It's time to admit that the original Dune was never that great to begin with. The characters are very shallow especially the antagonists and the world building is just rule of cool and not that developped, it stops making sense as soon as you dive in.
the finale comes out of nowhere and is very abrupt. and half the book is spent doing meaningless shit, very emotionally shallow.
"History will remember them as concubines" that's it? where the frick did that come from?
It’s not bait at all incel, Tolkien is considered to be high literature at every prestigious university on the planet, but I’m sure your Cinemaphile discord buddies know better reading trans Marxist philosophy books
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>reading trans Marxist philosophy books
What do you think literature students are reading at universities exactly? It's not Tolkien, we aren't living in the 50s anymore.
>very emotionally shallow.
Leto's character arc is perfectly defined, especially when he realizes he's the last one in his Lineage (until his sister comes along), and must become what no one else ever had - the leader of the Fremen, the Empire and the Kwisatz Haderach.
I don't give a frick if its high literature or not, it's an awesome piece of Sci-fi.
It's a great plot and great worldbuilding that are hindered by Herbert's very, VERY dry writing style. It's why it makes for interesting adaptation fodder - seeing what a different voice can do with the same basic plot and characters.
Also how many ways is Hebert gonna find a way to say: >Paul could see the future but not really, it's one future of many, the vision constantly shifting.
1 is considered a "supreme masterpiece" only because of the effect it had on scifi at the time. A lot of scifi before dune was just nerdwank "whatif" stories that had very little actual substance. Dune by comparison handwaves it all because its more interested in just using scifi as a framework to talk about the interplay of religion and ecology. It marked the beginning of "new age" scifi, at least for mainstream publications. The actual quality of writing hasn't stood the test of time and the sequels 3, 5, 6 proved that frank is really just a hack fraud hippie. 2 is mediocre and 4 is kino though, someone should do a dune "reimagining" where paul becomes god emporer so we can just skip right from book 1 to 4.
I just know they will be too chicken to have a fat Alia (possessed and corrupted by the ego/consciousness of the Baron) so I could care less about any hypothetical sequels
Ironically the fremin were comparable to arabs--not joggers. Chiani was a redhead with an elfin face--not a naggger. The race/gender swap for a key charachter ... I guess could have worked had they not hired a talentless hack that didn't look the part of a desert tribal leader at fricking all.
its a desert right? nig- i mean our african american allies live in deserts right? perfect opportunity to shoehorn blacks into the movie and chuds cant complain because it's a desert and that's where blacks live.
The second one is going to bomb because they delayed the release for too long. Frick, part one already made it through the streaming cycle and is being taken off Netflix.
This but unironically. It's way too dusty and grey. The sky should be blue and there shouldn't constantly be dust everywhere. Look at Lawrence of Arabia for a realistic depiction of a desert.
Why did he make everything so gray? Just give the world a hint of orange and it would look so much better. The heat of the world doesn't come across at all in his film.
>where's my Mexico filter?!
Extreme sunlight bleaches everything it touches. Arrakis would be very pale if it existed in real life. It would be an extreme waste of resources to keep painting exteriors only for them to bleach again in a few months.
His Dune wasn't terrible, but really fumbled the ball on costume design, which obviously should have taken much more inspiration from historical European/Asian courts. The brutalist architecture can stay; it's fine that Arrakis feels like a hellscape. The casting was decidedly ok, and I was more or less comfortable with the pacing.
HOWEVER, the only attractive chick in the entire duology appears to be Ferguson, which is ridiculous. I'm also of the genuine opinion that Messiah is basically necessary to the public's understanding of Dune's themes, and not adapting it would feel like cutting a narrative arc right in the middle, so I hope we'll get that.
>James Cameron will waste his career making movies about blue Indians >Denis Villeneuve will waste his career making mediocre Arab power fantasies >Ridley Scott will waste his career making bland facsimiles of his historic epics >Martin Scorsese will waste his career making shitty clones of Goodfellas
Where did it all go wrong
Studio-driven filmmaking supplanted director-driven filmmaking during the 90s and into the 00s. It means the few competent directors who can still get a project pushed through don't have any real competition to improve their craft. Their films basically do well by default because they're up against directed-by-committee corporate slop.
Dune 2 will be his judgment day. He started out like a nerdy hick. When he made it in Hollywood (Prisoners/Enemy), he immediately dumped his actress wife and took up with a blonde reporter.
He's quite literally a hack
Nolan would have done DUNE better.
nope he's colorblind and it would be more incoherent and dull.
>colorblind
Out of all the potential criticism, you go with the one that defeats your argument
>Nolan would have done DUNE better.
Nolan did batman 3 tho.
But The Dark Knight Rises contains the greatest scene in film history.
yet another holywood writer that doesn't give a shit about the source material and is going to shit all over a classic story for THE MESSAGE.
I haven't watched Dune. What are you referring to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Charles_Villeneuve
Never
No
I had great respect for Villeneuve before Dunc
I have respect because he cast Sarah Gadon in his greatest film Enemy.
Why didn't he cast her for Irulan?
>stopping at messiah
The rest is shit so it make sense
It's time to admit that the original Dune was never that great to begin with. The characters are very shallow especially the antagonists and the world building is just rule of cool and not that developped, it stops making sense as soon as you dive in.
the finale comes out of nowhere and is very abrupt. and half the book is spent doing meaningless shit, very emotionally shallow.
"History will remember them as concubines" that's it? where the frick did that come from?
it's just some kitsch 60s sci-fi that nerds got obsessed with. It's not real literature like Tolkien.
levels of bait
It’s not bait at all incel, Tolkien is considered to be high literature at every prestigious university on the planet, but I’m sure your Cinemaphile discord buddies know better reading trans Marxist philosophy books
>reading trans Marxist philosophy books
What do you think literature students are reading at universities exactly? It's not Tolkien, we aren't living in the 50s anymore.
>One of the most famous and influential science fiction books ever written
Lol, we get it you're a midwit
Tell us more about harry potter.
post breasts
>very emotionally shallow.
Leto's character arc is perfectly defined, especially when he realizes he's the last one in his Lineage (until his sister comes along), and must become what no one else ever had - the leader of the Fremen, the Empire and the Kwisatz Haderach.
I don't give a frick if its high literature or not, it's an awesome piece of Sci-fi.
You mean Leto the father or Leto the son? I didn't get past Messiah it felt anime tier, with waifus and everything.
Probably Leto II, Paul's son.
the truth emerges. Asimov, Dick, Robert Heinlein, Leigh Brackett all mog Herbert
It's a great plot and great worldbuilding that are hindered by Herbert's very, VERY dry writing style. It's why it makes for interesting adaptation fodder - seeing what a different voice can do with the same basic plot and characters.
It peaks with the first worm scene with Leto the father everything after doesn't compare.
Also how many ways is Hebert gonna find a way to say:
>Paul could see the future but not really, it's one future of many, the vision constantly shifting.
that's like 30% of Dune and 75% of Messiah.
1 is considered a "supreme masterpiece" only because of the effect it had on scifi at the time. A lot of scifi before dune was just nerdwank "whatif" stories that had very little actual substance. Dune by comparison handwaves it all because its more interested in just using scifi as a framework to talk about the interplay of religion and ecology. It marked the beginning of "new age" scifi, at least for mainstream publications. The actual quality of writing hasn't stood the test of time and the sequels 3, 5, 6 proved that frank is really just a hack fraud hippie. 2 is mediocre and 4 is kino though, someone should do a dune "reimagining" where paul becomes god emporer so we can just skip right from book 1 to 4.
Biggest hack in Hackwood right now.
That would be Christopher Nolan
No. He's even more of a useless homosexual than you are. DUNC was SHIT.
They should call it DUNE SMASH because that's what I would call my son
>More florence pig
NOOOOOO
No
Wake me up when he gets to make the real wormkino
Only if the Sardaukar is dressed as Israeli soldiers.
I don't trust anyone who casts Zendaya.
I just know they will be too chicken to have a fat Alia (possessed and corrupted by the ego/consciousness of the Baron) so I could care less about any hypothetical sequels
>Florence Pugh as Irulan
Yuck!
>that DOG of a woman as Chani
No thanks
>twiggy twink Timmy as Paul
Not selling it.
Dune Messiah was scuttled by the cast for Dunc 1 and 2.
Ironically the fremin were comparable to arabs--not joggers. Chiani was a redhead with an elfin face--not a naggger. The race/gender swap for a key charachter ... I guess could have worked had they not hired a talentless hack that didn't look the part of a desert tribal leader at fricking all.
its a desert right? nig- i mean our african american allies live in deserts right? perfect opportunity to shoehorn blacks into the movie and chuds cant complain because it's a desert and that's where blacks live.
Time and again the mini series is proven to be the best adaption, the guild approves.
The phrase is "I couldn't care less" you low IQ subhuman.
Frick no. Dune was just an ad for Dune 2.
Messiah would be an awful film, it's soo internal. It should be condensed with Children of Dune
Dune was pozzed trash with bad cgi so I trust the sequel will suck too
No.
Messiah would be much easier to film. It's the shortest novel in the series. I know who's gunna want to play Bijaz.
No.
The second one is going to bomb because they delayed the release for too long. Frick, part one already made it through the streaming cycle and is being taken off Netflix.
>Messiah takes place 12 years after Dune
>Paul is around 30 and ripped without any water fat
>twink Chalamet is supposed to pull that off
KEK
no
this is one of the worst looking shots I have ever seen. hard to believe they let villenureddit make movies
really gives me a galactic empire feeling ya know?
>Nooo why does the desert look hot and dusty, it should be colourful, like my chinese cartoons
This but unironically. It's way too dusty and grey. The sky should be blue and there shouldn't constantly be dust everywhere. Look at Lawrence of Arabia for a realistic depiction of a desert.
The Dune universe is not as populous as say the Star Wars universe, there were probably more people on Coruscant than the entire Dune universe
Why did he make everything so gray? Just give the world a hint of orange and it would look so much better. The heat of the world doesn't come across at all in his film.
>where's my Mexico filter?!
Extreme sunlight bleaches everything it touches. Arrakis would be very pale if it existed in real life. It would be an extreme waste of resources to keep painting exteriors only for them to bleach again in a few months.
I can't take Chalamet seriously in any role. Can't for the life of me understand how he has been pushed so hard.
He needs to do a kino with Sarah Gadon if he wants us to take him seriously.
Dunc was absolutely terrible.
This'll probably be worse.
Kinda amazing how much money was spent on such a low quality cast.
His Dune wasn't terrible, but really fumbled the ball on costume design, which obviously should have taken much more inspiration from historical European/Asian courts. The brutalist architecture can stay; it's fine that Arrakis feels like a hellscape. The casting was decidedly ok, and I was more or less comfortable with the pacing.
HOWEVER, the only attractive chick in the entire duology appears to be Ferguson, which is ridiculous. I'm also of the genuine opinion that Messiah is basically necessary to the public's understanding of Dune's themes, and not adapting it would feel like cutting a narrative arc right in the middle, so I hope we'll get that.
I want to see the script for Lynch's Dune Messiah, not shitty Villeneuve trying to turn it into Lord of the Rings.
I look forward to pirating it when it comes out in 2032
I think we've found our Leto II guys.
>Do you trust a pretentious buttfricked homosexual whose genetic legacy is descended from a nation known for their traitorous history?
No.
Yes.
>James Cameron will waste his career making movies about blue Indians
>Denis Villeneuve will waste his career making mediocre Arab power fantasies
>Ridley Scott will waste his career making bland facsimiles of his historic epics
>Martin Scorsese will waste his career making shitty clones of Goodfellas
Where did it all go wrong
Studio-driven filmmaking supplanted director-driven filmmaking during the 90s and into the 00s. It means the few competent directors who can still get a project pushed through don't have any real competition to improve their craft. Their films basically do well by default because they're up against directed-by-committee corporate slop.
Dune 2 will be his judgment day. He started out like a nerdy hick. When he made it in Hollywood (Prisoners/Enemy), he immediately dumped his actress wife and took up with a blonde reporter.
Lynch did it better
>Do you trust Villeneuve?
Of course. He's one of the last filmmakers with soul being granted large budgets