Do you think Lightyear being a huge flop would kill off the Toy Story franchise for good?
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Do you think Lightyear being a huge flop would kill off the Toy Story franchise for good?
Do you think Lightyear being a huge flop would kill off the Toy Story franchise for good?
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>kill off the Toy Story franchise for good?
finally
I mean they should have realized by now WHY it flopped. They didn't drop Star Wars because Solo flopped either
>I mean they should have realized by now WHY it flopped.
Because it's a film no wanted and didn't ask for. A pointless attempt to revive a franchise whose cultural relevance has been reduced to being the punchline of 9/11 jokes. The very fact he was made at all is a sign of Disney's worsening creative bankruptcy.
>They didn't drop Star Wars because Solo flopped either
And it's a god damn shame they didn't.
They changed their plans because Solo flopped. The ending of that movie set up another movie, MCU style, and they didn't make it.
What's surprising is that they didn't make new ones, seeing as Disney doesn't give a shit about quality and will push shit out just because they can.
Hope so
The fact that there even is a "Toy Story franchise" is just plain baffling to me, so I honestly don't know what effect a tangential excuse to make kid-friendly Interstellar is going to have on its existence.
What dream world are you living in that you think that will ever happen? Disney's gonna milk that motherfricker until there's nothing left, which means they're just going to make something else (Toy Story 5?) to get back on everyone's good side.
do you think they would make remakes of every Toy Story movie?
I don't know about every movie, but I can 100% see them redoing the first.
Hell yes
Unironically I'd see them making Woody based on a real life tale that became a tall tale as time went on.
Basically just take Rango and make it with Woody, and at the end you see his myth grow into something entirely new, then the real life Jessie who is an ancient old woman at that point fondly watches Woody's Round Up while she sees a bunch of kids running around playing cowboy.
I hope they remake the first one but only the gfx, have it be the same audio and length but with today's graphics
Live action, yes
I can only hope.
Do you think it would've done better if it was titled "Mrs. Nesbit?"
I hope so. Toy Story ended with 3 and everything after that is just puppeteering its corpse around
Maybe they'll notice boring white protagonists don't work anymore. There's a reason Turning Red and Encanto made bank.
Look, it's not that I want animators to fail
It's just that every time a large studio or media conglomerate fails I'm happy about it
OP image needs to be updated.
You'd have to make much more than your budget back for your movie to be a financial success.
>barely breaks even
>i-it's not a flop guys!!
cope
>Breaks even
A movie with a $200m production budget needs at least $500m to break even
I didn't say that. All I said was that the image needs to be updated. Are you okay?
You really can't measure Disney Pixar films in that way, anyway. Unlike most companies, where films are stand-alone or maybe part of a trilogy or otherwise fairly self-contained franchise, for Disney Animated Theatrical films and Disney Pixar films, the production company IS the franchise. You'll get seats in the theater just by virtue of the fact that it's a Disney Pixar film. So it's not just about making a profit on a particular film, it's about preserving the prestige and reputation of the franchise. You keep eroding that away and you have Family Guy making jabs at you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9uK1Fe6so
But on the flip side of things, merchandising is a big thing in their space. Like if you just look at the numbers The Croods and Big Hero 6 don't look so far off performance-wise, but which one do you think had the more marketable merchandising opportunities. And just look at those faces and the ugly space ships; the only Lightyear merchandising opportunities are with the cat.
Sufficed to say anyone who thinks Lightyear performed anything approaching adequately is huffing some serious copium.
Lightyear has made $112,322,200 domestically (the studio gets around 50% of the grosses) and 92,2000,000 worldwide (for which they get far less). Any film needs to make twice its budget to break even due to enormous marketing costs and the amount of money theater exhibitors and foreign distributors take. So that's $400 million.
Disney got destroyed on this one.
That would make a hell of a hookah
People need to stop blaming the financial sucsess or failure of films on their content, it very rarely matters.
You can market a bad movie and make a profit off of it, the only consequence is future movies by that studio have less interest from the public.
Lightyear is a failure in marketing, or a failure in identifying what audiences want right now (and that means things at a glance, i.e. sci fi, space men, not kisses nobody who hasn't watched the film knows about), or Pixar has simply released so many bad films in the last decade the public is not at interested in seeing their new content.
The reality is its a mix of all three of these factors. Pixar movies are no longer "must see" events because they've been largely souless cashgrabs since Cars 2, hard Sci Fi has been doing terribly at the box office for years and the marketing was just terrible for this, they make it look so dull.
>they make it look so dull
It IS dull.
Yes but you don't have make it look dull in the marketing.
I don't understand why movies have to keep going until they die
One good Jaws movie wasn't enough, we needed a million sequels until it finally flopped
One good Star Wars movie? Great, make it a trilogy. No, two trilogies. No, three trilogies! Ok, now we've finally got movies that flopped and killed a lot of interest in the franchise
Toy Story was great, let's make another! Ok, now another! Another! ANOTHER! Alright, finally we got a flop, we can stop now
Here's the millionth Batman origin movie. I wonder what will happen to Bruce Wayne's parents THIS time!
STOP! PLEASE! MAKE IT STOP! JUST LET A FRANCHISE END ON A HIGH NOTE! WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER! WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER! WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER!
I think the business model of "a new trilogy every decade" is unironically what causes these flops. It's just long enough for interest in the original work to have waned and start to lose cultural relevance, but not long enough for the work to have become significantly removed from living memory.
One of the reasons I think that the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy was far more successful both commercially and critically was the 20 year gap between the release of Return of the Jedi and the release of The Phantom Menace. That was long enough that the audience largely consisted of either people who had never seen the original trilogy before and were thus open to new ideas, or fans of the original trilogy of the 1970s who had grown up, mellowed out, and were less inclined to react to every retcon or change in tone with enormous hostility (now that still happened obviously, but not to the degree of impacting the films' overall popularity).
Did you forget a little thing like hpme video exists? People are and have been able to watch any blockbuster at home at least a few months after thetrical release for decades now. There is no such thing as time to forget or young audiences that dont know the original.
>the 20 year gap between the release of Return of the Jedi and the release of The Phantom Menace
It was 15 years.
I don’t think Batman belongs because Warner can easily reboot it down the line with a whole new cast and tone, you can’t really do the same for Star Wars or Toy Story so easily.
What I know is that it will make those PIXAR employees less smug and obnoxious.
No, it's just a spinoff. A main series' entry bombing would do the trick.
Lightyear was likely Disney testing the waters for a potential revival of Toy Story but since the film was both a financial failure and poorly received by the fanbase, that's most likely not going to happen. Even if the producers avoided every pitfall Lightyear fell into, it's already poisoned the well.
Why the frick would you spend $200,000,000 "testing the waters for maybe making another film in the future"? What a stupid comment. This movie costs as much as Toy Story 4. Why not just make Toy Story 5 if that was your intention? Why "test the waters" by spending the same amount of money on something that may or may not demonstrate the viability of the other thing you could be making?
>Why the frick would you spend $200,000,000 "testing the waters for maybe making another film in the future"?
Because you plan on spending half-a-billion on the eventual full sequel, stupid.
Wait. Shut the frick up. I just looked up the highest production cost films of all time and apparently number 9 is something called "John Carter" which was apparently a huge Disney attempt to make a Star Wars meets LotR rip off using one of the origin stories of science fiction?
Did I just get Mandela'd or did I sleep through the entire first half of the 201x decade? I mean I guess it kind of proves your point about Disney throwing money at ridiculous projects, but I feel like I missed a meeting.
John Carter flopped because it was stuck in development hell for years and the marketing campaign was lackluster at best.
It had a shitty name too.
This is Disney. They throw around absurd amounts of cash to any project. The Rescue Rangers movie cost 70 million (Minions cost 80 million for comparison) and it looks like shit.
My question is how the frick are they managing to spend close to a billion dollars on a film? Not how do they afford it, but how to they actual manage to blow all that money on one fricking movie. Avatar, which utilized ground-breaking 3D motion capture and CGI and required years of post-production before its final release, only cost around $237 million.
Current box office numbers. Some points of interest:
>Minions: The Rise of Gru
Budget was $80 million, but after marking, total cost is around $370 million. As of today, domestic is $210.1M and international is $189.8M. Highest grossing animated movie this year so far. Reviews are middling.
>The Bad Guys
Budget is estimated between $65-$80 million before marketing. Domestic is $96.1M and international is $148.4M. It was the highest grossing animated film this year until Minions 2. Reviews are highly positive.
>Lightyear
Box office bomb. Budget was $200 million, making it the most expensive animated film this year to date. Marketing cost unknown. Domestic is $112.3M and international is $92.2M. Reviews are middling.
>The Bob's Burgers Movie
Box office bomb. Budget was $38 million before marketing. Box office was $31.7M domestic and $2.2m internationally. Coming out the same weekend as Top Gun 2 did it zero favors. Reviews are highly positive.
>Turning Red
Budget was $175 million. Theatrical run was called off due to pandemic concerns, and only went to theaters in countries that don't have Disney Plus. Reviews are highly positive.
This is the third year in a row where Universal has outdone Disney and Pixar at the box office. 2020 Croods 2 beat out Onward, and 2021 Sing 2 beat out Encanto. Disney last dominated in 2019 (Lion King, Frozen 2, Toy Story 4 taking the top three spots).
>marketing cost nearly five times the actual production
Minions are very marketable. They're bland enough to be inoffensive, distinct enough to be recognizable, and cute enough to be used on nearly anything and everything. And this one was marketed with Liberty Mutual, CarMax, Zip Recruiter, IHOP, HelloFresh, Hippeas, Levi’s, Supergoop!, Olipop, McDonald’s, and probably more. And thing is, it works. You put your shit on everything, and people will remember.
For reference on how good Illumination is at marketing: it took them two weeks to surpass what The Bad Guys did in over two months. The Bad Guys, meanwhile, had very little marketing and only did as well as it did thanks to very strong positive word of mouth. Minions doesn't need word of mouth, they just need to put their mascots fricking everywhere. And the movies are mediocre feel-good ultra-safe family comedies, the kind where if you point out how much they suck, you'll get a thousand DMs from kids b***hing that "let people have fun!!!", the same defense people make towards MCU schlock.
>The Bob's Burgers Movie
That was just a bad idea from the get go and several people tried to talk them out of it, but damned if they didn't have their hearts set on it. The Simpsons Movie "worked" because there was such a baked in universe of people for whom The Simpsons was a big part of their nostalgia, but that had abandoned the show long ago. The movie was able to tap into that, getting a lot of people briefly interested in this cultural touchstone. It never demonstrated the viability of theatrical movies for adult animated comedies. That was always a dumb idea.
>Turning Red
A film whose fanbase almost entirely consists of pedophiles, furries, and women who did not emotionally mature past the age of 12.
I resemble that remark.
It's the movie that killed any chances of Pixar releasing a movie outside of Disney+
>If we don't pay for groomer propaganda will they stop making it
if only it were so easy
I think it could work, but it would have to be a boycott so good that it would legitimately startle investors and other people like that. Right now, companies think they can just waste wealth because people will pay for whatever they put down. Companies like Netflix are starting to learn otherwise though.
>relying on fiction to learn how to function
Bruh
The fact the Toy Story franchise even needs to be "killed off" when we got the luxury of a good, final ending that was made to be an ending. Most series don't get such proper send offs.
Disney did this to themselves. I hope it hurts them for trying to unravel the ending of Toy Story 3 and I hope they never attempt to "sneak in" anything in their weird tokenized movies again.