Do you think the next generation will think of Miles Morales as the definitive Spider-man like we think Barry Allen or Hal Jordan?
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Do you think the next generation will think of Miles Morales as the definitive Spider-man like we think Barry Allen or Hal Jordan?
No. Peter is still way more popular.
Hal was AT BEST a secondary superhero while Spider-Man is maybe the most popular superhero of all time.
>while Spider-Man is maybe the most popular superhero of all time.
Maybe? Is.
>source: 10 years ago
I mean I'd buy it, but attaching that image seems more detrimental than supportive.
Why would 10 years have changed anything other than Avengers just growing in popularity?
No, John Stewart was the only Lantern people grew up with in their cartoons, Miles is now cemented in pop culture, but the Spider-Man IP was so mishandled before him that we have 3 live action Peter Parkers as well, so its hard to not see them both.
I dont know if Peter is more popular, but that's because they're mishandling him in the comics too, the happiest people have been with comic Spider-Man in years is when he was Doc Ock
>I dont know if Peter is more popular
Do you have brain damage? He's the most popular superhero on the planet
>No, John Stewart was the only Lantern people grew up with in their cartoons
Anon there's been an animated GL series plus the movie and the Injustices games. More people know Green Lantern as Hal Jordan.
I knew Hal was Green Lantern when even the DCAU Justice League was airing.
I honestly think John Stewart is the only black counter part to a main superhero that is better that the original. I think Hal is kind of a gay tbh
Mr. Terrific and Jakeem Thunder are pretty cool.
Who the hell are you guys kidding, John Stewart is the worst Green Lantern.
Simon is worst Earth Lantern. He has very little going for him.
>dated a red haired woman
Even in the year 2000 there was a weird thing with cucks and redheads.
It's amazing how one cartoon gaslit one whole generation into thinking John Stewart is an interesting character.
I'm kind of shocked they never tried to incorporate John Stewart into the movies. I know the comics did it first with new 52 but if you want representation I think that's a better fit than moving Cyborg to the Justice League from the titans (while also adding him to Doom Patrol... which already had a robot character)
I still say the seventh New 52 member should have been Vixen. A perfect blankslate diversity choice. Plus her powers are cool.
It has to be a credit thing. It's not good enough to feed someone's diversity fetish, Bendis has to get credit or else he's not going to acknowledge it exists. Same with all other bendis-like figures in the movie and comic world.
>most popular superhero of all time.
That's just because people who grew up watching Raimi and TAS haven't died yet. The new generation hasn't watched any of the Raimi movies, and they have very little reason to care for Peter Parker. The fact that Peter Parker is popular now has very little to do with his popularity in the future. There's pretty much ZERO good introduction to Peter Parker for new generation except for a 20 year old movie.
Now this is cope. The Raimi movies have been meme factories for the past couple years because so many people still watch them
>so many people still watch them
Literally never denied this anywhere in the post. Either learn to read or improve your thinking capacity.
>The new generation hasn't seen Raimi movies
You did say this tho lol
And?
And I said that's not true and you said you didn't originally say it. I guess you're confused because I didn't specify that the people still watching them are young people who like Spider-Man and not 50 year olds.
>There's pretty much ZERO good introduction to Peter Parker for new generation except for a 20 year old movie.
>I mean... I GUESS besides the most profitable movie franchise in history, of which he was a major factor in a big chunk of it.
>I'm sure more people will think of Spider-Verse instead of Endgame or No Way Home. Spiderverse MIGHT make 600 million! You know, only 1.2 BILLION less than that movie!
Don't get it twisted, Peter is hard carrying Miles.
Seriously, kids in the last 10 years have grown up with the biggest heroes being the Marvel heroes, and one of the most successful and liked is of course, Peter. Miles is at best a side note to them the same way War Machine is.
There's a reason the producer rushed to clarify it's Tom, specifically, coming back for the next movie.
Holland Spider-Man wasnt good until No Way Home
Audiences seemed to disagree as his box office only went up
Wasn't that particular run of movies mostly killed because of the giant Sony leaks that revealed just how messed up the production heads were behind the scenes? Their backroom chats were so laughable it basically kneecapped their momentum and resulted in them taking a hard shift towards the MCU.
No that's Amazing. Amazing was absolutely killed by the leaks, dumn executive demands, and the NOT MUH. Plus killing Gwen off when the selling point of those movies was their chemistry. The MCU trilogy did well and is well loved by most normal gays.
Gonna be honest, I mistook Holland there for Garfield. Sorry.
Maybe TASM2 should have used symbiotes instead of Electro and Rhino and the Goblin and Sinister Six shit, so it could immediately tease Gwen-clone Carnage or have it as a cliffhanger. Have Tom Hardy's Eddie this early too.
bro just got a literal fricking $4 billion trilogy (plus supporting parts in 3 Avengers movies) and has an ongoing well-received AAA video game series in an era where that matters a lot, plus tons of other shit. He's the biggest superhero in the world by far right now has been since bare minimum 2002, likely longer.
Miles' movies (and his game) need to ride on Peter's back to have any success (he's the deuteragonist of the first film and still has a big part in the second and third), meanwhile we've seen that Peter has no need for Miles.
The second movie has Peter for like 10 minutes.
When Miles can hold a full movie or even an 22 minute episode without any other spider person we'll talk. The whole multiverse concept is a crutch of member-berries and the best parts of Miles game is the vulture fight narrated by Peter.
What do you mean? Black Peter was on screen for wayyyyy too long
>The new generation hasn't watched any of the Raimi movies,
lol, complete copium there
They literally haven't.
they're trending on Netflix right now
And only new generation can use Netflix supposedly.
C O P E
who is making all the shitty memes? creating the tiktoks with Zoomers watching them? Using AI to make him say Black person in every scene? I know it's not your dumb boomer
On that note, there was literally a trend recently of zoomers reacting to scenes from Raimi, showing that they haven't watched it before.
No Way Home was massively popular because of Raimi Peter being in it LOL
>There's pretty much ZERO good introduction to Peter Parker for new generation except for a 20 year old movie.
Not that new movies could even dream about being at same level of quality.
Why do you think people can't watch old media? I watch Disney media from literally the 1930s and it's still cherished. It's still talked about, it still sells toys and merch, and it's still in popular culture. Peter Parker and characters like Mary Jane are no different. You have no idea what you're talking about.
It's just their victim mentality. Their arguments hold no weight.
>this poster escaped from a world where DVDs and streaming services don't exist
The Dark Knight Rises made over $1.081 billion while Across the Spider-Verse only made $208,600,000
>The Dark Knight Rises made over $1.081 billion while Across the Spider-Verse only made $208,600,000
Each Raimi Spiderman movie INDIVIDUALLY grossed a billion
What a dumb post. Animation is way more niche, latest Spidey live action movie made $1.9Bn and Across the Spiderverse doesn't have a final gross yet because it's still in theaters. Also the figure you gave is already way out of date
>Barry Allen or Hal Jordan
not definitive
Not only is Batman at least twice as popular, even Superman is more popular than Spider-man.
Spider-man might not even be marvel's most popular superhero
>Spider-man might not even be marvel's most popular superhero
Boi.
This is insane cope. Spiderman is more popular.
Batman is only close in America. Superman hasn't even been relevant since the 90s, and especially not after Snyder's neck snap.
Spiderman is huge internationally too. Very popular in Japan and Hispanic countries too.
This generation gave Peter almost 2 billion dollars for one movie, while two of Miles' movies are struggling to reach 1.
It's really insane how far Californian cucks and Twitter morons are willing to push Lovecraft's cat just out of hatred of white men
you're so mindbroken by this site you cant conceptualise people just liking Spider-Verse. Remember that the only reason it exists is because live action spider-man went to shit after Raimi Spider-Man 2
>Remember that the only reason it exists is
Only reason it exists is So y needing a way to milk the IP
Liking Spider-Verse =/= liking Miles
The first Spider-Verse is Miles' movie. The second one is more split between him and Gwen but still mostly about him. If you don't like the character that gets the lion share of the runtime then you don't like the movie.
It's actually Peter's movie, and story, and love interest, and villains, and setting, and costume, and alt versions, given to some kid called Miles. So is the second, except it also shits on everyone but Miles.
Cope, seethe and dilate. No black guy is ever going to do anything for you.
Deep one
Black personman will never be Spider-Man
Cope. Black personman became Green Lantern and Nick Fury.
John is actually based and nobody gave a shit about Nick Fury for the entirety of his existence, while Miles is a charisma black hole who exists solely to harm everyone around him and Spider-Man inhabits the very tippity top of A list heroes
Only if Marvel gets rid of Peter Parker for good in all media and merchandise (including games and licensed products) and leave Miles as the only "active" Spider-man so people forget about Peter with the time, but since Parker is the most famous (and profitable) Spider-man he'll continue appearing everywhere for a while.
No, because in the typical fashion of misplaced Black arrogance, no one just refers to Miles as Spider-man: just Miles, or "Miles's Spider-Man". The "Miles" is never left off. Meanwhile, Peter and Spider-man are simply synonymous.
Spider-Man will become irrelevant within the next 50 years due to Miles so it doesn't matter
If he replaces Peter in the MCU then yes some will. If he doesn’t, no.
>like we think Barry Allen
lol
Which Flash had his own show?
Which Flash is in Injustice?
Which Flash was in the DCAU?
Wally with Barry's name and backstory crafted on
lol
Wally? Like straight up the flash in the DCAU is Wally not Barry.
>Which Flash had his own show?
Barry
>Which Flash is in Injustice?
No clue. I know in the animated adaptation he dies almost immediately.
>Which Flash was in the DCAU?
Wally
I think the next generation isn't going to care who or what is under the mask. They're growing up in a time where everyone is Spider-Man so it just doesn't matter. The world isn't going to be black and white moving forward, that way of thinking is getting phased out for better or for worse. Picking a side on anything is exhausting so Gen Alpha just won't do it, at least not of their own volition. They can have everything unlike those of us that came before.
>Cinemaphile is trying to gaslight themselves into believing that Spider-verse fans don't ACTUALLY like Miles at all
So why exactly is Miles less popular than Miguel and Gwen in this movie? Why was he less popular than Noir and Peni and Peter B and Gwen in the first one?
Because you exclusively browse Cinemaphile which is full of pedophiles and racists. Go outside for a few minutes.
Not how this works miles shill, why exactly is there more fanart and people talking about those characters than Miles on twitter and every other site under the sun?
You are a porn addict. I don't know what else to tell you. You surround yourself with what you fap to and that's what the social media algorithms feed you. You come here and see like-minded coomers then assume that's how the rest of the world functions.
Nobody but you mentioned porn tho.
Show me Gwen or Peni fanart that isn't porn. No one is drawing Noir so I won't even humor that or the fact that you're using people drawing the original Spider-Man more as an argument. If you weren't a coomer, you would have mentioned the explosive increase in Spider-Punk and Jessica Drew art as well. But you are interested in actual facts, you are only interested in fapping to e-girls like the rest of this board.
What a fricking load of cope.
>You surround yourself with what you fap to and that's what the social media algorithms feed you.
That's exactly what you are doing here. You consume Black folklop and unironically think that anyone else but you and other mentally ill like you have likeminded views on media that meant to be fun, instead of being dogshit Black folklop? You spew lies so much that you start to believe your own bullshit.
no argument tho
Yep, you have no arguments. No one likes Black folk, no one likes miles. There is no point in arguing about it.
This guys right, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Miguel gets his own movie. Hollywood has been ramping up there latino pandering and here they have a character that wasn't thrown in your face.
Keep backing into that corner.
Anon, do you have any proof of your claims?
>go outside
>no one cares about spider-verse or miles morales
Now what, homosexual?
>pedophiles
But that's Reddit.
Now that's a sweet ass goalpost move.
>unless he's LITERALLY THE MOST POPULAR CHARACTER then everyone hates him
lmao
Just admit you lost already.
>not the most popular character of his own movie despite having the most focus and time
Lmao
The directors literally said they only made the movie about Spider-Verse so people wouldn't question Miles' existence, they know he can't stand on his own
>still moving goalposts
People like Miles. I'm sorry you're eternally butthurt over the fact.
if that were true, his movies wouldn't need all these other Spider characters to sell
Yes, people like Peter Parker but black, not only is Peter Parker a good character, making him black also lets people virtue signal by claiming they like him and relieve their white guilt.
Man you just really can't even grasp that Miles is generally well liked. Not as popular as Peter but not hated either.
>he thinks anyone would dare to publicly say they don't like a black character in the year 3 ADGF
>uhh actually everyone fricking hates Miles and they're just scared to admit it!
You people are clowns.
Comics are not mainstream and that game had a lot of marketing issues. Also I'm not claiming that Miles is as popular as Peter just that he's not hated like Cinemaphile is trying to trick themselves into believing.
>Comics are not mainstream
And that justifies his comics doing numbers that would get anyone else cancelled because?
>that game had a lot of marketing issues.
No it was marketed as a next gen seller and was a PS5 launch title, and as a fully fledged standalone game, and sold in two months, including the holiday window about a quarter of what Peter's game sold in 3 days.
Cope all you like, Miles is not popular on his own, that's the entire reason he's being shoehorned as the second character in Peter's second game, he wouldn't sell otherwise, just like nobody would watch a movie with only Miles
Comics have fricking nothing to do with normie's opinions, you tard.
Convenient how you ignore spider-nigs game doing abysmal in comparison to Peter's
It didn't do abysmal. It just didn't do as well. You people can't think outside of extremes.
Not being liked does not mean hated. It can mean indifference. Which is way worse the being hated.
No, people aren't indifferent to Miles. They have a mostly positive opinion of him but he's not super mega popular like morons keep pretending that I'm saying. I'm just saying that he's not HATED like these tards are trying to claim. It really shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp but a shit ton of moronic people around here can for some reason only think and argue in extremes
Nah, they're decidedly indifferent about him. Peter is implied to be a cuck in the comics no one reads and the whole internet is in uproar, Hobie cucks Miles in the blockbuster movie and people make fun of him
Stomping your feet won’t make it real, hon.
His video game did pretty well too. It's the third best selling Sony title, behind the 19.5 million God of War but above the 16 million Uncharted 4
It's the third best selling Sony title.. by dollar amount.. in the US.. in this time of inflation. The headline was intentionally misleading to make you think it sold between 16 and 19 million copies, when it was around 6M.
No, it's "lifetime dollar sales" for Sony since 1995. It sold 6.5 millon two years ago
That's literally what I said. If his game sales weren't embarrassing in comparison to Peter, they wouldn't have to later announce "both games together sold 33M" meaning Peter sold 27M copies and Miles sold 6M.
No, you didn't, you still think Miles' game stopped selling at 6 million, but I'm telling you it sold more than that and that's why it's the third best selling Sony title
>he thinks Sony would miss a chance to brag about Miles' sales compared to Peter's if that was the case
kek
>that's why it's the third best selling Sony title
It's literally not, I explained the misleading headline you fell for
NTA but you know sales can continue after articles get published right?
You know announcing copies sold can also continue, but they didn't, and were instead to force to bundle the total sales number with Peter's number for some reason?
It literally is, there's nothing misleading about it
>it didn't happen because...i don't want it to happen
>there's nothing misleading about it
If it was as clear cut as you claim, they would just say "Miles Morales sold XX copies", but they said "third best selling in the US by dollar amount" which is an incredibly contrived metric
How fricking moronic are you to think Miles' glorified dlc sold over half of the lifetimes sales of the series.
They had to force people to buy miles version to be able to buy the actual game on the PS5 if you didn't already own it on PS4
The only reason he's not hated as much as on Cinemaphile is cause no one fricking cares for him.
People are not boycotting his dlc or his movie, they just don't care.
It has nothing to do with Cinemaphile, normal people just don't watch your shit if it's not appealing to them, and black characters are hardly appealing to anyone but black people.
>People are not boycotting his dlc or his movie, they just don't care.
They love his movie
>if I keep spamming it then it's true!!!
Find me a bunch of twitter posts that aren't obvious pol types whining about Miles. YOu can't
'''They''' means trans people, right?
No one else liked it cause of miles.
see
>they love his movie
They love Peter's multiverse and the overworked animators' animation, no one actually watches the movies *for him*, otherwise the movies would've just been about him. Kind of how no one watched Black Panther 2 for Shuri, it was about T'Challa's story and legacy and setting and Namor etc.
If people liked Miles his game wouldn't sell less than a quarter of what Peters did. If people liked Miles they wouldn't have to prop him up by sacrificing a million other Spider-Man variants to make him look good by comparison. If people liked Miles his comics wouldn't be worth less than the paper they're printed on.
>If people liked Miles his comics wouldn't be worth less than the paper they're printed on.
Miles' comic outsells Fantastic Four, Hulk, Thor, Punisher, and Ghost Rider.
Here's the thing, people wanted to like Miles, but the way how Disney and Marvel handled him made it hard to do so. That's why Sony had to rewrite him for their movies. Because the person who made him was a hack.
His game outsold Gotham Knights.
Miles> Nightwing + Batgirl + Red Hood + Tim Drake
Gotham Knights was a buggy live service abomination that they still had enough trust in to not put "Batman" in the title. How much would Miles' game sell if it was called Spin or Kid Arachnid or New York Spiders?
>gwen
She is just fapbait
is trying to gaslight themselves into believing that Spider-verse fans don't ACTUALLY like Miles at all
Yes, I loved the first movie and liked the second, but outside the movie I don't think the comic, the insomniac game or the shitty cartoons have done anything with the character that made me go "Wow, damn this good"
The 3 spiderverse movies are one big event /what if comic. Just because you like the movies as it's own stand alone thing, doesn't you want him to be in everything spider related media going forward.
A lot of what makes spiderverse so appealing is the visuals, music and sound design.
they will but i dont think spiderman will be relevant.
Yes, the 60 year old franchise will die because there's a black person in it.
Remind me, how old is Star Wars and what happened to all that Star Wars merch? And it was bigger than any capeshit.
Not as old as Spider-Man and has a track record of being a fad for a few years then falling off no matter what.
>The phrase I get all the time is that I'm always trying to 'shove my agenda down their throat'. Which seems sexually charged to me, I dunno. [...] 'He's getting rid of the white guys!' You know, never part of the plan never even considered, but it freaked people out so they're reading this stuff looking for proof. But there is a hardcore piece of the audience whose bat goes up whenever you go into these issues and they don't even realize it. And you know what kills me about is that when they're writing about it they're always hyper rational. [...] It's obviously a quota! And you know the quota arguments on fictional teams crak me up because who's actually losing a job here? Which fictional character is losing a job? There's no connection -- they're not talking about what's going on the comic books. They're talking about what they think is going on in their lives, and that's not really going on either.
>'He's getting rid of the white guys!' You know, never part of the plan never even considered
Meanwhile Bendis on Miles
>BENDIS: A few years ago, we were all at Marvel, and we were sitting around a table talking about what we did right and what we did wrong and what we would do differently if given another chance. And one of the things we talked about was this idea that Spider-Man in particular, if you really look at his origin and his background, that there's a good chance that he would have been a child of color. And boy, wouldn't it have been nice to be more diverse in our representation of these characters in a more modern time
>BENDIS: Well, you know, part of my personal journey through all of this is for I have four children, two of which are adopted, one of which is African and one of which is African-American. You realize from a first seat that you - your kids do not have the same representation and things available to them that I did as a white little man. And you kind of just realize, even through just osmosis - it's not like I stood up and said I'm going to be more diverse in my writing. You just become more diverse because you realize things are needed and, you know, going back to the old Spider-Man mythos - with great power comes great responsibility - if I've got this stage right now at Marvel, then it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like.
He has black daughters but he made Miles a dude, what a pathetic piece of shit to use kids as an excuse for pushing his fetish onto general audiences
I don't know if you actually read the early Miles comics but every other issue he was getting a brutal ass beating or some other terrible thing was happening to him. If Miles was a girl, that'd be pretty fricked up.
Should female superheroes be treated in kid gloves for some reason?
They shouldn't, but if they aren't readers will assume the writers have a problem with women.
Why don't they assume the writers have a problem with men?
But he made Miles for his black daughters, what the frick are they supposed to get out of "here's a black male Spider-Man who gets a brutal ass beating every week"? If it's really about his daughters then make a black female Spider-Man who overcomes challenges and adversity like Peter did.
If their directly based off the author's daughter then yeah. Twitter probably would have gotten him cancelled and had his daughters taken from him if he did that. Of course you'd be here defending him because violence against women is based right?
>Of course you'd be here defending him because violence against women is based right?
Yes. Sick of feminazis screaming for equality and then back pedaling when it means equal fights.
Frick that, it's the cancerous mentality that makes female superheroes so uninteresting in the first place.
>n-no, a girl taking a beating in a genre that is all about superpowered people fighting, that means the writer has a problem with women
How ironic is that it's the simps and not imaginary muh evil stay-in-the-kitchen sexists are the ones holding female supes back.
>He has black daughters but he made Miles a dude, what a pathetic piece of shit to use kids as an excuse for pushing his fetish onto general audiences
Exactly.
Ever notice Bendis claims to care about representation yet sticks every black male with a white woman? He's marginalized black women his whole career until creating Riri.
The way he wrote Misty Knight in Jessica Jones series is fricking weird
"The competition" - isn't she Danny's girl?
he'll reach sidekick dick grayson robin status at the very best, he'll never actually be a replacement tho
Miles is quite boring, he only really is distinct in spiderverse
>he only really is distinct in spiderverse
There's pretty much nothing distinct about him in Spider-Verse other than the fact everyone else is crippled to make him look better in comparison
He's a teenager
>Miles invented being a teenager
Didn't say that
Just a reminder that most everything written with Miles is trying to justify his existence as Spider-man without making him his own person. Imagine if Batman Beyond instead of Terry fighting new bad guys he was just fighting Batman's enemies all the time and constantly one-shotting them
Did you watch Batman Beyond?
Nta but terry rarely fought Bruce's villains. Terry actually has his own rogues gallery
Nta but Beyond had a good mix of new and old villains as well as new iterations on the old like with Thalia and the Joker gang. (Also, aren’t the twins Harley’s granddaughters?)
Am I making it up in my head or were splicers supposed to be based on the Man Bat formula?
I literally was just wondering about that. It’s been forever since I watched the episode so maybe it is explicit but I was just thinking to myself that one might be more of an homage.
As a normie that only watches the movies, plays the games and shit I fricking hate Miles. However the new Spiderverse movie has made me far more interested in Miguel, he seems like a really cool and interesting take on the Spider-Man character instead of being Spider-Man but black
You should read his comics they’re pretty good
No. Especially once the mcu college trilogy happens
>you read for miles to replace Peter? He so popular.
>well, I mean he’s not as popular as Peter, but…
>he uh…. Sells more than Ghost Rider! Uh.
>well his game was bad ya know, so he’s uh…
>He…just is OK?
What a ride.
Frick zoomers, I have no sympathies when they get groomed, killed or raped. Bunch of braindead broccoli haired homosexuals
Slightly offtopic but is Miles Morales game any good? I liked Spider-Man PS4
No, just wait for the sequel and get that instead
No isn't a $60 dlc you can finish in 5ish hours, pirate it if you actually want to play as Miles for some reason
Did everyone just forget about the PS5 restock that increased Miles Morales sales
Yeah it's pretty good. There are no MJ missions or puzzle minigames, air tricks, camouflage, and venom powers make combat & traversal much more diverse. Bosses are improved too
Black person-man will never be known as anything more than the Black person pretending he's Peter
>like we think Barry Allen or Hal Jordan
You mean Wally West and John Steward?
People keep arguing about whether Miles is more popular when the post is about whether Miles WILL be more popular, and considering his increasing popularity, and the fact that people are wanting to see Miles in MCU, it's pretty probable he will be at least on par in next or so decade.
>if we take on a billion in lost profits over two decades we can finally push the black spider-man over the white one who would've made us billions in profit in the meantime
They really are desperate in their hate of white people
>about whether Miles WILL be more popular, and considering his increasing popularity, and the fact that people are wanting to see Miles in MCU
Just like Kamala Khan was SO popular?
How often do you think about Mar-Vell? And everyone hates Carol. Kamala is pretty great
what does that have to do with the fact that Kamala was sold as this ultra popular new breakout character and her show had low viewership?
artificial push
my understanding is that they pissed off all of India
Wah poor white victim.
Seething.
>her show had low viewership?
Marvel fatigue. I watched just about every movie up until endgame. Watched all the Netflix shows. Watched wandavision. Was starting to wear out for falcon and winter soldier. Couldnt watch the later seasons of daredevil and punisher and others. Couldnt watch Loki. There was just so much and I didn't want to bother torrenting/subscribing. So I didn't.
I think Kamala was just not timed to catch in on her popularity in the comics. Her first run was like a decade ago and she hasn't been popular like that since it ended.
The Miles that people like is specifically the Spiderverse Miles. Comic book Miles is as popular as Kamala Khan.
They'll always see him as a sidekick as best.
a lot of people will say he's their spider-man in spite of peter
with characters like wally and john they didn't even realize they were supposed to be successors
No because no matter what the schizos try to say, Miles isn’t replacing Peter. Peter will always be the original but they’ll have more than one to read about
It's gonna be funny seeing all the Chuds' faces here 20 years from now.
“What a shame that greedy corpos diluted the franchise to the point it died, Spider-Man was neat”.
No I don't. I also don't think of Barry Allen or Hal Jordan as definite Flash and Lantern. I wish all three would die and never return honestly.
>Barry Allen
You mean Wally West
He’ll eventually fade into somewhat irrelevancy, like how Wally and John hang around Barry and Hal in modern times. He won’t be as mega popular once his astroturfing dies down, but he’ll always be associated with big Spider-Man products and given a leading role
No, because marvel are cowards and the Peter costume is too iconic.
The truth is Miles is already synonymous with Spider-Man no matter what racists on 4chuds say
LOL
It’s still hilarious how miles still isn’t an actual superhero with his own identity. He’s just “Miles Morales” because being a black kid is literally his only identity
Call him ParasyteMan
It's the same reason he has his mask off for a disproportionate amount of time
Do you mean Kyle and Wally? Those are MY GL and Flash but that's because they were treated as the defacto Lantern and Flash. My toys were Kyle and Wally, I had a foam version of Kyle's mask and a shirt with his logo from Six flags I wore everywhere. They were in the comics I read and the cartoons I watched. Without Hal and Barry.
Miles doesn't have that. He is treated like a second string hitter even in his own media. Like Spider-Verse is great but he shared the first one with Peter, and the second was more Gwen's film. He'll have fans, but he'll never be THE Spider-Man unless Marvel commits to him being front and center on his own for years.
I'm honestly getting kind of tired of Miles, SpiderGwen, the multiverse shit 5.000 different spidermen etc. I really wish it'd go back to basics.
It's this weird thing where I do like the alternate Spideys a lot but where I'm also tired of it because its overtaken Spider-Man.
Same.
I like a lot of the alt spider people but it does feel kind of weird to me how we've reached a point where even normals are starting to think of them as normal instead of these occasional side things.
They'd be fine if they were confined to their own continuity with no gay multiverse interaction
I think the next generations going to wonder who spider man is, as as soon as any official torch passing happens his books going to tank. Marvel really can't afford to have no one buying spider man.
Actually, I'd really want Marvel to pull the trigger on this shit and kill Peter and replace him with Miles for a couple of years. Hopefully that shit flops so hard that they never do it again and write Miles out completely. Now we're kind of stuck in this weird phase where it feels like they're tanking Peter's shit to push Miles, but they don't want to commit 100%.
So you basically want go back into 2013?
I liked Superior Spider-Man
Yeah frick it. Let Marvel commit. Let them kill off all the straight white male dudes and replace them with Riris, Mileses, Kamala's etc. like they clearly wanted to do 10 years ago, in all forms of media: movies, games, tv shows, comics etc. Make it so that there are no white characters and no straight characters anymore unless they're the bad guys. And then let them crash and burn and go bankrupt again. I mean if this is the direction they want to take it in, frick it, go for it. At least then everyone that's sane can wash their hands of this bullshit until they're forced to do some drastic reboot or some shit.
Yeah so much so that that Peter got another remake trilogy (Tom Holland) and will likely get another.
Shame how they're killing off our Petey 🙁
Threads like these make me certain that racism is legitimately a mental illness. The level of delusion that some of you here have...
I can't tell who this is referring to because of how inherently racist, on both sides, everything involving Miles is lol
I mean, I try to consider both sides to every political/socio-political topic. But everytime someone posts some known fact about the performance of the movie and game it's always followed by shifting goal posts.
It's like nobody is allowed to like a character because they say so, because he's black. Like, who hurt these people as kids, dude?
You type like the sort of person who would defend miles
Talk to me like a real person. What exactly irates you about my take. Explain to me without using some stupid meme reply. At least once.
>Miles will be popular enough to overtake Peter!
>No he won’t.
>omg why can’t I just like him racist who hurt you.
I understand where you're coming from, but Miles was created for political reasons at the end of the day. People are free to like him, but rejecting some of the legit criticisms and strange origin of the character because you view them as racist is just as dumb as hating him for being black.
Show me the post that touched you?
There is nobody here saying that Miles will overtake Peter. Always the victim with you lot.
>omg why can’t i like him racist who touched you
Just right back to it huh.
Kek I never said he would overtake Peter. It's just fricking obvious Marvel wants that, but I was mainly asking why people can't dislike miles when Bendis' motivations for creating him are so fricking weird. Like he's not even a good character but it's controversial to criticize Miles for some reason
Bendis is known to be fricking weird. What people have an issue with here is that Miles is objectively (see movie and video game sales) liked and you people living in some delusional universe saying that it's all a lie or it's invalid because... Well because it is.
He isn't really objectively liked. His game sold like ass compared to Peter's and this movie is his only success. His character is dependent on leeching off Peter which fine if you like that, but don't act like it's weird for Spider-Man fans to reject him when he's so obviously pushed for racial reasons
I'd say the vast majority of Spider-Man fans haven't rejected him since he has a successful video game, movie franchise, and decent selling comics
>Movie
Comic book fans are irrelevant to this. His movie is successful because he is attached to brand people like. People would see it with or without him.
>Video game
Again piggybacking off of Peter
>Decent selling comics.
Not really. He's overall propped up by Twitter, some recent buzz from the new movie, and the fact that people will buy Spider-Man stuff based solely off the brand. People don't really like him all that much it seems.
>People would see it with or without him
And tons of the people who have seen it are comic book fans
>Again piggybacking off of Peter
This somehow makes the game a failure
>Not really
See
Miles is a legacy character, but if most fans rejected him then none of this stuff would be happening
>This somehow makes the game a failure
If it would've made more money if Peter was the protagonist (it would), then yeah?
It doesn't make the game a failure but it's not successful because of miles. You don't even know what you're arguing.
>If fans rejected him None of this stuff would be happening
People who read.modern capeshit regularly aren't actual fans. Those are just the dweebs who will latch onto any Spider-Man shit and his book is being propelled by a movie that only exist because he's black. He's shit and doesn't have Peter's staying power
Didn't mean to quote you on that other post.
Miles wasn't created for "political reasons".
There are a ton of black DC heros whose debut predates this nonsense era we live in where colored people in movies and TV is somehow political.
50 years of Peter Parker and Marvel + Sony are supposed to continue making Peter stories? At least be reasonable. At best, Miles was created for marketing reasons. So if your issue is with captitalism then maybe don't vote for capitalists?
>Miles wasn't created for "political reasons".
He literally was
>... because I said so.
Because Bendis and the Marvel editorial said so
>50 years of Peter Parker and Marvel + Sony are supposed to continue making Peter stories?
Why not, they keep outselling every other hero
You're arguing for "too big to fail".
Meanwhile, Sony + Marvel has the original Peter Spider Man fanbase and now a new demographic of young, Latino and black fans
Meanwhile, you all are seething at a big corporation making millions on your apparent misery. Doesn't that sound stupid?
Can I get a source on that, bud?
I have no opinion on Miles. The movies are good, I liked it. If it were Peter's story I'd still like it.
You people are just fricking weird it's like some mutation of your insecurity making you utterly delusional.
>I have no opinion on Miles.
>who touched you!?
Wew lad.
>Can I get a source on that, bud?
Here you go anon, listen to it from Bendis' mouth himself. Or are you going to accuse the racists of using AI to doctor a 2015 interview?
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/417457442
Thank you sir. Truly
So to everyone ITT, here's Bendis' "political reasons" for creating Miles
>BENDIS: A few years ago, we were all at Marvel, and we were sitting around a table talking about what we did right and what we did wrong and what we would do differently if given another chance. And one of the things we talked about was this idea that Spider-Man in particular, if you really look at his origin and his background, that there's a good chance that he would have been a child of color. And boy, wouldn't it have been nice to be more diverse in our representation of these characters in a more modern time.
> ...
> BENDIS: Well, you know, part of my personal journey through all of this is for I have four children, two of which are adopted, one of which is African and one of which is African-American. You realize from a first seat that you - your kids do not have the same representation and things available to them that I did as a white little man. And you kind of just realize, even through just osmosis - it's not like I stood up and said I'm going to be more diverse in my writing. You just become more diverse because you realize things are needed and, you know, going back to the old Spider-Man mythos - with great power comes great responsibility - if I've got this stage right now at Marvel, then it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like.
Some please, please show me what's political about this?
It would be nice if there was a black person is a political statement.
Why would that be nice
Can I say it would be nice if there was white person in an anime about the samurai
Yes.
>Why would that be nice
>Yes
Huh?
Yes you can say it would be nice if there was a white person in a samurai anime.
What about the first question
Can I want to kill off Goku and Naruto so white guys can replace them? That sounds like it'd be nice
Goku and Naruto specifically? Yes. I'd be okay with you killing them off.
Don't replace Naruto with a white guy though let's follow Killer Bee instead.
Just do it like Silence and have the white guy be a Jesuit secretly spreading Catholicism to Japan. Or Dutch. (They did just that in Samurai Champloo, it was fun).
No I think he should be a white native to Japan, there since time immemorial, no one asking themselves how they got there or why he and his family are different and how they didn't mix themselves into the japanese somehow
I mean, sure. You could do that. I just think its funny that anime, produced by Japanese people for a Japanese audience, has white and black characters all the time. I don't think it bothers them.
I think anon's choice of samurai specifically is hilarious in the context of a marvel thread like we're supposed to forget Wolverine's weeb phase.
>racial representation is not political because uhhh
>"creating work that represents what I think the world should be like" when referring to simply replacing a white guy with a black one is not political because uhhh
Everything is political sweaty 😉
>it's not like I stood up and said I'm going to be more diverse in my writing. You just become more diverse because you realize things are needed and, you know, going back to the old Spider-Man mythos - with great power comes great responsibility - if I've got this stage right now at Marvel, then it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like.
> it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like.
Says every fricking writer in existence. Seriously, what world should any writer make? Should they make a survey and base their material on their responses? There's nothing political about Bendis' statement. Having a certain skin colour, and having a certain percentage of non-white citizens in a country, is NOT political. That's fricking stupid man, cmon.
>gets shown direct evidence that contradicts his claims
>starts pissing and shitting and moaning instead of admitting he was wrong
We are done here
homie there is nothing political about Bendis' statement.
You're experiencing Cinemaphile brain rot.
>I think a white person should be replaced by a black person because I believe the world should be more like that
Is either political or extremely racist, pick whichever you like because political was the easy option anons gave you
Nobody is fricking replacing anybody. Fricking hell mate. Always the victim with you lot.
Miles got a shorter comics run that Peter.
Got 2 movies out of the 8 Peter movies (and those were animated btw! How well received are animated comic movies, btw?)
And 2 video games out of frick know how many.
And this equates to replacement for you? Fricking hell get a grip.
>moving goalposts this quickly
Reread Bendis' statement and the Ultimate comics as many time as you want until you understand it
Bro wtf how is that moving goalposts?? You're literally the one that brought up "replacement".
Are you moronic? Stay focused.
No, Bendis was the one who brought up replacement, and wrote it into USM, like I said reread it as many times until you get it
YOU
>>I think a white person should be replaced by a black person because I believe the world should be more like that
>Is either political or extremely racist, pick whichever you like because political was the easy option anons gave you
Brought up replacement. You moronic troll.
Anon reread
as many times as you need until you get it
Where in that quote is the word "replacement"?
>he needs to say "I'm replacing Peter with Miles" verbatim for it to count!!
Thanks for conceding, better luck next time!
Uh, he does. Otherwise you're just putting words in his mouth.
There has been 3 Spider Man movies with Peter since that statement. And 2 cameos in the Avenger movies.
If
needs to specifically mention race for the complaint to be about race then yes Bendis needs to specifically mention replacement for his statement to be about replacement. It goes both ways.
So bendis mentioning miles was created because of race means miles is a political character created solely to be a black Spider-Man then? Thank you for conceding through your own logic
If they don't want to replace Peter than why does he live in 616 and still go by Spider-Man? They don't really do that with any other character other than Miles. He's a writers pet created for political reasons. Accept it dude
Peter is in literally dozens of universes. Are you dense? How many Universes is Miles in??
You're literally crying over petty nonsense that hardly makes sense, man.
How does it not make sense? I don't give a shit if Peter is other universes lol. Him being in 616 and still going by Spider-Man is bullshit and you know it.
Anon Miles has appeared in every piece of Spider-Man media in the last 10 years since he was made except the live action ones and he's already confirmed to show up in those as well, I don't think you realize how insane of an artificial of a push that is for a comic book character
Yeah so fricking artificial that literally every media about Miles apparently sells really well and they keep making more media for him.
You're delusional. If you don't like something, stop watching it and criticise the content. That's more than fair. It's this fricking delusional rationalisation that's just not healthy man.
Miles is "pushed" because it's making money, not because your status as the apex in society is being challenged.
>Yeah so fricking artificial that literally every media about Miles apparently sells really well and they keep making more media for him.
It doesn't, it's actually really disappointing compared to the push he got as a Spider-Man character
>... because I said so
Because objective statistics said so
>... source: Me ;>)
Check literally any sales metric
>Source: premonition
Ok, so what is your problem dude? Are you Bendis himself or a Milesgay or what exactly drives you to argue this much and behave like a blind fanboy?
>Huh, so why are you arguing a point on a forum. Are you like, a shill or something? Lolol.
When I see moronic "black = political" shit of Cinemaphile I either ignore it 90% of the time or the takes are so fricking moronic that you have to call it out.
Seriously, how in ever frick can all of you be so fricking moronic. Literal brain rot from Cinemaphile and all this political circus from America.
If a character is just black and that's it, that's fine. There are plenty of older non-white Marvel and DC characters that are cool.
If however Marvel or DC or anyone else makes a black/gay/Muslim etc. character and makes them a Mary Sue/it's a race or color swap of a pre-existing character and they make a big fuss about it online so they can score internet points about how progressive they are etc. then it's clearly a political statement.
Most of these shitty characters were created around the same time, about 10 years ago or so, when Marvel was hellbent on swapping out all pre-existing characters with the same character but with a different color/gender/religion etc.
>It's not like I stood up and said I'm going to be more diverse on my writing.
That's all you need to read to know it's political. Someone creating a new Spider-Man without a political bent would never even feel the need to say this bullshit. It's also just dumb white knight homosexualry that should be looked down upon.
>with great power comes great responsibility - if I've got this stage right now at Marvel, then it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like
There you go, I realise it's hard for Miles fans to read since they don't seem to read his comics, but that couldn't be more an admission of political reasons driving everything to do with his creation
Nothing political about that. You literally highlighted everything every author has ever done.
Boy, I wonder what inspired the city Gotham and villains like the Penguin... And Joker.
But the joker and penguin are original characters. Not white guys wearing older black character's clothes and name tags
EXACTLY. You have an issue with skin colour. Isn't that fricking stupid dude?
Miles Morales has never been written into comics before Bendis did. And that's an actual, factual statement.
I don't have an issue with skin color where are you getting this? Miles is a shit character riding a good ones coattails. The fact that he is black is only relevant because that chose was made to shield.him from criticism or was at least planned as a happy by product of his creation.
>Miles is a shit character riding a good ones coattails.
Fair.
>The fact that he is black is only relevant because that chose was made to shield.him from criticism or was at least planned as a happy by product of his creation.
Delusion.
>Nobody is allowed to like something and defend it.
Literally moronic. It's like you're oblivious to comic fandom culture.
You can defend it. You're just in denial about Miles origin and his status as a corporate tool.
>Delusion
Anon he was made black to get pushed. Why has he been every single Spider adaptation outside Holland and Garfield movies? They refuse to give him another name.despite co existing with Peter in 616. How can you actually think this character is being built up or written naturally? Negative or positive the character is all culture war shit, man
>origin and his status as a corporate tool
If this was a popular opinion in this thread. I wouldn't have anything to argue about on here.
That's literally the least popular opinion on here for persons who don't like Miles.
No it isn't lol. No one hates him because he's black, dude. Just because you don't understand people's perspective doesn't make it racist. Hey over yourself and realize anyone shitting on him for being black is fricking with you or at least an extreme minority
Man, I have no idea why you're being so disingenuous but okay. Have a good day.
How am I being disingenuous? The only racist hate for miles is on here and it is counterbalanced by love or neutrality for him. He uses Peter's name. He uses Peter's villains. He has been in 80% of adaptations whether he fits or not. No other Spider person has shoehorned themselves into 616 the way miles has been. It isn't because he's black, anon.
>That's literally the least popular opinion on here for persons who don't like Miles.
>on here
Milesgays are the ones who cry racism whenever any of the numerous other reasons he's a bad character who does nothing but actively harm Peter get brought up
disingenuous
Alright, let's say Peter is killed off in ultimate comics and replaced by the exact same character as miles except he's white.
This new character
>is bitten by the same spider Peter was
>gets the same powers as Peter, except he also gets new cool powers like invisibility and venom strike for some reason
>gets a costume that looks nearly identical to Peter's and starts calling himself Spiderman
>meets Peter's supporting cast who all jerk him off, to the point of Aunt May giving away Peter's webshooters to this new kid because he deserves them
>gets ported into 616 after fan outcry demands Peter come back, but keeps the name Spider-Man. He doesn't get a new identity, or a new costume, he keeps calling himself Spider-Man alongside Peter so now there's two
>fights Peter's rogues gallery almost exclusively and never develops his own
>gets shoved into nearly every single adaptation of Spider-Man Peter is in
>continues this way uninterrupted for almost a decade
>gets an entire movie series where other versions of Spider-Man are sacrificed to prop him up
Now, defend this, and remember, this new character is white, the exact same skin tone as Peter even.
You know whats insane? In the 90's people mocked this when they did this with the clone saga but who knew all you had to do was make Peter black and those criticisms go away.
Which people mate? Most people know Miles from Movies and Video Games.
Truly, you all are moronic. Arguing at passing clouds in the sky.
You seemed to skip over the post with the reasons why Miles is a bad character without hiding behind the race card milesgay. Perhaps you'd like to address it?
He's so bad that the Movies and Video Games are widely popular.
Literally spent and seething.
The movies (with multiple, more popular Spider-Man versions) and video games (which sold far better with Peter) yes, you're really proving Miles isn't a parasite and are completely ignoring the post because you can't defend him without the race card
My point is that comic book nerds and the MODERN movie goer and video game enjoyer are disjoint.
Is that really controversial? If they made a Spiderman movie with clones that was well written, it would maybe do well too, idk. Wasn't that kinda what happened with the last live action Spidey movie? Oh but there were multiple Peter because multiverse. Right.
There is that seethe again.
address this
Milesgay is never going to refute this no matter how many threads posts like this are made in
Ever the victim
why does Miles have different powers despite also being bitten by a spider? Also, why is venom strike electric?
See, this is the kind of stuff that comic book enthusiasts care about but movie goers and video gamers don't.
The movies and games are objectively well received, so they don't care about your arguments. Nobody cares man. Miles is simply a marketing ploy. Not political, or part of some stupid replacement theory like most on here legitimately believe.
I think you might legitimately be mentally ill
For being logical? You have a legitimate problem. Grow up.
No this isn't fricking AI but how can you be lacking such self awareness man.
>theme of "No one takes me seriously" aka subtle race baiting
Yeah like when Peter got bullied and laughed and rejected in high school. Or when Tony and the rest of the Avengers basically treat him as a kid when Spidey started doing cross overs.
You reply to literally everyone except this
which is curious. Surely you can defend Miles without race since the Miles detractors can only ever bring up him being black as a reason why he's a bad character right?
Ever the victim
Tell us why Miles is somehow different from a concept like Mike Morris.
it's not an argument though. I'm legit wondering if the differences in their powers are ever addressed in a meaningful way... and I just remembered we're talking about capeshit
Exactly. We're talking about capeshit. Why are you trying to rationalise obvious marketing ploys? "Give him moar powers" isn't anything new.
Don't talk shit if you can't back it up.
nice reddit spacing, tourist homosexual
The Joker and Penguin? They were race swapped versions of prior characters so?
>And boy, wouldn't it have been nice to be more diverse in our representation of these characters in a more modern time.
>You just become more diverse because you realize things are needed and, you know, going back to the old Spider-Man mythos - with great power comes great responsibility - if I've got this stage right now at Marvel, then it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like
Skin Benis alive with a potato peeler
Bendis reasoning is fricking moronic.
But is it political? No. Don't conflate your shitty capitalist principles with politics.
Look black daughter I made a character like you I just had to kill this white kid off in front of his house and in front of his loved ones! Isn't this so amaze balls looks at my brand new Oc (do not steal) who has more powers than spider-man! I remember 10 year old me was fuming when Peter wasn't even cold and they were already pumping out miles. Now that they threw him in the mainline universe they had to make sure Miguel had to be an alternate reality instead of being the future as he should always be instead of Miles being the successor.
>I made a character like you I just had to kill this white kid off in front of his house and in front of his loved ones
So dramatic. Again, racism is quite clearly a mental illness.
I agree, saying "this character is white and that's problematic if I could control the world he'd be black" is racist to the point of mental illness
Yeah good thing nobody is doing something so insane and sociopathic.
See what I mean? Get help. I swear you people can only argue in extremes. So dramatic.
>Yeah good thing nobody is doing something so insane and sociopathic.
Bendis did when he made Miles
Again with the drama. The only points you have are entirely hypothetical and speculative.
The quote is literally posted ITT
I posted those quotes you're referring to. To your point tho:
Again with the drama. The only points you have are entirely hypothetical and speculative.
But the quote is neither hypothetical nor speculative, it's literally what he said
Your statement
is entirely hypothetical and speculative. Control the world with a comic character... Get a grip.
No one gives a frick. Why would they?
I explained why I didn't like him but I'll let you go back to your BBC worship marathon.
>You're completely delusional
How? I simply don't like miles or this movie because of how shit the core concepts of both are and I'm arguing that he was created in bad faith.
>I'm arguing that he was created in bad faith.
WRONG.
It's perfectly fine to not like something. But to create your own narrative about the work just to rationalise your dislike is textbook insecurity.
How is
bad faith??
>we have looked at the origin and background of Luke Cage and found that Harlem has been gentrified since his creation, there's a good chance he would've been a normal child, and boy, wouldn't it be nice to have more white characters in a more modern time for Harlem
Luke Cage isn't black because he's from Harlem, he's black because he was wrongfully thrown in prison (and subsequently experimented on) because on his race.
No, because Peter isn't the protagonist and the game succeeded
>no one is buying a game called Miles Morales for Miles Morales
>comic book fans don't count fans
Now you're just moving the goalposts
>No, because Peter isn't the protagonist and the game succeeded
It would've succeeded more if he was
That doesn't mean the game is a failure. It was designed to be a shorter spin-off and still made tons of money
And it would've made more with Peter as the protagonist
I'm not moving goalposts. Nothing Miles does will ever put him above Peter and he's pushed for political reasons. Everything he's on would be more successful than if it was Peter instead and comic book fanboys having no sense of quality doesn't change that. Also his comic is still a Spider-Man comics so he's not really outselling other characters so much as the Spider-Man brand is.
You definitely are, you're saying Miles' comics aren't successul with comic book fans, but when I prove otherwise, you say they aren't real comic book fans.
Him outselling characters that aren't popular (ff) or coming off of deliberately shit runs (punisher) when he is attached to the most popular character isn't impressive or an indication of anything. There's morons who put up with Slott for fifteen years why should them also accepting miles mean anything? Especially when he's not popular anywau
NTA but that just sounds like the same kind of cope Cinemaphile had when Black Panther made a billion. There's always some excuse you guys have for why ackshully everyone hates the black guy and the success isn't real.
It's not making an excuse. I'm explaining why a shitty legacy character is getting fans after being shoehorned everywhere for a decade. And how those fans aren't really that numerous or on the up and up about their favorite character.
>And how those fans aren't really that numerous or on the up and up about their favorite character.
That's why you need to explore sites other than Cinemaphile
But lots of people love him here too and reddit or Twitter won't have organic opinions. I've talked to normies and comic fans who don't like him.
>I've talked to normies and comic fans who don't like him
Well, they must be in the minority then
No, you must be
>no argument
Wow, just like
You can't rally say that because miles has no solo adventures outside of comics. Plenty of people openly admit to only seeing Spider-Verse for the concept of multiple Spider-Men, mainly Peter B. though. Once he has adaptations with no other Spider people we'll see.
>noooooo my anecdotal evidence is the right one aaaaaa
It's an indication that you're massively wrong on all fronts, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation
I mean, old people are seeing him, young people are seeing him, comic book fans are paying attention to him, his movies are a success, his video game is too. I mean, what's the logical conclusion here?
>You're arguing for "too big to fail".
I'm not though, I'm saying they're fixing what's not broken, Robin was added to Batman when the sales were in the dumps and he fixed things by doubling sales and making the IP appealing to young kids, meanwhile Spider-Man profitability has only ever went up, and they replaced him or added Miles anyway who only ever underperformed
>Meanwhile, Sony + Marvel has the original Peter Spider Man fanbase and now a new demographic of young, Latino and black fans
That's not true though, Spider-Man has always been popular with every demographic, ATSV is Miles' biggest appearance yet and the racial demographics breakdown for the US is basically identical to No Way Home, meanwhile internationally things have never been worse, instead of capturing the same audience as Peter does or expanding it, he just captures a fraction of Peter's audience
>Meanwhile, you all are seething at a big corporation making millions on your apparent misery. Doesn't that sound stupid?
No I'm just confused why a big corporation would choose to make millions on one copycat character when they could be making billions by giving that content to the original
>Can I get a source on that, bud?
Of course
>BENDIS: A few years ago, we were all at Marvel, and we were sitting around a table talking about what we did right and what we did wrong and what we would do differently if given another chance. And one of the things we talked about was this idea that Spider-Man in particular, if you really look at his origin and his background, that there's a good chance that he would have been a child of color. And boy, wouldn't it have been nice to be more diverse in our representation of these characters in a more modern time
>BENDIS: Well, you know, part of my personal journey through all of this is for I have four children, two of which are adopted, one of which is African and one of which is African-American. You realize from a first seat that you - your kids do not have the same representation and things available to them that I did as a white little man. And you kind of just realize, even through just osmosis - it's not like I stood up and said I'm going to be more diverse in my writing. You just become more diverse because you realize things are needed and, you know, going back to the old Spider-Man mythos - with great power comes great responsibility - if I've got this stage right now at Marvel, then it's kind of my responsibility to create work that represents what I think the world should be like.
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/417457442
https://web.archive.org/web/20111005173504/http://latinrapper.com/axel-alonso-interview.html
>50 years of Peter Parker and Marvel + Sony are supposed to continue making Peter stories
They barely touch Peter’s stories, my dude.
Yeah they haven't adapted Sins Past yet
Once again you are free to like miles, but just like how Peter was created to subvert the idea of the teenage sidekick, Miles was created to subvert the idea of white Spider-Man and that decision was at least partially motivated by Obama being president. Plenty of black characters are just black characters but miles isn't one of them.
Because no one marketed those characters, at the time, with interviews about how wonderful diversity is. Miles, Falcap, Jane Thor. They were all marketed with obnoxious political showboating.
>Because no one marketed those characters, at the time, with interviews about how wonderful diversity is.
Or they did, and you just weren't around for it at the time so it didn't happen in your mind.
Find me an article from the 70s about how Storm is the first black female superhero. Find me Black Panther interviews like the Colbert Falcap one where sad middle aged white men preach about how they don't see color and how they feel diversity matters.
Would a letter count?
No a letter to the editor doesn't count because it's not marketing and this is very clearly from the heart not political fluff marketing.
>I don’t like Storm
!!!
> and Colossus.
Oh.
>Have them get married and leave!
Oh.
>Don’t like Nightcrawler kill him iff doing something heroic!
Oh.
>Wolverine is based!
I don’t think this actually helps you at all.
>Fan writes in asking them to get rid of all the token diversity characters. This is proof that the token diversity characters were well received back then.
>about race
>letter never brings it up.
Ok.
>Character should go back to Africa
>But I didn't say race specifically so it doesn't count.
It's kinda funny how you frickers haven't changed your playbook one iota in 50+ years
But he's shitting on more white characters than black ones in that note.
>ignore the dude is complaining about three other white dudes as well.
Ok.
homie not everything is political fricking hell. Before this whole Donalt Dumpf political circus everyone called that kinda shit for what it REALLY is.
Marketing. Dirty Capitalism. Now everything everywhere is political when they're not white. Truly, if I don't sincerely think it was moronic, I wouldn't be saying so. But it's so fricking moronic I literally don't see how a grown adult can be so fricking stupid.
>Miles wasn't created for "political reasons"
Bendis literally says he was created for political reasons
Source, homie
Axel Alonso admitted he was created for Obama's election and because Childish Gambino cried about it
>The idea's been in the air for a while. We formally discussed the concept of a Black Spider-Man a few months before Obama became President as part of the discussion of an event called Ultimatum, which was blowing up and reconstructing the Ultimate Universe. For a variety of reasons, it didn’t work out at that time - not the least of which is we didn’t have the story yet. That changed when we realized we were actually going to kill Peter Parker in the story that became "Death of Spider-Man.” We realized we had the opportunity to create a new Spider-Man. And Miles Morales was born.
>When we were planning “Ultimatum,” we realized that we were standing at the brink of America electing its first African-American President and we acknowledged that maybe it was time to take a good look at one of our icons.
>Since Stan [Lee] and Jack [Kirby], Marvel has always prided itself on the diversity of its characters. We’ve been at forefront of cultural diversity in superhero comics. That said, it’s quite a tricky task for a character of “color,” so to speak, to get traction with the mainstream audience. As a guy who loves Black Panther, I know the challenges of keeping a book like that alive.
Not political btw
>We formally discussed the concept of a Black Spider-Man a few months before Obama became President
>a few months
literally political
>>When we were planning “Ultimatum,” we realized that we were standing at the brink of America electing its first African-American President and we acknowledged that maybe it was time to take a good look at one of our icons.
literall political
>As a guy who loves Black Panther, I know the challenges of keeping a book like that alive.
literally admitting they don't really put effort in marketing their minority characters
Ever the victim
>Ever the victim
you mean Miles fans who claim to be victims? and claim that people only hate him because he's black?
Don't worry, you'll be replaced soon and we can all be one race.
don't bother, milesgay is legit mentally ill
>Miles wasn't created for "political reasons".
um, about that...
I really think people forget Miles happened when DC and Marvel were in that diversity pissing match. I remember when Bunker was first revealed and a shit ton of Marvel staff started teasing Miles was gay. It was so pathetic.
I think his fans are actually starting to forget he's a legacy character with how defensive they get of him. He's parading around in the costume of the most popular hero of all time and using his same name while operating along side the original and it's somehow weird to not see that character as fanfic tier.
>I remember when Bunker was first revealed and a shit ton of Marvel staff started teasing Miles was gay.
they should've committed
and made spidergwen a troon and allowed it to peg miles, at least that way the ship makes sense
>It's like nobody is allowed to like a character because they say so, because he's black. Like, who hurt these people as kids, dude?
Except Marvel's pre-existing black characters like Storm and etc were all well-liked
Were they? Or were you just not around for their conception and think that everything that comes before you gets grandfathered in.
>Were they?
Yes
>Or were you just not around for their conception and think that everything that comes before
None of them ever got the push Miles received in such a short time. Christopher Priest's run used to make fun of the fact BP was overlooked despite being king of a fictional country.
>Yes
The difference is, when someone says they like Storm, no one goes:
>well actually you hate Storm and you're just lying to yourself!
You weren't at boomer age to rage at everything that wasn't black and white and had a cigarette in their mouths in movies.
Boomers, as in literal boomers, used to hate the "political" messages in comics like having a literal Black Panther (see the black panther movement) in comics.
You actually brought up the perfect example of your ignorance.
>like having a literal Black Panther (see the black panther movement) in comics.
The comic predates the movement, shut the frick up about things you know nothing about
>The comic predates the movement,
NTA but it's the same year. Character's first apperance is in the July 1966 issue of Fantastic Four, whereas the black panther party is said to be founded in October 1966. (Of course a grassroots movement having an official start date is already kind of a wonky concept.)
Black Panther Volume 1 issue 1 didn't come out until a full decade later in October of 1976.
>Boomers, as in literal boomers, used to hate the "political" messages in comics like having a literal Black Panther (see the black panther movement) in comics.
Shut the frick up. I don't recall anyone complaining about Falcon. I remember Power Man and Iron Fist selling decently well and being a fun run.
>I don't recall anyone complaining about Falcon.
You're not old enough. Back in the day his nickname was "Foul Coon".
Because Falcon (Captain America: Winter Soldier) fricking predates this Donald Trump, freedom caucus dystopia we live in. Honestly, even Cinemaphile got progressively worse since 2014.
Besides that, let me also note that Spider Man is literally the biggest hero of all time. People who don't give a shot about comics will chime in about how much they know about the "Original Spiderman".
>Because Falcon (Captain America: Winter Soldier)
...you do know Falcon has been around since the 60s?
> I don't recall anyone complaining about Falcon
>I don't recall
Anon was not talking about the 60s Falcon.
Green Lantern just wasn't a popular franchise at the time so a lot of people didn't care about it before the Justice League so had no idea who the "real" Green Lantern was.
>Do you think the next generation will think of Miles Morales as the definitive Spider-man like we think Barry Allen or Hal Jordan?
Not even people who claim to like Miles think of his as Spider-Man
But the baby show calls him Spin! A name that's instantly recognizable as Spider-Man.
No.
Peter is just too iconic for that to happen.
There are 90 year old that have never read a comic book or seen a superhero film in their life that know Peter Parker is Spider-Man. The only other heros who are on the same level are Superman and Batman.
When something has sunk into the collective cultural awareness like that, it won't change. You won't get people to think of Miles as the default Spider-Man anymore than you will get people to agree that by default vampires can go out in sunlight.
I can imagine Miles being forced so hard just straight up making the character of Spider-Man irrelevant when before he could have easily stood the test of time
the miles loving homosexual is never going to admit miles is a political character stop responding to the subhuman
smartest post ITT that everyone chose to ignore
>it's not political, you have no proof
>no that proof doesn't count
>heh, racist
Every single time when Miles is questioned and btfo
Well let's think OP
>miles morals first appears 12 years ago
>people born in 1993 were just turning 18
Okay.
So younger millennials/ziennials do not think of miles as a sneeder. So that's one generation.
>miles gets his movie 5 years ago in 2018
>people born in 2000 were turning 18
Okay
So older zoomers (who are also ziennials, confusingly) do not consider miles to be the spider man.
>miles now has another movie where he starts a gang war with the latin kings
>people born in 2005 are turning 18
Okay
So younger zoomers do not consider miles to be the guy.
If we think about this logically, the third time's the charm. Once peter has been memoryholed as Spider Dad the gen alpha kids in elementary school can be mindfricked into believing Miles was always the REAL spiderman.
Though this assumes people with kids aren't all fundamentalist christians now, which tends to be the case, since atheistic and liberal types are waiting until they are 40 and financially stable.
>whites and blacks aren't having kids
>latinos are taking over America and prefer Peter
>internationally people don't care about Miles at all
Peter is safe, the people who care about Miles will soon die out with no heirs to take their place
If your joining us now, we’ve hit mileshill just seething.
en ingles, por favor?
Case and point.
Lmao. Yeah, case and point indeed amigo.
Ah, ya keep proving it.
No. His most popular entry is the spiderverse movies and these are multiverse movies with a huge list of cameos.
You can make this argument when he has a normal movie against 1 or 2 villains like almost every other Spiderman movie, no multiverse shit no race baiting shit and it makes close to a billion.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
No
@137936633
I think you got a couple of screws up in your head loose but it's no worse than what's going on in your parents' bedroom
Miles will be known, yes, but as the guy from Spider-verse, and nothing more
I'm pretty sure Milesgay is a dedicated troll
We have had 2 multiverse movies and both have basically had the theme of "No one takes me seriously" aka subtle race baiting. Are they going to try to make something where it's just him fighting a bad guy? No multiverse no "no one takes me seriously"?
Ah yeah highschooler Peter Parker fit soooo perfectly in high school.
Is this some AI bot reply? It has nothing to do with what I said
>Barry Allen or Hal Jordan
These are not the Flash and GL of 'our' generation. Barry died in COIE and was replaced by Wally West for over a decade until they brought back Barry in... Infinite Crisis maybe? Similarly, Hal Jordan was replaced by Jon Stewert and then later Kyle Rainer. Neither of them were popular enough to stick so Johns got to do GL Rebirth and bring back Hal.
Miles will not be the definitive Spider-Man but they may try to push him as such for a while. If they have the idiocy to actually get rid of Peter it'll last maybe a couple of years and then some writer will bring him back and everyone will cheer that the 'real' Spider-Man is back.
Idk, I don't care about ShitC.
Begging you all to stop replying to it, it's either a terminally ill moron on Bendis himself
Wally had a good run in both comics and Cartoons. Miles had 2 good movies, but his comics are dogshit
no one cares about comics, Wally's average readership is in the tens of thousands while 10 million people bought Miles' game and something like 50 million watched his latest movie.
>No one cares about comics
Oh so you're a secondary who's insecure about their favorite character actually being dogshit. Makes all this defense for miles funnier
>Mileshill can only deflect.
I see.
>it's moronic
Ah, well enjoy being a black fetishist milesgay, Bendis would be proud of you
They are really trying to force and meme this. Even now, he's the least popular Spiderverse character. My prediction is Spiderverse will be known for another thing to pump up Gwen, cool animation, and interesting villains.
no because he sucks.
No because comics sucks
Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris.
In Ultimate Comics, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man.
Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers.
Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb."
But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever.
The idea gets even sillier when we've had 2 other characters that are EXACTLY like Mike Morris, both way more popular. On top of that we have May and Miguel, who are different flavors of the same idea. All four of these characters have better stories and are better received than Miles, despite the "racist" connotations.
And all of them combined got 1/30 of the push Miles got, despite proving themselves a lot better in comic sales and fan reception. Actual clown world.
Was Mayday ever pushed? Her whole thing is that she survived solely on fan support. She started off as a random What If character even
Had Mayday gotten a push proportional to Miles' based on the comic's success, she would've been the only Spider-Man for the last 20 years
No I think the company always hated her and she only got support initially because of Defalcos pull then because of fan support
They hated her? I just stared Spider-girl and she is great
I think at that point editorial was slowly trying to push pete being younger and mayday selling relatively well threw a wrench in that plan
>Was Mayday ever pushed?
She was pretty much the headlining character of MC2.
>Was Mayday ever pushed?
She had a +90 issue run what
That wasn't because she was pushed though, that was all through fan support and when it got cancelled it was brought back again because of fan demand
Mayday holds the record for the longest single female run in all of marvel, lasting 100 issues, and it was solely because of fan support. Whether that's impressive or says how marvel treat their females is up to you, but if Mayday had gotten a Miles tier push we'd be in a much different landscape
Still surprised there isn't a movie yet. They could really capitalize on the popularity of No Way homosexual by having Mayday take over Raimi-Man in a potential fourth film
Shit like this is the reason I wish we spoke German today.
>a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was,
But that's already wrong.
616 Peter's Spider was special yes. But 1610's was not. There were literally dozens of spiders and other animals dosed with the Oz formula.
I have been wondering about who the hell black spiderkid is, since I want to see the Spiderverses, and I'm glad someone just wrote it out like that. I am not a big capeshit person and that is all so fricking stupid. It's like some guy made a black OC and really wants to take the title from Peter Parker and rake in all that Spider-Man cash. They really thought they were going to get away with it. What were they thinking? Clearly they weren't.
What about the "MJ"/Michelle Jones/Mary Jane drama? Why is he shipped with a kid Gwen that makes no sense, when he could be shipped with his own black Zendaya "Michelle Jones"? I don't know the story behind what's going on there.
If they just made him a black side character like The Jumping Spider or Poison Spider or some shit, nobody would care. They'd probably even like him more. Now this characters legacy is tainted by this self-insert garbage. Everyone is going to remember it, just like you said, as that time where they attempted to get rid of Parker for someone black kid OC. It's going to be laughed at.
don't forget the part where they also made an alt-u where Spiderman's first major love interest became Spider-Woman instead of Peter becoming Spider-Man and then crossed her over with Miles so that they could frick
Why are Miles gays desperate for their pet nig to be liked?
Because they don’t want to accept that he’s everything wrong with corporate art and that his success means it’s NEVER going to get better
They were brainwashed by corporations to worship bad writing if it has the culture war attached to it so the squabbling over race or LGBT issues drowns out any potential class warfare discussion, it's not their fault.
>we think Barry Allen or Hal Jordan?
No one gives a shit about these characters. They don't think about Flash or Green Lantern at all.
Probably not ever, since when people say Spiderman, then are talking about peter. And when people say Miles Morales, they are talking about Miles Morales. I love the inherent separation everyone has
Even Marvel just calls him Miles. 100% guarnteed if he gets a live action film they will call it Spider-Man: Miles.
tasty, they work against their own replacement campaign
Yes it's part of the progressive agenda, replace all white characters in stories with black ones. This is what passes as anti0-racist and inclusive today.
I think I'd like miles more if he was either
1: A flat out side kick in training type character with a different name, because lets be real if he wasnt originally replacing a dead peter they wouldnt have gone with spiderman. Let Peter be a fully active mentor and essentially try to help Miles get past all the fricked hardships Peter had to do on his own, play off give him different weaknesses than peter to offset new powers.
2: Hes only around when hes replacing a dead Peter, which at that point is just effectively a soft reboot of spiderman.
Either way give him his own villains, problems etc., and give him his own case of parker luck.
They literally tried this shit with the Clone Saga and the ultimate comics and it never worked. They should just give up trying to replace Peter with this soft reboot nonsense. Of course people are going to jump the ship as soon as he isn't involved.
I don't even know why people are wasting their time debating this. A live-action Miles Morales movie is in the works. Let's just see how that performs in a few years and it should tell us everything.
They will just kill yet another Peter Parker
>They kill off Hollandman and replace him with Miles
>This just ends up being Ultimate Peter replaced by Miles 2.0
>New generation of people growing up with a seething contempt for Miles replacing the Peter they loved
Like a demented cycle from hell.
I think they can't without asking Feige whom I doubt would let their own Peter Parker die now that the MCU is losing more and more watchers. It's more likely Tobey-Man or Andew-Man would die for Miles since they currently got no projects and the latter is eager to redeem himself.
>They kill off Hollandman and replace him with Miles
When I went to the theater there was a little girl who kept telling her dad not to worry because Miles was the Strongest Spider-Man and can't lose.
So I take that its going to happen to some extent.
Doubt it. Most people will have a positive view of Miles, but Peter will always be THE Spider-Man. I say this as someone who thinks Miles is pretty alright. Peter is still my favorite though.
Exactly lol but Chuds will deny this. Literally go to YouTube comment section of any recent Spider-man video. They are all talking about Miles. They love Miles' arc and his Black person speak, "Imma do my own thing."
Who's side are you on, you moronic homosexual?
>le hectic bestiest strongest fastest loveliest Black-man
The little b***h ain't wrong...I mean, not that I believe you but still.
>has all the powers of Peter Parker plus invisibility and electricity
She's right.
Hope that little b***h cried when Miguel whooped that little Black person's ass.
Was she black?
Kids are fricking moronic
Barry Allen and Hal Jordan's movies are two of the biggest bombs in box office history. General audiences don't care about any Flash or Green Lantern.
No Miguel will gain more popularity. Maybe DBZ fans (mexicans) will love him a lot more. Last time I went to go watch atsv it was mostly Latinos watching.
I fully anticipate Miguel to get his own movie. Maybe an adaptation of Edge of Time.
If you get that it’ll have Miles in Peter’s place. In fact I bet a version of Miles will be the one that Miguel named himself after
Fricking hate his movie design.
Nah because Hal and Barry straight up replaced Jay and Alan. Peter is still THE Spider-Man. ASM is always in the Top 3 comics every month. Peter’s movies do over a Billy and he’s everywhere in cartoon and games.
Miles struggles, his book is always in the bottom teensxearly 20’s, he has to rely on a bunch of crossover comics like this current Carnage one. He can’t stand on his own two feet in movies and games and TV shows. They all have to feature other Spiders including Pete.
Marvel use Pete to prop Miles up but all it does is keep Miles in Pete’s shadow. They need to be brave and let him ‘do his own thing’ without any other Spider people propping him up. He needs his own cast and rogues gallery and name. The more he relies on Peter’s hand me downs, the less chance he has to really be memorable in his own right.
He has the potential for sure, but Marvel trip over their own feet trying to make him his own man.
Who cares whatthe next generation thinks? I grew up with the rami movies and kid me would've say tobey maguire with organic webbing was the definitive spider man. Now I like the symbiotes more. What next generations think won't matter because their taste will change with age anyways.
Miles is already this generations Spider-Man, racists lost
Why are people repeating this shit when the recent movie with three peters was huge?
I doubt they'll think much of him, because Marvel will be dead by then.
Shipper gays will keep him relevant
The last time they put an ooga booga tribal front and center they killed a franchise much, much bigger than Spider-Man so I hope they're moronic enough to push Miles as the definitive Spider-Man
They would have done a lot better keeping him front and center than sidelining him like they did
Finn had potential to be interesting but they made him the comic relief to prop up Rey
It's well agreed among fans that Finn was one of the best characters of the franchise, and wanted him to be the Jedi who fricks Rey.
Best? Finn is a nothingburger like Poe but that makes them the best of the ST characters, the rest are actively offensive
The literal only character anyone have a fragment of a frick about was Kylo
He's the absolute shittiest of the lot though. The reason why everything goes to shit after ROTJ
>will Miles be remembered like...
>forgot john stewart existed
lol, lmao even
No; Peter Parker holds too much of a stranglehold on the general thought of Spider-Man as a concept. Unless all Spider-Man properties released from now suddenly make Miles Spider-Man forever and ignore the old ones, it's impossible to ignore him.
It's sort of similar to whatever the frick the MCU is currently doing with its new line-up of heroes. Nobody sees them as the definitive new version of those heroes, it's just for that universe.
In every iteration of Miles he is preceded by Peter. There is never a Miles without a Peter before him.
It's hilarious how hard Miles mind-broke Cinemaphile
Every time a bunch of people agree that something is bad, there's always someone like you coming along to say thinking it's bad makes you mindbroken or some other emasculating thing. As if it somehow elevates you.
Sometimes people just point out that something is shit bro. And eh that's all there is to it.
Never
To say otherwise implies that anyone will think anything positive about white men by then.
>by then
lol
What positive thing do people think about white men NOW?
This was a laughable premise before the two Spider-Verse movies, but now it seems inevitable. MCU is circling the drain. You can't blame kids for enjoying the superior product while they "ok zoomer" you while waiting for you to die.