Not technically, but holding off a supposed superpower for 4 months while inflicting devastating losses on them overshadows whatever meager gains Russia gets
It’s a Finland vs USSR situation. Though just as with the winter war it’s More the Russians are incompetent jokes
Them losing Donbas was a foregone conclusion even before the war had started. I'm not even sure why they wanted it in the first place. They should have handed over all Russian majority areas
they're getting Donbass and maybe thew southern terriories which they got like day 1 into war without a fight at best
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes? Wouldn't it be easier to just lose Donbass? And not have Odessa as your sole Black Sea port now while you beg for what amounts to a literal second army?
Since I haven't been dragged to they frontline yet I think we're not in a very bad situation yet.. However the Iskander strikes are getting annoying and mess with my sleep schedule
I barely hear the sirens here but do hear missile strikes since the last week there were a few in about 5km from me. I just hope our AA guys won't shoot one down above my commieblock.
That's why I'm saying at least 50k, the real number is closer to 60k. Russian and DPR losses are open and are more or less correct with a hundred-two more or less. LPR losses are classified and may be bigger.
very trustworthy
all numbers are bullshit, especially the delusional 50k to 2k
if you judge by the actual way the war is porogressing it's pretty clear that the losses are pretty much equal, the party that attacks always loses more, but the holdout is obviously not very successfull meaning the defending party is also losing numbers close to the attacking party, which is indeed not a good situation for them
2 years ago
Anonymous
The total Russian contingent in Ukraine is 200k, that includes the logistics personnel, reserves and everyone else. The total number of fighting men on the frontlines is 60-70k. If Russia lost even 10% - 20k -of their contingent, they would lose strategical initiative and wouldn't be able to perform offensives and maneuvers.
>open
By whom? The source is the Russian government? Very trustworhy. If the losses were truly of thjat rate Russians wouldn't be stumbling around a small city for like two weeks already and not getting any general progress on the Donbass front.
And I am not saying they won't take it, I'm saying if they have so many forces and are barely losing any why the frick is the offensive so slow then?
The offensive is slow because Russia is utilising the Syrian strategy - slow, methodical extermination of Ukrainian military potential. The Donbass front is a grinder, Ukraine loses a hundred soldiers a day and is slowly getting caught into pockets while Russian losses are minimal. There is no need to rush, it's not a speed contest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm honestly amazed that Ukraine front hasn't collapsed so far. I'm doubting I have any idea about the war at this point. Like, I was anticipating a total collapse two weeks ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ukrainian territorial defense is holding the frontlines, they're transferring hundreds of thousands of them to Donbass from all over Ukraine because Donbass was heavily fortified over 8 years after the civil war. When Donbass is taken, by August presumably, Ukraine will have no lines of defense anymore, apart from cities, of course.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the civil war
2 years ago
Anonymous
the northern front wasn't protected by Donbass and it managed to hold on >inb4 feint
This is such a cope it's unreal, the faint did nothing, Donbass offensive is still slow as frick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The feint was apparently so effective most still don't believe it happened. > >inb4
The Gostomel-Bucha-Irpen contingent was 20k. You don't surround the capital with 20k soldiers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You do know that when you grind onto a force with almost equal numbers from the start, also fairly decently armed, you'd be losing so much that the grinding would prove useless at a point where you won't have enough forces to hold what you have and keep attacking? It's much different than fightning a bunch of sandBlack folk.
Also they always talk about muh cauldrons, muh pockets and yet to close a single one, and the size of the promised pockets only get slower. There's really only a risk of pocket in that city on Donbass they're trying to get into. They blew up the closest bridges I think, so the situation for retreat became difficult.
The total Russian contingent in Ukraine is 200k, that includes the logistics personnel, reserves and everyone else. The total number of fighting men on the frontlines is 60-70k. If Russia lost even 10% - 20k -of their contingent, they would lose strategical initiative and wouldn't be able to perform offensives and maneuvers.
They have way more than 200k as they've been withdrawing forces from all over the place after the initial attack (which did have 200k) plus there are LPR / DPR forces.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You forget that Ukrainian ammo and fuel depots are getting bombed behind the frontlines every day, as does western weaponry. Ukraine is starved in fuel and artillery shells already, that's why they throw so much disinfo in western media in hopes to gain attention and receive more weapons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ukraine is starved in fuel and artillery shells already >that's why they throw so much disinfo
But then this disinfo is truth
2 years ago
Anonymous
This sounds like massive cope again, Russia constantly claims to have destroyed like half an army and almost all the weaponry yet the frontline still holds on. If the damage is to this extent then there's no way the holdout would be possible.
Run on Kiev did fail, but it seems that Putin's economic backing for this war was sound, and that west botched the entire "cancel Russia" deal. It also seems that the war is going fine now and that Ukraine will completely lose its army. And Odessa (I expect siege of Odessa before the end of summer).
>corruption schemes in Ukraine
everyone was doing that, but America thoroughly prepped that country for a conflict that doesn't seem to be going according to plan (for the west).
What plan? The west told israelitelensky to flee day one, surprised he didn't and there were no weapon gibs untill like week into the war because everyone expected Kiev to fall.
It's really not that important, the war is just a way to get votes. They'll twist almost any outcome into a win and will pat themselves in the back. You're overblowing how much this war will harm them.
Muh siege of Odessa sounds like a wet dream. By now every big city is heavily fortified. Mariupol had half the population and barely any fortification and it still took more than a month to take it. While the city was surrounded from all sides.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thing with Russian forces is that they're conducting this war with soldiers from faraway provinces, local militias and Chechens. I have no idea if they lost as much VDV guys as Ukrainians claim though or what happened when the run on Kiev failed.
Thing is Russia if push comes to shove can get 200k fresh troops to the front and Ukraine can't afford even to rotate troops they have now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> what happened when the run on Kiev failed.
Russians simply left. Ukrainians were so scared they started taking the positions back only three days later.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Thing is Russia if push comes to shove can get 200k fresh troops to the front
They can't because they still don't legally call this a war, only a special operation so men are leaglly ignoring the draft. Also Russia only has 2 million draft age men. If you send out 200k of your last generation you basically destroy your entire economy.
Basically every Russian military advisor, and every Russian I'm the upper echelon says they can't actually draft 200k troops. They still want people.im st Petersburg and Moscow to believe everything is fine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The VDV general was confirmed kill by Russian command. The VDV doesn't exist anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not how it works anon. VDV are simply paratroopers. If a general dies you get a new one. If troopers die you train new ones.
>Thing is Russia if push comes to shove can get 200k fresh troops to the front
They can't because they still don't legally call this a war, only a special operation so men are leaglly ignoring the draft. Also Russia only has 2 million draft age men. If you send out 200k of your last generation you basically destroy your entire economy.
Basically every Russian military advisor, and every Russian I'm the upper echelon says they can't actually draft 200k troops. They still want people.im st Petersburg and Moscow to believe everything is fine.
>only 2 million
Also this isn't Cold War anon, Russians know what's going on. Glowies like Navalny have more support on reddit than in Russia.
China is a paper tiger and they're not going to destroy their already dire economy over Putin's interests, especially when they have Taiwan to deal with, if they get sanctioned to death before they go for Taiwan they can wave Taiwan bye bye.
China is a trading empire, they will just cut favourable deals which will ensure that West blinks first.
>Taiwan
Americans would never put boots on the ground there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mariupol pocket is taken, Azovstal surrendered.
Severodonetsk-Lisichansk pocket is being taken.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lisichansk is not pocketed. Severodonetsk yes, but it's still taking a lot and despite a few bridges directly to Lisichansk being blown up there's still a way for retreat even if it's more difficult. They're not surrounded yet. Unlike Mariupol that got surrounded in like two days.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mariupol defenders contingent was 8k, half of them Azov, loud, but useless war criminals.
Lisichansk-Severodonetsk defend at least 16k soldiers, closer to 20k, most of them have retreated to Lisichansk now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>stuck trying to take one steelfactory
that's it, gloves are coming off now
2 years ago
Anonymous
Azovstal surrendered as soon as Red Cross negotiated evacuation of civilians.
There is an immense amount of jingoistic CGI-laden stuff coming out of Eastern Europe which showcases how decrepit and zoomer-brained their imagination became. Contrast this with Balabanov's work especially when treating war and society (Voina and Brat). All Russians make now are period pieces that actually denigrate the resistance to Nazi army. Fricking hell, when Soviets made anti-Nazi propaganda they made Alexander Nevsky and Sacrifice.
Russian cinema block tries hard to compete with Hollywood. Ukrainian cinema block barely exists (t. Ukrainian).
Also Balabanov is pretty much an arthouse director. Brat movies were his only hits. Zhmurki also did decently well and Cargo 200 had controversy surrounding it because how dare he portray soviets in a grim dark way.
If you like Balabanov there's a Serbian director who worked at roughly the same time (actually still working but his movies are shit now) - he made three good movies - Mi Nismo Andjeli, Lepa Sela Lepo Gore and Rane (Wounds). Has basically identical cinematography as Balabanov, especially in the last two films I mentioned.
NATO works for USA and has coopted a whole range of countries with extremely jingoistic ideas and extremely corrupt economic systems, not suitable for the EU marketplace - Baltic states and Poland solely to military expand eastward. It has a whole slew of politicians who are just lobbyists for weapons sales.
It also seems that Putin was right about Russia being an autarky and that America can't actually hurt it much. Imagine what happens come winter.
Ukrainian territorial defense is holding the frontlines, they're transferring hundreds of thousands of them to Donbass from all over Ukraine because Donbass was heavily fortified over 8 years after the civil war. When Donbass is taken, by August presumably, Ukraine will have no lines of defense anymore, apart from cities, of course.
Yes but their supply lines are broken, they have like 15-1 artillery ratio disadvantage, no air presence. It's a miracle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
NATO isn't a trade federation, it's a military alliance. How does that affect EU economics. Explain that to us.
>It also seems that Putin was right about Russia being an autarky
Why because their stock market hasn't flat lined? You realize there's no trade volume yes? They're printing money to appear fine. Buying rubles is like buying a ticket for the Titanic
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao what cope is this, even putin went from >axaxaxa you can't sanction russia, it so big!
to >b-b-b-b-but it would take years!!
Putin is not stopping NATO, it's entierly his own interests. He was doing corruption schemes in Ukraine. T5he west decided to pull their corruption schemes there and did give Ukraine a better alternative for the future, at least in theory.
Putin freaked out. Crimea was a success, but he decided to do that LPR / DPR shit and forcing a prolonging conflict which only made things worse. He snapped and decided to unironically just take the capital and overthrow the government. It failed, now he's grasping for straws. He won't stand a fricking month in a full blown conflict with NATO forces, troony squads would be waving rainbow flags over Kremlin by the end of it unles Russian government proceeds with the noooooooooking.
Run on Kiev did fail, but it seems that Putin's economic backing for this war was sound, and that west botched the entire "cancel Russia" deal. It also seems that the war is going fine now and that Ukraine will completely lose its army. And Odessa (I expect siege of Odessa before the end of summer).
>corruption schemes in Ukraine
everyone was doing that, but America thoroughly prepped that country for a conflict that doesn't seem to be going according to plan (for the west).
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Run on Kiev did fail, but it seems that Putin's economic backing for this war was sound,
How. >Ukraine will completely lose its army.
Ukraine has a population of 45 million. And at the current rate they've have a 8:1 KD ratio, so if anything Russia will bleed out long entire Ukraine loses its army.
>troony squads would be waving rainbow flags over Kremlin by the end of it
kekekekek imagine the seethe on their faces seeing a troon flag over the kremlin
2 years ago
Anonymous
>666
Whose soul do you need to make this?
Also they would have to pass through Poland first.
2 years ago
Anonymous
b-based anon-sama
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's scary how Poles actually believe Russia would not stomp them. You guys know that a nuclear power would use its nukes if they started losing a war next to their territory, right?
NATO isn't a trade federation, it's a military alliance. How does that affect EU economics. Explain that to us.
>It also seems that Putin was right about Russia being an autarky
Why because their stock market hasn't flat lined? You realize there's no trade volume yes? They're printing money to appear fine. Buying rubles is like buying a ticket for the Titanic
>how does NATO poking the bear affect the recession we have now
Unlike EU Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources; money isn't real. Russia cannot be starved, and you cannot turn off its heat or power.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>muh nukes
again lmao >Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources
and that money goes straight to putin's and his friends pockets
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources;
The majority of their oil is in the Arctic circle, and the technology requires foreign tech that they can't produce domestically. Russia is only as wealthy as foreign investors allow. And since Russia had to shut off its gas pipelines, those froze and will never be recovered. The now need to completely rebuild their pipeline infrastructure if they want to pump that oil. Btw they had to shut it off in the 90s and they only just rebuilt it after 30 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Good thing they have a close relationship with China, then.
>muh nukes
again lmao >Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources
and that money goes straight to putin's and his friends pockets
It need not be a big nuke. Just large enough for Polish army. No one is going to end the world over Warszaw crater.
2 years ago
Anonymous
China is a paper tiger and they're not going to destroy their already dire economy over Putin's interests, especially when they have Taiwan to deal with, if they get sanctioned to death before they go for Taiwan they can wave Taiwan bye bye.
They just fell for the propaganda that somehow Russia is an alternative. So if you don't like thing X in your country that means le white Christian savior Putin is the answer.
Basically they're morons.
The opposite is a 3rd world country that's ethnically diverse, extremely poor, has no economic future or prosperity, is propped up mainly with oil that it can no longer drill for or distribute.
Are they winning?
No.
Not technically, but holding off a supposed superpower for 4 months while inflicting devastating losses on them overshadows whatever meager gains Russia gets
It’s a Finland vs USSR situation. Though just as with the winter war it’s More the Russians are incompetent jokes
No
they aren't losing
If winning means to not lose Donbass then so far no,
Them losing Donbas was a foregone conclusion even before the war had started. I'm not even sure why they wanted it in the first place. They should have handed over all Russian majority areas
>just give your wife to Tyrone
Well now Tyrone is going have your kids too.
they're getting Donbass and maybe thew southern terriories which they got like day 1 into war without a fight at best
Yes? Wouldn't it be easier to just lose Donbass? And not have Odessa as your sole Black Sea port now while you beg for what amounts to a literal second army?
>just keep Tyrone's child in your house and let them stir up shit
why would you want a black wife
Why is it always interracial cucking with you Americans?
Since I haven't been dragged to they frontline yet I think we're not in a very bad situation yet.. However the Iskander strikes are getting annoying and mess with my sleep schedule
>tfw air raid sirens at 3am
I barely hear the sirens here but do hear missile strikes since the last week there were a few in about 5km from me. I just hope our AA guys won't shoot one down above my commieblock.
Ukrainian losses - at least 50k
Russian 2.400-2.6k
DPR - 3k
LPR - 4k
Oh and Russia is holding at 7k Ukrainian POWs
You tell me who winning
>Ukrainian losses - at least 50k
>Russian 2.400-2.6k
>DPR - 3k
>LPR - 4k
cope
delusional numbers
There are all sorts of varying numbers from different sources and if you believe any of them you're a moron
That's why I'm saying at least 50k, the real number is closer to 60k. Russian and DPR losses are open and are more or less correct with a hundred-two more or less. LPR losses are classified and may be bigger.
>Russian losses are open
They are so open even BBC confirmed them.
very trustworthy
all numbers are bullshit, especially the delusional 50k to 2k
if you judge by the actual way the war is porogressing it's pretty clear that the losses are pretty much equal, the party that attacks always loses more, but the holdout is obviously not very successfull meaning the defending party is also losing numbers close to the attacking party, which is indeed not a good situation for them
The total Russian contingent in Ukraine is 200k, that includes the logistics personnel, reserves and everyone else. The total number of fighting men on the frontlines is 60-70k. If Russia lost even 10% - 20k -of their contingent, they would lose strategical initiative and wouldn't be able to perform offensives and maneuvers.
>open
By whom? The source is the Russian government? Very trustworhy. If the losses were truly of thjat rate Russians wouldn't be stumbling around a small city for like two weeks already and not getting any general progress on the Donbass front.
And I am not saying they won't take it, I'm saying if they have so many forces and are barely losing any why the frick is the offensive so slow then?
The offensive is slow because Russia is utilising the Syrian strategy - slow, methodical extermination of Ukrainian military potential. The Donbass front is a grinder, Ukraine loses a hundred soldiers a day and is slowly getting caught into pockets while Russian losses are minimal. There is no need to rush, it's not a speed contest.
I'm honestly amazed that Ukraine front hasn't collapsed so far. I'm doubting I have any idea about the war at this point. Like, I was anticipating a total collapse two weeks ago.
Ukrainian territorial defense is holding the frontlines, they're transferring hundreds of thousands of them to Donbass from all over Ukraine because Donbass was heavily fortified over 8 years after the civil war. When Donbass is taken, by August presumably, Ukraine will have no lines of defense anymore, apart from cities, of course.
>the civil war
the northern front wasn't protected by Donbass and it managed to hold on
>inb4 feint
This is such a cope it's unreal, the faint did nothing, Donbass offensive is still slow as frick.
The feint was apparently so effective most still don't believe it happened.
> >inb4
The Gostomel-Bucha-Irpen contingent was 20k. You don't surround the capital with 20k soldiers.
You do know that when you grind onto a force with almost equal numbers from the start, also fairly decently armed, you'd be losing so much that the grinding would prove useless at a point where you won't have enough forces to hold what you have and keep attacking? It's much different than fightning a bunch of sandBlack folk.
Also they always talk about muh cauldrons, muh pockets and yet to close a single one, and the size of the promised pockets only get slower. There's really only a risk of pocket in that city on Donbass they're trying to get into. They blew up the closest bridges I think, so the situation for retreat became difficult.
They have way more than 200k as they've been withdrawing forces from all over the place after the initial attack (which did have 200k) plus there are LPR / DPR forces.
You forget that Ukrainian ammo and fuel depots are getting bombed behind the frontlines every day, as does western weaponry. Ukraine is starved in fuel and artillery shells already, that's why they throw so much disinfo in western media in hopes to gain attention and receive more weapons.
>Ukraine is starved in fuel and artillery shells already
>that's why they throw so much disinfo
But then this disinfo is truth
This sounds like massive cope again, Russia constantly claims to have destroyed like half an army and almost all the weaponry yet the frontline still holds on. If the damage is to this extent then there's no way the holdout would be possible.
What plan? The west told israelitelensky to flee day one, surprised he didn't and there were no weapon gibs untill like week into the war because everyone expected Kiev to fall.
It's really not that important, the war is just a way to get votes. They'll twist almost any outcome into a win and will pat themselves in the back. You're overblowing how much this war will harm them.
Muh siege of Odessa sounds like a wet dream. By now every big city is heavily fortified. Mariupol had half the population and barely any fortification and it still took more than a month to take it. While the city was surrounded from all sides.
Thing with Russian forces is that they're conducting this war with soldiers from faraway provinces, local militias and Chechens. I have no idea if they lost as much VDV guys as Ukrainians claim though or what happened when the run on Kiev failed.
Thing is Russia if push comes to shove can get 200k fresh troops to the front and Ukraine can't afford even to rotate troops they have now.
> what happened when the run on Kiev failed.
Russians simply left. Ukrainians were so scared they started taking the positions back only three days later.
>Thing is Russia if push comes to shove can get 200k fresh troops to the front
They can't because they still don't legally call this a war, only a special operation so men are leaglly ignoring the draft. Also Russia only has 2 million draft age men. If you send out 200k of your last generation you basically destroy your entire economy.
Basically every Russian military advisor, and every Russian I'm the upper echelon says they can't actually draft 200k troops. They still want people.im st Petersburg and Moscow to believe everything is fine.
The VDV general was confirmed kill by Russian command. The VDV doesn't exist anymore.
That's not how it works anon. VDV are simply paratroopers. If a general dies you get a new one. If troopers die you train new ones.
>only 2 million
Also this isn't Cold War anon, Russians know what's going on. Glowies like Navalny have more support on reddit than in Russia.
China is a trading empire, they will just cut favourable deals which will ensure that West blinks first.
>Taiwan
Americans would never put boots on the ground there.
Mariupol pocket is taken, Azovstal surrendered.
Severodonetsk-Lisichansk pocket is being taken.
Lisichansk is not pocketed. Severodonetsk yes, but it's still taking a lot and despite a few bridges directly to Lisichansk being blown up there's still a way for retreat even if it's more difficult. They're not surrounded yet. Unlike Mariupol that got surrounded in like two days.
Mariupol defenders contingent was 8k, half of them Azov, loud, but useless war criminals.
Lisichansk-Severodonetsk defend at least 16k soldiers, closer to 20k, most of them have retreated to Lisichansk now.
>stuck trying to take one steelfactory
that's it, gloves are coming off now
Azovstal surrendered as soon as Red Cross negotiated evacuation of civilians.
war footage of ruschuds getting btfo
They will soon, once Russia takes them over and shows them how to make proper kino.
>day 111 of the 3-day special operation
>, once Russia takes them over
so no kino
Not a country.
No idea. It's sort of pointless to watch any russian movies from post soviet era.
Not really.
Last weeks local channel just blasted MCU flicks interrupted by propaganda.
Aren't they like one of the biggest child porn producers?
After russia.
No way Russia doesn't produce more. Russian Mouse or whoever she was was practically a celebrity over there
They probably develop more pornography than any country in the world.
battleship potemkin was filmed in Odessa
By the guy who was born in Latvia on the money given russian. All together it's called soviet.
GUYS this shit was filmed in the center of Kyi(e)v
Son of the Mask
I have no fricking idea who watched these in theaters
Ukrainians watched.
You know some personally?
This so much. It's such a blatant basic b***h propaganda i feel like it's a money laundering outlet
Ukrainian House MD was kino
Carwashers 2001
Orangelove 2006
Stop-Zemlia
Tribe
Wayfarers 2005
this thread has been pruned or deleted
Or both
iirc this isn't about the current war but the 2014 shit
There is an immense amount of jingoistic CGI-laden stuff coming out of Eastern Europe which showcases how decrepit and zoomer-brained their imagination became. Contrast this with Balabanov's work especially when treating war and society (Voina and Brat). All Russians make now are period pieces that actually denigrate the resistance to Nazi army. Fricking hell, when Soviets made anti-Nazi propaganda they made Alexander Nevsky and Sacrifice.
Russian cinema block tries hard to compete with Hollywood. Ukrainian cinema block barely exists (t. Ukrainian).
Also Balabanov is pretty much an arthouse director. Brat movies were his only hits. Zhmurki also did decently well and Cargo 200 had controversy surrounding it because how dare he portray soviets in a grim dark way.
If you like Balabanov there's a Serbian director who worked at roughly the same time (actually still working but his movies are shit now) - he made three good movies - Mi Nismo Andjeli, Lepa Sela Lepo Gore and Rane (Wounds). Has basically identical cinematography as Balabanov, especially in the last two films I mentioned.
Sisters was a fantastic movie directed by that guy from Brat also (taken too soon)
I hate glowies like Putin but I think NATO killed the idea behind EU completely and that it needs to be stopped.
Glowies are CIA. Putin is a KGB boomer. Complete opposite. Also how does NATO kill the EU that makes no sense.
NATO works for USA and has coopted a whole range of countries with extremely jingoistic ideas and extremely corrupt economic systems, not suitable for the EU marketplace - Baltic states and Poland solely to military expand eastward. It has a whole slew of politicians who are just lobbyists for weapons sales.
It also seems that Putin was right about Russia being an autarky and that America can't actually hurt it much. Imagine what happens come winter.
Yes but their supply lines are broken, they have like 15-1 artillery ratio disadvantage, no air presence. It's a miracle.
NATO isn't a trade federation, it's a military alliance. How does that affect EU economics. Explain that to us.
>It also seems that Putin was right about Russia being an autarky
Why because their stock market hasn't flat lined? You realize there's no trade volume yes? They're printing money to appear fine. Buying rubles is like buying a ticket for the Titanic
lmao what cope is this, even putin went from
>axaxaxa you can't sanction russia, it so big!
to
>b-b-b-b-but it would take years!!
Putin is not stopping NATO, it's entierly his own interests. He was doing corruption schemes in Ukraine. T5he west decided to pull their corruption schemes there and did give Ukraine a better alternative for the future, at least in theory.
Putin freaked out. Crimea was a success, but he decided to do that LPR / DPR shit and forcing a prolonging conflict which only made things worse. He snapped and decided to unironically just take the capital and overthrow the government. It failed, now he's grasping for straws. He won't stand a fricking month in a full blown conflict with NATO forces, troony squads would be waving rainbow flags over Kremlin by the end of it unles Russian government proceeds with the noooooooooking.
Run on Kiev did fail, but it seems that Putin's economic backing for this war was sound, and that west botched the entire "cancel Russia" deal. It also seems that the war is going fine now and that Ukraine will completely lose its army. And Odessa (I expect siege of Odessa before the end of summer).
>corruption schemes in Ukraine
everyone was doing that, but America thoroughly prepped that country for a conflict that doesn't seem to be going according to plan (for the west).
>Run on Kiev did fail, but it seems that Putin's economic backing for this war was sound,
How.
>Ukraine will completely lose its army.
Ukraine has a population of 45 million. And at the current rate they've have a 8:1 KD ratio, so if anything Russia will bleed out long entire Ukraine loses its army.
>troony squads would be waving rainbow flags over Kremlin by the end of it
kekekekek imagine the seethe on their faces seeing a troon flag over the kremlin
>666
Whose soul do you need to make this?
Also they would have to pass through Poland first.
b-based anon-sama
It's scary how Poles actually believe Russia would not stomp them. You guys know that a nuclear power would use its nukes if they started losing a war next to their territory, right?
>how does NATO poking the bear affect the recession we have now
Unlike EU Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources; money isn't real. Russia cannot be starved, and you cannot turn off its heat or power.
>muh nukes
again lmao
>Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources
and that money goes straight to putin's and his friends pockets
>Russia sits on an immense amount of natural resources;
The majority of their oil is in the Arctic circle, and the technology requires foreign tech that they can't produce domestically. Russia is only as wealthy as foreign investors allow. And since Russia had to shut off its gas pipelines, those froze and will never be recovered. The now need to completely rebuild their pipeline infrastructure if they want to pump that oil. Btw they had to shut it off in the 90s and they only just rebuilt it after 30 years.
Good thing they have a close relationship with China, then.
It need not be a big nuke. Just large enough for Polish army. No one is going to end the world over Warszaw crater.
China is a paper tiger and they're not going to destroy their already dire economy over Putin's interests, especially when they have Taiwan to deal with, if they get sanctioned to death before they go for Taiwan they can wave Taiwan bye bye.
>hehe funny niger
y they so racist?
Larisa Shepitko is the greatest female director of all time so yes.
It's like Brazil, Pakistan or Australia. A big country with no kinos.
Brazil and Australia have plenty of kino
And it's easier to list muslim countries that have kino than the opposite
>brazil
>no kino
lol
I still don't understand the mentality of someone picking Russia's side, or claiming ti because Ukraine is full of Nazis.
They just fell for the propaganda that somehow Russia is an alternative. So if you don't like thing X in your country that means le white Christian savior Putin is the answer.
Basically they're morons.
a lot of them are just contrarian homosexuals not wanting to be le sheep
>globohomo, feminists, MSM, politicians are all pro-ukraine
So I will support the opposite.
The opposite is a 3rd world country that's ethnically diverse, extremely poor, has no economic future or prosperity, is propped up mainly with oil that it can no longer drill for or distribute.
I think it extends beyond gays.
I like watching them kill redditors that went to ukraine to die for some shithole nobody cares about.
Yes, Cyпep Cyc, like 8 or so dudes with wilderness, video, training and knowledge.
thread almost bye bye, unusually civil /misc/ thread
I don't even know what's more weird, this thread still being up or Ukraine not giving up for 4 months.