>In the least condescending way possible why do you think it is that you are virgins? How are your social lives in general?
I've always had a small group of friends who are either normies with girlfriends or ppl like me who've never dated.
Anytime I've spoken to a girl they've recoiled in disgust or just tensed up and given me one word replies.
I've been told I always look angry/sad which isn't something I can facially control and generally I've never been invited to parties and such, also never went to college since I dropped out of high-school
Pic related illustrates most of my problems.
I've been told to be nice my whole life. Be nice, be polite, be nice, treat everyone equally. And I was nice, so much so that I even got the quite embarrassing "Most Polite" award back in school, twice.
Being "nice" was just ingrained in my being and I can't help it, so much so of that I became incapable of flirting/showing sexual interest towards women without feeling as if I'm being extremely rude to them.
So nothing ever happened in that department >How are your social lives in general?
Just standard stuff really, just minus the romantic/intimacy/relationship part. I go to work, go to the gym, have some drinks with a few friends here and there or go hiking, travel somewhere once or twice a year, concerts if something is interesting, standard shit really. Not like I go out every single weekend, but definitely not a basement dweller either.
how was your relationship with your dad? mine taught me a lot about girls, how they think, where the line is between flirty and creepy, etc. >men use logic to dictate their emotions. women use emotions to dictate their logic.
maybe the most useful tip he ever gave me, besides brushing your teeth before going out
It's not weird if it turned out well for him, my Dad never taught me that, I just had to learn it through experience
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah that's how it went for me i'd rather have my own mental models
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe it varies, and the best thing is for the dad to do is not offer unsolicited advice on the subject but give his input if the kid asks for it
3 months ago
Anonymous
>but give his input if the kid asks for it
maybe. idk i gave and still give a lot of thought to the things my dad says. "men use logic to dictate their emotions" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone if i didn't let my emotions take over at times i'd be so fricked in life
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think there's really any way for your parents to give you tips for dating, since they don't know what's changed since they were young and just like other normies they never needed to "try" and get a girlfriend, it just kind of happened.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Parents teach by example, or in other words a son learns how to act around women depending on how his father acts around his wife and other women.
All the boys back in school who started chasing girls the moment they hit puberty didn't do it because they got detailed tutorial explanations from their dad how to do it, they just did it "by instict" mimicking what they saw earlier
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they just did it "by instict" mimicking what they saw earlier
the girls came after me i was just reacting
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the girls came after me i was just reacting
Doesn't matter, you also reacted "by instict" in the same way.
Meanwhile the kid who has no father literally has no clue how to react and just freezes up instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think that may explain my lack of success with women then since my parents never got on, and always slept in seperate rooms and never hugged or anything, they were basically like roommates rather than a couple.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>since they don't know what's changed since they were young
A lot can change in 20 years but this isn't really one of them with the exception of new technology things really aren't that much different. Advice from a parent about meeting a girl in a bar or nightclub or advice what the frick you do when you're in a relationship is mostly valid
3 months ago
Anonymous
Man you are truly delusional and out of touch.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've met all of my girlfriends through dating apps but I've also met plenty of women in real life, that advice on meeting people IRL is still useful as is advice on what do to when you're in a relationship you moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
> I've met all of my girlfriends through dating apps
how old are you? i’m 32 and completely inept at dating apps. good in person though or so i’ve been told. no amount of advice has made either easier i just do what i feel
3 months ago
Anonymous
put a standard long term married boomer into todays dating market and watch him remain clueless and sexless for years unless he gets a prostitute. the game has changed drastically, stop denying it
3 months ago
Anonymous
You really do think that if you don’t use tech you can’t go to a club or bar and pick up an easy chick don’t you lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
even at clubs/bars things are different than before, there are no movie-like lonely girls at the bar since everyone comes and goes in same exact groups, hell girls don't even go to the bathroom alone. also not to mention that people ask for Instagram/snapchat these days and think of phone numbers as something more private and personal (yes it's moronic), so good luck as a zero tech offline person interacting with a modern day zoomer girl.
3 months ago
Anonymous
First, there are still chicks that go out to the club alone. They’re rare, but they have always been rare. Second, I have literally never had a single problem with giving my number out over my socials, and while yes chicks will find it a negative if you don’t have socials and all my exes complained about it, there is no such thing as a woman that would have gone home with you but they changed their mind about getting dicked down because you don’t have an IG. Doesn’t exist. The tech is there to put you in front of the girl, it’s harder now because people go places for a purpose but on any given day the average club is going to have several women looking to go home with a stranger and if you put in the effort it’s not that hard to make it happen
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't have socials and I never will.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That’s fine, I’m saying chicks take issue with it’s not an actual dealbreaker for you to get laid. I’ve had issues with younger chicks in relationships being annoyed I don’t have socials, but no chick’s ever said “you’re cute, but we can’t frick cuz you don’t have a snap”
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see, I just really don't understand why some girls are obsessed with it, I guess in terms of a relationship they want to be able to tag you in everything or they don't want to be seen dating a guy with no socials
3 months ago
Anonymous
the one thing i remember my dad telling me was that i should try to have sex with a girl i loved. also my parents put me in like a 70 hour sex ed class in 8th grade
3 months ago
Anonymous
>men use logic to dictate emotion >immediately gets his panties in a wad
exhibit A, a virginal boy
3 months ago
Anonymous
lost my virginity at 15 moron women like my emotions
3 months ago
Anonymous
you're married with kids?
3 months ago
Anonymous
you’re a b***h dude
3 months ago
Anonymous
kek you should've taken my dad's advice, kid. you're what's known as a 'frickboy'
3 months ago
Anonymous
your dad is a moron who raised a loser
3 months ago
Anonymous
he's a grandfather, i can only hope the same will be true for yours.'
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STOP FIGHTING
sorry anon
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he's a grandfather, i can only hope the same will be true for yours.'
not really a concern of mine right now but life doesn't end tomorrow. really not a problem to get in touch with your emotions anon it's healthy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
lost my virginity at 15 moron women like my emotions
Dad never really talked in any great detail about getting girls, but really wouldn't say it's his fault because I also have siblings which were raised in the same exact way as me and they are normal in relationship/married people.
Literally had 2 step dads who could give a frick less. My real dad is alive and well and living out in Palm Springs. Only reason I know is because I looked him up and am going to show up and beat the frick out of him next weekend. Told myself I'd wait till my son was 5 before showing up at his doorstep so I can really not understand why you turn away and never see your son ever. I last saw him when I was 2. Steve if you are reading this you keep your doors unlocked so I don't have to break your windows next Saturday. I promise I won't send you to the hospital.
I think the problem is that telling someone to be nice is just terrible advice. I'd say it 's probably much better to tell them to not be an arsehole, work hard to get what you want, don't be afraid to ask or go for it but at the same time don't be a prick and screw people over for no reason
Me too, especially the part about flirting being rude, I just think he's a regular on this board and posts about his experience in the same way each time
The problem is that you aren’t actually that nice and polite, you act that way because you’re a coward. People like people who are real, even if they can be rude or abrasive sometimes. You need to have a wild side, a fiery passionate side, no one likes a quiet and polite bugman. Other men get turned off by that, not to mention women
Early trauma that makes me believe that I don’t have any value so I never tried to chase girls, and when girls initiate anything with me I go into flight mode.
>social consequences
What social consequences? This isn't something people care about once you're actually an adult. No one is going to be asking you about being a virgin unless you have very immature friends. My only social contact is family, work, and church. I don't have time or interest in a social life beyond that. A gf/wife would be nice to have, but I'm not
No one cares did you insert your penis into a vegana, but there definitely are many social consequences to never being in any kind of relationship as an adult man.
With age it even becomes extremely weird to others when you just live like a eunuch as if relationships and intimacy don't even exist as a concept. Most people don't really care did you insert your penis into a vegana, but they definitely will treat you way differently if they know you have never been in any kind of relationship as an adult. People don't talk about sex that often with everyone yes, but they definitely very regularly talk about their gf/bf/husband/wife extremely regularly in every situation possible and if you never have anything to add it shows quickly and people will definitely treat you differently because of it.
This is also why prostitutes don't solve adult male virgin problems
> People don't talk about sex that often with everyone yes, but they definitely very regularly talk about their gf/bf/husband/wife extremely regularly in every situation possible
these types of people are vapid anyway who cares
Constantly yes, but the vast majority talks REGULARLY about their partners.
In fact it would be considered weird if a married man/woman never mentioned their partner, that's simply how society works. Hell, a lot of people constantly talk about their friends all the time, let alone long term partners which they share their entire life with daily.
And then there's anon, never mentions a single female name ever and comes to every single event by himself, or simply never comes. There definitely are social consequences to such (non) actions
3 months ago
Anonymous
idk that seems like a limiting belief and i wouldn’t want to think in that sort of confirmation-biasy way about myself if i could help it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah well that's why you're a virgin
3 months ago
Anonymous
You come across as very insecure. That's why people might judge you, but the truth is that they probably don't think of you much at all. Your insecurity is deluding your thinking. Your social life is not that important to other people.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Of course that no one gives a shit, that's why an adult virgin is an adult virgin in the first place, it's all on you. Never said like others spend their free time thinking about the adult virgin at work or whatever, but the fact remains is that you will most definitely be treated differently WHEN a person has to interact with you, or in other words there defintiely are social consequences
3 months ago
Anonymous
i know a guy who was/is a virgin well into his 20s who was the most outgoing dude owned a house always had parties and friends over… meanwhile i’m like full of anxiety about everything living with my parents until i’m 30 but hey at least i’ve had sex a couple hundred times right?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds like you have a better life.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah people who knows me find weird that I never talk about sex/girls and haven't had a girlfriend in the years they've known me. I'm not that bad looking so at first they assumed I kept it to myself but ultimately they kind of figured it out.
I just avoid the topic or if they talk about introducing me a girl I just say I'm not interested or whatever.
It sucks necause at my age, people are either in a relationship or fricking almost every weekend so of course they talk about these things.
People that obsessively talk about their partner and nothing else are broken people with no individuality, these are the types who when they get dumped they spiral since they can't handle life alone.
Its like the polar opposite extreme of an adult virgin.
Well adjusted people in healthy relationships don't need to obsess over each other.
Constantly yes, but the vast majority talks REGULARLY about their partners.
In fact it would be considered weird if a married man/woman never mentioned their partner, that's simply how society works. Hell, a lot of people constantly talk about their friends all the time, let alone long term partners which they share their entire life with daily.
And then there's anon, never mentions a single female name ever and comes to every single event by himself, or simply never comes. There definitely are social consequences to such (non) actions
My family is my family. They don't care. The conversations I have with people at work are professionally based or about common interests (movies, sports, news, etc.). This isn't some dead end retail job where people sit around gossiping all day. My conversations at church are faith based.
People treat me just fine and get along well.
Catholic. Maybe it is different with Protestants. For them church is just a social gathering where a sermon happens.
Catholic here, the church community here will literally non stop talk to the single adult man to get married. You either get married or you become a priest, no inbetween. Even the damn priest will tell you to get married over and over again
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'd either tell them to offer me their daughters to marry or they can frick off
>it's a personal question
And talking about faith is even more personal, yet they do it
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see this posted all the time and never see proof. Just her spending the family fortune on mlm. I’ve asked for proof and people point to Facebook posts about her selling amway or some shit as if that proves she spent every dime on it lol. Chuds around here love a man who murdered his whole family lol.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shit. Meant for
They literally threw chicken nuggets at their father which means they had no respect for men. He did the future generation of men a favour by taking them out.
At my church it's 50% retired people and 50% working families. Single men never show up. Single mothers show up for one service and are never seen again, not sure why they never stick around.
if you're a single man without a family who reaches middle age, there's really no point in sticking about if you're not having fun.
if you're still enjoying life then fair play, hang on as you will.
but if you've got no commitments, family, obligations and you're utterly miserable, even god probably agrees that suicide is justifiable
3 months ago
Anonymous
There are men with wives and families who kill themselves so clearly its not the greatest thing
3 months ago
Anonymous
>There are men with wives and families who kill themselves so clearly its not the greatest thing
there's another type of man too...
3 months ago
Anonymous
Everyone says he shouldn't have killed the kids but I think he was right to. I mean look at them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They literally threw chicken nuggets at their father which means they had no respect for men. He did the future generation of men a favour by taking them out.
3 months ago
Anonymous
they are pathetic, disgraceful worms of men who shouldnt have been granted the gift of life in the first place
very true.
i'm 26 and when people catch a hint of the fact i've never been in a relationship they (correctly) identify that somethign is deeply wrong with me.
i've definitely got some kind of brain frickup like schizoid personality disorder or something. i'm not overtly antisocial, or sociopathic, but i'm overly comfortable, almost obsessive about maintaining a degree of solitude and privacy
i 100% absolutely understand that this makes me a genetic dead end and i am missing out on arguable the most important facet of human existence, but it is what it is. and i'm still reasonably contented.
Relatable story, although Im a bit older and not a virgin. Also all the women in my family are c**ts, yes, even my mom. I see how much bullshit they make everyone around them go through and I definitely dont want that in my life. Actually there are very few friend couples who I look at and think to myself: "thats a healthy relationship, I would like something like that for myself.". But yea, not having a relationship history certainly makes you stand out in a negative way, specially among women.
>But yea, not having a relationship history certainly makes you stand out in a negative way, specially among women.
but like you said the women you know are mostly in unhealthy/automatic/npc relationships
>there definitely are many social consequences to never being in any kind of relationship as an adult man.
I just hate how much proactivity it requires and you never really know what you do to turn them off
Bullshit. When I was growing up there was an old man who lived two doors down from us. Never married or never had a girlfriend that anyone knew of, he was retired and played the organ at the local church. I can remember once my mother asking my dad why he lived alone, and my dad, being a good man and a bit of a chad (in a good way) just shrugged and said, "that's his business". Only sad incels are obsessed with other incels. And b***hy, stuck up women.
>With age it even becomes extremely weird to others when you just live like a eunuch
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Normies don't have anything but 'being part of the group'. Not a single redeeming quality, so the ability to 'collaborate' and 'fight as a group' is their strongest ability. People who live by themselves have found a way to be content with living by their lonesome self, and it threatens the normies' perspective.
Then you start talking about being in a relationship, but normies don't know how to be in a relationship either, because communication and interpersonal interaction is a skill, which they don't possess. Their 'being with the group' by virtue of being around eachother is their strongest strength, which isn't even their own active doing. This is why when you leave high school, your so called 'friends' you no longer hang out with. It's the forging of bonds and making an effort to be together that counts.
Late virginity loser here. Both the virgins and non-virgins who downplay sex are lying to themselves. The latter likely do so because they are people who didn't have to wait long to lose it. Is sex that great? Not exactly. Is the confidence in life from having had sex pretty profound? Unironically yes. I was great at pretending before but now I can pretend even better and about more things. Not just about sex, but the amount of sex, relationships, and life experience I have. Is being in a relationship always good? No, it's a lot of work and often annoying as frick, especially when the partner has more ex-partners. Do I prefer it to being alone? For now, and I definitely don't regret just experiencing it.
losing your virginity for the sake of it or because you’re too young to know has other social consequences. idk i wouldn’t stress it but there is a lot of social pressure around sex
Not even close to the social consequences of still having it for a long period of time. bawds dumb enough to overshare with me repeatedly bring up how weird it seemed that I wasn't dating/hadn't had a long term relationship and virtually everyone assumes there's something wrong with you. Single men are basically second class citizens. The film "The Lobster" is kind of about this but pays lip service to single women as well.
>social consequences
What social consequences? This isn't something people care about once you're actually an adult. No one is going to be asking you about being a virgin unless you have very immature friends. My only social contact is family, work, and church. I don't have time or interest in a social life beyond that. A gf/wife would be nice to have, but I'm not
Bullshit. Sex and relationships are all normalgays talk about. I've been making up stories for the past couple weeks in my new job but pretty much everyone can tell and is just being polite and playing along.
losing your virginity for the sake of it or because you’re too young to know has other social consequences. idk i wouldn’t stress it but there is a lot of social pressure around sex
>Does losing your virginity at a later age really have social consequences?
so many
people look at you as creepy/weirdo
"why did he not have gf at early age"?
he must be weird or creepy since he didn't had gf
wow what a loner
he is such a dork, he never takes lead at anything
can you imagine there was time when being a virgin at 30 was so unfathomable that internet culture coined a special term for such men, equating their presence with that of wizards?
Statistically. The later you lose your virginity, the worse off you are mentally.
Also there’s hard numbers showing if you haven’t lost it by around 26-27. You never will. (Unless you legit just chose not to lose it for religious reasons or something)
But remember the opposite is also true. The more sexual partners a person has the worse they are mentally and they will find it much much harder to ever find a long term partner.
Yes. It indicates that you were unattractive during your teenage/young adult years and you will be living with that shame for the rest of your life. You got less experience romantic relationships so you will get less partners and have a lower chance of ever getting a meaningful relationship.
Many people are terrible in relationships despite lots of experience, and in fact, people who are bad partners often have more relationships, because their relationships are short-lived and they hop between them quickly. And teenage/YA dating experience isn't that helpful at all. High school and even some college relationships are often unstable and dramatic because most young people are idiots with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex. Many of them show less immaturity because of age, not inexperience.
>people who are bad partners often have more relationships
These people want the benefits of a relationship (sex, intimacy, togetherness, whatever), but really lack the interpersonal skills to support having a relationship. Bonus points if at least one of them is hot and they can just coast by their looks and get a lot of sex from it. It's like that if you're born with something (in this case attractiveness), then you don't appreciate having to work for it.
Many people are terrible in relationships despite lots of experience, and in fact, people who are bad partners often have more relationships, because their relationships are short-lived and they hop between them quickly. And teenage/YA dating experience isn't that helpful at all. High school and even some college relationships are often unstable and dramatic because most young people are idiots with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex. Many of them show less immaturity because of age, not inexperience.
I lost it at 27ish to my now girlfriend and before then when asked I lied every time. No the consequences don't vibe quite like this movie, all funny and epic, like the bros coming to wingman you to victory. I guess that's what could happen if you just own it and step into it but when it's a psychological drain that is pretty fricking dark you're not just gonna "step into" it... I always felt this movie was a contradiction.
They don't like suicide because it makes them feel briefly uncomfortable. That's the extent to which they care - how it personally affects them. They don't want you to talk about your problems because that also makes them uncomfortable.
>That's good. That's like a >tfw no gf thread. Nobody got nothing to say about a >no gf thread. A Sopranos thread? Bring a smile to your face. True Detective Thread? Shit, homies is damn near barbecuing on that motherfricker. Go down to a Hunter Schafer thread, homies get they b***h on. Get they blood complaining. But a >no gf thread?Nobody give a FRICK about >tfw no gf. Nobody remember >tfw no gf, and y'all homies is giving me way too many >tfw no gf threads! What the frick!?
Back in 2005 when this movie came out, it was inconceivable for a normally functioning full time employed man to be a virgin at age 40. Only mentally disabled and people that look like the comic book store guy from The Simpsons were virgins.
For the love of God go outside, you can see so many below average people with Girlfriends, Hell I'm average and had a few GFs. That woman is only going to wind up lonely through her own choices
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you can see so many below average people with Girlfriends,
no I can't, I'm tired of your lies
>hint: it still is
Again late virginity-loser here; It absolutely is not. Work culture demands pretty much your whole life in order to stay afloat. Work used to be one of the EASIEST ways to get laid and now the deck is stacked harshly against men in that environment. Men take on tremendous risk just working with women. Women HAVE to initiate and even then you could get in trouble later. Dating apps are the next best thing, and everyone is already familiar with how horribly those damage egos.
Nah. If you’re in an office working with women and single it’s almost assured you’re going to frick, at least in my experience. Being in close proximity for long periods of time without supervision almost ensures it so long as you talk to one another regularly. Years ago I was working in logistics and this woman started working there. In my head I thought “nice lady, but she’s not that attractive.” But over time either she got in shape or my mind made her more palatable and the more we talked the more we started flirting and within six months we were sending nudes and fricking in the car down the street.
Yeah I mean, that can be overcome but you’d have to be a shithead. Some of the girls that had bf’s are definitely the type to frick around behind his back, but even if you’re desperate that shit’s foul. I guess I mainly got lucky that most of the chicks that I worked with were single
I'm a 28 year old virgin (not kissless) however that's solely because I never took risks and showed interest in women. Even then seeing naked women and getting my dick touched doesn't do it for me unless I have feelings for the c**t.
i know im young but at the same time, what percent of men make it to 21 without even holding hands or going on a single date
I can't imagine it's very high
I didn't get my first gf or even lose my virginity until I was like 20, just make an effort it's not too late,
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It's not too late for you either anon
I try to make an effort but nobody reciprocates
I just transferred to a new college this semester, and it's been almost a month already and I haven't made any friends
I've been there anon it is tough and does feel like you're making no progress but you are and if you keep persevering you will make it, just remember to also eat right and lift kid 🙂
thank you, but i dont know how you can be so optimistic
lifting is a good analogy because it's another thing ive been trying at for years but have made no progress in
i've been regularly lifting for 5 years but because I'm tall and have the testosterone of a 45 year old man (409 ng/dl) ive made 0 progress
the only reason i havent stopped is because im afraid that the second i do ill go back to being fat, which is why i started
>1 month
try one year kek
i was 2 years in at another college before changing majors and i didnt have any friends there either, but that was a commuter school
>been regularly lifting for 5 years but because I'm tall and have the testosterone of a 45 year old man (409 ng/dl) ive made 0 progress
I hate this, I started lifting all throughout last year and progressively became capable of lifting more and more (nothing impressive tho) and my body didn't change at all, I still have noodle arms which is annoying, I think being tall makes it harder to get gains
3 months ago
Anonymous
Eat more
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm already fat, eating isn't a problem
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you're fat then first focus on losing weight. Diet is the most important part, also focus more on cardio than lifting at this point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah thats what I've been doing this year instead, already lost a bit of weight so going to keep going
3 months ago
Anonymous
I thought weightlifting helped with fat loss.
3 months ago
Anonymous
helps sure, but if your main goal is to burn fat then focus on diet and cardio first and foremost
3 months ago
Anonymous
ive tried that but it just makes me fat with no muscle growth
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're not eating well then. Ensure you get at least 0.7–1 gram per pound of protein every day, no processed shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's how i was eating
i still grew 0 muscle and only got fat
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are not special. Do it again but not moronic. Read the fricking sticky.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're not a thermodynamic miracle, you are doing something wrong.
More than likely counting both your calories and macros wrong.
im extremely tall and have the testosterone of a middle-aged man
3 months ago
Anonymous
>have the testosterone of a middle-aged man
That's the result of a poor diet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I read the same sticky and eat the same foods as you
>b-but I really AM special, not everyone else who says they are
RTS
already have
the advice within doesn't work if your body doesn't play along
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I read the same sticky and eat the same foods as you
Then it's the amount.
It's really not complicated, if you're getting fat you're consuming more calories than you're spending.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i spent 8 months eating 3300 calories per day, the appropriate amount for my height and weight to gain muscle (6'5 and 200 lbs) and ate 200 gram of protein per day while lifting 5 days a week
it just gave me a beer belly and fatty arms
i tried really hard but my body is too weak to build muscle
3 months ago
Anonymous
You ate more than 3300 calories.
If you want to lose weight eat less, if you want to gain weight eat more, that simple.
3 months ago
Anonymous
wrong
it was difficult enough making 3300 calories in the first place
3 months ago
Anonymous
Then you spent less than 3300 calories per day.
You got fat because you were in a caloric surplus. That's a fact.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't miss a day of lifting for those 8 particular months
3 months ago
Anonymous
What were you lifting and what was your progression.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i started with a bro split for the first few months, then did ppl when that wasn't working, and then went back to a bro split for the last few when ppl wasn't working either.
I was 17 throughout this period, and went from a bench 1rm of 120lbs to 180, a squat 1rm of I don't remember to 274, a deadlift 1rm of 180 to 320, and a shoulder press 1rm of 95 to 135
Doesn't matter, you don't spend that many calories while lifting. One small meal can negate everything.
3300 calories is a ton of food, I had to physically force myself to eat dinner each day, I wasn't sneaking pudding cups
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well yeah of course you got fat then. Now try eating 3000 calories instead while lifting largely the same.
3 months ago
Anonymous
im 6'5 and 200 pounds, that's the amount of calories/protein you're supposed to eat to build muscle
3 months ago
Anonymous
And you got fat, which means that you have to eat less.
3 months ago
Anonymous
which is precisely what ive been doing since then, and even though ive kept lifting, i haven't gained any muscle
3 months ago
Anonymous
You gain muscle while bulking, when you're cutting you lose body fat and try to retain as much muscle mass as possible.
You're currently cutting, which means you won't gain muscle. You don't gain muscle mass while losing weight, you can only lose body fat to show more muscle which you already have.
3 months ago
Anonymous
again, the problem is that when i bulk i dont build any muscle, only fat
i plateud within a few months of starting to eat 3300 calories a day, and made no progress afterwards
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're doing something wrong. Another important aspect is sleep, if you don't regularly sleep well you won't gain any muscle. Recovery in general also, you can also be overtrained.
3 months ago
Anonymous
and if i told you i typically slept 9 hours a day during this period, what would your response be?
other people who follow bro split/ppl don't seem to have recovery issues
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm telling you that you're not a thermodynamic miracle or special in any way, you are doing something wrong.
Personal trainers are a thing exactly because of people like you, get someone to actively monitor you and you'll see what you're doing wrong.
3 months ago
Anonymous
maybe when im out of school and have money
3 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't matter, you don't spend that many calories while lifting. One small meal can negate everything.
3 months ago
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>b-but I really AM special, not everyone else who says they are
RTS
3 months ago
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You're not a thermodynamic miracle, you are doing something wrong.
More than likely counting both your calories and macros wrong.
I didn't get my first gf or even lose my virginity until I was like 20, just make an effort it's not too late,
I'm a 28 year old virgin (not kissless) however that's solely because I never took risks and showed interest in women. Even then seeing naked women and getting my dick touched doesn't do it for me unless I have feelings for the c**t.
Nah I'm not like the doomers in this thread. I talk to girls regularly and am a lot more confident than I was in my early 20s. Currently working on this girl I met at a bar although it might be a long shot (she's considerably younger than me) but I might as well try and see what happens.
Of course. It displays you have poor communication skills and that you are not high quality enough to convince a chick to let you bang her. I don’t think it’s terrible, but I will say getting laid changed me into a much more confident, sociable person. I changed from a mild introvert into a heavy extrovert almost overnight. The biggest thing fricking a chick for the first time does is let you know “I can do it.” You just fricked a chick, that thing you’d been wanting to do since you were 11. That was fun as shit, what otger things you’ve been wanting to do can you do? That kind of thing
jesus h christ by 28 you should be so jaded from relationships you don't even to frick anymore. you're stronger than me anon cause i didn't get laid by 28 i woulda offed myself
I am going to be 38 this year and I may still be a virgin by then; quite possibly until death. People have a lot of bizarre preconceptions about it, but once I had hit around 32 or so I just tell people if they ask. I just say without hesitation I'm a virgin and never even have been on a date. It doesn't bother me because their reactions are always pretty funny. Society has elevated pussy to that of a deity, so a few people will even audibly gasp when they hear the age plus virgin. Some people can't even see it as being feasible even though I was a fatty for a long time. Zero will try to help unlike what this movie shows, which is understandable. They mostly just react with something like a wince ,"wait you're serious?", or a pat on the back and move on.
After awhile you kind of accept it and get on with life or you have a nice day from the perceived stress over it. I just put all my energy into my artwork and feel better for it, ultimately becoming pretty good at drawing because of the excessive time I can put into it. It's a lifestyle now and admittedly is all I have, but I make it work. I have family and friends and every single one of them is married now except me. Even morbidly obese crippled members of my family who are in diapers are getting plapped regularly. I just shrug and do what I can with what I have, and it's not so terrible a thing. I'll probably go crazy in middle-age though, which is when most guys tap out who are like this. We'll see. Good luck out there, friends.
Not many go that far to ask why. Usually they immediately start lending out boilerplate advice or encouragement, or they shrug and move along. If someone did I'd probably tell them I never tried very hard. The truth would more be I had convinced myself by twelve no woman would ever touch me with affection, and the further truth would be I was raised by a narcissistic single mother. That's why there are going to be a lot more like me, since single moms are rampant now. After twenty or so I take all responsibility for my failure, but before that my mother and female teachers really did a number on me. I'm easily fifteen years behind every guy I know because of it, even my older brothers.
Is it possible to be handsome (or at least decent looking) and still be a virgin due to autism? Or am I just coping >be me >tall >in decent shape >been complimented on my appearance by women before >I just basically have no friends and never put myself in a position where I could approach women, the only places I ever go are my uni classes, gym, and home
Honestly I really don't think looks are that important, because I see manlets/uglies/fatties with gfs on a daily basis
The problem with approaching women at places you frequent (jobs, clubs) is that if you get rejected, it'll be awkward as frick every time you go to that places
There are cute girls at my work but I would never hit on any of them for this exact reason
college clubs are different, people join them to make connections and that includes romantic ones, even if they're not upfront about that. i imagine whatever job you have right now is different too because it's not your career. once i got out of school my opportunities to organically meet women dropped significantly. busy with work and my obsessive hobbies whatever. a girl i was dating in grad school invited me to her undergrad premed club once and it was full of women who were in all likelihood single
I lost my virginity at 14 to a 16 year old cosplay girl with big breasts who played neopets and have been consistently dating women since I was around 17, never been single for more than a month or so since then despite having autistic interests. Only thing I can never relate to you gays about. The idea that someone couldn't understand women is nonsense to me. It feels so easy and natural. And even my nerdy friends got gfs by college. Unironically how the frick do you morons not have gfs if you want them?
>Unironically how the frick do you morons not have gfs if you want them?
this is the actual thing. most people just want to do their own fricking thing there are enough challenges and struggles in being alive why add another plate to spin on top of all your shit you have to be responsible for. It's one thing if you can find a girl to have fun with and she pays rent and has sex with you sometimes. That's a novel and wonderful idea. The reality is you are adopting another mans child to raise. If you have any goals of rearing children you need to teach them to not have expectations of always going out and spending money or spending time on social media competing with her friend who always posts ass pics from cancun who travels all the time and has no real job or expectations of herself. There's this huge misconception between the genders on expectations and rarely will people take the time to address them >I want to have netflix and go out 3 times a week >I want to have all bills paid on time and accumulate wealth while being frugal
it's not that there's friction it's just completely unrelatable ideals. "babe why don't we stay in and play a game I pirated instead of spending 300 dollars three times this week going out" "oh my god what the frick is wrong with you? stay home? you sound like a old man" "ok how about you get a job and we spend that money for going out I'd go out but we have this 1800 dollar rent we have to pay every 25 days" "wow men are supposed to provide and you're going to ask me to get a job when I have all this college debt? you know I was making six figures when I worked at google." "yeah ok but after the massive layoffs you still aren't working and you didn't save any of that money for this situation you went to boca raton 6 times a year." "yeah that's how we met I was thinking for our 6 month anniversary we could go there for a week" "I don't know if we're having the same conversation right now?"
>Haha understanding women is so easy I can't stay single even if I try how can you guys act like it's hard lol it's so easy Guess there's just something I understand that you guys don't >How tall am I? Well I'm 6'3 but what's that have to do with how well I understand women?
This movie shows that virginity isnt really that big of a deal. Andys real issue is that he was a manchild dork who never really developed into a man more than anything, and the real tragedy is that he missed out on finding a good woman. Despite the entire plot centering around him trying to lose his virginity for the sake of it, he instead waits until he marrys a woman he loves to have sex for the first time.
In contrast, his friends sex lives are a mess. One is married and lives in a constant state of fear because hes constantly cheating on her and the other has obsessive oneits. Its shows that there are much worse things than being a virgin. I think it would have been better if the Seth Rogan character had a bunch of issues with STDs or something to show that negative side of it, hes just kind of there otherwise.
The overall message of the movie to stop putting pussy on a pedestal is 100% true but the sad part is that virgins never really get this until after theyve had sex and its not THAT great.
>stop putting pussy on a pedestal is 100% true but the sad part is that virgins never really get this
Wrong, in fact a lot of adult virgins are virgins because they completely gave up and simply stop caring altogether.
A standard adult virgin should care more if he wants to change his situation, not less.
>they see having sex with a woman as some sort of superhuman task.
to be fair it isn't a worthwhile investment. you spend all this time and energy trying to woo a girl for like 20 minutes of cardio before cooming. the moral animal goes over the resource investment that woman apply by keeping orbiters around. it makes sense like why wouldn't they take resources from men who are interested in sex when they know that those mens genetics are not worth procreating with and continuing with?
>I think it would have been better if the Seth Rogan character had a bunch of issues with STDs or something to show that negative side of it
I did a lot of fricking in my life starting at age 13 and I contracted 2 incurable STD's because of it. The problem I have now is I can't keep a gf because when the herpes sores flare up and I don't want to frick them to possibly infect them they always think I'm cheating on them with someone else.
Warts, but I've never had a break out. The herpes seem to show up at the worst possible times and can happen once a month for around 5 days or 6 months will go by until you see them again.
Genital herpes? Thankfully I only got the mouth sores one, though I have some shitty skin conditions (not contagious) on my face, so I feel for you. Why not tell them right out you have it?
That sucks, what's the other incurable std you have?
I got chlamydia twice but thankfully that's a nothing burger since meds remove it
Warts, but I've never had a break out. The herpes seem to show up at the worst possible times and can happen once a month for around 5 days or 6 months will go by until you see them again.
>Herpes >Warts >Chlamydia
IMAGINE being a sex haver
I think technically you could be some Chad virgin who socialises easily and confidently despite never having sex but I've never knowingly met anyone like that and it is far, far more common for late in life virgins to have a very obvious chip on their shoulder about it and interact awkwardly and childishly with others of both sexes, but especially women. Sex havers don't find women, at least ordinary run of the mill women, intimidating or infatuating like virgins do. You maybe would have been ok 60 years ago but in a modern world where women have penetrated almost every part of life they are pretty much unavoidable if you aren't a NEET.
Virgins are often still stuck in the childish pre-puberty "girls suck!" kind of mentality, pretending as if they are not even interested in any girl while at the same time literally dreaming to get a girl.
Yeah. You know how young teenagers are always halfway between bravado and shyness with girls? They eventually get over it from experience but if you never had that experience you're still tensing your arms whenever they bump into you so you appear muscular (or similar 'worrying whether she might find you attractive' things like fussing over your hair or putting on a brooding expression) and avoiding their eye if they look at you.
Just shyness for me. I can talk and even somewhat flirt verbally but as soon as theres an opportunity for physical contact then I just back off into permanent friendly talking zone. No bravado for me.
Regardless, you can see what I mean by childish. Kids are like that because they don't have any actual experience to base confidence on. It's either fake/naïve confidence or no confidence, depending on your personality.
That's just how it is, a man who can't find a partner is seen as a gigantic red flag to all of society, women especially. Yes, women would rather date a literal murderer than an adult clueless virgin.
>Eastern Europe
anon no girl on the planet is interested in a clueless adult male virgin, especially in Eastern Europe where girl seek very masculine men
realistically you're just going to need to find the female equivalent of yourself. there are also plenty of women in the west who are decent. probably that attitude is why there are so many virgins on this site lmao
Theres no female adult equivalents to male virgins.
The closest thing would be a girl whose had sex but never been able to keep a boyfriend for longer than a few months I guess.
Being a virgin at that age is likely a consequence and symptom of other social issues so you have to worry about those first if you want to things to change. And yes you should want them to change. Stop coping with the “only vapid normies think it’s a big deal” story. You’re just looking for excuses not to work on yourself. Having a relationship and starting a family is literally your biological imperative and you definitely will suffer if you don’t get your shit in order
I’m 25, almost 26 and a virgin. I’ve only really spoken to 1 girl in my entire life (longer than 2 minutes) and she’s more of a cousin. I abhor any contact with women at this point. I simply can’t stand being in the presence of an attractive woman. It’s like I’m in some dangerous situation and I’m on edge. I don’t understand how it’s even possible for men and women to converse, have sex, or fall into a relationship. It’s like I’m watching aliens. I’m honestly scared of women, scared they’ll think I’m creepy if I look at them or make eye contact for too long, or accidental physical contact. I simply avoid them and pretend they don’t exist unless I’m forced to speak. I don’t think I’ll change at this point. I think I’ll just frick prostitutes one day when I visit Thailand.
It's not about being a virgin in and of itself. It's the fact that you've missed out on key social development milestones during adolescence that will make relationships throughout adulthood more difficult.
>Does losing your virginity at a later age really have social consequences?
I thought it was a big deal so I went to Thailand to make dating 10x easier and to frick prostitutes if I couldn't hack it and the reality is that when I lost my virginity nothing changed. The only thing I stopped caring about was being a virgin.
It's literally a meme, jerking off feels better than sex. What feels 10x better than both is cuddling.
People will think I am a cheeto eating larper who just wants to hurt peoples feelings but I swear I am telling the truth I am a 45 year old virgin this is my story:
I grew up in a basically NGMI lifestyle. Homeschooled from Age 1. Parents never allowed me to even do HS because the government was going to brainwash me. Dad basically in this Calvinist Cult so I had to memorize the entire Bible and yes I am cut penis. They brainwashed me instead lol. Honestly, growing up was pretty comfy. Although I was kinda in my dads cult, I never had to frick any pedos or him. I always heard stories about school bullies or various stresses from whatever motley crew of friends I would get moving from apartment to apartment that I didn't need to partake in. One time for some weird reason two 12 yo girls liked me and we hung out. They moved to kiss me I liked it, then they took off pants and said frick us. My brain short circuited it was too fast. I just ran away. After that I just did HS online in peace. No social life = no drugs or gangs my parents said.
I liked the life okay so did a Bachelors online next so there goes the frat life poof. Then I worked into age 30 for family business but met no woman under age 45 seriously. I broke out of my parents spell and tried Masters degree on campus with big dreams but women were brutal and smelled the Wizard on me. The most awkward conversations imaginable. Impossible to even flirt without cringe. You need to train these skills as a kid or its Impossible Mode as an adult to get laid. Did a shitty degree trying to find myself so have been working at Target trying to pay off student loans and practicing IT skills. Decided to fricking go to Germany and finally lost physical virginity last year. It freed my mind a little but still need to see what love means. I would say every convo you have is how weird it is to have no kids at 45. You will always be scary to people. its worth getting married. peace
funny enough i’ve had sex with like 15 girls in highschool and now i haven’t had sex in the 3 years since then, lost all my friends and tanked my social skills.
tldr; sex and socialization are 100% intertwined, it’s over for you anons
I'm a 32-year-old, maladjusted virgin, I have a kissed a couple of girls, but I'm 100% gay and only into older, heterosexual males that would never give me the time of day, so it's more of an obsessive lusting after that from afar on my end.
It's not the same.
I also hate gays and being gay. And yes, I've had/currently still have thoughts of sometimes wishing I was born a female despite being an complete misogynist to boot.
How the frick do you get that old and not lose your virginity? Do you homosexuals just not try? How do you lose 25 years to not trying? What the actual frick. The second I started trying to have sex, I had sex within a few months
I can understand that, but not into your thirties!!!! I wasted my entire highschool years doing that, but when I was 19 I decided I was going to try super hard to have sex, and I did
If you had to try really hard it doesn't count.
Ask a normal person how they met their girlfriend and they'll never say "I tried really hard until finally a girl liked me"
Being poor meant I had to focus on trying to make money above everything else. This led me to sacrifice my social life and along with it my social skills,
I ended up being in a position where I'm neither too good at making money (its decent and I meet my necessities but nothing much to brag about). Nor am I good at social life. Trying to make up for it but I have lost a lot of time that I am unsure I can ever make up for
i never encounter females, i am like a western hikikomori with a job.
i go to work, i go home, i go to work, i go home.
i never do anything and i dont have friends.
I was with a women a few years ago who was 29, she admired to me she didn’t lose her virginity until 23. She was very pretty and fun to be around too. My best friend who’s a guy lost it at 25 to the girl he still dated to this day. It just happens late for some people, don’t get freaked out by movies and “cultural expectations”.
I lost my virginity at 35. I didn't get super powers or anything but I will be honest with you, my life did improve. There is a certain level of confidence you lack in life when you live and no woman is ever attracted to you to the point where they want to frick you. It weighs you down. You feel like an outsider to your peers. Fricking someone removes that. I disagree with the notion that a woman won't make you better. That is 100% wrong if you live your life alone. Even if you fricked a girl at 18 and never again, you still are living better than someone who never had sex ever.
I think most incel types don't really want "sex" they want intimacy, if they just want sex and can't get it then they're just genuine fricking morons and should go frick a prozzie to get it done and over with.
This. The #1 advice I get is pay for a escort. If I did that, all that I accomplished if going from an incel to a guy that is bad at sex.
As an aside a friend of mine did this, got caught in a police bust and was bawling in the cop car that he was a virgin and just wanted to get laid once and the cops took pity on him and let him go.
You are vastly overestimating how much people care about that shit, as if they don't have more important things to worry about. I suspect you are all underage and think your high school concerns matter to anyone or anything. I can't even imagine how pathetic someone would have to be in taking such an interest in whether or not someone is fricking or not. No respectable adult is going to act like that, you fricking children.
I don't need to tell myself anything, I live in the real world.
I genuinely think I'm getting too old for this place. If you're over the age of 18 and still think this shallow, high school shit is important then I doubt your IQ is above 90.
A person who casually has sex will never understand what a person who never did goes through. Sex is not a big thing when you have it all the time but is torture if you don't. It's like if you talked to someone starving in Africa. You could never relate to them because you live in a country where food is everywhere. "Lol just go to the grocery store and pay for food" is the same as "Lol just pay for a prostitute" . The fundamental issues are not resolved.
I'm 40 and a virgin and honestly can't imagine ever being with a woman. I've thought about trying dating but at some point they're gonna ask about previous relationships and once I say that I've never been in one they'll run a mile. That's if they can't smell the virginity on me.
But I'm also feeling more and more anxious about the fact I'm going to die alone. I really don't want, but see no way out.
Not really. If you're a standard wagekek nobody asks you about your sex life. In fact most jobs I've worked nobody talks to each other period anymore and outside of work I don't really engage with people anymore
Yup, I think it also depends where you're working, I used to work retail where ppl constantly spoke about sex and I always had to avoid my colleagues when they spoke about it.
Now I've been working at an office for years nobody talks in a vulgar way, occasionally someone may mention their girlfriend or boyfriend but it doesn't happen often.
My favourite cope is always along the line of "dude i dont need relationships i have muh hobbies i am soooooo busy" while they hang out in incel threads and post for hours about how they're above women, sex and relationships.
Nah not really. I'm 27 and never had sex and all the women in the office know me as the IT guy.
In the least condescending way possible why do you think it is that you are virgins? How are your social lives in general?
Who is that?
Untrue, however if it hasn't happened by age 25 you're probably doing something wrong
>Who is that?
lurk more
>lurk more
I've been here since 2022 newbie
haha oh ok my bad dude keep being awesome ;^)
Don't pretend to be me >:(
>In the least condescending way possible why do you think it is that you are virgins? How are your social lives in general?
I've always had a small group of friends who are either normies with girlfriends or ppl like me who've never dated.
Anytime I've spoken to a girl they've recoiled in disgust or just tensed up and given me one word replies.
I've been told I always look angry/sad which isn't something I can facially control and generally I've never been invited to parties and such, also never went to college since I dropped out of high-school
Pic related illustrates most of my problems.
I've been told to be nice my whole life. Be nice, be polite, be nice, treat everyone equally. And I was nice, so much so that I even got the quite embarrassing "Most Polite" award back in school, twice.
Being "nice" was just ingrained in my being and I can't help it, so much so of that I became incapable of flirting/showing sexual interest towards women without feeling as if I'm being extremely rude to them.
So nothing ever happened in that department
>How are your social lives in general?
Just standard stuff really, just minus the romantic/intimacy/relationship part. I go to work, go to the gym, have some drinks with a few friends here and there or go hiking, travel somewhere once or twice a year, concerts if something is interesting, standard shit really. Not like I go out every single weekend, but definitely not a basement dweller either.
forgot pic
how was your relationship with your dad? mine taught me a lot about girls, how they think, where the line is between flirty and creepy, etc.
>men use logic to dictate their emotions. women use emotions to dictate their logic.
maybe the most useful tip he ever gave me, besides brushing your teeth before going out
that's honestly weird
It's not weird if it turned out well for him, my Dad never taught me that, I just had to learn it through experience
yeah that's how it went for me i'd rather have my own mental models
Maybe it varies, and the best thing is for the dad to do is not offer unsolicited advice on the subject but give his input if the kid asks for it
>but give his input if the kid asks for it
maybe. idk i gave and still give a lot of thought to the things my dad says. "men use logic to dictate their emotions" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone if i didn't let my emotions take over at times i'd be so fricked in life
I don't think there's really any way for your parents to give you tips for dating, since they don't know what's changed since they were young and just like other normies they never needed to "try" and get a girlfriend, it just kind of happened.
Parents teach by example, or in other words a son learns how to act around women depending on how his father acts around his wife and other women.
All the boys back in school who started chasing girls the moment they hit puberty didn't do it because they got detailed tutorial explanations from their dad how to do it, they just did it "by instict" mimicking what they saw earlier
>they just did it "by instict" mimicking what they saw earlier
the girls came after me i was just reacting
>the girls came after me i was just reacting
Doesn't matter, you also reacted "by instict" in the same way.
Meanwhile the kid who has no father literally has no clue how to react and just freezes up instead
I think that may explain my lack of success with women then since my parents never got on, and always slept in seperate rooms and never hugged or anything, they were basically like roommates rather than a couple.
>since they don't know what's changed since they were young
A lot can change in 20 years but this isn't really one of them with the exception of new technology things really aren't that much different. Advice from a parent about meeting a girl in a bar or nightclub or advice what the frick you do when you're in a relationship is mostly valid
Man you are truly delusional and out of touch.
I've met all of my girlfriends through dating apps but I've also met plenty of women in real life, that advice on meeting people IRL is still useful as is advice on what do to when you're in a relationship you moron
> I've met all of my girlfriends through dating apps
how old are you? i’m 32 and completely inept at dating apps. good in person though or so i’ve been told. no amount of advice has made either easier i just do what i feel
put a standard long term married boomer into todays dating market and watch him remain clueless and sexless for years unless he gets a prostitute. the game has changed drastically, stop denying it
You really do think that if you don’t use tech you can’t go to a club or bar and pick up an easy chick don’t you lol
even at clubs/bars things are different than before, there are no movie-like lonely girls at the bar since everyone comes and goes in same exact groups, hell girls don't even go to the bathroom alone. also not to mention that people ask for Instagram/snapchat these days and think of phone numbers as something more private and personal (yes it's moronic), so good luck as a zero tech offline person interacting with a modern day zoomer girl.
First, there are still chicks that go out to the club alone. They’re rare, but they have always been rare. Second, I have literally never had a single problem with giving my number out over my socials, and while yes chicks will find it a negative if you don’t have socials and all my exes complained about it, there is no such thing as a woman that would have gone home with you but they changed their mind about getting dicked down because you don’t have an IG. Doesn’t exist. The tech is there to put you in front of the girl, it’s harder now because people go places for a purpose but on any given day the average club is going to have several women looking to go home with a stranger and if you put in the effort it’s not that hard to make it happen
I don't have socials and I never will.
That’s fine, I’m saying chicks take issue with it’s not an actual dealbreaker for you to get laid. I’ve had issues with younger chicks in relationships being annoyed I don’t have socials, but no chick’s ever said “you’re cute, but we can’t frick cuz you don’t have a snap”
I see, I just really don't understand why some girls are obsessed with it, I guess in terms of a relationship they want to be able to tag you in everything or they don't want to be seen dating a guy with no socials
the one thing i remember my dad telling me was that i should try to have sex with a girl i loved. also my parents put me in like a 70 hour sex ed class in 8th grade
>men use logic to dictate emotion
>immediately gets his panties in a wad
exhibit A, a virginal boy
lost my virginity at 15 moron women like my emotions
you're married with kids?
you’re a b***h dude
kek you should've taken my dad's advice, kid. you're what's known as a 'frickboy'
your dad is a moron who raised a loser
he's a grandfather, i can only hope the same will be true for yours.'
sorry anon
>he's a grandfather, i can only hope the same will be true for yours.'
not really a concern of mine right now but life doesn't end tomorrow. really not a problem to get in touch with your emotions anon it's healthy.
STOP FIGHTING
Dad never really talked in any great detail about getting girls, but really wouldn't say it's his fault because I also have siblings which were raised in the same exact way as me and they are normal in relationship/married people.
>men use logic to dictate their emotions
This isn't true. Most men are emotional creatures.
men who can't control their emotions are not men, they are boys. and it's also why a great many ITT are approaching wizard status
are men more womanly than women
Literally had 2 step dads who could give a frick less. My real dad is alive and well and living out in Palm Springs. Only reason I know is because I looked him up and am going to show up and beat the frick out of him next weekend. Told myself I'd wait till my son was 5 before showing up at his doorstep so I can really not understand why you turn away and never see your son ever. I last saw him when I was 2. Steve if you are reading this you keep your doors unlocked so I don't have to break your windows next Saturday. I promise I won't send you to the hospital.
I think the problem is that telling someone to be nice is just terrible advice. I'd say it 's probably much better to tell them to not be an arsehole, work hard to get what you want, don't be afraid to ask or go for it but at the same time don't be a prick and screw people over for no reason
I fricking swear I've read this exact post before. Most Polite award and everything. The frick?
Me too, especially the part about flirting being rude, I just think he's a regular on this board and posts about his experience in the same way each time
The problem is that you aren’t actually that nice and polite, you act that way because you’re a coward. People like people who are real, even if they can be rude or abrasive sometimes. You need to have a wild side, a fiery passionate side, no one likes a quiet and polite bugman. Other men get turned off by that, not to mention women
Early trauma that makes me believe that I don’t have any value so I never tried to chase girls, and when girls initiate anything with me I go into flight mode.
i stopped giving a shit about being a virgin in my mid 20's
its so fricking dumb
ltierally nothing would change if i stuck my dick into a pussy
No one cares did you insert your penis into a vegana, but there definitely are many social consequences to never being in any kind of relationship as an adult man.
With age it even becomes extremely weird to others when you just live like a eunuch as if relationships and intimacy don't even exist as a concept. Most people don't really care did you insert your penis into a vegana, but they definitely will treat you way differently if they know you have never been in any kind of relationship as an adult. People don't talk about sex that often with everyone yes, but they definitely very regularly talk about their gf/bf/husband/wife extremely regularly in every situation possible and if you never have anything to add it shows quickly and people will definitely treat you differently because of it.
This is also why prostitutes don't solve adult male virgin problems
>This is also why prostitutes don't solve adult male virgin problems
True but plowing prostitutes is still fun.
> People don't talk about sex that often with everyone yes, but they definitely very regularly talk about their gf/bf/husband/wife extremely regularly in every situation possible
these types of people are vapid anyway who cares
>everyone in a relationship is vapid
cmon now, I am also a virgin but this is pure cope
the people who talk about it constantly often are
Constantly yes, but the vast majority talks REGULARLY about their partners.
In fact it would be considered weird if a married man/woman never mentioned their partner, that's simply how society works. Hell, a lot of people constantly talk about their friends all the time, let alone long term partners which they share their entire life with daily.
And then there's anon, never mentions a single female name ever and comes to every single event by himself, or simply never comes. There definitely are social consequences to such (non) actions
idk that seems like a limiting belief and i wouldn’t want to think in that sort of confirmation-biasy way about myself if i could help it
Yeah well that's why you're a virgin
You come across as very insecure. That's why people might judge you, but the truth is that they probably don't think of you much at all. Your insecurity is deluding your thinking. Your social life is not that important to other people.
Of course that no one gives a shit, that's why an adult virgin is an adult virgin in the first place, it's all on you. Never said like others spend their free time thinking about the adult virgin at work or whatever, but the fact remains is that you will most definitely be treated differently WHEN a person has to interact with you, or in other words there defintiely are social consequences
i know a guy who was/is a virgin well into his 20s who was the most outgoing dude owned a house always had parties and friends over… meanwhile i’m like full of anxiety about everything living with my parents until i’m 30 but hey at least i’ve had sex a couple hundred times right?
Sounds like you have a better life.
Yeah people who knows me find weird that I never talk about sex/girls and haven't had a girlfriend in the years they've known me. I'm not that bad looking so at first they assumed I kept it to myself but ultimately they kind of figured it out.
I just avoid the topic or if they talk about introducing me a girl I just say I'm not interested or whatever.
It sucks necause at my age, people are either in a relationship or fricking almost every weekend so of course they talk about these things.
People that obsessively talk about their partner and nothing else are broken people with no individuality, these are the types who when they get dumped they spiral since they can't handle life alone.
Its like the polar opposite extreme of an adult virgin.
Well adjusted people in healthy relationships don't need to obsess over each other.
And everyone agrees people who talk about their kids are the worst.
>people talk about moronic shit at work
>don't want to hear any of it
>look pissed off all the time
>nobody talks to me
You guys have no idea how good I have it.
My family is my family. They don't care. The conversations I have with people at work are professionally based or about common interests (movies, sports, news, etc.). This isn't some dead end retail job where people sit around gossiping all day. My conversations at church are faith based.
People treat me just fine and get along well.
What kind of church do you go to where a single adult man is never asked about being or getting married?
Probably because it's a personal question and they're respectful people.
Catholic here, the church community here will literally non stop talk to the single adult man to get married. You either get married or you become a priest, no inbetween. Even the damn priest will tell you to get married over and over again
I'd either tell them to offer me their daughters to marry or they can frick off
>it's a personal question
And talking about faith is even more personal, yet they do it
I see this posted all the time and never see proof. Just her spending the family fortune on mlm. I’ve asked for proof and people point to Facebook posts about her selling amway or some shit as if that proves she spent every dime on it lol. Chuds around here love a man who murdered his whole family lol.
Shit. Meant for
Catholic. Maybe it is different with Protestants. For them church is just a social gathering where a sermon happens.
At my church it's 50% retired people and 50% working families. Single men never show up. Single mothers show up for one service and are never seen again, not sure why they never stick around.
if you're a single man without a family who reaches middle age, there's really no point in sticking about if you're not having fun.
if you're still enjoying life then fair play, hang on as you will.
but if you've got no commitments, family, obligations and you're utterly miserable, even god probably agrees that suicide is justifiable
There are men with wives and families who kill themselves so clearly its not the greatest thing
>There are men with wives and families who kill themselves so clearly its not the greatest thing
there's another type of man too...
Everyone says he shouldn't have killed the kids but I think he was right to. I mean look at them.
They literally threw chicken nuggets at their father which means they had no respect for men. He did the future generation of men a favour by taking them out.
they are pathetic, disgraceful worms of men who shouldnt have been granted the gift of life in the first place
Well that post hit a nerve for you.
yeah why would God create those men what a moron.
>My conversations at church are faith based.
damn that sounds awful
very true.
i'm 26 and when people catch a hint of the fact i've never been in a relationship they (correctly) identify that somethign is deeply wrong with me.
i've definitely got some kind of brain frickup like schizoid personality disorder or something. i'm not overtly antisocial, or sociopathic, but i'm overly comfortable, almost obsessive about maintaining a degree of solitude and privacy
i 100% absolutely understand that this makes me a genetic dead end and i am missing out on arguable the most important facet of human existence, but it is what it is. and i'm still reasonably contented.
This is why I'm glad I work in an office with strict HR, people don't talk about sex or relationships since they could get reported or fired for it.
Relatable story, although Im a bit older and not a virgin. Also all the women in my family are c**ts, yes, even my mom. I see how much bullshit they make everyone around them go through and I definitely dont want that in my life. Actually there are very few friend couples who I look at and think to myself: "thats a healthy relationship, I would like something like that for myself.". But yea, not having a relationship history certainly makes you stand out in a negative way, specially among women.
>But yea, not having a relationship history certainly makes you stand out in a negative way, specially among women.
but like you said the women you know are mostly in unhealthy/automatic/npc relationships
I could never be in a normal relationship. I crave it sometimes, but I know it's not feasible, knowing what kind of man I am.
>people will definitely treat you differently because of it.
Why are normies such pricks?
>there definitely are many social consequences to never being in any kind of relationship as an adult man.
I just hate how much proactivity it requires and you never really know what you do to turn them off
Bullshit. When I was growing up there was an old man who lived two doors down from us. Never married or never had a girlfriend that anyone knew of, he was retired and played the organ at the local church. I can remember once my mother asking my dad why he lived alone, and my dad, being a good man and a bit of a chad (in a good way) just shrugged and said, "that's his business". Only sad incels are obsessed with other incels. And b***hy, stuck up women.
>With age it even becomes extremely weird to others when you just live like a eunuch
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Normies don't have anything but 'being part of the group'. Not a single redeeming quality, so the ability to 'collaborate' and 'fight as a group' is their strongest ability. People who live by themselves have found a way to be content with living by their lonesome self, and it threatens the normies' perspective.
Then you start talking about being in a relationship, but normies don't know how to be in a relationship either, because communication and interpersonal interaction is a skill, which they don't possess. Their 'being with the group' by virtue of being around eachother is their strongest strength, which isn't even their own active doing. This is why when you leave high school, your so called 'friends' you no longer hang out with. It's the forging of bonds and making an effort to be together that counts.
Wrong
Late virginity loser here. Both the virgins and non-virgins who downplay sex are lying to themselves. The latter likely do so because they are people who didn't have to wait long to lose it. Is sex that great? Not exactly. Is the confidence in life from having had sex pretty profound? Unironically yes. I was great at pretending before but now I can pretend even better and about more things. Not just about sex, but the amount of sex, relationships, and life experience I have. Is being in a relationship always good? No, it's a lot of work and often annoying as frick, especially when the partner has more ex-partners. Do I prefer it to being alone? For now, and I definitely don't regret just experiencing it.
Not even close to the social consequences of still having it for a long period of time. bawds dumb enough to overshare with me repeatedly bring up how weird it seemed that I wasn't dating/hadn't had a long term relationship and virtually everyone assumes there's something wrong with you. Single men are basically second class citizens. The film "The Lobster" is kind of about this but pays lip service to single women as well.
If you can’t get a girl to frick you, it shows that you really are a subhuman
Haha one more year bros...one more year....
I am 29 years old and I never even kissed a girl
One day, We will ascend my brother
Same but 31. Honestly I dont think that a kiss or sex can override the decades of emotional damage. I probably wouldnt feel anything.
Nobody loses their virginity from age 25-200. Ship has sailed but it doesn't mean you can't live a productive life. Isaac Newton died a virgin iirc.
I lost my virginity at 32, now I'm 33 and I've slept with 3 women. Trying to find one which is bearable to marry now, which might be impossible
>social consequences
What social consequences? This isn't something people care about once you're actually an adult. No one is going to be asking you about being a virgin unless you have very immature friends. My only social contact is family, work, and church. I don't have time or interest in a social life beyond that. A gf/wife would be nice to have, but I'm not
>but I'm not
but I'm not wanting much else.
Bullshit. Sex and relationships are all normalgays talk about. I've been making up stories for the past couple weeks in my new job but pretty much everyone can tell and is just being polite and playing along.
>What social consequences? This isn't something people care about once you're actually an adult.
This.
>no social consequences
>has to spend his free time at church every week worshipping a israelite
t. israelite
you wish Dustin
https://rense.com/general96/jesusnotjew.html
I'm 25 and the pain hasn't gone away yet. i want to kill myself every day.
It gives you certain powers some would consider to be unnatural.
sex is like 5% of life, basing ones success on whether or not you've gotten your dick wet is pathetic and unironically monkey-brained
losing your virginity for the sake of it or because you’re too young to know has other social consequences. idk i wouldn’t stress it but there is a lot of social pressure around sex
Of course it does. The important thing is how much you care
>Does losing your virginity at a later age really have social consequences?
so many
people look at you as creepy/weirdo
"why did he not have gf at early age"?
he must be weird or creepy since he didn't had gf
wow what a loner
he is such a dork, he never takes lead at anything
>"why did he not have gf at early age"?
Its more fun to ask a 30+ yo woman why isn't she married yet.
32 here
is there any hope?
AI girlfriends.
Lost my virginity at 33, so yes.
How did it happen?
can you imagine there was time when being a virgin at 30 was so unfathomable that internet culture coined a special term for such men, equating their presence with that of wizards?
Yeah. You get there, and say
>Uh that's was it?
It's fine but over hyped as frick.
Experiencing it at your age, maybe it's indeed more awesome.
Statistically. The later you lose your virginity, the worse off you are mentally.
Also there’s hard numbers showing if you haven’t lost it by around 26-27. You never will. (Unless you legit just chose not to lose it for religious reasons or something)
But remember the opposite is also true. The more sexual partners a person has the worse they are mentally and they will find it much much harder to ever find a long term partner.
>Statistically.
shut the frick up nerd
Yes. It indicates that you were unattractive during your teenage/young adult years and you will be living with that shame for the rest of your life. You got less experience romantic relationships so you will get less partners and have a lower chance of ever getting a meaningful relationship.
Many people are terrible in relationships despite lots of experience, and in fact, people who are bad partners often have more relationships, because their relationships are short-lived and they hop between them quickly. And teenage/YA dating experience isn't that helpful at all. High school and even some college relationships are often unstable and dramatic because most young people are idiots with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex. Many of them show less immaturity because of age, not inexperience.
>people who are bad partners often have more relationships
These people want the benefits of a relationship (sex, intimacy, togetherness, whatever), but really lack the interpersonal skills to support having a relationship. Bonus points if at least one of them is hot and they can just coast by their looks and get a lot of sex from it. It's like that if you're born with something (in this case attractiveness), then you don't appreciate having to work for it.
Whitepill comments.
I am more concerned about the consequences of industrial society.
I lost it at 27ish to my now girlfriend and before then when asked I lied every time. No the consequences don't vibe quite like this movie, all funny and epic, like the bros coming to wingman you to victory. I guess that's what could happen if you just own it and step into it but when it's a psychological drain that is pretty fricking dark you're not just gonna "step into" it... I always felt this movie was a contradiction.
Why do people act like suicides come out of nowhere but also don’t want people to discuss their problems
I am a kissless virgin who will more than likely die as a kissless virgin and I will never ever kill myself.
Life is still worth living
>Life is still worth living
It really isnt
They don't like suicide because it makes them feel briefly uncomfortable. That's the extent to which they care - how it personally affects them. They don't want you to talk about your problems because that also makes them uncomfortable.
>That's good. That's like a >tfw no gf thread. Nobody got nothing to say about a >no gf thread. A Sopranos thread? Bring a smile to your face. True Detective Thread? Shit, homies is damn near barbecuing on that motherfricker. Go down to a Hunter Schafer thread, homies get they b***h on. Get they blood complaining. But a >no gf thread?Nobody give a FRICK about >tfw no gf. Nobody remember >tfw no gf, and y'all homies is giving me way too many >tfw no gf threads! What the frick!?
Back in 2005 when this movie came out, it was inconceivable for a normally functioning full time employed man to be a virgin at age 40. Only mentally disabled and people that look like the comic book store guy from The Simpsons were virgins.
hint: it still is, you're just hangin out on a website that incels/wizards/chuds flock to because it's pressure-free social interaction
Things have changed A LOT since 2005 and you're delusional if you deny it.
oh no a fricking graph, this really proves my real world experience wong
got any other incel statistics? you frickin homosexuals sure love spamming those
>my real world experience
Like a rich person saying there's no poor people since everyone around him is rich. Truly blissfully delusional.
This just proves it's easier than ever because so many people have become so completely inept
>it's easier than ever
the exact opposite, now even 2/10 barely human obese female hamplanets have the luxury of choosing
no one is interested in average or God forbid below average men no more when they have easy access to better
For the love of God go outside, you can see so many below average people with Girlfriends, Hell I'm average and had a few GFs. That woman is only going to wind up lonely through her own choices
>you can see so many below average people with Girlfriends,
no I can't, I'm tired of your lies
Where do you live? Beautyville? I doubt it
I didn't read the filename and I thought this was a candid recording of someone finding Mark Zuckerberg out in public.
Cool
>hint: it still is
Again late virginity-loser here; It absolutely is not. Work culture demands pretty much your whole life in order to stay afloat. Work used to be one of the EASIEST ways to get laid and now the deck is stacked harshly against men in that environment. Men take on tremendous risk just working with women. Women HAVE to initiate and even then you could get in trouble later. Dating apps are the next best thing, and everyone is already familiar with how horribly those damage egos.
Nah. If you’re in an office working with women and single it’s almost assured you’re going to frick, at least in my experience. Being in close proximity for long periods of time without supervision almost ensures it so long as you talk to one another regularly. Years ago I was working in logistics and this woman started working there. In my head I thought “nice lady, but she’s not that attractive.” But over time either she got in shape or my mind made her more palatable and the more we talked the more we started flirting and within six months we were sending nudes and fricking in the car down the street.
I'm single and have been working in an office for 5 years, all girls there have a boyfriend so I never fricked any.
Yeah I mean, that can be overcome but you’d have to be a shithead. Some of the girls that had bf’s are definitely the type to frick around behind his back, but even if you’re desperate that shit’s foul. I guess I mainly got lucky that most of the chicks that I worked with were single
sex is overrated as shit and changes nothing. I'm not a virgin and I'm still a loser. Not being a virgin has done nothing for me.
at that age nobody will believe even if you say you are virgin.
I'm a 28 year old virgin (not kissless) however that's solely because I never took risks and showed interest in women. Even then seeing naked women and getting my dick touched doesn't do it for me unless I have feelings for the c**t.
im 21 and i think i should give up
i feel like if finding a gf was ever a remote possibility, I would have had some indication by now
21 is nothing, at least keep thugging it out until you're like 25 then you can give up
i know im young but at the same time, what percent of men make it to 21 without even holding hands or going on a single date
I can't imagine it's very high
I try to make an effort but nobody reciprocates
I just transferred to a new college this semester, and it's been almost a month already and I haven't made any friends
I've been there anon it is tough and does feel like you're making no progress but you are and if you keep persevering you will make it, just remember to also eat right and lift kid 🙂
thank you, but i dont know how you can be so optimistic
lifting is a good analogy because it's another thing ive been trying at for years but have made no progress in
i've been regularly lifting for 5 years but because I'm tall and have the testosterone of a 45 year old man (409 ng/dl) ive made 0 progress
the only reason i havent stopped is because im afraid that the second i do ill go back to being fat, which is why i started
i was 2 years in at another college before changing majors and i didnt have any friends there either, but that was a commuter school
>been regularly lifting for 5 years but because I'm tall and have the testosterone of a 45 year old man (409 ng/dl) ive made 0 progress
I hate this, I started lifting all throughout last year and progressively became capable of lifting more and more (nothing impressive tho) and my body didn't change at all, I still have noodle arms which is annoying, I think being tall makes it harder to get gains
Eat more
I'm already fat, eating isn't a problem
If you're fat then first focus on losing weight. Diet is the most important part, also focus more on cardio than lifting at this point.
Yeah thats what I've been doing this year instead, already lost a bit of weight so going to keep going
I thought weightlifting helped with fat loss.
helps sure, but if your main goal is to burn fat then focus on diet and cardio first and foremost
ive tried that but it just makes me fat with no muscle growth
You're not eating well then. Ensure you get at least 0.7–1 gram per pound of protein every day, no processed shit
that's how i was eating
i still grew 0 muscle and only got fat
You are not special. Do it again but not moronic. Read the fricking sticky.
im extremely tall and have the testosterone of a middle-aged man
>have the testosterone of a middle-aged man
That's the result of a poor diet.
I read the same sticky and eat the same foods as you
already have
the advice within doesn't work if your body doesn't play along
>I read the same sticky and eat the same foods as you
Then it's the amount.
It's really not complicated, if you're getting fat you're consuming more calories than you're spending.
i spent 8 months eating 3300 calories per day, the appropriate amount for my height and weight to gain muscle (6'5 and 200 lbs) and ate 200 gram of protein per day while lifting 5 days a week
it just gave me a beer belly and fatty arms
i tried really hard but my body is too weak to build muscle
You ate more than 3300 calories.
If you want to lose weight eat less, if you want to gain weight eat more, that simple.
wrong
it was difficult enough making 3300 calories in the first place
Then you spent less than 3300 calories per day.
You got fat because you were in a caloric surplus. That's a fact.
I didn't miss a day of lifting for those 8 particular months
What were you lifting and what was your progression.
i started with a bro split for the first few months, then did ppl when that wasn't working, and then went back to a bro split for the last few when ppl wasn't working either.
I was 17 throughout this period, and went from a bench 1rm of 120lbs to 180, a squat 1rm of I don't remember to 274, a deadlift 1rm of 180 to 320, and a shoulder press 1rm of 95 to 135
3300 calories is a ton of food, I had to physically force myself to eat dinner each day, I wasn't sneaking pudding cups
Well yeah of course you got fat then. Now try eating 3000 calories instead while lifting largely the same.
im 6'5 and 200 pounds, that's the amount of calories/protein you're supposed to eat to build muscle
And you got fat, which means that you have to eat less.
which is precisely what ive been doing since then, and even though ive kept lifting, i haven't gained any muscle
You gain muscle while bulking, when you're cutting you lose body fat and try to retain as much muscle mass as possible.
You're currently cutting, which means you won't gain muscle. You don't gain muscle mass while losing weight, you can only lose body fat to show more muscle which you already have.
again, the problem is that when i bulk i dont build any muscle, only fat
i plateud within a few months of starting to eat 3300 calories a day, and made no progress afterwards
You're doing something wrong. Another important aspect is sleep, if you don't regularly sleep well you won't gain any muscle. Recovery in general also, you can also be overtrained.
and if i told you i typically slept 9 hours a day during this period, what would your response be?
other people who follow bro split/ppl don't seem to have recovery issues
I'm telling you that you're not a thermodynamic miracle or special in any way, you are doing something wrong.
Personal trainers are a thing exactly because of people like you, get someone to actively monitor you and you'll see what you're doing wrong.
maybe when im out of school and have money
Doesn't matter, you don't spend that many calories while lifting. One small meal can negate everything.
>b-but I really AM special, not everyone else who says they are
RTS
You're not a thermodynamic miracle, you are doing something wrong.
More than likely counting both your calories and macros wrong.
read the sticky, moron
>1 month
try one year kek
I didn't get my first gf or even lose my virginity until I was like 20, just make an effort it's not too late,
It's not too late for you either anon
Nah I'm not like the doomers in this thread. I talk to girls regularly and am a lot more confident than I was in my early 20s. Currently working on this girl I met at a bar although it might be a long shot (she's considerably younger than me) but I might as well try and see what happens.
I'm 29 and I often think about giving up on everything
When the cards are stacked against you, life just sucks
I feel u bro
Of course. It displays you have poor communication skills and that you are not high quality enough to convince a chick to let you bang her. I don’t think it’s terrible, but I will say getting laid changed me into a much more confident, sociable person. I changed from a mild introvert into a heavy extrovert almost overnight. The biggest thing fricking a chick for the first time does is let you know “I can do it.” You just fricked a chick, that thing you’d been wanting to do since you were 11. That was fun as shit, what otger things you’ve been wanting to do can you do? That kind of thing
It's not a cause, but a symptom.
symptom of what?
28 this year but I still have hope.
jesus h christ by 28 you should be so jaded from relationships you don't even to frick anymore. you're stronger than me anon cause i didn't get laid by 28 i woulda offed myself
I am going to be 38 this year and I may still be a virgin by then; quite possibly until death. People have a lot of bizarre preconceptions about it, but once I had hit around 32 or so I just tell people if they ask. I just say without hesitation I'm a virgin and never even have been on a date. It doesn't bother me because their reactions are always pretty funny. Society has elevated pussy to that of a deity, so a few people will even audibly gasp when they hear the age plus virgin. Some people can't even see it as being feasible even though I was a fatty for a long time. Zero will try to help unlike what this movie shows, which is understandable. They mostly just react with something like a wince ,"wait you're serious?", or a pat on the back and move on.
After awhile you kind of accept it and get on with life or you have a nice day from the perceived stress over it. I just put all my energy into my artwork and feel better for it, ultimately becoming pretty good at drawing because of the excessive time I can put into it. It's a lifestyle now and admittedly is all I have, but I make it work. I have family and friends and every single one of them is married now except me. Even morbidly obese crippled members of my family who are in diapers are getting plapped regularly. I just shrug and do what I can with what I have, and it's not so terrible a thing. I'll probably go crazy in middle-age though, which is when most guys tap out who are like this. We'll see. Good luck out there, friends.
What do you tell if they ask why?
Not many go that far to ask why. Usually they immediately start lending out boilerplate advice or encouragement, or they shrug and move along. If someone did I'd probably tell them I never tried very hard. The truth would more be I had convinced myself by twelve no woman would ever touch me with affection, and the further truth would be I was raised by a narcissistic single mother. That's why there are going to be a lot more like me, since single moms are rampant now. After twenty or so I take all responsibility for my failure, but before that my mother and female teachers really did a number on me. I'm easily fifteen years behind every guy I know because of it, even my older brothers.
Yo, I'm almost 36 and still a virgin. Going for 40.
Is it possible to be handsome (or at least decent looking) and still be a virgin due to autism? Or am I just coping
>be me
>tall
>in decent shape
>been complimented on my appearance by women before
>I just basically have no friends and never put myself in a position where I could approach women, the only places I ever go are my uni classes, gym, and home
Honestly I really don't think looks are that important, because I see manlets/uglies/fatties with gfs on a daily basis
very possible. join a club at uni wish i'd have done it. women are in clubs
The problem with approaching women at places you frequent (jobs, clubs) is that if you get rejected, it'll be awkward as frick every time you go to that places
There are cute girls at my work but I would never hit on any of them for this exact reason
college clubs are different, people join them to make connections and that includes romantic ones, even if they're not upfront about that. i imagine whatever job you have right now is different too because it's not your career. once i got out of school my opportunities to organically meet women dropped significantly. busy with work and my obsessive hobbies whatever. a girl i was dating in grad school invited me to her undergrad premed club once and it was full of women who were in all likelihood single
I haven't had sex in 5 years, at what point do regain your virgin status?
i just broke a 5 year streak of nothing at all it was worth it
never, you just go from normalgay to a failed normalgay
I lost my virginity at 14 to a 16 year old cosplay girl with big breasts who played neopets and have been consistently dating women since I was around 17, never been single for more than a month or so since then despite having autistic interests. Only thing I can never relate to you gays about. The idea that someone couldn't understand women is nonsense to me. It feels so easy and natural. And even my nerdy friends got gfs by college. Unironically how the frick do you morons not have gfs if you want them?
>Unironically how the frick do you morons not have gfs if you want them?
this is the actual thing. most people just want to do their own fricking thing there are enough challenges and struggles in being alive why add another plate to spin on top of all your shit you have to be responsible for. It's one thing if you can find a girl to have fun with and she pays rent and has sex with you sometimes. That's a novel and wonderful idea. The reality is you are adopting another mans child to raise. If you have any goals of rearing children you need to teach them to not have expectations of always going out and spending money or spending time on social media competing with her friend who always posts ass pics from cancun who travels all the time and has no real job or expectations of herself. There's this huge misconception between the genders on expectations and rarely will people take the time to address them
>I want to have netflix and go out 3 times a week
>I want to have all bills paid on time and accumulate wealth while being frugal
it's not that there's friction it's just completely unrelatable ideals. "babe why don't we stay in and play a game I pirated instead of spending 300 dollars three times this week going out" "oh my god what the frick is wrong with you? stay home? you sound like a old man" "ok how about you get a job and we spend that money for going out I'd go out but we have this 1800 dollar rent we have to pay every 25 days" "wow men are supposed to provide and you're going to ask me to get a job when I have all this college debt? you know I was making six figures when I worked at google." "yeah ok but after the massive layoffs you still aren't working and you didn't save any of that money for this situation you went to boca raton 6 times a year." "yeah that's how we met I was thinking for our 6 month anniversary we could go there for a week" "I don't know if we're having the same conversation right now?"
>Haha understanding women is so easy I can't stay single even if I try how can you guys act like it's hard lol it's so easy Guess there's just something I understand that you guys don't
>How tall am I? Well I'm 6'3 but what's that have to do with how well I understand women?
This movie shows that virginity isnt really that big of a deal. Andys real issue is that he was a manchild dork who never really developed into a man more than anything, and the real tragedy is that he missed out on finding a good woman. Despite the entire plot centering around him trying to lose his virginity for the sake of it, he instead waits until he marrys a woman he loves to have sex for the first time.
In contrast, his friends sex lives are a mess. One is married and lives in a constant state of fear because hes constantly cheating on her and the other has obsessive oneits. Its shows that there are much worse things than being a virgin. I think it would have been better if the Seth Rogan character had a bunch of issues with STDs or something to show that negative side of it, hes just kind of there otherwise.
The overall message of the movie to stop putting pussy on a pedestal is 100% true but the sad part is that virgins never really get this until after theyve had sex and its not THAT great.
>stop putting pussy on a pedestal is 100% true but the sad part is that virgins never really get this
Wrong, in fact a lot of adult virgins are virgins because they completely gave up and simply stop caring altogether.
A standard adult virgin should care more if he wants to change his situation, not less.
This.
Unless you're a really handsome chad, you have to pursue pussy otherwise you'll never get it
or you can just buy it. in most countries they arent expensive.
They give up because they see having sex with a woman as some sort of superhuman task.
>they see having sex with a woman as some sort of superhuman task.
to be fair it isn't a worthwhile investment. you spend all this time and energy trying to woo a girl for like 20 minutes of cardio before cooming. the moral animal goes over the resource investment that woman apply by keeping orbiters around. it makes sense like why wouldn't they take resources from men who are interested in sex when they know that those mens genetics are not worth procreating with and continuing with?
>I think it would have been better if the Seth Rogan character had a bunch of issues with STDs or something to show that negative side of it
I did a lot of fricking in my life starting at age 13 and I contracted 2 incurable STD's because of it. The problem I have now is I can't keep a gf because when the herpes sores flare up and I don't want to frick them to possibly infect them they always think I'm cheating on them with someone else.
That sucks, what's the other incurable std you have?
I got chlamydia twice but thankfully that's a nothing burger since meds remove it
Warts, but I've never had a break out. The herpes seem to show up at the worst possible times and can happen once a month for around 5 days or 6 months will go by until you see them again.
Again you have my condolences.
I find it stupid modern medicine doesn't have a cure for herpes yet.
Genital herpes? Thankfully I only got the mouth sores one, though I have some shitty skin conditions (not contagious) on my face, so I feel for you. Why not tell them right out you have it?
>Herpes
>Warts
>Chlamydia
IMAGINE being a sex haver
Incel false flag post
I think technically you could be some Chad virgin who socialises easily and confidently despite never having sex but I've never knowingly met anyone like that and it is far, far more common for late in life virgins to have a very obvious chip on their shoulder about it and interact awkwardly and childishly with others of both sexes, but especially women. Sex havers don't find women, at least ordinary run of the mill women, intimidating or infatuating like virgins do. You maybe would have been ok 60 years ago but in a modern world where women have penetrated almost every part of life they are pretty much unavoidable if you aren't a NEET.
childishly?
Virgins are often still stuck in the childish pre-puberty "girls suck!" kind of mentality, pretending as if they are not even interested in any girl while at the same time literally dreaming to get a girl.
girls do suck albeit
Yeah. You know how young teenagers are always halfway between bravado and shyness with girls? They eventually get over it from experience but if you never had that experience you're still tensing your arms whenever they bump into you so you appear muscular (or similar 'worrying whether she might find you attractive' things like fussing over your hair or putting on a brooding expression) and avoiding their eye if they look at you.
Just shyness for me. I can talk and even somewhat flirt verbally but as soon as theres an opportunity for physical contact then I just back off into permanent friendly talking zone. No bravado for me.
Regardless, you can see what I mean by childish. Kids are like that because they don't have any actual experience to base confidence on. It's either fake/naïve confidence or no confidence, depending on your personality.
Yeah. Maybe thats just a symptom on my part.
>to get experience you have to have experience or get experience with a girl who has no experience too
or you could be wrong
Why do people act like relationships and sex are the end-all-be-all of human existence?
Or you're somehow a worse person for not having a relationship
>normies would think that hitler is a better person than isaac newton because the former had a gf while the latter did not
That's just how it is, a man who can't find a partner is seen as a gigantic red flag to all of society, women especially. Yes, women would rather date a literal murderer than an adult clueless virgin.
>refuse to use dating apps because I want to meet someone naturally
>also have a non-existent social life
honestly it's my own fault. I don't blame anyone but myself
I didn't lose my virginity till I was 29 and found out I had to lie about it to not seem weird.
No, but whatever prevented you from losing your virginity at an earlier age most likely will.
This. It's kind of a chicken and egg scenario.
Let's see
Low confidence
Ugly
Social rejection
The list goes on
yeah it does. you're going to have to get really lucky and find a girl who doesn't care. it's going to be really emasculating regardless
I don't think this is possible in the west, you'd need to move somewhere more traditional like Eastern Europe where the women aren't as moronic
>Eastern Europe
anon no girl on the planet is interested in a clueless adult male virgin, especially in Eastern Europe where girl seek very masculine men
realistically you're just going to need to find the female equivalent of yourself. there are also plenty of women in the west who are decent. probably that attitude is why there are so many virgins on this site lmao
Theres no female adult equivalents to male virgins.
The closest thing would be a girl whose had sex but never been able to keep a boyfriend for longer than a few months I guess.
>it's going to be really emasculating regardless
Pride has condemned so many men to a life of virginity.
I want to kill myself.
Why?
36 next week here. I don't even fap anymore, too much stress just to keep myself alive.
Being a virgin at that age is likely a consequence and symptom of other social issues so you have to worry about those first if you want to things to change. And yes you should want them to change. Stop coping with the “only vapid normies think it’s a big deal” story. You’re just looking for excuses not to work on yourself. Having a relationship and starting a family is literally your biological imperative and you definitely will suffer if you don’t get your shit in order
>34
I don't think or worry about sex or women. All I care about is my families health.
im kinda glad my parents die when i was 18 and 28, dont have to worry about others now
inherited almost nothing, poorgay family, so ill just be a grinding incel until i blow my brains out
I'm 35 and my dad is currently dying from prionic disease, it feels surreal, never thought I'd lose my parents, as absurd as it sounds.
I’m 25, almost 26 and a virgin. I’ve only really spoken to 1 girl in my entire life (longer than 2 minutes) and she’s more of a cousin. I abhor any contact with women at this point. I simply can’t stand being in the presence of an attractive woman. It’s like I’m in some dangerous situation and I’m on edge. I don’t understand how it’s even possible for men and women to converse, have sex, or fall into a relationship. It’s like I’m watching aliens. I’m honestly scared of women, scared they’ll think I’m creepy if I look at them or make eye contact for too long, or accidental physical contact. I simply avoid them and pretend they don’t exist unless I’m forced to speak. I don’t think I’ll change at this point. I think I’ll just frick prostitutes one day when I visit Thailand.
It's not about being a virgin in and of itself. It's the fact that you've missed out on key social development milestones during adolescence that will make relationships throughout adulthood more difficult.
>Does losing your virginity at a later age really have social consequences?
I thought it was a big deal so I went to Thailand to make dating 10x easier and to frick prostitutes if I couldn't hack it and the reality is that when I lost my virginity nothing changed. The only thing I stopped caring about was being a virgin.
It's literally a meme, jerking off feels better than sex. What feels 10x better than both is cuddling.
I find sex/cuddling to be awkward in general, either my arm or leg is aching in some position or something it's fricking annoying
Yeah that's a problem however the oxytocin makes up for it
"Wanting a gf" seems so alien to me. Maybe I really have schizoid personality disorder.
I became a wizard so I started reading ya romance. It's one of the few things preventing me from offing myself. That and it would ruin my mom's life
People will think I am a cheeto eating larper who just wants to hurt peoples feelings but I swear I am telling the truth I am a 45 year old virgin this is my story:
I grew up in a basically NGMI lifestyle. Homeschooled from Age 1. Parents never allowed me to even do HS because the government was going to brainwash me. Dad basically in this Calvinist Cult so I had to memorize the entire Bible and yes I am cut penis. They brainwashed me instead lol. Honestly, growing up was pretty comfy. Although I was kinda in my dads cult, I never had to frick any pedos or him. I always heard stories about school bullies or various stresses from whatever motley crew of friends I would get moving from apartment to apartment that I didn't need to partake in. One time for some weird reason two 12 yo girls liked me and we hung out. They moved to kiss me I liked it, then they took off pants and said frick us. My brain short circuited it was too fast. I just ran away. After that I just did HS online in peace. No social life = no drugs or gangs my parents said.
I liked the life okay so did a Bachelors online next so there goes the frat life poof. Then I worked into age 30 for family business but met no woman under age 45 seriously. I broke out of my parents spell and tried Masters degree on campus with big dreams but women were brutal and smelled the Wizard on me. The most awkward conversations imaginable. Impossible to even flirt without cringe. You need to train these skills as a kid or its Impossible Mode as an adult to get laid. Did a shitty degree trying to find myself so have been working at Target trying to pay off student loans and practicing IT skills. Decided to fricking go to Germany and finally lost physical virginity last year. It freed my mind a little but still need to see what love means. I would say every convo you have is how weird it is to have no kids at 45. You will always be scary to people. its worth getting married. peace
funny enough i’ve had sex with like 15 girls in highschool and now i haven’t had sex in the 3 years since then, lost all my friends and tanked my social skills.
tldr; sex and socialization are 100% intertwined, it’s over for you anons
YA'ALL LOOK LIKE THIS
Not really. Never fat in my entire life, regularly get haircuts, extremely regular about hygiene, no glasses, don't dress like a slob either
I'm a 32-year-old, maladjusted virgin, I have a kissed a couple of girls, but I'm 100% gay and only into older, heterosexual males that would never give me the time of day, so it's more of an obsessive lusting after that from afar on my end.
>only into heterosexual males
why not just get a homosexual male, what is the difference as long as he isn't total flamer
It's not the same.
I also hate gays and being gay. And yes, I've had/currently still have thoughts of sometimes wishing I was born a female despite being an complete misogynist to boot.
Damn that’s honestly really sad, hope things go well for you and you find what you’re looking for
The whole package, huh? Life is truly unfair.
No.
t.lost mine at 28, am in my 30's, and I literally have married women chasing after me
I am 35 and this year I came very close to losing my virginity to a girl on bumble before blowing it
I am planning to visit Thailand by my 39th Birthday as a last resort
The 40 year old virgin movie existing triggers me and I dont plan to watch it till I lose my virginity hopefully before 40 years of age
How the frick do you get that old and not lose your virginity? Do you homosexuals just not try? How do you lose 25 years to not trying? What the actual frick. The second I started trying to have sex, I had sex within a few months
I just went with the "dude chill don't worry it will happen" meme and guess what, nothing ever happened
Not that anon... but yeah, I learnt a bit too late that as the dude you are supposed to make it all happen
I can understand that, but not into your thirties!!!! I wasted my entire highschool years doing that, but when I was 19 I decided I was going to try super hard to have sex, and I did
>but when I was 19 I decided I was going to try super hard to have sex
Well, I didn't. It is what it is
If you had to try really hard it doesn't count.
Ask a normal person how they met their girlfriend and they'll never say "I tried really hard until finally a girl liked me"
I’m not a normal person and I have sex more than normal people so that doesn’t concern me.
Not him and I'm 29 but it's pretty easy to never have sex, when girls keep rejecting you there's not a lot you can do about it.
Being poor meant I had to focus on trying to make money above everything else. This led me to sacrifice my social life and along with it my social skills,
I ended up being in a position where I'm neither too good at making money (its decent and I meet my necessities but nothing much to brag about). Nor am I good at social life. Trying to make up for it but I have lost a lot of time that I am unsure I can ever make up for
Im 28 but I haven't had sex in over 2 years.
It's fricking brutal dealing with this loneliness bros.
wow, 2 whole years
poor you
i never encounter females, i am like a western hikikomori with a job.
i go to work, i go home, i go to work, i go home.
i never do anything and i dont have friends.
I was with a women a few years ago who was 29, she admired to me she didn’t lose her virginity until 23. She was very pretty and fun to be around too. My best friend who’s a guy lost it at 25 to the girl he still dated to this day. It just happens late for some people, don’t get freaked out by movies and “cultural expectations”.
I lost my virginity at 35. I didn't get super powers or anything but I will be honest with you, my life did improve. There is a certain level of confidence you lack in life when you live and no woman is ever attracted to you to the point where they want to frick you. It weighs you down. You feel like an outsider to your peers. Fricking someone removes that. I disagree with the notion that a woman won't make you better. That is 100% wrong if you live your life alone. Even if you fricked a girl at 18 and never again, you still are living better than someone who never had sex ever.
I think most incel types don't really want "sex" they want intimacy, if they just want sex and can't get it then they're just genuine fricking morons and should go frick a prozzie to get it done and over with.
This. The #1 advice I get is pay for a escort. If I did that, all that I accomplished if going from an incel to a guy that is bad at sex.
As an aside a friend of mine did this, got caught in a police bust and was bawling in the cop car that he was a virgin and just wanted to get laid once and the cops took pity on him and let him go.
>I think most incel types don't really want "sex" they want intimacy
Well of course.
Prostitutes don't solve adult male virgin problems
Lost mine at 25 and I’m glad I waited. But I’m also glad I didn’t let it go on any longer
You are vastly overestimating how much people care about that shit, as if they don't have more important things to worry about. I suspect you are all underage and think your high school concerns matter to anyone or anything. I can't even imagine how pathetic someone would have to be in taking such an interest in whether or not someone is fricking or not. No respectable adult is going to act like that, you fricking children.
Keep telling yourself that.
I don't need to tell myself anything, I live in the real world.
I genuinely think I'm getting too old for this place. If you're over the age of 18 and still think this shallow, high school shit is important then I doubt your IQ is above 90.
In the real world people absolutely definitely will treat you differently if you're a lone adult man who was never in any kind of relationship
A person who casually has sex will never understand what a person who never did goes through. Sex is not a big thing when you have it all the time but is torture if you don't. It's like if you talked to someone starving in Africa. You could never relate to them because you live in a country where food is everywhere. "Lol just go to the grocery store and pay for food" is the same as "Lol just pay for a prostitute" . The fundamental issues are not resolved.
I'm 40 and a virgin and honestly can't imagine ever being with a woman. I've thought about trying dating but at some point they're gonna ask about previous relationships and once I say that I've never been in one they'll run a mile. That's if they can't smell the virginity on me.
But I'm also feeling more and more anxious about the fact I'm going to die alone. I really don't want, but see no way out.
Thanks for reading my blog guys
>I really don't want, but see no way out.
Have you considered going to Thailand Vietnam or the Phillipines and becoming a mid life crisis Sexpat?
loosing? no, but keeping it definitely
normies fear the wild unshackled man
Not really. If you're a standard wagekek nobody asks you about your sex life. In fact most jobs I've worked nobody talks to each other period anymore and outside of work I don't really engage with people anymore
Yup, I think it also depends where you're working, I used to work retail where ppl constantly spoke about sex and I always had to avoid my colleagues when they spoke about it.
Now I've been working at an office for years nobody talks in a vulgar way, occasionally someone may mention their girlfriend or boyfriend but it doesn't happen often.
I'll be a 31 year old virgin this year but I'm a grand master coomer so all is fine
How many Tenga eggs or sex toys do you own Grand Master Coomer?
0 I'm all hand baby though I due abuse alcohol and drugs to increase the coom experience. A pocket pussy is definitely in my future.
My favourite cope is always along the line of "dude i dont need relationships i have muh hobbies i am soooooo busy" while they hang out in incel threads and post for hours about how they're above women, sex and relationships.
Just hilarious
Like you're doing right now?