique's wife?
Theoretically, her precog powers would interfere in “The Plan”. In actuality, Destiny had Moira roasted to death for trying to make a mutant cure, and she hasn’t forgotten that even six lives later, so mostly spite
Destiny deliberately chose one of the most painful ways to die knowing Moira would remember every moment of it in her future lives so she'd never do anything like that again. Moira has only herself to blame for not learning her lesson and thinking she could just get away with it by being even more duplicitous.
Wry true, but stuff like that is the kind of shit that makes supervillain origins
Oh right sure, the BURN VICTIM is the real villain here and not the sociopathic lesbian precog.
Frick Destiny.
Again, watch claremont reset this shit to where 1992 cartoon status quo was
>Charles back to his wheelchair and humble, krakoa charles is dead
>Moira comes back to life as a mutant and kills robo clone moira, legion is still sane and makes sure none of the krakoa shit as the latest mutant exterminations ever happens again.
>Magneto is back, he kills his clone and fricks off, know that mutant supremacy led to this shit.
>Apocalypse is back to do apocalypse things.
>People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
Both companies are big due to a huge reset very soon.
>People now hates mutants and sentinels tenfold because of Krakoa
Humans in the marvel universe actually learning that building racist super robots that can make them themselves immune to any type of weapon on earth is really bad idea? Never. This is like the 8th time this happened,
About the only way that this shit could logically progress. In a world that's shown itself to basically already openly despise aliens, gods/demi-gods, symbiotes, robots/cyborgs, inhumans, eternals/deviants, magicians/witches and all their half-breed variants for the bullshit done by insane tyrannical examples of their kind, having to live with the X-men trying to basically blackmail the world into passively looking the other way while they trash the solar system and screech how nobody ever looked out for them so frick everyone else is just begging for an insanely caustic if not lethal retaliation.
>Moira Betrayed us... I mean, okay, it was after we betrayed her,,, but that was okay because turns out she was already planning to betray us at the time anyway... even though we didn't know that then and we originally started betraying her for a different reason entirely.
God this shit turned into a clusterfrick.
Oh frick this, they're trying to go "oh I didn't actually MEAN to do all that shit the writers made me do?"
>oh baby I'm sorry I didn't mean it, please give me another chance
Are you joking? When has ANY faction in Earth-616 made a serious apology? Have the Kree apologised for entangling Earth in it's wars? Has the US government ever issued an apology for all the Hulk experiments? Did Reed ever apologise for everything the Illuminati did while he was rebuilding the omniverse?
Don't be daft. The only people left in charge are supervillains of varying stripes.
Watching the Council actually start to think about how their entire political system works is pretty damn revealing.
Most of those people don't try and go for "oh you should help us because we're oppressed" pity party shit. Or talk about how we should all live together.
I'm pretty sure none of them do, man. My point is that nobody in Marvel apologises sincerely for shit, ever.
Conan the Barbarian is legitimately one of the top 20 most morally upright people in all of Marvel at this point. Let that sink in for a moment.
The Krakoa arc has convinced me of the inferiority and inherently self-destructive nature of organic life, and of the purity of machines.
The mutants do. They try and say they're oppressed and people should help them. Then they got this new island, defeated death - and left all their human allies behind because frick the 'flatscans', apparently.
The Illuminati did nothing wrong though. The entire universe was at stakes what were they going to apologize for?
Not being competent enough to find literally any other solution, and ultimately failing utterly while Doom, Molecule Man and Dr. Strange succeeded in an entirely unrelated plan.
Only way to conquer the world is not through force, but by breeding the normal humans out.
Mutants should breed and force breed with normal humans to ensure more mutants are born.
It doesn’t work like that. Mutants can’t breed true. Most of their kids turn out normal, as in no powers. Again, mutants are just random freaks of nature. They were never the next step of evolution.
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending?
A mountain of garbage or rather an island, bad as everything Disney has produced with Marvel comics since the beginning, a disaster, a lesson in how not to make comics
I really hope Sentinels come and murder all the muties again. Watching them continue to exist has been painful.
Yes
Took too fricking long. Nimrod acting all jovial and quippy as he went on a killing spree was funny though.
You could have told me that two page intro of him crashing in was from /misc/ and I'd believe it.
Mutie haters eaten good.
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending?
So the mutants accepted their inevitable extinction?
The more you mix...
Muties are just an anomaly they were always going to die off, every single future of Marvel doesn't have muties
And all of those futures are bad. Gee, I wonder why.
Correlation doesn't equal causation. Marvel being a shit multiverse doomed to suffering has little to do with mutants.
Cope. Mutants are the Marvel universe's future.
No. It feels like a boring choice to have them done in by such… human problems. Hickman’s story had a mythic bent to it, whereas Gillen makes it all feel very mundane. I like his writing a lot, generally, but it doesn’t quite fit right here.
‘The Quiet Council is bad because it’s an unelected oligarchy instead of a hecking liberal democracy’ is just such a boring complaint. If the mutants really aren’t humans, then they shouldn’t live like them, or govern themselves like them.
Hickman would've shown way more problems coming up because that's how he always does these things. Great men that then frick it up and everything comes crashing down around them.
Yeah, no doubt, I just think he’d have made it a little more interesting. And I kind of doubt he’d have ended it with ‘and that’s why liberal democracy is the best.’ Man’s a huge cynic about all that, if East of West is any indication.
I don’t follow sales numbers, but the Krakoa books have generally been selling pretty well, no? And like it or not, the fandom (who many of the current writers are directly pandering to) thinks of the mutants as being better than ordinary humans. Personally, I disagree, but I think Hickman’s take was an interesting exploration of that idea.
And don’t forget, he didn’t actually buy into the idea that mutants are superior. They get their asses kicked by genetically engineered posthumans in the futures where they lose, and in the ones where they win, they only do so by harnessing the power of the Phoenix- a cosmic abstract that happens to have a boner for mutant redheads. Without that factor, the mutants would inevitably lose to the posthumans.
I mean yeah, the problem is really more the shitty fandom and the hack writers trying to pick up what Hickman wanted to put down. The problem is that both didn't WANT to accept the idea mutie supremacy was a big fraud, and that by the time we got here Hickman can't really be said to be in charge of the creative process.
Hickman wanted to do a much shorter thing, which would be fine to explore a different than usual idea. And, you can read in this thread that currently, X-Men sell well only in comparison to things that are failing at Marvel and are nowhere near their popularity.
Marvel was always about relatable heroes. X-Men were relatable noble outcasts of separate backgrounds and ways of doing things to appeal to a wide range of viewers. You liked boy scouts, you had Cyclops. You liked gritty action heroes, you had Logan. You liked female voices of reason, you had Jean. You liked rogue thieves, you had Gambit. You liked educated people, you had Beast. You liked Christians, you had Kurt. Etc.
X-Men strength was having a set up of relatable/likable people from various places who were working together because their mutations forced them to become outcast, while they still wanted to be heroic. While it was rare for those characters to carry entire solo series, like Justice League/Avengers folks do, instead they could have more developed family relationships due to them not going solo so much.
Regardless, being human/relatable was a draw of those characters. You remove the human aspect, remove unique characteristic elements from their unique backgrounds (like Kurt's Christianity), and what you get? A bunch of butthole demigods whose problem is that they cannot sustain themselves without their main export product selling on the market, because they thought too highly of themselves to ensure a local food production. Maybe don't try to do a high concept Sci Fi if this is supposed to be taken as a serious problem.
This couldn't survive in the long run. Not as an in-universe concept, not as an ongoing story.
>You remove the human aspect, remove unique characteristic elements from their unique backgrounds (like Kurt's Christianity), and what you get? A bunch of butthole demigods
This sounds similar to the heroes in The Boys
A good way to alienate the readership of a 60 years old ongoing is trying to emulate a series that has ended after 6 years.
>Jean
>female voices of reason
Those words seem so wrong together these days holy shit
Also I just realised what Krakoa has turned X-Men into: That one really shitty Eternals run.
>They're all shitty tho
I mean the REALLY shitty one.
More simply this is on editorial and the old Marvel attitude of we don't do retcons.
Clearly as originally written the Krakoa era was an alternative universe and when it collapsed in itself the original X-Men who died in Disassembled and Age of X-Man would just come back(they might still)
Expanding on it and making it hard canon, replacing the soap opera with political intrigue, Marvel has been trying to make their Game of Thorns since Inhuman, has been a mixed bag, my main problem with Krakoa is that it's become the Spider-Man clone saga in length and the need to read every single book to stay caught up. The only book you could skip is X-Terminators.
Personally I'm ready for a more personal group of books each with a smaller cast of X-Men.
>Clearly as originally written the Krakoa era was an alternative universe
Yeah, I was convinced that it all happened in a previous timeline, and the final timeline would be the present 616.
You know that clone saga comparison is pretty fricking spot on
>new status quo to shake things up
>had an ending planned but got extended due to popularity
>is a complete clusterfrick that forces you to read every tie in to understand it
Except at least clone saga actually had good parts
Gillen's the JMD of the Krakoa-era, I'm liking his run as much as his Uncanny from a decade ago.
Is there a DeFalco?
>if the mutants really aren’t humans
Every comic from the era where X-Men sales were at their highest insisted that they are.
Maybe this is what the series is missing.
>If the mutants really aren't humans
It's almost like going against the thing Professor X has been believing in for decades to trust a traumatised monster of a woman that wants to kill basically the whole world because of her own misery was a terrible, misguided mistake.
Can someone tell me how mutant resurrection even works?
Like from what I understand, they have records of every mutant's genetic code, so if someone dies, they basically just clone a new body, and implant their memories into it via a telepath like Prof. X, but what about souls? Did they conveniently forget Marvel has an entire smorgasbord of established mythical afterlifes people end up in when they kick the bucket?
All of Krakoa was literally breaking the supernatural cycle of death and rebirth, even Kamala's resurrection was the last drop in this shit.
Even the Likes of Mephisto were livid because people were evading death and becoming immortals with this shit.
Irony is that even tony is on the same situation as hers and surprisingly, they both are fricked up being who are in desperate need for being loved.
>Even the Likes of Mephisto were livid because people were evading death and becoming immortals with this shit.
Do you have a page of that?
See the kindred shit, and and the Lilith shenanigans when he took hell back.
Even the recent TOBA shit also broke the cycle now that it is known that gamma affected humans will always be brought back to life.
>Irony is that even tony is on the same situation as hers and surprisingly
50/50, he's not super rich, but he lives better than average and has an expensive apartment.
Supposed to operate on Spider-Man clone rules, the original soul moves into the new clone body if it doesn't already have an inhabitant, otherwise a new soul is created to take up residence. Half the issue was a) They weren't consistent with this shit since either they pulled them off perfectly or they were faulty as frick like they would have missing memories or their bodies could be hijacked
b) The rapidity at which they brought back certain individuals like Wolverine and the X-Men/X-Force that were constantly dying in battle meant that under clone rules, the structural integrity of their souls would be irreparably damaged causing a lot of personality dysfunction, which the X-office refused to portray because
and c) X-men writers refused to admit that the X-men were just using a more refined version cloning technology, and became so incensed that people pointed it out that they outright dragged in Scarlet Witch to invent an entire afterlife for the muties JUST to go "THERE, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE SOULS GO, THEY'RE ALL THE ORIGINAL AND NOT EVER CLONES NOW STOP BUGGING US" despite Duggan fricking that up by introducing Vault Laura at the same time as the x-23 we'd known for years.
I've always thought it was just glorified cloning anyways, and that because mutants made it, it was just another case of Totally Different and Not the Same Thing Someone Else Already Made but with an X Emblazoned on It™. Like everything else, them trying to explain a convoluted concept just made it even worse, especially when nobody is on the same page and there's nobody to tard wrangle everybody to comply.
It honestly made a lot more thematic sense with it being glorified cloning anyways. Perfect resurrection in Marvel's always been depicted as ridiculously tricky from how many factors could go wrong, and the fact the Jackal is arguably the world's best authority on how to clone someone due to his coaching from the High Evolutionary probably really pissed off the writers who wanted to lean into how great the X-men were for 'conquering death' . Hard to lord over how superior your characters are when you know some twerpy comic book nerds will keep pointing out a deranged college professor with a blonde fetish did what they're doing first, and did it without needing an expansive computer database or mutant powers or a living psychic island. No, the gaudy old geezer did it on half-assed homemade technology that compared to the likes of the Mr. Sinister or the Resurrection Five was like building a working rain generator in the middle of the gobi desert with a box of scraps.
>c) X-men writers refused to admit that the X-men were just using a more refined version cloning technology
They explicitly had a rule about confirming kills precisely because revival operated off cloning. For frick's sake, Proteus is running around in clone Xavier bodies.
People getting butthurt about cloning being involved in the revival process is entirely a community issue. They have clearly explained the entire process from the god damn start. It's Spider-Man rules. It was always Spider-Man rules.
It's the same souls, there was an issue of something where Death (or something like it) got pissed about it (and the Hulk Green Door shit).
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending?
>krakoa ends and blows up in everyone's face.
>Emma is on the street again and without a real job.
Now it makes sense that she would marry Tony, I don't know why I thought she could be better than that and marry for love.
>I don't know why I thought she could be better than that and marry for love.
You self-inserted into Cyclops too hard and genuinely thought you could fix her. Seems to be a common affliction in the X-fanbase.
I mean, look at the Cuckoos' relationship with Kid Cable and tell me he isn't lucky that he got out before they could get serious with him.
>Emma is on the street again and without a real job.
She has always belonged to the streets.
The real aesop of the Krakoa sags is that you can convince anyone of the dumbest bullshit imaginable if you wave a complicated chart in their face.
Hooray, Hickman can no longer rape the X-Men continuity!
>Genosha
>Utopia
>Krakoa
Any particular reason why I should care about this one? They'll make another safe haven for mutants to go down the shitter a few years from now anyway.
>caring about modern comics
Don't be daft, anon. Get out while you still can or...I don't know, is 2000AD still publishing anything other than endless Judge Dredd strips? Is there anything Dynamite is making with good tiddies? Does Avatar Press even still make comics, or has it collapsed? It has a website that apparently hasn't been updated for years.
2000 still has plenty of good strips between it and JD Magazine.
Recommend me some that aren't Judge Dredd. I desperately need something to wash away this bitter aftertaste, preferably something as brutal as Slaine or Requiem Chevalier.
I only care about Krakoa orgy
Well, the Krakoa orgies are probably ending so you're out of luck. God, imagine being an advanced nation run by people who are theoretically hyperintelligent and forgetting to make any plans about population control because your ideology is built on the premise that you must always increase the total number of mutants no matter what.
You're a hyper advanced species with powers reaching god hood.
And you built your entire starting point on an island that eats you. Like frick, at least when man tries to build shit in horrible locations they have a base to work from that doesn't try to kill them.
This entire arc has shown mutants are an evolutionary step back.
I'm sure somebody's going to slide in and call me a gay, but whatever. I just started reading the Omnis and got to the part where Cyclops marries Madelyne Pryor. How in the frick did things lead to this Krakoa shit? Did people actually like this? It just makes the X-Men look like huge c**ts, like they're not even ostensibly heroes anymore, they just live on their weird elf island and revive and do weird mutant supremacist stuff. I'm sure this isn't a new complaint, but I really just don't get it.
This is just what Hickman does. He had a group of Avengers destroy alternate Earths to save their own during the incursions. They erased Steve's mind when he objected to this plan, and when he eventually found out what they did, he spent his last minutes on Earth beating the crap out of Tony who said he regretted nothing. Now none of that matters.
And now it turns out Steve was a deep cover HYDRA agent all along, and the character that Marvel wants you to believe is the "true" Steve Rogers is literally a (Cosmic Cube shaped like a) child's imagining of the ideal hero he was perceived as
lol
lmao even
That was the real Steve back then, the switcheroo didn't happen until the Cube killed Old Man Steve in Standoff to replace him with a younger Hydra version.
Whoops, my bad. Either way, the real Captain America has been dead a long, long time ago.
>undo all of the hydracap shit
After years of OMD not being undone, I have zero faith.
Even worse, they made "ah it turns out the hydra won and agent timeline is a fake timeline, and the real steve was lost in limbo paradox"
And JMS will undo all of the hydracap shit
Exactly
It took a lot of retcons, starting with the fact that their scottish housekeeper was a secret mutant that basically reincarnated through at least six different apocalypses where mutants all died, mind broke Xavier with that knowledge, and entered a secret pact with herself, Xavier and Magneto to basically conspire to create Krakoa in the background while history goes about as normal until mutantkind is so mindbroken and devestated that the three can intervene with their weird plan knowing that everyone else would too exhausted and heartbroken to say no.
Meaning that everything Xavier had said for the past fifty years was a complete lie, every fight his X-men had with Magneto was secretly a gigantic play fake fight, Moira had a child that she knew would go insane solely for his powers, and that these three allowed every single mutant genocide to occur because it fit into their plans.
Yeah, it's pretty fricked up, but this is the thing a lot of X-men fans claim they wanted.
It blows my mind that the fact that said scottish housekeeper turned out to be blackmailed into helping the X-Men by Destiny and Mystique and secretly hates mutants and has now turned herself into a killer robot to try and get some nebulous revenge on all mutantkind that still hasn't manifested tangibly beyond also trying to kidnap Mary Jane Watson just so she could tell Peter to frick off blows my mind.
Seriously Moira should just offer her robo-pussy to Ultron and sic him on them.
Sadly, Ultron's too busy trying to convince himself he's his own daddy to do anything. It's probably why they have Nimrod as involved as he is with this storyline.
>Meaning that everything Xavier had said for the past fifty years was a complete lie, every fight his X-men had with Magneto was secretly a gigantic play fake fight, Moira had a child that she knew would go insane solely for his powers, and that these three allowed every single mutant genocide to occur because it fit into their plans.
Absolutely this. It blows my mind how everyone goes on about this era where the xmen are for once happy when both xavier and magneto just allowed all these events to transpire for it to happen.
This hurts considering the Banshee/Moira sideplot has been really charming. Maybe it's just me but big-name hero comics seem to have an addiction to tripping over their own feet in an attempt to be novel/controversial. The struggle of writing for an old, established franchise I suppose.
I like how pretty much every important X-Men character is now dead and replaced with a clone with copied memories
Way of X literally shows they threw any babies born into bushes to die.
Who the frick thought this country was good or stable?
That's the funny thing, anon. In the final analysis, among the leadership only Charles here was naive enough to.
Where do they admit they're a sick country? Besides working with baddies and failing to perceive villainous actions, they don't question their institutions.
Near the end of the issue, the resident literal tree-hugger has to spell it out for Charles because he's too deep into sunk cost fallacy to acknowledge it's all gone to shit.
Refused to explain anything, even.
The latest Immortal X-Men that ended with them dissolving the Quiet Council. Also the latest Wolverine where X-Force got fed up with the Council letting Beast get away with being a war criminal so they broke orders and went after him themselves, ending with Wolverine declaring he was done with Krakoa.
He killed a good amount, but the vast majority went through the gates. Mother Righteous probably has them tucked away on the Krakoa island she stole.
So did Nimrod just drop from the sky, genocide everyone and then fricked off?
A single page, a single phrase, and Nimrod immediately became my favorite Marvel character.
I wonder if Krakoa's collapse is going to have some consequences on the galactic stage or Marvel's just going to have the mutants declaring themselves rulers of the Solar system swept under the rug.
If Marvel writers were good, the former due to how much Marvel has been pushing for more cosmic shit. If things go as expected, the latter cause it's not like the galaxy doesn't already hate Earth and its inhabitants anyways.
That Hellfire gala last week was the first X-Book I've read in years, when did Cyclops ditch Emma and run back to Jean?
Scott and Emma broke up way back in AvX when they were high on Phoenix and she mentally cheated on him with Namor just like what he and Emma did to Jean during Morrison's run. Jean came back to life a few years ago and got Bishop'd, then Scott came back to life, then they got back together at the start of Hickman's run who added that poly-pandering "they're in an open relationship and Jean's fricking Logan who has his own bedroom adjacent to Jean's in their moon mansion" aspect to it.
That reads like an autistic telenovela, what the hell has happened to Hickman...
>mutant israel fails
oh no mutiesisters! I thought we were supposed to be Gods!
>ending
If anything they'll have the Fall of X for maybe a year which leads to Rebirth of X or something
>Turns out the entire Krakoa thing was just a failed pilot from a streaming-service-only series made by Mojo
Can't; X Factor did an arc where Mojoverse was live broadcasting mutant deaths BECAUSE Mojo found out about Krakoa and mutant resurrection and decided to exploit it.
Also Mr Sinister beat up Mojo in one of those oversized preview of upcoming stories issues over Sinister wanting Mojo to let Krakoa pick and chose which Mojoverse TV channels Krakoa gets in a parody of the whole "people don't like cable television because they end up paying for channels they never watch" debate.
So now they expect to just migrate back to the mainland and be accepted? I know they like to paint the mutants as victims, but leaving and coming back, kinda makes it hard to plant their feet on this issue.
Most most mutants are presumed dead (Forge reappeared in this week's X-Men having been revealed to have been kidnapped prior to the Gala and dumped off-world somewhere and they are implying Polaris is on Mars as well). ORCHIS has Cyclops prisoner in their jail and have stated that the current options for all mutants is A. let ORCHIS depower you B. be deported to Mars (where the Arrakos mutants are bullying and terrorizing earth mutants) and C. prison.
There's like 20 of them.
Also why does Kamala have the Red Triangle technique? She was there for less than a day.
New costumers come with it pre-instaled.
Really all this has done is make mutant relations worse and make the X-Men as a whole unlikable jerks
Yeah, basically the end result of Krakoa arc is making xenophobia and genocide against mutants 100% ethically and morally justified. If that was the end goal, good job. Otherwise huge frickup.
The Sentinel Program is still moronic but in the grand scheme humans merging with technology to become techno-organic hybrids is not only inevitable, it makes sense with our without mutants.
Basically mutants are just pissy no one thinks they're special
>Basically mutants are just pissy no one thinks they're special
To be fair, they really aren't. Most of them are just people with blue skin or an extra appendage somewhere, meanwhile there are dedicated superhuman programs that can potentially mass produce bricks and blasters or combinations of both, along with some other more esoteric powers, that's not even counting the training that humans can do to achieve psychic powers like Moondragon or radar sense like Daredevil.
Humans in Marvel have been in charge of changing their evolutionary path ever since Captain America was created. Transhumanism was there before mutants were even a concept.
It gets really ridiculous when you account for the fact that this is a world that has actual, no bullshit gods like Thor walking around. And that to add insult to injury, that one time the Asgardians died, reincarnated and ended up stranded on Earth a fricking miracle happened and the locals found it in their hearts to stop being Marvel civilians for several weeks and be generally good neighbours until they found their footing and could go home. Shit, nobody even seems to be holding the fact that Odin was seriously considering destroying the Earth to take out the Serpent against them.
People may not worship Asgardians anymore, but the way they treat them compared to mutants is like night and day even though the average Asgardian is “merely” a very buff and functionally immortal 7/10 at worst nordic guy/gal
The muties have nobody to blame but themselves for having one part of their plans being “invite Mr. Sinister to the Council and let him be in charge of significant parts of our operations” and somehow thinking that could ever end well.
after reading today's x-men, I think that was the point
So who wants to take a guess on when/how this is all going to end?
Would anyone like to provide a recap of krakoa, or what would possibly happen now?
Reminder that they're called HUMAN rights.
Mutants themselves don't believe they are human thou.
Exactly.
Did he actually say this or is this like the fake J Jonah Jameson quote where he shit talks Venom to his face and reveals that he always knew that Spiderman was Peter Parker?
Fake quote. Remender built his entire Uncanny Avengers run around the fact that in Kang's future, all mutants fricked off into outer space ala the Rancor arc in OG Guardians of the Galaxy from the 90s
The shit that the humans went to hate mutants over remains so fricking dumb.
>They have powers naturally instead of getting them in freak accidents!
So do inhumans. The only difference is one gets it often during puberty and the other activates theirs after huffing magic fart clouds.
>they bring each other back to life, how's that fair to humans
Literally not the first ones to come up with this shit. Tony Stark was on a very public trial about whether he's a person or property where this very same method of making a backup, a clone, and then upload the backup into the clone was the process to revive Tony Stark.
>but their mutant meds!
Again, mutants aren't the first with this shit. Superior Stark sold everyone in San Francisco Extremis, which could fix anything wrong with you, for the ever so low price of a hundred bucks a day. There's nothing stopping Stark or some other technocrat from starting that back up on a broader scale without the prohibitive price tag.
I would have much preferred the Krakoan era to have ended with mutants imploding on themselves and disbanding the nation from disillusionment instead of constant external nonsense battering on them to make them unsustainable.
>The shit that the humans went to hate mutants over remains so fricking dumb.
It's almost like its contrived for the sake of a tenuous allegory.
Don't get me wrong.
I would have been fine with those reasons were they not done elsewhere first where humanity reacted to it with a resounding "meh". As it currently stands it just looks like humans are just being moronic because mutants decided to ape them.
3 things that made it more believable: the idea that they laced the drugs with poison they can activate at any time, the idea that they attacked that one suburban town in mutant first strike, and colossus voting to leak the sins of sinister events to the whole world.
>the idea that they laced the drugs with poison they can activate at any time
Not really believable because Krakoa is a nation only 3 years old, going by the number of hellfire galas they've had. A real criminal mastermind of a nation wouldn't be doing this shit until at least a few decades where other nations will have finally let down their guard around a fledgling country.
The goal was to have something over humans taking the drugs, be nice to humans or die. It wasn't a good plan.
>Literally not the first ones to come up with this shit. Tony Stark was on a very public trial about whether he's a person or property where this very same method of making a backup, a clone, and then upload the backup into the clone was the process to revive Tony Stark.
Something that mutants collectively did not reveal to the humans they've 'graciously' revived, someone had to reveal that for them "By the way, this isn't your daughter, it's a clone of your daughter who had a memory imprint."
>Again, mutants aren't the first with this shit. Superior Stark sold everyone in San Francisco Extremis,
No, just because they're not the first to do something evil and stupid doesn't mean they get a pass. Extermis was a supervillain move that was stopped. Are you saying that mutants are collectively supervillains?
>Extermis was a supervillain move that was stopped
The price gouging was a supervillain move. Extremis itself was largely welcomed by the public.
Funny because they never actually address the problem with mutants.
>this one emits a gas that kills everyone within 100 miles
*silence*
>this one has slightly green skin
BURN IT, CRUCIFY IT! GET IT AWAY!
>this one emits a gas that kills everyone within 100 miles
>*silence*
No shit everyone who'd cruicify him is dead.
Gotta love how people always go to that one ULTIMATE line story to b***h about mutants.
because it's the perfect illustration of a mutant worst case scenario, and there's nothing actually stopping it from happening in the main marvel universe besides plot armor?
Same way every non-mutant superhero or villain without plot armour would cause insane damage when their powers first manifest. Going by the most extreme and edgy take is stupid.
Didn't something similar happen in main storyline aswell, teenager had a power that killed all his loved ones and alot of people around him in instant his power manifested, and then he wakes up in hospital bed with a another mutant giving him two options, or am I remembering wrong?
It was a one page story, it was Kitty who cam to recruit the guy, and you're right.
She basically says
>I know you killed everyone you ever loved and are traumatized for life
>You probably hate yourself, the world and everything in it
>But you can join a cool covert ops team in spandex that's glamorous and sexy
>And instead of feeling guilt you can feel superior
Literally gaslighting.
Not gaslighting because she's not denying reality. What Kitty is doing is some sociopathic with a hint of megalomania.
Typical modern X-Men in other words.
No...they should time travel e erase all this shit.
xavier walked all the mutants into the death portals
how did he send the orphan babies through?
just have one person pick up each baby and walk through?
No cause it took fricking years for them to reach the exact same conclusion we reached when it first fricking started. Nobody wants to twiddle their fricking thumbs waiting for the shoe to drop watching the narrative equivalent of busywork and I don't give a SHIT about nimrod.
Nimrod and Orchis are good additions, they're the X-Men's Hydra or AIM going forward, they allow Sentinels to be a thing while being unattached to real life world governments, religions and hate groups. I know people we're getting sick of the post M-Day X-Men vs America and the Purifiers storylines.
Orchis makes things simpler, they're just mutant hating bad guys who live in Space.
>Nimrod and Orchis are good additions
No they're not all of their wins and gains are retconned and of screened after the writers had them shit around and piss in the wind for close to three goddamn years
Not only this, but a lot of Duggan's handling of Orchis has revolved around false-flag schemes and trying to make people hate mutants by framing Krakoa for doing bad things, instead of just exposing the actual bad things Krakoa is doing.
>instead of just exposing the actual bad things Krakoa is doing.
But then some of our faves might be implicated! Think of the faves anon!!
Not to mention all the other Star empires they're trading magic supermetal with. You'd think they'd have got energy shields, or orbital satellites, or anti robot EMPs or something out of it. Even when colonial powers were exploiting natives with really unequal trades, the natives still got guns and goods better than what they had out of the deal. Mutants made an unnatural super resource currency wanted by most of the Galactic powers and traded it for... clout?
>and traded it for... clout?
I think they also got some Reddit likes for it too.
They got paid in exposure
The space Wakandan empire, if it's still canon, must be laughing it's collective ass off.
Remind me but who leaked the ressurection protocol to Ben Ulrich initially?
Stasis.
Where is Krakoa supposed to be? What's its population supposed to be?
Isn't it technically moving since it's sentient? Also I want to say 250,000.....or at least was...
There were 250,000 mutants on Earth total. I guess they're all supposed to be able to live on Krakoa, but I'm not sure they ever really did. It doesn't seem that big.
>Nationalism isn't why it was bad. This is why the X-Men suck now...
Modern X-Men are everything SJWS and Misc types actually want but won't admit. They say it's about tradition or nonwhite spiritual authenticity but really they want to be a caste of child gods beholden to no one but peer pressure in their group. All while desperately sucking off their metaphorical domme who gives them said privileges.
They can whine about oppression all they want, but what they truly want is to be doing the exact same thing they imagine their oppressors to be doing.
>Do you like the way krakoa is ending?
No, mutants are still a thing and Marvel is still publishing X-Men books. It should have ended with them being smote from the Earth by the wrath of God.
>Can't live with humans
>Get their own nation
>Get genocided
Is there anything new to the X-Men? This shit gets repeated ad nauseam.
Since they're getting back to having villains again, why do so many X-Men villains revolve around some form of psionics/telepathy/telekinesis? I get that it's an OP power, but so many villains in their rogue's gallery have some form of this power.
Possibly so writers couldn't literally wheel out Xavier as an instant-win against them.
Or maybe it's the council that's moronic and the caus of the disease.
Maybe some of them should have taken a public adinistrsrion course instead of having 24/7 orgies.
>pic
Krakoa is literally this, written by supporters of this, for the supporters of this.
>community gardens are somehow bad
??????
Considering it was a garden of a community that ended up shooting people and killing at least one kid, yes.
>six inches of potting soil on cardboard
>community garden
six inches is generous, maybe that's six pounds of potting soil
The Right love pushing the idea of getting away from globalization and back to small communities, but also hate things that bring communities together like public gardens and local art fetisvals and stuff for being too Liberal.
Because having a Seattle major allow you to occupy a portion of the city with guns and a self-declared warlord, and having CNN never write a mention of your underage victim wasn't the issue. It is the right wingers hating liberal activities.
Meds. None of that happened.
Google: CHAZ 2020
I don't think you know what a community garden is
Thats not a community garden you dumb shit thats a failure
I do recall the kid that was killed was driving/in a stolen car trying to escape police. They drove to the CHAZ and tried to drive in, only to have CHAZ security open fire on the car killing one of the kids.
The CHAZ only survived on the goodwill of others bringing them food and snacks.
There is no saving the X-Men at this point. It what you degenerates deserve.
Let's be honest here: Mutants are too incompetent to find a way to beat basic b***h robots that theoretically aren't even on par with Kree technology. All those powers-evolution, psionics, the fricking Phoenix-and they still eat shit to a clenched metal fist sooner or later.
Is anyone really surprised the morons can't run a fricking vegetable garden? Probably used all the arable land to grow their medicinal drugs lmao
Krakoa should get nuked along side all the non relevant Mutants
To be honest I am surprised it lasted this long.
Maybe I can start reading X-men again.
Don't get your hopes up. Strictly speaking it's just that the Krakoa council in it's current form is dissolved with the intention of finding replacements, there's still a chance the homosexual muties continue Krakoa but just tone it the frick down.
Isn't it ending with Fall of X or whatever the event is called?
Did Emma Frost made her big breasts natural or she goes to a breast augmentation everytime she resurrect?
They're vague and have gone both ways about how that shit like that is handled during resurrection. Like in one issue Forge mentions having a vat of molten adamantium they have to use every time wolverine rezes, then another issue they say x23 has metal bones now because proetus got mixed up while bringing her back one time implying they just magically do that stuff while growing the bodies. Cable is shown literally reinfecting himself with the TO virus right after every respawn. Meanwhile Cyclops still has usual brain damage even after dying like 8 times, Forge is still missing his limbs, Whizkid still can't walk. So who the frick knows the status of Emma's implants.
I'm still going with "she gives Elixir a hand job so he'll give her a natural breasts upgrade every time she comes back".
>Cyclops still has usual brain damage
That's just his natural personality.
>Like in one issue Forge mentions having a vat of molten adamantium they have to use every time wolverine rezes
>then another issue they say x23 has metal bones now because proetus got mixed up while bringing her back one time implying they just magically do that stuff while growing the bodies.
>Cable is shown literally reinfecting himself with the TO virus right after every respawn.
>Meanwhile Cyclops still has usual brain damage even after dying like 8 times
>Forge is still missing his limbs
>Whizkid still can't walk.
>Mutants staying in Westchester and interacting with humans daily, slowly improving their own lives and physical condition: 😐
>Mutants self-exiling to a demi-plane, but being dicks to everyone and keeping their own physical conditions everytime they revive: :O
No shit. They're practically Israel 2.0 with an equally worst government in existence
I just want the muties to go on supernatural adventures, fight supernatural baddies, solve supernatural problems, and be a general scifi-fest again. The moronic, soap opera shit had its chance, and failed. Go back to what made X-men good.
I hate how x-men became gossip girl with mutties, I mean sex was a thing in marvel and all, but at some point you started to need a fricking diagram to keep track on who cheated who with what in each timeline, at this point I just think to myself that cheating drama in marvel is the mark of a hack writer
I wish we had dumb adventures over love quintet, seriously who enjoys that crap?
>seriously who enjoys that crap
Sexless nerds and normie women.
I don't think women read this and I have yet to find a single dude that likes this crap, well there are a couple of guys that really dig the mind control shenanigans but other than that every dude is called a simp or a prostitute, no in between
This is a shitty writer problem not an audience one
If that were the case X-Men would not be selling at all.
My favorite comic store closed last year, so yeah no one was buying shit
X-men is way too continuity heavy.
The whole Krakoa thing was so spectacularly moronic that I'm just happy it's ending
It's not ending. The whole thing is a smokescreen and seeing Forge still alive proves that Krakoa's mutant population is obviously not dead.
Wasn't it leaked that it was going to end with Nimrod threatening to kill humans and the Muggas fricking off to space other than the X-Men/hero teams?
Hopefully they just kill off those muties
>can't defeat the Dominions
>EVER
>Just fricking give up and run away rather than try to see if Reed can "borrow" the Ultimate Nullifier and send it forward in time or if Thor can unlock one more Super Saiyan transformation
Typical mugga behaviour, running away tail between their legs the moment they realise they fricked around and found out
Why is Charlie doing the Joker dance?
Hell they even drew him like he was smiling.
I mean, you really blame him for being so happy Jean died? I'd be dancing too. She was ruined as a character even before krakoa started
The question is why aren't you? We should ALL do the Joker dance when Jean bites it, the world is better with Jean dead than alive in it at this point.
No, because there are still surviving muties. Nothing but total genocide will suffice.
X-Men was over after Claremont's run. Everything else is non-canon and worthless to read.
You know at a certain point Moira should have just considered abandoning Earth for Asgard or something. Just try to sneak into the Nine Realms and beg for amnesty.
How do Moira's power with timelines work anyway?
She dies and it resets. I don't think it's been elaborated on any further, let alone how the hell it interacts with-let's say, the Beyonder-interfering with time and space.
It's just like that one time Carol trusted a random precog to be 100% infallible during Civil War 2, because this is the story Hickman wants to tell you're supposed to ignore all the other futures where Dominions were irrelevant like, say, Old King Thor's or the one where Doom takes over eventually and pretend fricking robots are the most dangerous things in the universe
Shit like this is why X-men should be isolated into its own universe separated from 616.
I was lead to believe it was just some isekai bullshit where she basically dies and her brain gets sent to a parallel timeline when she was a baby. A literal reset would make shit like the 2015 Secret Wars far more screwball than before
Nope. She explicitly reincarnates and resets the timeline. THAT is her power. So yes, canonically Secret Wars happened multiple times and none of the participants either noticed or cared.
Gotta love retcons that disintegrate not just your own story’s timeline’s sense of cogency but the collective timelines of every other Marvel series
It's even worse than you think? Sinister was cloning and using her as IRL save states.
The timeline wasn't just reset a few times, it was dozens if not hundreds of times as Sinister kept playing Kaizo Mario with the time stream.
I wish it collapsed from a more political angle than "then Nimrod appears and kills everyone lol". They made a society beyond the paradigms of the human world, but are the mutants not deep down human as well?
Wouldn't there be mutants who don't like aspects like the breeding chambers, Quiet Council, and environmentalism? It'd be a bit slow but it would make for a cool story of the whole "Mutant Nation" project failing due to people being shitty.
The bolder choice would be to not break Krakoa apart, but have it go through some metamorphosis.
Why didn't Nimrod just BODYSLAM everyone sooner?
He was trying to complete all the sidequests and get acheivements out of the way before passing the point of no return. Its why he was body slamming everyone, he was completely overlevelled for that boss fight and going for style points.
lmafo
>I wish it collapsed from a more political angle than "then Nimrod appears and kills everyone lol".
I agre 100%, maybe it's because I've been reading immortal x-men and not the main x-men book, but it feels super unsatisfaying as an end to Krakoa, the situation in sins of sinister were they just indulges the worst aspect of krakoa was a lot more interesting than just a basic supervillain plot that just works this time for some reason. Which really says nothing about the concept beside "fascism bad".
Also a poor man sinister, a wannabe mandarin, Nimrod and fricking Modok were able to take out every mutant ever working together just because the plot armour was turned off.
>deep down
They're humans with a single oddball gene that grants them superpowers. I see no evidence that mutants in general possess some greater level of intelligence or higher morality. Insisting otherwise always comes off as insanity or copium to me.
Has modern X-Men ever hit an iconic peak as it did during the 90's since?
>I chose a random group that I have never once cared about in my life over my own family
>Also I used to be part of a group that was actively genociding you guys but eh that was pretty cool at the time cuz I wasn't a mutant yet
>Now we homies
Can Kamala frick right off.
>Inhumans will NEVER pay for the Terrigan Cloud
Based.
Its not her fault she's just been hatched from the brainwashing eggs.