Was a conscript, ate lots of bread with my food, did lots of work and I've turned into a big guy with a belly, took some effort to get rid of that nasty belly.
Even if that was true, there is no way to even remotely accurately estimate > the nominal calorie content of anything > how much calories your body can even use > how much calories your body needs to expend to use those calories > your resting calorie usage, let alone your active usage
It's all bro science, the only reason calorie counting kinda works is because you start consciously consider what you're putting in your body
You can't survive on water alone either, as you just said. Also cold water effectively takes energy (calories) from your body, this figure on the other hand can be perfectly calculated but isn't very useful at all.
>this figure on the other hand can be perfectly calculated
Yet you just said it couldn't be calculated:
<"there is no way to even remotely accurately estimate"
Accidental typo?
>Also cold water effectively takes energy (calories) from your body
wut
Say you drink 1000 ml of 10 °C water that will heat up inside your body to 37 °C. The amount of energy needed for this is 112968 joules, which is exactly 27 calories (which really are kilocalories to be exact).
In order to break down complex sugars and starches, your body also needs to expend some energy before being able to use the energy contained within. You can also calculate this exactly.
Now try doing this to a bowl of salad or a cheeseburger and you will realize it is impossible to do, even the input data differs wildly from study to study, there is no way to tell whether you are in 500 cal deficit or 500 cal surplus, or some other value entirely.
If you're the average sedentary homosexual in the industrialized world, you burn >1,200 calories a day if you're a woman >2,000 calories a day if you're a man
These rules of thumb are tremendously useful even if they don't apply to (you) because you're a midge or you swim 25 miles a day or whatever
Assuming you're a fatass, you know your caloric deficit is working when you weigh yourself once a week for a month and the number is on a slow downtrend. In the (incredibly unlikely) even that you're underweight, simply increase calories to go the other way.
What the frick is complicated about this other than a massive screaming cope of "I DON'T WANNA"?
I counted my calories before and I know it works, but not because you or anyone can estimate any calories.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>In order to break down complex sugars and starches, your body also needs to expend some energy before being able to use the energy contained within
This is true, and the amount of energy your body spends breaking down food can vary quite a bit. Burning proteins for energy is much less eficient than burning grape sugar
Ultimately, this energy expenditure is too small to really matter for your weight loss calculations though. Even if it results in a 5% imprecision, that shouldn't be enough to frick up your diet, because you wouldn't be seriously trying to lose weight on only a 5% deficit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm okay with this. As far as I'm concerned the biggest benefit of calorie counting is still the fact that I notice what goes down my gullet. I bet 99% of people couldn't accurately list what and how much they ate yesterday.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly, the best tips for weightloss is to find the foods that make you feel full faster and for longer.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Calorie counting doesn't work. Fasting + cutting out processed food works. I did it when I was in my 20s and I noticed:
>dandruff gone >hair grew longer since scalp wasn't dry and flaky >lost 50lbs >stopped snoring, slept better >no more acne >skin felt smoother >nails got harder >teeth got whiter >pooped much less and came out smoother >didn't get tired as easily >people said I looked younger in general
I'm almost 30 and look better than I did at 19.
Fasting + cutting out junk worked.
I stopped fasting once the weight came off but will do it again if I ever get fat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's great anon, I'm really happy for you.
What kinds of meals do you eat now? I found learning basic cooking is what helped me. I fell for the keto meme and it made me feel much better, but only recently I worked out it was just because most of the garbage I USED to eat was carbs.
Nowadays I eat really simple, easy meals that are actually balanced (no meme diets) and I'm happier and healthier. Literally every aspect of my life is better because of it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I basically eat almost no procssed foods. That's literally all I need to do now. Dinner is basically meat and veg. Breakfast is meat and fruit. Lunch is meat and fruit. The fasting really opened my eyes as to what my old diet was doing to my body. I would recommend everybody do a 72 hour fast just to see how their body reacts to not having junk inside it every day.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's what worked me too (nothing processed). Introducing rice to get some carbs back helped so much for cheap/fast meals. I fricking love my rice cooker.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
White rice is good but get some simple carbs in there like fruit. If you cannot afford fresh produce I think people should buy frozen fruit and blend it with water and just drink it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I should definitely eat more fruit, you're right.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah the first thing I noticed when I did a 3 day water fast was that my dandruff was mostly gone but then it came back once I started eating McDonalds, pizza, chips, and bread.
Fasting is a good way to prove to yourself that your diet is causing your health problems.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have a hardcore case of dandruff (scalp, brows, nose and upper lips) and I eat pretty healthy. Bowl of rice are the only carbs I eat, otherwise it's just greens and meat and eggs, with the occasional banana and some milk. No refined sugars at all, no alcohol or any drugs, no bread, no sweets, no cigarettes, no coffee, just unsweetened tea without caffein in it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't have dandruff you have seborrheic dermatitis
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So... it's over, isn't it?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can use an anti fungal dandruff to help but it's incurable, yes.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's fricking over.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's dermatitis. You need to go on a fast until it clears up. Then slowly introduce foods until you notice the ones that make you flare up. Usually its stuff like tomatoes, potatoes, grains, etc.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
People with severe skin issues should fast to reset their gut. Something you are eating is really hurting your gut. All skin issues start from your gut being raped by your diet. I suggest fasting and then doing mono meals until you figure out the cause of your gut distress. For some people it store bought eggs, for some people it is nightshade plants like tomatoes, for some people it is pasteurized milk. For most people it is any kind of grain.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's dermatitis. You need to go on a fast until it clears up. Then slowly introduce foods until you notice the ones that make you flare up. Usually its stuff like tomatoes, potatoes, grains, etc.
I find it wild that we found a cure for HIV and for a whole bunch of cancers, but not fricking dandruff...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dandruff is just your gut reacting to shitty food. You will notice it is mostly gone after a water fast. Same with acne and ezcema. All skin issues are just gut distress. Once you give your gut a chance to heal itself by fasting or cutting out processed food, the skin issues go away.
Can you still excercise while fast, particularily jogging? Or wait after the fast?
You will find that it is easier to exercise when you are actively fasting. I recommend doing the following to guarantee weight loss without needing any outside help. >eat every other day, fast in between those days and just drink water and keep yourself busy with work, hobbies or exercise. Eat Monday, Fast Tuesday, Eat Wednesay. etc.
Do this until you reach your desired BMI then stop fasting but cut out processed foods from now on. You will also notice your stomach will shrink and you can't eat as much in one sitting.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Can you still excercise while fast, particularily jogging? Or wait after the fast?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ntw but I get bumps on my tongue when I drink orange juice or eat raw tomatoes.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nightshades like tomatoes are bad for many people but oranges shouldnt hurt you.
Stupid question, does rice count as a grain?
Yes, but white rice is the least harmful grain so most people can enjoy it in moderation but you will get fat from eating too much and sticky glutinous rice is more fattening than something like basmati or jasmine. I think most people are OK with white rice for lunch and dinner but the rest of your carbs should come from raw honey and fruit.
count calories for everything you put into your body. I guarantee that count is high if you're not losing weight.
bread is especially bad, not saying you can't have any but personally if I do sandwiches they are open-face because even just 1 slice is 100+ calories.
Counting calories is stupid and a trap for women. It is better to avoid processed food. If you are fat or obese you should fast until your fat is down to a healthy BMI then just avoid processed food alone.
In terms of gut things generally not.
It IS a grain.
It tends to be gluten the problem, which is found in anything wheat.
This anon is correct. Gluten is the culprit but you will find that in processed food as well. I always tell people to go gluten free even if they don't have celiac but the best answer is no processed food at all.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Counting calories is stupid and a trap for women. It is better to avoid processed food
I agree with avoiding processed food but calories are an important concept people just ignore. Also it's a much easier first step than telling someone to water fast immediately. Count the calories to see just how shitty your diet is, cut the worst of it out, and make improvements to reach a certain goal. Then if you're comfortable do the water fast to drop quicker.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Counting calories is stupid
tell us you're fat without telling us you're fat
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I only eat basmati or jasmine rice nowadays, it smells and tastes so much better it's amazing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stupid question, does rice count as a grain?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
In terms of gut things generally not.
It IS a grain.
It tends to be gluten the problem, which is found in anything wheat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dandruff is just your gut reacting to shitty food. You will notice it is mostly gone after a water fast. Same with acne and ezcema. All skin issues are just gut distress. Once you give your gut a chance to heal itself by fasting or cutting out processed food, the skin issues go away.
[...]
You will find that it is easier to exercise when you are actively fasting. I recommend doing the following to guarantee weight loss without needing any outside help. >eat every other day, fast in between those days and just drink water and keep yourself busy with work, hobbies or exercise. Eat Monday, Fast Tuesday, Eat Wednesay. etc.
Do this until you reach your desired BMI then stop fasting but cut out processed foods from now on. You will also notice your stomach will shrink and you can't eat as much in one sitting.
Thx
My new life begins today
I WILL wash my rice
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
My life totally changed after fasting. I didn't want to do it at first but when I started doing it the weight just kept coming off so I just kept doing it and everybody I knew kept asking me what I was doing but I didn't tell them I was fasting because they would say I'm crazy. Meanwhile, I was crazy for being 250 lbs at age 20 but I got to 170 after 8 months of fasting and I kept it off.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
hey fatass can you drop some knowledge for someone with those same issues but underweight? should i just eat junk food and pray?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you are underweight you need to increase your protein, and carb intake. Dense fruits, more rice, more meat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So basically drink more cold water and eat spicy food if you wanna lose weight.
he's right, if you drink cold water, it cools down your body which in turn has to spend calories to keep its temperature. similar to tasting bath in freezing water.
the issue however is that... the amount "burned" from that process is so miniscule that it's basically a cope thinking drinking cold water and taking a cold bath everyday will offset you eating... anything really.
>take in less calories than I spent in a day >still gain weight
Yeah, i think its time to admit calories are a faulty concept and that diets and calorie counting is a meme to keep people buying expensive "healthy" food.
Can we admit the "adult males burn 1900 calories a day just being sedentary" is a fricking joke?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
there's a simpler way to do it. Take your goal weight and multiply it by 10, stick to that figure until you reach it. Then, you have to choose the best way to get those calories into you. You go with higher value/lower carb foods.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What the frick?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
if you want to be 150lbs
cut to 1500 cals and stay there until you hit it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh right, now I get it.
That's hard to calculate though, because I don't weigh my greens, I just throw them in a pot. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less.
Not physically possible. You're lying to yourself, time to check what you're really eating or how hard you're really jogging during your workout sessions.
Greens are not "healthy" by some magic, they're "healthy" because it takes your body effort to digest it, so some of the energy you get from the food is lost on turning it into energy. Getting fat by eating veggies is perfectly possible, basically what sumo wrestlers do. Its simply much harder to become fat because veggies are more inefficient as a food source. Thats still only half a story, you still need exercise of some kind to burn down calories.
>Greens are not "healthy" by some magic, they're "healthy" because it takes your body effort to digest it
Or, you know, because they have a higher nutrient content than fricking empty carbs
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>empty carbs
How can carbs be empty? What is the difference on a chemical level?
>hint: nothing, it's just another buzzword rooted in broscience
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nutrients don't burn your fat. We're talking "health" on the context of obesity. You can get nutrients licking a rock, doesn't mean rocks are healthy to eat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not physically possible. You're lying to yourself, time to check what you're really eating or how hard you're really jogging during your workout sessions.
Greens are not "healthy" by some magic, they're "healthy" because it takes your body effort to digest it, so some of the energy you get from the food is lost on turning it into energy. Getting fat by eating veggies is perfectly possible, basically what sumo wrestlers do. Its simply much harder to become fat because veggies are more inefficient as a food source. Thats still only half a story, you still need exercise of some kind to burn down calories.
Greens don't contain any nutrients that an occassional vitamin pill won't fix.
We can't digest the fibre, mostly, depends on your gut fauna I guess, some bacteria can do it, but it makes you feel full in times when too many calories are a problem.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Greens don't contain any nutrients that an occassional vitamin pill won't fix.
Greens are for cows and deer that are made to eat it. We get those nutrients from eating the cow and deer. A vitamin pill is stupid and something only women take. If you want to take pills, take grass fed liver in pill form. Much better nutrition than some shitty vitamin.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was just an example to show that greens are easily replaced in most of their use.
Anyways, plenty people exist on almost exclusively meat diets. And that seems to work just fine indeed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gut fauna
You're a homosexual who puts gerbils up his ass?
>anon becomes the first perpetual motion machine in the history of the universe
Why are you wasting your time shitposting on sudanese sourdough forum instead of contacting every scientist you can for your nobel prize?
If you're the average sedentary homosexual in the industrialized world, you burn >1,200 calories a day if you're a woman >2,000 calories a day if you're a man
These rules of thumb are tremendously useful even if they don't apply to (you) because you're a midge or you swim 25 miles a day or whatever
Assuming you're a fatass, you know your caloric deficit is working when you weigh yourself once a week for a month and the number is on a slow downtrend. In the (incredibly unlikely) even that you're underweight, simply increase calories to go the other way.
What the frick is complicated about this other than a massive screaming cope of "I DON'T WANNA"?
Calorie labels are inaccurate and your diet affects your metabolism, so you can reduce your calories on paper but end up increasing your calories in. Or you can reduce your calories on paper but end up reducing your metabolism by even more as a result, making you gain weight.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics was formulated in response to the concept of engine efficiency, which it describes abstractly. The people you're responding to are pointing out that diet changes the efficiency of the 'engine' (the body), so they're not violating the law at all.
[...] >Thermodynamics is determimed by what's printed on a label.
moron. Read my post next time.
If you find out that you won't lose weight despite counting calories, it means that either you miscalculated the calories you burn or the calories you ingest. It's utterly irrelevant what caused that miscalculation, you just need to adjust your food intake or exercise routine to make up for the mistake. The moment you start eating less calories than you spend is the moment you start losing weight and nothing can change that.
You can keep iterating until you find a diet where the witch's brew works out and you are at a caloric deficit without a nutrient deficit, or you can just abandon the CICO framework and construct your diet correctly the first time by using proper nutrition principals.
>The moment you start eating less calories than you spend is the moment you start losing weight and nothing can change that.
That depends on what he eats. A donut's worth of calories in apples is not going to be stored in his body as fat as readily.
Kek. You correctly suggest using caloric averages as a starting guide and then recording your weight over time, so you can construct an objective dataset to make your adjustment decisions off of and they say “bro science.” This is literally the same method manufacturers use for physical inventory, but nah, totally, fatties are right, it’s impossible to construct a model of general accuracy for your own body. Might as well just eat pizza everyday and not bother working out.
>>1,200 calories a day if you're a woman >>2,000 calories a day if you're a man
Keep in mind hight plays a huge role. I've known manlets at my gym who look jacked eating around 2k/day. Even sedentary eating that much at 6'2" made me a skeleton.
some number of calories in dr pepper vs the same number of calories in fish is not the same, but a lot of the time people think it is, either because of how they're raised or where they live or whatever.
in those cases, people ought to have a more nuanced understanding.
The CICO conversation doesn't mean all food is the same, it's to give people a framework in thinking towards eating within a budget.
Practically speaking it's important to have a balanced diet because 1200 calories in refined carbs will have you feel like you're starving vs 1200 calories coming from a balanced diet with a lot of dietary fiber and protein.
>but a lot of the time people think it is
No that's a smaller problem, the bigger problem is getting people to believe CICO is real at all
this also doesn't work because your body does not perfectly burn calories either. it probably burns somewhere around 50-60% of the actual food calories in reality. maybe the percentage is even lower in fatties
You don't need to know any of those exact numbers. You know that the body retains some calorie content, and the higher the calorie content of food, the more gets retained, and this is obviously and easily demonstrated by obese people who eat a lot of high calorie content and get obese.
Bread breaks down into sugar so that your body can utilize it as a form of quick energy. If you don't use that energy, it gets stored in your body as fat. Of course if you eat too much calories and don't use those calories in a physical activity, the calories get stored as fat.
Lmao do people really believe this? Do they think our bodies are some sort of magical alchemical apparatus? Can my body also turn iron to gold? Copper to mercury?
>Dr Berg
The algorithm pushed a few of his videos onto my screen.
I'm sure most of what he says is factually correct, but he takes such a dogmatic approach about good food vs bad food that it just gets ridiculous.
Also he does the meme keto diet which is a big red flag.
Not saying you are wrong or not, but anybody who posts google answers screenshots should never be taken seriously. For anything. And you may even be a bright person with good intentions, even well-read.
Doesn’t work. I was burning 600 extra calories a day after being sedentary and maintaining my weight for years. Keeping the same diet, I should have dropped a pound a week but I didn’t lose shit. This was 2 months of daily exercise
>CICO is true, it's just thermodynamics >But we can't determine CI because it's individual to the body >And we can't determine CO because it's individual to the body
How is this useful advice then?
and what was your diet during that period?
exercise helps a little but a calorie deficit honestly does most of the work.
t. dropped 15lb with a 1500 calorie diet
I mean it didn’t change from what I was eating already. I did add protein powder.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I didn't change my shitty diet, I just added more calories
protein powder is a great building block but you need to cut all the other bullshit.
seriously, just count calories and keep it below 2000, lower if you want to lose faster. it's that easy.
you will probably go to bed a little bit hungry. that is the fatty pleb filter. that's just how it is and it's not the end of the world.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s not even that bad, I was eating chicken, whole grain bread with cream cheese, butter, cold cut sandwiches, corn flakes, a good amount of milk in cereal and coffee. Also tried to get more fiber with wasa crackers and psyllium husk pills. The shittiest things I eat are occasional frozen pizzas, frozen pretzels, and honey with a koulouri cookie crumbled over it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Way too much dairy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s true
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
count calories for everything you put into your body. I guarantee that count is high if you're not losing weight.
bread is especially bad, not saying you can't have any but personally if I do sandwiches they are open-face because even just 1 slice is 100+ calories.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
unsweetened whey protein shouldn’t have broken the buck on the weight loss, it would have actually made it easier since it’s more filling for longer. This is proof exercise doesn’t work
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I agree that exercise isn't as effective as a calorie deficit but it's not like it does nothing.
Again I do 1500 calories and that is probably much more responsible for my weight loss than the 15-20 minutes of walking I do 4x a week. but exercise does burn some calories and it improves heart health and circulation which is a big risk factor if you're sitting around all day or have a family history like I do.
So yeah if you don't wanna exercise that might be alright, just means you have to cut even more calories. Just don't come crying when you get deep vein thrombosis or something.
>61 minutes of exercise >over a period of a week.
You do realize a minimum exercise is 40 minutes a session, meaning 120 minutes per week? No wonder you're a disgusting obese slob you lazy frick. You're lying to yourself.
How is there a minimum for excercise? Even 10 minutes of light cardio is better than sitting on your ass. Once you realize this everything gets easier, forming a habit gets easier, you can literally hack your brain into not needing motivation to do shit, just by taking small steps.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
40 minutes of light cardio is the recommended. At least in Europe. No wonder you burgers are so fricking fat. If you're not getting sweat, you're not doing proper exercise.
No that’s the daily average
Is it? "March 24-30"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm from the EU friendo. Again some rule of thumb bullshit of a number that morons like you apply to everything. If you want to build a habit instead of going to the gym twice for 90mins, you must consider even a 15 min workout a proper workout, otherwise you will fail your habit very fast.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I didn't say 90 minutes, I said 40 minutes. 40 minutes is perfectly fine as a starter, its little over half an hour, just enough for you to break a sweat. And its not my recommendation, its the EU health recommendation for cardio and exercise. Go to any doctor and they give you the magic number of 40 minutes to any patient.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This anon gets it. What matters is changes that can become part of your lifestyle. Beating yourself up for not reaching some arbitrary goal is doomer cope.
15 minutes walking is better than nothing. 10 minute workout that makes you sweat is fricking awesome, if its something you do so often you end up pushing yourself more.
Exercise doesn’t work for losing weight…it doesn’t burn calories in the way of calories in > out
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It does, thing is your body adapts itself over time for the burdens you expose it to, making the calorie burning less efficient on the same exercise. Any major strain for your body burns calories. Getting pneumonia loses weight.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly exercise didn't work for me when I lost weight. What made me lose weight was fasting every other day. If you are fat the only way to lose weight easily is to force your body to not keep consuming junk. However, once you stop fasting after the weight is gone you have to change your diet or you will get it back.
Fasting = stop eating so much. Its so simple I wish I had done it sooner. It also forced me to stop overeating during meals since my stomach shrank while I fasted so I literally couldn't eat like I did before.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It does, thing is your body adapts itself over time for the burdens you expose it to, making the calorie burning less efficient on the same exercise. Any major strain for your body burns calories. Getting pneumonia loses weight.
Yes it looks like the body is too stubborn to let that weight go
>energy or matter existing
So it was created at some point
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What are you some kind of creationist? Nothing existed before time even existed and then, after a while, nothing exploded for some reason and that's where matter and energy comes from.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes but there's no evidence of it appearing out of thin air.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>christcucks not shoving their bronze age moron religion into every discussion challenge: Impossible
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’m not arguing for creationism, just saying something that exists has to be created. Humans will figure out how to create energy in 100 years when the average person has effectively Einstein level intellect
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Jesus lived in the Bronze Age
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Easy there fedora, maybe you should take your edge back to /r/flyingspaghettimonster with the rest of your euphoric xisters
>dude is a fat piece of shit for YEARS >gets mad when the magic number doesn’t drop from 374 on the scale to a nice 185 after doing two months of bare minimum
NGMI, fatty. Beyond that, muscle weighs more than fat so even if you are “slimming down” you probably will maintain the same “weight” even though it is becoming a healthier weight.
>when the magic number doesn’t drop from 374 on the scale to a nice 185
Not angry at you man but I hate when people focus on the number when they try to lose weight. It's not about the number. It's about how you fit in clothes. It's about how you look in the mirror. It's about how you feel when you move around. Stop focusing on numbers. Only women do this and obsess about it. Don't even bother buying a scale. Just fast + remove processed food and you will lose weight faster than anything you could ever do on your own.
>Exercise doesn't do anything for weight loss
It does, but it is NOT as effective as fasting.
Exercise should be about building muscle, not cardio homosexualry. All you people do is jog anyway. Runners look like homos.
>yes BUT
just coping at this point. A rooner has more muscular endurance than you, and will easily outlift you with time. Meanwhile you will always be a 5-rep powershitter without the resolve to eat 10,000 calories a day
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>A rooner has more muscular endurance than you
hahaha no runners are just gays who are scared to lift because its "dangerous"
You don't need to know any of those exact numbers. You know that the body retains some calorie content, and the higher the calorie content of food, the more gets retained, and this is obviously and easily demonstrated by obese people who eat a lot of high calorie content and get obese.
>this is obviously and easily demonstrated by obese people who eat a lot of high calorie content and get obese.
If those people just fasted, the body could recover by taking a break from those calories...but yeah 4000 calories per day is definitely going to kill them when they could cut that in half by simply taking a 36 hour break in between eating.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>measurably more oxygen circulating through body >this is somehow gay
Sure thing fatty. Already winded from that last set huh?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>fatty
anon your gay body cannot even push the sled I do in my backyard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rooners are the ideal humans, we are as close as possible to our ancestors. Powershitters like you are just doing the job machines already do
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Powershitters don't understand that you need to roon all day long if you're doing the hunting-gathering lifestyle. They would just get gassed in the first hour, hell they're not even suited for farm work they have so little resistance.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>we are as close as possible to our ancestors
our ancestors are not deer being chased by wolves you gay homosexual.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Our ancestors were resistance hunters not powershitting cripples.
All calories aren't equal. Your body isn't a simple machine. Sure, you can use your simplified formula but someone smarter is going to accomplish more than you using far less effort.
Based moron. Celts had advanced coin printing while whites were still using wooden clubs. Celts also spread across two continents during antiquity while whites had their big start during the rennaissance in like the 17th century.
>Celts >Not White
What the FRICK are you smoking my homie? Non Anglo-Saxons ofc, but they were White as hell culturally, linguistically, and geographically.
Bread is one of the worst things you can eat and the more processed it is, the worse it is. I stopped eating it and lost a lot of weight plus my wife says I don't snore anymore and I think its because the bread was causing inflammation in my airways.
Basically don't eat processed food and you won't get fat. A little bread is OK as long as its not the processed kind. Baking your own bread from scratch is also an improvement.
Bread, especially highly processed bread causes: >diabetes >tooth decay >skin issues like dandruff and psoriasis >sleep apnea >excess weight gain >hair loss >joint deterioration >stomach and gut issues >colon cancer
And that's just the biggest ones.
Which one is it? Also bread has been a staple of human diet for +10,000 years, I don't buy into the whole "it's actually killing you!" hysteria going around in recent years.
>Finally, there is the staple of many people's day - bread. The sugar content in the average slice of processed bread varies but can be as high 3g. Some sugar is formed naturally in the baking process but it is often added too.
He's talking about how carbs break down regardless of breads sugar content, silly goose. Carbs. Break down. Into. Sugar. In our bodies. Not during production of bread, not added in.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok. They still add sugar to bread during the production.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah like a teaspoon to a whole loaf, and that gets eaten by the yeast
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
NTA but American bread also has added sugar, both anons are right.
Bread, especially highly processed bread causes: >diabetes >tooth decay >skin issues like dandruff and psoriasis >sleep apnea >excess weight gain >hair loss >joint deterioration >stomach and gut issues >colon cancer
And that's just the biggest ones.
Yes. Bread, refined sugar, processed food, and seed oils make you fat and give you degenerative diseases that get worse as you age.
To lose weight, eat natural foods like fruits, meat, eggs, fish, vegetables in their natural forms. Better yet, take long breaks between the days you eat aka fasting, so that your body has time to use the food to maintain itself.
That idiot thinks your body eats your heart to survive when not eating. The body is not stupid. When you fast, your body eats your excess fat to survive until your fat is gone. The longest fast took 380 days for a huge fat frick to do under the care of a doctor. Look it up. He lost tons of fat and was medically healthy.
>died >perfectly healthy
Do you even hear yourself?
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woosh
3 weeks ago
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Nta but this is pathetically dumb. Everyone dies frien. Your mom is going to die. Hopefully healthy, happy and at home with her family.
3 weeks ago
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She won't be healthy when she dies. She'll be dying.
3 weeks ago
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Actually anon when she dies, she won't be dying, she'd be dead. Sorry for your loss.
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>she won't be dying, she'd be dead
You got me there.
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No he didn't he died of stomach bleeding or something like that. He lived for 20 years after his fast so it helped him. I don't know any 500 lbs people who get to 51. They usually die at 40ish.
Fasting is fine if you are fat because your body will use your extra fat to support itself long before it goes after muscle. I fast every week and I never have issues plus it keeps my weight in check. Anybody who is over a BMI of 25 should be fasting.
>everyone itt talking about caloric content of... bread...
Not carb counting and how bread makes us fat by continuously supplying sugars (empty carbs) for our bodies to use as energy sources instead of fats as it should be.
What is ketosis?
How is it we all need the same nutritional requirements but would rather argue dietary rumor for decades rather than scientific bodily needs. Whatever.
>What is ketosis?
The latest buzzword in meme diets. Humans evolved ketosis for when we run out of carbs, it's an emergency pathway. Stop relying on your emergency mechanisms you homosexual, this is how you get sick.
They will absolutely discover keto has some long term health problems the same way they found intermittent fasting massively increases heart attacks.
You KNOW what your body is evolved to do, you're smart enough to figure that out. Stop spitting in Gaia's face.
>what your body is evolved to do
Humans absolutely evolved to gorge themselves briefly and then starve for extended periods of time, this was the norm for over 200,000 years, while agriculture has only been the last 10,000
Our bodies EVOLVED for intermitten fasting you gay, do you think our ancestors always had something to eat every single day?
Yup, you fell for the intermittent propaganda, sorry chuds. Meanwhile every culture on Earth talks about eating regularly spaced meals with small portions.
Lol this is fricking stupid. So basically holocaust survivors who were starving in camps all got heart attacks? Most of them live longer than most people on earth. Fasting is one of the most common things to do on earth but heart attacks happen the most to people who literally eat all day long like Americans.
>We do not know from this study if time-restricted eating causes a change in the body that might increase the risk of dying from heart and circulatory disease. Or if those who are more likely to die from heart and circulatory disease, might also be more likely to be on a time-restricted diet.
>For example, someone may have gone on a 16:8 fasting diet because they’ve been told by their doctor that they need to lose weight and we know that living with excess weight is a risk factor for heart and circulatory disease.
All it tells us is the kinds of people that put themselves on diets like this are the kinds of people more likely to have heart failure.
>article starts with a question instead of definitively saying something >uhh well the research hasn’t been all published or “peer reviewed”
Who knows what caused the results if they are valid, the people they tested might have been shoveling slop like McDonald’s because of the smaller window
That doesn’t even make logical sense. Humans thrive because of our brains, of course early people would be saving food and nibbling on it to keep their energy up as opposed to gorging and then going hungry for awhile.
>what your body is evolved to do
Humans absolutely evolved to gorge themselves briefly and then starve for extended periods of time, this was the norm for over 200,000 years, while agriculture has only been the last 10,000
Fricking kek brainlet. A 2 second search would have shown you that were not supposed to be breaking down sugars for energy sources like we've naturally trained our bodies to do over the last few decades. I never advocated for keto. Simply asked if you anons are familiar with ketosis which is when your body reverts back to burning stored fats (instead of continuing to store them... hmmmm) it's like a "cleaner" energy for our bodies. But sure, go ahead and keep stuffing your face amerifat and tell yourself whatever you need to stay happy.
>It's like a "cleaner" energy for our bodies
Bahaha imagine actually believing this hippie bullshit.
Carbs and sugars are in heaps of naturally occurring food sources which is why keto is so hard to do. It's not some "get back to nature" escape, it's incredibly unnatural and you WILL get sick doing it.
>refined sugars ALWAYS have been in foods duh >this must be why native indians had such bad dental problems... oh wait, they didn't have cavities??? Hmm...
moronic cope. Sugar war has been going on since the late 40s
I never said you should eat REFINED sugar, I simply said that our bodies were built to process sugars and carbs which occur in nature. Even your pet Injuns were consuming large quantities of carbs regularly. Fricking potato and corn are new world crops.
For your mother's sake start eating better.
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I've been around 140 most my life anon. I stay mindful of my diet and intake. Sorry you're projecting so hard... and my apologies, but where did the misunderstanding lie? Within the word refined? Jeez man. There's no point communicating with such enraged gorillas here. Loosen the frick up and let's chat Black person.
I actually lost a lot of weight by eating healthy foods
>UMM THERE ARENT HEALTHY FOODS THATS A MYTH
No there are, there are foods that directly increase your health and longevity and are known around the world for doing so
remember that all "just le eat le healthier" gays ITT are either LARPing or are trust fund 15 year olds who have never done grocery shopping in their life and are perfectly fine telling the average person to buy 5000x more expensive "unprocessed organic" food
I'm sorry that you're an American who lives in a food desert. In the developed world its cheaper to eat healthily. Try moving to a more built up area? There's plenty even in your country.
You don't have to spend more. In fact, spend less. Stop buying sodas and candy and sugar riddled shit. Just stop buying frozen pizzas and cheetos and hot pockets and get some real food on the plate. That easy. Re-teach your body you fricking junkies. Ooh my bad does this sound like I'm larping? Fricking kek cope and stay fat
This is a fricking myth. Fruits and veggies are now cheaper than processed food items. Don’t believe me? Go to your Walmart and look at a frozen pizza. Then look at the veggies isle and pile on until you have a similar calorie amount. It’s only expensive to eat healthy if you buy triple grade A non-gmo super organic farming fruits and veggies
A pound of chicken is $4 for the generic store water-infused shit. That's 750 kcals. So you're looking at ~$10 of chicken a day just to meet your basic caloric needs. This doesn't count any aromatics or seasonings if you want food that actually tastes good.
>rice 1kg 8doll hairs >10 fricking meals ect
One kg of rice is 1300 kcals. So your "meal" is 130 kcals. Oh but wait, we also included a $2 chicken breast with $0.50 of onions and $1.67 of bell pepper, so we're spending ~$1 on rice, ~$2 on aromatics, $2 on chicken. Only $5 for this meal of uhhh
500 kcals
>Fruits and veggies are now cheaper than processed food items
maybe chemical infused slop about to expire in 2 days, $2 fruits or veggies are fricking useless if I have to buy them every day to last me a week
>$2 fruits or veggies are fricking useless if I have to buy them every day to last me a week
Buy frozen. It's better than eating cup o' noodles and funyuns.
If you simply ate meat, frozen fish, frozen chicken, pork, frozen veg, eggs, cheese, butter, rice and frozen fruit blended in a smoothie, that's all you would need to do to eat better than 90% of Americans.
>That sounds like a disgusting fricking smoothie
You know what I mean. Bags of frozen fruit and a blender will take care of all your simple carb needs. And it costs so little compared to produce. Then just have White rice if you feel you need a complex carb.
>Tasty things are... le bad for you!
I don't give a shit anymore. Donuts, chocolate, pizza, cheeseburgers, dr pepper, coca cola and cigarettes are too good to live without. I fricking hate vegetables and never eat them. I know a weight related illness like diabetes or heart failure will be the cause of my demise one day and I've come to terms with it. I dont care
I generally eat pretty good since my mom makes healthy food, I only eat outside once a week (usually a kebab or burger). The problem was that despite swimming three times a week, I ate a frick ton of biscuits with the afternoon snack. I just stopped doing that and added two days of light dumbbell exercises and dropped from 69kg to 64 pretty easily.
off topic threads on Cinemaphile about relatively technical subjects are funny. Really show how ridiculous and ignorant the average poster here is.
I trust Cinemaphile though with muh diet and nutrition needs.
I am Spaniard, I eat real bread from a real bakery, with real charcuterie made from real pork. I also do physical activity.
I will not listen to dietary advice and cultish diet gurus praised by American sedentary deviants who eat lumps of sugar for bread and eat skin and cartilage for charcuterie, and I will keep eating as much real bread as I want, end of story.
>If you eat a lot of it and don't exercise, yeah, it can
The biggest lie in the world is that you can lose tons of weight by exercising. That's why so many people fail. Exercise is good for building muscle and muscle does burn fat, but it will never burn as much fat as the average American puts on every single day by eating crap. The only effective way to lose weight is to stop eating so goddamn much crap.
A pound of chicken is $4 for the generic store water-infused shit. That's 750 kcals. So you're looking at ~$10 of chicken a day just to meet your basic caloric needs. This doesn't count any aromatics or seasonings if you want food that actually tastes good.
I feel bad for morons who think chicken is the only food they can eat to lose weight. The best way to lose weight is to eat high fat, high protein and low carb with no processed food. That's the natural diet of humanity. Everybody can do it, even if they are on welfare.
>The best way to lose weight is to eat high fat, high protein and low carb with no processed food. That's the natural diet of humanity.
Caught one of the moron who believes in X totally legit diet from the prehistory. Usually the morons who spout this nonsense and need to be taught how to eat by Liver Kangs or vegan Psychos also have atrocious health.
ITT: broscience Cinemaphile larpers who have no grasp of normal people having regular routines and want people to sit down every day spending 2 hours to make healthy food on top of your wage cage and other life obligations
>want people to sit down every day spending 2 hours to make healthy food on top of your wage cage and other life obligations
If you wanted to not spend so much time and money, just fast and simplify your meals when you eat. Fasting saves you money and time. When you eat, just cook at home. It's simple. You can literally cut your food bill in half by simply fasting every other day, but people insist on having 3 meals a day plus snacks when they weigh 300 lbs.
>You can literally cut your food bill in half by simply fasting every other day, but people insist on having 3 meals a day plus snacks when they weigh 300 lbs.
I have to admit. Fasting was the only thing that got me under 200 lbs. I wish I had done it during college when I needed to save money and not be a fatass.
>140 pounds >cholestrol through the roof >cut everything junk related and red meat >baked fish and veggies rarely eating baked chicken >still fricked >hyperlipidemia diagnosis >doc tells me point blank hit the weights or have a heart attack
Sucks I couldnt just coast when my fatter friends and family all have better cholestrol levels scarfing down whatever they like.
>It's so fricked up that parents still force kids to eat vegetables
you mean moms. women are brainwashed >even when they're disgusting
mostly true >and it's proven they have no nutritional value.
they have some but its outweighed by the damage they do to your gut.
All these posts of homies dropping ten twenty fifteen pounds as a start to a healthier makes me realize how fat some of you people are. It's nice in a way to know the fat neckbeard stereotype still holds true.
Maybe if you eat like 3 pounds of it a day.
It'd make him fat, Jesse Eisenberg is moronic.
Was a conscript, ate lots of bread with my food, did lots of work and I've turned into a big guy with a belly, took some effort to get rid of that nasty belly.
calories in > calories out = fat
please don't try complicating it.
Even if that was true, there is no way to even remotely accurately estimate
> the nominal calorie content of anything
> how much calories your body can even use
> how much calories your body needs to expend to use those calories
> your resting calorie usage, let alone your active usage
It's all bro science, the only reason calorie counting kinda works is because you start consciously consider what you're putting in your body
>the nominal calorie content of anything
Yes you can. Water has 0 calories. You'll die of hyponatremia before you get fat drinking water.
You can't survive on water alone either, as you just said. Also cold water effectively takes energy (calories) from your body, this figure on the other hand can be perfectly calculated but isn't very useful at all.
>this figure on the other hand can be perfectly calculated
Yet you just said it couldn't be calculated:
<"there is no way to even remotely accurately estimate"
Accidental typo?
Say you drink 1000 ml of 10 °C water that will heat up inside your body to 37 °C. The amount of energy needed for this is 112968 joules, which is exactly 27 calories (which really are kilocalories to be exact).
In order to break down complex sugars and starches, your body also needs to expend some energy before being able to use the energy contained within. You can also calculate this exactly.
Now try doing this to a bowl of salad or a cheeseburger and you will realize it is impossible to do, even the input data differs wildly from study to study, there is no way to tell whether you are in 500 cal deficit or 500 cal surplus, or some other value entirely.
I counted my calories before and I know it works, but not because you or anyone can estimate any calories.
>In order to break down complex sugars and starches, your body also needs to expend some energy before being able to use the energy contained within
This is true, and the amount of energy your body spends breaking down food can vary quite a bit. Burning proteins for energy is much less eficient than burning grape sugar
Ultimately, this energy expenditure is too small to really matter for your weight loss calculations though. Even if it results in a 5% imprecision, that shouldn't be enough to frick up your diet, because you wouldn't be seriously trying to lose weight on only a 5% deficit.
I'm okay with this. As far as I'm concerned the biggest benefit of calorie counting is still the fact that I notice what goes down my gullet. I bet 99% of people couldn't accurately list what and how much they ate yesterday.
Honestly, the best tips for weightloss is to find the foods that make you feel full faster and for longer.
Calorie counting doesn't work. Fasting + cutting out processed food works. I did it when I was in my 20s and I noticed:
>dandruff gone
>hair grew longer since scalp wasn't dry and flaky
>lost 50lbs
>stopped snoring, slept better
>no more acne
>skin felt smoother
>nails got harder
>teeth got whiter
>pooped much less and came out smoother
>didn't get tired as easily
>people said I looked younger in general
I'm almost 30 and look better than I did at 19.
Fasting + cutting out junk worked.
I stopped fasting once the weight came off but will do it again if I ever get fat.
That's great anon, I'm really happy for you.
What kinds of meals do you eat now? I found learning basic cooking is what helped me. I fell for the keto meme and it made me feel much better, but only recently I worked out it was just because most of the garbage I USED to eat was carbs.
Nowadays I eat really simple, easy meals that are actually balanced (no meme diets) and I'm happier and healthier. Literally every aspect of my life is better because of it.
I basically eat almost no procssed foods. That's literally all I need to do now. Dinner is basically meat and veg. Breakfast is meat and fruit. Lunch is meat and fruit. The fasting really opened my eyes as to what my old diet was doing to my body. I would recommend everybody do a 72 hour fast just to see how their body reacts to not having junk inside it every day.
That's what worked me too (nothing processed). Introducing rice to get some carbs back helped so much for cheap/fast meals. I fricking love my rice cooker.
White rice is good but get some simple carbs in there like fruit. If you cannot afford fresh produce I think people should buy frozen fruit and blend it with water and just drink it.
I should definitely eat more fruit, you're right.
Yeah the first thing I noticed when I did a 3 day water fast was that my dandruff was mostly gone but then it came back once I started eating McDonalds, pizza, chips, and bread.
Fasting is a good way to prove to yourself that your diet is causing your health problems.
I have a hardcore case of dandruff (scalp, brows, nose and upper lips) and I eat pretty healthy. Bowl of rice are the only carbs I eat, otherwise it's just greens and meat and eggs, with the occasional banana and some milk. No refined sugars at all, no alcohol or any drugs, no bread, no sweets, no cigarettes, no coffee, just unsweetened tea without caffein in it.
You don't have dandruff you have seborrheic dermatitis
So... it's over, isn't it?
You can use an anti fungal dandruff to help but it's incurable, yes.
It's fricking over.
That's dermatitis. You need to go on a fast until it clears up. Then slowly introduce foods until you notice the ones that make you flare up. Usually its stuff like tomatoes, potatoes, grains, etc.
People with severe skin issues should fast to reset their gut. Something you are eating is really hurting your gut. All skin issues start from your gut being raped by your diet. I suggest fasting and then doing mono meals until you figure out the cause of your gut distress. For some people it store bought eggs, for some people it is nightshade plants like tomatoes, for some people it is pasteurized milk. For most people it is any kind of grain.
I find it wild that we found a cure for HIV and for a whole bunch of cancers, but not fricking dandruff...
Dandruff is just your gut reacting to shitty food. You will notice it is mostly gone after a water fast. Same with acne and ezcema. All skin issues are just gut distress. Once you give your gut a chance to heal itself by fasting or cutting out processed food, the skin issues go away.
You will find that it is easier to exercise when you are actively fasting. I recommend doing the following to guarantee weight loss without needing any outside help.
>eat every other day, fast in between those days and just drink water and keep yourself busy with work, hobbies or exercise. Eat Monday, Fast Tuesday, Eat Wednesay. etc.
Do this until you reach your desired BMI then stop fasting but cut out processed foods from now on. You will also notice your stomach will shrink and you can't eat as much in one sitting.
Can you still excercise while fast, particularily jogging? Or wait after the fast?
Ntw but I get bumps on my tongue when I drink orange juice or eat raw tomatoes.
Nightshades like tomatoes are bad for many people but oranges shouldnt hurt you.
Yes, but white rice is the least harmful grain so most people can enjoy it in moderation but you will get fat from eating too much and sticky glutinous rice is more fattening than something like basmati or jasmine. I think most people are OK with white rice for lunch and dinner but the rest of your carbs should come from raw honey and fruit.
Counting calories is stupid and a trap for women. It is better to avoid processed food. If you are fat or obese you should fast until your fat is down to a healthy BMI then just avoid processed food alone.
This anon is correct. Gluten is the culprit but you will find that in processed food as well. I always tell people to go gluten free even if they don't have celiac but the best answer is no processed food at all.
>Counting calories is stupid and a trap for women. It is better to avoid processed food
I agree with avoiding processed food but calories are an important concept people just ignore. Also it's a much easier first step than telling someone to water fast immediately. Count the calories to see just how shitty your diet is, cut the worst of it out, and make improvements to reach a certain goal. Then if you're comfortable do the water fast to drop quicker.
>Counting calories is stupid
tell us you're fat without telling us you're fat
I only eat basmati or jasmine rice nowadays, it smells and tastes so much better it's amazing.
Stupid question, does rice count as a grain?
In terms of gut things generally not.
It IS a grain.
It tends to be gluten the problem, which is found in anything wheat.
Thx
My new life begins today
I WILL wash my rice
My life totally changed after fasting. I didn't want to do it at first but when I started doing it the weight just kept coming off so I just kept doing it and everybody I knew kept asking me what I was doing but I didn't tell them I was fasting because they would say I'm crazy. Meanwhile, I was crazy for being 250 lbs at age 20 but I got to 170 after 8 months of fasting and I kept it off.
hey fatass can you drop some knowledge for someone with those same issues but underweight? should i just eat junk food and pray?
If you are underweight you need to increase your protein, and carb intake. Dense fruits, more rice, more meat.
So basically drink more cold water and eat spicy food if you wanna lose weight.
>Also cold water effectively takes energy (calories) from your body
wut
he's right, if you drink cold water, it cools down your body which in turn has to spend calories to keep its temperature. similar to tasting bath in freezing water.
the issue however is that... the amount "burned" from that process is so miniscule that it's basically a cope thinking drinking cold water and taking a cold bath everyday will offset you eating... anything really.
>the only reason calorie counting works is because
Man, fatties will find any excuse to avoid admitting they just consume too many calories.
>take in less calories than I spent in a day
>still gain weight
Yeah, i think its time to admit calories are a faulty concept and that diets and calorie counting is a meme to keep people buying expensive "healthy" food.
So you're fat and you can't do basic math?
>>take in less calories than I spent in a day
gain weight
that's not even physically possible. you're clearly overestimating your energy expenditure
Can we admit the "adult males burn 1900 calories a day just being sedentary" is a fricking joke?
there's a simpler way to do it. Take your goal weight and multiply it by 10, stick to that figure until you reach it. Then, you have to choose the best way to get those calories into you. You go with higher value/lower carb foods.
What the frick?
if you want to be 150lbs
cut to 1500 cals and stay there until you hit it
Oh right, now I get it.
That's hard to calculate though, because I don't weigh my greens, I just throw them in a pot. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less.
>drive 100 miles
>car has more gas in the gas tank than when I started
Not physically possible. You're lying to yourself, time to check what you're really eating or how hard you're really jogging during your workout sessions.
Greens are not "healthy" by some magic, they're "healthy" because it takes your body effort to digest it, so some of the energy you get from the food is lost on turning it into energy. Getting fat by eating veggies is perfectly possible, basically what sumo wrestlers do. Its simply much harder to become fat because veggies are more inefficient as a food source. Thats still only half a story, you still need exercise of some kind to burn down calories.
Sumos eat mostly rice
>Greens are not "healthy" by some magic, they're "healthy" because it takes your body effort to digest it
Or, you know, because they have a higher nutrient content than fricking empty carbs
>empty carbs
How can carbs be empty? What is the difference on a chemical level?
>hint: nothing, it's just another buzzword rooted in broscience
Nutrients don't burn your fat. We're talking "health" on the context of obesity. You can get nutrients licking a rock, doesn't mean rocks are healthy to eat.
Greens don't contain any nutrients that an occassional vitamin pill won't fix.
We can't digest the fibre, mostly, depends on your gut fauna I guess, some bacteria can do it, but it makes you feel full in times when too many calories are a problem.
>Greens don't contain any nutrients that an occassional vitamin pill won't fix.
Greens are for cows and deer that are made to eat it. We get those nutrients from eating the cow and deer. A vitamin pill is stupid and something only women take. If you want to take pills, take grass fed liver in pill form. Much better nutrition than some shitty vitamin.
It was just an example to show that greens are easily replaced in most of their use.
Anyways, plenty people exist on almost exclusively meat diets. And that seems to work just fine indeed.
>gut fauna
You're a homosexual who puts gerbils up his ass?
CI CO iddiot s dont understand eat just rice and oyou will just be fat and loose muscle ect
workout and eat perfect macros in a defecit build muscle and be more wheighty
>anon becomes the first perpetual motion machine in the history of the universe
Why are you wasting your time shitposting on sudanese sourdough forum instead of contacting every scientist you can for your nobel prize?
If you're the average sedentary homosexual in the industrialized world, you burn
>1,200 calories a day if you're a woman
>2,000 calories a day if you're a man
These rules of thumb are tremendously useful even if they don't apply to (you) because you're a midge or you swim 25 miles a day or whatever
Assuming you're a fatass, you know your caloric deficit is working when you weigh yourself once a week for a month and the number is on a slow downtrend. In the (incredibly unlikely) even that you're underweight, simply increase calories to go the other way.
What the frick is complicated about this other than a massive screaming cope of "I DON'T WANNA"?
Calorie labels are inaccurate and your diet affects your metabolism, so you can reduce your calories on paper but end up increasing your calories in. Or you can reduce your calories on paper but end up reducing your metabolism by even more as a result, making you gain weight.
>my metabolism allows me to violate the laws of thermodynamics
>Thermodynamics is determimed by what's printed on a label.
moron. Read my post next time.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics was formulated in response to the concept of engine efficiency, which it describes abstractly. The people you're responding to are pointing out that diet changes the efficiency of the 'engine' (the body), so they're not violating the law at all.
If you find out that you won't lose weight despite counting calories, it means that either you miscalculated the calories you burn or the calories you ingest. It's utterly irrelevant what caused that miscalculation, you just need to adjust your food intake or exercise routine to make up for the mistake. The moment you start eating less calories than you spend is the moment you start losing weight and nothing can change that.
You can keep iterating until you find a diet where the witch's brew works out and you are at a caloric deficit without a nutrient deficit, or you can just abandon the CICO framework and construct your diet correctly the first time by using proper nutrition principals.
>The moment you start eating less calories than you spend is the moment you start losing weight and nothing can change that.
That depends on what he eats. A donut's worth of calories in apples is not going to be stored in his body as fat as readily.
Kek. You correctly suggest using caloric averages as a starting guide and then recording your weight over time, so you can construct an objective dataset to make your adjustment decisions off of and they say “bro science.” This is literally the same method manufacturers use for physical inventory, but nah, totally, fatties are right, it’s impossible to construct a model of general accuracy for your own body. Might as well just eat pizza everyday and not bother working out.
>>1,200 calories a day if you're a woman
>>2,000 calories a day if you're a man
Keep in mind hight plays a huge role. I've known manlets at my gym who look jacked eating around 2k/day. Even sedentary eating that much at 6'2" made me a skeleton.
some number of calories in dr pepper vs the same number of calories in fish is not the same, but a lot of the time people think it is, either because of how they're raised or where they live or whatever.
in those cases, people ought to have a more nuanced understanding.
The CICO conversation doesn't mean all food is the same, it's to give people a framework in thinking towards eating within a budget.
Practically speaking it's important to have a balanced diet because 1200 calories in refined carbs will have you feel like you're starving vs 1200 calories coming from a balanced diet with a lot of dietary fiber and protein.
>but a lot of the time people think it is
No that's a smaller problem, the bigger problem is getting people to believe CICO is real at all
this also doesn't work because your body does not perfectly burn calories either. it probably burns somewhere around 50-60% of the actual food calories in reality. maybe the percentage is even lower in fatties
You don't need to know any of those exact numbers. You know that the body retains some calorie content, and the higher the calorie content of food, the more gets retained, and this is obviously and easily demonstrated by obese people who eat a lot of high calorie content and get obese.
Bread breaks down into sugar so that your body can utilize it as a form of quick energy. If you don't use that energy, it gets stored in your body as fat. Of course if you eat too much calories and don't use those calories in a physical activity, the calories get stored as fat.
Forgot screenshot.
Also, a YouTube video about why the French are thin despite eating a lot of bread.
And people in Europe just generally walk a lot. So they are able to burn off any excess calories despite eating plenty of meat and good fats.
>your body turns grain into sugar
Lmao do people really believe this? Do they think our bodies are some sort of magical alchemical apparatus? Can my body also turn iron to gold? Copper to mercury?
Yours can turn words into dumb gay shit, for sure.
>Dr Berg
The algorithm pushed a few of his videos onto my screen.
I'm sure most of what he says is factually correct, but he takes such a dogmatic approach about good food vs bad food that it just gets ridiculous.
Also he does the meme keto diet which is a big red flag.
Not saying you are wrong or not, but anybody who posts google answers screenshots should never be taken seriously. For anything. And you may even be a bright person with good intentions, even well-read.
Doesn’t work. I was burning 600 extra calories a day after being sedentary and maintaining my weight for years. Keeping the same diet, I should have dropped a pound a week but I didn’t lose shit. This was 2 months of daily exercise
That just means your bodies metabolism is fricked and you weren't burning anything. Nothing to do with calories in>calories out being wrong.
>CICO is true, it's just thermodynamics
>But we can't determine CI because it's individual to the body
>And we can't determine CO because it's individual to the body
How is this useful advice then?
>metabolism
No one actually knows what that word means or how it works
Sure you were, fattie.
moron
Imagine thinking we don't know how to reverse image search you fricking clown, that's not you
That red chart looks like IRL you laying down.
and what was your diet during that period?
exercise helps a little but a calorie deficit honestly does most of the work.
t. dropped 15lb with a 1500 calorie diet
I mean it didn’t change from what I was eating already. I did add protein powder.
>I didn't change my shitty diet, I just added more calories
protein powder is a great building block but you need to cut all the other bullshit.
seriously, just count calories and keep it below 2000, lower if you want to lose faster. it's that easy.
you will probably go to bed a little bit hungry. that is the fatty pleb filter. that's just how it is and it's not the end of the world.
It’s not even that bad, I was eating chicken, whole grain bread with cream cheese, butter, cold cut sandwiches, corn flakes, a good amount of milk in cereal and coffee. Also tried to get more fiber with wasa crackers and psyllium husk pills. The shittiest things I eat are occasional frozen pizzas, frozen pretzels, and honey with a koulouri cookie crumbled over it
Way too much dairy.
It’s true
count calories for everything you put into your body. I guarantee that count is high if you're not losing weight.
bread is especially bad, not saying you can't have any but personally if I do sandwiches they are open-face because even just 1 slice is 100+ calories.
unsweetened whey protein shouldn’t have broken the buck on the weight loss, it would have actually made it easier since it’s more filling for longer. This is proof exercise doesn’t work
I agree that exercise isn't as effective as a calorie deficit but it's not like it does nothing.
Again I do 1500 calories and that is probably much more responsible for my weight loss than the 15-20 minutes of walking I do 4x a week. but exercise does burn some calories and it improves heart health and circulation which is a big risk factor if you're sitting around all day or have a family history like I do.
So yeah if you don't wanna exercise that might be alright, just means you have to cut even more calories. Just don't come crying when you get deep vein thrombosis or something.
>61 minutes of exercise
>over a period of a week.
You do realize a minimum exercise is 40 minutes a session, meaning 120 minutes per week? No wonder you're a disgusting obese slob you lazy frick. You're lying to yourself.
How is there a minimum for excercise? Even 10 minutes of light cardio is better than sitting on your ass. Once you realize this everything gets easier, forming a habit gets easier, you can literally hack your brain into not needing motivation to do shit, just by taking small steps.
40 minutes of light cardio is the recommended. At least in Europe. No wonder you burgers are so fricking fat. If you're not getting sweat, you're not doing proper exercise.
Is it? "March 24-30"
I'm from the EU friendo. Again some rule of thumb bullshit of a number that morons like you apply to everything. If you want to build a habit instead of going to the gym twice for 90mins, you must consider even a 15 min workout a proper workout, otherwise you will fail your habit very fast.
I didn't say 90 minutes, I said 40 minutes. 40 minutes is perfectly fine as a starter, its little over half an hour, just enough for you to break a sweat. And its not my recommendation, its the EU health recommendation for cardio and exercise. Go to any doctor and they give you the magic number of 40 minutes to any patient.
This anon gets it. What matters is changes that can become part of your lifestyle. Beating yourself up for not reaching some arbitrary goal is doomer cope.
15 minutes walking is better than nothing. 10 minute workout that makes you sweat is fricking awesome, if its something you do so often you end up pushing yourself more.
No that’s the daily average
Exercise doesn’t work for losing weight…it doesn’t burn calories in the way of calories in > out
It does, thing is your body adapts itself over time for the burdens you expose it to, making the calorie burning less efficient on the same exercise. Any major strain for your body burns calories. Getting pneumonia loses weight.
Honestly exercise didn't work for me when I lost weight. What made me lose weight was fasting every other day. If you are fat the only way to lose weight easily is to force your body to not keep consuming junk. However, once you stop fasting after the weight is gone you have to change your diet or you will get it back.
Fasting = stop eating so much. Its so simple I wish I had done it sooner. It also forced me to stop overeating during meals since my stomach shrank while I fasted so I literally couldn't eat like I did before.
Yes it looks like the body is too stubborn to let that weight go
>Keeping the same diet
Doubt. Just eat less fatso
Fricking lazy fatass lying c**t
You will not lose weight despite your efforts fatty
I don't need to and I don't care
You should donate your body to scientists so they can study how it defies the laws of thermodynamics
The biggest meme that Cinemaphile was never questioned on.
>b-but matter cannot be created nor destroyed
Explain how matter exists then, I’ll wait
Matter can be converted to energy, and energy can be converted to matter
>energy or matter existing
So it was created at some point
What are you some kind of creationist? Nothing existed before time even existed and then, after a while, nothing exploded for some reason and that's where matter and energy comes from.
Yes but there's no evidence of it appearing out of thin air.
>christcucks not shoving their bronze age moron religion into every discussion challenge: Impossible
I’m not arguing for creationism, just saying something that exists has to be created. Humans will figure out how to create energy in 100 years when the average person has effectively Einstein level intellect
>Jesus lived in the Bronze Age
Easy there fedora, maybe you should take your edge back to /r/flyingspaghettimonster with the rest of your euphoric xisters
>matter cannot be created nor destroyed
Literally no evidence for this.
It was created by a supernatural force. Thus proving theism correct.
>dude is a fat piece of shit for YEARS
>gets mad when the magic number doesn’t drop from 374 on the scale to a nice 185 after doing two months of bare minimum
NGMI, fatty. Beyond that, muscle weighs more than fat so even if you are “slimming down” you probably will maintain the same “weight” even though it is becoming a healthier weight.
>when the magic number doesn’t drop from 374 on the scale to a nice 185
Not angry at you man but I hate when people focus on the number when they try to lose weight. It's not about the number. It's about how you fit in clothes. It's about how you look in the mirror. It's about how you feel when you move around. Stop focusing on numbers. Only women do this and obsess about it. Don't even bother buying a scale. Just fast + remove processed food and you will lose weight faster than anything you could ever do on your own.
I am 190lbs and not mad, only speaking facts. I did cardio only, no muscle building. Exercise doesn't do anything for weight loss
>Exercise doesn't do anything for weight loss
It does, but it is NOT as effective as fasting.
Exercise should be about building muscle, not cardio homosexualry. All you people do is jog anyway. Runners look like homos.
>yes BUT
just coping at this point. A rooner has more muscular endurance than you, and will easily outlift you with time. Meanwhile you will always be a 5-rep powershitter without the resolve to eat 10,000 calories a day
>A rooner has more muscular endurance than you
hahaha no runners are just gays who are scared to lift because its "dangerous"
>this is obviously and easily demonstrated by obese people who eat a lot of high calorie content and get obese.
If those people just fasted, the body could recover by taking a break from those calories...but yeah 4000 calories per day is definitely going to kill them when they could cut that in half by simply taking a 36 hour break in between eating.
>measurably more oxygen circulating through body
>this is somehow gay
Sure thing fatty. Already winded from that last set huh?
>fatty
anon your gay body cannot even push the sled I do in my backyard.
Rooners are the ideal humans, we are as close as possible to our ancestors. Powershitters like you are just doing the job machines already do
Powershitters don't understand that you need to roon all day long if you're doing the hunting-gathering lifestyle. They would just get gassed in the first hour, hell they're not even suited for farm work they have so little resistance.
>we are as close as possible to our ancestors
our ancestors are not deer being chased by wolves you gay homosexual.
Our ancestors were resistance hunters not powershitting cripples.
keep falling for more Cinemaphile memes moron
Lying fat piece of shit!
frick you homosexual
You feel fuller for longer if you eat protein and healthy fats
If you live off of fricking pasta you will overindulge without a doubt
Mass in > Mass out = Mass gain
All calories aren't equal. Your body isn't a simple machine. Sure, you can use your simplified formula but someone smarter is going to accomplish more than you using far less effort.
If you eat too much of it, but women have no sense of self-control so it's effectively true
American bread does. Its essentially just cake.
Irish courts routinely find that Irish "people" are people so I'm not sure they're the most reliable institution.
Begoshed and beggorahpilled
Irish are not only whiter than anglos, they also never spread war and death to other nations.
>Irish are not only whiter than anglos, they also never spread war and death to other nations.
much like chalk or seagulls
>irish are white despite never having accomplished anything
No, one of the things that makes white people special is they actually accomplish things.
>only whites accomplished things
Based moron. Celts had advanced coin printing while whites were still using wooden clubs. Celts also spread across two continents during antiquity while whites had their big start during the rennaissance in like the 17th century.
>but...but we accomplished something simple hundreds of years ago!
Wow, multi generational coping
You i sufferal romaboos never shut the frick up about muh romanz n shiet, and that was 1.7 millenia ago.
No sorry, i dont care anything about rome.
>Celts
>Not White
What the FRICK are you smoking my homie? Non Anglo-Saxons ofc, but they were White as hell culturally, linguistically, and geographically.
>Celts had advanced coin printing
May I see these pre-greek invented coins?
>... no.
They do a good enough job spreading it to their own nation
you eat all that sugar but still choose to be salty
Oh please, Irish courts don't even believe Irish people exist. They only know about Irish "citizens".
Irish courts also say brown Muslims and Poos are Irish
Considering Ireland eats nothing but potatoes and rarely even has those, I'm not gonna take them as a serious voice of authority in matters of food
And Subway bread still tastes like shit
Average Irish court judge
Bread is one of the worst things you can eat and the more processed it is, the worse it is. I stopped eating it and lost a lot of weight plus my wife says I don't snore anymore and I think its because the bread was causing inflammation in my airways.
Basically don't eat processed food and you won't get fat. A little bread is OK as long as its not the processed kind. Baking your own bread from scratch is also an improvement.
Dairy industrial complex propaganda
Funny because milk is apparently also le bad now.
Can't eat anything anymore that isn't uncooked celery.
Milk is only bad if it comes from a store. Raw milk from a cow is fine.
>Raw milk from a cow is fine.
Good luck getting raw milk unless you happen to live on a farm.
>don't eat bread
>a little bread is ok
Which one is it? Also bread has been a staple of human diet for +10,000 years, I don't buy into the whole "it's actually killing you!" hysteria going around in recent years.
>+10,000 years
It wasn't 1/3 sugar back then.
No but what do you think carbohydrates are?
Carbs are sugar you brain dead fricking idiot. No sugar is added to processed bread.
>Finally, there is the staple of many people's day - bread. The sugar content in the average slice of processed bread varies but can be as high 3g. Some sugar is formed naturally in the baking process but it is often added too.
He's talking about how carbs break down regardless of breads sugar content, silly goose. Carbs. Break down. Into. Sugar. In our bodies. Not during production of bread, not added in.
Ok. They still add sugar to bread during the production.
Yeah like a teaspoon to a whole loaf, and that gets eaten by the yeast
NTA but American bread also has added sugar, both anons are right.
Subway's rolls are 10% sugar by weight
you're 10 percent AIDS by weight
>I give you actual data
>you respond with ad hominem
What's the point of even talkin' to you
>honey bread has sugar in it
no shit?
me too
Bread is fine to eat as long as it is made from scratch with quality ingredients. Do not eat processed bread made with junk like HFCS.
Look up Weston A Price
Depends heavily on the bread.
Breads been around since 10000 BC. It ain't the bread fatty, it's your lazy ass.
White bread was exclusive to the rich elite until like 150 years ago, though
overeating makes you fat. Skinny people eat whatever the frick they want.
Bread, especially highly processed bread causes:
>diabetes
>tooth decay
>skin issues like dandruff and psoriasis
>sleep apnea
>excess weight gain
>hair loss
>joint deterioration
>stomach and gut issues
>colon cancer
And that's just the biggest ones.
Damn I love bread and have all those things except the cancer and diabetes (that I know of).
I want... no I NEED Sex with Puta.
And yes Bread makes u fat.
Yes. Bread, refined sugar, processed food, and seed oils make you fat and give you degenerative diseases that get worse as you age.
To lose weight, eat natural foods like fruits, meat, eggs, fish, vegetables in their natural forms. Better yet, take long breaks between the days you eat aka fasting, so that your body has time to use the food to maintain itself.
>fasting
proven to cause muscular degeneration and heart disease, as the body cannibalizes muscles or protein to support the various organs.
>muscle degeneration
ok
>heart disease
how
That idiot thinks your body eats your heart to survive when not eating. The body is not stupid. When you fast, your body eats your excess fat to survive until your fat is gone. The longest fast took 380 days for a huge fat frick to do under the care of a doctor. Look it up. He lost tons of fat and was medically healthy.
>and was medically healthy
I mean the dude died at age 51
He was almost 500 lbs and lived 20 years after his fast. I don't think he would get to 51 if he didn't lose the weight.
Yes but he died perfectly healthy.
>died
>perfectly healthy
Do you even hear yourself?
woosh
Nta but this is pathetically dumb. Everyone dies frien. Your mom is going to die. Hopefully healthy, happy and at home with her family.
She won't be healthy when she dies. She'll be dying.
Actually anon when she dies, she won't be dying, she'd be dead. Sorry for your loss.
>she won't be dying, she'd be dead
You got me there.
No he didn't he died of stomach bleeding or something like that. He lived for 20 years after his fast so it helped him. I don't know any 500 lbs people who get to 51. They usually die at 40ish.
Fasting is fine if you are fat because your body will use your extra fat to support itself long before it goes after muscle. I fast every week and I never have issues plus it keeps my weight in check. Anybody who is over a BMI of 25 should be fasting.
no, the body eats muscle mass before fat
no it does not.
You are an idiot. When starving, you think the body eats what helps it move around to get food before fat?
Yes the body is pretty moronic
The only thing I know is that jannies tongue my anus
Being a lazy moron makes you fat and nothing else.
FACT: flatbread makes you flat
No one has mentioned this movie was dogshit so I guess I’ll do it.
>everyone itt talking about caloric content of... bread...
Not carb counting and how bread makes us fat by continuously supplying sugars (empty carbs) for our bodies to use as energy sources instead of fats as it should be.
What is ketosis?
How is it we all need the same nutritional requirements but would rather argue dietary rumor for decades rather than scientific bodily needs. Whatever.
>What is ketosis?
The latest buzzword in meme diets. Humans evolved ketosis for when we run out of carbs, it's an emergency pathway. Stop relying on your emergency mechanisms you homosexual, this is how you get sick.
They will absolutely discover keto has some long term health problems the same way they found intermittent fasting massively increases heart attacks.
You KNOW what your body is evolved to do, you're smart enough to figure that out. Stop spitting in Gaia's face.
>waiting until lunch time to eat greatly increases heart attack risk
Doubt
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/intermittent-fasting
Yup, you fell for the intermittent propaganda, sorry chuds. Meanwhile every culture on Earth talks about eating regularly spaced meals with small portions.
Lol this is fricking stupid. So basically holocaust survivors who were starving in camps all got heart attacks? Most of them live longer than most people on earth. Fasting is one of the most common things to do on earth but heart attacks happen the most to people who literally eat all day long like Americans.
This is such a moronic counter example I'm fricking speechless.
Did you actually read the article?
>We do not know from this study if time-restricted eating causes a change in the body that might increase the risk of dying from heart and circulatory disease. Or if those who are more likely to die from heart and circulatory disease, might also be more likely to be on a time-restricted diet.
>For example, someone may have gone on a 16:8 fasting diet because they’ve been told by their doctor that they need to lose weight and we know that living with excess weight is a risk factor for heart and circulatory disease.
All it tells us is the kinds of people that put themselves on diets like this are the kinds of people more likely to have heart failure.
>article starts with a question instead of definitively saying something
>uhh well the research hasn’t been all published or “peer reviewed”
Who knows what caused the results if they are valid, the people they tested might have been shoveling slop like McDonald’s because of the smaller window
Our bodies EVOLVED for intermitten fasting you gay, do you think our ancestors always had something to eat every single day?
That doesn’t even make logical sense. Humans thrive because of our brains, of course early people would be saving food and nibbling on it to keep their energy up as opposed to gorging and then going hungry for awhile.
>what your body is evolved to do
Humans absolutely evolved to gorge themselves briefly and then starve for extended periods of time, this was the norm for over 200,000 years, while agriculture has only been the last 10,000
Fricking kek brainlet. A 2 second search would have shown you that were not supposed to be breaking down sugars for energy sources like we've naturally trained our bodies to do over the last few decades. I never advocated for keto. Simply asked if you anons are familiar with ketosis which is when your body reverts back to burning stored fats (instead of continuing to store them... hmmmm) it's like a "cleaner" energy for our bodies. But sure, go ahead and keep stuffing your face amerifat and tell yourself whatever you need to stay happy.
>It's like a "cleaner" energy for our bodies
Bahaha imagine actually believing this hippie bullshit.
Carbs and sugars are in heaps of naturally occurring food sources which is why keto is so hard to do. It's not some "get back to nature" escape, it's incredibly unnatural and you WILL get sick doing it.
>refined sugars ALWAYS have been in foods duh
>this must be why native indians had such bad dental problems... oh wait, they didn't have cavities??? Hmm...
moronic cope. Sugar war has been going on since the late 40s
>fat moron misunderstands
Classic
I never said you should eat REFINED sugar, I simply said that our bodies were built to process sugars and carbs which occur in nature. Even your pet Injuns were consuming large quantities of carbs regularly. Fricking potato and corn are new world crops.
For your mother's sake start eating better.
I've been around 140 most my life anon. I stay mindful of my diet and intake. Sorry you're projecting so hard... and my apologies, but where did the misunderstanding lie? Within the word refined? Jeez man. There's no point communicating with such enraged gorillas here. Loosen the frick up and let's chat Black person.
>were not supposed to be breaking down sugars for energy sources
???
>drive everywhere, from your job to the mickey D, to the mailbox at the end of your driveway.
>somehow, snoke returnded
The absolute state of this thread. Stay fat forever Cinemaphile! God bless you imbeciles and me included!
I actually lost a lot of weight by eating healthy foods
>UMM THERE ARENT HEALTHY FOODS THATS A MYTH
No there are, there are foods that directly increase your health and longevity and are known around the world for doing so
It’s more like 3 fatasses with everyone one else correctly labeling them fat lazy morons
remember that all "just le eat le healthier" gays ITT are either LARPing or are trust fund 15 year olds who have never done grocery shopping in their life and are perfectly fine telling the average person to buy 5000x more expensive "unprocessed organic" food
I'm sorry that you're an American who lives in a food desert. In the developed world its cheaper to eat healthily. Try moving to a more built up area? There's plenty even in your country.
Misconception (common)
You don't have to spend more. In fact, spend less. Stop buying sodas and candy and sugar riddled shit. Just stop buying frozen pizzas and cheetos and hot pockets and get some real food on the plate. That easy. Re-teach your body you fricking junkies. Ooh my bad does this sound like I'm larping? Fricking kek cope and stay fat
This is a fricking myth. Fruits and veggies are now cheaper than processed food items. Don’t believe me? Go to your Walmart and look at a frozen pizza. Then look at the veggies isle and pile on until you have a similar calorie amount. It’s only expensive to eat healthy if you buy triple grade A non-gmo super organic farming fruits and veggies
A bell pepper is $1.67
packs of 3
1pepper per meal
1 onion
1 chicken breast
2meals a day
its like 5 frickin bux a day for ultra organic food
less if your not moronic
oats 1kg
10 bux
50 fricking meals
rice 1kg 8doll hairs
10 fricking meals ect
you can eat for like 3-4 bux a day and less if your simple/smart about it with organic everything
A pound of chicken is $4 for the generic store water-infused shit. That's 750 kcals. So you're looking at ~$10 of chicken a day just to meet your basic caloric needs. This doesn't count any aromatics or seasonings if you want food that actually tastes good.
Ok eat plain chicken every day. Maybe some mustard on the side
>rice 1kg 8doll hairs
>10 fricking meals ect
One kg of rice is 1300 kcals. So your "meal" is 130 kcals. Oh but wait, we also included a $2 chicken breast with $0.50 of onions and $1.67 of bell pepper, so we're spending ~$1 on rice, ~$2 on aromatics, $2 on chicken. Only $5 for this meal of uhhh
500 kcals
Isn't $8 for 1kg rice a lot? I generally buy rice around here by the 20lbs for around $20 which would put me around $2-3 per kg of rice.
>Fruits and veggies are now cheaper than processed food items
maybe chemical infused slop about to expire in 2 days, $2 fruits or veggies are fricking useless if I have to buy them every day to last me a week
>$2 fruits or veggies are fricking useless if I have to buy them every day to last me a week
Buy frozen. It's better than eating cup o' noodles and funyuns.
If you simply ate meat, frozen fish, frozen chicken, pork, frozen veg, eggs, cheese, butter, rice and frozen fruit blended in a smoothie, that's all you would need to do to eat better than 90% of Americans.
That sounds like a disgusting fricking smoothie
>That sounds like a disgusting fricking smoothie
You know what I mean. Bags of frozen fruit and a blender will take care of all your simple carb needs. And it costs so little compared to produce. Then just have White rice if you feel you need a complex carb.
Even if it were true, you could eat 2000 cal/day of fattening food instead of 4000 and it would be even cheaper and you would be less fat
Bait or fat moron
no
women are moronic, even in fiction
>Tasty things are... le bad for you!
I don't give a shit anymore. Donuts, chocolate, pizza, cheeseburgers, dr pepper, coca cola and cigarettes are too good to live without. I fricking hate vegetables and never eat them. I know a weight related illness like diabetes or heart failure will be the cause of my demise one day and I've come to terms with it. I dont care
Supreme philosopher and mental fortitude
You homosexuals don't bake your own bread?
No. My grandma bakes me loaf or two a week and I do some yardwork for her. Do you actually bake bread like a woman?
I generally eat pretty good since my mom makes healthy food, I only eat outside once a week (usually a kebab or burger). The problem was that despite swimming three times a week, I ate a frick ton of biscuits with the afternoon snack. I just stopped doing that and added two days of light dumbbell exercises and dropped from 69kg to 64 pretty easily.
I love REAL bread.
off topic threads on Cinemaphile about relatively technical subjects are funny. Really show how ridiculous and ignorant the average poster here is.
I trust Cinemaphile though with muh diet and nutrition needs.
I am Spaniard, I eat real bread from a real bakery, with real charcuterie made from real pork. I also do physical activity.
I will not listen to dietary advice and cultish diet gurus praised by American sedentary deviants who eat lumps of sugar for bread and eat skin and cartilage for charcuterie, and I will keep eating as much real bread as I want, end of story.
Go take a siesta Pedro. Civilized countries are talking.
If you eat a lot of it and don't exercise, yeah, it can
>If you eat a lot of it and don't exercise, yeah, it can
The biggest lie in the world is that you can lose tons of weight by exercising. That's why so many people fail. Exercise is good for building muscle and muscle does burn fat, but it will never burn as much fat as the average American puts on every single day by eating crap. The only effective way to lose weight is to stop eating so goddamn much crap.
I feel bad for morons who think chicken is the only food they can eat to lose weight. The best way to lose weight is to eat high fat, high protein and low carb with no processed food. That's the natural diet of humanity. Everybody can do it, even if they are on welfare.
I am not the one who brought up chicken.
>The best way to lose weight is to eat high fat, high protein and low carb with no processed food. That's the natural diet of humanity.
Caught one of the moron who believes in X totally legit diet from the prehistory. Usually the morons who spout this nonsense and need to be taught how to eat by Liver Kangs or vegan Psychos also have atrocious health.
Yes, it has calories
ITT: broscience Cinemaphile larpers who have no grasp of normal people having regular routines and want people to sit down every day spending 2 hours to make healthy food on top of your wage cage and other life obligations
>want people to sit down every day spending 2 hours to make healthy food on top of your wage cage and other life obligations
If you wanted to not spend so much time and money, just fast and simplify your meals when you eat. Fasting saves you money and time. When you eat, just cook at home. It's simple. You can literally cut your food bill in half by simply fasting every other day, but people insist on having 3 meals a day plus snacks when they weigh 300 lbs.
>You can literally cut your food bill in half by simply fasting every other day, but people insist on having 3 meals a day plus snacks when they weigh 300 lbs.
I have to admit. Fasting was the only thing that got me under 200 lbs. I wish I had done it during college when I needed to save money and not be a fatass.
Cope lazy fattoid
White bread is the first thing you cut starting a diet
>140 pounds
>cholestrol through the roof
>cut everything junk related and red meat
>baked fish and veggies rarely eating baked chicken
>still fricked
>hyperlipidemia diagnosis
>doc tells me point blank hit the weights or have a heart attack
Sucks I couldnt just coast when my fatter friends and family all have better cholestrol levels scarfing down whatever they like.
CICO isn't a theory dumbass.
Sweet merciful christ.
Greens, vegetables are basically useless.
They're just ballast.
This. It's so fricked up that parents still force kids to eat vegetables even when they're disgusting and it's proven they have no nutritional value.
>It's so fricked up that parents still force kids to eat vegetables
you mean moms. women are brainwashed
>even when they're disgusting
mostly true
>and it's proven they have no nutritional value.
they have some but its outweighed by the damage they do to your gut.
ameritroons are insane, they just believe anything they read on twitter
>ameritroons are insane, they just believe anything they read on twitter
What exactly is the point you're trying to make?
you believe there's a conspiracy to make you eat salad now you fricking mongoloids, I don't even
I don't understand indeed. I can eat some salad whenever I want to. I love that shit.
>be me
>overweight
>7 days without eating just drinking water
>lost 11 pounds
simple as that
All these posts of homies dropping ten twenty fifteen pounds as a start to a healthier makes me realize how fat some of you people are. It's nice in a way to know the fat neckbeard stereotype still holds true.
I've seen on tv you can spit into a bucket and lose weight. Is this true? Seems easy enough.
That only works if you spit into my mouth, senpai.
It's the best thing to stop eating if you want to lose weight
I'm eating garlic bread right now. What you gonna do about it fatty?
which food makes you a blue haired prostitute
>which food makes you a blue haired prostitute
soi