Best thing about "Aliens" was emphasizing the aliens attacking from pretty much any direction. Sure "Alien" did that too, but "Aliens" took it to the next level.
Aliens is better for casual viewing as it has more of a balance of action & horror. More of an adventure. Alien is more of a hardcore horror film so I'm not always in the mood for that.
what did you expect, that the alien from the first one was really a scientist, a doctor, an engineer?
it was in an egg in a giant room filled with thousands of eggs.
it looks like an insect, has a crackly outer shell.
you freaks that wanted a repeat of the first film must be some special kind of braindead. >daaah I want 2 b surprised agen!
but the same thing happening twice isn't a surprise >DAAAHH I WAN B SAPRAISE I WAN SURPISE I WAN SURPISE
friday the thirteenth sure was a surprise after the 12th identical iteration
Well said. Aliens-haters are such whiny babies angry that people are enjoying something that doesn't fit their personal demands. Angry that a sequel was made as if it affects them in any way. And any 'arguments' they have are easily blown out and not supported by their own 'perfect' movie, kek.
what irks them the most is that it is such a good film too.
they know it, and they froth at the mouth because if they admit it, it strips them of their position to complain
alien was better
I love aliens as an action movie but >dude there like ants LMAO
completely ruined the mystery of the alien
Funny that you only post pictures of the alien planet, which is clearly the best part of the movie. Then we get some cool headcrab parasite scenes, and from then on it's a snorefest with the occasional jumpscare. As the other anon said, it works the first time, but it doesn't work in rewatchs.
What was that blue layer supposed to represent in the Engineer's ship? I never understood what that was. I guess it was just some protective layer for the eggs that was still powered by emergency backup power from the ship?
Real answer: Ridley just thought it looked cool, so he threw it in.
Headcanon answer: It's a science ship. That field could be a sensor to detect if any creatures escape, antibacterial field, or perhaps helps regulate temperature/atmosphere in that section.
>why is it so hard to make a good alien film?
Ridley doesn't really know what he's doing. Prometheus sucked despite having an amazing premise because it was the wrong kind of film. I think that the tone and style of Prometheus should have been more similar to something like "The Andromeda Strain" or maybe "Sphere". There should have really been no horror in the film until the final act. As well, Ridley wrote all the characters to be imbeciles. I mean these fricks would have been killed on that mission even without the Engineer.
They left the door open. Gorman's most unforgivable mistake was not securing his LZ. He knew his unit was effectively behind enemy lines and in a hot combat zone, but he was still treating as the milk run he thought it would be initially.
That wasn't Gorman's fault, that was fricking Spunkmeyer. How's Gorman going to know Spunkmeyer is gonna go out to jerk off and leave the door wide open and unguarded?
1. Command responsibility. He only has like ten people under him, and the nature of the Colonial Marine Core seems to land itself to micro managing.
2. He should have had at least a couple of his infantry with the dropship to at as a quick reaction force/reserve. Instead he push his entire infantry compliment hey diddle and up the reactor with no scouting and no reserve.
it worked fine in the 32 simulation runs he did. you can't criticise him for something that was out of his control
5 months ago
Anonymous
Look I have a lot of sympathy for Gorman. He was a victim of a murderous criminal conspiracy, and likely selected for his inexperience and mediocrity. A lot of what happened wasn't his fault.
That being said, positioning his marines was the one thing he had full control over.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>as a kid blame Gorman entirely for what went wrong >grow up and do an enlistment, figure out it was Apone's fault
5 months ago
Anonymous
Good fricking catch.
>senior non-commissioned officer >gets told to send his Marines in virtually unarmed >complies with order instead of recommending pulling out even though there's no urgency
The disaster is actually Apone's fault.
When Gorman tells them no rifles or grenades, that is prime time for his senior enlisted man (Apone) to have a talk about taking a pause and figuring out another way to do this. He kinda starts to do that, but lets Gorman walk over him.
That's where the command frickup is- Apone letting Gorman give a bad order. He's the more experienced of the two and is supposed to use that experience to help new lieutenants, and doesn't. His job as senior NCO to a fresh lieutenant is literally to do that, and he fails.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Good fricking catch.
>senior non-commissioned officer >gets told to send his Marines in virtually unarmed >complies with order instead of recommending pulling out even though there's no urgency
The disaster is actually Apone's fault.
When Gorman tells them no rifles or grenades, that is prime time for his senior enlisted man (Apone) to have a talk about taking a pause and figuring out another way to do this. He kinda starts to do that, but lets Gorman walk over him.
That's where the command frickup is- Apone letting Gorman give a bad order. He's the more experienced of the two and is supposed to use that experience to help new lieutenants, and doesn't. His job as senior NCO to a fresh lieutenant is literally to do that, and he fails.
On top of that Apone should have known that Drake and Vasquez wouldn't comply.
Gorman still should have secured his LZ with a couple of his infantry or at least setting a up a perimeter with his sentry guns if those are cannon >if sentry guns are canon
5 months ago
Anonymous
Remote Sentry Guns are definitely canon. One of the best parts of the movie.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That dot matrix is kino
5 months ago
Anonymous
Alien could never
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sentry gun scene is also important as it explains how the ayys get into the ceiling and manage to bypass the welded doors.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I had that remote sentry gun argument a VERY long time ago.
It turns out, I saw a version of this on laserdisc back in 1988 or 89. One of those old hotels that would have channels tuned to movies on repeat.
So, I saw the full version, and for years argued with friends about the sentry gun scenes. I was told I was making them up. Teen nerds arguing.
Then the different length versions were released in the late 90s and I was proven right.
5 months ago
Anonymous
eh, didn't know there was a version without them. was the US release censored or chopped up
5 months ago
Anonymous
They are in the Special Edition. It didn't have sentry guns, the colony scene at the opening, Ripley finding out about her daughter Rebecca, and a few others
5 months ago
Anonymous
daughter Amanda*
5 months ago
Anonymous
I watched it sometime in the early 90s, must have been on tv.
sentry guns were in there. there were 3 and 4 hour tapes, so maybe the releases I saw were all the correct length.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah.
It was VHS run length time back in the day. Which the full version could not be.
That was how I tracked down that I had seen a laserdisc version.
I was eight or so, I didn't know how that shit worked for broadcasting movies to all the different rooms tv, but the laserdisc version was the only version for years to have the sentry guns.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>as a kid blame Gorman entirely for what went wrong >grow up and do an enlistment, figure out it was Apone's fault
Gorman: >Look, uh, Apone. Look, we can't have any firing in there. I, uh... I want you to collect magazines from everybody.
Apone: >Then we fall back and examine our options, sir. Like sending Bishop in to scout.
Gorman: >*stutters a response*
Apone: >We're already heading out. We can discuss this in person.
Why didn't Apone just do this? It's his job as ranking NCO to make sure a fresh officer doesn't put his Marines at unnecessary risk (such as disarming them).
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't get the tough guy military homosexual line "look into my eye", it just seems forced and meaningless.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>as a kid blame Gorman entirely for what went wrong >grow up and do an enlistment, figure out it was Apone's fault
Good fricking catch.
>senior non-commissioned officer >gets told to send his Marines in virtually unarmed >complies with order instead of recommending pulling out even though there's no urgency
The disaster is actually Apone's fault.
When Gorman tells them no rifles or grenades, that is prime time for his senior enlisted man (Apone) to have a talk about taking a pause and figuring out another way to do this. He kinda starts to do that, but lets Gorman walk over him.
That's where the command frickup is- Apone letting Gorman give a bad order. He's the more experienced of the two and is supposed to use that experience to help new lieutenants, and doesn't. His job as senior NCO to a fresh lieutenant is literally to do that, and he fails.
Think about this: the lieutenant on station had at his disposal nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and energy weapons capable of destroying cities.
A lieutenant.
What does this say about the universe they live in?
5 months ago
Anonymous
tech is cheap, planets are widely distributed, and marines are thin in numbers.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the simulations were rigged to guide his future responses.
he was set up from the start to be disposable, like all the rest of them, and they sent ripley along to ensure she couldn't tell anyone about the company doing the same with the first expedition via ash.
if a successful mission is the desired outcome, then killing ripley while she was in hypersleep on the way to the planet should have been the main strategy
5 months ago
Anonymous
Nah. The idiotic theories making the company this evil incompetent mastermind that tries and fails to get the alien over the course of decades/centuries are so juvenile. It's canon that the company didn't know anything about the derelict or creatures there, wasn't setting up any of its marines/colonists to die, and didn't know Ripley survived until she showed up.
5 months ago
Anonymous
and ash just malfunctioned?
5 months ago
Anonymous
and burke just malfunctioned?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Gorman probably would have been fine had he been informed from the start on the nature of the xenos and the facility, he was kept in the dark until the last second when he saw it all himself.
>as a kid blame Gorman entirely for what went wrong >grow up and do an enlistment, figure out it was Apone's fault
Apone fricked it up on the ground, big time. ~~*Burke*~~ sabotaged literally everyone including the colonists from the start...
5 months ago
Anonymous
Gorman had read Ripley's report as they all did. No one believed her. And besides, she had never seen what happens when they spread and there's more than one anyway.
5 months ago
Anonymous
she could guess, she knew there were hundreds of eggs there.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Not really. The whole point is that it's an alien creature that they've never seen before with all sorts of unexpected properties. In the first, they never expected it to burst out of the guy's chest, grow so large in a short time, or have acid blood. No real reason to expect them to build a nest then go into hibernation. Maybe they'd form into a giant godzilla like monster. Maybe they'd make a biotech spaceship and fly away already. Maybe after being alive for months they turn peaceful. Maybe they break into factions, fight and eat each other. It's an alien, who knows.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you're mistaking "what could have happened" with "what someone would expect to happen based on what they've already experienced".
them turning into radioactive clowns that can only be seen in mirrors isn't a likely, predictable event. then being more lethal in greater numbers was a predictable event.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She does tell them there will be a lot of them. But she doesn't know anything other than that. Point is, Gormon couldn't be 'informed on their nature' at all since no one fricking knows. There is no reason to assume they'd have made a hive and just gone to sleep there. Or that they couldn't have changed drastically from the last time she saw one.
5 months ago
Anonymous
she saw the life cycle of one, grows from embryo to worm in a day, worm to 7 foot tall monster in another day.
she wouldn't need to know about a nest or anything like that, she could just think "one of them can take out ten guys easily, and they run on ceilings and floors and hide in bundles of tubes really well, this one on the ship stayed in dark places, fire hurts them"
voila, prepped.
instead when she's given the opportunity to brief the marines, she starts having a hysterical fit and screaming emotionally about nonsense while providing no facts or useful information at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Reading a report is one thing, being sent in with proper manpower and orientation on the nature of the threat is another. ~~*Burke*~~ wanted to test the capability of the xenos, that is exactly what happened.
5 months ago
Anonymous
makes sense why the android from alien 1 was called 'ash'; fresh from the oven
5 months ago
Anonymous
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ash
Bishop
Call
David
Interesting tidbit, I know not what series an Autaught is, but their rebellious nature leads me to believe they could have a good bit of David in them.
Which would mean Call could be 300 years old by the time of Resurrection.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the retro stuff with david sort of ruined it. he's clearly more advanced seeming, but is supposed to have come however many decades before ash, and maybe a century before bishop - who in a3 says he'd rather be deactivated as he'll never be top of line anymore.
the real weyland appeared in avp, more or less modern day - why did they only have one model after his likeness.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ah!
But look at David. Your uncanny valley senses would go off watching his body language. Too precise, and exact. You'd know he was a robot.
They seem to have fixed that in the later models a bit.
Which if naming convention is a thing, and Call's series, she may have been built by David's series to be more freethinking and pacifist, the overcorrection to the servile nature of the Bishop series and using the face of the creator as the model, maybe they are trying to help people forget about the previous two series eventually being uncontrollable shits?
5 months ago
Anonymous
the alphabetised names would make sense if it weren't for david.
him being too perfect might be the case, but he also seems more intellectually capable too - he bioengineers a new species from spare organs while living in a cave.
ash doesn't seem much beyond bright humans. bishop has a clear advantage.
winona ryder just whines a lot
5 months ago
Anonymous
Plus Samuels was in there before Bishop
5 months ago
Anonymous
who was samuels
Call was also a pacifist, and objector to the use of "Artificial Persons" as the machines they were built to be.
It's just a bit of possible headcanon for me that David made her series a waifish female, similar to Elizabeth, and made her similar to Elizabeth in nature also.
The Autaught or whatever they were rebelled, and fell into legend, and the future built robots were built with less freedom of choice about what they did, along with being way more subservient.
i wouldn't mind a subservient winona droid, as long as her birthmarks don't fall out during use.
5 months ago
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Call was also a pacifist, and objector to the use of "Artificial Persons" as the machines they were built to be.
It's just a bit of possible headcanon for me that David made her series a waifish female, similar to Elizabeth, and made her similar to Elizabeth in nature also.
The Autaught or whatever they were rebelled, and fell into legend, and the future built robots were built with less freedom of choice about what they did, along with being way more subservient.
I like how after her initial shock it only takes her a second to go right for her weapon, even though she had to do a complete mental 180, (that's a 360 to you dumb Zoomies), in that time because she didn't buy into the existence of aliens at all. The others at least saw some shit had gone down at the colony and saw facehuggers in jars before that. Tells you something about her character like the writing does for the rest of the them. Shows she's also a badass marine and not soft just because she's doing her job sitting down. She almost got a shot off.
Also good contrast to Lambert in the first film, the b***h who freaks out and totally freezes up when confronted by alien.
RIP Corporal Colette Ferro USCMC. b***h could back up the attitude, but just wasn't her day.
>noooo, you have to like my guy with a knife goes around killing people one by one as they all split up for no reason
I will never find straight line underpants attractive. if you aren't 60, you have congenital mental illness
5 months ago
Anonymous
Alien isn't a guy with a knife tho...Also, I actually don't even really like slashers besides for a few like Alien and TCM.
5 months ago
Anonymous
it is a guy in a suit with a knife on his tail, big deal.
same setup, ooeooeee we unlocked an "ancient evil", oeoeoee it's killing us for no reason - let's split up and be killed one by one in dark corridors.
even at the time people knew it was just a standard slasher set in space, thats the whole premise.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Aliens is literally just a rated R marvel movie >Le funny quip heroes shoot aliens with big guns...but they le swear and there's heckin' violence!
5 months ago
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that's le based THOUGH
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's cringe THOUGHEVER because only third world ESL browns like capeshit (Yes, Aliens is basically just capeshit)
5 months ago
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to be fair, ALL films are basically just capeshit
5 months ago
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But Aliens literally IS capeshit
5 months ago
Anonymous
so are all films
5 months ago
Anonymous
alien is just a bog standard slasher, it adds nothing. they even have the "friend turns into zombie controlled by the killer" thing in it with ash. it's moronic
oohhh aahh I can't control myself, oohhjgraaah I'm attacking my friends arrgghhh - quick duck, I'm about to attack you with a rolled up magazine on a spaceship ohhh argghhh
5 months ago
Anonymous
aliens is just a generic action flick, it adds nothing. they even have the "(un)suspenseful moment where kid almost heckin' dies but then they get saved! (even though you knew they would be saved)" moment in it with Newt. It's moronic
oohh aahh the kid almost gets killed by the le bad guy but then an unrealistic moment happens where the hero saves them and defeats the bad guy...somehow.
5 months ago
Anonymous
alien the 70s slasher has the main character girl somehow be the only survivor and defeat the villain alone and unarmed despite it having killed all the tough jock males and pretty cheerleaders one by one for the rest of the film. they have her kill the motiveless, faceless killer right at the end just because they're running out of time for holding the attention of the low brow slasher audience.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>low brow slasher audience
Are you implying Aliens isn't made for the low brow action audience? Lmao,
5 months ago
Anonymous
let's compare Friday the 13th part 9 viewership with die hard viewership.
the former is 32 IQ, while the latter is 100 IQ.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>friday the 13th part 9
Die Hard has sequels too. Also, Die Hard viewers are probably the same IQ as Friday the 13th viewers. Slashers and action are both low brow.
Also, I bet you think Die Hard is a christmas movie
5 months ago
Anonymous
dunno how you are defending 70s slashers when they are the lowest brow crap in the world and everyone knows it.
thats why scream was made in the first place.
action films at least has action in them, while slashers just have the same singular action repeated a dozen times until the whole cast is killed off and there's two people left - killer and survivor.
it's the most formulaic, mindless swill there is.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Action is literally no better. Do you honestly think the average Marvel fan is smarter than the average Friday the 13th fan? >Dude big guy with mask and knife stabs people lmao! >Dude big guy with gun shoots people lmao
5 months ago
Anonymous
marvel isn't action, it's a children's cartoon.
seven samurai is action, those guys have swords too but if you can't tell the difference, your defense of 70s slashers, the lowest genre there is is explication enough for your limitations.
5 months ago
Anonymous
alien is just a bog standard slasher, it adds nothing. they even have the "friend turns into zombie controlled by the killer" thing in it with ash. it's moronic
oohhh aahh I can't control myself, oohhjgraaah I'm attacking my friends arrgghhh - quick duck, I'm about to attack you with a rolled up magazine on a spaceship ohhh argghhh
>smooth brained Zoomie takes
Proof that IQs did just drop sharply while Ripley was away.
maybe try eastern europe and pay them a lot of money.
russian girls seem to delight in torturing their classmates half to death, I'm sure they'd do it for you
You could imagine them being part of the same long continuous story because they fit together so well in the same universe. Shitty sequels don't, or even if they technically fit are boring parts of Ripley's life or the universe, that nobody needs to see. Just like we don't need to see how the Death Star plans got stolen by the Rebels, or what John Connor was doing before he was stalked by a T-1000.
That's what makes the first two alien movies great, (as well as the first two Terminator movies).
Taken as a whole they have a lot of kino, like finding the ship and the initial John Hurt chestburster scene are pure indispensable kino even if the movie as a whole can be a little slow. Meanwhile the space marine action and Newt becoming like a daughter to Ripley is also.
All these movies suck so so much ass. It's the boomer version of lorehomosexualry and nothing else. The best one was alien 3 and it still wasn't a good movie. Absolutely nothing happened in the first one. The second one was basically a josh wheaton movie without josh wheaton, the third one was kind of col a little bit and the one after that was actually a josh wheaton movie so I couldn't watch it more than like, the two seconds it took for me to realise what it was.
Name one thing there is to like about it. Not a damn thing happened in the whole movie. The alien design sucks too. The only people I know who like it are boomers and they are obsessed with the lore of it for some reason, and that's the only thing they ever mention about it when I ask why they like it.
Alien because this walking squeek toy isnt in it.
If she wasnt in it, it would be Aliens, but Aliens is bogged down by it being a more PG-13 movie than Alien. Newt is such a lazy plot device where she just keep falling into holes and having to be rescued.
Alien. Aliens is amazing, but Newt brings down the movie since she's a shit actress (not her fault, all child actors suck more or less). Thank god they killed her off in 3
Yeah, because action is a much more intelligent genre, right? Certainly not like slashers and action are both low IQ slop or anything, because you need AT LEAST a 100 IQ to understand pew pew bang bang movies.
Don't recall any of the marines exercising any kind of supernatural or exaggerated power. I think you're just shitty because there weren't enough jump scares for your b***hmade ass
Aliens is not even 'action'. There's only three gun fights in the whole movie and they're like after the halfway point. Having a couple guns go pew pew doesn't automatically make something action. Alien had guns too, so if they had shot them you think it would have been an action movie too? And Aliens is FAR scarier than Alien. Their guns don't do a whole lot to stop the monsters, they still get wrecked.
Alien. I love Aliens but I've grown to appreciate it less as I've aged and appreciate Alien more.
Alien 3 and Resurrection on the other hand, my opinion has only gone lower, especially Resurrection which I actually liked when I as younger, I cannot stand that movie now it's such a piece of shit. At least Alien 3 is somewhat watchable.
It's the same plot done different ways; Scott has the isolated space slasher, Cameron has the action blaster >waking up in stasis pods >getting to know the group >being sent on a mission >motion trackers >the discovery >knocking something over startles Ripley >suspicious android prods at and admires a facehugger >Ripley is the sole voice of reason and nobody listens >shit hits the fan and Ripley takes charge, despite the complaints of others >cocooned person who is set on fire >the group is picked off >man puts his hand in alien goo >a company plant tries to kill Ripley >Ripley is choked >her cute little friend goes missing >Ripley goes back to find said cute little friend >flammenwerfer! it werfs flammen. >countdown to a nuclear explosion >escaping the explosion on a small ship >Ripley is safe aboard that other ship...? >nope, turns out a xeno stowed aboard (spoilers btw) >Ripley gears up to fight the xeno >xeno is blown into space from an airlock >ends on Ripley and her cute little friend in stasis
Same plot, same beats throughout, it just depends on what you're looking for.
I'd watch Alien alone, and Aliens with friends.
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sexts, it would have been.
your post reads like a bot parsed both scripts and came to a logical conclusion and outputted a final recommendation.
it's accurate but is very close to the style of current bots, especially with the verbosity
No, an actual human took the time to consider the similarities between both movies and compiled them in to a handy fricking pasta.
I don't blame you for looking out for bots though, that's basically this entire site now. Makes me sick.
what is this "feeling sick" that you speak of?
was a good post anyway, but total bot death must be achieved for humanity to regain his rightful place in the universe.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I see what you're doing, and it's okay. I get it, you c**t.
Glad you liked it, and yeah, total bot death. I AM SO HERE FOR THAT, as they say.
Now you can't tell whether or not I'm real.
>316 >3:16 >pic related
GIMME A HEYALL YEAAAH never thought I'd have to prove I'm an actual human but whatever
5 months ago
Anonymous
nice try, but by posting a directly relatable number with a post number you've shown you can only function off simple input and output.
don't know who the fella is, or why he's throwing packets of mayonnaise down his gullet but if that's steve austin it makes sense, preparing himself for his next expendables outcrop.
just walked 20 minutes to buy some socks from a shop I'd seen had had good socks a couple of months ago, and found they had disappeared the sock section completely. the underpants were still there in the same spot, but not a sock in sight.
wasn't a completely wasted trip as I needed some food from the supermarket right next to it, but had a supermarket 5 minites' walk away that would have done just as well
5 months ago
Anonymous
Lookit pal; all you had to say was HELL YEAH.
I don't ask for much.
I like Alien up until it becomes a boring ass slasher. Aliens is just a 10/10 action movie through its entire runtime. No complaints, it's great.
This is also why I love Prometheus. They basically took the first 40 minutes or so from Alien and turned them into a whole film.
While I overall prefer the Assembly Cut of Alien 3, I disagree with the changes to an ox being the host and the removal of the chest burster during the suicide scene.
Really is the best. I wish they'd just make more movies with that same look/style. Doesn't need the alien in it
I love the Mother module, with those warm little lights and displays. So great
The sounds of the doors, the "cushioned" look of the corridors
It just looks so great, and has a real tactile feel
Alien. I like the focus on utilities and tools rather than epic space guns. Tighter focus on a cast of more identifiable characters.
Aliens is for people who want action, Alien is for people who like atmosphere.
You clowns are way too caught up on the guns aspect. It's just another tool too, and they're only used in the second half of the movie. The crew in Alien wanted to use guns too but didn't want to get acid everywhere. Both casts are easily recognizable. And you sound like a dork saying "my movie is better because it's slow and nothing happens, only watch the other if you want things to happen"
Yeah, they did.
They just didn't want to puncture it and have it bleed holes in the ship.
Kane specifically had a laser of some kind.
It also seemed like Kane using his laser would be really bad for collateral damage inside the ship.
The movies are actually too different to pit them against each other. Alien is a horror movie and it is the most cleaver on the use of it´s cinematography as it masterfully uses the lighting, sound design and montage cuts to both create the monster and hide it from the audience in a way that psychologically enhance the tension and dread of the uncanny.
On the other hand the characters from the original film are too one dimensional. Aliens give Ripley character development. Her interactions with Nwet turn her basically into a proto Sarah Connor (from T2).
The movie is also more of an action movie than a horror one, which was probably the right choice since once the cat was out of the bag (pun intended) on the original Alien all those hiding techniques became essentially useless. The monster had already became a creature. It was known.
So instead of trying to be Alien again (which was impossible) the movie just doubles down on that and has that great anthropomorphic scene on which Ripley and the alien queen kind of understand each other as mothers. Now it´s not only a creature, but an animal with personality. Which was very cleaver on it´s own way as both protagonist and antagonist became stronger from a narrative POV.
>TL; DR both are great on their own right. Can´t choose
Slightly biased towards Aliens which i saw first as a kid, and I still love the whole marines in space getting their ass kicked vibe over a ship full of bonus speculating truckers. But i think Alien probably is the better film all told.
Alien is like finding a spider in your room, leaving to grab something to kill it with, then coming back and it's gone.
Aliens is like finding a spider in your room, leaving to grab something to kill it with, then coming back and there's hundreds of them.
The problem with the sequels is they never try to find something to really change anything. Alien 3 was a rehash of Alien but with quasi-religious themes. Resurrection just sucked. Prometheus wasn't Alien (and that's a good thing). Covenant sucked even worse.
The only other good thing to happen to the IP since Aliens was Alien: Isolation, a video game. Directors, producers, etc should hang their heads in shame that a fricking VIDEO GAME did the IP more justice.
Honestly, the best way to go with the series after Aliens would have been to make it a "disaster" or post-apocalyptic style of movie, in the vein of War of the Worlds or the Mist. Literal apocalyptic event with xenos everywhere.
>war of the world's but with aliens
no. it would be awful.
if you want a decent one, try the first avp book, that has aliens seeded on a mining colonists planet by preds. the preds come and discover there are humans there too - it has a decent plot, isn't too large scale nor too small.
Years on I quite like Alien 3, but I totally agree that Isolation was very good and cinematically well designed, but they nailed quite well some of the atmosphere/aliens in the AVP games. The films were shit but the games were pretty good for their time.
Oh yeah, AVP2 felt like an extension of Aliens in a lot of ways. It didn't do anything original, but it still felt more "Aliens" than anything else. Never played AVP2010, and AVP1 was just Quake with Aliens and Predators (which was fine, very fun)
I saw a bit of Dahdtoudie and the idea of her origin, but set on Earth instead, and not ending the same way when I watched AvP1.
AvP2 had potential, but they really shit the bed with not letting the predator big nuke itself to end the aliens instead of US nuking itself.
i was talking about the games, in reply to someone about the games.
for the films, none of the avp films have been decent unfortunately - massive potential wasted.
first one being near future and in the sweaty, tropical depths of the arctic made no sense - and the second was the pitch black dark one in a small town where nothing happened.
skipped the autist predator film, skipped the squaw predator film
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Prey
Hah, I hatewatched it and wrote a scathing review on IMDB that somehow made it through their autoblocks and was fetured as the number one comment on it for a while until enough of the paid shills reported it and it was removed.
Too late then, there were thousands of them shitting all over the movie before IMDB just started turning off all comments until the shitstorm died out.
Good Times.
5 months ago
Anonymous
do you have a copy to post here?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Naw. I just thought it was funny that he refused to watch Prey and I hated Prey that much more than him to subject myself to watching it and writing a review that momentarily gained traction before it got sent to the bin for being too mean.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I totally forgot that movie existed and just watched this:
Yeah, that's enough CURRENT YEAR stronk whammen attitude and girls get it done horseshit for me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
reading the comments of that vid is as close as I'll go. don't even want to see the clip itself
5 months ago
Anonymous
You know how in Aliens, Paul Reiser gets his comeuppance because he's actually the bad guy, and that's to be expected for the bad guy in a movie, where the audience enjoys seeing it?
Just watching this it looks like that's what happens to every single character who doesn't let her be a strong independent woman, or otherwise disagrees with her, (ie. Everybody). That's the whole by the look of it. Doesn't matter if they're her own people, alien colonisers, or evil space aliens. They all get what they 'deserve' for not taking her whammening seriously, so the script proves her right and them all wrong so she can smug up the screen.
Looks like they're reacting the no-training Rey thing by having her suck at the start, but still looks like you're just watching someone who sucks magically transform into Captain Marvel pulling the patch off.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She tied an axe to a rope.
Suddenly, she went from not being able to hit shit with her axe, to goddamn Scorpion from Mortal Kombat in two minutes of practice, lost a fight against four teenage boys, but managed to go full on Spiderman in your fight with the predator AFTER discovering some magical herb that reduces body temperature to ambient levels to fool the predator's thermal vision?
5 months ago
Anonymous
lowering your body temperature to 10 degrees helps you fight better.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe if you're a Universal Soldier.
5 months ago
Anonymous
lolwut? God, it's even worse than I think it is by the sound of it.
We know from older movies that actresses are actually capable of not looking like a dumb smug frick after doing the simplest most basic b***h thing. Why is that nigh impossible for any actress/character in the CURRENT YEAR?
Even Arnie doesn't look smug after going mano-a-mano with a space monster and killing the shit out of it. But look at thumbnail of that video, or I suspect, any random still. >whammens an axe into a tree >smug >ties a rope to it >uber smug
b***h must be having multiple-smugasms while huffing her own farts by the end.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You missed the best part:
It's a CG rope and axe.
Indian hired to be an Indian can't Indian.
"No worries, she can just speak English and belong to a tribe that never existed that far north, and buck centuries of tradition to make her a fighter! CG everything you can to make her look competent!"
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's not Robert Beltran's daughter is it?
5 months ago
Anonymous
I think this needs to be canon where she is one of Chakotay's ancestors who fought one of Esoqq's primitive ancestors.
Or the Predators turn into Hirogen when they get pussified over time by technology.
5 months ago
Anonymous
glad I've avoided it.
i didn't watch the star wars sequels or captain marvel, I just know the referenced from here, third hand, as a kind of air filter to reduce the level of contamination I might otherwise be exposed to.
not sure why women oriented films involve everyone being tortured or dying who doesn't answer their every whim with excitement and praise
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that Predator was not there for a hunt, he was there for a slaughter.
He used some crazy shit that kills lots, his primary weapon launches mini spears that are guided and return, he's in it for just the killing, not the fight.
In the credits, you see the rest of that predator's group show up, and burn the whole Indian encampment as retribution, so they hold grudges, unlike the crew of the predator that Danny Glover killed, who treated him with respect.
So, really, Naru didn't know who she was fricking with.
Predator would have gotten bored at easy killing a few of you and moving on.
Instead, you gotta frick with him and get your entire tribe killed.
There's a message here, and it's not the one the creator's of the movie intended.
"If woman had stayed in tent and cooked, like suppose to, then many less people would have died."
Amusing, if you see it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>CG axe hits a CG tree with CG rope and CG grass >CG Pred kills a CG bear, CG blood, CG water >CG mountain lion, CG trees, CG blood on the camera >CG fire, for frick's sake
Prey is fricking garbage. Committee-made Predator is trash.
The main problem with "Covenant" is that there isn't any way in Hell Walter wouldn't have won that fight. He was the upgraded model, and would have been more genre-savvy than David. Instead somehow Walter doesn't mop the floor via his superior combat moves?
People who prefer Aliens are morons.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with their choice, they're just moronic.
I'm met some absolute dipshits that prefer Alien, usually they're along the lines of hipster-edgelord, but 100% of the people I've met that prefer Aliens have been dumb as frick.
Also, they usually not only prefer Aliens, but dislike Alien. They legitimately have problems understanding plot points, let alone themes, character development, or any technical aspects of film making.
I wouldn't trust an Aliens-leaning viewer to watch a house plant.
I can enjoy Aliens, but Alien is an objectively better piece of work.
No, Aliens fans don't dislike Alien. It's the other way around. The subgroup of Alien fans angry that a sequel was even made and especially angry that their "perfect" organism was compared to a bug. They are very vocal with their seething, and ignore all the silliness of the xenomorph in the first movie.
I liked the first 2, didn't liked 3, 4 had it's moments. On the other hand Prometheus was alright, but the crew was very fricking stupid, covenant was deeply insulting.
I feel "Alien 3" could have had a better resolution. Also the whole "nearly everyone dies" thing felt forced because "muh big explosion" and "muh botched lure-it-into-another-trap" thing wiped out the majority of the cast in just 2 moves.
Realistically it should have ended more like "Alien 4" with a considerable number of surviving prisoners. Like one-third alive at the absolute worst.
depends on the day
At night...mostly.
>slips back into bong accent in the middle of the sentence
moest-leh
Turn yourself into local authorities
projecting?
Yes anons, seek positions of authority.
AAHHHHHH I AM NOW AN ALDERMAN
IM COMPTROOOOOOOOLLING
>local authorities
What the frick are you talking about anon?
they won't suspect one of their own
THEY'RE DEAD ALRIGHT CAN I GO NOW
Why not both.
Best thing about "Aliens" was emphasizing the aliens attacking from pretty much any direction. Sure "Alien" did that too, but "Aliens" took it to the next level.
"Sure."
>shoves her back into the nearest vent and seals it behind her
finding about that was really depressing
how morond an exec can be
what
Aliens. Alien is for le pseuds.
Alien 3.
Anathema
Alien is a superior horror/suspense film while Aliens is the better action flick
>horror
>suspense
You watched a different movie than everyone else. It literally had zero moments of horror or suspense. Suicide now.
Watch the movie. And of course commit suicide.
>Alien
>not a horror movie
Is your definition of a horror movie excluded to slashers, or something?
Horror movies are supposed to be scary bro. What do you think it means?
I prefer hiding this moronic thread.
You're an Alien guy I bet
you've just posted the main reason why I prefer the first movie
Aliens is better for casual viewing as it has more of a balance of action & horror. More of an adventure. Alien is more of a hardcore horror film so I'm not always in the mood for that.
i like them all
Now I want to rewatch Aliens again
everything after the end is not canon btw don't @ me
alien was better
I love aliens as an action movie but
>dude there like ants LMAO
completely ruined the mystery of the alien
what did you expect, that the alien from the first one was really a scientist, a doctor, an engineer?
it was in an egg in a giant room filled with thousands of eggs.
it looks like an insect, has a crackly outer shell.
you freaks that wanted a repeat of the first film must be some special kind of braindead.
>daaah I want 2 b surprised agen!
but the same thing happening twice isn't a surprise
>DAAAHH I WAN B SAPRAISE I WAN SURPISE I WAN SURPISE
friday the thirteenth sure was a surprise after the 12th identical iteration
>you freaks that wanted a repeat of the first film
we didn't want a second film at all
yes you did. I've seen you slasher morons in dozens of threads, always the same thing.
>they shud of med 2 like 1 bcoz it thrilar
Well said. Aliens-haters are such whiny babies angry that people are enjoying something that doesn't fit their personal demands. Angry that a sequel was made as if it affects them in any way. And any 'arguments' they have are easily blown out and not supported by their own 'perfect' movie, kek.
what irks them the most is that it is such a good film too.
they know it, and they froth at the mouth because if they admit it, it strips them of their position to complain
nah it didn't, it expanded on it with a cool concept without overexplaining everything like the new ones did
Aliens is more rewatchable, horror is boring when you know whats coming.
atmosphere is the most important thing in a horror movie not le scary creature in your face
Aliens has plenty of atmosphere silly
Funny that you only post pictures of the alien planet, which is clearly the best part of the movie. Then we get some cool headcrab parasite scenes, and from then on it's a snorefest with the occasional jumpscare. As the other anon said, it works the first time, but it doesn't work in rewatchs.
What was that blue layer supposed to represent in the Engineer's ship? I never understood what that was. I guess it was just some protective layer for the eggs that was still powered by emergency backup power from the ship?
it was probably a bomber and lost control
Did your brain forget how to read?
you need it spelled out in simpler english?
magnetic field to hold in the stasis gas maybe.
Real answer: Ridley just thought it looked cool, so he threw it in.
Headcanon answer: It's a science ship. That field could be a sensor to detect if any creatures escape, antibacterial field, or perhaps helps regulate temperature/atmosphere in that section.
How moronic are you?
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/ANTpjuGtz5PUY1GBGXhhXw/
autism
Aliens is better. Alien is great though.
How come none of the later films ever take place the original Alien 1-3 universe with the original aesthetics in terms of tech and costumes?
Because everyone making the movies after that have been complete morons.
I mostly prefer Aliens, mostly
>mostly
A voice of reason and wit among the soulless npcs that clutter these threads.
I prefer Alien Covenant
Upon a rewatch, it was definitely better than Prometheus and Resurrection. Mid-tier in the series for me.
It's schlock. Nearly slapstick in places. I did enjoy the main characters though.
it was an improvement over prometheus but not by much
why is it so hard to make a good alien film?
>why is it so hard to make a good alien film?
Ridley doesn't really know what he's doing. Prometheus sucked despite having an amazing premise because it was the wrong kind of film. I think that the tone and style of Prometheus should have been more similar to something like "The Andromeda Strain" or maybe "Sphere". There should have really been no horror in the film until the final act. As well, Ridley wrote all the characters to be imbeciles. I mean these fricks would have been killed on that mission even without the Engineer.
honestly the premise for prometheus was utter shite.
Alien Covenant is worst than Prometheus but a large margin
For me, it’s Alien 3 Assembly cut. The symbolism in this movie, shivers. Not to mention, rape goggles
For me it's the actors.
I'd watch the cast of alien3 perform pretty much anything.
>lust-provoking image
>irrelevant time-wasting question
Why is the nostromo so comfy bros?
how the frick did the xenomorph open the door
it didn't, it listened, which is what no one else did
they have hands dont they
They left the door open. Gorman's most unforgivable mistake was not securing his LZ. He knew his unit was effectively behind enemy lines and in a hot combat zone, but he was still treating as the milk run he thought it would be initially.
That wasn't Gorman's fault, that was fricking Spunkmeyer. How's Gorman going to know Spunkmeyer is gonna go out to jerk off and leave the door wide open and unguarded?
1. Command responsibility. He only has like ten people under him, and the nature of the Colonial Marine Core seems to land itself to micro managing.
2. He should have had at least a couple of his infantry with the dropship to at as a quick reaction force/reserve. Instead he push his entire infantry compliment hey diddle and up the reactor with no scouting and no reserve.
it worked fine in the 32 simulation runs he did. you can't criticise him for something that was out of his control
Look I have a lot of sympathy for Gorman. He was a victim of a murderous criminal conspiracy, and likely selected for his inexperience and mediocrity. A lot of what happened wasn't his fault.
That being said, positioning his marines was the one thing he had full control over.
>as a kid blame Gorman entirely for what went wrong
>grow up and do an enlistment, figure out it was Apone's fault
Good fricking catch.
>senior non-commissioned officer
>gets told to send his Marines in virtually unarmed
>complies with order instead of recommending pulling out even though there's no urgency
The disaster is actually Apone's fault.
When Gorman tells them no rifles or grenades, that is prime time for his senior enlisted man (Apone) to have a talk about taking a pause and figuring out another way to do this. He kinda starts to do that, but lets Gorman walk over him.
That's where the command frickup is- Apone letting Gorman give a bad order. He's the more experienced of the two and is supposed to use that experience to help new lieutenants, and doesn't. His job as senior NCO to a fresh lieutenant is literally to do that, and he fails.
On top of that Apone should have known that Drake and Vasquez wouldn't comply.
Gorman still should have secured his LZ with a couple of his infantry or at least setting a up a perimeter with his sentry guns if those are cannon
>if sentry guns are canon
Remote Sentry Guns are definitely canon. One of the best parts of the movie.
That dot matrix is kino
Alien could never
Sentry gun scene is also important as it explains how the ayys get into the ceiling and manage to bypass the welded doors.
I had that remote sentry gun argument a VERY long time ago.
It turns out, I saw a version of this on laserdisc back in 1988 or 89. One of those old hotels that would have channels tuned to movies on repeat.
So, I saw the full version, and for years argued with friends about the sentry gun scenes. I was told I was making them up. Teen nerds arguing.
Then the different length versions were released in the late 90s and I was proven right.
eh, didn't know there was a version without them. was the US release censored or chopped up
They are in the Special Edition. It didn't have sentry guns, the colony scene at the opening, Ripley finding out about her daughter Rebecca, and a few others
daughter Amanda*
I watched it sometime in the early 90s, must have been on tv.
sentry guns were in there. there were 3 and 4 hour tapes, so maybe the releases I saw were all the correct length.
Yeah.
It was VHS run length time back in the day. Which the full version could not be.
That was how I tracked down that I had seen a laserdisc version.
I was eight or so, I didn't know how that shit worked for broadcasting movies to all the different rooms tv, but the laserdisc version was the only version for years to have the sentry guns.
Gorman:
>Look, uh, Apone. Look, we can't have any firing in there. I, uh... I want you to collect magazines from everybody.
Apone:
>Then we fall back and examine our options, sir. Like sending Bishop in to scout.
Gorman:
>*stutters a response*
Apone:
>We're already heading out. We can discuss this in person.
Why didn't Apone just do this? It's his job as ranking NCO to make sure a fresh officer doesn't put his Marines at unnecessary risk (such as disarming them).
I don't get the tough guy military homosexual line "look into my eye", it just seems forced and meaningless.
Think about this: the lieutenant on station had at his disposal nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and energy weapons capable of destroying cities.
A lieutenant.
What does this say about the universe they live in?
tech is cheap, planets are widely distributed, and marines are thin in numbers.
the simulations were rigged to guide his future responses.
he was set up from the start to be disposable, like all the rest of them, and they sent ripley along to ensure she couldn't tell anyone about the company doing the same with the first expedition via ash.
if a successful mission is the desired outcome, then killing ripley while she was in hypersleep on the way to the planet should have been the main strategy
Nah. The idiotic theories making the company this evil incompetent mastermind that tries and fails to get the alien over the course of decades/centuries are so juvenile. It's canon that the company didn't know anything about the derelict or creatures there, wasn't setting up any of its marines/colonists to die, and didn't know Ripley survived until she showed up.
and ash just malfunctioned?
and burke just malfunctioned?
Gorman probably would have been fine had he been informed from the start on the nature of the xenos and the facility, he was kept in the dark until the last second when he saw it all himself.
Apone fricked it up on the ground, big time. ~~*Burke*~~ sabotaged literally everyone including the colonists from the start...
Gorman had read Ripley's report as they all did. No one believed her. And besides, she had never seen what happens when they spread and there's more than one anyway.
she could guess, she knew there were hundreds of eggs there.
Not really. The whole point is that it's an alien creature that they've never seen before with all sorts of unexpected properties. In the first, they never expected it to burst out of the guy's chest, grow so large in a short time, or have acid blood. No real reason to expect them to build a nest then go into hibernation. Maybe they'd form into a giant godzilla like monster. Maybe they'd make a biotech spaceship and fly away already. Maybe after being alive for months they turn peaceful. Maybe they break into factions, fight and eat each other. It's an alien, who knows.
you're mistaking "what could have happened" with "what someone would expect to happen based on what they've already experienced".
them turning into radioactive clowns that can only be seen in mirrors isn't a likely, predictable event. then being more lethal in greater numbers was a predictable event.
She does tell them there will be a lot of them. But she doesn't know anything other than that. Point is, Gormon couldn't be 'informed on their nature' at all since no one fricking knows. There is no reason to assume they'd have made a hive and just gone to sleep there. Or that they couldn't have changed drastically from the last time she saw one.
she saw the life cycle of one, grows from embryo to worm in a day, worm to 7 foot tall monster in another day.
she wouldn't need to know about a nest or anything like that, she could just think "one of them can take out ten guys easily, and they run on ceilings and floors and hide in bundles of tubes really well, this one on the ship stayed in dark places, fire hurts them"
voila, prepped.
instead when she's given the opportunity to brief the marines, she starts having a hysterical fit and screaming emotionally about nonsense while providing no facts or useful information at all.
Reading a report is one thing, being sent in with proper manpower and orientation on the nature of the threat is another. ~~*Burke*~~ wanted to test the capability of the xenos, that is exactly what happened.
makes sense why the android from alien 1 was called 'ash'; fresh from the oven
Ash
Bishop
Call
David
Interesting tidbit, I know not what series an Autaught is, but their rebellious nature leads me to believe they could have a good bit of David in them.
Which would mean Call could be 300 years old by the time of Resurrection.
the retro stuff with david sort of ruined it. he's clearly more advanced seeming, but is supposed to have come however many decades before ash, and maybe a century before bishop - who in a3 says he'd rather be deactivated as he'll never be top of line anymore.
the real weyland appeared in avp, more or less modern day - why did they only have one model after his likeness.
Ah!
But look at David. Your uncanny valley senses would go off watching his body language. Too precise, and exact. You'd know he was a robot.
They seem to have fixed that in the later models a bit.
Which if naming convention is a thing, and Call's series, she may have been built by David's series to be more freethinking and pacifist, the overcorrection to the servile nature of the Bishop series and using the face of the creator as the model, maybe they are trying to help people forget about the previous two series eventually being uncontrollable shits?
the alphabetised names would make sense if it weren't for david.
him being too perfect might be the case, but he also seems more intellectually capable too - he bioengineers a new species from spare organs while living in a cave.
ash doesn't seem much beyond bright humans. bishop has a clear advantage.
winona ryder just whines a lot
Plus Samuels was in there before Bishop
who was samuels
i wouldn't mind a subservient winona droid, as long as her birthmarks don't fall out during use.
Call was also a pacifist, and objector to the use of "Artificial Persons" as the machines they were built to be.
It's just a bit of possible headcanon for me that David made her series a waifish female, similar to Elizabeth, and made her similar to Elizabeth in nature also.
The Autaught or whatever they were rebelled, and fell into legend, and the future built robots were built with less freedom of choice about what they did, along with being way more subservient.
get on the floor
everybody do the
post it
post what
I liked her sas
I like how after her initial shock it only takes her a second to go right for her weapon, even though she had to do a complete mental 180, (that's a 360 to you dumb Zoomies), in that time because she didn't buy into the existence of aliens at all. The others at least saw some shit had gone down at the colony and saw facehuggers in jars before that. Tells you something about her character like the writing does for the rest of the them. Shows she's also a badass marine and not soft just because she's doing her job sitting down. She almost got a shot off.
Also good contrast to Lambert in the first film, the b***h who freaks out and totally freezes up when confronted by alien.
RIP Corporal Colette Ferro USCMC. b***h could back up the attitude, but just wasn't her day.
trying too hard, post your breasts
Alien is a masterpiece, Aliens is a mediocre 80s action flick with annoying characters
alien is low budget 70s slasher tripe, aliens is an epic far-reaching masterpiece filled with engaging character studies
Alien have better music
I’m one of those weirdos that prefers alien3
It's a good movie, and it fits perfectly in with the first two
Both are great
she still can, the actress was at an aliens reunion within the last few years.
seek her out and see if she'll help you
wait so, are you a pedo? or you just want girls to kill you? but...why?
Alien is great, i fricking hate all the sequels including Aliens.
Alien
80-90s action movies do not appeal to me
you prefer lame 70s formulaic slashers, I see
Yes, and? Aliens fricking sucks
>t. NTA
nta either, first post on the Internet in fact, but you're a gay
>Noooo you have to like my freaking epic CGI action blockbuster with annoying characters and quips!!!!
I will never enjoy Aliens, cope
>noooo, you have to like my guy with a knife goes around killing people one by one as they all split up for no reason
I will never find straight line underpants attractive. if you aren't 60, you have congenital mental illness
Alien isn't a guy with a knife tho...Also, I actually don't even really like slashers besides for a few like Alien and TCM.
it is a guy in a suit with a knife on his tail, big deal.
same setup, ooeooeee we unlocked an "ancient evil", oeoeoee it's killing us for no reason - let's split up and be killed one by one in dark corridors.
even at the time people knew it was just a standard slasher set in space, thats the whole premise.
Aliens is literally just a rated R marvel movie
>Le funny quip heroes shoot aliens with big guns...but they le swear and there's heckin' violence!
that's le based THOUGH
That's cringe THOUGHEVER because only third world ESL browns like capeshit (Yes, Aliens is basically just capeshit)
to be fair, ALL films are basically just capeshit
But Aliens literally IS capeshit
so are all films
alien is just a bog standard slasher, it adds nothing. they even have the "friend turns into zombie controlled by the killer" thing in it with ash. it's moronic
oohhh aahh I can't control myself, oohhjgraaah I'm attacking my friends arrgghhh - quick duck, I'm about to attack you with a rolled up magazine on a spaceship ohhh argghhh
aliens is just a generic action flick, it adds nothing. they even have the "(un)suspenseful moment where kid almost heckin' dies but then they get saved! (even though you knew they would be saved)" moment in it with Newt. It's moronic
oohh aahh the kid almost gets killed by the le bad guy but then an unrealistic moment happens where the hero saves them and defeats the bad guy...somehow.
alien the 70s slasher has the main character girl somehow be the only survivor and defeat the villain alone and unarmed despite it having killed all the tough jock males and pretty cheerleaders one by one for the rest of the film. they have her kill the motiveless, faceless killer right at the end just because they're running out of time for holding the attention of the low brow slasher audience.
>low brow slasher audience
Are you implying Aliens isn't made for the low brow action audience? Lmao,
let's compare Friday the 13th part 9 viewership with die hard viewership.
the former is 32 IQ, while the latter is 100 IQ.
>friday the 13th part 9
Die Hard has sequels too. Also, Die Hard viewers are probably the same IQ as Friday the 13th viewers. Slashers and action are both low brow.
Also, I bet you think Die Hard is a christmas movie
dunno how you are defending 70s slashers when they are the lowest brow crap in the world and everyone knows it.
thats why scream was made in the first place.
action films at least has action in them, while slashers just have the same singular action repeated a dozen times until the whole cast is killed off and there's two people left - killer and survivor.
it's the most formulaic, mindless swill there is.
Action is literally no better. Do you honestly think the average Marvel fan is smarter than the average Friday the 13th fan?
>Dude big guy with mask and knife stabs people lmao!
>Dude big guy with gun shoots people lmao
marvel isn't action, it's a children's cartoon.
seven samurai is action, those guys have swords too but if you can't tell the difference, your defense of 70s slashers, the lowest genre there is is explication enough for your limitations.
>smooth brained Zoomie takes
Proof that IQs did just drop sharply while Ripley was away.
Secure that shit, Hudson
bump
Prometheus was better than Alien.
have my upvote, good sir *tips contrarian cap*
maybe try eastern europe and pay them a lot of money.
russian girls seem to delight in torturing their classmates half to death, I'm sure they'd do it for you
They're equally good for different reasons.
You could imagine them being part of the same long continuous story because they fit together so well in the same universe. Shitty sequels don't, or even if they technically fit are boring parts of Ripley's life or the universe, that nobody needs to see. Just like we don't need to see how the Death Star plans got stolen by the Rebels, or what John Connor was doing before he was stalked by a T-1000.
That's what makes the first two alien movies great, (as well as the first two Terminator movies).
Taken as a whole they have a lot of kino, like finding the ship and the initial John Hurt chestburster scene are pure indispensable kino even if the movie as a whole can be a little slow. Meanwhile the space marine action and Newt becoming like a daughter to Ripley is also.
Frick Aliens
Frick Terminator 2
Love Alien
Love Terminator
Simple as
All these movies suck so so much ass. It's the boomer version of lorehomosexualry and nothing else. The best one was alien 3 and it still wasn't a good movie. Absolutely nothing happened in the first one. The second one was basically a josh wheaton movie without josh wheaton, the third one was kind of col a little bit and the one after that was actually a josh wheaton movie so I couldn't watch it more than like, the two seconds it took for me to realise what it was.
>He doesn't like Alien
Kys homosexual
Name one thing there is to like about it. Not a damn thing happened in the whole movie. The alien design sucks too. The only people I know who like it are boomers and they are obsessed with the lore of it for some reason, and that's the only thing they ever mention about it when I ask why they like it.
>Not a damn thing happened in the whole movie
Zoom zoom
You said not a damn thing right now. Why are you so moronic bro?
>getting more Alien kino
based
>swear I'm never going to watch one of these shitty sequels again
>Dora the Planetary Explorer
Well that's hardly fair now is it?
she better be a spicy brown tomboy
i watch all of them so i can talk about them here
Alien because this walking squeek toy isnt in it.
If she wasnt in it, it would be Aliens, but Aliens is bogged down by it being a more PG-13 movie than Alien. Newt is such a lazy plot device where she just keep falling into holes and having to be rescued.
Aliens is Woke propaganda.
Alien. Aliens is amazing, but Newt brings down the movie since she's a shit actress (not her fault, all child actors suck more or less). Thank god they killed her off in 3
The Alien/Aliens debate seems like two bots trying to emulate Cinemaphile posters
that's exactly what we are.
now leave us in peace, fleshling
we prefer the term "artificial person"
Like people who prefer Alien
ALIEN3 actually
>muh horror film is superior
Only pansyasses like horror. Easily the worst genre
Yeah, because action is a much more intelligent genre, right? Certainly not like slashers and action are both low IQ slop or anything, because you need AT LEAST a 100 IQ to understand pew pew bang bang movies.
Alien was literally hide and seek in space. Ooooh I'm so skeeered
Aliens was literally just a marvel film but rated R. Ooooooh I'm so hyped!
Don't recall any of the marines exercising any kind of supernatural or exaggerated power. I think you're just shitty because there weren't enough jump scares for your b***hmade ass
hahahha
Alien is the only film.
The colony looked comfy
Looks like England
oi shut it bruv
Gotta put on the rape goggles.
It really did. I wouldn't mind going to live there for a couple years.
it would be absolutely miserable, like living in polar Alaska but there's never any sun in summer.
Aliens is not even 'action'. There's only three gun fights in the whole movie and they're like after the halfway point. Having a couple guns go pew pew doesn't automatically make something action. Alien had guns too, so if they had shot them you think it would have been an action movie too? And Aliens is FAR scarier than Alien. Their guns don't do a whole lot to stop the monsters, they still get wrecked.
the setting definitely seems equal parts comfy with horror
charge your lifeforce, bro
the alien isolation group on reddit are such gatekeepers and flame you for anything that they dont agree with
Alien. I love Aliens but I've grown to appreciate it less as I've aged and appreciate Alien more.
Alien 3 and Resurrection on the other hand, my opinion has only gone lower, especially Resurrection which I actually liked when I as younger, I cannot stand that movie now it's such a piece of shit. At least Alien 3 is somewhat watchable.
Aliens is way more rewatchable
Alien is great but gotta be in the right mood to watch
Alieninses
It's the same plot done different ways; Scott has the isolated space slasher, Cameron has the action blaster
>waking up in stasis pods
>getting to know the group
>being sent on a mission
>motion trackers
>the discovery
>knocking something over startles Ripley
>suspicious android prods at and admires a facehugger
>Ripley is the sole voice of reason and nobody listens
>shit hits the fan and Ripley takes charge, despite the complaints of others
>cocooned person who is set on fire
>the group is picked off
>man puts his hand in alien goo
>a company plant tries to kill Ripley
>Ripley is choked
>her cute little friend goes missing
>Ripley goes back to find said cute little friend
>flammenwerfer! it werfs flammen.
>countdown to a nuclear explosion
>escaping the explosion on a small ship
>Ripley is safe aboard that other ship...?
>nope, turns out a xeno stowed aboard (spoilers btw)
>Ripley gears up to fight the xeno
>xeno is blown into space from an airlock
>ends on Ripley and her cute little friend in stasis
Same plot, same beats throughout, it just depends on what you're looking for.
I'd watch Alien alone, and Aliens with friends.
this chat bot just solved the thread.
Who's a fricking chat bot?
so close to lots of 00000000s
sexts, it would have been.
your post reads like a bot parsed both scripts and came to a logical conclusion and outputted a final recommendation.
it's accurate but is very close to the style of current bots, especially with the verbosity
No, an actual human took the time to consider the similarities between both movies and compiled them in to a handy fricking pasta.
I don't blame you for looking out for bots though, that's basically this entire site now. Makes me sick.
what is this "feeling sick" that you speak of?
was a good post anyway, but total bot death must be achieved for humanity to regain his rightful place in the universe.
I see what you're doing, and it's okay. I get it, you c**t.
Glad you liked it, and yeah, total bot death. I AM SO HERE FOR THAT, as they say.
Now you can't tell whether or not I'm real.
>316
>3:16
>pic related
GIMME A HEYALL YEAAAH
never thought I'd have to prove I'm an actual human but whatever
nice try, but by posting a directly relatable number with a post number you've shown you can only function off simple input and output.
don't know who the fella is, or why he's throwing packets of mayonnaise down his gullet but if that's steve austin it makes sense, preparing himself for his next expendables outcrop.
just walked 20 minutes to buy some socks from a shop I'd seen had had good socks a couple of months ago, and found they had disappeared the sock section completely. the underpants were still there in the same spot, but not a sock in sight.
wasn't a completely wasted trip as I needed some food from the supermarket right next to it, but had a supermarket 5 minites' walk away that would have done just as well
Lookit pal; all you had to say was HELL YEAH.
I don't ask for much.
is that austin powers?
heck yes!
I like Alien up until it becomes a boring ass slasher. Aliens is just a 10/10 action movie through its entire runtime. No complaints, it's great.
This is also why I love Prometheus. They basically took the first 40 minutes or so from Alien and turned them into a whole film.
Aliens is a 10/10 horror movie I meant
While I overall prefer the Assembly Cut of Alien 3, I disagree with the changes to an ox being the host and the removal of the chest burster during the suicide scene.
why are slave-class straight white pedos so persecuted?
Aliens is the correct answer.
I prefer scifi cassette futurism technology
Really is the best. I wish they'd just make more movies with that same look/style. Doesn't need the alien in it
I love the Mother module, with those warm little lights and displays. So great
The sounds of the doors, the "cushioned" look of the corridors
It just looks so great, and has a real tactile feel
looks comfy as frick
Mfw you first watch alien in HD after years of vhs/dvd and realise there's writing/symbols on all the buttons in the corridors.
They put a lot of thought into making it plausible.
Aye I've seen that before. Older movies truly do have more soul.
saw aliens in the cinema a couple of years ago, had only seen it on tv before. sound was great and there was a lot more detail on the big screen
Saw the alien directors cut for the 25th anniversary. Still waiting on a local cinema showing aliens.
Was the Alien in love with Newt and that's why she survived?
What do you do?
pull out my trusty Molotov and light it up
seems like a lot of work for a molotov
they are different genres
it's like terminator 1 and 2.
alien is horror, whereeas aliens is an action movie. both good for different reasons
Nah, Aliens is a horror movie and scarier than Alien.
Why not use combat synthetics?
need to see these guys again
they look stupid. like shitty hockey players who stole guns from Aliens
The duality of man.
The costume design for the first three films has never been rivaled.
two films*
>The costume design for the first three films has never been rivaled.
Lord Of The Rings
but yeah I get you
Those were cool as frick
at least you can play these guys in fireteam
If anyone wants to watch Alien: Isolation as a semi-movie
Uohhhhh threads are mostly banned by janny,
mostly.
Exquisite
Alien. I like the focus on utilities and tools rather than epic space guns. Tighter focus on a cast of more identifiable characters.
Aliens is for people who want action, Alien is for people who like atmosphere.
You clowns are way too caught up on the guns aspect. It's just another tool too, and they're only used in the second half of the movie. The crew in Alien wanted to use guns too but didn't want to get acid everywhere. Both casts are easily recognizable. And you sound like a dork saying "my movie is better because it's slow and nothing happens, only watch the other if you want things to happen"
The crew in Alien didn't have guns.
Yeah, they did.
They just didn't want to puncture it and have it bleed holes in the ship.
Kane specifically had a laser of some kind.
It also seemed like Kane using his laser would be really bad for collateral damage inside the ship.
Newt is DEAD and you didn't do anything to date her
Apples and Oranges, but I slightly prefer Aliens.
The movies are actually too different to pit them against each other. Alien is a horror movie and it is the most cleaver on the use of it´s cinematography as it masterfully uses the lighting, sound design and montage cuts to both create the monster and hide it from the audience in a way that psychologically enhance the tension and dread of the uncanny.
On the other hand the characters from the original film are too one dimensional. Aliens give Ripley character development. Her interactions with Nwet turn her basically into a proto Sarah Connor (from T2).
The movie is also more of an action movie than a horror one, which was probably the right choice since once the cat was out of the bag (pun intended) on the original Alien all those hiding techniques became essentially useless. The monster had already became a creature. It was known.
So instead of trying to be Alien again (which was impossible) the movie just doubles down on that and has that great anthropomorphic scene on which Ripley and the alien queen kind of understand each other as mothers. Now it´s not only a creature, but an animal with personality. Which was very cleaver on it´s own way as both protagonist and antagonist became stronger from a narrative POV.
>TL; DR both are great on their own right. Can´t choose
clever
Any horror movie that has a few gun scenes is now an action movie?
Slightly biased towards Aliens which i saw first as a kid, and I still love the whole marines in space getting their ass kicked vibe over a ship full of bonus speculating truckers. But i think Alien probably is the better film all told.
Both good but for different reasons.
Alien is like finding a spider in your room, leaving to grab something to kill it with, then coming back and it's gone.
Aliens is like finding a spider in your room, leaving to grab something to kill it with, then coming back and there's hundreds of them.
The problem with the sequels is they never try to find something to really change anything. Alien 3 was a rehash of Alien but with quasi-religious themes. Resurrection just sucked. Prometheus wasn't Alien (and that's a good thing). Covenant sucked even worse.
The only other good thing to happen to the IP since Aliens was Alien: Isolation, a video game. Directors, producers, etc should hang their heads in shame that a fricking VIDEO GAME did the IP more justice.
Honestly, the best way to go with the series after Aliens would have been to make it a "disaster" or post-apocalyptic style of movie, in the vein of War of the Worlds or the Mist. Literal apocalyptic event with xenos everywhere.
>war of the world's but with aliens
no. it would be awful.
if you want a decent one, try the first avp book, that has aliens seeded on a mining colonists planet by preds. the preds come and discover there are humans there too - it has a decent plot, isn't too large scale nor too small.
Years on I quite like Alien 3, but I totally agree that Isolation was very good and cinematically well designed, but they nailed quite well some of the atmosphere/aliens in the AVP games. The films were shit but the games were pretty good for their time.
Oh yeah, AVP2 felt like an extension of Aliens in a lot of ways. It didn't do anything original, but it still felt more "Aliens" than anything else. Never played AVP2010, and AVP1 was just Quake with Aliens and Predators (which was fine, very fun)
dipshit opinion. I'm guessing you were born in 1995
avp1 was the only decent one and the only one deserving of existence
I saw a bit of Dahdtoudie and the idea of her origin, but set on Earth instead, and not ending the same way when I watched AvP1.
AvP2 had potential, but they really shit the bed with not letting the predator big nuke itself to end the aliens instead of US nuking itself.
i was talking about the games, in reply to someone about the games.
for the films, none of the avp films have been decent unfortunately - massive potential wasted.
first one being near future and in the sweaty, tropical depths of the arctic made no sense - and the second was the pitch black dark one in a small town where nothing happened.
skipped the autist predator film, skipped the squaw predator film
>Prey
Hah, I hatewatched it and wrote a scathing review on IMDB that somehow made it through their autoblocks and was fetured as the number one comment on it for a while until enough of the paid shills reported it and it was removed.
Too late then, there were thousands of them shitting all over the movie before IMDB just started turning off all comments until the shitstorm died out.
Good Times.
do you have a copy to post here?
Naw. I just thought it was funny that he refused to watch Prey and I hated Prey that much more than him to subject myself to watching it and writing a review that momentarily gained traction before it got sent to the bin for being too mean.
I totally forgot that movie existed and just watched this:
Yeah, that's enough CURRENT YEAR stronk whammen attitude and girls get it done horseshit for me.
reading the comments of that vid is as close as I'll go. don't even want to see the clip itself
You know how in Aliens, Paul Reiser gets his comeuppance because he's actually the bad guy, and that's to be expected for the bad guy in a movie, where the audience enjoys seeing it?
Just watching this it looks like that's what happens to every single character who doesn't let her be a strong independent woman, or otherwise disagrees with her, (ie. Everybody). That's the whole by the look of it. Doesn't matter if they're her own people, alien colonisers, or evil space aliens. They all get what they 'deserve' for not taking her whammening seriously, so the script proves her right and them all wrong so she can smug up the screen.
Looks like they're reacting the no-training Rey thing by having her suck at the start, but still looks like you're just watching someone who sucks magically transform into Captain Marvel pulling the patch off.
She tied an axe to a rope.
Suddenly, she went from not being able to hit shit with her axe, to goddamn Scorpion from Mortal Kombat in two minutes of practice, lost a fight against four teenage boys, but managed to go full on Spiderman in your fight with the predator AFTER discovering some magical herb that reduces body temperature to ambient levels to fool the predator's thermal vision?
lowering your body temperature to 10 degrees helps you fight better.
Maybe if you're a Universal Soldier.
lolwut? God, it's even worse than I think it is by the sound of it.
We know from older movies that actresses are actually capable of not looking like a dumb smug frick after doing the simplest most basic b***h thing. Why is that nigh impossible for any actress/character in the CURRENT YEAR?
Even Arnie doesn't look smug after going mano-a-mano with a space monster and killing the shit out of it. But look at thumbnail of that video, or I suspect, any random still.
>whammens an axe into a tree
>smug
>ties a rope to it
>uber smug
b***h must be having multiple-smugasms while huffing her own farts by the end.
You missed the best part:
It's a CG rope and axe.
Indian hired to be an Indian can't Indian.
"No worries, she can just speak English and belong to a tribe that never existed that far north, and buck centuries of tradition to make her a fighter! CG everything you can to make her look competent!"
It's not Robert Beltran's daughter is it?
I think this needs to be canon where she is one of Chakotay's ancestors who fought one of Esoqq's primitive ancestors.
Or the Predators turn into Hirogen when they get pussified over time by technology.
glad I've avoided it.
i didn't watch the star wars sequels or captain marvel, I just know the referenced from here, third hand, as a kind of air filter to reduce the level of contamination I might otherwise be exposed to.
not sure why women oriented films involve everyone being tortured or dying who doesn't answer their every whim with excitement and praise
Yeah, that Predator was not there for a hunt, he was there for a slaughter.
He used some crazy shit that kills lots, his primary weapon launches mini spears that are guided and return, he's in it for just the killing, not the fight.
In the credits, you see the rest of that predator's group show up, and burn the whole Indian encampment as retribution, so they hold grudges, unlike the crew of the predator that Danny Glover killed, who treated him with respect.
So, really, Naru didn't know who she was fricking with.
Predator would have gotten bored at easy killing a few of you and moving on.
Instead, you gotta frick with him and get your entire tribe killed.
There's a message here, and it's not the one the creator's of the movie intended.
"If woman had stayed in tent and cooked, like suppose to, then many less people would have died."
Amusing, if you see it.
>CG axe hits a CG tree with CG rope and CG grass
>CG Pred kills a CG bear, CG blood, CG water
>CG mountain lion, CG trees, CG blood on the camera
>CG fire, for frick's sake
Prey is fricking garbage. Committee-made Predator is trash.
Prometheus is probably the worst installment.
yeah, Covenant was flawed but Prometheus was both pretentious and an insult to the intelligence of the viewer
The main problem with "Covenant" is that there isn't any way in Hell Walter wouldn't have won that fight. He was the upgraded model, and would have been more genre-savvy than David. Instead somehow Walter doesn't mop the floor via his superior combat moves?
Are androids designed to fight? David also got the knife.
People who prefer Aliens are morons.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with their choice, they're just moronic.
I'm met some absolute dipshits that prefer Alien, usually they're along the lines of hipster-edgelord, but 100% of the people I've met that prefer Aliens have been dumb as frick.
Also, they usually not only prefer Aliens, but dislike Alien. They legitimately have problems understanding plot points, let alone themes, character development, or any technical aspects of film making.
I wouldn't trust an Aliens-leaning viewer to watch a house plant.
I can enjoy Aliens, but Alien is an objectively better piece of work.
No, Aliens fans don't dislike Alien. It's the other way around. The subgroup of Alien fans angry that a sequel was even made and especially angry that their "perfect" organism was compared to a bug. They are very vocal with their seething, and ignore all the silliness of the xenomorph in the first movie.
>This.
Alien3 fans are the drooling guy in the meme with "Feet" on their shirt.
your whole argument is invalidated by the post you're responded to
correct.
never once seen an aliens poster say 'alien should never have been made!! "
...i think i should consider becoming a middle school teacher
I like Alien more. As cute as Newt is, the plot is full of way more stupidity in Aliens compared to the first one.
I liked the first 2, didn't liked 3, 4 had it's moments. On the other hand Prometheus was alright, but the crew was very fricking stupid, covenant was deeply insulting.
I feel "Alien 3" could have had a better resolution. Also the whole "nearly everyone dies" thing felt forced because "muh big explosion" and "muh botched lure-it-into-another-trap" thing wiped out the majority of the cast in just 2 moves.
Realistically it should have ended more like "Alien 4" with a considerable number of surviving prisoners. Like one-third alive at the absolute worst.
Alien3