>bismuth is shown to be the one who attacked Lapis and ultimately responsible for her ending up in the mirror for thousands of years
>never brought up or addressed ever again
>lapis has 0 reaction to meeting bismuth again
why did they show us this?
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Bismuth attacked her from behind so she never really got a good look at her.
you could say that, but this is the visual memory that lapis showed to steven
guess OP didn't really consider that when making this thread. OOPS
also she looked right at her, bismuth attacked her from the front but she tried to flee
Yeah for like a split second
>Bismuth attacked her from behind
Very black-coded
Maybe she knows it was a Bismuth but not that Bismuth?
Bro, that's HER MEMORY
>HER memory
>Memory is fuzzy and undefined
shouldn't bismuth be the one to recognize her and apologize?
You ever get frustrated at how often Ian and Rebecca dodge the question if there is intelligent life in SU
>Define Intelligent Life
>Non Gem
>So. Living. As in if the Gems were to see it their instinctive coded purpose is to kill it on site
>Wait...thats not what I,,,
>The existence of non gems in the galaxy means there are other alien races
>And if the Gems are coded for conquest and believe in supremacy
>That means they partook in genocide
>ACTUALLY ON SECOND THOUGHT ALL GEM CONQUERED WORLDS ARE ABANDONED
>But you just said there is Intelligent life in the...
>AMA OVER
Everytime. It shows Rebecca didnt watch her own show.
I feel like steven universe was a too many cooks situation
same thing happened to adventure time and star vs, every writer has their own ideas and plot points they wanna inject and it turns into a barely cohesive mess
It wasn’t too many cooks. All those things were Becky’s decisions and the fact that she keeps talking about those things in podcast means she’s just doubling down.
my headcanon is that the gems were artificial intelligence meant to take over a star system or two but then their progenitor race, for whatever reason, died out. Now they act as little more than automatons not necessarily conquering worlds but outright killing and purging all life due to the progenitor race's extreme fixation towards racism and control.
it's also in my headcanon that at some point one of these progenitors learned how to pass on their souls/genes/bodies into a new gem form as their race was going to go extinct due to gem army based in-fighting, both explaining why no one knows how Stephen is a gem and consequently why no one seems to give a frick about this huge plot point to begin with. it also explains why the gems have free will despite, quite literally, being described as being "programmed".
I bet if Stephen found out he'd cry or something and I'd probably make fun of him on account of the sheer fricknuts level of galactic genocide I've seen across the multiverse being a schi/x/o
I love how every autistic headcanon about steven universe I see on Cinemaphile is still somehow better than what we got in the show
hazbin hotel fans have this dilemma too but a hundred times worse
The issue with that is the Progenitor race are the Diamonds which need I remind you are sentient streams of light and consciousness. Its like the creation of reality in the bible where White was the 1st stream of light that existed as soon as the big bang took place and then thru either bordom or lonliness created her 3 daughters, Yellow, Pink and Blue whom then created entire civilizations of gems.
that sounds like pseudo cult nonsense that "muh superior racial genes" people would bastardize into the psyche despite 0 evidence or reason
In fairness, Gems have no concept of free will and even as late as SU: The Movie and Future some gems actually prefer to be evil and think the whole notion that Pink's super power is gaslighting people on a cellular level makes her a freak and a traitor to their kind
If Future continued there is a whole cavalcade of Gems who prefer the old method. A large majority of the Lapis's, a large majority of the Ruby's, Holly Blue Agate who has to keep her disgust in private, and Aqua Marine.
leave it to an all female race to hate for no reason like they're in their period. yeah about my ex wife, AM I RIGHT FELLAS??
>canned laughter
This was originally the plan and the signs are all there! Just watch the Watermelon Steven episode and notice the parallels.
>Steven creates a race of Golems which follow his orders but are too dangerous when left unchecked and see everything as a threat to their creator, forcing their creator to command them to leave until they learn loyalty
Swap out Steven for the creator of the Gems and there's your origin story.
Also the Cluster was actually going to be a total fricking eldritch abomination and Rebecca even drew what its original design was gonna be but im guessing since Sugar blows all her animation budget on expensive record artists to larp as mid voice actors and adding to that Miller taking one look at that design and saying "No. Redraw it thats not child friendly" even tho no child is actually watching Sugar's show
Nope. The cluster is just one enormous hand of broken gems that occasionally pokes its way to the surface because without it the earth's core would split down the middle
I can fix her
This is so metal
Whta the frick happened and why it turn into a hand
Probably didn’t want another giant monster fight
>culmination of the series is a giant monster fight & cry hug
Still went right back to that & still fricked it up.
the cluster's another thing that pisses me off
they dedicated a whole-ass arc to containing it because they said it would be larger than the earth when it formed, effectively destroying the planet. It was integral to Peridot's redemption arc. It was a huge moment when steven managed to befriend it, convince it not to form ,and then help it to stop forming.
And then it forms a few seasons later, and all it does is arm wrestle the diamonds ship and goes back to sleep.
Like there's no way the Gems aren't artificial lifeforms, they literally reproduce using drills and terraforming planets into Kindergardens.
Why is she scared of the gems doing villain shit? There’s obvious dbz influences in the show, and we all know what the saiyans were like. That doesn’t mean Goku is a bad guy or that Bejita’s redemption wasn’t worth it, etc.
Because its clear either by her own moronic belief system or a combination of being ordered to by Miller SU had to change its original concept about a show about a boy who fights corrupted gem monsters to lock away in storage to a show about how crying solves all your problems and how violence should never instinctively be one's first answer to problems
Because Sugar started getting more into israeli beliefs and teachings as she grew older, and as a israeli anon myself, I think it was easily the dumbest mistake she ever made from a writing standpoint. Steven Universe is drenched in israeli/Christian themes, motifs, and imagery, but focusing on pro-pacifism as the central point smothered everything else in the crib, especially when it got to the point of
where it wasn't willing to actually be mature about the idea of pacifism or practical (a better show that did pacifism right was Wander over Yonder)
Pro Pacifism falls apart as a concept when you learn and are forced to accept that gems cannot be held accountable for their actions. Even Rose's team which has lasted countless lifetimes can simply be factory reset
Now, granted, those memories dont go away its like storing them on a subconscious flashdrive but the fact that its just that easy means anything the gems tell you about "experiences" is all bullshit because theyre programmed to say commands they are instructed to say
Why do you think Rose left Spinel on that Asteroid. She waited 6 million years and only left because Steven thru rose gave her the command prompt to come to earth
Don't forget that although kinda fricked up in its own way, a lesser alternative to shattering exists in the form of bubbling gems. Being kept in stasis is a form of hell in its own right BUT AT LEAST IT ISN'T PERMANENT DEATH
>too bad the show never has a discussion on this topic
>Steven never fixed the Cluster
>The Cluster is still a gigantic amalgamation of broken gems that lives inside the earths core even tho Steven released all the Gems in the vault to chill in Blue Diamond's veganal sweat to cure their corruption
>Not the Cluster tho. Thats just fricked
In Future, Yellow is fixing gem shard monsters, so who knows she might eventually be able to undo the Cluster.
THE CLUSTER WAS HER FRICKING PROJECT
SHE WANTED TO DESTROY EARTH BECAUSE PERIDOT REFUSED TO FINISH THE JOB
Sure, the Cluster may be an abomination made from the collective tortured souls of countless gems but after Steven basically asked them why they don't simply just get to know each other, their untold hellish agony isn't really all that bad after all!
The issue with pacifism/empathy as taught by Judaism is that although noble and something beautiful, in practice it leads to disaster because people would rather choose to die or keel over to abuse than have basic self-preservation instincts since they're afraid of the what-if that could happen when they die.
Think about the whole issue with Lapis/Jasper as Malachite and how it's supposed to be parallel to a mutually abusive/self destructive relationship. It willfully ignores the fact that Jasper is the abuser in the dynamic and instead goes "wow, Lapis is just as bad because she's attacking Jasper too isn't that awful and self-harming" while also ignoring that Lapis' motive in fusing with Jasper is to protect Steven and keep Jasper away from him (since NOTHING could actually poof Jasper short of Pink Steven).
ALL of Steven Universe has this throughline of "attacking or killing your enemy is just as bad as being the abuser yourself, you should do the right thing instead" except it shuts down arguments like
>okay, but what if a bully/abuser/killer doesn't want to stand down and never will, can't be stopped through nonviolent/etc means, and is knowingly doing what they do
>SHUT UP LALALALALALA THAT KIND OF LOGIC DOESN'T EXIST HERE
That's why White Diamond HAS to be beat through being embarrassed and not anything else. That's why Jasper is more or less ignored thematically by the narrative. That's why jerks like Kevin are given more loathing (because pacifism still can't stop scumbags) than space tyrants.
The whole idea is that Gems crave instruction and Steven hates how gems refuse to think for themselves because they believe in the command or a higher authority. Even with how much of a shithole Homeworld is, the Diamonds dont force them to stay there. Theyre free to conquer whatever they planet they choose in the name of homeworld and chill out there
Jasper wanted to conquer earth because White instructed upon to her that Rose needed to be punished for her arrogance. When Steven returned from Homeworld and told Jasper "actually its all good we talked it out" it made Jasper's entire existence pointless
Jasper went to earth because it was her job. She became obsessed with Lapis because she needed a tool to finish her assignment because Peridot betrayed her people. Now here's Jasper outraged how her singular purpose in life means nothing now because the Diamonds would rather listen to what Steven has to say then allow the Diamonds to make decisions independently for all the other gems.
It's even weirder because Gems are effectively just Angels in Judaism, specifically Angels within the context of israeli myth/mysticism/folklore:
>they lack true free will and act on instruction as ordained by God (the Diamonds)
>they're made of light and reflect certain concepts and get less human in appearance the higher up the level of power you go
>appear as androgynous/feminine and mirror Adam Kadmon in this way
>ultimately obey mankind
>Golems exist in the form of Gem Shards (Frybo, the Watermelon Stevens, etc), the reflection of the reflection of God, sharing aspects with Angels
That Asteroid that Pink left Spinel on kind of looking like the Garden of Eden adds to this.
There's also the whole Christian/Gnostic imagery to add into this, and other israeli concepts to reinforce this
>Steven is Jesus while Pink is God/Satanael
>the Diamonds are the Trinity Godhead/Demiurge Archetypes
>the Human Zoo is Eden
>Greg is Mary while the main CGs are the Three Magi (Bismuth is Tubalcain)
>the main cast match up to the sefirot on the Tree of Life (which fits, given that SU pulls from Evangelion which did the same thing)
>Gems think of themselves as superior to humans (and are even bigger than humans) akin to the Fallen Angels/Giants of the Book of Giants story
I can't believe this shitpost was somewhat right.
>Steven Universe was actually about the Antichrist
Unironically would have been kino
>although noble and something beautiful,
You're pretty funny, anon.
Because you can’t really say that genocidal tyrants and war criminals are worth a second chance. And it if say the remnants of their victims showed up, Steven would have to find a way to tell people with nothing to stop looking for justice.
That one's easy, though. The diamonds not getting "punished" was always one of the dumber complaints about a show with plenty of real problems. Steven can't punish the diamonds, he doesn't have the power, he made peace on the best available terms and any renewal of hostilities would only make things worse. Handled properly that would be in line with the show's general pacifist message - it sucks but sometimes you have to just let the bad shit from the past lie, because to do otherwise would be to perpetuate the cycle.
Then figure out a way they CAN be punished. It’s not that hard.
It's not always practical to punish everybody, especially in war.
>it sucks but sometimes you have to just let the bad shit from the past lie, because to do otherwise would be to perpetuate the cycle.
Gems are a blight upon the universe. It is for the collective good if they stopped existing.
Seriously. Sugar wrote the most horrible, warlike and cancerous civilization ever and wanted us to accept that they could just apologize and everything would be alright.
Regardless, it's still not actionable.
>Expecting a far more technologically advanced, biologically superior race to give a damn about lessor lifeforms.
That's not even any form of supremacy talking. That's just the truth. They have far superior technology, better long range weapons, and their biology is leugues above any humans; they don't even fricking age or sleep. Why would you automatically expect that species to care for yours? In any sort of partnership or ally ship with lessor species, they would have absolutely nothing to gain in a practical sense; only the less impresive species would benefit, albeit massively.
Caz liberals are afraid of showing bad stuff because they think even showing it, it mean you support it
>Caz liberals
Unless right-wingers do something, in which case it's "caz conservatives". Gentlemen, I think we've just achieved the grand unified field theory
It's kind of enlightening to realize that Steven is basically Gohan but not done well at all.
which is saying something given Gohan's arc in Cell was kinda all over the place.
SU is basically a Deviantart coffee ship AU where you get to have the villians who did terrible things act all cute and gay. The lore shit is just there to make them more interesting but it won't get in the way of more SoL shenanigans.
I don't get why not just write around this.
Just write it so that the system the gems have and are perpetuating IS imperialistic, destructive and wrong, then just make it clear gems are individuals and can learn that that shit going on is fricked up and can break away from it and be better outside of it all.
And then once Stewie has fixed all that shit and the diamonds have stepped down they can start on repenting and redemption.
Wasn't that the point to begin with? Symbolism for how the white race bloodily took over the world, enabled by their complacency and the ignorance to the wrongs they were doing, the system of opression and misery they established for everyone and themselves and how that can still be dismantled and fixed, to see all the people stuck in the oppression perpetuating system be broken free?
In their defense, I imagine it was always hard to find the balance between what you originally planned to write, what you're allowed to write, what you have time to include, and what you actually end up with and try to explain a few years down the pipeline.
The solution in retrospect would be simply not to address certain questions, or admit you backtracked on something, but that doesn't satisfy an overly excited/rabid internet fanbase.
I don't see the issue. It's unclear whether Earth was the only planet they ever encountered with intelligent organic life. Obviously the diamonds were attempting to wipe out the people on Earth and would have done so on other planets without a second thought. Whether they actually did or not isn't directly relevant to the story. iirc it was implied they'd wiped out organic life on some planets, which even if it wasn't intelligent still seems pretty bad.
its almost as if they gave more of a shit about relationship drama than building their own universe. hmmm..
as a former hazbin hotel fan, fricking tell me about it.
Skill issue on Lapis. Why didn’t she just dodge?
>Why didn’t she just dodge?
same reason on why your still a virgin
still wonder what was the point of this
Adam Muto just hating the character. You can blame this on a combination of Ward being the biggest onions guzzling beta male in the animation industry malding about how one bad relationship that fricked him up so bad he refused to go to therapy about it then quitting his own project and giving total creative control to that talentless moron Adam Muto
Adam clearly hates Finn with every fiber of his existence. Distant Lands and Fiona and Cake exist entirely for him to gaslight people into wanting solo spinoffs of his perfect lesbian couple but he still in some capacity needs to keep Finn in the show even tho it makes him furious.
it's almost as if the show was hijacked by talentless shippers
are there not multiple Bismuth's?
There's hundreds of the same gem, we've seen hundreds of amethysts and a few pearls, so it's most likely a different bismuth. Either way Lapis should have had some sort of reaction when meeting her
Remember way back in season 1 during Mirror Gem when the mirror that Lapis was trapped in started to speak to Steven, and when the other gems found out it was PEARL that was ignorant about its ability to do that while Garnet and Amethyst were both immediately worried? And how Garnet suddenly tried to shut Steven down from finding out what was in the mirror? And Lapis immediately flipping her shit the second she was finally out of the mirror and telling Steven not to trust the Crystal Gems?
Remember how all of that went FRICKING NOWHERE?
I think Lapis not having an arc like Peridot where they addressed her baggage and basically had a whole episode dedicated to each character getting to know her before integrating her into the main group was one of the bigger missed opportunities of the show.
I don't know if they just didn't want a repeat of Peri's redemption arc or if CN was cracking down on serialized episodes at that time or what.
>Remember how all of that went FRICKING NOWHERE?
??? Everything you just described was perfectly self-contained, except for maybe finding out who actually put Lapis in the mirror in the first place ... and frankly, it could have been anyone, on either side of the war. The CGs were acting worried because they didn't realize there was a ("proper"?) gem stuck inside, and that could mean trouble in a bunch of ways ... and Lapis was pissed because she had been trapped, seemingly by the CGs. There's not much more needed beyond that.
The writers who wrote Lapis in season 1 either left or changed their minds about her after like, season 3. It's a shame. She was the coolest in concept, reduced to "some b***h with anger issues" by the end.
Not really
She was suicidal by the end of s1
Remember how Lapis has ZERO (0) interactions with the main CG cast despite being a mainstay for 3 seasons? Probably the biggest waste of potential I've ever seen, it's like they actively hated having their own cast members interact with each other outside of pre-established bubbles.
your picture has so much pissasz
Also highly likely Lapis was terraforming the Jasper birthplace and then this attack happened, but I’ll give the show that it’s just a theory.
Still would have been more interesting than the absolute boredom this became.
Who gives a shit? Just watch Gumball it has unironically better lore and worldbuilding than this soulless cartoon
Who gives a frick about Gumball when you should be reading Proust, you loser
>Who gives a frick about Gumball
Alot of people do are you that fricking dense? Couldn't say the same for this sry of an excuse of a show then again I'm talking to a literal Panjeet which is another term of SU gays lol
they backtracked hard after the reaction to Bismuth's introduction episode. Fans on twitter hated how she was treated, even though it was one of the best written episodes of the series, imo. A passtionate, but flawed character, who was clearly loved by Rose/Pink Diamond.
That was treated like a horrible villain and seen as wrong in comparison to some random teenage boy who had no involvement in the war.
AND her friends saw nothing wrong with her being bubbled.
>and seen as wrong in comparison to some random teenage boy who had no involvement in the war.
She tried attacking him completely unprovoked; while Steven was morally wrong, he hadn't done anything to justify her attacking him in such a manner.
I get that but it feels like more of a snarky in-universe justification. Like going "look the evil villain who killed a bus full of kids is also the one who wants a livable wage for everyone!"
Even if you want to justify the ending, there's no reason for them to promptly ignore her for two seasons. What did Garnet think about it? Pearl? amethyst? They're not allowed to have thoughts about it, only Steven is.
It doesn't change anything or anyone. Steven at best has a moral conundrum when he realized Rose shattered Pink and had to deal with whether killing for a good cause is ok, but that was undone.
It's like, why even bring a new character along only to promptly ignore her and put her on a bus right in her introductory episode.
Rebecca’s MO is vaguely hinting at character histories then retconning in shit after the fact. When Adenture Time first started:
>The Ice King wasn’t a 1000 year old tortured man who lost his wife to time travel and was actually a dementia ridden surrogate father to a main character the whole time
>Princess Bubblegum wasn’t a secret Elemental reincarnation and the lesbian ex-lover to a vampire
>Nearly everything surrounding Marcelline just didn’t exist
All that shit was reconned onto them by Becky to give these silly cartoon people le tragic fanfic backstories. She did the same shit in SU a bunch of times.
>Pink Diamond was actually abusive and permanently scarred a pearl so she had it sent to White Diamond to turn it into a mindless slave
>Gems don’t actually need to be in sync anymore and Fusion can basically be rape
>The Gems aren’t actually an ancient race of magical girls who protect the earth from danger. They’re alien invaders and Pearl actually doesn’t give a shit about protecting humanity outside of her Slave master’s wishes
>Greg was actually kinda abusive to Steven and pretty much took him having a normal childhood away from him without actual reasons other than he himself had strict parents.
>The gems have time travel tech seen both in the pilot and show proper but the Diamonds somehow don’t use it.
Id like to add this character suffered the most from this out of every character Becky has made. She went from being cool with humanity in S1, enjoying arts, stating she likes baking and eating pie, etc. To a gem supremacist who looked down on humans, found them disgusting and fragile, completely detached from anything human.
>>The Gems aren’t actually an ancient race of magical girls who protect the earth from danger. They’re alien invaders and Pearl actually doesn’t give a shit about protecting humanity outside of her Slave master’s wishes
This was there from the start, no? What excatly would the Crystal Gems be protecting the earth from if not other gems? There are no other races in SU.
Sugar confirmed it was cg bismuth that poofed her but it really matter? You are just creating drama for the sake of it
It was war, she was a homeworld worker in a battle zone. I bet lapis don't really care about that but the fact HW used her gem in a object.
>Sugar confirmed it was cg bismuth that poofed her but it really matter? You are just creating drama for the sake of it
are you fricking moronic? what the frick do you mean 'creating drama' its a fricking fictional narrative
why the frick would you show and confirm that a character did something that fricked over another character, and then proceed to never expand on it? what was the point of introducing that information to the narrative if it didn't matter?
this is a severe chekhov's gun moment. This is not a fricking 'callout post' for bismuth or whatever the frick you thought it was, it's a criticism of bad writing.
Lapis didn’t know if it was the same Bismuth
then again, why introduce that information to the narrative if it wasn't going to go anywhere?
imagine if Garnet never found out that pearl was rebuilding the communication towers to have an excuse to fuse with her, and the plotpoint was dropped and everything moved on
becky confirmed it was our bismuth
Lapis knowing is nothing relevant though. I don’t even think they speak to each other until the movie.
>Clearly introduce scene of a character interacting with another character that had a significant impact on their life
>Show those characters interacting later when one of them was shown to have a deep memory of the event
>They don't address this at all despite there being no reason to convey that information if you weren't planning to build on it in some capacity
>"It's not relevant", "You just want cheap drama"
Are you people even fricking conscious? Like do you understand how narrative structures work? What the frick are these posts let alone the entire chain of them?
Read the grammar of the posts of that guy who mentioned cheap drama, you're either replying to an ESL or an extreme moron or probably both.
Actually yeah going through their posts they're kind of blatantly ESL, fair point. They're probably just repeating "cheap drama" because it's a recent phrase they learned. I don't normally mind ESLs but when it gets to the point where the person in question clearly isn't understanding the topic at hand, you might as well just be arguing with a moron at that point.
>nooo I want muh cheap drama
lol
Lapis being poof was a product of the war
Cg were thinking she was part of hw and hw were thinking she was part of the cg
Bismuth poofed tons of lapis, the show main lapis was a literal who to her
There is no narrative between both other than war is bad
>the people you kill don't matter if its war
>we-we were just following orders!
drooling fricking moron.
Nobody's going to take what you're saying seriously when you seem incapable of reading and have grammar this fricking poor. You're a perfect example of why ESL posters get mocked so hard nowadays.
>scene show bismuth perfectly , doing everything for the cause
>lapis blaming her for everything when HW is the one that is more at fault
again , you just want cheap drama i bet you praised that arc where connie was mad at steven
how the frick is it 'cheap drama' to address the fact that Bismuth is the direct source of Lapis's trauma?
It's not relevant because it never comes up.
>direct source of Lapis's trauma
the war itself? bismuth is a literal who soldier here
>soldier attacks a non-combatant
>"REEE IT WAS WAR SHE DINDU NUFFIN"
its fricking war everyone was like that
>she is innocent!
not the point but ok she is not but that talk brings nothing , you just want cheap drama
again, you call it 'cheap drama' in order to handwave the cause and effect. it's not 'cheap drama', its addressing bad writing.
how is it 'cheap' to address the fact that bismuth is the reason why Lapis was trapped in that mirror for thousands of years? And you keep comparing it to stupid shit that doesn't matter that had no longterm negative consequences, like connie being pissy at steven, or Pearl almost attacking Sapphire.
meanwhile a core facet of Lapis' backstory, personality, and trauma is shelved and ignored because? idk, it would be '''''cheap''''', according to you.
>a core facet of Lapis backstory
the entire point is that it could be anyone it doesn't matter who was but its part of the side effects of war
>Pearl almost attacking Sapphire.
pearl intention was to poof her but sure
>almost attacking
LMAO
>the entire point is that it could be anyone it doesn't matter who was but its part of the side effects of war
then why show that it was bismuth? Why would rebecca confirm that yes, indeed, that was our biasmuth?
again, I'm asking why introduce that information at all if they were going to decide its irrelevant?
If that was the case, they were better off not showing or confirming it was bismuth.
I'm not asking for 'cheap drama', as you insist, I'm saying nut up or shut up. either finish the plot thread you started, or don't start it at all.
>that was our bismuth?
to tease bismuth that was all
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Not that anon but reminder that Peridot had the same "just following orders" excuse yet Lapis still held a grudge for being interrogated by her. Why is it unreasonable for expecting this same logic to be applied to Bismuth?
That just confirms by Rebecca herself Lapis didn't know besides the fact it was the crystal gems who poofed her and Homeworld who imprisoned her
Steven Universe is like wasted potential: the animated series
The more cynical onlookers tend to forget that the show basically had to shift into a completely different mindset when they were cancelled.
Do I think they were going to actually answer stuff like this well if Sugar was able to get her 2 more full seasons (aka, 25ish episode seasons)?
Depends on who she got to write the episode discussing it but not really.
However, I would rather they at least had the chance to try.
Instead they basically had to shortcut the final arc right at the end of the wedding which let us all be honest and point out how unnatural that shit is in hindsight.
Why is she gorilla-like, voiced by a black woman, and attacks people from behind without warning? What is the connection here?
Right, because there is only one bismuth in the entire series
Why did they need Lapis to transfer water out of earth when we see that they farm gems directly on the planet itself?
Her hair is too long for her to think it's the same person
It's okay they had make up sex off screen
A reminder of these classic TOH plot holes:
>Amity never meets Lilith after S1
>Lilith was the second in command and never knew about Belos' plan
>Eda never mentioned Raine except in the episode where he is introduced and we're supposed to believe they are madly in love
>Gwen never mentioned Dell despite him actually getting hurt by the curse
>Illusion magic is useless despite them being sentient and tangible in S1
>We're supposed to fear Belos despite him and his organization jobbing to S1 Luz
>Wands are a thing and seem to work just like regular magic, but on a battery, and Lilith and Eda don't use them in S2
>Belos saw Luz use glyphs and decided not to tell Hunter about it, despite him having access to information similar to it
>Eda totally forgot Owlbert exists
>Eda and Lilith don't use their Palismans
>Eclipse lake forgets that Eda can do glyph magic now which would mean less drama
>Eda and Lilith don't use their Palismans like Bump, despite it being clearly stated they can help disabled witches.
>Luz doesn't use Owlbert to perform witch magic even though she practically owns him now.
>>Eda totally forgot Owlbert exists
This was addressed though. She can’t use Owlbert for magic anymore
The Lilith thing I wanna believe is Odalia, who is already super loyal and supportive of the Emperor attempting to network with Lilith who before Hunter was the leader of the Emperor's Coven wanting to sell her on the idea that Amity should join the Emperor's Coven
Since Lilith is obsessed with high intelligence and Amity being the massive book worm that she is, Lilith agreed off screen but no longer had time to teach amity anything about the Emperor's coven because right around this time capturing Eda became Lilith's one obsession and Amity was already phasing out her interest with the Emperor's Coven because now she was more interested in being Luz's cute GF.
The show doesnt bring any attention to this because if it did Amity would have violently murdered Lilith if she found out that Lilith threatened to throw Luz into a bottom pit with sharp rocks at the bottom
Even then all the shit with Odalia off screen was worse then all the shit off screen they did with Lilith. Thats a separate list of complaints I dont have the character limit for.
was the second in command and never knew about Belos' plan
Nobody knew about Belos' plan, dummy. If you want to genocide all witches you don't tell the witches who work for you about it until you don't need them anymore.
You're correct. Neither Hunter or Kikimora knew the full extent of Belos plan but they were aware it did involve the mass genocide of people in some capacity
Kikimora didnt realize that Hunter existed to be Belos's meat suit and Kikimora was expendable
Yet despite this, Odalia remained loyal even when she ran to the collector to not be thrown in the toy chest with the rest of the toys
Less of a plot point and more of a tragic detail. We know it, but the characters will never know.
Because SU was built on shipping and lore-baiting, you're not supposed to care about continuity or logical sequences.
It's not the same bismuth. Their gems are different shapes. That bismuth has an L shaped gem, and the bismuth we know has a square shaped gem.
How can she be stuck inside a mirror like it's the phantom zone, wasn't it just a basic mirror? Nothing like that ever happens again
It was a magic mirror for showing the past. She wasn't stuck inside it, she was literally stuck to the back and powering it. There were other gem-powered objects like that one cushion. It was implied several times that a punishment for gems was being "harvested" and stuck in objects, and we saw some in walls and statues in the final season, but that plot detail ultimately went nowhere.