>dude, le women can be as hecking strong as le men!!!
what kinda bullshit is this, I mean it's fantasy but does that mean we have to throw every bit of realism out of the window?
>dude, le women can be as hecking strong as le men!!!
>dude, le women can be as hecking strong as le men!!!
what kinda bullshit is this, I mean it's fantasy but does that mean we have to throw every bit of realism out of the window?
because these are made by beta males who are aroused by that and are one step away from putting a dress and wig.
Bruh Brienne has always been a giant butterface tomboy. If anything the show feminized the shit out of her. Her father terrified her that if anyone found out she was a woman theyd steal her inheritance. Shes an excellent character
Fpbp
It’s all a domination fantasy but it’s become so pervasive society has started to take it at face value
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunhild
moron
another uncultured moron
Maybe not but at least they made her big instead of some 5 foot nothing "le stronk woman."
sadly this is not a counterpoint to one of the series's biggest sins: some teen midget ganking the night king - mind you someone who doesn't need to breath or rest, and apparently has enough precision to throw a spear at a dragon in the sky at high speed...like what kind of power do you need to have to do that?
>some 5 foot nothing "le stronk woman."
yeah, that's Arya
But Arya is never shown to be exceptionally strong, only quick and with some shitty assassin training that lets her leap like the wind? The Hound even had her stab him in some shitty leather vest he had and she couldn't penetrate it.
Written by a fat geek
Books did it better.
>Books did it better.
AFFC and everything after it can be plotted somewhere between 'kind of shitty' and 'extremely shitty'
her fight against the trio in AFFC was truly moronic
She's a one of a kind freak. And in a series where people have giant's blood and grow huge, there's zombies, ghost babies, dragons, evil white snow demons. Stop being a homosexual upset about a strong woman.
>just throw any realism out the window cause fantasy
>no woman has ever been stronger than a man
But it's a fantasy element that's helping her. She literally has giant's blood/blood of the first men in her, if I recall. Imagine a girl that's like 1 quarter Neanderthal. Imagine the tard strength on her.
Giga based
Shallom
Irl we have Gabi Garcia, a freak on modern PEDs, and she still couldn't compete with the world class in bjj. Same goes for females in other sports. Simply not competitive with the best. And that's in contests where losing doesn't mean you die.
What part of half giant don't you understand?
The strongest women in the world can bench 400 pounds and deadlift 700. That's nowhere near male records but it's still strong as frick.
At least she has the physique to back it up and isn't some 60 kg little girl beating up someone twice her size.
This. Obviously the mountain would one shot Brienne but she’d be more than a match for many shittier Knights.
Just poped up in my head the newest version of nikita
I love Brienne.
Is Brienne based in the books? Or is she a femchud?
Like many other characters, her negative traits are much more over the top in the books. The actress' line delivery improves her character a bit. Her chapters in feast is what caused me to lose interest.
Brienne is a massive, brutal c**t. I dont know if shes necessarily based but shes more or less a female Hound. The only difference is looking for love from anyone instead of Sandor who bites the hand of anyone who gets close.
She’s a useless c**t who is middling with a sword at best. She worked best with Jaime but Jaime chapters are universal loved.
But that's true and swordfights weren't brutish hacks anyhow.
There may be a small difference in max strength at the top but any well trained woman can reach the muscle strength necessary to become a knight.
>There may be a small difference in max strength at the top
lol, lmao
look at Olympic records bro
Thanks for making my point. Unless you can clean and jerk more than 187kg (womens wr) you don't get to run your weak little mouth
The point is it's not a 'small' difference. Men who couldn't dream of going to the olympics smash women's records.
Smash her record. do it right now.
>Anecdotal
Even Hassan Piker found Adam Ruins Everything moronic for saying that men are better at sports than women only because those sports were invented by men, you are more moronic than Hassan Piker.
>citing hassan piker as an authority
why not just smash her record?
I'm also not on designer steroids and I'm not a massive fatass weighing 150+kg
back when I was lifting I actually did match the women's 81kg weight class WR; and again, I'm not and never have been on designer steroids, nor was I the product of selection by a Chinese weightlifting camp, nor did I have professional coaches
So what you're saying is she is far stronger than you and unlike you she passes olympic bloodtests?
lol wut? I'm lifetime natty moron, and I'm sure if I gained a massive 70kg bodyweight I could've added a paltry 26kg to my c&j, but I care more about my health and overall performance than 'haha number go up'
what you should consider is that the 67kg male WR is greater than that of the unlimited weight female WR (again, she weighs more than double that, and still can't lift as much)
>but I care more about my health and overall performance than 'haha number go up
lol. lmao. roflmao. what a cope.
yeah bro look at this pinnacle of health and performance
wonder what her mile time is
your cope is unreal
>other person is stronger than you
>i-its the steroids
>i-its because i care for health
>i-i swear i can run away faster than her
All I'm hearing from your nasal whining is that she is stronger than you physically and mentally.
yep, it's steroids, professional training, and different goals
glad I could clear that up for you
you may continue coping and seething
Cope with what? Your weakness? I don't care.
you clearly do or you wouldn't keep responding
keep coping and seething, can't wait to see your next petulant whine
Untrained women are anywhere from one half to two thirds the strength of untrained men. With even basic exercise for both groups, however, men become two to three times stronger than women in every metric. Yes, genetic anomalies exist, and roided out women can reach extremes, but an average "trained" woman might as well be a child compared to an average "trained" man.
>With even basic exercise for both groups, however, men become two to three times stronger than women in every metric.
What a load of horse shit.
If we use the same weight class (81kg) the wr for women is 161 and for men 209kg cleam and jerk.
But once again this doesn't matter because sword fights weren't brutish hacks but elegant diels akin to fencing.
Which men are better at due to longer arms, bigger hands, immensely better grip strength, better 3D perception, better reflexes, better hip rotation due to smaller hip, larger shoulder allowing more velocity and more range, better intellect, better resilience to stress, etc.
>Which men are better at due to longer arms,
brienne is talled than most men
>bigger hands
lol
>immensely better grip strength
How much do you need? You think fencing ability scales qith grip strength?
>better 3D perception, better reflexes
lol
>better hip rotation due to smaller hip, larger shoulder allowing more velocity and more range,
bs
>better intellect, better resilience to stress, etc.
lmao
A woman like that, just like a dragon, never existed, it's fantasy. Even 6'5 tall women won't get enough advantage from their height to compensate for their lesser shoulder width, worse hip rotation, abysmal grip, lesser 3D perception, reflexes, intellect, resistance to stress.
None of those are based on real science.
so you got btfo on the real measurable metrics such as skill and strength so now you just make up moronic shit like grip strength or intellect lmao
You think men don't have better grip strength than women? You don't belong in this conversation.
We already established that trained women are nearly as strong as trained men but no. I'm saying grip strength doesn't scale to fencing skill. You mpneed a certain amount of grip strength to not lose your sword and beyond that it doesn't add anything. You focus on that metric since you have nothing else left.
>We already established that trained women are nearly as strong as trained men
we established that they absolutely are not
also, talking about grip strength, no woman has closed a captains of crush 2.5, or 3, or 3.5, or 4, where thousands and thousands of men have closed a 2.5; so many that records are not kept for it anymore
HAHAHAHA you keep ranting about grip strength and have to pretend you don't see the point about it not scaling to skill
nice goalpost-shift homosexual
look at what I quoted you saying, you fricking moron
we're done here, you lost, get over it
You never responded once to the point about skill. Nice try hiding it though.
I'm not the other guy you were talking to, moron
besides that, measures of skill or other non-strength performance? okay, how about chess standings, or world records of performance in...anything?
How do chess standings translate to sword fighting?
how do you propose to determine cross-sex skill differential in fencing with available data? furthermore, given that men are superior in physical performance, and the ability to perform physically is inextricable from the skill itself, why would you assume anything other than the obvious, which is that men would dominate?
you don't need to answer; you lost long ago
>here's a question but please don't answer
You reek of homosexualry and insecurity. Why can't you defend your views with integrity and by verifyable statements?
it's not verifiable that men are faster, stronger, more durable, larger, and more aggressive? that's not even getting into higher variability
No it's not that's what the last 200 posts of seethe ar about.
See
ah yeah in math women seem to be better than men at computation, but men are better than women at coming up with new ideas. so there women make the ideal grunts, while men make the ideal leaders.
No
Nowadays more women agree you are cattle.
Women are dumb and impressionable, which is the reason the left find compulsory education so important, more news at 11.
Women are correct, you are cattle. That is why I support them.
You shouldn't answer because you don't belong in the conversation, the male feminist discussion is two block down.
Even women would agree that men are more intelligent than women, that's what they like in men, it's akin to saying that women are more beautiful to look at than men, no men will disagree, they actually want this to be true.
I said you didn't need to answer, because you already lost
no one's stopping you; go right ahead and continue coping
A king may move a man, a father claim a son, that man can also move himself. And only then does that man truly begin his own game.
*tips fedora*
HAHAHHA this guy hasn't even heard about 99% of women being able to lift 500kgs
so is superior male strength measured in ability to move goalposts?
Yeah it's exactly like that image, except instead of a car there's just a really big lady with muscles like a man and in the background there's actual giants who sometimes used to frick people and their blood intermingling with First Men blood sometimes produce really fricking big people like Dunk The Lunk and his descendants like Hodor and Brienne.
Most of these are factually untrue.
They are all true, especially the ones you dislike for example the fact that emotional intelligence doesn't exist and that men are more intelligent than women.
50% of men are mouth drooling unstable morons compared to basically all women.
Women are only good at duplicity, not intellect. Their low cunning is a cope.
Nope. IQ is higher. Emotional maturity is higher.
50% of men are cattle. Cope.
men exist at the extremes and women are more homogenous. smarter on average but their smartest aren't as smart as the smartest men. i hated averages and statistics in school too though.
? I said as much. 50% of men are mouth breathing unstable morons. Remaining 50% is smarter, atleast when it comes to IQ. Issue is the rest should be locked up and used as simple livestock.
not every reply is combative anon. Cinemaphile doesnt have to be a place for argument alone. i didnt disagree with either post i replied to.
>men exist at the extremes
Not true, you fell for the cope that conveniently tries to avoid the fact that women are dumber than men, because people can't avoid the fact that the best chess players are men and it boggles their mind, it's way more simple, men are taller, stronger and more intelligent than women on average, that's it.
Like seriously, you really think that 80IQ women don't exist? Go work in customer services.
Except that this is wrong and there are no significant iq differences between sexes
What about races?
Women prefer men that are taller than them, stronger than them and more intelligent than them, oh but conveniently, the only trait that cannot be measured easily by the common person is "equal" in our female centric enforced-"equality" society, you really take me for a dumbass don't you? It's so evidently a lie.
>Women with their science and reproducable objective results. According to my horoscope I am more smarter than them.
https://www.isegoria.net/2020/01/it-is-difficult-to-understand-why-this-should-be-such-a-formidable-task/
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I think about this way more than I think about the Roman Empire.
NTA, but you are very dumb.
You say that to soothe the discomfort your cognitive dissonance gives you.
You should just stop having loyalty to a lie if you want to stop feeling bad.
Projection. Speaking with you does nothing but confirm my believes that most men are very dumb.
Most of everyone is very dumb, anon, not just men
IQ stats disagree.
It says that people, as in different individuals, have different blood types. There is no black blood. Like you said, race is not real.
>race is not real
Ok anyone now would disagree with me about how school is not real? They teach this in school, you got the proof there.
Fricking Mary Sue is everywhere.
Race being fake is not taught in school for the same reason fairies are not real is not taught in school. Nor does it mean school isn't real. If you actually went to school, you would understand basic logic.
I went to school and they indeed told us, using the Lewontin fallacy, that race is not real. As in, there are more differences between two Africans than the whole groups of Africans and Europeans which means that they are not two different races which is the same thing as saying that there are more differences between two trucks than there are differences between all trucks and sedans, which means that the categories of "trucks" and "sedans" don't exist sweety. All of this is not real, because school doesn't have to answer to reality, it is never confronted with reality to realign its mistake, school is fake, although it should not be this way.
>which is the same thing as saying that there are more differences between two trucks than there are differences between all trucks and sedans, which means that the categories of "trucks" and "sedans" don't exist sweety
Good analogy because if your example is real then the distinction between truck and sedan is purely a DUN DUN DUN social construct
>Good analogy because if your example is real then the distinction between truck and sedan is purely a DUN DUN DUN social construct
Are you honestly implying a truck and a sedan aren't different things? lmao wtf
No I'm saying if your boss asks you to order a gigaliner and you bring a ford f150 because they're both trucks you'll get fired.
Your argument about differences between trucks and between trucks and sedans is the point
Yeah I'll bring my sedan instead of my truck to the construction site tomorrow, it should make no difference since trucks and sedans are the same thing. moron, see you can say these things in school and nothing will happen because you don't do anything real in school, but in the real world, if you act upon those falsehoods, you'll have some form of price to pay.
Can you at least try to read full posts before melting down?
curves man. also the generally intelligent women know how to play their role well enough to not work.
If 50% of males are cattle, 90% of females are. But the fact remains women are fricking stupid, and compensate for that with gaslighting and deception.
Nope. 90% of women are smarter than 50% of men. Basic scientific fact.
Iq is higher than most men..if you cannot see that, it is because you are a sub 50% male.
50% of men do not mature at all.
It's more likely the 50% of men will lose their rights, as they should. Might as well give rights to cows.
>conflating a subjective concept like maturity with a measurable concept like intelligence
This has to be some child baitposting.
They are also obviously less emotionally mature. Unrelated to IQ, but still important.
That's, if true, fair. Wouldn't suprise me if our means of measuring are questionable.
no one who is stupid can get really good at gaslighting and deception
Someone stupid can be good at piano, it will just take 100x the time. Women think all the time about how to lie and deceive, all their shows are about that too like crime shows.
You mistook intellect (rate of making accurate connections) with skill (learned pattern behavior).
>iq is higher
doubt. they don't have intrinsic understanding. every "smart" women I've met were only good at mimicking someone they think more clever than them lol. that's why corporations love hiring women. they're the ultimate npcs
>emotional maturity
they "mature" faster but also peak lower
men only appear like cattle because they have an altruistic nature towards femoids (which is a mistake since the garden of eden)
hopefully since men are getting clued in to what wamen nature really is we can start revoking their rights eventually
That's you having watched too much American TV, and the only reason why you can't deny that men are taller than women is because it's easily measurable. Even here with strength, which is just a little bit harder to measure, people try to deny that men are superior, so imagine with intellect.
*troony science
Men have been found to have between 4 to 10 IQ points more than women on average, just like height and to a lesser extend strength, men are superior to women in those characteristic on average which does not preclude an instance where a woman is superior in those traits to a man.
Here we see the disgusting self lies that people tell themselves, everybody that held a real job saw how lesser women are to men on average in the same way that a city dweller, when he looks at a busy street, can easily see how men are taller than women even if it's not always the case.
We know how to measure intellect and by every metric 50% of men are below basically all women.
I've had a job. Most men were either mouth breathing morons or generally capable, while women sat in the middle. Which is supported by science.
Anecdotal fallacy.
In regards to variability in mathematics performance, a meta-analysis by Lindberg et al. (2010) found male-to-female variance ratios ranged from 0.88 to 1.34 across studies with an average of 1.07, indicating nearly equivalent male and female variances.[10] The authors note that greater male variability is not ubiquitous, and ratios less than 1.0 have been reported in some national and international data sets.[10] A review by Hyde et al. (2009) also evaluated the topic of greater male variability in mathematics performance.[11] The review found that the gender gap among the highest performers has narrowed over time in the U.S., is not found among some ethnic groups and in some nations, and correlates with several measures of gender inequality.[11] The authors conclude that greater male variability in math performance is largely an artifact of cultural factors as opposed to innate biological sex differences.[11]
Reality disagree with your biased data.
Fact is, people just don't like the fact that women are dumber than men because, I think, people are evil deep down, they like lying, they think they can get away with it and see here? They do get away with it. We see the wikipedia article about sexual dimorphism defaced every month saying some cope like "actually women are only weaker than men because parents feed girls less than boys" which is in the same exact vein of cope that you spout! You just can't accept reality! How about that Africans have lesser IQ than Asians? Can't deal with that either? Gonna invent another cope ad hoc? This is so disgusting and unacademic. Yeah no wonder that in this climate, people even try to pretend that a man can cut off his balls and become a woman, it's all just whims with you evil liars.
Men have 4 to 10 IQ points more than women, men are underperforming at school though, maybe that where you got your data, but school is fake, not a real environment where you have to give an actual service or product.
Reality agrees with me, as the data seems to show. It is why it asserted itself eventually.
School is a real place and their underperfomance shows low inteligence AND emotional maturity.
School is not a real place, work environment is.
Also, you just lack the emotional rigor (emotional intelligence is a cope for unintelligent people trying to steal the trait) to admit truth. I bet you believe in trannies and that homosexuality is not inferior to heterosexuality. Again, you don't belong in the conversation.
School is a real place. Your denial of this shows your lack of inteligence and maturity. You are below me.
Nothing you do in school is real, if you work, then you have to deal with reality, even if it's unfair. In school it's controlled, and it's controlled so that women perform better which is bad, but in the end reality reasserts itself, the women with inflated egos will end up at some point having to quit school, because it's not real, and then enter a real place like work and they will notice first-hand how their abilities are actually on average inferior to men, thus they will want more women at the work place to stop feeling inferior all the time.
It's not controlled, you are just coping for ÿour inherent inferiority.
>School is not a real place
is it an imaginary place, moron?
Yes you can fall off the stairs at school and break your arm for real, because the place is real, but nothing you are mandated to actually do in school is real, it's all indeed imaginary and not incumbent to reality. moron.
>and not incumbent to reality
everything they teach at med school is not incumbent to reality guys
At med school, they go to anthropology class where they say that race doesn't exist, "one race the human race", then 10 minutes later they enter their blood transfusion class where it says that blacks have different blood than whites and thus you cannot give blood transfusion between the two and the student just live with that cognitive dissonance which is why they drink so much alcohol.
>race is when sickle cells
>no I haven't studied biology how doyou know?
>Fact is, people just don't like the fact
this should be good... fact
>I think, people are evil deep down, they like lying, they think they can get away with it and see here
i think you can take 90% of what a person says and put it in the "they're talking about themselves or their own viewpoint" category. it's the reason why simple follow-up questions often illicit a "WELL..." they're now gonna' justify the stupidity
>"actually women are only weaker than men because parents feed girls less than boys"
have argued with a million feminists about feminism. not one ever went there. or even in that general area. a feminist's argument will be "the only reason you put so much importance on sports in the first place is because our society is male-dominated and physical strength is overvalued. maybe you should reflect on the fact you weren't a great athlete yourself"
>How about that Africans have lesser IQ than Asians?
you think that's a fact but it isn't. could it be true? of course. but it hasn't been proven. not even close. all you can get is some random samples from asia and some random samples from africa... and they'll be wildly inconsistent with other regions of asia and africa. to say the science isn't settled on IQ's would be understating it... all relates to brain activity which is still mysterious outside of malnutrition
Africa has the easiest climate to get food, always has had it.
we`ve already all agreed on the fact that women are taller, stronger, heavier, more muscular, and have bigger dicks and balls than men, but I digress, ispo facto.
I thought the current science said the average woman is smarter by about 2 pts men but are mostly of average intelligence while men are more polarized as either very smart or very dumb
Brienne is clearly one of those generic abnormalities. Everyone who looks at her thinks "what the frick, I can't believe this woman exists"
We never got to see her giantess booba
She’s built like a 2x4 her nudes are out there.
You got a sauce on that?
She has more disappointing boobs than Margerire Tyrell.
the clegane fight where she gets kicked in the pussy made me audibly laugh
I think this is why people soured on Brienne was cause she offed Clegane even though they were always meant to fight. Sandor has to be the top dog and he had to lose to find someone who cares about him.
>have one (1) (una) woman in the series that can measure up to male fighters
>in a world where the male fighters are overwhelmingly dominant
>complain about realism
jesus christ
It's also in a world where there's a giant one-of-a-kind dude who wears platemail so heavy that no one else can wear it while standing, while wielding a giant two-hander in one hand and a giant shield in the other, basically making him invulnerable when fighting normal people. Meanwhile she's the one-of-a-kind woman with extraordinary T-levels and she still gets defeated by male knights. Crying over her is ridiculous.
seriously, in the books she is constantly labelled as a freak and treated as inhuman specifically because she is so unlike every other woman in the story, and she still didn't effortlessly beat jaime when he was missing an arm
Doesn't Catelyn also react to her like "what the frick am I looking at, that can't be a woman?" when they first meet, because there's never been a woman big enough to be a knight before? Haven't seen it since first aired so nor read the books in years so maybe I'm just misremembering.
it's been a while since i've read the books and i've never watched the show but if i remember correctly when she was introduced she was clad in armor and nobody saw her face, so everybudy just assumed she was a big and bulky male who happened to be good at swordplay, only to be in complete disbelief when they learned that she was in fact a woman. so yeah, she is a complete exception in the universe
This is that trope done right. She looks huge compared to most people, which makes it believable, and all the characters constantly comment on the fact that she is a freak anamoly.
Arya jumped the shark. She wasn't believable at all.
oh great, time for another incel whining thread
me at the back doing 25kg
Her not using a collar in a crowded gym makes my butthole itch.
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Lol 10 pound “plates” wow.
It's funny. I'm fat as frick and out of shape and in my 30s and recently decided to start working out for the first time in my life and I started with 250lb squats at 12 reps for 6 sets just to learn good form. And I didn't even have to get a testosterone prescription like these chicks do.
Compared to Arya, brienne was brilliant
If you're into fantasy, you're more than likely a homosexual or an obese cat mother.
Notably, she was an exception within the world she occupied. Exception. As in contrary to the general population. Women in GoT are not usually behemoths. And her girth was more of a negative than anything.
She doesn't win a single fight against a trained fighter though.
Remember when fricking BITER nearly killed her and bit off her cheek?
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The Goomba That Rides
Maester Luigi
Brienne is a freak of nature that is mocked and derided by literally everyone in the story. She's also kind of stupid and she's not even that great of a fighter, her most notable fight was killing some feral bandits with help from her squire.
to be fair she's considered a freakish genetic abberation. like has gigantism or a growth defect
>like has gigantism or a growth defect
Giant's Blood, son. Either Dunk The Lunk married into her family, explaining his shield in their hall, or he had some bastards while in the employ of the lord there.
rude
See those hips? Good for women, bad for combat, unless all you fight are women and children.
>t. Kitlet
giwtwm
I bet there are like at least 1.000.000 women in the world right now that could kick your ass right now
1,000,000 in a world of 7 billion isn't even a rounding error.
>7 billion women.
Lol.
Unlike you, I include men in the range, bigot.
Very progressive of you.
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Good in general. Including combat.
If that makes you feel better.
Gwendoline Christie could unironically frick up a manlet in real life. Arya being a ninja was far less believable.
I'd rather |-|@/3 §3×™ with anya° at her peak
She has like a growth hormone disorder in the books and it's obvious as frick because she's piss ugly in those books. Also Renly can't stand looking at her.
It makes for a character with an interesting new perspective, a new approach and opens the door to new possibilities with other characters, like for example her relationship with Jaime
no it doesn't. a woman acting like a man the way she does, would be treated the way sam is for being a coward. all she does is tear down the authenticity of the setting.
You are aware that there are historic female knights right?
A horse would sooner be part of the warrior class than a f*male, as evidenced with the noble game of chess.
You mean the same game where the female piece is the best one?
epic my dude. completely makes up for your historical ignorance.
Are you saying a "knight" in the same way that literal homosexual actors are now "knights" as in, not real? Like a honorary diploma? Talking about the real medieval class of knight.
I'm talking about armored heavy cavlry military nobility.
Ok, so no women there.
Wrong. So can you explain to me why you are emotionally invested in women soldiers in a fatasy setting if you consciously ignore and dismiss women soldiers in historic reality?
Women soldiers were never a historic reality, every case of it happening it was always recounted as something notable, as in strange, rare, unusual, a singular event to never be seen again in a lifetime. I remember arguing this with a femoid on Twatter, after questioning a bit I found out that she got brainwashed by her college teacher! School is indeed fake, women are indeed dumb, those two facts intersect creating the women who think that women soldiers pretending to be men was commonplace and that women are not physically inferior to men.
>Women soldiers were NEVER a historic reality, EVERY case of it happening it was ALWAYS recounted as something notable
Do you hear yourself holy shit
Yeah, I brought precision.
Well you brought contradiction. Women soldiers were a reality otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to note them as an exception.
They were not a common reality, they were always unusual.
So you agree they existed just with extra steps?
Fine by me.
They never existed for the common person just like winning the lottery doesn't exist for the common person.
Fiction should always choose to be interesting above being realistic or faithful to some made-up standards. Brienne being the way she is makes for great scenes and an interesting exploration of what it means to be a fighter and a warrior in that setting, not to mention it positions her as the complete opposite to Cersei, and as such, allows Jaime to grow and become a deeper character by juxtaposing his scenes with her with his scenes with Cersei
On the contrary, fiction should "dance" with reality. Tolkien and all the other greatest creatives in history worked with this idea in mind. The moment you deviate from this you end up with moronic nonsense that's subversive at worst (see modern media) or some guy's fetish material at best.
There's a reason why in genres like fantasy people are willing to accept dudes fighting dragons and other beasts. It's because in a way we can see that happening based on history and what we know instinctively. Men are hunters and warriors. They are the stronger sex.
You put a woman in combat and no matter the excuse, it'd just feel wrong to everyone. Uncomfortable even.
At the start of the Winter Warrior movie (the only MCU slop I've seen), there is a man jumping 2 stories high, ok cool, a woman flying in the air shooting fireballs or something, great, but then there is Black Widow, I kept what the frick is her power for her to be able to beat 20 guys that are 3 times heavier than her? It was never answered in the movie! After years I found the worst explanation for it, she trained a lot. She already destroyed my whole suspense of disbelief when she appeared on screen and then they have to obliterate it, what a shitshow, no wonder it's all Blacks and homosexuals replacing the fan favorites Tony Stark and company.
I'm pretty sure this is bait but I don't disagree, and I'm pretty sure most MCU fans don't either. Black Widow has been consistently misused since the final act of The Avengers (2012). In all honesty though I thought she worked in Winter Soldier. She predominantly fights regular agents and when she goes up against Bucky she's fricking horrified and barely staying alive. Only issue with that movie was the hairstyle. Ass was on point though.
Funniest thing to me is Civil War. You have all these superheroes running at each other, and it looks goofy enough like that, but then Black Widow is also running at them? Like what the frick is this b***h gonna do? Her strengths are espionage and hand-to-hand combat with people who aren't cosmic and/or technological anomalies. If those fail she has firearms training as well, which is something you shouldn't be running at motherfrickers in order to utilize. They should've left her largely neutral and prioritized her to being more involved with hunting down Zemo. Her being on any side was completely out of character. Shit movie tbh, 2/10 would not recommend.
She is treated like shit though either through mockery or with disgust by everyone.
surprised how no-ones mentioned how the unsullied, a bunch of castrated men, are meant to be the most fearsome fighters in the series
simply put, George is a moron and if you think too hard about the garbage he writes it all falls apart
They're really not great 1v1, they're valued for their discipline and ability to work as a unit. Individual Unsullied tend to get fat
I get how annoying stronk woman shit is but getting ass mad over Brienne is incel shit.
I think the trope in the books was that despite her being a large and fairly strong woman, she is constantly saved by men from trouble. She is also quite timid on top of everything.
Isn’t Brienne the descendent of Dunk? Her genetics are freaky.
Brienne is least bad.
In the book Cersei has where she complains she was "Daughters in this kingdom are sold like pigs"
I just find this type of point of view by insiders from this society completely nonsensical.
they can be, but they usually end up looking like men like your pic. or they have a penis
Only thing I disliked about Brienne was the actress. She's not very good at emoting anything but that serious look she has on occasion. When she smiles it looks like trollface.gif, when it cuts away to her listening to Jaime's monologue I fricking die laughing, and when she's horrified at Renly's assassination it's legitimately a joke reaction and I'm amazed the take was kept. Also she looks like a twig. Like yeah she may be as tall as The Hound, but weighs 50lbs less. I just didn't buy it.
I get that it's fantasy, but if there is one piece of media that has been described in the last 25 years as "realistic fantasy" it's ASOIAF, and I'm sorry but this b***h ain't wearing full plate armor withour her knees capping.
I mean there's probably like some top 0.1% physical traits woman who could compete with men on some decent level. They didn't pretend like all the women in the series were capable of that. It was only Brienne of fricking Tarth, this huge beast of a woman.
And the hound is a 0.1% man, a huge beast of a man. To compare them would be almost as equal as comparing an average man and a woman.
show only
I think we all know Dumb and Dumber are incompetent
Fair enough but wasn't the Hound in pretty shitty condition when they fought? I don't remember the details of the story at that point but I rewatched the fight and it was fine aside from some shitty choreography choices. The Hound isn't the Mountain.
Yes, he's bitten in the neck/shoulder area of on his left side. It's established in a bit of a throwaway line that while he allowed Arya to stitch it properly, he refused to allow her to cauterize it, due to his fear of fire. She offhandedly mentions he's slower because of this. This is, if I recall, when they arrive at The Bloody Gate and then promptly learn of Lysa Arryn's recent demise. The next time we see the duo is the duel, I believe, though it's ambiguous how much time has passed.
The most important part to note is that during the fight Sandor doesn't appear wounded or moving slower, which means instead of choreographing the fight according to the context and lore, they wrote in a line most people forget from two episodes prior to the duel in question just to cover any criticism.
Dabid were always lazy and poor at adapting the material. S1 is hilariously bad on rewatches. The only benefit it had was dialogue ripped straight from the books. The editing and pacing are fricked.
Daily reminder that the original pilot was so fricking bad that HBO ordered it to be reshot almost entirely, with only a few establishing shots retained.
>The most important part to note is that during the fight Sandor doesn't appear wounded or moving slower
Agreed. Brienne sort of just gains an edge in the fight instead of it being visibly shown that the Hound is in bad shape.
it was a pretty even fight
it would be stupid either way. he’d have to have his guts pouring out to lose to her. just made zero sense yet everyone cheered on the scene.
almost as moronic as Catelyn’s scene crying and regret over how she treated Jon.
>Ned didn't trust his nephew or wife enough to not tell people about the former's heritage, ruining their potential relationship and respective psyches
>Ned didn't trust his best friend enough to not be a murderous butthole who would slaughter the kingdom if he found out that his oneitis didn't really love him
What the frick was this homie doing with his life lmao?
my mom called it at the end of season 2 that she was gonna fight the hound at some point and thought that it was a ridiculous idea
It's a shame because the chronological scene prior to the fight, the buildup to the fight itself, and the aftermath are all kino.
I have an idea. S4E9, The Mountain is pretty much comatose after his duel with Oberyn. He's reborn as Zombie Gregor with dark magic, chemicals, and evil intent, and is then is sent north for whatever reason, who gives a frick. He retains sentience, but is ultimately mute and horribly deformed. He runs into The Hound, inexplicably, but refuses to fight his brother in a misguided effort to diffuse the situation to protect Arya, an effort ironically caused by his newfound emotional attachment to her. Gregor removes his helmet and Cleganebowl ensues. Both brothers "die" and Arya goes her own way, running into the Brotherhood again. Letting her emotions get the better of her, she unintentionally reveals the fate of Sandor Clegane to Beric Dondarrion. Arya leaves the next day. The Brotherhood burn Gregor's body and recover Sandor's. Beric then sacrifices himself to revive Sandor in the light, who then succeeds him as leader of the Brotherhood.
What would Arya have done if Brienne was wearing a helmet?
But Brienne was always beat down when it mattered? I think even a wounded Clegane was too much for her and she herself didn't see it as win since he was almost dead on his feet.
I don't understand why anyone was scared of the dragons when they could have just sent in an F-16 to take it out easily
there's no place in westeros where it could take off or land
I never even hated Brienne however I dropped the show completely when they jobbed the fricking Hound to her. I don’t care if he was sick and slow that was gay.
>jobbed
she had to use a rock to beat him down
And? wtf does that mean?
it was a close call and she had luck to her hand on the rock
Fricking incel. "oh how dare they make a woman strong its unrealistic" like, b***h it's a fantasy show, It's not exactly supposed to be realistic, and on top of that women CAN be as strong as men, just harder. sure biologically the men are stronger, but that doesn't mean there can't be a woman as strong as a man dumbass
>women CAN be as strong as men
This is a stupid ass statement. It makes it sound like all women have that ability. No. A tiny fraction of women are capable of competing with an average man in strength. Brienne is such an exception that's why it is acceptable.
You're soft as frick, a girl would punch you and you'd start fricking crying.
>can't cope with facts
>turn to personal insults
Lame.
What I said was facts.
Sure, if that's what you gotta tell yourself.
The kind of dudes that complain about this are men that women could easy beat the shit out of.
Realistically outside of troony israelite fantasy the average lazy couch potato would easily rape your average female mma fighter.
This is not the character to get mad about for realisms sake
I like the assassin trope of the little wolf girl, but yeh physical strength amazonia women is a bit on the nose.
This. Stupid or not Arya became a faceless god with superpowers. Brienne is just annoying.
I still don't understand what she did to get these powers.
>Jaqen H'ghar is dead
>lmao not really, I'm a gay priest now
Genuinely one of the best characters in the show. Her whole deal was being too butch to be a proper lady, but also never fitting in in the world of men. She was a strong fighter, but could never be the best. And she was an ugly woman, and could never be desired by men. That's her whole character arc. She befriends Jamie, who comes to respect her as a fighter, which develops into having a suggested mutual attraction, but ultimately still loses because jamie would rather frick his sister.
maybe she was ugly because she cut her hair short and spent all day lugging around sword and armor?
Her backstory suggest she was like that even when she was a child. There was that story about the ball where Jamie asked her to dance.
whatever, George.