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Does this really happen or is this just a strawman someone created to get mad at and farm interactions?
Sometimes this happens, yes. Reminds me a lot of One Piece.
Haha thought of that too
They got old and fat women tho.
They have, but they're very few compared to the generic hourglass bodytype ones. Falls into the designated ugly girl, I guess? Not exactly the same but close.
Is it just me or do I think the male cast designs in the OP are all shit? Being wacky isn't good and all of them being wacky means none of them stand out. Ironically, they became generic.
Yeah looks like the artist was just whipping out crappy characters
I'm trying to figure out who the main character was supposed to be.
But they do the common anime thing where any toony design "was quite a looker" (generic template) when younger, or grows up into the generic template.
Yeah but the old and fat women fall also in their own same category, being exactly similarly ugly to the point they look like copy+paste, change place of one of those moles or whatever, move it from her cheek to her nose and call it a day
A lot of One Piece character designs are just jacked dudes. Why is that any different?
They're jacked dudes with radically different bodies and proportions. The hourglass picture is specially noticeable post-timeskip. Compare Nico and Nami before that, and Nico and Nami afterwards. Just look it up.
>They're jacked dudes with radically different bodies and proportions.
No
Yeah it’s nothing to worry over.
I was gonna agree but I really have a hard time thinking of a lot of shows that actually do that. Even forgetting that most shows lack a male cast that diverse in the first place.
That's really undercutting the crew, like if you boled it down to the Strawhats, sure you could say "it's predominantly lanklets and sexy women with the exceptions being literally inhuman" but froma wider perspective men are really all over the place, there's women too but to a lesser degree and Oda pretty unashamedly just likes that bodytype.
I think because there are jacked dudes of every ages, while in women they have the same houglass figure as long as they are young and becomes monsters when they get age
>A lot of One Piece character designs are just jacked dudes
Male One Piece characters come with the weirdest fricking shapes and proportions, I have no idea what gives you that impression.
>jacked triangle
>sphere
>normal dude
and maybe midget
same apies to women
>Male One Piece characters come with the weirdest fricking shapes and proportions
All one piece designs do
because all the women look the exact same with different hair colors yet the men have actual unique designs with good western styled cartooning
Not really, bodies are all over the place
Never forget
This is great design and anyone who thinks otherwise is fricked up in the head.
This is why he's referred to as Goda.
Nah, thats because anime fanboys need dads
Not saying it isn't unique or without charm for some people, but his style is fricking ugly
go back to Cinemaphile
Don't they suck off wan piss nonstop over there?
they are contained in their threads, most Cinemaphilenons don't even consider OP anime, it's DBZ level normie-slop
It's not even comparable to DBZ, it has actual character arcs and a world that changes over time. The hatred for it is peak contrarian.
if tiktok nogs are making bits about your anime, it's time to drop it
>Caring what morons on some website do or say about a show
nobody is stopping you, enjoy your slop
Thanks, I will enjoy my peak anime.
>character arcs and a world that changes over time
Still can't wrap up a story in 30 25 years and over 1000 numbers
Also, don't all arcs follow the same exact formula?
TEN MORE YEARS
your fat ass will be dead before he finishes his masterpiece, believe it
Why does it have to be short? A big story requires a lot of chapters. And no, plenty of arcs are different, some even having Luffy lose. One doesn't even feature the Straw Hats at all.
Mate, people that weren't alive when it firtst got published are starting to have kids. You're telling me the story of this goofy ass motherfricker had so much to tell that it isn't even half done after an entire generation?
Clearly he did. You realize that there are story-driven manga longer than One Piece, right?
It's such a basic anime style. It's almost like Sailor Moon in how typically anime stock it is.
Wtf lmao you’re crazy
Not an argument.
not a debate
Ooo nice I’ll have to remember that one
>It's easy to forget
Well, yeah. I was surprised after reading for a bit, that seems to be just stylistic suck, overall backgrounds and action scenes can be pretty good and detailed.
Unless his assistants are doing a LOT of the work.
Assistants do do a lot of the work, but also it's 20 pages per week every week for like 30+ years at this point for the man so I can give him the slack.
I was talking about kinda early stuff I read back in the day. Probably around the fight with that guy with cat gloves, or Mihawk.
Yeah, that's always been the case. I remember when One Piece was first brought over and a lot of nascent weebaoos outright said it was so ugly and simplistic that they were surprised it even got published in the same magazine as DBZ.
lel
Half the men have the same body shape and the ones who don't aren't meant to be normal humans
Their is still more variance even with the similar looking men then their is with the women seriously if you told me half the women in th bottom were just one of the other girls in a basic disguise I could buy it. if you tried it with the men It would be a pretty hard sell.
What about early Alvida?
That's just another Big Mom phenotype
Actually designed by a woman, to be fair. Who's the blond babe top right?
True and Armstrong also if we're talking shounen and women, Dragon Ball women actually do all look pretty different (except for the Bulma clones).
Is middle-right another girl that looks like Bulma?
That's her daughter Bra.
Oh
Toriyama forgetting about Launch was a crime against humanity
it was until the z era, toriyama make fun of himself in dr slump because he made all the girl exactly the same
I was wracking my brain trying to figure out who the Saber in the OP of that stupid east vs west thread the other day reminded me of. Olivier Armstrong.
>army bawd
>lips bawd
>evil bawd
>wigger bawd
>small bawd
>nerdy bawd
>blondie bawd
>generic bawd
Now that's diversity.
never understand why many homosexuals complain a lot about one piece when literally any shojo is by far worse. all the girls look the same and all the males looks like the same homo, sailor moon is the biggest example
Ami legit does not look like the others
>Ami legit does not look like the others
you are being delusional
>when literally any shojo is by far worse. all the girls look the same and all the males looks like the same
The "issue" is more so the imbalance, that male characters tend to get more unique character designs in comparison to the female characters.
If the creator makes all their males and females have a stock appearance, then that's not entirely relevant.
>The "issue" is more so the imbalance, that male characters tend to get more unique character designs in comparison to the female characters.
That's not true, OP is the series with the most ugly women in all of animation.
I love the original sailor moon anime so much...
It's the best. THE BEST!
They're different heights and they dress different also they're eyes all have little differences, only they're builds are the same.
It's not like One Piece at all.
Stock art really makes the show style look worst.
And that's when they're lazy. Mars is famous for her legs and Jupiter for being the best.
>They're different heights and they dress different also they're eyes all have little differences
the same with one piece, they have differences in eyes and dress is totally irrelevant. as for the heighs, hell we have even fricking giants there
that's a man
I don't see no man here
not according to oda
You don't read the manga or actually look into what oda actually had to say on the matter and it shows
Because Sailor Moon was made by a woman and girls are bias for media created by their own and are fine with every character looking the exact same. But when a stinky PENIS OWNING boy makes sexy female characters, it’s objectification and male gaze-y.
You ever noticed not one woman will criticize something like Barbie or Bratz for having female characters that are all stocky bimbo types that look the same? It’s because they are hypocrites. Those franchises did more to make women look like objects than any horny guy drawing breasts on a mouse could do, Hell the Simpsons literally made an entire episode about it.
Refer to my post here
If female furries can’t be sexy, then Spongebob can’t wear clothes or work at a fast food job. He also can’t have a face either because real Sponges don’t have those.
Kinda makes me want to draw a cast where three-quarter of the female characters look just as wacky and exaggerated, without them looking gay like in SU.
of course you do. you want to be different for the sake of it and that's why the west ceded the culture war to the far east degenerates
>culture war is when you want to do something fun
You're fricked up.
no you, for trying to pass off aimless contrarianism as novelty and finding it fun
You okay, pal?
I'm fine, I've given up on Cinemaphile a while ago
i know one piece does have very good designs from an actual design/artistic point, but my fricking god do i hate them. there's just something so unappealing about one piece's art style to me.
I liked the old artstyle when was more cartoony but like once faces and eyes got more animeish but still kept that cartoonish vibe too like weird mix, I found it ugly, the faces and giant necks are what really ruined new style for me.
Art fell off.
pain
Eewwww, One Piece.
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Best girl
Nice cherrypicked characters anon
The male ones were specifically chosen to somewhat match the characters in the OP image, anon.
The point was that one piece only has this situation when it doesn't
Pretty sure it was just a shitpost going by the filename
OK
Hatless Robin is absolutely disgusting
Thanks for sharing that you have never read that series.
I'll never forgive Oda for ruining half of the main crew post time skip. Nami just looks like a hoe, and Robin is a bootleg Hanwiener.
>Nami just looks like a hoe
she was always a hoe
Nami's design flanderization hurts the most.
Shots fricking fired.
I think you know
Its tired old 2009 feminist talking points
Yes, same reason why fantasy species that are female tend to look like anime girls while the males look non-human
Such as...?
World of Warcraft male orcs, trolls, and undead, for one? The males are all grotesque and twisted and the girls are just discoloured human women.
What was the problem with the old trolls and undead? I'm looking up the designs and don't see anything wrong
Are you not seeing it?
What's the problem? It's not just a sexy woman in body paint. Do females need to be the exact same as males?
It literally is just women with bad teeth, bodypaint and pointed ears.
If you ignore the faces and limbs/feet, sure.
And the males are just humans with bad teth, body paint, pointed ears, and bad posture.
Like I get it if you're mad from a technical angle since I'd assume the female model is the same rigging as human female and that can be seen as lazy, but the design is pretty close to the dudes.
Yeah, they made an alternate troll race that stands up straight and it makes it abundantly clear that trolls are painted humans.
Right, and that's kinda the issue with using it as an example of what Op's saying. It's not that men are beast like and women are just painted humans, they're both just painted humans.
OP can speak for themself. You're just inventing controversy.
>Op can speak for themselves on an anonymous image board
moronation aside, the point I'm making is that it's not an example of op's pic, which is about the weird racial dimorphism that media may or may not portray between sexes. I forgot about the actual text of OP, in which case it is a perfect example, of what he's asking.
A strawman someone created to get mad at.
Question is how many average women would want to play as an 'ugly' female character when they can play as a hot bestial male?
>when they can play as a hot bestial male?
Kek they won't play as a male regardless
There's no link or source, even in the twitter post that suggests what anon suggests. The best they can find is this. The study doesn't say the difference is "become batman vs take batman shopping". The guy even admits that he can't find anything to support this theory, just "its out there, I'm sure".
Twitter post for context. He posted his impression and his conclusion and only presented something like a source when asked.
So, boys act professional. I believe it.
From psychology POV thats very interesting and mind opening tbh.
you wanna know the funniest part? There was one race that did have more unified sex designs originally, where females were ugly like the males
But it turns out that female players kept complaining because they wanted their characters to be attractive
So the company redesigned the females to be more feminine in appearance
Don't know off the top of my head which race, but it always made me kek
> "males are always unique, females are always sexy! MAKE THAT STOP!!! KILL THE MALE GAZE!"
>fixes it
>women complain the females aren't sexy enough, refuse to roleplay with it
Did people really freak out about this?
Is that a real question?
Are you interested in designers or consumers?
Huh?
What are you going to do with a yes or no answer?
You tell me.
You're going to reinforce your ADHD by avoiding the topic and changing the subject.
Nah you are.
It was my question.
Was it really?
What are you going to do with a yes or no?
Why don't you tell us?
I already did.
Ok how u know?
Because you're presently doing it and still haven't said why.
maybe on planet moron
maybe you don't know.
Afraid not.
That's doesn't prove me wrong.
He’ll know if people freaked out or not, sheesh, what’s your problem man
Sexual dimorphism is a thing
but not in humans
In gelflings
>but not in humans
whut
It is for Warcraft trolls clearly
Are you joking? How does a lioness having less head hair count as being more dimorphic than the human body having visibly different shapes and fat storage?
you know there's manded female lions and maneless male lions, right? probably the most famous are the two male maneless lions of tsavo who killed loads of people like 100 years ago
There's also human females who can grow mustaches and human males who can have visibly bouncy boobs. Those are not the averages we're talking about when discussing general dimorphism across a species. Those are examples that use the average as a branch off point to explain WHY it's diverting from the usual.
What the hell are boobs then?
I have seen men with bigger boobs than the average women
Yeah, and that's because they are fat
Even women's skulls are fake smiling.
breasts or GTFO.
trannies man I swear
successful bait, anon
no fricking way this is legit unless youre 6 years old
notice that the females of these animals don't look like sexy female humans but still look like their species?
Yeah, I also noticed how the warcraft females look like their species f
>female of species is nondescript and barely resembles and barely resembles the male
>character designer ends up creating weird troony version of species to make female recognizable.
There's one other peawiener example I've seen but I can't remember what from.
eh
if it works, it works
that's fiction for ya
Lol, that one guppy on the bottom is defo not a female.
>t. fishgay currently breeding guppy/endler mutts
So a reason for animal dimorphism is also so that females can hide better.
Males are all about "my genes are strong and dominant" because he will likely die soon if he can't get laid. The females need to live long enough to give birth, so their coloring won't be as vibrant and bulkier for harsher climates.
That's why mating pairs of birds tend to have less dimorphism because it's not about the looks, but the ability to raise a child together. Females and males will look nearly the same because they tend to never mate with any other partner if the other dies.
Character designers often just want to make sexy girl characters that they think is cute and appealing to play as.
Right, the trend is that these females of different species are looking humoid and sexually appealing to the average straight male demographic. That's not wrong, no one is saying it's wrong, just that it's funny and kinda dumb. Like how protagonists manage to always have the best luck when crowds of trained soldiers shoot at them, but for marketing to specific demographics. Enjoyers of all sorts of media see things like this and shrug or laugh, but with this one it really brings out the morons to tilt at purple haired dyke windmills.
Trolls are pretty much unmutated elves in that universe, you can see the same dimorphism in night elves.
Star Wars (notice how all of the weird aliens we see are male and the females are hot girls with weird hair), Marvel (just compare the Skrulls of both genders). Anime monstergirls have this in spades: compare Monster Musume monster males and females.
You don't know if all of the weird aliens are male or not, and I know by females you mean Twileks and the like. They're meant to be humanoid.
For monster girls/monster guys, men and women are attracted to different things.
>You don't know if all of the weird aliens are male or not
But why do they ONLY show us the male weird aliens? Why is it that we never see female Toydarians, or Hutts?
>and I know by females you mean Twileks and the like. They're meant to be humanoid
And yet we only see female Twileks. The only Twi'lek men in the films are Bib Fortuna, one of Jabba's servants and Orn Free Taa, a corrupt politicia - and they are both creepy and ugly.
>For monster girls/monster guys, men and women are attracted to different things
Cool, still doesn't disprove my point: all the men look like monsters and all the girls look like humans with some weird traits.
Compare the mummies, anon.
>But why do they ONLY show us the male weird aliens? Why is it that we never see female Toydarians, or Hutts?
Because the worth of a non-sexy woman is zero. That is how it has always been, that is how it will always be. Just accept it.
>But why do they ONLY show us the male weird aliens?
Holiday special festures chewbaccas entire senpai, this includes his mom(?)
a female hutt was in some cartoon IIRC
Nope, it included his wife, son and dad.
There is a female Hutt mentioned and shown in the background of a scene in the Phantom Menace.
>Star Wars
Not even true lol
All the weirdo aliens israelite chewbacca look basically the same if they're female. Male Togruta and Twileks also just look israelite humans with some head stuff attached.
Because monsterboys shouldnt fricking exist. The whole point of MGE shit is to fulfill sexual fantasies of males being desired, positively or negatively. The only reason secondary and tertiary media adds males at all is to try and make a functional fantasy setting where there simply isn't one. The only one that even approaches that angle half correctly is the brothel reviewers one, the rest just shouldnt have males. Frick even futa would fit more than monsterdudes.
>Frick even futa would fit more than monsterdudes.
Everything made in the far East.
What? You were expecting something relevant to Cinemaphile?
Western productions don't make anime girls.
>Why is it that we never see female Toydarians, or Hutts?
There's a female Hutt in the films and the comics, not that you've seen Star Wars outside of porn.
>And yet we only see female Twileks.
You didn't see the Clone Wars animated series then?
A male twilek is also a prominent character in an episode of The Mandalorian
Because designers are pussies?
>body diversity
>it's simply giving a girl a neck-thin waist and a gigantic ass
wtf, I love diversity now
Yes. But sometimes it happens with men. Coral island is an example of the men all having the same broad shoulders and massive jaws, while the women get more diversity and range in body types and face shapes.
Never forget that women don't complain because they see it as a bad thing. They complain because they're not the ones exclusively doing it.
Coral Island is an indie game made by some SEA literal who, that's why nobody complains about it.
I didn't even know it was a thing before the Cinemaphile shitposting began.
I'm not asking people to complain about Coral Island.
>Never forget that women don't complain because they see it as a bad thing. They complain because they're not the ones exclusively doing it.
Making up someone to be mad at them
Wdym none of these men look alike. This is equal diversity if anything.
>none of the men have glasses
>only two women have glasses
It's shit.
Fricking hate that art stye.
Yeah but I can't place why I don't like it. Something about it comes off as corporate or cold
this is equal diversity because there's a complete lack of it on either side. No norwood reaped men is a dead giveaway they were drawn by a woman also
This was definitely created by women and homos
worse
It was made by a male "feminist"
>male "feminist"
That's usually code for "I want to put my fetishes in without social media clamping on my ass" so I think they're pretty cool.
No, that's code for hiding your fetishes and secretly being a rapist
Moreso the former than the latter but I'm glad we agree on something.
"male" "feminists" are absolutely predators who blend in only because they think it will get them laid and not because they actually give a shit about "feminism".
>women should get drafted
>women should work while I stay home
>women should abort babies so I don't have to pay child support
Male feminists make sense. If predation is the only reason you can see one would be a male feminist, you're probably a predator.
Are these dateable in game? Because then looks like an excuse to date recent Disney girls.
I can smell the projection made in this image, also in this day and age you will find anons posting "sex with single designated ugly girl" weekly
I don't think that you know what "projection" means
>t. person who drew that image
HETEROSEXUAL MALE DESIRE BAD!!!!!
Cowardly hands typed this. Hands afraid of the diversity female characters can be drawn as.
Yikes
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Objectively correct
The designs are "diverse" but they're still not good. They're just a shallow attempt at mixing up exaggerated anatomy instead building off actual characterization. Look at the powerpuff girls, Muriel Bagg, or Sandy Cheeks not only iconic in appearance but in behavior and personality.
Oh for fricks sake dude, it’s literally just a goddamn example.
Top Row:
>would
Bottom Row:
>would
It's certainly an example, but I'd say it's a bad one because it doesn't feature designs that not only defy the norm, but are also appealing.
Does that sound too picky? I think it's actually the THE MOST important part about this whole discussion, and examples like what you posted distract from it.
The reason why female shapes are less diverse isn't because it's difficult to come up with designs that are different -- it's because it's difficult to come up with designs that are different AND appealing.
We've got the "ugly-cool guys" mainstream aesthetics figured out. If someone had also figured out "ugly-cool girls" mainstream aesthetics, this thread would be dead.
Just throwing out any old wacky design is at best naïve, and at worst smugly sidestepping the difficult part of the design process. It gives people the wrong impression about why the issue exists and how it can be solved.
you should spend less time in life complaining.
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You know it's too easy to flip the script on a man and call him a sexist for making goofy caricatures of women. You cannot win.
I don't think I've ever once seen a man be called sexist for drawing grotesque female characters
That first one is literally just Garnet
SU completely destroyed the animation industry
>none of the fatter girls in that pic sport even more prominent bellies
boo!
Did remind me that I cobbled this together a few weeks ago.
What reality is that? The original said "I hate when this happens" not that it always happens. Examples have been posted in this thread. Nice designs, looks fun, but the point you're trying to make doesn't make any sense and depends on a complete lack of context and understanding.
Complaining about something that's happened a few times compared to the vast majority of times it hasn't isn't a criticism or a statement, it just makes them look like they're whining about a problem that doesn't exist because they aren't creative enough to come up with other content. To not understand something so simple and straightforward depends upon a complete lack of self awareness and a brain.
>a few times
This thread is full of examples. It's a design aesthetic that makes sense and is often encouraged openly. Decades of "ugh another fat dumb husband with hot wife" and token chicks being the same easy and safe design choice and now you're posting to say it isn't common.
>makes them look like they're whining about a problem that doesn't exist because they aren't creative enough to come up with other content.
That's the leap you're making. I can't speak to why of all the criticisms people have about common tropes in cartoons this is the one that warrants this response.
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(t. 95% straight femanon)
See
Nobody wants your ugly scrimblos.
For me it's 6
Make 3, 10, and 15 anthros and I'll be into 'em
From my research, this criticism seems to mostly be people getting mad at strawmen and selective outrage/choosing to ignore things rather than it actually being a systemic problem.
You're projecting imagined engagement towards your own word choice.
The greatest offender in this was always World of Warcraft, but as other anons have pointed out, it also happens elsewhere. Beardless dwarf female is a symptom of this.
Beardless dwarf females are a stupid fricking idea, and Dragon Age Origins was great for letting the men be clean shaven. If you really have to run with dwarfs taking great pride in their beards, have their women not shave their legs or armpits and make it a running gag that dwarf and human men think the other's women would be pretty hot if they just groomed themselves properly.
>bearded
Should be bearded dwarf females are fricking dumb.
>The greatest offender in this was always World of Warcraft
There's a funny bit about that. They announced the next expansion last month, and one of the features is a new subterranean dwarf civilization. Player characters of the race will finally be able to make bearded dwarf females, and naturally this made Cinemaphile very angry.
Nobody likes bearded women because it’s repulsive
Which is why we have the "ugly male/sexy female" trope to begin with. We can't have female characters that the audience doesn't want to frick. That's the only reason why you would make dwarven women slightly muscular versions of Jemma Suicide.
>Jemma Suicide
Whoa that's one hot midge
its called female fragility
It's a mild pet peeve of mine that so many fantasy stories just refuse to give dwarf women beards.
Yeah, they're a fantasy species, you can change whatever the frick you want about them. But goddamn, even "progressive" shows like High Guardian Spice still design the dwarf women as just midget women and won't give them a beard. Come on, man. I thought Lord of the Rings was popular, why is this ignored so much?
Cuz its gross. I want to frick beefy shortstacks not manlets with boobs
>dwarf women with beards
Cringe
>dwarf women with big, fluffy sideburns
Real shit
That makes more sense.
That’s continues the trans agenda instead of being a funny detail glad it’s gone
rent free
Shoot looks like a chimpanzee.
You either suck the troon wiener or help 41% it.
>*glk* *glk* *glk* YOU WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN *glk* *glk* *glk*
would.
>But goddamn, even "progressive" shows like High Guardian Spice still design the dwarf women as just midget women and won't give them a beard.
Progressives have their own reasons for disliking the bearded female dwarf concept. They want people to be able to recognize how much female representation their show has at a glance. Putting a woman in your show is useless if people can't immediately recognize that it is a woman and therefore female representation.
It's basically only English authors Tolkien and Terry Pratchet that did it. Guess that tells you a lot about English women. Covering their faces makes them more attractive.
In my mind, dwarf women should only have beards if it's a "the races don't intermingle" setting. If it's some big city with a hodgepodge of races, or a multicultural society in general, every teen dwarf girl is almost certainly getting shamed into wanting to shave; being willing to keep your beard would be the equivalent of the "pan-African diaspora unity, grow out your dreads and afro as a political statement" types.
>grow out your dreads and afro as a political statement
I thought now it was all about the "unkempt university student dirty-looking afro".
Anyway, dwarves seldom mingle all that much, even outside Tolkien. You mostly only see hot elf barmaids in anime, as racial mingling goes.
Certain beauty standards exist right now because of which culture is or was dominant. This also can change between nations. Japanese cultures used to say that women that looked like porcelain dolls was peak. Some African cultures thought that hourglass shaped women with thick birthing hips was peak beauty.
So in a fantasy setting, you get to decide which culture / species (If you're doing Star Trek "planet of hats" type writing) is the dominant one that decides the beauty standards. You could make it so the dwarves were conquesting little mother frickers who ruled most of the planet at some point. Maybe elves are the strongest and most influential and they think facial hair of ANY kind of disgusting, even on males whether it's dwarven or human.
Exactly. If dwarfs took over, you could even see the other races adopting postiches. What I was getting at specifically is that, in a fairly even mix (say, trading town), I think the popular style would tend towards beardless women just out of the sheer number of races that already are.
a brad is like boobs. It's something that serves no purpose and serves exclusively to distinguish males from females.
That makes it very gross on women.
And it makes no sense as a trait that exists in both sexes.
and before you reply, mammaries are not boobs. A flat chested woman can breastfeed as well as a woman with massive boobs.
> serves exclusively to distinguish males from females.
Which is specifically why it’s used in fantasy sexual dimorphism here, it’s different from our species and provided this alternative cultural ideal of a dwarven people having a different type of dwsrven attraction. Why can you guys realize not every drawing is meant to be a pin-up
>boobs
>serve no purpose and serves exclusively to distinguish males from females.
wanna know how i know your mom never loved you?
Beards provide insulation to the face and neck, which are difficult to cover with clothing that doesn't inhibit breathing or movement. Which is a useful thing to have on a cold mountain.
Making women look like men is not a solution to this
problem.
>Lord of the Rings
I was never much a fan of the books and never watched the movies so I've no idea: are there dwarven women characters?
I thought you were going towards Discworld dwarfs since that's the only world with dwarves I know of where women have beards. It's even a plot point in books centered on the Watch.
I'm not gonna be able to find the exact pages that talks about it, so here's just a summary from a Middle-Earth wiki.
Nifty, thanks. I tried reading those books as a kid since I liked the Bakshi cartoons but they just bored me so I picked up Discworld instead.
The actually pages you are talking about contradict each other. Over his life and letters he changes his mind several times, normal for people crafting a world. At the end of his life he did in fact say only Dwarven men have beards.
People are really obsessed with it though.
>are there dwarven women characters?
Not, actually. Dwarf women exist, but no characters shown.
LotR is a tough (if good) read, but The Hobbit flows great. Would recommend giving it a shot.
Nope
They shouldn't have visible boobs, only dwarves should be able to tell the difference between dwarf sexes
Much as I respect his work, we're already shackled enough by Tolkien. We don't need to conform to every fricking detail, even the joking ones.
>blocks your path
The solution is pretty obvious I think
Give them "beards" for pubic hair
Why are you mad that people aren't mindlessly copying Tolkien? Beards weren't even special in Norse dwarves.
I'm mad people mindlessly copy Tolkien and then stop at bearded women cause that's just way too weird for a fantasy world.
Cinemaphile really is the fricking gayest board around
Nah, they're rivaled by Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile.
Yeah it kinda does tb h, first one that comes to mind is Monkey Wrench. But it's not a big deal
Usually when bottom happens it’s low budget/flash animation and the male characters are all shaped like top third from the left. It’s done less because of sexism and more because of laziness or because the character artist can’t think of how to make an appealing character design without it literally looking like the type of person it’s meant for.
>Exaggerate male proportions - no one cares
>Exaggerate female proportions - suddenly you're sexist
Chillguy's a coward for making Wendy the normie.
>Exaggerate male proportions - no one cares
and whenever they don't and not make them look like roided out freaks, you homosexuals complain
Dipper look like your average fit guy. Mabel wouldn't be able to walk with those hookers. For a fair comparaison, look at Bara arts made by gay men.
That's how you sexualize men.
Men don't want to look at ugly women.
Look at the complaints Cinemaphile had last week about the new emotion in Inside Out 2.
And their solution to this imaginary problem?
>we'll draw a man and call him a girl
I love how to make a decent femboy you just have to do the opposite
>well draw a flat pretty girl and call it a boy
But for a good tomboy, you have to put at least a bit of work on it.
Women don’t want women with interesting yet appealing body types because then they’ll be “too sexualized”. Same reason you can only draw black people one of a few ways. Ironically this is the feminist’s fault. Inoffensive one size fits all design exists because it’s the most attractive you’re allowing publicly. Of course your solution is to make ugly lumps but that shit don’t sell.
The problem is I don't often see that much variety in male body types either, at least relative to the female body types. Artists reasonably tend to want to take shortcuts.
>5 designs all from different media (most having the triangle muscular body shape)
>vs 5 totally not cherry picked designs all by the same artist in the same pic
>Kitty
>a sexy Barbie doll
Nah
>men have identical impossibly muscular body types
>only Nightcrawler is not quite as broad as the rest
>OMG look at the body diversity!
These people are blind, crazy, or lying. Probably all three at the same time.
Colossus is a huge farmboy, Wolverine is known for being a hairy midge who carries tons of metal every step he takes, Cyclops is literally nicknamed "Slim" but he built the frick up from being right.
Y'know, a lot of the time artists will exaggerate differences between the women x-men too. They'll give Psylocke a perfect figure, Ororo a bit tall, bombshell Rogue, short Kitty, and skinny Jean.
So this image isn't really convincing anybody that's already familiar with the X-Men.
Post imagines, however yeah it's obviously bullshit since the top images are all by different artists while the bottom is from the same pin up.
And all those female characters are popular and move merchandise. Let me know how all those ugly female Marvel characters are doing for sales?
Barbie lost enough money by going all "fat girls" with their dolls as it is
They did? I only knew she had that thicc redhead friend.
There was a period 5 or 6 years back where they made Barbie have a fat ass in one spin-off toy line and it was a media firestorm.
>they made Barbie have a fat ass
Depending on what that means, it could have been pretty cash.
Their response to one of the perpetual "you shouldn't reinforce a singular idea of beauty standards" complaints was to spend a couple years introducing new hair colors/styles, skin tones, and body types. From left to right:
>Petite
>Tall
>Curvy
>Original
Curvy's hips are almost twice as wide as the other body types.
Hmmm, they also made her face kinda wide, didn't they?
Still would
Good eye. There's about a pixel or two's worth of extra cheek combined.
Just googled, she's got nice thighs.
>Niece got one of the new "curvy" Barbies for her bday
>Complains about it because none of the other Barbie clothes will fit on her.
Huh, so THAT was the business move
Clever
No shit.
The whole point of Barbie worked off the old "Pay a dollar for the shaver once, pay .50 cents for a pay of blades every week" model. The only way to get MORE money out of that is to make multiple Barbie bodies, but now you have to also buy that many more sets of clothes. Now each Barbie HAS to have her own wardrobe. It's genius.
They're not "Barbie" though. They're fashionistas.
The problem with designing tiny fashion dolls though is not about it looking hot for adult men but that, especially when they were being created, making doll clothes was a pain in the ass. They made the dolls more exaggerated so they still had a feminine shape under the mostly chunky clothing. That's not as much of a problem anymore since the process of making the clothes is done by tiny Chinese children hands to get tiny stitches and details.
barbie dolls dont even look this good
They used to look pretty good, but got the boobs toned down I think
>design unique style girl character
>girls don't buy merch or watch the show
>design cookie cutter cute girly character
>girls go wild and watch the show and buy merch
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.........
This, and it's not only for little girls; grown ass women all flock to the pretty cookie cutter girls too.
Its one of those things women SAY they want but they don't actually mean it; they just see men having something and they have knee-jerk "I want that too" reaction.
More like
>"I want them not to have it >:("
reaction
Fat women want to be thin but don't want to put the work in.
>the work
What work? Just don't be fat. Regardless of what fat acceptance tells you, fat is a choice.
I think it's hilarious when gators ask shit like "what can I eat too lose weight?"
Here's the answer, Tubbo McBlubber: less. That's what you eat to lose weight. You eat less.
It's hard to lose weight and there is so much misinformation out there. People say to just eat 500 fewer calories but all that does is train your body to slow your metabolism. The best way to lose weight is to go on a fast but there are morons out there who scream "starvation mode". It's bullshit they also say you lose more muscle than fat which is also bullshit.
We live in a bad food environment where it's way too easy to get fat and we have junk information that makes losing weight super hard.
I feel bad for the fatties. We definitely need to educate people and change a few things in society at large. But the fat acceptance people are the biggest morons and deserve no sympathy.
>junk information that makes losing weight super hard.
Except, you know. Eating less.
Literally total drama
I wouldn't go that far.
Only for the first gen and even then we still had Beth and Eva
Sadie too
Total Drama has Beth, Eva, Leshawna, Sadie, Staci, Dakotazoid, Dawn, Sugar, Jasmine, Millie, MK
Say what you will about other shows but Total Drama had a good variety in female body shapes across all of its gens
I no longer care to respect what a feminist says. Neither should you. No matter what their point is just tell them a woman's place is not to speak
Most women don't like feminists either
Most feminists don't like feminists. They gatekeep feminism and routinely accuse other women of fauxminism
i want to enjoy female characters that have designs that accentuate the appeal of a woman
i want to enjoy women wearing pretty dresses and feminine outfits, having compassion in their eyes, a heart that is fueled with sweetness and consideration of their actions and words, a figure and ability limit that comes from what sex they're supposed to be, i want to see them react in situations where women would, not a man. i want to like women characters as women characters, i want to root for and invest in them as women characters
Same. I mean yeah, that doesn't mean that the designs must all be the same for every female character, but I hate to see studios going out of their way to make female characters fugly because it's ''realistic''. I hate that the idea those companies have of a female character being strong is to make them behave and look like a man.
Name one cartoon that doing this? In the past 5 years.
These talking points make no sense why complain of a phenomenon that’s not even around it’s like Victorian farmer getting mad at dinosaurs.
You could name one that doesn't.
Yeah exactly so what’s the fricking point of complaining it it doesn’t exists.
Maybe these homosexuals need a reminder.
Show full of weird guys and sexy women shape characters.
To prove you're not a language model AI that has no chance of imagining what it claims doesn't exist.
“You could name one that doesn’t, like he-she man, SU, the homosexual frog show, pantheon, arcane, vox bullshit etc the list goes on”
Eh, I'm calling bullshit.
Female designs only vary because they're literally different ages, different races, different for the sake of being different.
Calling bullshit on that bullshit.
It’s still varied, op imagine can’t apply modern slop why complain? Who is it for? Fart sniffing homosexuals who getting mad at imaginary problems?
If you'd listen, instead of demonstrating your OCPD, you'd know it's about artistic integrity.
Take the Fates from Hercules for example. Traditionally they would be represented as a girl, woman, and crone.
But instead they created 3 different crones with completely different features.
Hercules movie gets all the Titans wrong too. Funnily enough the shitty Hercules tv show Typhon looks closer to original Typhon than the movie version. Disney's approach to character design was simplistic designs highlighting the characters role or quirk in his appearance. So generally heroic characters you were supposed to relate with were physically fit and have large puppy eyes. Meanwhile villains often were slightly off, by being too thin, too fat, droopy eye sacks, tiny eyes etc. And short and fat characters were often the sidekicks or the humorous side characters. Very simple theatre logic at play.
The reason why you don't see that many funny fat ladies in media is because feminists would immediatly b***h about it. For some reason rainbow hairs think that if a female character is anything but perfect, it automatically depicts every woman in existence instead of just funny fat ladies. Men don't whine about stupid shit like that, so its way easier to make funny male characters of all shapes and sizes.
Hercules was from the 90’s.
Glad you agree it was never a problem. So this imaginary girls are same cookie cutter myth never existed.
gays keep throwing up the same bullshit.
Take your absolutes and self-imposed qualifiers to another topic you were never a part of.
Don’t perpetuate shitty non-exsist “”””””takes”””” first homosexual
They're called gloinks; and the only reason you're still here is because you can't leave.
And what character designs are you "throwing up" ?
Cookie cutter female with different aesthetic.
Why did you post it?
Post what
Wouldn't the burden of proof be on them?
>troony bots have no situational awareness
It kind of does happen. More often in videogames.
It happens in cartoons, in toy commercials, and so.
Here for example:
It is what it is. Girls want to watch girls who are pretty. Boys don't want to watch ugly girls.
People are superficial. The designs can be boring and repetitive if you have the eyes to see the patterns. If you don't care about it then it won't bother you.
>Girls want to watch girls who are pretty
This is important. Women often will make female characters pretty or play as samey cute girls in games. Men are much more willing to be weird or goofy looking. The hard truth is most women are boring.
Underrated Disney franchise
Why did they kill it off, anyway?
Disney Fairies was when Disney was having problems, and it brought in the money.
Once they started getting successful again, they stopped making Disney Fairies movies and shifted to more profitable franchises.
To be slightly fair. The boys aren't featured in this franchise almost at all except for those tinker guys that call Tink Ms Bell and then disappear in the first five seconds
God, I miss this franchise.
Why do they hate men? Women are not ugly but 50% of men are ugly.
all women are queens
Women being prettier than men is pretty much a scientific fact outside of America. That’s why it’s easy to tell if someone’s trans. Men are usually uglier most of the time because they have higher levels of testosterone.
Idk Anon, she looks pretty cute to me
eugh
this meme is remade by different artists with a different variation every few weeks to get attention on Twitter
Ouch
this may be one of the best slams i've ever seen online
I'm more concerned about all the girls in a show or movie being boring and having dull personalities. Like all the guys get to act goofy and make jokes and the girl just has to be the "straight man".
Male Gaze theory only exists because women are incapable of realizing that men liking attractive things is a basic part of human biology.
Notice how none of the women who seethe over sexy chicks complain about Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse not looking like the species they are based on? Because it would make their argument look moronic.
what argument?
That women must always have realistic body types and looks no matter what.
Well yeah that’s the point, that there is a lecherous male perspective
I rather have that Bunny.
>men liking attractive things means men have to all like the same body type
>any woman who isn't built like Jessica Rabbit is disgusting and looks like a man
I don't see how people can say this shit and not realize how misandrist it is. This is why anime/manga continues to win because they understand that men can enjoy different body types
Straight men aren't a hivemind, gay
Women can have unrealistic body types without looking like Jessica Rabbit clones. Hell, the OP image doesn't even have any shortstacks or chicks with big boobs, but having sexy women look like clones is supposed to be what's insulting to men.
If you want fat women in media you should support your local African American Artists.
They don't actually draw actual fat women all that much because they get that variety doesn't just mean Lizzo clones.
>actual body diversity, not just a bunch of fat women
>this is supposed to be horrifying to American straight men
Scooby-Doo is a great example of character design diversity while still keeping the characters attractive. Even the shitshow that was Velma still had various appealing girls, but gaylords on Cinemaphile like to act that the only way for a woman to look different is for her to be, not even just a little thick or pudgy, but just full obese. Honestly, the fact that maybe we could have more athletic women, more disabled women, more lanky women, more tomboy and butches, none of that seems to be a possibility for Cinemaphiletards.
You guys are just obsessed with fat women, it's weird.
It's just a bunch of generic wacky designs.
There's a good one.
Is there a version of this like those waifubait animes?
Where women all have different designs, colors, clothes and personalities, while all men have the same "average asian guy" look
Hasnt happened since what 2013?
Betty Boob was 1930s. Oooh slam! Maybe letting people contribute for you wasn't very cash-money of you.
Brilice Timm had one body type for men and one for women saves time
The men look like deformed hideous clown idiots because they can't actually draw manly men, they don't want to acknowledge too much masculinity
They'll never give you what you want.
I aim to dominate people like the artist of that, not care about their choices or opinions. Man's mentality, fictional characters and real people who look like that are below it
Facts
More prevalent long, long ago than today so I'd say it used to be but no longer is.
Every woman in The Flintstones and The Jetsons are identical to one another, for example, and most of the female characters of the crime-solving teens genre are, too. Weirdly, the originator (afaik) of the genre, Scooby Doo, actually has variation in their female characters but all the women from Josie, Jabber Jaw, Dune Buggie, Galloping Ghost (or whatever the one with the ghost character and his cat replacing Scooby was called) and more all look alike.
Cartoons from the later 80s onward have had real variation in the looks of the female characters with a few exceptions.
>They're still here
>Avoiding Cinemaphile material
Women are always the first to hate anyone that stands out from their uniformity.
Speaking collectively is a universal female speech pattern. But it's considered sexist in English Lit.
All shit talking aside, I actually really like tge male designs as a collective. There's some good variety there.
It's bait by idiots who think gender is "a social construct". Meanwhile, I'm expected to believe Scumbug over here is a girl. Nope, the human brain does not work that way.
considering how wildly different insects can be to humans then yeah its possible scumbug over here is a girl
When will this disgusting homosexual bogleech update his fricking comic its been like 10 years and we're not even half-fricking way
Not a question of "possible" but believable. Andromorphic characters need a lot of sexual dimorphism vs feral characters but even then you need to give the female long eyelashes and the like.
Small Saga comes to mind where all the characters just look like animals. Can't tell what is what by the looks.
>but even then you need to give the female long eyelashes
agreed.
Most classic HB anthros are a good example of how different degrees can still look appealing with the right choices.
Yeah, female bear with feminine clothes and features vs her male counterpart despite the same body type. It's the Mickey Mouse/Minnie Mouse thing.
>It's the Mickey Mouse/Minnie Mouse thing.
I think that was more the case with her original pre-Takamoto design, where she almost literally was "Yogi, but blue".
>as himself
>himself
Seems like a really last minute change
It really was. Voiced by men, looks nothing like a female, they were hoping to get gay splinter points but got cold feet. They even doctor'd some of the storyboards by drawing breasts on her to try and claim it wasn't the case.
I mean, say it was an error, how many people did this poster have to go through? I'm supposed to believe none of them caught this? Hell no.
I mean, the joke was more that Splinter falls in love with a giant winged maggot. Regardless of gender, the joke is that Scumbug is really fricking gross, yet Splinter wants to tap that pulsating, venom-dripping cloaca.
Apparently elderly rats can develop Alzheimer's-like symptoms.
Splinter's decisions make a LOT more sense with that in mind...
Normal women want pretty characters they can self insert into. It's fat women or insecure chestlets who want "diverse" female bodies because they have a bunch of self esteem issues they think they can resolve if only the rest of the world thought of them as being "just as cute" as the normal girls. It's making their delusions everyone else's problem. A few body variations done purely for fun is great, but look at every popular female franchise like Disney princesses or sailor moon. Look at your average cookie cutter instagram influencer. Look at every fricking woman having the same goddamn eyebrows right now. Women want to be pretty and fit in, not "be exceptional" or "stand out." This whole cultural anti-beauty-standards zeitgeist is just a massive attempt by abnormal women to make themselves feel on par with the normal women. Instead of going on a diet and hitting the gym, or learning to accept that chestlets are a niche taste, or accept that the way they want to look is abnormal and might repulse most people. Life ain't fair sometimes. Moms who had their bodies ruined by popping out 4 kids are typically the women who finally accept reality. Men used to be better on average at accepting it throughout history, but now even men are starting to pick up this female behavior and demanding things they think they deserve without actually putting in the effort to earn it. Men knew for eons that the hand we're dealt physically is absolute, and we just have to adapt if it's unconventional because malding about it is moronic when you have a life to live and people to support. Why's it so hard for western people in the modern day to just accept that standards will exist no matter what you do? You can never ever get rid of standards, only change them into something else. And there will always be a certain amount of people who don't fit those standards. Sorry, that's life. Don't piss yourself about it on the public stage, that's just a sad display.
>Calls the only different girl "ugly"
Really activates the almonds
Female cast needs a milf and a e-girl.
You were doing so well at "milf".
No, and the homosexual that drew this can't name a single example
To a certain extent i get it but it is a straw man as i have seen alot of shows with different variety of bodyshapes for their female cast
Geez this is generally ugly
I like it. It’s realistic
Now I understand why anime is so hyperstylized..
A moron stylizes anime
A savant stylizes real life
Oda Eiichiro stylizes with Tom & Jerry bullshit
Frick that shit. Those designs are very good. They look like actual people with personalities, not the usual animu mannequins that copy 1000 other shows that all look the same.
Tomoko looks like a scott pilgrim character
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the male cast still looks hotter
>the frats from Monster's University
All women must be drawn slightly overweight, but not in an unattractive way
With the dyke haircut, you know the one
And an expression of confidence
Big breasts not allowed, but ass is tolerated
>ctrl+f One Piece
Why are there so many artists that make these passive aggressive templates or whatever the frick they’re called? Like I remember one that was calling out OK KO.
What was it like?
It was calling out how the characters weren’t sexualized and the drawing was of a normal woman with a disproportionately large ass and thighs.
he's right
Western puritans gotta stop so scared of the female breast, if literally babies can suck milk from those sustainers of life, then the rest of western world can appreciate the importance and beauty of the human female mammary glands
Kek there's a fan worldbuilding project I follow that has some mascy females who often fight topless completely like dudes, and everyone loves it but the creator can barely post it anywhere because of how wretched the female nipple apparently is even when it's blatantly not supposed to be sexualized
The people who make these designs aren't even puritans. They're all "free-love" type individuals that actually believe removing the breasts makes a character design less sexual and more "diverse and body positive".
>"free-love"
that more implies they have an 'anything goes' kind of mindset, which means that women with a variety of chest sizes can co-exist in the same work
also tend to usually be guys
not a lot of those types around in the mainstream American industry these days
>topless
Modern designers are too pucci to even do that!
This what get me, there are so many fun ways you can play with huge breasts in your design, yet since breasts aren't kosher, you are severely limited in what you can do. So much for diversity.
Images like this only prove the notion that "zoomer" really CAN be a state of mind.
The funny part is how people dogpiled on him but he just wants female characters to actually have boobs again, hell he actually appeared in a thread back when this was making the rounds here.
Even the show he's supposedly criticizing has a few female characters who visibly sport them.
Honestly you could use the core message of picrel as a response.
This speaks to how the problem is as deep as your assumption with the image in OP. The original said that they don't like it when it happens. On the surface it's as deep as the opinion that women should be conventionally hot by human standards while men look different. If you're not of that opinion, cool.
I think this is a reminder that a lot if people have a huge problem with OP pic issue because they're pedantic autists, not because they are SJWs or feminists. So bug women with breasts don't make sense because insects aren't mammals. This warrior woman should have more muscles. This character eats so much she shouldn't be skinny. Etc.
Others are fetishists. They want monster-like monster girls or musclegirls or fat girls to jerk it too.
Others just think it's boring.
There are other reasons to not like it.
Flamebait makes easy shares and promotion
No, Cal-Arts characters are no where near that creative, in the 50's in an all male cartoon cast the females would be like that though (minus the ugly broad), usually as a joke near the end credits.
>Designed ugly girl gets more porn than anyone else
It's a good bait technique
That almost perfectly describes John K’s work
Have any of you watched this?
https://fmoviesto.cc/watch-tv/voir-2021-full-75250.5592685
I WANT THE SAME FEMALE BODY TYPE FOR ALL CHARACTERS BUT IT SHOULD BE 7 FT, REALLY BUFF AND WITH F CUP BREASTS
THANK YOU FOR READING MY POST
I read your post, and appreciated it
I want to have sex
Anyone have the Vivzie version?
honestly it feels undeniably true but the thing is that i feel like i cant name any big cartoon examples outside stuff like anime?
Cartoons went that path already, so now they want to bring anime down
Clone High is a good example.
It's possible to give female characters distinctive silhouettes without making them ugly.
Asking for verity in female character designs that match their male counterparts is wrong because, apparently:
>It's actually an evil attack on female beauty in itself to not have every character be porn bait or cute.
>because the evil SJWs want to make all the beautiful women fat and ugly (fat because that's the only alternative to porn bait and cute, apparently).
>A female character isn't "female" if she doesn't have an hourglass figure or an inoffensively mundane, cute look.
I'm sure I missed other counterarguments, but I genuinely struggle to take any of these seriously. All of this is just justifying lazy female character design by horny main artists.
Who's asking for "verity" in female character designs again? Do they spend money?
Women on average don't like characters who aren't conventionally cute. If pressed on the issue they pretend to be "woke" and "empowering" by supporting uggo characters, but they still go home and watch 5 hours of fashion and makeup tiktoks featuring only conventionally attractive instagram models who all look the exact same flavor of "pretty"
What are you gays not getting? There's a bunch of different ways for women to be cute and attractive; if frickers thought like you, we wouldn't get cute girls like Velma and Daphne because they're both attractive but they're not clones of each other.
And yet, girls love Daphne and Velma, which according to you is impossible because women hate variety.
Autism + sexism is a hell of a drug. "Fat phobia" shouldn't be a real thing but if the first thing you think of is My 600 lb Life when asked about designing women characters, then maybe you need to move out of the trailer park.
Velma wasn't hot before the internet.
Velma isn't conventionally hot, she's a plain Jane nerd and not shaped like a model but she's still not
A. Excessively obese
B. Objectively "ugly"
Sure, you may not find her attractive, but you don't need to find every single character in every show attractive because maybe someone else will.
Yeah, Eizouken is a great example of character design variety and Cinemaphiletards would lose their shit if it was Western, according to half of this thread.
To me it's just how their logic is that any female character designed that isn't there to be hot or cute is somehow an attack on beauty/radical propaganda by feminists
I wish I was straw manning them, that's literally what I'm reading
Girls never wanted to be Velma until recently because frumpy chubby nerds weren't considered hot until now. You'd know this if you were older than 30
>until now
>he thinks nerd girls were invented in 2023
Anon, Velma has been the most popular plain Jane with girls way before the Internet became commonplace in the 2000s. Plus, her style and looks was clearly based off popular 60s styles since, you know, that's when Scooby-Doo came out, so frumpy 60s girls were already self-inserting into her.
>older than 30
I bet you don't even remember dial-up and free AOL CDs, little zoomer-ass punk b***h
Are you implying girls WANTED to be Velma? Because that's my argument. That no, girls wanted to be daphne. Literally nobody gave a shit about velma except fat copers, even losers back in the day turned their nose up at her. Girls want to be the prettiest girl EVERY time. And they always will, because that's how women are. No matter how much you seethe and no matter how much the current era tries to gaslight everyone about "beauty standards"
Overwatch, it's a game play annoyance cause half the female cast have similar outlines
I am tired of pretending Males aren't more interesting looking by default in almost any media
I agree
it's callesd being gay, indeed, stop pretending and come out of the closet
from what i noticed most people consider male traits to be inherently monstrous and thus dont call a big, buff, hairy creature "basically just a painted man with some racial traits" because of bias
Men don't mind characters like the Beast because they look fricking cool. You get the luxury of looking like a monster as long as it's cool.
I think chicks get the notion, too.
Literally the three witches in Macbeth
A lot of designers are operating off the assumption that men will only like female characters if they're hot, which is fair- but they think that means they should make all their characters conventionally hot. The truth is that men will find them hot no matter what if the show is fun to watch and you should just go nuts
I find it funny that co is arguing against this (with dogshit moral gay arguments like a twitter troony no less)
Because from where I stand, co is THE PRIME example of how female characters who're designed as characters first tend to be more sexually alluring to nerds online then your avarage flavor of the month
It's because they don't want to agree, they want to discredit because to accept the premise is to start to see why they would have a problem with it. It would mean that what you like has an element of triteness to it. There wouldn't be a problem if it was pointed out and celebrated, but instead there's an element of criticism that can be dismissed as someone getting upset at gore in a horror film. If someone says "I don't like this" the answer should be "okay cool" but Cinemaphile is full of autists.
looks like a Doobus Goobus drawing
Foodfight
>Does this really happen
If the character designers and the people in charge are doing their job properly.
Fixed that for you.
LMAO
>successful shows are all made by men
MLP
The rest of the first paragraph is generally right, though.
Male characters get Unique designs because males are the target demographic for most things, successful shows are all made by men, and doing to much with women in any direction is a lose/lose situation. Too pretty? Sexist. Too ugly? Misogynist. Distinct features? Fetish pandering. Liking girly things? Stereotyping. Not liking girly things? "write a man, call it a woman." Just as in real life, there are not allowed to be good women characters because real women hate each other and themselves.
From a writing standpoint, women are side characters and if they are the main character it's because they're acting like a man, and that turns into the entire story.
That said, is it JUST women just pulling this shit, or do you also intend to refer it in a "state of mind" sort of manner as well?
In the game she is ten times more muscular, it's ridiculous.
I don't understand the question. The behavior of any group is a product of both biological and societal evolution from before man was even its own species. If trans women were women, then we wouldn't be calling them trans. I hope I answered your question.
>I don't understand the question.
It's pretty simple. Can "woman" also be as much a state of mind? One that gives us characters like Abby.
>If trans women were women, then we wouldn't be calling them trans.
True, though that's beside my point.
No, woman is a physical description. One half of the reproductive dichotomy.
I think Druckmann's pretty based for being able to sneak in his fetish under the guise of "empowerment" or whatever.
In a sense it reminds me of Motomu Toriyama and how he justified his waifu Lightning by comparing her to a bunch of roses (picrel).
its the truth
a woman with an unusual body shape is always ugly, most especially because its a choice she makes
Minerva got (figuratively) fricked over quick. Even back then she was 'too sexy' for TV.
Lola fared better because movies weren't (aren't?) held to the same standards for some reason.
>Does this really happen or is this just a strawman someone created to get mad at and farm interactions?
Yes that happened back then.. especially video games & animes
I don't care what some fat dyke rage farming on the internet thinks.
No one wants to see fat ugly women, not even other women.
Film at 11.
If the anthro's a girl, it doesn't matter what different combo of features there is (lashes, breasts, large hips etc.)
It'll get me going regardless.
This is the way it should be. Women are boring and men are hot.
Only women complain about this because only women are jealous of fictional females.
It's a funny design trend though. It doesn't make sense. Sure some may be jealous, some may want representation like straight white men do, others just like design consistency. Some men don't like that kind of pandering.
moron.
There's another group jealous of fictional females for that, though.
>this image sends the female brain into flight or fight mode
Lol
Males and females don't like the inconsistent design in cartooning. Even John K does it and he's an advocate for cartoons cartoons. He also declared "I make cartoons for MEN!!" and that's fine, but it highlights why this happens, who is being pondered to. And pandering is fine and it's fine to not like this kind of pandering, male or female, straight or gay.
People like seeing attractive characters and it turns out there is basically a universal standard of attractiveness regarding women. Who knew?
With men it's not about being attractive, it's about having character. Mario isn't a short fat plumber because women find that hot, it's because men can easily relate and the charm of an average working man is more universal than a short fat average working woman. A pretty princess is also more generally appealing.
But why would children's television care about what adult men want to look at?