Does scrooge really deserve his wealth or did he make it by taking advantage of other people?
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Does scrooge really deserve his wealth or did he make it by taking advantage of other people?
Does scrooge really deserve his wealth or did he make it by taking advantage of other people?
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Dont care post dimeshipping
dick duck
BZZZT! The correct answer is Magicstone.
Magistone requires changing Gladstone so much he's not the same character. At least Dimeshipping can last on hatefricking
>Magistone requires changing Gladstone so much he's not the same character.
Spurning Magica's advances is too much like work. There, now it's in character.
Yeh frick this shit
Also both Dimeshipping and Magicstone us cute
Frick the tumblr duck shipping blooded
Bloodfueds sorry
Frick their duck shipping American duck shipping bloodfueds
No one knows what the frick you're talking about
Dating is a lot more work these days
He made it through prostituting himself and Donald
The latter. There's an entire chapter about it.
Sorry sweetie that's racism and is now banned even though the whole point is Scrooge fricked up
What’s even more problematic is one of Disney’s marketable IP characters being seen in a morally bad light that might affect his merchandise sales so sorry Scrooge can only be the kind-hearted funny sarcastic man who happened to get some money for his heroic actions
>racism
no one cares about europeans.
He gets most of his money from adventuring and then investing it into wise businesses. All of his initial capital is pure, or at least as pure as graverobbing and mineral extraction can be.
>graverobbing
Right. As far as "deserving" the money ckmes from. Other people worked hard to collect and refine the gold, and more to turn it into valuable things. The culture that was important enough to give the treasure historical significance. Scrooge just picked it up and took it.
The seed capital came from the Klondike and oil, at least, so he didn't do anything too bad until he became giga rich. Plus that was before people thought taking those treasures might've been disrespectful.
>grave robbing
Not like those dead bozos needed the gold, and why should I care about their fake gods when their curses don't even work?
>mineral extraction
See, now that could go to bad places.
In real life, people in the area often weren’t happy with invaders taking their resources, land, cultural treasures, and other shit. In terms of the comics when Scrooge was adventuring, frankly, they weren’t thinking about that, and you weren’t supposed to, either.
I think the morality of it is kind of irrelevant, unless you really want to tell a story about colonialism or something. Yes, having him in a present day reboot go around scamming indigenous people and looting their land and cemeteries is not going to go over well. But do we have to turn this into a lecture about why imperialism is bad? I’m not even saying that cannot be done, but I don’t really see the point of taking this cartoon character and making it into a soapbox for something so obvious instead of just admitting that it’s not cool to hand wave that shit away anymore because of the real life implications. Why even have cartoons if they all have to be so damn literal and reckon with the horrible implications of their gags and fantasy adventures every five years or so? Why not just make nothing but nonfiction documentaries lectures for everyone at that point?
>wE've MoVEd oN!!
Well okay, but what’s your solution if we don’t just change it so that Scrooge McDuck doesn’t pull that outdated and horrible bullshit anymore? We could permanently retire and “cancel” the character instead like Pepe le Pew, I guess.
Ducktales 2017 already pulled it off
Badly.
https://bookriot.com/new-ducktales-old-colonialism/
This review, which suggests that the reboot did a lot better than the old comics but still had things to work on, says it DO do it by reworking this franchise and taking out a lot of the racism (but not enough).
Meanwhile, it says the attempt to have to characters say they’re all vewyvewysowy about all of the racism in the BOOM! comics and move on was some offensive bullshit and I do kind of agree. Having Mickey Mouse say “oopsie I’m sorry I committed genocide” and then just moving right along seems, with all due respect to the BOOM! writers who were doing there best, kind of silly or at least likely not to work for people who do give a shit about this. It’s like having Bugs Bunny talking about how he doesn’t want to genocide Japs most of the time anymore in Looney Tunes Babies so it’s all okay now. What the frick are you even trying to do? Who are you trying to actually appeal to?
The fact that there is a significant portion of the population who are obsessed with getting fictional cartoon animals to atone for their past sins is the clearest indication that the human race is a complete failure and we need to start over.
How dare you suggest that the Looney Tunes and Donald Duck don’t need to apologize and be executed for being Domestic Abusers?
I’m not kidding, either. I have come across this exact argument unironically a lot in the past few years.
Bruh
>Of course, it’s far from perfect. There’s still only one girl (Webby) and one adult woman (Mrs. Beakley) out of a core cast of seven
Is this a shitpost?
If you're having Ducktales you need Scrooge, HDL at minimum. Then Launchpad if show specific and Donald if otherwise (and for this show they balanced making Donald a sort of main by making Della a sort of main). Where Webby and Beakley are also show-specific
What are they supposed to do? Genderbend Huey and Louie? Make Daisy and Gandra mains for no other reason for having a clit? You can't change that the core four to six are guys
it's because she is a liberal feminist and is afraid of admitting that Webby and Beakly are both female characters with masculine traits and that it's offputting that the only real feminine female in the show is Daisy.
It’s not a shitpost article obviously though, Ducktales is inherently sexist.
I know this is a shitpost response but you didn't answer the question
Carl Barks already changed the way he did the character. That was super early and Scrooge wasn't even a major character in the story; it was a Donald story.
Rosa's story "Empire-builder of Calistoa" did it just by making it inherently clear that what he did here
was wrong and is the first step in which he is alienated from his family and becomes a recluse him. Ironic that this is one of the stories that Disney decided to ban just because of Bombie
>censored reprint
It’s not just Scrooge who was racist in those old stories though, it was Donald and most of the other characters at times in this really old shit because PEOPLE were racist back then including the animators and writers. To what extent do old cartoon characters like Mickey, Daisy, Minnie, Donald, Goody, etc. need to re-exhibit being evil bigots to children so they can what? Apologize to them? Or be punished? At this point, shouldn’t we just abandon all of these old cartoons every decade or so instead as we socially progress past shitty old values?
I don’t have the answers, it just doesn’t take too long before old shows and cartoons are doing and saying awful shit and we get better.
Is this the one where Bombie causes the Titanic disaster?
so is modern Scrooge a good guy now?
He doesn't do unethical shit and treats his workers fairly, but he's an butthole?
>modern
This was in the '50s, anon. Maybe the late '40s even I'm not going to check.
Scrooge started out as a straight take on an unscrupulous billionaire, but was retroactively softened very lightly on the edges when he became the star.
He insists that people work as hard as he did when he was struggling and suffering for his first strike (tougher than the toughies), but he'll still try to connive a way to get around the ugly part where he has to actually give the money out (smarter than the smarties).
What the frick is that ear?
The solution is to stop being a moron who cares about this shit. It's a cartoon duck who swims in a money lake in his basement.
das rite!I want reperations for the viking raids!
He is literally told in the comic that his actions are fricking awful by everyone around as he is doing it
Yeah, he went through a lot of jobs and work constantly even on his free time, after realizing it wans't enough to get rich he decided to go on very dangerous but well paid jobs such as exploring then after saving enough from those he started his own business while also investing in stocks and real state.
He did pretty much everything you expect a person to do to get rich but being an inventor.
I mean, dead people aren't people any more. The idea of things still 'belonging' to them is fricking stupid. What are they going to do, haunt Scrooge for being too greed.. wait hold on
Didnt he like find it buried in the dirt?
he's a scam artist. when I was a kid I remember reading a comic about a Scrooge going to Egypt and buying loads of fake artifacts and statues for like 10 cents each at the airport and then reselling them in Duckburg for thousands as the real deal. even as a kid I knew it was fricked up.
He's much worse in Italian comics, ESPECIALLY the older ones.
You say that like a bad thing. Feels like Scroofe is lionised these days that his roots as the Carol Scrooge are forgot.
no, no, it's a good thing.
I mean, everybody was a c**t in older Italian Duck comics(thanks Martina!).
but Scrooge being a businessman(read: a barely legal crook) was fun especially because he used to lose whenever he gave in being too much of a bastard.
Karma is a nice storytelling system
Ebenezer Scrooge was not a villain because he was a rich businessman (in fact, in the story he wasn't; he was pretty solidly middle-class). He was a villain because he was a miser who had no regard for the welfare of his fellow man.
Likewise, Scrooge McDuck is not a villain for being the world's richest businessduck. To the extent that he is a villain, it's because he's a miserly old geezer who refuses to make room in his heart for his family. That's why your typical Uncle Scrooge story has his nephew Donald or Huey, Louie and Dewey having to remind him of his humanity.
that's not scamming. that is being a merchant. taking goods from a place where they are not wanted (cheap) and taking them t oa place where they are wanted (expensive)
selling fake items as real its an scam anywhere in the world
They are really Egyptian, tho. Where's the lie? Caveat Emptor, oy
are you chinese or indian ?
neither. I'll give you a hint, it starts with a "j".
That's just real life. People b***h about muh British Museum but poor's were hocking mummies feet in the open market for pennies where it would get taken somewhere civilized and have its actual value show
>poor's were hocking mummies feet in the open market for pennies where it would get taken somewhere civilized and have its actual value show
Not even that
Mummies would be ground up into a powder and sold as a pigment
I think those are one of those more out of character moments where the writer does not know much about the character, you know like when the writer thinks Batman punch can hurt Wonder Woman because they have no idea how strong she is
He did that in the 80s cartoon too. He would buy up crap in local marketplaces and then resell them as priceless antiques in Duckberg.
In the original incarnation, which was in the comics, Scrooge was a villain. His money came from a Congolese rubber plantation. While he was based on Andrew Carnagie, a capitalist baron of the gilded age who killed a shit load of people, his business model was the King Leopold II model.
While the French and Belgians did give Belgium it's freedom on paper, in practise they were ran as puppet states with a currency pegged to the Franc, and with standard granted banking and shipping monopolies. America and Britain did the same thing to a certain middle eastern country that starts with the letter I-.
Workers were essentially slaves, and punishment for low production (even natural consiquences), resulted in hand removal. So inter-tribal rubber gum theft, beatings, home burnings etc. were done in order to avoid the industrial strength punishments. An African might steal his neighbors rubber so his own daughter didn't lose her hands to a Belgian machete.
It was only later that Scrooges income was reconned into the American dream bullshit.
>we'll never get Glomgold's life story of making bank off real life atrocities
Legit would be an interesting comic book, if anyone has the gits to do it in a Don Rosa style epic.
>While he was based on Andrew Carnagie, a capitalist baron of the gilded age who killed a shit load of people
I am going to require proof, sounds like J.P. Morgan propaganda.
This is literally all made up. Scrooge in the original comics was a Klondike miner, had nothing to do with the Congo, and the atrocity stories are a bunch of bullshit made up in the 90s by confusing several different events into anti-colonialist propaganda.
>This is literally all made up. Scrooge in the original comics was a Klondike miner, had nothing to do with the Congo, and the atrocity stories are a bunch of bullshit made up in the 90s by confusing several different events into anti-colonialist propaganda.
It was established in the Carl Barks story Voodoo Hoodoo, which I believe preceded the Klondike story by a few years
This is some really racist shit but damn there was a lot of really racist bullshit in comics and cartoons in general.
Everyone always thinks someone else is a ferocious savage.
People used to believe there were small creatures living in the moon, this wasn't that long ago
If you actually believe in creatures living on the moon and you are told about this strange new land were coal people ride on top of living mountains with long tentacles on their face and long white fangs and you believe it because there is no google or anything like that you can check you get a free motherfricking pass for racism
How is this racist when Africa is still the continent with the most slavery, cannibalism, and religiousness?
how do you know that albino flesh doesn't give you superpowers?
all I'm saying that if i had the opportunity to tuck in some albino flesh... well, when in rome.
What about china and the Muslim nations
The funniest part of this comic is Donald telling the voodoo chief that his people deserved what happened to them.
>his business model was the King Leopold II model
Scrooge was never a cannibal though?
>mfw
>dude, when you told me to come and give you a hand in your plantation I never thought things would turn this way, totally not cool.
The Congo Free State was legally Leopold II's private property and completely unsupervised by the belgian state. And it wasn't just belgians operating in Congo, Leopold's business partners were from all over the western world. The belgian government didn't assume control over the territory until Leopold got busted for what were recognised as horrible crimes even at the time, but you can blame Belgium for allowing the preceding arrangement to exist in the first place and for holding Congo as a colony afterwards.
Indiana!
The comic doesn't go into the sordid side of Scrooge much, but the truth is that all wealth is based on randomly getting lucky and you didn't deserve it no matter how you got it.
Didn't scrooge trade a mirror for an entire gold mine to a tribe of savages?
read "the life and times of scrooge" you phillistines
where?
readcomicsonline
>people on the comics board don't know where to pirate comics
grim.
>"hurr read duck comics"
>people ask where to read them
>decides to seethe in pain and agony
grim
>Does Scrooge earn his wealth himself or did he make it by taking advantage of other people?
he did a little bit of both
no one deserves to have a billion dollars
no one deserves to have 100 dollars
no one deserves to be alive, this whole thread is moronic
making and acquiring a billion dollars is a noble and lauded goal and everyone who is able to do so deserves it.
inheriting a billion dollars is an entirely different matter however.
new money > old money
Agreed. Inheritance should be outlawed.
>huh? why are no one working hard anymore? it's almost as if removing the benefits to the survival of your genes from your hard work has removed any will to work hard!? Well, at least my petty jealousy is sated!
>removing the benefits to the survival of your genes from your hard work
there are billions of poor folks who do just fine ensuring the survival of their genes without giving millions or billions of dollars to their progeny.
plus plenty of people work hard without entertaining the notion of giving millions or billions to their kids.
of course we can't forget people who don't have kids at all, period.
>Of course we can't forget people who don't have kids at all, period.
Like Scrooge
>all wealth belongs to the government
Frick off.
nothing wrong inheriting a fortune. But people who are old money or nepo-babies who boast about being successful or self-made or say that entitlements or welfare should be cut off for the poor are absolutely disgusting hypocrites.
The government spending other peoples' money is not the same as being given money by choice by your father.
This. Meritocracy can never be a thing if a child and his development will benefit from his forbears sweat. A smart hungry child will not win against a idiot nepo abby
nepo babies tend to lose the family fortunes anyways
And still they tend to do better than those born poor, who never got the proper nutrition to grow or afford good schools. Of course there will be exceptions but they are called exceptions for that reason.
yeah...that's the point of leaving money for your kids. to ensure the survival of your genes
If you don't want us to earn for our inheritors, you can at least go all the way and say you want government controlled slave economy.
in such a system the rich would just put all their money in the bahamas or some shit so the government couldnt touch it when they died.
as usual, such a policy would only serve to keep the middle class down
All to bring back feudalism under a new name. You can bet nobody in the gov is going to keep their children on the same starting position as the masses. How else can they ensure to keep their political dynasties?
I'm not opposed to forced sterilization of politicians
An idiot billionaire has literally reached the bottom in his sub for his stupidity
Class mobility is a thing and we have stats on it. Trust fund kids squadron their fortunes, which is why they become commie activists
You morons think it's all about money and it's all about who gets the most money
If it was just about money then unless you are unfortunate Enough to be born genetically screwed there is no reason for you not being able to become a doctor or a lawyer or even an engineer through hard work alone even tho it may take you a couple extra years
Abuse and neglect are way more damaging than poverty, yes they often come hand in hand but even kids born into wealth will throw their lives away if they grow up being abused in that way
Of course that's not an easy problem to fix so we will keep pretending it doesn't exist
t. IRS
frick you commie mutant
People that are billionaires disagree.
I do actually.
Anyone who hates Scrooge is a goddamn commie
"Aid to the Lazy" lady has huge breasts.
Western homies who never seen the work conditions in countries without worker's rights are so clueless
Scrooge deserves that billion only if he lets me frick his duck ass
POW! Right in the shitter.
It depends on the story and the writer, but overall there seem to be very few examples of him being outright dishonest or exploitative (to the point that Don Rosa could make it a plot point that there was one time in his history when he broke his rule and it nearly ruined his life).
The original Scrooge, while not as rich, is the model: he's not portrayed as making his money dishonestly, he just pays his workers the minimum he can get away with paying them and gives them the minimum time off. McDuck isn't as bad but he believes in always getting the best deal he can and paying Donald as little as he can.
>there seem to be very few examples of him being outright dishonest or exploitative
I see you are not familiar with the Italian comics....
Any wealth you have is deserved, no matter how you got it. The concept of "deserved" was made by lazy and stupid people who never had anything.
His staff works hard, does a good job but he pays them an extremely low wage, Scrooge is a greedy selfish prick
He earned it fair and square. Whether he deserves it is a nebulous concept. Who deserves anything and why? But he clearly earned it
>Does scrooge really deserve his wealth
yeah, because he made it square.
Those coins are clearly round.
the dice are square though
Scrooge is a fictional cartoon character who lives in a fantastic world where ducks are people and magic is real. Him being a truly self made millionaire who earned every penny he ever made is just another part of that fantasy.
>They say that wealthy people like the Vanderbilts and Rockefellers are sinful because they accumulated fortunes by exploiting the poor. I feel that everybody should be able to rise as high as they can or want to, provided they don't kill anybody or actually oppress other people on the way up. A little exploitation is something you come by in nature. We see it in the pecking order of animals—everybody has to be exploited or to exploit someone else to a certain extent. I don't resent those things.
>Exploitation is right, abuse and murder aren't
Funny how you get to make the rules then no justification is needed only circular logic, it's bad because it's bad and it's good because it's good and there is that
Exploitation is normal in the animal kingdom but so is abuse and murder you dipshit
As always, the "civilized" seek to excuse their sins by inserting conceptual distance between their actions and the effects of them, while demonizing anyone who lacks the means to play their game.
>It's okay to wreck the lives of millions as long as you do it the proper way, by rigging the system so that all their efforts work for your benefit while they barely make enough to survive.
>Oh, but if you steal even a single loaf of bread, you're totally irredeemable and should be thrown in jail to rot.
>Never mind all the suffering that results from my actions. That's unfortunate, sure but it's not my fault! I'm not the one screwing you over! It's the system (which I set up)!
>Civilization is le bad
Rousseau moment
Human beings are the only creatures stupid enough to believe in morality
it exists. it's just "things I like" vs. "things I don't like"
Check how fast we have reached the stars comparing to the era of dinosaurs, maybe you just don't get it what makes us smart and why Europe developed 90% of inventions since 15th century.
Hint: when most of your populace doesn't die before reaching 15 years old, you increase your chances to get some bright people
Which star did we reach?
Dude, innovation comes from the ability to exchange ideas back and forth. It has nothing to do with “most people dying before they’re 15” which isn’t a thing in even the most primitive tribe on the face of the planet.
Bright people only get to show their brightness with an exchange of ideas and even the brightest people can get hung up on the simplest things.
I didn't say civilization is bad. I'm only pointing out that the self-professed "civilized folk" will people by the thousands and rationalize away any and all responsibility for the consequences of their actions, evn when they cause orders of magnitude more suffering than petty thieves. In essence, it's about the difference between white-collar and blue-collar crime, and how white-collar crime receives less attention.
>will people by the thousands
will impoverish and enslave people by the thousands
It's people's fault for buying into it and double fault because when they try to break free they only create worse alternatives like socialism and communism were they get even less freedom
The truth is exploitation, abuse, murder and anything else is good because good is a meaningless word, if people stopped trying to be good and stopped giving a shit we could all live in a fair world were nobody is safe no matter how rich they are
You know what? You whole idea is a bunch of fricking bullshit that does excuse Stalin and Mao’s bullshit the second that they frick you over, is the whole problem. I mean.
I would actually advocate their “dictatorship of the proletariat” in a millisecond if I saw the world your way, because they would just shoot all of you in the fricking head and keep shooting the world “forward” like the huge “leap” the U.S.S.R. and China really had under these buttholeS.
The thing is that the MERCY of some decided that was not “okay” because it IS evil. Why do you think that you are more successful without the mercy of the masses to murder and progress? You are a fool.
You didn't even read my post
Op here, the question was if scrooge deserves his money as in made it square or if he took advantage of others in order to make it in an unethical way, the question was never if he or anyone deserves to be rich or not you autistic morons
>as in made it square or if he took advantage of others in order to make it in an unethical way
An entirely subjective question that you will never get a definitive answer to, because there are literal morons in the world who will argue that owning property at all in any circumstance is unethical and exploitative. It was a moronic question from the get-go.
Using the word "deserve" is your mistake here. None of us deserve more than death and judgment; anything better is just by pure grace. No one is in a position to say whether Scrooge "deserves" his money anymore than we are in a position to say we deserve what we have.
>another thread of americans acting like Don Rosa is the only canon
the funny thing is, Rosa himself hates that
It makes sense because Rosa is the second most popular duck artist both in and outside the US. If you prefer another artist's interpretation, feel free to post it
Okay, who outside of Barks and Rosa are there? How do other countries besides America deal with this issue?
No I am honestly curious how you deal with all of the racism and imperialism discourse. Or is that an American thing.
I can’t talk to an American without hearing how American and racist and imperialist the Duck Comics are at one point or another these days.
Well, I'm sure Rosa didn't intend to set himself up that way, but by turning out stories where the Barks stories and only the Barks stories matter (except, weirdly, the Three Caballeros) he did a lot to create the idea that the only canon is a) Barks, and b) stories that are based directly on Barks.
I agree there's a literal world of other stuff out there, but since Barks's legend is as the "Good Duck Artist" whose work overshadowed all the rest, it's kind of understandable it worked out that way, at least for Americans.
I always liked Gutenbergus group, but could never find out who exactly that was comprised of. honestly some of the best art imo. never that big of a fan of Bark's stuff, but it's fine I guess.
Barks disliked Rosa's direct continuations of his work too, and seemed much to prefer the looser sense of canon employed by others.
>Rosa sticks super hard to "Scrooge is the last McDuck" and has no brothers
>Barks favorite 'heir' William van Horn created Scrooge's older half-brother Rumpus McFowl
>Scrooge's little brother Gideon McDuck was created by Romano Scarpa, the influential artist/writer that Barks had very good ties to(Scarpa considering himself Barks' apprentice)
>Scrooge's older half-brother Rumpus McFowl
GLOOM
Yep!
No wonder Scrooge doesn't like talking about him.
>Barks disliked Rosa's direct continuations of his work
Source? I’m always seeeing contrary statements about this
Not a source, just another anon speaking from memory, but IIRC Barks got along fine with Rosa but in a late 90s interview had a bit of a "I just don't get the point of what he did" attitude
https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/1994-December/003332.html
>This is to clear up possible confusion in the German media. I stated that I don't like my work rewritten or see a reason for it.
>This includes sequels and the recent history of Scrooge.
> Although Rosas' work is not my personal preference, I defen the right for it to be printed.On the contrary, if they sell, more should be printed.The point I made was that I don't care for that "style". As stated, I
prefer works of artists such as Daan Jippes and William Van Horn who
have a look and style on model, on character and in the Disney
tradition.
Barks himself. He didn't really get on with Rosa or his work.
The recent history is "The Life and Times."
This is fricking depressing as hell, imagine being fricking Don Rosa.
>carl barks was a defener
amazing
>Barks at a convention with a "No, this is not Don Rosa" sign
lol
>Inheritance should be outlawed
based alert
>imagining Barks at a convention with a "No, this is not Don Rosa" sign
RIP
>bro you didn't draw on model your art looks shit
Why did Don Rosa idolize Barks so much?
With all due respect to Rosa, I like his comics and everything I've seen indicates that he's actually a really nice guy even if he is a bit of an autist, he is very much an instance of a superfan getting to canonise his fanfiction of Barks' stories. I can kinda see why that might rub Barks the wrong way.
Oh no, I can totally get how fricking deranged it must be but like
>create a seminal piece of comic book media that is heralded as a classic of the medium
>bro i dont get it why do you give a shit about my works or why youre trying to create a timeline
Like, it's funny that like everyone but Barks like gets the life and times of Scrooge McDuck. I guess it is a meeting your heroes thing.
It’s basically the same with Ducktales 2017, where only the purtists hate a otherwise universally praised show because it’s makes a different set canon
Rosa does to that what Barks did to Rosa’s works
>where only the purtists hate a otherwise universally praised show
You drones and your endless supply of entertainment
but I don't hate it for being non-canon, I hate it for being a smug overwritten overblown show that's too convinced of how clever and subversive it is
Frick off, Ducktales 2017 is shit, it's vastly inferior to Don Rosa' Life and Times in every single way. Just another instance of moronic millenials simplifying a fricking cartoon because they're worried about "the message", so they turned Scrooge into this nice billionaire cool dude who never did anything wrong in his life. They didn't even keep Bombie's backstory intact. S.
imagine being this fricking deluded
the sheer fricking audacity to claim the same amount of work, love, and respect went into both things.
I don't understand his point about "a look and style on model, on character and in the Disney
tradition."
>Barks was a Dutchaboo
He probably just didn't like Rosa's lack of Dutch stories
Anyone who has more than a million dollars didn't earn their 'wealth' by definition, they stole the labor of the working class.
Scrooge is meant to be an outlandish, goofy cartoon/comic character. The idea of "fair and square" billionaire wealth is non-existent. Even Scrooge's worse side isn't nearly as bad as modern billionaires who don't play fair and square and will sent hit moles and mobs against whoever their rival is instead of goofy pogo-sticking on them
>The idea of "fair and square" billionaire wealth is non-existent.
The idea of any "fair and square" wealth is bullshit, because no matter how much or how little you have there will always ALWAYS be someone who thinks you didn't get it fairly and that you don't deserve it. Fairness is subjective, and anyone who pretends otherwise is hopelessly moronic.
Get bent.
IDW just reprinted the Topolino issues that explain how Scrooge made money, like inventing popcorn and movies and being lucky to strike gold etc.
>Soldati
Doesn't that mean "soldier" in Italian? That's a badass name
soldierS. but yes
It's fiction, so I buy that he made it honestly. In real life, a person could only realistically make a couple million through sheer hard work and dedication, but Scrooge McDuck fights mummies and has robots so I don't care about realism.
Scrooge did typical colonizer looting shit which is what people outside of here who are angry about Duck comics and Ducktales and usually focus on. I think that theories of economics and Marxism and capitalism are frankly thinking too hard about it.
I don’t defend any about it and outside of this website’s neo-Nazis I just don’t think there is any point or any chance of normal people going “racist imperialism = GOOD.” I just don’t see any point of revisiting that instead pointing f just changing these characters for children to not be racist anymore. People here who think they’re going to make pro neo-Nazi cartoons any time soon are fricking idiots, the alternative would instead be to just get rid of these characters completely.
>Cinemaphile is full of neo Nazis
>Yet I still choose to go to Cinemaphile when multiple alternatives exist
What does that say about you pal?
I can understand why that guy stays, same reason as me (I hate nazis too): this place is more comfortable and has better overview. More conducive to conversation.
And blowing nazis the frick out is always fun.
Yet you complain about /misc/ ruining Cinemaphile when you are just a Twitter refugee looking to constantly start a fight with another name
nazis are hysterical idiots and therefore amusing
>We need to make cartoon characters pay for the adventures they had in comic books made in the Atomic Age.
Shiggiest diggy imaginable.
The intention was to streamline all of the Barks stories into one logical timeline, not to make Scrooge pay solely.
>Does scrooge really deserve his wealth or did he make it by taking advantage of other people?
Scrooge exploits even his own nephew, what do you think?
you don't make a fantazillion dollars by being nice. even if he made his initial money by striking it big with gold, growing that capital is inherently exploitative since labour is the sole source of value. while Scrooge sits on his ass, thousands if not millions labour to fill his vault. when the time comes, they will make no excuses for the terror
Labor has never been a source of value, it was always what people willing to pay for things, which is often subjective. Economy is about human behavior, stop drinking the Marxist "scientific" kool-aid.
brb imma tell the tax man I don't have to pay VAT because surplus value doesn't exist
VAT is a scam levied exclusively in countries populated by morons
t. lives in a country with an even more moronic sales tax
>pay tax on an item once, when it's sold
>more moronic than paying taxes on an item every time anyone does anything to it, paying like 1000% more tax in the form of price increases to offset for VAT costs
>t. moron
you have no idea how VAT works
Then explain it to me like I have your IQ
VAT only applies to the difference in price at each step, not the whole amount every time. for the consumer there is no difference. for businesses VAT just flows in and out. when I invoice my clients I get VAT from them, and I can write off some of that VAT on purchases my company makes while the remainder goes to the tax man. the purpose of this is to prevent an "unfair advantage" to be had from vertical integration (a petty bourgeois concern). but it is also of relevance when it comes to import/export
>taxes are assessed at every stage of production, requiring each involved entity to pick up additional admin costs to track and pay VAT
>that additional cost is not passed on to the consumer of course, why would it be?
better yet, liberals:
>commodities don't have an underlying value
also liberals:
>a stock can be over- or undervalued
>Scrooge exploits even his own nephew, what do you think?
Ins't that more about Donald being extremely bad at his job? Afair he only hire and refuse to fire him because his youngest sister that is Donald mother was extremely close to him ever since she was born to the point her first word was his name.
Scrooge has him fricking burning down an african village just so he could trick them into selling what they owned and has his family literally comment it was the darkest day in their families history. He gets literally cursed for decades by a zombie who follows him around like the albatross around his neck and also alienates his family for decades till Donald and the triplets eventually pay his sorry ass a visit in his big old mansion.
He was very honest and hard working in the beginning but grew miserly and arrogant in his middle age with him essentially ruining every relationship he had in pursuit of wealth and fortune.
Like Don Rosa makes it very clear that as Scrooge got old his pursuit of money and wealth ruined him as a person.
It also makes it clear he's the one in the wrong for fricking with Foola Zoola and showing him and his tribe disrespect to both his culture and his customs.
voodoo chief is pretty cool
The interesting thing is that Foola Zoola doesn't even look like a dogface, its just straight black man.
Yeah, the impact would be lessened otherwise. Also Foola Zoola's old design was like actual black caricature in the original carl barks stories.
He was redrawn to look less over the top in the rereleases and the Rosa stories.
Like the take away of the Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck is that making a fortune and name for yourself is nothing inherently wrong especially when you're helping your family and meeting new friends. But that Scrooge's downfall was letting his wealth and possessions posses him instead rather than what really mattered to him
it's great in the last story, the templar treasure, where scrooge reconciles with his sister and tells her that Donald and the boys basically saved his soul
Genuinely its kinda funny how like Donald never took Scrooge's shit even as a kid. He's one of a handful of people who doesn't back down to his uncle and that's fricking great.
I do not believe you're able to accrue so much wealth without fricking people over in some capacity.
Yeah, and I don't believe ducks can talk either!
https://www.cbr.com/disney-banning-offensive-uncle-scrooge-dan-rosa/
Scrooge deserves my wiener in his ass
Scrooge larping as Scottish or a “Scottish-American” is cringe
Bro you lived in America for at least 75 years in each adaption you are just an American now
Even if he did make it square; nobody deserves to have so much money for any reason.
ok, commie
>noooo you can't rob the tombarino
if those c**ts wanted their treasure they shouldn't have died
Marxists ruin yet another thread and yet another cartoon with their fricking moralizing, what a goddamn surprise. It must be fricking Wednesday. At least cancel Scrooge for being racist not this “down with the bourgeois” bullshit.
>Does scrooge really deserve his wealth
No because he made it by selling Opium from China disguised as oranges
Comic Scrooge got rich by exploiting native Africans with a rubber tree farm, that he later discovered diamonds on.
Cartoon Scrooge discovered gold in Alaska.
2017 Scrooge kept starting up businesses when his get rich quick schemes failed, and he got rich just living for a century on CEO income.
>Cartoon Scrooge discovered gold in Alaska.
He did in the comics too -- and owned rubber plantations. Read Barks
The answer only matters if it can be used to tell an engaging story.
Yes
War profiteer
Jesus fricking Christ guys. This a cartoon duck made like, 80/70
years ago. Why you all like this?
WHERE DO YOU THINK WE FRICKING ARE?