In a certain episode a candy person is sacrificed by PB to save herself, Finn, and Jake. After his funeral, PB reveals she can just make an exact clone and has been doing so for some time. Finn is weighing the death of a "person" for most of the episode while PB doesn't really care.
Why does she even want that fricking kingdom? It wasn't even her idea to make it so it's not like a sunk cost fallacy
She would likely get more shit done if it was just her and peppermint Butler In a lab
It's not even like she is making the candy people better, she had the power to make them better for centuries
Princess Bubblegum is an independent branch of the mother gum, and she instinctually craves the hive mind she left.
The candy kingdom is just a substitute for when her mind and gum were one with the mass. PB probably can’t help herself.
Hmm no it was pretty good. Finn got to have good, complex relationships with everyone around him. He and PB had highs and lows just like everyone else.
>Finn got to have good, complex relationships with everyone around him.
"I am sad and depressed, therefore i will also make finn sad and depressed" is not 'complex'
>it was good writing
The 'breakup' itself was utterly moronic, and Finn going from 'happy go lucky, capable hero' to 'depressed looser who does nothing while PB and Marceline beat all the bad guys' is downright offensively bad.
>Finn had a tough time with a break up, it was good writing
Finn stops chasing PB because he doesn't want to keep getting hurt emotionally just to start chasing another girl who hurts him physically. Neither girls *mean* to hurt him, its just the reality about irresolvable differences between themselves and Finn. Altering the relationship only slightly and stretching it out for 2 more seasons before Finn learns to stop chasing girls who hurt him is not good writing.
>Altering the relationship only slightly
No, if you remove conflict and flaws from characters they get boring because then you can predict what they're going to do. Finn sucks at relationships, and Phoebe's rapping sucks. That's good. More of that please, and less big dumb fights with big dumb monsters
>No, if you remove conflict and flaws from characters they get boring because then you can predict what they're going to do.
Removing flaws from characters is literally how they handle Marceline and PB's arcs from start to finish. Meanwhile they keep Finn in arrested development for most of the show and don't even know what to do with him really after he learns his one lesson, besides piling on the meta reincarnation and multiverse crap. Your own argument is exactly why the show's drama is a good example of bad writing.
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>Removing flaws from characters is literally how they handle Marceline and PB's arcs from start to finish
They showed PB's flaws, lots of eps portrayed her as a dictator and a cruel mad scientist. It was a noticeable part of her characterization, and those flaws affected the characters around her. Marceline spit on PB one time. There was a whole movie about their breakup and how they both were bad for each other.
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And then those character flaws are resolved and the conflict between PB and Marceline is removed, you silly billy. Again: >No, if you remove conflict and flaws from characters they get boring because then you can predict what they're going to do
The difference is that their relationship increasingly becomes the focus of the show while Finn does have much interesting emotional stuff to do. Even the resolution to his relationship problems, ie Huntress Wizard is written in a detached and understated way, on purpose of course.
There is very little interest in portraying Finn having successfully conquered his personal demons. Instead he becomes more of a witness to increasingly high concept universe building while PB and Marceline get to be actually happy.
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>while Finn doesn't have much interesting emotional stuff to do
frick
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>The difference is that their relationship increasingly becomes the focus of the show while Finn doesn't have much interesting emotional stuff to do.
Yeah, you got a point. Now Marceline is cool, I like that she got more screentime towards the end of the show. It didn't detract from the show to explore Marceline's background and relationships with other characters. Finn could've gotten more emotional conflict, but what he did get was handled well. He went through a bad break-up, and had a tough time getting over it. Finn got some good emotional issues with Jake's death in one of the Distant Lands movies, that was very fitting for the character
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>Even the resolution to his relationship problems, ie Huntress Wizard is written in a detached and understated way, on purpose of course.
That is absolutely understated, god damn. At least the Fionna & Cake crew was nice enough to give HW more content.
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>more content
If by that you mean an off-hand mention that Finn still hangs with her and the implication that she's Finn's fated love in every world where it's possible.
Good writing my ass, that whole relationship was straight up forced trash from the start, they even needed Finn to act OoC crybaby over PB in a stupid scene for him to ever meet FP in the first place
it was bad writing because they had finn act out of character to create conflict
Finn suddenly not understanding that exploiting your girlfiends insecurities to get her to fight an old man is bad and wrong, and having a whole arc to him learning why that was wrong.
Finn, the character who has been so full of empathy and strong morality until then.
There are ways they could have broken up that worked, this was not one of them
I mean hypothetically, she did create a clone of herself for that one guy to frick that one time. She could hypnotically create a near infinite amount of clones of herself though she probably would avoid it all things considered.
It should have. The issue Bubbline created is that when it came to Finn's relationships and dynamics with Marcy and PB, hooking the girls up effectively nulled whatever Finn had going on with them. Seriously, compare the amount of times Finn even SPEAKS to Bubblegum or Marceline once the series starts going in the direction of Bubbline. And that includes episodes focusing on Finn interacting and spending time with them. It's all gone.
>Seriously, compare the amount of times Finn even SPEAKS to Bubblegum or Marceline once the series starts going in the direction of Bubbline. And that includes episodes focusing on Finn interacting and spending time with them. It's all gone
Can't be having too much straight ship bait now chud
>Hundreds to thousands of years after the events of Adventure Time >Finn has been dead for a long ass time >PB creates a clone of him and the rest of the cast >She pretends like everything is the same and doesn't say a word
Honestly could work for some kinda frick up horror reimagining... or in porn.
>Finn's Spirit is torn from the afterlife, and finds himself forcibly inhabiting the clone. >His clone, unable to hold two souls, decays in moments - Finn cursing Bubblegum for playing God.
>Finn finds out he's not the originals Finn >Not only that but he's not the first clone >Everything he knew is a lie >It's all big larp from Princess Bubblegum to relive past glory
Imagine the fan reaction
The whole cast part seems unnecessary. It would be as simple as saying she's reviving him so he keeps serving her as some sort of eternal hero knight, and it's been so long each time no one can tell him otherwise.
I feel like both could be horrifying in their own way, though the big difference is the reason why they're doing it. Both have the horror of the clone Finn remember glimpses of a past and realizing something is wrong but the reason for why she's doing is different. PB recreating the world to relive the past would be done in a desperation attempt to redo the past while the other is done as more or a power play to continue her control over her territory.
Though I guess both could be true in the just Finn scenario after a long enough time.
Context?
In a certain episode a candy person is sacrificed by PB to save herself, Finn, and Jake. After his funeral, PB reveals she can just make an exact clone and has been doing so for some time. Finn is weighing the death of a "person" for most of the episode while PB doesn't really care.
Why does she even want that fricking kingdom? It wasn't even her idea to make it so it's not like a sunk cost fallacy
She would likely get more shit done if it was just her and peppermint Butler In a lab
It's not even like she is making the candy people better, she had the power to make them better for centuries
Bad writing simple as.
Princess Bubblegum is an independent branch of the mother gum, and she instinctually craves the hive mind she left.
The candy kingdom is just a substitute for when her mind and gum were one with the mass. PB probably can’t help herself.
She's a megalomaniac and likes controlling people.
EVERYTHING in that show could have been handled better, to the point just thinking about it makes me angry of how hard the writers fricked up.
Hmm no it was pretty good. Finn got to have good, complex relationships with everyone around him. He and PB had highs and lows just like everyone else.
>Finn got to have good, complex relationships with everyone around him.
"I am sad and depressed, therefore i will also make finn sad and depressed" is not 'complex'
Finn had a tough time with a break up, it was good writing. You should've thought about your own experiences of getting dumped and related to it
>it was good writing
The 'breakup' itself was utterly moronic, and Finn going from 'happy go lucky, capable hero' to 'depressed looser who does nothing while PB and Marceline beat all the bad guys' is downright offensively bad.
Just because you got offended, doesn't make it bad. Become more well-rounded and you'll get how great a character Finn was
Wow, you managed to type a bunch lot of words without saying a single actual fricking thing.
Your criticism is silly. "Finn didn't beat up the monster, so it doesn't count". It's okay if Marceline kills the monster, she's cooler than Finn
She's 'cooler' because they MADE him lame. Trashing a character you don't like so you can jerk off your chosen self-insert is not good writing.
>Finn had a tough time with a break up, it was good writing
Finn stops chasing PB because he doesn't want to keep getting hurt emotionally just to start chasing another girl who hurts him physically. Neither girls *mean* to hurt him, its just the reality about irresolvable differences between themselves and Finn. Altering the relationship only slightly and stretching it out for 2 more seasons before Finn learns to stop chasing girls who hurt him is not good writing.
>Altering the relationship only slightly
No, if you remove conflict and flaws from characters they get boring because then you can predict what they're going to do. Finn sucks at relationships, and Phoebe's rapping sucks. That's good. More of that please, and less big dumb fights with big dumb monsters
It's called ADVENTURE TIME, not GAY DRAMA time
>No, if you remove conflict and flaws from characters they get boring because then you can predict what they're going to do.
Removing flaws from characters is literally how they handle Marceline and PB's arcs from start to finish. Meanwhile they keep Finn in arrested development for most of the show and don't even know what to do with him really after he learns his one lesson, besides piling on the meta reincarnation and multiverse crap. Your own argument is exactly why the show's drama is a good example of bad writing.
>Removing flaws from characters is literally how they handle Marceline and PB's arcs from start to finish
They showed PB's flaws, lots of eps portrayed her as a dictator and a cruel mad scientist. It was a noticeable part of her characterization, and those flaws affected the characters around her. Marceline spit on PB one time. There was a whole movie about their breakup and how they both were bad for each other.
And then those character flaws are resolved and the conflict between PB and Marceline is removed, you silly billy. Again:
>No, if you remove conflict and flaws from characters they get boring because then you can predict what they're going to do
The difference is that their relationship increasingly becomes the focus of the show while Finn does have much interesting emotional stuff to do. Even the resolution to his relationship problems, ie Huntress Wizard is written in a detached and understated way, on purpose of course.
There is very little interest in portraying Finn having successfully conquered his personal demons. Instead he becomes more of a witness to increasingly high concept universe building while PB and Marceline get to be actually happy.
>while Finn doesn't have much interesting emotional stuff to do
frick
>The difference is that their relationship increasingly becomes the focus of the show while Finn doesn't have much interesting emotional stuff to do.
Yeah, you got a point. Now Marceline is cool, I like that she got more screentime towards the end of the show. It didn't detract from the show to explore Marceline's background and relationships with other characters. Finn could've gotten more emotional conflict, but what he did get was handled well. He went through a bad break-up, and had a tough time getting over it. Finn got some good emotional issues with Jake's death in one of the Distant Lands movies, that was very fitting for the character
>Even the resolution to his relationship problems, ie Huntress Wizard is written in a detached and understated way, on purpose of course.
That is absolutely understated, god damn. At least the Fionna & Cake crew was nice enough to give HW more content.
>more content
If by that you mean an off-hand mention that Finn still hangs with her and the implication that she's Finn's fated love in every world where it's possible.
Good writing my ass, that whole relationship was straight up forced trash from the start, they even needed Finn to act OoC crybaby over PB in a stupid scene for him to ever meet FP in the first place
it was bad writing because they had finn act out of character to create conflict
Finn suddenly not understanding that exploiting your girlfiends insecurities to get her to fight an old man is bad and wrong, and having a whole arc to him learning why that was wrong.
Finn, the character who has been so full of empathy and strong morality until then.
There are ways they could have broken up that worked, this was not one of them
what's in her hand in the end
>Quads
Checked
It's a phial of Finn's hair
Oh that's kind of obvious but the vial didn't look vial enough I guess
Does this mean I can have my own bubblegum clone harem?
I mean hypothetically, she did create a clone of herself for that one guy to frick that one time. She could hypnotically create a near infinite amount of clones of herself though she probably would avoid it all things considered.
That's not a no
It should have. The issue Bubbline created is that when it came to Finn's relationships and dynamics with Marcy and PB, hooking the girls up effectively nulled whatever Finn had going on with them. Seriously, compare the amount of times Finn even SPEAKS to Bubblegum or Marceline once the series starts going in the direction of Bubbline. And that includes episodes focusing on Finn interacting and spending time with them. It's all gone.
Friends?! With a boy? Not in my yurifiction
>Seriously, compare the amount of times Finn even SPEAKS to Bubblegum or Marceline once the series starts going in the direction of Bubbline. And that includes episodes focusing on Finn interacting and spending time with them. It's all gone
Can't be having too much straight ship bait now chud
>Hundreds to thousands of years after the events of Adventure Time
>Finn has been dead for a long ass time
>PB creates a clone of him and the rest of the cast
>She pretends like everything is the same and doesn't say a word
Honestly could work for some kinda frick up horror reimagining... or in porn.
>Finn's Spirit is torn from the afterlife, and finds himself forcibly inhabiting the clone.
>His clone, unable to hold two souls, decays in moments - Finn cursing Bubblegum for playing God.
I don't think that's how clones work.
It is now.
>Finn finds out he's not the originals Finn
>Not only that but he's not the first clone
>Everything he knew is a lie
>It's all big larp from Princess Bubblegum to relive past glory
Imagine the fan reaction
The whole cast part seems unnecessary. It would be as simple as saying she's reviving him so he keeps serving her as some sort of eternal hero knight, and it's been so long each time no one can tell him otherwise.
I feel like both could be horrifying in their own way, though the big difference is the reason why they're doing it. Both have the horror of the clone Finn remember glimpses of a past and realizing something is wrong but the reason for why she's doing is different. PB recreating the world to relive the past would be done in a desperation attempt to redo the past while the other is done as more or a power play to continue her control over her territory.
Though I guess both could be true in the just Finn scenario after a long enough time.
Damn this fanart sent me back to 2013.
Those where the days.
Were the comics any good and would they be worth adapting into animation?
Where did it all go wrong for her character?
Do we still talk about her again?
Why not?
How would she respond to your love confession?