In the video game he claims he designed his torture lair to be perfectly safe if the police came in following proper police protocols, since Danny Glover and Asian came without a warrant and without any backup. Saw II kind of undermines it by having him booby trap his place and electrocuting the swat team. A random crime scene paramedic-person also gets javelin'd in Saw 4. I'm okay with him being an ass to cops who play dirty but the dude is inconsistent.
If you create a scenario where people can get hurt or die intentionally you absolutely can and will get charged for murder
This is stupid and proves saw is made for iq deficient individuals such as yourself
>intentionally
Jigsaw never "intentionally" kills anyone. As he says, he despises murderers. He leaves the choice up to them. That's his code.
Additionally self defense requires intent and an awareness of the danger to your life, and a booby trap harms indiscriminately.
Jigsaw is a master engineer and probably designed the self-defense mechanism as he was being pursued. It's the same thing as firing back at someone who shot you.
He always leaves a way to escape from his traps. Whether they live or die is up to them.
There being a non-zero possibility of escape is irrelevant and changes nothing, he's still guilty of murder. It's like claiming somebody blowing your head off with a .45 isn't murder just because there was a chance the gun would jam.
Not to mention about 98% of the traps in the franchise are inescapable anyway.
the reason it’s illegal is because emergency services may need to enter your property for legitimate reasons
no one wants fire fighters and medics being executed by booby traps
In the UK and a few similar "countries", if a burglar comes into your home and cuts themselves stealing your kitchen knives, they can genuinely take you for all you're worth.
Strap me to a nuke and send me at londanistan
>A booby trap may be defined as any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of a person making contact with the device. This term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production of toxic fumes or gases.
>If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.
>An Illinois man who had a shotgun booby-trap that killed a neighbor last year was convicted on Thursday of murder and another charge, according to media reports. A Union County jury found William Wasmund, 48, guilty of first-degree murder and aggravated battery in the death of Jeff Spicer, The Southern Illinoisian reported.
This scene alone, ONE OF THE FIRST KILLS IN THE WHOLE SERIES, is 1st degree murder.
>your honor, it says so in the movie!
you'd be laughed out of the courtroom
leave this to the professionals okay
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>dismissing video evidence of the crime
Don't quit your day job.
7 months ago
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>thinks a movie would be even considered as evidence
leave this to the scholars with years of training, eventually they'll figure this out eventually
7 months ago
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Are you saying the events of the movie are not factual? That things did not occur as we saw them?
7 months ago
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>Are you saying the events of the movie are not factual? That things did not occur as we saw them?
Have you ever seen Joker (2019)? Ever hear of unreliable narrators?
7 months ago
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Jigsaw himself narrates his crimes in the movies.
7 months ago
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How do you know that's John Kramer's voice? It could be a corrupt cop with a voice modulator and a face mask trying to frame him
7 months ago
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Because the movies tells us it's him.
7 months ago
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No they don't. Again, what you see in a movie doesn't necessarily depict the truth. Movies are fiction, and can portray events inaccurately and deceptively. Don't take what you see in movies as gospel. It's up to the viewer to look beyond the screen and come up with their own conclusion.
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>It's up to the viewer to look beyond the screen and come up with their own conclusion.
So you admit you're just literally making things up rather than accepting the facts as we know them.
7 months ago
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It is you who are making things up, my friend. The only "fact" here is that Jigsaw is not a murderer.
7 months ago
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Except he is, the movies show us that he is.
7 months ago
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Narrators have been known to be unreliable, and are not admissable in court for this reason.
He's innocent.
7 months ago
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If you accept this principle then you can't say he's innocent, as anyone can believe whatever they want to believe.
Solipsism is a moronic philosophy.
7 months ago
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I don't need to prove his innocence, let alone claim it. It is implicitly assumed until proven otherwise (which has not occurred).
Just like I'm implicitly assuming you to be innocent of child molestation.
7 months ago
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The movies themselves admit and show that he is guilty.
7 months ago
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They are jests. Inadmissable jocularity.
7 months ago
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what about the comic then?
7 months ago
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I've never heard of it (I am an expert witness)
7 months ago
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ok, how about the ride?
7 months ago
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how many people have died on the ride, and how many people have come out unscathed?
7 months ago
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>how many people have died on the ride
Four
7 months ago
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I see. It's imperceptible that amusement park rides have risks and danger attached. I now believe Kramer is guilty of four murders.
7 months ago
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what i see is a recreation of events used to slander the good name of Jiggy. It just wont hold up and might even damage the case further
7 months ago
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>leave this to the professionals okay
and the professionals all agree that Jigsaw is the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time KEKE
7 months ago
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>All those horror films with "based on a true story" slapped on are actually made by murderers using them to get away scott free
it all makes sense now
How do you even know Jigsaw designed that mechanism in your webm? Maybe it was a bunch of crazy high schoolers that were trying to prank each other.
I ask again, the charges, officer?
>Hello, anon. >You've spent your evenings peeing in your sink because you're too lazy to flush the toilet, causing unknown damage to your apartment's piping systems, hindering those around you. >Now it's your turn to be hindered. >In 3 minutes, molten lead will be pumped into your urethra.
former janitor of 3 months at NYMC, judges were always quietly whispering to each other in the halls regarding jigsaw, let's just say they never looked to happy
for a second i thought that perhaps he could be nailed for putting the key to the reverse beartrap inside the guy's stomach in Saw 1 for desecration of a corpse, but i remembered that the guy was actually alive and heavily sedated, not dead. I honestly don't know how he could be charged.
>frail old man suffering late stage cancer was able to kidnap and carry all those participants
Holy shit more proof that Saw movies are garbage and taht Jiggy is the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time!
This, starting the game is implied consent to whatever happens from there. Ask any police officer the things you consent to by getting a driver's license, it holds up in court time and time again and would go no differently for Mr. Kramer.
This. These people are essentially committing suicide by choosing to play the game, and all Mr. Kramer has ever done is try to help these suicide victims out of their impending death. He tries so hard to save people and give them something to live for. It makes me cry. Rather than being taken to court, he should be taken to the White House as an expert advisor to help with the suicide epidemic of this generation.
>Rather than being taken to court, he should be taken to the White House as an expert advisor to help with the suicide epidemic of this generation.
Actually the canadian government already recruited him
>he kidnapped them
Proof? >unwilling
As stated, they chose to play his game. And they could have escaped the "traps" at any time, Jigsaw even tries to help them by telling them how. The choice to die was theirs.
At the very least Jiggy would be charged with Drugging and Kidnapping his victims, as well as False Imprisonment. Also, Im not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain that him having subordinates working underneath him to carry out his plans would open him up to charges relating to organized crime and conspiracy type charges. If Kramer did get arrested and his case went to a court trial, his lawyer would likely want kramer to plead insanity, but he never would (knowing what we know about Kramer and how strongly he believes in his work as Jigsaw).
Well actually, if you're being realistic they would get him on a lot of minor and obscure stuff and try to do everything in their power to make sure he goes away for a long time, because his operations naturally got him on the bad side of a lot of people.
The ultimate red pill is that Billy the Puppet is actually responsible for all the murders throughout the series.
It's a Ventriloquist from Batman situation, think about it.
Makes sense. These people trying to frame an old man with late stage cancer with incredible feats like kidnapping and murder sickens me. The puppet makes far more sense. He's the one that appears on the video tapes, and has a markedly different voice than Kramer.
even if you assembled the greatest team of lawyers ever and they managed to make a charge stick, so what? he'll spend a few months in juvie and have his record expunged when he turns 18
So that's where my nightmare comes from where the movie screen opens up to reveal a bunch of saw traps and audience members get picked. I can never figure out the puzzle because reading in dreams is impossible.
pretty sure he sliced that asian cops neck open in the first movie
In the video game he claims he designed his torture lair to be perfectly safe if the police came in following proper police protocols, since Danny Glover and Asian came without a warrant and without any backup. Saw II kind of undermines it by having him booby trap his place and electrocuting the swat team. A random crime scene paramedic-person also gets javelin'd in Saw 4. I'm okay with him being an ass to cops who play dirty but the dude is inconsistent.
If you create a scenario where people can get hurt or die intentionally you absolutely can and will get charged for murder
This is stupid and proves saw is made for iq deficient individuals such as yourself
>intentionally
Jigsaw never "intentionally" kills anyone. As he says, he despises murderers. He leaves the choice up to them. That's his code.
Jigsaw is a master engineer and probably designed the self-defense mechanism as he was being pursued. It's the same thing as firing back at someone who shot you.
There being a non-zero possibility of escape is irrelevant and changes nothing, he's still guilty of murder. It's like claiming somebody blowing your head off with a .45 isn't murder just because there was a chance the gun would jam.
Not to mention about 98% of the traps in the franchise are inescapable anyway.
He always leaves a way to escape from his traps. Whether they live or die is up to them.
He simply gave him a choice.
The cop was trespassing private property without a warrant.
I break into your apartment, slip, break my neck and die, are you a murderer?
In a lot of countries, yes. Or at the very least manslaughter.
It's extremely dumb.
the reason it’s illegal is because emergency services may need to enter your property for legitimate reasons
no one wants fire fighters and medics being executed by booby traps
Additionally self defense requires intent and an awareness of the danger to your life, and a booby trap harms indiscriminately.
In the UK and a few similar "countries", if a burglar comes into your home and cuts themselves stealing your kitchen knives, they can genuinely take you for all you're worth.
Strap me to a nuke and send me at londanistan
>A booby trap may be defined as any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of a person making contact with the device. This term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production of toxic fumes or gases.
>If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.
>An Illinois man who had a shotgun booby-trap that killed a neighbor last year was convicted on Thursday of murder and another charge, according to media reports. A Union County jury found William Wasmund, 48, guilty of first-degree murder and aggravated battery in the death of Jeff Spicer, The Southern Illinoisian reported.
This scene alone, ONE OF THE FIRST KILLS IN THE WHOLE SERIES, is 1st degree murder.
jigbros... o-our response!?!?
He's a sovereign citizen, such laws don't apply to him
>never charged
>never taken to court
looks like someone didn't read the tie-in novels
>tie-in novels
Obviously a farce constructed by the puppet and corrupt cops
the puppet only made the movies, the cops only made the comic, that leaves Zeke at the mastermind behind the novels.
wont stick, not his property and no evidence he set it up
It literally is, it's confirmed in the movie he invested in real estate and owned properties all over the city.
>your honor, it says so in the movie!
you'd be laughed out of the courtroom
leave this to the professionals okay
>dismissing video evidence of the crime
Don't quit your day job.
>thinks a movie would be even considered as evidence
leave this to the scholars with years of training, eventually they'll figure this out eventually
Are you saying the events of the movie are not factual? That things did not occur as we saw them?
>Are you saying the events of the movie are not factual? That things did not occur as we saw them?
Have you ever seen Joker (2019)? Ever hear of unreliable narrators?
Jigsaw himself narrates his crimes in the movies.
How do you know that's John Kramer's voice? It could be a corrupt cop with a voice modulator and a face mask trying to frame him
Because the movies tells us it's him.
No they don't. Again, what you see in a movie doesn't necessarily depict the truth. Movies are fiction, and can portray events inaccurately and deceptively. Don't take what you see in movies as gospel. It's up to the viewer to look beyond the screen and come up with their own conclusion.
>It's up to the viewer to look beyond the screen and come up with their own conclusion.
So you admit you're just literally making things up rather than accepting the facts as we know them.
It is you who are making things up, my friend. The only "fact" here is that Jigsaw is not a murderer.
Except he is, the movies show us that he is.
Narrators have been known to be unreliable, and are not admissable in court for this reason.
He's innocent.
If you accept this principle then you can't say he's innocent, as anyone can believe whatever they want to believe.
Solipsism is a moronic philosophy.
I don't need to prove his innocence, let alone claim it. It is implicitly assumed until proven otherwise (which has not occurred).
Just like I'm implicitly assuming you to be innocent of child molestation.
The movies themselves admit and show that he is guilty.
They are jests. Inadmissable jocularity.
what about the comic then?
I've never heard of it (I am an expert witness)
ok, how about the ride?
how many people have died on the ride, and how many people have come out unscathed?
>how many people have died on the ride
Four
I see. It's imperceptible that amusement park rides have risks and danger attached. I now believe Kramer is guilty of four murders.
what i see is a recreation of events used to slander the good name of Jiggy. It just wont hold up and might even damage the case further
>leave this to the professionals okay
and the professionals all agree that Jigsaw is the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time KEKE
>All those horror films with "based on a true story" slapped on are actually made by murderers using them to get away scott free
it all makes sense now
How do you even know Jigsaw designed that mechanism in your webm? Maybe it was a bunch of crazy high schoolers that were trying to prank each other.
I ask again, the charges, officer?
The movie tells us he did.
Didn't they find a bunch of his designs in one of the movies
It was self defense. Those cops were going to kill him.
Saw tards are low iq
There are no boobies in that trap, that's a string trap.
Check and mate, jiggy walks
I don't see Jiggy with a gun pointing at the cop's head to force him down the hallway.
actually his billy puppet is right behind him, you just couldn't see because of the camera angle.
Really we need to put Billy in court instead.
worst you could charge him with is kidnapping shotguns
>choose to trespass on someone else's property
>owner defends their property
>HURR DURR YOU'RE A CRIMINAL
This conveniently doesn't apply to Israel, right?
The knife did it.
He was given a choice. He chose to become a cop and accepted the risks. Jigsaw never killed anyone
Another thread dedicated to Jiggy, the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time. YAY
>Hello, anon.
>You've spent your evenings peeing in your sink because you're too lazy to flush the toilet, causing unknown damage to your apartment's piping systems, hindering those around you.
>Now it's your turn to be hindered.
>In 3 minutes, molten lead will be pumped into your urethra.
Urine doesn't ruin the pipes in an apartment
The toilet drain pipe and the sink drain pipe both lead to the same junction.
could you prosecute jigsaw for this? it seems unlikely to me
Prosecution is unnecessary because Jigsaw is the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time.
He's not a villain tho, the real villain are the players and their misdeeds
Like yours, Anon.
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They can trace the pee back to its source anon, they know
How? Do they swim up the stream like piranhas do?
king of Cinemaphile
kidnapping
>Want to play a little game
>Yes, and you just lost at the game
>(Frick this guy is good)
Does anyone have the ending credit scene for SAW X? I fricking missed it
Sounds like a case of epic bad luck
manslaughter
negligent manslaughter
involuntary manslaughter
building code violations
Giving people choices is not a crime. In fact it's the opposite.
former janitor of 3 months at NYMC, judges were always quietly whispering to each other in the halls regarding jigsaw, let's just say they never looked to happy
for a second i thought that perhaps he could be nailed for putting the key to the reverse beartrap inside the guy's stomach in Saw 1 for desecration of a corpse, but i remembered that the guy was actually alive and heavily sedated, not dead. I honestly don't know how he could be charged.
Maybe charge him for forcefully shoving a key down the guys throat?
*I put a gun to Jigsaw's head*
*I pull the trigger*
*Bullet blows his brain out*
The gun killed him, not me. I rest my case, your honour.
Jigsaw never directly harmed anyone without acting in self defense
Cool, neither did that anon in the hypothetical you're replying to. Scot free.
>you are free to go mister Jigsaw
literally me
He commits tons of crimes in every single movie, you must be stupid.
Those laws chose to be broken
Why doesn't he make it a business?
A luxury day spa to make you feel alive and appreciate it?
Could he realistically get away with suing the careless suicide "victims" in the movies for libel and slander? They basically ruin his reputation.
Does he own all those buildings he sets up his games in? Looks like squatting and trespassing to me.
Nah I'm pretty confident he still kidnapped them and put them in endangering situation
Where's your proof, detective?
Uhh, watch the movies. We have it all on tape.
All I saw was Dr. Gordon, Amanda, and Hoffman committing crimes. They're the real villains.
so you're saying this frail old man suffering late stage cancer was able to kidnap and carry all those participants?
I'm not saying that, the movies are.
>frail old man suffering late stage cancer was able to kidnap and carry all those participants
Holy shit more proof that Saw movies are garbage and taht Jiggy is the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time!
>Hello, I want to play a game
>Nah don't feel like it
>O-okay..
It's that easy, don't give in to peer pressure kids
This, starting the game is implied consent to whatever happens from there. Ask any police officer the things you consent to by getting a driver's license, it holds up in court time and time again and would go no differently for Mr. Kramer.
>starting the game is implied consent
erm that's problematic
This. These people are essentially committing suicide by choosing to play the game, and all Mr. Kramer has ever done is try to help these suicide victims out of their impending death. He tries so hard to save people and give them something to live for. It makes me cry. Rather than being taken to court, he should be taken to the White House as an expert advisor to help with the suicide epidemic of this generation.
>Rather than being taken to court, he should be taken to the White House as an expert advisor to help with the suicide epidemic of this generation.
Actually the canadian government already recruited him
Except the movies show they didn't consent because he kidnapped them and they were unwilling.
>he kidnapped them
Proof?
>unwilling
As stated, they chose to play his game. And they could have escaped the "traps" at any time, Jigsaw even tries to help them by telling them how. The choice to die was theirs.
>Proof?
The movies. What more proof is needed?
Still taking the movies as gospel I see. You're too close-minded. Leave this to the experts.
Who is Kramer without the movies? Where are the novels written about his life?
If you're saying the movies aren't accurate than it's impossible to believe anything. You are denying reality.
Hey kramer, cool contraption! Why don't you come and show it off at the white house!
>You sat in front of a computer instead of going outside
>YOU DESERVE TO DIE
Really?
He is so fricking guilty
They would absolutely fry this boomer
At the very least Jiggy would be charged with Drugging and Kidnapping his victims, as well as False Imprisonment. Also, Im not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain that him having subordinates working underneath him to carry out his plans would open him up to charges relating to organized crime and conspiracy type charges. If Kramer did get arrested and his case went to a court trial, his lawyer would likely want kramer to plead insanity, but he never would (knowing what we know about Kramer and how strongly he believes in his work as Jigsaw).
its fricking crazy how this homie has literally been dead for a decade longer than he was alive and still gets an insane amount of screen time
And during all that screen time, Jiggy does nothing but prove that he is the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time *YIKES*
He crossed state lines
yes
*doesn't commit a single crime*
5 counts of Orange Foolery.
x2 count of being in a peach
But was it the last peach?
If the movies are fake then so is Kramer so you've effectively doomed him to a state of limbo.
They're so out of arguments that they're actually saying you have to ignore the movies for the argument to make sense.
can you elaborate on that?
kidnapping? Drugging and tasing people to bring them back to his warehouses where the traps are set up?
his only crime there was crossing state lines
Which, once again, proves that Jiggy is guilty of being the Worst Horror Movie Villain of All Time.
Well actually, if you're being realistic they would get him on a lot of minor and obscure stuff and try to do everything in their power to make sure he goes away for a long time, because his operations naturally got him on the bad side of a lot of people.
Essentially performing surgical operations on people and inserting keys into them after you've kidnapped them probably constitutes something.
The ultimate red pill is that Billy the Puppet is actually responsible for all the murders throughout the series.
It's a Ventriloquist from Batman situation, think about it.
Makes sense. These people trying to frame an old man with late stage cancer with incredible feats like kidnapping and murder sickens me. The puppet makes far more sense. He's the one that appears on the video tapes, and has a markedly different voice than Kramer.
Except the movies tell us that Kramer did it.
The movies were made by the puppet to frame Kramer, think about it
That's not what the movies say.
exactly
These movies along with Resident Evil are slopkino
even if you assembled the greatest team of lawyers ever and they managed to make a charge stick, so what? he'll spend a few months in juvie and have his record expunged when he turns 18
He's so cool
Would Jigsaw have actually hugged the guy who made his wife miscarry if he didn't come at him with hostility after escaping?
Would you hug Jigsaw if you just went through the knife chair?
I'd keep a knife, hug him, then stab the ever living frick out of him and cut his head off.
Why would you do that to an innocent man?
Enjoy being dropped into a razor wire bush.
well worth it to cull the greatest psychopath of our generation
I wouldn't do anything.
I would listen to what JigC had to say.
And that's what no one did.
Yes. Jigsaw only wants what's best for people.
Remember that scene from Saw 3D where a giant pigman kidnaps someone from the audience?
That was crazy.
So that's where my nightmare comes from where the movie screen opens up to reveal a bunch of saw traps and audience members get picked. I can never figure out the puzzle because reading in dreams is impossible.
ALL I NEED IS THE SEED AND THE FEED
AND TO CHUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOUUU