>do you think anyone in hiroshima or nagasaki gives a shit who built the bomb?
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>do you think anyone in hiroshima or nagasaki gives a shit who built the bomb?
>do you think anyone in hiroshima or nagasaki gives a shit who built the bomb?
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Was he supposed to look like the bad guy here?
Literally every goverment official in this movie ends up a bad guy
Leslie Groves honestly comes across like such a bro. He probably ends the movie looking more morally upright than the majority of the characters
But he still "betrays" Oppenheimer during the security meeting.
He didn't.
Truman was the bad guy but only because he was weak. He should have dropped bombs all over the USSR and finished what hitler started, and sent the B29s to flatten maos strongholds in china.
This is true. Truman missed a unique opportunity to destroy communism in the Soviet Union and China. Stalin was just as bad as Hitler, only that Stalin’s death camps and genocides were never globally condemned. The Kremlin should have been nuked for the sake of world peace and avoiding the Cold War
Stalin was fricking worse with his kill count
Mao killed more people than died in WW2 by killing some fricking sparrows
Stalin had hundreds of aircraft with bubonic plague ready to fly one way.
what is it with Americans and thinking nuclear explosions are going to make the world a better place to live lol you're all batshit frickwits
eternal cope from a europoor who let some random rag startup country become to world power and forces them to do whatever they like specifically because of the bomb ending ww2
power is the only thing that exists, all else follows from it
>blah blah blah I'm a fat moron and fantasizing about blowing up city centers is the only thing that keeps me from turning my constitutionally protected firearms against myself
The US is the only country that has used nukes though, wtf do you mean fantasizing
Humanity has enjoyed the longest sustained period of worldwide relative peace in history thanks to nuclear weapons. Whatever country you live in, you likely owe your very existence, in some way, to American strength.
You're welcome.
>Humanity has enjoyed the longest sustained period of worldwide relative peace in history thanks to nuclear weapons.
Wut?
>Korean War
>Vietnam War
>Iraq War 1 and 2
>Afganistan War
>numerous military operations like bombing Libya, Grenada, etc
>North Korea invaded South Korea
>The Vietcong start a coup against South Vietnam's government
>Iraq invaded Kuwait
>al-Qaeda terrorists attacked America. They were able to plan and execute such a horrific attack because their Taliban hosts had given them safe haven in Afghanistan
Shlomo I can smell your nose from here
This is maybe the least historically literate post on Cinemaphile which is a pretty moronic board. Something like the 30 years war was vastly vastly more horrific as a percent of population than WW1 or WW2, and this was just how war went. The period after WW2 IS the most peaceful period of human history, since the invention of the nation state.
You need to compare casualties proportionally to population. There have been numerous small wars in history.
It worked with Japan, which emerged from the horrible tragedy of a nuclear attack to become a peaceful, successful country. russia literally has tens of thousands of nuclear weapons and it’s an irrelevant, third-rate, decaying shithole invading weak neighboring countries to steal their land and resources and commit war crimes.
bongs got poo'd
two for flinching
Masses that are indoctrinated with their culturual and biological superiority to other human need something to cool them off.
A full invasion(Germany) or nuclear attack(Japan) will make them touch grass once again. Both countries are now peaceful with good economy.
To be fair we did ask them to stop waging war by dropping leaflets first when Germany was invading Poland lol.
>Roosevelt was a naive cuck who trusted Stalin
>Churchill was a stupid cuck who against his insticts tries to broker a deal with devil #2
>Truman was an idle cuck who never seized the oppurtunity in stamping out commie authoritarian states. We pay the toll now with Putin's Russia and Xi's China.
How come the western leaders were so fricking bad in ww2!?
The US would not have accepted war with the USSR, and neither Truman, nor even a living Roosevelt, who was the most powerful man in history, could have gathered enough political support for a war with the USSR. The US governemnt was worried it would lose support to even finish off Japan.
he was mean
just like real life
Since when have US presidents ever cared about civilian deaths?
>Was he supposed to look like the bad guy here?
No, Colonel Sanders.
Nah. Oppenheimer does have the tendency to drown in self-pity and multiple people call him out for that. Truman was also right that he's the one who bore all the weight of the decision and will be the one to bear the consequences, not Oppy.
Not at all. He says exactly the same things he has been saying all along and stays honest and 100% true to his principles.
the "it's not about you" part was actually solid psychological advice.
someone would have developed a bomb eventually and Oppenheimer's premise that America not making a H-bomb would mean the Soviets wouldn't was pretty naive.
Why did he turn into a pussy when the Korean War happened?
He wasn't. A pussy would have stopped once they liberated South Korea. Truman gave MacArthur the go ahead to retake the entire Korean peninsular but the senile homosexual fricked it up and wanted to use nukes to cover up how bad of a general he was.
>"you frickin made the damn thing, might as well put it to good use! Get the frick out of my office you frickin crybaby!
Frick dude, colonial Sanders just gaped that little nerds ass.
truman was right about everything associated with the bomb and end of ww2
>give it back to the indians
jesus frick man i hate hollywood so much its unreal
Is the color footage subjective POV or the b/w? I keep mixing them up
color is subjective from Oppie's POV
B/w is objective/Strauss POV.
Okay, I get it, we're killing millions to save billions, but why the second bomb?
What were they gonna do, just not use the second one? Seems like a waste, I mean they already had it.
To show the rest of the world that we didn't just build one.
first time i've ever head that, that is a really good point
And I thought that mock-ups were blown up during nuclear tests.
sometimes I forget there are actually clever anons on this board.
Truman wanted a third which was going to be ready in a few months.
the movie adressed this though. The second bomb was a sign that they'll keep bombing until the Japs surrender.
But why not a third? Why not a fourth?
should've been two more you mean?
Japan still didnt surrender after the first one. The second one was basically >we can keep doing this until Japan is obliterated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan
>The Japanese Army and Navy had their own independent atomic-bomb programs and therefore the Japanese understood enough to know how very difficult building it would be. Therefore, many Japanese and in particular the military members of the government refused to believe the United States had built an atomic bomb, and the Japanese military ordered their own independent tests to determine the cause of Hiroshima's destruction.[85] Admiral Soemu Toyoda, the Chief of the Naval General Staff, argued that even if the United States had made one, they could not have many more.[86] American strategists, having anticipated a reaction like Toyoda's, planned to drop a second bomb shortly after the first, to convince the Japanese that the U.S. had a large supply.[49][87]
tl;dr, oh you think we can only do that once?
Japan explicitly did not surrender after the first you clueless dumbfricks
Japan again rejected unconditional surrender after the first bomb
this zoomer was too moronic to simply google commonly known WW2 history before making this pointless post
always double tap.
Truman kicking that fairy Oppenheimer out of his office was probably the best scene in the film.
>JANOOOWWW WEN DA SOWVITSER GUNNA HAAAVE DEBOOOOOMB
>give it back back to the Indians?
>give it back to those lazy alcoholic redskins?
>get this cretin out of my office
>America saved China
>China now hates America
what
>you're saved!
>now get to work in sweatshops working 18 hours for pennies a day for the next 60 years
>now get to work in sweatshops working 18 hours for pennies a day for the next 60 years
chinamen caused that fate themselves
please learn some basic history before posting, china had a whole revolution over being essentially a euro-slave state for over a century and self-organized under mao, the rest is uniquely chinese history, including the 996 work schedule in the sweatshops
>Esssentially inherit the world's largest manufacturing sector
>Give it 20 years and you now live in highrises and have the best middle class growth in the world
Yes they should unironically be thankful, fricking c**ts
>countries make friends with each other and ignore conflicting geopolitical interests
No
In fact a lot of Japanese people did care who built the bomb. Einstein once recounted his distress at Japanese people asking him why he built the nuclear bomb, and he had to repeatedly tell them and anyone else who asked that all he did was write a letter to FDR urging him to research nuclear weapons since the Nazis were doing the same
>I won fack yu fo manny unress yu terr me why yu kirr my famiry!
Nice factoid anon, are you an Einstein fan? Why didn't he have his mustache in the movie?
>don't let that sniveling little israelite back in this office
jesus nolan
NOLAN IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A HACK
I think it sucks that Nolan went with "Don't let that crybaby back in here" instead of what Truman actually said IRL which was "Never bring that fricking cretin in here again. That kind of weepiness makes me sick." I was so disappointed.
>The targeting committee's list included 18 Japanese cities. At the top of the list were Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Kokura, and Niigata.
>Ultimately, Kyoto was removed from the list at the insistence of Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson, who had visited the city on his honeymoon and knew of its cultural and historical significance.
>the bombing plan I filed in with the Commitee lists Kyoto, Hiroshima and Nagasaki here. But only two of them.
Wait Truman was a real person?? I thought he was a fictional character like Einstein.
Nolan specifically named him Truman to pay homage to Jim Carrey's movie which he really loves.
So the cold war was all Truman's fault. I see. I didn't realise Nolan was a historian.
The native American twist was the worst bit of writing in that scene
>talking about potentially humanity-destroyong tech
>pivot to talking about some irrelevant leftie nonsense about property rights for natives (who built nothing and owned no land)
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Oppie was a commie israelite so that fits
why did they chadify him ?
he seems like a scrawny fellow
>The trouble with Oppenheimer is that he loves a woman who doesn't love him — the United States government," Einstein once said
There are some Japanese people flew to the US just to watch the movie because it is not released in Japan.
Japanese people do truly care about who built the bomb.