He took a major downgrade considering he was fricking a literal alien space princess, and she has better chemistry with the bug, who literally tries to kill her every time they meet. Why are they even together?
Does ANYBODY have any enthusiasm for DickBabs?
No, he should be with Kory it’s absolutely moronic how they keep trying to push Babs
Dick/Kory hasn't been good since the mids 80s.
Dick/Babs has never been good.
You'd think with the popularity of the TT cartoon, not to mention Go, DC'd be more inclined towards Dick and Kory. I mean, there's a whole legion of casuals that literally can't imagine Dick and Kory having any other love interests.
When DC is run by Bat editorial autist, it's impossible for them to think about anything other than the Bat family.
This is actually true to an extent. The entire reason the Dick/Starfire wedding didn't happen was because the Batman editorial demanded Nightwing be pulled from the book so he could exclusively appear in Batbooks, then did the whole "Batman is just an urban myth" thing so kept vetoing later attempts to use Dick (and Tim) in subsequent Titans books in the '90s.
Because their counterparts in the comics are nothing like the show. Trying to pander to TT show fans is a waste, all they really want is raven porn.
Really? Because reading titan characters in Dark Crisis feels like old Teen Titan show characters
AND I didn't see Barbara in Dark Crisis issue 1
They(the show runners) really should had not underestimated the impact raven and beast boy had in the long run compared to robin and starfire because they thought robin was going to be enough to captivate fans as a main lead. Raven honestly became the shows most populat character next to BB because robin and starfire never had the personality to connect to their audience like the former.
Raven and Beast boy got entire plot arcs dedicated to them though. Its a cast of 5, it was always going to be a balancing act. And so much of what makes Raven popular is headcanon and fanart anyway.
Dick and Kory were a thing before the show. Also we want Terra and Starfire porn too, homosexual. Maybe Jinx as well.
DickBabs is basically a thing that morons like because Dick was Robin and Babs was Batgirl so it "makes sense", even though them having any romantic inclinations is mostly a modern thing that came well after Teen Titans.
DickBabs and DicKory is basically like the Spider Marriage. They know that most fans generally like and prefer Kory as his love interest but don't want to bring it back because they know the only end result of that is marriage which they don't want to do. It just has an added dose of shipping autism by people who are in love with Babs, likely because she was their waifu as a kids and teenagers (like DC's Kitty Pryde), so they self-insert as the cool and handsome Dick Grayson in order to be with their waifu.
I mean better pick Raven or Supergirl then, if DC doesn't let us have Kori
Barbara is so stupid, boring and useless. Dick can have anyone else there on chair and he would get same results
Barbara doesn't know anything about his Titan life. And Dick and Bruce always talk about Titans and Justice League.
Comics Titans suck big balls, it's a good thing Dick isn't 100% chained to it.
God, I feel like I'm about to snooze just looking at this page.
why is nightwing copying spider-man?
That’s how Tom Taylor writes every character. As Peter Parker. Man woman or child they all talk and act like Peter Parker.
>Ywn have a Babs gf
🙁
Babs is for Beetle
Never heard of this ship but I automatically support it over Dickflabs
Mainly a Birds of Prey thing, but I still think it'd be fun.
Have you tried actually reading a comic book?
Ted is for Booster Gold
have a nice day, fujoshit.
>shitting on a couple older than you
Dumbass.
Relationships in comics are like death in comics, most never last so there's no point in getting invested.
It's really all for Babs' benefit, she's just not that interesting on her own.
She's a hot redhead in a leather suit. Plenty interesting aside from her brains and big boobs.
She was when she was Oracle.
Being a whiny mission control is not that interesting.
More interesting than her with Dick though.
On that I agree. Being with Dick is unironically the worst thing that happened to Babs. After Moore and O'Neil that is.
yes it was
Babs, you have her phone tapped and track her by satellite, you ABSOLUTELY know where dat ass has been.
>no mask
>literal stripper outfit
Comics have come a long way since then.
I mean, she's been turned into Oracle recently, for some totally arbitrary reason and her comicbook sells like utter shit.
So it seems that Babs as Oracle and Cass as Batgirl is not a surefire recipe for ducces.
I know there's something off, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
sounds like more of a writing issue, which seems to be a DC-wide problem, than something being wrong with Oracle
It's almost as if putting Babs in front of a computer for no goddamn reason, essentially sidelining her in the process is consequently met with the fan apathy.
Most Babs fans wanted smart Batgirl doing Oracle stuff, while they have gotten dumb, incompetent Oracle.
Honestly batgirl doing "oracle stuff" doesn't even sound that appealing. This might not be popular opinion but ignoring the whole legs thing batgirl feels like a giant demotion from oracle. She was literally running her own worldwide spy network and was superhero tech support. Outside of her maybe being a bit too powerful/good, I found that way more appealing as a story foundation than whatever the hell she was doing (usually poorly) as batgirl. I guess the biggest problem is Oracle sort of necessarily puts her largely in team books but I'm not sure that's even a bad thing
Oracle always felt like a "coccon" stage for me. She's not really her own independant superhero, because she's insanely dependant on everybody else, she can only play a support role in her own team, she's just a mission control with a wheelchair gimmick. And there is nothing stopping Batgirl from having a vast spy network and being an active member there. It would actually be more interesting, IMO.
>there is nothing stopping Batgirl from having a vast spy network and being an active member there
Yes there is, her need to dress up as Batman knockoff but cute and stay in Gotham all the time because Gotham and Batman and Batfamily and Gotham and Batman and all Batfamily needs to be in Gotham all the time because they just do.
I love actually love her to frick off from Gotham actually, so she can finally start doing thing on her own, rather than being a tardwrangler to half of the Batfamily, who don't even need her help all that much.
Same. They actually play up the others' moronation to force her to wrangle them imo
Funnily enough, that image comes from what is arguably Babs’ strongest Batgirl run.
And it's usually posted without context.
I’ve always thought that a good evolution to Babs would be for Dick to somehow get back with Spyral and become the leader, then get Babs to be his number two. Maybe get some other of his close friends of his involved
Eh, Babs as "number two" usually ends with her doing frick all. She's already his number two in Nightwing, and she's barely a thing in that book.
Yes but it's a hot female character who used to fight and was then put in a desk job. Regardless of her will to persevere making her take up the mantle as Oracle, normalgays who don't read comics but are still listened to b***h about her being turned into a cripple while the boys still go out and have fun. Other female action heroes exist and male heroes who die or get crippled? Doesn't matter. Oracle being decent cripple representation when the woke crowd was calling for such things? Doesn't matter, a white girl got perceivably demoted and so of course normalgay women need to b***h about this character they barely know yet still self insert as just for the sake of b***hing.
what? le sjws prefer her crippled.
Because Batgirls is a poorly written book that manages to piss off everyone.
So DC should cancel it and drop the dumb ideas that don't translate well into comicbooks.
Only in pity for Barbara kind of way. She's been stuck with so much bullshit, she deserves something good. Other than that not really.
> raimi-man 2 ending ripoff
only more disgusting is dick/babs shippers
Just give Nightwing a harem
>not paring Dick with Tarantula in a total trainwreck of a relationship that he just can't quit
Babs has Killer Moth. Why not?
Did you think I was joking when I posted that?
No. And neither was I
Well, the appeal of BatMoth is that underneath the clusterfrick of dominance games and sexualized violence there are two people who genuinely enjoy being in a relationship with each other and kind of use it as an outlet to be normal people. So it stands that Nightwing/Tarantula's appeal is that it's Dick's dirty and violent little secret where he allows himself to be morally compromised under a veneer of superheroics. Remember, Tarantula isn't a villain, she's a fairly corrupt and manipulative anti-hero.
>Dick tries to marry Babs
>Marriage license is denied
>Now Dick has to track down Tarantula, and she's going to divorce rape him this time.
What's really funny is that Teen Titans established that Dick and Kori were legally married despite the ceremony getting interrupted (since the ceremony is irrelevant to filing the legal documents), and as far as I know DC never retconned that fact.
If Dick divorces Kory, does she owe him alimony?
He's the eldest scion of the Wayne family fortune, she's literally a refugee. Dick's gonna get alimony'd so goddamn hard.
I mean she can go back to her alien planet or any other alien planet. She doesn't need to stay on Earth. She is only on Earth because of Dick
Babs for Todd wiener
You, monster!! That boy have suffered enough.
>Why are they even together?
To prevent him from becoming a homosexual. Is that what you want?
You should ask Tom Taylor what he wants to do with Jon and Dick
Starfire is a terrible character and Dick hasn't had a good story with her or the Titans in general in 40 years. I don't understand why anyone would want Dick to be suck in that mess. Babs is easily the best of the two options.
>I don't understand why anyone would want Dick to be suck in that mess.
Its just disingenuous bullshit from Toon Titans fans who want brand synergy, even though they would never pick up a comic, even when they ere literally making 03 Titans comics.
They would have been great together but their timelines never matched up.
They did make out once while Dick was Batman.
Lucky Dick
sure if you like mayonnaise sandwiches, vanilla ice cream and think salt is too spicy
Otherwise, its the most boring and uninteresting couple ive ever witnessed. Plus Babs is a real b***h to Dick for no reason alot of the times. I prefer them with people outside the batfam.
Babs is by far the worst of the Nightwing ships and has an even worse very loud fandom that cant separate canon from fanon
When Dixon first had Dick and Babs hook up in the 90s he flat out said that he didn't write them as a couple who would last. He was perfectly fine teasing Dick with other women and Babs with Ted, likewise Simone barely showed their relationship and clearly had no interest while Grayson actually broke them up. For all the people talking about how Dick and Kori are ancient history, Dick and Babs broke up in 2004 and didn't get back together until 2021. Also ever since Nu52 writers tend to treat Babs and Dick as highly toxic towards each other with her being an unreasonable b***h and him being a demanding frickboi.
Batfans seem to have a large group that isn't aware comics were published and time passed between the turn of the century and the present. See also the delusional Tim/Steph shippers who think they didn't break up 20 years ago and ignore that they were only back together because of invisible retcon.
There was never an issue where Tim and Steph outright broke up. When Steph became Robin they stopped talking but it felt more like a quarrel than an outright breakup. Then when she comes back from being dead Tim's dating someone else but not necessarily serious, and they still refer to their crimefighting nights as dates. And even if them hooking up again was sudden in rebirth, it still happened.
When you stop seeing your boyfriend cause you stole their job its a break up. When you put out a hit on your boyfriend to make him a better person its a breakup, when your boyfriend say I'm leaving town and never let me catch you in that spoiler get up again its a break up.
>For all the people talking about how Dick and Kori are ancient history, Dick and Babs broke up in 2004 and didn't get back together until 2021.
They were broken up, but they were stuck in a perpetual will they/won't they for most of that in between times. They were still in each others' orbits, except maybe during the DickBats era? Even when they had other relationships, they kept popping in on each other.
This is generally where I am too. I generally like the Batfam best when they're a more contained unit away from the wider DC universe. And I like the relationship that Dick/Babs had during the Dixon run and then in the Rebirth era through now.
But I'm also tired of the endless parade. If it's just going to fizzle in a year, I'd rather let the characters grow in separate ways for a while.
>But I'm also tired of the endless parade. If it's just going to fizzle in a year
It's allegedly building up to something. I bet he knocks Barbara up.
It has to do with Dark Crisis
Taylor even said this
Honestly, I don't trust DC editorial to let a plan follow through to fruition.
Co-signed. No chemistry.
If Dick dates within Gotham, then his best match is Helena. Babs' easiest match is Bard, but BatMoth is spicy good.
Babs was originally 14 years older than Todd. Jason Todd/Barbara is just as weird as Damian/Raven, and the only JayBabs shippers are just DicKory shippers who want Babs out of the way.
>Babs' easiest match is Bard
I guess that didnt work out.
>but BatMoth is spicy good.
Seriously though, has there ever been a heroine/villain ship that's lasted more than an issue or two? I feel like teasing it happens every now and then, but having it as a recurring element and even an on again off again thing is rare.
For a certain definition of villain, you've got Black cat and Spider-Man. Batman has had Catwoman, Talia, and Nocturna as serious love interests, but both Catwoman and, at the time, Nocturna are thieves and writers nixed the Talia relationship when they moved her solidly into supervillain territory. The main issue with hero/villain relationships is that the moral disparity can't be too great, otherwise you can't really sell the relationship.
The issue is that Dick and Kori's relationship has to be seen in the context of the NTT comics, where his relationship with Kori plays a major role in his character development from Robin into Nightwing.
Yeah, you can't really be fooling around with "Conquer Ze World!" types for too long. An impish rogue who doesn't physically hurt people often is understandable though. You can also do an X-Men style extremely different philosophies thing, but that only lasts until the villain does something beyond the pale.
>An impish rogue who doesn't physically hurt people often is understandable though.
I personally have a fondness for thieves and cat burglars. Especially these days.
Barbara is like 4 or 3 years older than Jason now
Beats shipping her with Bruce.
Infinitely more interesting than DickBabs will ever be. Both DickBabs and BruBabs work as jilted exes like in Batman Beyond.
Was Babs around Bruce's age or younger in the 80s?
If you take the "Bruce is always 30" approach most writers joke about, closer to Bruce. At that point she had been a college graduate, had worked in politics for a bit. She was definitely younger but maybe 8 years younger instead of 15.
But everyone in 80's comics were treated like a mature adult one they hit 19 anyway. Look at Dick in the Wolfman Titans comics compared to later stuff. Just a serious, straightlaced man.
whats disturbing about this is that in the 90s its implied dick babs had a history before he returned to Gotham. So that means Babs had a romantic relationship with a teenager when she was an adult. This is why ill never support Dick Babs. Because it paints babs as a groomer. I'm surprised people are not more upset about this ship because they love to scream about Bruce Babs even though each time it happened they were both consenting adults.
Dick left for college the same year Babs debuted; he was always legal.
He also chased her by interning for her while she was in office.
Dick's teenage crush and Babs' viewing it as cute in a youthful swagger kind of way only for them to actually get together later in life could have served as a nice foundation for the relationship, but DC was intent on not actually developing the relationship organically but instead constantly inserting retcons that clash with the actual books being published at the time. Suddenly it went to love at first sight for both of them and they always wanted to be with each other because it is a romance more fated than Babs getting stuck in a wheelchair.
Funny how this is always considered a male power fantasy scene when really it could be seen as the other way around too. Imagine scoring with Batman, while he's out being Batman.
My "power fantasy" invoving Batgirl is somewhat different.
Why aren't civilian significant others a thing anymore?
Why can't Babs just meet a nice guy at physical therapy or something?
Simone did briefly mention that Babs was fricking her physical therapist in the first few issues of her run, but that was dropped in favor of Ricky. It didn't end too well for Ricky.
>Forensic Psychology
How often does Babs use that particular set of skills?
A therapist fricking a patient is super fricking unethical. Close to Rape (it may actually be depending on the jurisdiction)
As the next post stated
She's technically his boss. That would mean she's raping him.
either way it could result in him losing his job
A lot of comic book writers (and editors) are hacks and can't conceive of interesting ways to write a superhero with a non-superhero so it's way easier to just pair superheroes together since in addition to (badly written) romance you can have them go on adventures together. Way easier to write Spider-Man and Black Cat flirting while fighting the Tinkerer than it is to come up with interesting stories for MJ that don't involve her being a superhero.
Same general reason they hate marriage, because it's far easier to just write a character with a rotating cast of shallow girlfriends than it is to actually write a meaningful relationship in a book about people shooting lasers at each other. Remember that DC back in the 2000s wanted to end Superman's marriage and Chuck Austen was brought in specifically to do it.
What? Dick/Kory was always popular. If you want to blame the cartoon for anything, blame it for Beast Boy/Raven which is infinitely worse than even DickBabs and got forced into the comics as well as changing Raven's entire character into an emo teen.
>it's far easier to just write a character with a rotating cast of shallow girlfriends
Do we get that much?
Yes, especially with wish fulfillment characters like Dick and Spidey. Writer comes in, puts them with their preferred girlfriend. Writer leaves, new writer comes in, jettisons the relationship to put them with THEIR favorite girl, etc. Frick, at one point in the 80s you had Peter being shipped with (damn near simultaneously or very consecutively) Deb Whitman, MJ, Felicia, Joy Mercado and Marcy Kane (who later turned out to be an alien and became Jack of Hearts' girlfriend).
considering that raven and beast boy hook up in the 90s before the cartoon and she rape him. i wouldn't blame the cartoon for her personailty
>blame it for Beast Boy/Raven which is infinitely worse than even DickBabs and got forced into the comics as well as changing Raven's entire character into an emo teen.
No they didn't. Raven was kept the same character until Johns left TT and she was placed in Titans which ironically already had her and BB broken up. I get you hate the ship but if you want to make up stuff just to justify it, take that shit somewhere else
Worse in my opinion, what's with the trend of civvie gf/bf characters going "OMG YOU WERE LYING TO ME THE WHOLE TIME!?!" when they find out their love interest is a fricking superhero? I recently started Batman Beyond 2018 and they pull that shit there too. Like how do you not think it's cool or at least worrisome that your love interest is out there kicking ass and saving lives? No shit they will try to keep the ones they care about safe by having a secret identity. You could argue the hero character should have trusted the bf/gf enough to tell them, but that's a grey area depending on how long they've been together or how well they know each other. All the outburst "YOU LIED!!" shit does is make the gf/bf look like a selfish sperg but they're almost never given any sort of comeuppance for it. Invincible is one of the worst offenders especially in the show, but that instance has been discussed plenty, I think.
This. I genuinely enjoy it when the superhero has a relationship with someone normal. I enjoy Peter Parker and Betty Brant, Bruce Wayne and Silver St. Cloud, Diana Prince and Keith Griggs, etc because it adds another layer of excitement and fun.
Frick it, I'll come out in defense of them; I just think they're cute. I like that Dick is a bit scatterbrained but sweet and Babs is highstrung and a bit b***hy. Frankly it just works for me. I don't like the Gotham capes intermingling that much with alien elements(yes I know Nightwing is a Kryptonian name;Dick's relationship to Superman is great, but its one of the few I like in that regard.) Starfire's relationship is just bland to me, there's no fun dynamic, just a really loving girl and a bland hero Dick. He can't tease her the same way he does Babs. Plus the first Robin dating the first(non-hyphenated) batgirl just feels right.
>relationship is just bland to me, there's no fun dynamic
and Babs and Dick don't have a dynamic either unless Dick is being written like an absolute moron.
I know Babs is going to be whatever sock puppet the writers want her to be. But if we had a Babs that was free to express her every sexual and psychosexual aspect, could Dick handle her?
Full-on psychosexual violence thrill junkie Babs? Probably not. He'd be looking at issues dealing with Nu52 Simone Babs.
Does Dick have any under explored sexual aspects that might give Babs pause?
Yes, but they're more the kind that gets you dumped and makes you a douchebag than fun ones.
>done as a pseudo apology after a ton of shit writers butchered her after Dixon left
One of my biggest point of contentions with Miller's run is how it treats her time as Spoiler as something she needs to atone.
>One of my biggest point of contentions with Miller's run is how it treats her time as Spoiler as something she needs to atone.
In all fairness, by that point war Games was still a big TPB seller, and most general comic fans knowledge of her probably came from that. And even after that, just look at
for an idea of where Steph was right before she got the Batgirl book. Its like they wanted to make her unlikable as possible to get at Dixon or something.
>the first(non-hyphenated) batgirl
Bette deserves better anyway.
I want Bette to have a cordial, professional relationship with Dick that makes it 100% clear that she no longer has any interest in his personal opinions regarding her and her superheroic career, and for Dick to not really be able to handle it.
>I like that Dick is a bit scatterbrained but sweet and Babs is highstrung and a bit b***hy. Frankly it just works for me.
Buddy that is also Dickkory in NTT, with Kory being what you like about Dick (in addition to being more fiery and passionate) and Dick being what you like about Babs lmao
Except Kory made Dick less high strung and b***hy
It's almost like dickory and dickbabs was a bird of a feather situation... Next to Nightwing, Kory and Babs just exist to be the love interest and their personalities is whatever compliment how author write Dick.
And that dynamic is just less interesting when its a man being the high strung one. It just makes Starfire seem vapid.
She IS vapid. Starfire is just a ditzy airheaded bimbo.
>I just think they're cute. I like that Dick is a bit scatterbrained
Dick is anything but scatterbrained. He is cannonically intensive and organzied. Literally it makes me mad to see how shitty fanon has changed the core characteristics of Dick as a character. He is a lot more analytical and straight laced than people give him credit for. Dixon really did him a disservice by giving his best traits to Babs and Tim
To be fair, his brains have literally been scattered rather frequently of late.
Yeah, Dick’s characterization has changed a lot from “Batman, but he worked through his mental and emotional baggage” like he was in the NTT days. And those changes have rarely been for the better.
Because NTT Dick is fine for an 80's teambook, but boring as frick for a solo. I get that NTT is a sacred cow for people, but the writing is very stilted and dated. Dick's personality before NTT is being fun, quippy, and cool. Letting adult Dick have some of those Robin era traits isn't a bad thing. If Dick wasn't the cool big brother he wouldn't have the appeal he manages to have now.He shouldn't be an idiot or a wreck like devon Grayson put him on track to be, or overly cute, but there's no problem in letting him be free-wheeling.
>a wreck like devon Grayson put him on track to be
Under Grayson he was not only being actively assaulted in his civilian life by Blockbuster, but also being directly manipulated and gaslighted by Tarantula. If anything Dick hung on remarkably well during that period.
IT WASN'T RAPE, JUST NON CONSENSUAL SEX!!!!
I want writers to run with the idea that Dick himself isn't really sure it should be counted as a rape.
I REALLY don't want today's woke writers to do a commentary on male rape. It'll be a cringe page on "toxic masculinity" or some shit.
They'll probably chuck it into Jon's book and talk about consent in the m/f and m/m relationships he'll have since he's bi. But I hope they take Jon deeper into Legion of Super Heroes territory.
>If Dick wasn't the cool big brother he wouldn't have the appeal he manages to have now
well this is false because the cool older brother image is what makes him look like an entire joke. You do know that people think Nightwing is a weak and boring character mostly because of Batfam "older brother" content and not the NTT content. NTT isnt the holy grail some think it is, but Nightwing had a far better reputation as a character than he does now. NTT made Dick a star.
Anon, NTT was in its heyday nearly 40 years ago. The normies online don't think of Dick as the NTT Dick, because they weren't born back then. The Dick everyone talks about is the personality established through BTAS and the Nightwing solo.
I grew up with BTAS but the more popular Dick now comes from Teen Titans Animated, Young Justice and TTGo!. Or for people lazier than that, Titans HBO.
fricking this
It's really really easy to tell who read more Dick or prefers Dick with the batfamily because the batfamilygays think of Dick as a one note sunshine idiot. Dixon fricked the character when he gave Dick's intelligence to justify Tim and Babs. Now there's probably no fixing that because DC can't make a good Titans book to save their life despite the franchise probably being on par with the JL in popularity... if not surpassing it since Titans is still one of the most streamed shows despite being shit.
No. Dick deserves better, and Babs deserves to be put out to pasture after Castelucci ruined her beyond reasonable repair.
I think everyone's just sick of Dick in general.
I think the audience is tired of the rest of Batfam, except Bruce and Dick.
when well written
I choose to believe that man is a different character and the woman on the right is insulting him.
Babs should have stayed with Luke Fox. Dick should have stayed with Starfire.
how can human girls even compete?
She can start with taller heels
>taller heels
even if she went full bimbo mode that might not be enough to compete with starfire
I still say a team up would be fun.
>full bimbo mode
>Babs, you need to head back to the Clocktower, you still haven't fully recovered!
>It was just a telepathic attack. Sure, I was out of it for a couple of days, but I'm back to normal.
>You ripped out the thighs and armpits of your costume.
>It's July, gotta keep cool. Black Canary wears less.
>And the ballet point stilettos?
>Mostly just to make Cass seethe.
>>And the ballet point stilettos?
This would be a dream.
>>It's July, gotta keep cool.
Just makes me wish we had open jacket panels for Burnside.
Why did Kory lie to him?
>Hey Dick! A hot redhead in high heels, carrying candy and flowers, wanted to speak with you, but she ran off crying. I think you can still catch her if you jump naked out the window.
Don't think it'd work.
It's a part of a bigger problem where both characters graduated from being Batman orbiters and had their own characters and settings, and were demoted from that. Oracle isn't an all-encompassing administrator for the superhero community anymore, she's another Bat sidekick. Same with Dick.
>Oracle isn't an all-encompassing administrator for the superhero community anymore, she's another Bat sidekick
But anon! She's so much better now that she can walk again! She can, uh... have storylines about her implant stopping working (It won't) or, er.... fight James Jr! Or maybe... even... have... stories about her implant maybe stopping working or fighting James Jr!
But anon! What if!!! She cuts out her own implant in some ham-fisted gesture of personal agency!!! Won't that be empowering!!
I likedRobinStaarfire when I watched Teen Titans but I think Kory just really doesn't fit in most Batseries because she is a tall orange alien who walks around in a bikini most of the time. It would be hard for her to be his wife and then randomly show up in a more serious bat story.
I don't care about Babs when she isn't Oracle.
Like someone else said, the problem is that Dick (and later Babs) had graduated from being Batman characters into characters in their own right with their own lives, worlds, casts, etc. and DC more or less demoted and devolved them back to being Batman's sidekicks. Dick especially kept getting yo-yo'd starting with Batman editorial yanking him out of the TItans around the time of the wedding because they wanted all the Batman characters back in the Batbooks and thought that Kory wouldn't fit there being an alien. Dick got fricked over hard by Bateditor autism.
Dick getting yanked out of Wolfman's fiefdom was great for him, though. Titans hasn't been any good since the late 80's, the character is way too important to stagnate in book that was running off of sheer momentum by then.
You're talking about franchise that includes multiple evil clowns, a chick who can control plants, 8 different shapeshifters made out of living mud, a guy with a freeze gun who has to live in inside a refrigerator, an immortal Middle Eastern terrorist with an army of ninjas, and a guy who looks like a crocodile.
Pre-Flashpoint Babs was canonically 7 years older than Dick (although Batgirl: Year One really messes with the timeline), which put them at roughly 32 and 25 when they hooked up in the 90s. What irritates me about a lot of the Dickbabs pushing is just how much it relies on retcons as Dick was already 18 when Babs debuted and his attraction to her was a pretty one-sided crush.
I think part of the problem is that writers and fans are always asking how does Starfire fit into a Nightwing setting but never ask how Nightwing would fit in a Starfire setting (pretty well considering no one has a problem with Dick on the Titans). Also God forbid DC do anything with Dick that isn't diet-coke Batman.
>You're talking about
Exactly Gotham breed metas born out of science or industrial frick-ups and pshyco/neurotic rogues. A super powered alien, or princess, is out of place here. It's like asking one of the supe-family to operate in Gotham.
>never ask how Nightwing would fit in a Starfire
True. But that's asking an A-lister to play fiddle in a C-lister book so I can't blame DC for not going there just to catter to a shipper fanbase. The reverse would just be what we have in current Nightwing, but with Kory instead of Babs being the perfect waifu doing shit offscreen. Still a nothing book for Nightwing in the end.
>nothing book for Nightwing
I think they chose that safe route when they picked a mediocre writer like Tom Taylor and one of the best artists they can get for Nightwing (Redondo). People rarely buy current day Bat books for the story. They buy it for the art.
That's the problem, Kori is good for Dick because of the two characters, but she's the worst thing ever if you want to preserve the sanctity of Gotham as being more grounded and relatable as a setting. Simply put, Kori is too powerful to make most of Gotham's threats stay threatening.
Dick is not even supposed to be in Gotham for the vast majority of the time so how is that a problem? The Blud on that point needs a setting shakeup anyway
No, bat characters MUST stay in Gotham to coddle Bruce's constant psychosis. Also Damian must be prominently featured at all times and when he isn't present, characters must ask "where is Damian?"
Which is an idiotic notion anyway. You have a metric frickton of Batkids just piled on top of each other in Gotham, with all those Batgirls and Robins stepping on each other's toes, while you can scatter them all over the world so you have different flavours of Batman Inc. Have Babsgirl go to Chicago, so she can have cyberpunky spy adventures, have Red Hood go to Detroit where he becomes a crime boss, Cass can frick off to Hong Kong and Steph can have her family-friendly kiddie adventures in Burnside or something. Then can team up once in a decade in a crossover. Everybody's happy.
I would read this. You Don 't need bat characters to stay with batman
IMO, that's the only way to move on with status quo. Because Batfamily is like a black hole, people check in, but don't check out. Batfam is getting bigger and bigger, but nobody is leaving. Having the Batkids spread out across the US would unfrick so many current story problems.
People can follow a Robin/Batgirl story they want without any package deals or feeling like their character is getting fricked over.
Nobody leaves because batfamilygays start screaming and crying when they aren't constantly popping up in each others' books.
Back when Grayson was coming out Seeley got harassed daily from batfamilygays being performative woke when in actuality their biggest problem with the book was Dick was away from the batfamily and the book wasn't a retread of Dixon's run.
I don't get Devin Grayson's haters who hate her for making Babs a jealous b***h when pic related shows she was already a jealous b***h before Devin got her hands on her. Even Simone wrote her as being a jealous hateful b***h towards Power Girl.
Starfire is also a complete garbage dump in the comics. Zero good stories in decades.
BoP routinely tangled with enemies more powerful and threatening than most of Gotham's threats, and did so with two Bat-related characters and an additional street-level vigilante.
Why can't they settle it with a healthy Poly relationship?
Fricking comics. There are more then just one type of romantic relationship! And it doesn't have to be monogamous het or token gay!
5 person polys exist!
Goddamn mononormatives.
A poly relationship that isn't just 4 ugly dudes and a fat chick is less believable than seeing Dick swing around the city like Spider-Man
Look at this:
Dick and 3 women(Starfire, Barbara, Supergirl)
Dick and 2 men(Wally, Jon)
Dick and batfamily(3 brothers and Bruce)
I mean everything is here. Dick needs to leave the bat nest and go on a journey.
I still think it would be fun if MJ started an emotional affair with Felicia, confesses to Peter, and Felicia suggests making it a three-way.
I thought modern Marvel was cringe?
Because poly relationships call for scheduling and these people are all on call all the time.
The only problem with a Dick/Kory/Babs Poly relationship is that Kory and Babs don’t really have a relationship with each other. I’m not even sure we’ve ever seen them directly interact before.
>I’m not even sure we’ve ever seen them directly interact before.
The infamous page. Also indirectly through Oracle and Babs being nosy.
Oh, right. Well I meant something more substantive, they two of them don’t have any kind of relationship other than “romantic rival”
The problem is it's 2 women and 1 man, one WHITE CIS man no less, making it too much of a male power fantasy for twitter to not cry about.
I've noticed a lot of Dickbabs shippers who clearly just self insert as Babs are hating how Taylor is portraying their ship
She's supportive, affectionate, and attentive. What's so bad about that?
She is like 99% of women. Tell me why she isn't boring. No wonder Bruce like evil women like Talia or Catwoman
>99% of women
>supportive, affectionate, and attentive
Yeah, that's a hard no.
someday you will become worthy of love anon. someday
No he won't.
Lol
She only exists to be Dick's cum receptacle.
LMAO
And Barbara even likes it. To be a prostitute and used goods
Babs has never been supportive, affectionate or attentive. lol she is literally always very grounded, rigid and un agreeable espeically with Dick or any other female. Ive read most of her stuff and im finding it super hard to see where people get this idea that Babs is motherly/sisterly when she has been portrayed as none of that. The line between canon and fanon has clearly been blurred.
This. Taylor's babs not even a character. She's a plot tool and a waifu. Solving the issue thanks to her mad computer skills while being 1000% supportive toward Dick. She's just Kory 2.0
Well it makes sense given that Taylor's not much of a writer and can't actually write a real story. He writes twitter moments loosely connected by the thinnest of plot threads but they're only in service for people to clip out panels and go "YASSSS" or "OMG I AM ALL ABOUT THIS" on twitter.
All things toxic shippers are not.
>Huh-huhh-huhuhhhh...
>DIckbub...
>Uhhhuhuuhhhhuh...
Dick should leave Babs and Starfire. He had three new love interests (Helena, Shawn and Bea) who worked out fairly well and had a strong foundation only got ruined to push bland ass Dick Babs because DC writers are unoriginal and cant write for shit.
I kinda liked Shawn and didn't like what Seeley ended up doing with her. I feel like she and Dickfacer in general would've stuck more had Seeley had a longer run (like 50-60 issues) and had written her more as a secondary protag or sidekick like Steph was back in Tim's solo.
>Why are they even together?
Because it's natural and wholesome. You sound like the bitter ex that's seething over the fact the person you dated in HS ended up with that makes makes them happy.
when is the team bicycle going to get around to fricking Damian?
Dick/Starfire is best couple.
Unsure about Babs, but I think she might end up like Bruce, having little to no time for anything other than casual flings
Dick is a (mostly) ethical bawd that can't settle down.
There are like five different comics where he blows off Babs for something or someone or other. He fundamentally can't commit. Rolling stone circus spirit and all that.
Somewhat
both have way better ships and only seem to be together for dumbass editorial reasons despite having 0 chemistry. BoP made me love Ted/Babs since they actually have shit in common besides a bat job and bounce off of each other in a good way. Dick could go a bunch of ways but Starfire is probably the best because their personalities and dispositions really work well together regardless of how you feel about the quality of titans comics but from a narrative standpoint she kinda doesn't fit in a nightwing setting without some notable changes.
Overall though it's pretty obvious that DC or capeshit in general just isn't interested in making decent romantic relationships or anything built to last or isn't filled with a bunch of easy and cheap drama
i wonder how often the supers use their funeral outfits. i'm guessing it's quite a bit.
Yeah, Ted/Babs is great because Ted's jokier nature can get Babs to lighten up while Babs being more serious helps to ground Ted. It's one of those pairings that's completely random but winds up working out incredibly well. I think that's a big problem in general with a lot of relationships in cape comics. The characters are put together because people want to see X with Y but it's not really thought of in just how the two characters are supposed to fit together and what each brings to their relationship.
The biggest problem with DickBabs is that they have been portrayed as a brother/sister relationship in so many story lines.. It just feels wrong
DickBabs is just as incestuous as TimSteph, BruDick and JayDick but I don't mind. What I do mind is sanctimonious dildoes who have no issue with DickBabs or TimSteph but villainize the other batcest ships.
i may not like steph but the only reason shes apart of the batfamily is because she was dating tim nothing incestuous there
I like Steph. She reminds me of my high school crush, a beautiful but troubled white trash girl from the wrong side of the tracks that got knocked up right after high school.
That makes sense, since Dixon did say she reminded him of some of the girls in his boonies town in PA where he grew up.
Tim/Steph is gross too.
Timsteph was barely bat related. It's about as wrong as Dick/Helena which is to say not at all. This is an unpopular opinion but I think Steph becoming so bat affiliated was a huge detriment to her character in general and was only done as a pseudo apology after a ton of shit writers butchered her after Dixon left
>just as incestuous as a man and his son and two brothers
dislike both because they're boring as frick but you moronic.
Steph was a random chick Tim dated she was never related to batman and despite being batgirl Babs has her own family. Sounds like you're just salty no one likes your gross incest ships.
Seethe all you want, DickBabs will never be anything more than Tom Taylor's lame SpideyMJ fanfic for years to come. Even BruBabs and BabsMoth is more compelling.
I haven’t ever seen this yet I see it parroted all the time.
Why is Vampire Dick more suave and assertive than Dick Dick?
Why didn't he just turned her?
DcvVampires was good at first but it's going downhill
He even saved her life and killed his vampire buddy. Why?
>Why didn't he just turned her?
He's trying to convince and seduce her before NOM
Yes but why?
If he wanted to turn every bat member why did he killed bruce in front of everybody?
Because even if Bruce was a vampire, Dick couldn't trust him. Vampire Bruce would try to kill vampire Dick
I'm still surprised Bruce went down at all, to be honest.
Bateditorial bans him from going down anon, wdym.
I still can't believe Zack Snyder posted that
Children's characters btw.
>Why didn't he just turned her?
Good morning sirs
People love this vampire Dick character
Everyone at my comic shop is talking about this
>entire thread of seething Titans autists
I like it, it's fine and like any good comics couple, there's nothing wrong with it unless some writer is trying to make it fail. I've barely read any Titans and never watched their cartoons, but those aren't going to make me start caring about Starfire over Babs anyway.
Of all the times to make them a couple, it had to happen when they were millennials. Babs will be fricking that dog by issue 100, while Dick pats himself about what an open relationship they both have.
How old are you that you're complaining about millennials, who are on average 33-35 years old?
Because millenials are writing them, dummy.
Then complain about the people writing them, not some nebulous group you can shake your fist at because the world angers and confuses you.
>waaah waaaah
yep, you're a millenial all right.
Tom Taylor is 50 years old and has kids
Boomers on the internet are fricking weird, they just go into schizo rants about imaged issues when you can just search for info on a creator in seconds. I've seen artists from the 80's accused of being tumblr art
Babs and Dick aren't even Millenials; rule of cape comic time means they're at or under 25 so they're zoomers if anything.
>Babs and Dick aren't even Millenials; rule of cape comic time means they're at or under 25 so they're zoomers if anything.
Zoomers with college degrees, AND full cape careers? Thats' pushing it.
>Zoomers with college degrees
You can get those at 21, and Babs graduated college at a super early age, didn't she? She's a prodigy in that regard. Remember, generations encompass 10+ years, and Cinemaphile has been ranting about zoomers for 5 years now. The kids who were 18 when that started are now college graduates. The Millenials who called gen Xers boomers are now boomers themselves. Time marches on. Actual kids and early teenagers are generation alpha now.
Keep in mind that due to Crisis shit they now have the memories off all their prior incarnations. Dick never went to law school, canonically he dropped out college after his freshman year pre-Flashpoint; pre-Crisis Earth-2 Dick was the one with the law degree. Babs did have a law degree pre-Flashpoint which she got by going back to college when she was something like 30, but post-Flashpoint she never finished grad school.
Dick should be with Babs, you’re moronic if you think otherwise.
Shit taste. Babs is for Beetle.
Beetle is irrelevant
Much like Babs, that parasitic life-force leech in the Nightwing book.
...I'm only reading the book for panels of Babs.
Even Ted and Babs admitted they were just friends.
BabsBeetle where Booster's driven into Bruce's arms as a sad skin-ship type of thing. It gets sadder after Ted dies and Babs decides to be with Dick.
>Ywn have a vampire Babs to suckle.
Life is cruel.
I'm a contrarian. Dick's best ship was the girl who was too alpha for him.
All that glorious hair and mullets. I wish this aesthetic came back.
Babs is for being dominated by alien slave princess
Babs is a fan of Teen Titans GO
I think she just likes trolling Dick with her apparel.
I'm surprised at how quickly Babs' b***hiness here was just forgotten.
I think everyone just wants to forget Castellucci’s run ever happened.
All except for pic related, apparently.
THANKS TYNION
They're boring together because they're boring apart.
Why did they stop using that beautiful blue for capes and cowls? And I suppose, hair?
>considering he was fricking a literal alien space princess
Aside from the trophy wife angle which shouldn't even matter here, dickbabs is just boring as frick and feels borderline incestuous with both being Fighty Morbin Batman Rangers characters. Kory has personality traits that compliment Dick and they're different enough that you can have them clash for drama, Babs is a fine character but both her and Dick make each other more boring if you put them in a romantic relationship together.
DickBabsKory threesome's the way to go. DC already has a "throuple" in Lagoon Boy
Nightwing, Starfire and Batgirl in a Polyamorous Relationship
Nah. Babs got turned from her own independent superhero into a trophy wife and a secretary. Talk about a downgrade.
I will vehemently support DickBabs until either the heat death of the multiverse or until TTG gets canceled, whichever comes first.
A bit unrelated, but I’m getting pretty sick of the Babsgirl bait covers that have been popping up more frequently in Nightwing and Batgirls. It sucks thinking that Babs will finally get to suit up only for that to end up not being the case.
I mean, we have a Batgirl movie and a videogame coming up and DC knows that Babsgirl sells (or sells better than current Batgirls anyway), so they are doing this bait hoping people will fall for it.
They picked the worst possible moment to retire Babsgirl, I swear to god.
It genuinely worked better when she was Oracle.
But everything worked better when she was Oracle.
Now they're just two young fit good looking perfectpeople. Boring.