What is it about original Macross that hits me in the feels so hard? I happen to be a hopeless romantic. Anybody else get hit in the feels while watching the original Macross? Not just the love triangle stuff but the UNDERSTANDING that happens between human and zentraedi hits me hard in the feels too.
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SDF was so fricking awful. It did not deserve to spawn a franchise. VOTOMS did not warrant a franchise but at least the show itself was excellent.
>SDF was so fricking awful
please provide some reasons
>SDF was so fricking awful
Nope. Stop reading right there.
SDF
DYRL
Flashback
Plus
are the only good ones.
Aw come on, 7 and zero aren't THAT bad...
But yeah everything after zero isn't even watchable
7 is heavily acquired taste and zero is decent standalone material (scratched my itches for loregayging at least)
The two decades since Zero's release really soften people's opinion. When it came out people hated it partially because it didn't follow what little lore was established.
zero is dogshit, complete waste of the premise
Agreed, it did suck
Was there ever a time on /m/ where you could actually discuss Macross without some mouthbreather shitposting all over the thread? It really is a great show and deserved much better.
Most likely all the years before Delta came out kek, the entire franchise has been paying for the sins of the bastard child since 2016, these threads are killed off or are constantly on life support from the lack of posts outside of "X was bad!" "everything bad but SDF and Frontier!" "What should I watch?" and other timeloops. Hardly any generic conversation anymore
It's a classic trope, but something about seeing it done in an old fashioned, operatic style during a time it would've been considered an Avant Garde direction got me into it. Even more so when you find out later that it wasn't only a culture shock but an awakening of their old, latent biology. They had a way with keeping you gripped in the progression (until they threw a wrench and frick up the last third of the show)
>no posts in hours
case in point
>trope
Die.
??? you gonna elaborate or just be rude? It's a perfectly fine word for describing the dynamics in the writing OP mentioned unless there's some unspoken shit I don't know about
it would explain why everything's so damn polarizing despite all being in the same franchise
>??? you gonna elaborate or just be rude? It's a perfectly fine word for describing the dynamics in the writing OP mentioned unless there's some unspoken shit I don't know about
he probably won't. Zoomies have come to hate the idea of using single words to describe concepts. Espically if they are used by people online to criticize anything they like.
To make it more delicious, they probably use words like woke and troon unironically as if their buzzwords are some how better than preexisting buzzwords.
Unbearable. I know a guy who everytime Macross is mentioned says that it sucks and MOSPEADA is better, but say one single fricking word against an anime he likes and he throws such a tantrum that it ruins your whole afternoon.
You don't like Macross, we get it, can the rest of us have a conversation among adults?
>Unbearable. I know a guy who everytime Macross is mentioned says that it sucks and MOSPEADA is better, but say one single fricking word against an anime he likes and he throws such a tantrum that it ruins your whole afternoon.
>You don't like Macross, we get it, can the rest of us have a conversation among adults?
sounds like a Robotech fan. MOSPEADA is actually pretty bland with the original OST. The opening kicks ass, but songs used in the show are inferior to the ost for robotech imo. On the other hand, the US robotech minmay songs are inferior to the japanese ones. And minmay and lisa are less likable in english.
So yeah, that sounds like some ding dong that only watched the robotech release on toonami and decided they didnt like macross because they found the love triangle annoying.
Anyway....DO YOU REMEMBER!?! THAT OLD LOLABUY.
b-but some anime youtuber that thinks Eva is good said Macross has the worst animation ever
>said Macross has the worst animation ever
SDF has some of the worst animation ever AND some of the best animation of its respective decade at various points
There's some crazy detail in the first five seconds if you go through it frame by frame. Nude paintings and posters inside apartments, people sitting in a cafe watching the action happening, fully detailed interiors that appear for one or two frames, the thruster flame distorting colors and shapes... genuine insanity.
I'm a Robotechgay cause it was what I grew up with, but it had a definite impact on my life. Finally sat down and watched it as Macross last year. There were a couple parts I liked better, even if I prefer what for me is the 'Original'. This episode is just great. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, but some things are good no matter what.
This episode is by far one of my favorites. I used to rewind this exact part over and over lol. Max is such a badass.
anime was able to look like this in '83?
Macross has some of the worst animation from early 80s and some of the greatest animation from early 80s as well.
It's a shame they were strapped for cash at times and had to outsource to foreign studios.
Itano did some of his all-time greatest work on the original Macross TV series. It's always morons posting the knife fight gif or something and outing themselves as completely clueless or not having watching the show in the first place.
I think that despite all the tragedy what Macross offers is hope. Many times we watch works where everyone falls and rises again; well, in Macross humanity is decimated, the planet is rendered almost inhabitable, but even in that situation, the most dire you could imagine, there's survivors. And it's not only people, but culture as well. And with that live comes hope. If the Earth is gone, let's go to the stars. No matter how grim things are, think the unthinkable and let hope guide you to a better future.
That might be one of the reasons most of the sequels suck. After Earth is destroyed there's not much that you can do that can affect humans on a larger scale except complete extinction of the race.
Yeah it's a nice twist on Yamato.
I disagree. Plus is one of the better Macross entries because it focuses on a smaller scale.
I said "most". I didn't say all.
Plus is great and one of the reasons is that it doesn't try to do the same thing again.
This scene from E36 is one of the best things in the history of film and nothing even comes close.
just the very thought of this brings tears to my eyes...
for me i think it's because it earns it, its not one big epiphany moment, even with lyn's music, but the slow process of cultural exposure and underground ideas disseminating organically through the zentradi fleet. and it's not a clean perfect process either
It wasn't written by Kawamori so imo the heavyhandedness to its themes as well as the overemphasis to spectacle isn't present compared to say shows like Delta.
Macross was not a good show and i'm sick of pretending it is.
care to list reasons?
Mostly just the characters, like yeah the animation is ugly for its human/humanoid characters, but the main focus is on a love triangle consisting of two highly unlikeable morons and Misa, some of the side characters like the captain, max,and roy are nice, but the show isn't about them, I don't think I hated a protagonist more then Hikaru and it took until me checking out the movie to think positively of him, but the movie is not the tv show.
You sound immature.
hey movie Hikaru is perfectly fine, but he's kinda a wishy washy c**t in the show, he just isn't boyfriend material let alone marriage.
He's a kid.
lemme guess, you would've been a shining beacon of manhood at 16 during an intergalactic space war
what happened post space war is honestly no one's fault. like another anon said here, they really dropped the ball on the last few episodes. Hikaru had already let go of Minmay but of course had to get dragged along for more tension one last time because "why not"
its honestly that last part that sours me on Hikaru as a whole even if he eventually makes the right choice in the end.
It's a 27 episode show that had extra episodes forced onto it by dumb producers. Just pretend the last cour doesn't exist like the creators originally envisioned.
They envisioned a lot of shit that wasn't in the show like the Supervision Army returning, the SDF-1 using asteroids like a ball and chain, and Hikaru dying at the end in a plane accident just like his father. Kawamori has said many times Macross wasn't the show they originally wanted to make. He put a lot of sleepless weeks into it but let's not pretend every piece of media isn't a compromise.
They got some unexpected funding and green light to have a few more episodes. Believe it or not it's hard to make a show.
I like Hikaru, but those episodes after the space war made him god fricking awful.
regardless of how it came about the idea of a post-war arc is great imho, showing the growing pains of peace and adjustment
yeah, it was a beautiful concept, just set up and executed very poorly
eh they did what they could with what they had
I think that the post-war part of it was actually pretty good.
It shows you how Earth was fricked beyond redemption. How some aliens adjusted while some wanted to go back to their old ways. Everyone's life was fricked up.
What they screwed up was the love triangle. But many other things were really fine.
I just finished watching Macross last night and yeah, this is it. The idea of the epilogue was fine. I really liked all the stuff with the Zentradi struggling to adjust to peace and some of them not being able to do it. I liked seeing humanity rebuild and try to work out their own issues. Kamujin and La Lapmiz going all "yeah we have culture now but let's frick shit up anyway" was great. I even liked Kaifun and Minmay's relationship going rocky and Minmay not knowing what to do with herself now. It made sense for her to throw herself at Hikaru, under the circumstances.
The problem was that Hikaru couldn't stick to Misa and seemed to be reciprocating to Minmay, which didn't make a lick of sense. Trying to relate to her as a friend in need and not quite being able to set solid boundaries, sure. Still having her posters all over the walls and an album of her pictures...that was weird.
This scene was amazing and redeemed practically the entire thing, though.
>The problem was that Hikaru couldn't stick to Misa and seemed to be reciprocating to Minmay, which didn't make a lick of sense. Trying to relate to her as a friend in need and not quite being able to set solid boundaries, sure. Still having her posters all over the walls and an album of her pictures...that was weird.
My interpretation of this is that now that they're back on earth, it's time to attempt to return to life (or pretend) like it was before the war. I know technically they wouldn't have met if not for the zentraedi invasion but they're relationship technically began on earth before knowing what the coming years and the war would bring.
Hikaru is such a fricking idiot. That's why I like the character so much.
Haha me too. I can relate because I too am a complete idiot when it comes to women.
I think it did a lot to make subsequent Macross from just bringing Zentradi Remnant #53914 Fire sequels like Gundam
*for sequels
Hikaru goes through a whole character arc and becomes a totally different person by the end of the show. Which part are you referring to exactly?
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This is what I don't get. When talking about Macross, people will often complain about the mains and then say someone like Roy is cool. Roy is a loud idiot in Macross who doesn't act military at all.
no one and none of the institutions act military at all, why would that be an issue
Because it's one of the instances where they clearly improved something in Robotech. The show feels much more like people are actually in the service.
In Macross, Roy is a loud idiot. In Robotech he comes off like a chill ace cool big brother who you could actually see as an officer. In Macross it's like they periodically forget they're all supposed to be military except for Minmay but I guess that makes sense since it was written by Japanese nerds.
>muh military
Go back troon.
Frick you and your stupid buzzwords, homosexual. Either state your problem or shitpost better.
now now this is supposed to be a thread about love and understanding in Macross. We're all the same species here so let's try to love each other OK?
how did he get a cigarette that big?
>now now this is supposed to be a thread about love and understanding in Macross. We're all the same species here so let's try to love each other OK?
god, I just realized how lucky we were to get macross 1 and dyrl before the internet. Could you imagine the pissing and moaning about it being liberal propaganda? Roy with a black woman? Max and Myria being a really pro interracial marriage message? And holy shit at the false out rage at Robotech and a dude cross dressing
I mean it could very quickly go both ways for example, when they specifically described kissing and such as an action between man and a woman, but i get your point. They were truly spared from the spiritual, political, and societal warzones we bare today. I'm sure Basara's no violence resolve hit home with the hippies for years
I'm not even a hippie but I'm on board with Macross' message 100%. Truth transcends politics.
nah they'd mostly get a pass for being cute girls, people don't mind anywhere near the same when it's guy x exotic girl
Americans have gotten completely mindbroken.
wish I could've saw all of this stuff when it came out instead of not knowing about it for so long....everyone's lenses are so damn foggy and muddled with smoke and mirrors
Miscegenation shit is almost always (Except for turbo autists) "It's okay if our men are doing it, it's not okay if their men are doing it". So Roy is gigachad to get ebony pussy and Myria (if I am remembering right and she's the zentradi) is "BIG LADY SUGOII". Mister look up the sky is falling (Lonely soldier boy is also based but sky is falling is great) would definitely stoke the butthurt, even though he's clearly just 80s glam rock androygeny. David bowie rather than trans. It is really unfortunate anything gender-weird now will get pigeon holed because I always liked the classic androgynous but still clearly male villain archtype.
Not that lone dancer or whatever his name is was a villain, just speaking in broad strokes.
I have to admit when I went back and saw some snippets of Invid Saga (Watched it and the zentradi stuff, but dubbed) it did not age really nicely. By comparison when I saw lodoss war it still felt great - but also was like 40% still-frames. But like
said there are some moments where it just fricking wows you.
As for the resonance it had, it just feels like the quintessential top-gun anime. With that cheezy 80s vocal music and the presence of minmei it's such a nice period piece in a way that gundam of the time does not feel as much like. And it was also like topgun a romance story masquerading as a war film.
Also F14s.
And frickin bike power armor that lets you ride and then fight. If you don't think that's the titest shit to a little kid watching it get out of my face.
did you watch it as macross or robotech? The voices impact the characterization a lot
Whenever I try to mention Macross to my zoomer friends (being one myself), they always blow it off because of the character designs "look ugly." I don't get it.
Even the later Macrosses?
Like Frontier and Delta are pretty contemporary in terms of chara design, how'd they bounce off those?
guess they'd rather have those sleek, polished seizure inducing designs that flash 6 different colors a second on your screen, can't trust a zoomer to not have a high attention span or lower standards due to what's considered popular these days, sounds like they can't even comprehend older animations
>and i'm sick
Frick off template poster, no one takes you seriously.
>Do you remember love?
I have never forgotten about it
Seriously thought wtf was up with that space fish
Are you moronic.
Big tuna that was in the water near South Ataria and got scooped up when the Macross folded. Duh.
I really like how he grows and changes. He still makes some dumb moves in the post-war arc, but he wises up by the end.
>indifferent toward macross
>love macross plus
What the hell is wrong with me
Also, the three spies being named Warewa Rori Konda is fricking hilarious and based.
Same. Also I was just watching Dynamite 7 and Basara singing to the whale gets me every time.
>Macross 7
Personally has the most soul to me...Mylene...
>Dynamite 7
I've never seen that! I've only watched the original 7 series. It's good? Isn't there another OVA?
If you liked 7 at all, you'll probably like Dynamite 7. The other OVA you mention is probably the, uh, I think they called it a 'theatrical episode', which was basically just a stand alone episode with more budget and same deal as Dynamite. Watch them both, I say.
The Macross 7 movie was so short because it was shown as a double bill with the Plus movie.
Makes sense.
Hikaru is perfectly fine throughout most of the show and has a good arc and solid development. Post-War made me fricking loathe him though.
Please tell me they finally release Glow in the Dark synth version
Please
I fricking wish
Akira Kamiya's performance
do zoomers really
shitflinging bc the show that obviously deviates from the status quo, didn't tickle their fancy, stupidity
So everyone agrees that most Macross sequels are shit and that Kawamori can't write or direct his way out of a paper bag. My question is, why the hell did he not get called back to do any of them?
No, not everyone agrees with that.
Even he admitted he didn’t contribute much to the original series other than acting as the adult to corral these feisty youngsters. Also he did Orguss right after and that wasn’t too great unless you like cuckoldry.
are you daryl surat
I like all macross series. Some are just better or more impactful than others.
how would you rank them?
NTA but here's my ranking based on subjective taste and which ones I'd watch again
SDFM
Macross 7
Zero
Frontier
Plus
D*lta
can you say you truly liked delta if you go so far as to partially blot its name?
ok. that's my one braindead post for the day.
kek, it's alright bro
OVA or movie for Plus?
if i could I would blend the two together. movie does some structural stuff i didn't like, but it has extended scenes that really improved over what they were in the OVA.
>that intro scene in the OVA where Isamu is just wasting rogue zentraedi left and right and being obnoxious about it
man I love that
OVA
Minmay got Stalin-style unpersoned internationally thanks to israelitemoney Gold. At least thanks to that we get to see Sharon Apple's breasts.
well looks like I'm getting the japanese version...
Nope, not actually anything to do with Harmony Gold. It's because it's DYRL.
People tend to forget the time HG also claimed merchandising rights to DYRL (which includes video games) and continually release toys with that branding.
It actually has everything to do with Harmony Gold unsurprisingly
No it doesn't, DYRL is 'prohibited' because it's stuck in legal limbo outside Japan. Nobody including HG has it's rights, it's literally unreleasable currently.
This has been known since HG and BW announced the whole license partnership deal
DYRL isn't included in the base game of Shooting Insight in the Japanese release either by the way
Literally Harmony Gold release merchandise with DYRL branding and maintain the copyright. Stop thinking they're victims.
>DYRL isn't included in the base game of Shooting Insight in the Japanese release either by the way
Trust me, that's the least of my issues with HG
>DYRL isn't included in the base game of Shooting Insight in the Japanese release either by the way
The physical version includes it. I'm guessing the only reason it's paid DLC for the digital version is because they were too lazy to make separate digital versions for Japan and the rest of the world.
Makes me think the physical version will be Japanese only, which is ass because I was going to import it.
>At least thanks to that we get to see Sharon Apple's breasts.
Need to see HG facilities being eviscerated via artillery line, frickin hell man...I was just thinking about what Macross games to try out before noticing a frick ton of them are exclusives and probably on console
>they moved Freya and Sara inwards to cover Sharon's breasts in updated main visuals
Lol.
>l-love?
no
What is actually holding HG up now? Is it just purely Robotech dvd sales? Last I heard of them trying to do something new it was this weird chink sci fi series about a submarine that they dubbed the first episode of that they showed off at a con to basically no applause whatsoever
hell if I know, they'll probably get a boost from finally releasing most of the animes and OVAs to the west though, saving their thin skin
Isn't their actual main source of income from real estate while the "animation" side is the equivalent of patent trolls nowadays?
They keep claiming they're working on a live action macross/robotech movie. And I think the comics have had some moderate success. But yeah it's basically a pittance they keep up just to spite the original creators since 99% of their money comes from money laundering via real estate.
>Isn't their actual main source of income from real estate while the "animation" side is the equivalent of patent trolls nowadays?
probably realestate money laundering. Maybe even organized crime.
Which is depressing to think that robotech and its fans might have been used for years to cover for organized crime on the west coast.
I always thought she was a spoiled brat but this scene made me feel bad for her
She essentially became more frivolous and oblivious than "spoiled" in my opinion, she was absolutely having her ass worked off during the performer shit and the moment her safety nets were swept out from under, she naturally crumbled instantly having no one to hang on to. Wish she could've been reeled in some other way besides heartbreak and abandonment, but alas life is the best teacher sometimes. Would've been a lovely lady to write songs for
Post more Macross webms
I always thought she looked so cute in that coat. Love her hair too.
her casual outfits were always lovely, yet simple
still have a bit of a soft spot for her ngl
funny to say I fell in love as a kid and still to this day hope to meet someone like her in real life - I know it sound fricking silly
>I mentioned both girls in my post
uhhhh which one anon? Either way I'd agree, they both appeal to me in a 70/30 ratio (favor of Misa)
she looks like she's from Galaxy Express 999 here
Fellow Macross fans, don't you guys think there's just something special about it? Sure the animation wasn't always consistent and just outright bad in some scenes (they had to outsource to a Korean animation studio). Despite all the negatives it's got it where it counts and the only word I can use to to describe it is "heart" or "soul". It has a warmth to it that I can't describe with words. They just don't make 'em like this anymore...
i think the general message is hopeful and rather romantic, so it makes you feel that way. I definitely understand what you mean, I feel the same quite often