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Viacom is pissed lol. They took the thread archive down on tbh and wayback.
at least dinomedia got to see it
What?
he was there in that thread
Literally who
it's still on twitter
>They took the thread archive down on tbh
goddamn I don't think I've ever seen that. Did that ever happen with the Tiny Toons or Clone High reboot leak threads? I don't think it did.
Nope
Did the same thing happen with the Fairly OddParents reboot leak thread?
>the Fairly OddParents reboot
the what now?
There was a bible for a Fairly OddParents reboot posted on Cinemaphile. Jorgen was made softer. Cosmo and Wanda follow a black girl now. There is a "cool" non-binary classmate. It's in CGI.
Man that thread was hilarious.
Any screencaps?
There an archive of it?
Like a downloaded html?
No fricking way this is real
It was, even the redditors were talking about it being leaked in Cinemaphile
Now i fricking want the archives!!!!!!!! GIVE ME THE ARCHIVES VIACOM!!!!!!!
it happened with a fairly oddparents revival leak.
Creators were pissed that characters got leaked, with one of them being some kid who identifies as "non-binary". After that, all threads and images were deleted.
They did something similar with the "My Adventures with Superman" leaks were you STILL get a warning if you post the early concept art of Superman's mom
A paw patrol leak a few weeks ago.
The thread got deleted before falling off page 10 though so it never archived.
Yes it did
I kept that thread open in a tab the entire time and upon my last refresh it 404'd. deleted posts stick around in the archived but threads that 404 don't. They're only in the archives while they're still technically active, then poof
Good, frick Viacom
>even veteran R&S artists think it sucks
It’s over.
>Billy's voice is always excellent
Aw crud.
Billy's getting old.
>Billy's getting old
Aw crud.
Why not get Eric Bauza? He played Stimpy on APC.
Eric can't do Stimpy again. Neither he can voiced Ren. The characters belond to West.
Eric's Stimpy was never as good honestly. Not that he did a bad job.
Because West being onboard again is a huge selling point
Is that the guy who made the King Crab pilot?
A shame Cartoon Network never picked taht up, it was great
it is.
i think virtually everyone expected this to be garbage so its not surprising its garbage.
It's just that Hotdiggedydemon parody video
The parody was better animated.
that had love
All the new cartoons nowadays dont understand the use of silence or pauses, its like they are trying to fill every second with noise.
you aren't a zoomer
you aren't the target audience of this shit
Zoomers don't have money.
Neither do the people zoomers call "boomers" (millennials)
Watched a lot of older cartoons from the 90's and even the early 2000's recently, they got a lot more use of silence and build-up. Nowadays humor doesn't include the anticipation of a joke, it just states the joke as if throwing it onto us is a comic act itself.
Its not just cartoons, its all media. Older movies too used to have a lot of slow panning shots of cities or environments or anything and generally just felt slower. There would be a lot of this showmanship, like they were trying to show off all these various things like objects, gadgets, or scenery, or effects, or emotions, etc. to the audience that'll make you actually want to own those things or go to those places.
Now everything feels like a Bay movie, always moving fast and having a lot of effects just for the sake of it. As if they're trying to hide the obviously bad CGI if they just make everything move fast. Also pic related isn't what I entirely mean, I just like posting Beetlejuice.
It's that way by design, executives are deathly afraid of losing audience's attention.
>especially the heroin
That's so accurate, that's one of the reasons why I call modern SpongeBob unwatchable, literally every single second at least one character is making some sort of vocal sound and it's so damn grating.
Kids literally cannot focus otherwise. Thanks to the punchy short form video format. Even YouTube gaming videos which used to have long 30-40 minute formats have switched to chopped up and HEAVILY edited 10 minute formats. Meme sounds all over, like vine boom and anime girl yamete and shit. These kids brains are wrecked by the age of like 4. It's twisted
Why are major entertainment companies losing out to YouTube and TikTok despite trying their best to emulate them?
You ever scroll through YouTube shorts aimlessly in incognito mode? Within a few swipes you'll find videos of blatant dick jokes, women barely dressed, people doing really crazy shit like wipeouts and nutshots. The rest is cute animals, pop culture, silly dances and the newest memes. Content gets made literal minutes after big news drops or a new trend hits the scene.
You can't compete with that kind of output it doesn't matter how much money you have. A billion people are trendmaxxing and algorithmmaxxing all at once hoping to make a few bucks from daddy youtube theyre technically content slaves
I was thinking about this, and for some reason 'The Dover Boys' came to mind. Whilst it's frenetic in a classic Chuck Jones style there's still a lot of pauses and beats that really sell the humour. The bit where Dan Backslide steals the car in particular is a good example:
>Dan exits the bar, slight buildup of music as he looks offscreen.
>Camera follows Dan as he goes up to a car, takes a second to look at it.
>"A runabout"
>Beat
>"I'LL STEAL IT, NO-ONE WILL EVER KNOW!"
Even though it's only 10 seconds long most of it is build-up to the gag, it works in the same manner as dramatic tension where the audience has an idea of what the outcome will be but they don't know how it will land. That beat in particular is crucial for selling the humour, there's no joke per say; it's just Mel Blanc doing a funny voice, BUT that little pause just sells the delivery and releases the little bit of tension that was built up.
>its like they are trying to fill every second with noise.
yes
cartoons are seen as baby sitters for inadequate parents
>Reboot bad show
>it's bad
Wow
Still looks better than John K’s later work.
I think his later work would work well if the story was about a schizophrenic man.
I think Cans without labels was fine
I feel like Cans without labels was suppose to be a Ren and Stimpy episode of George showing his pets on what he and they will soon eat rather than the Nephews he has. The tall one was Ren and the small chubby one was Stimpy
Cans Without Labels is an alright cartoon with weird editing and color choices, but because it's made by John K everybody acts like its the worst animated thing ever made. Only people who should be mad are the people who funded it and waited 7 literal years on it.
Awful. Does anyone have an archive to the original thread?
It's been scrubbed from the Cinemaphile archive and tbharchive
sure it's: [THIS LINK HAS BEEN DISABLED DUE TO A COPYRIGHT CLAIM BY PARAMOUNT GLOBAL]
Yes, all you'll get is thumbnails though.
https://archived.moe/co/thread/141459615
https://boards.Cinemaphile/co/thread/141459615#top Here
Can anyone post an archive?
>Deleting the thread archive on tbh and Wayback
Why are companies so bad at handling criticism?
What makes you think this is about "criticism"?
People have been lashing out at Cinemaphile for the criticism done here for many years. They are afraid of a place where you can actually give honest feedback without industry people or their lackies controlling the discourse.
it may have also been copyright but whatever
Stimpy sounds like a much older Billy West which is okay, but Ren in particular sounds like his voice was done through 15.ai. It's got that very scratchy, metallic, stretched-out quality that sounds more like a TF2 AI voice video from 2020 than anything. Is that what they did?
His Fry in the Futurama revival sounds like shit
Who thinks Billy took the gig to voice Ren in the reboot to get back at John?
i'm sure he took it because its a paycheck more than anything. he's one of the only people to voice the characters. why would he not do it?
>he's one of the only people to voice the characters. why would he not do it?
He wouldn’t voice him in APC
cause APC will probably end up being worse than this still. this will be poorly animated and boring. APC was aggressively unfunny and just too tryhard for the most part. ren seeks help is the only decent episode.
Don't forget the godawful pacing on most of the episodes
>this will be poorly animated and boring
So Games Animation 2.0?
i haven't rewatched the games animation stuff in a long while but i think this might be the worst animated ren & stimpy content we ever get based on the leak, they could brush it up but it looks like shit visually.
>ren seeks help is the only decent episode.
Fire Dogs 2 is pretty good too. I need to watch the rest, only seen Ren Seeks Help, Fire Dogs 2, and Onward and Upward (that one sucked).
>Fire Dogs 2
The toilet shitting scene is funny in concept (think about your boss asking you to hold his hand so he can fart easier, it's weird but funny) but then it's the one section that's dragged out for TOO long, and too much time is spent on animating the shit landing in the toilet.
Yeah the toilet scent goes on too long, but overall the episode is pretty good I think. Me finding Bakshi Fire Chief hilarious is a big part of that.
i should go back and watch APC sometime but it freaking me out so much when i was young soured me on it for years. it was really fricking offputting and weird seeing it for the first time. especially when i had such fond memories of the good seasons of the original show. i don't think a cartoon has made me feel so immediately weirded out since.
I had the exact same experience, didn't watch any more episodes after watching the first time it aired until recently. It was even worse because because my whole family loved old R&S and gathered around to watch. Uncomfortable and disappointing experience. The episode they started with (Onward and Upward) seems like the worst choice possible. Other episodes seem like a big step up so far.
APC wasn’t that bad, honestly, it just needed an editor. At least it had nice art and animation, especially when you compare it to most adult cartoons made in the past 20 years.
Fire Dogs 2 had some funny scenes and Naked Beach Frenzy was alright
He should've just made nsfw art after he got fired, nobody would've complained over hot women fricking.
Eh Fire Dogs 2 was the only one I liked mostly for the fact Ralph Bakshi was in it. NBF was basically more softcore porn than comedy with the comedy just being Ren getting fricked and fricked up by the hairy ape of a lifeguard.
also Ren sounded like shit in APC. John couldn't even do the voice anymore by then, but his original Ren is still unmatched.
What? At this point why would he even bother? Billy has gone on to have a lifelong successful career. John...hasn't done dick since he got fired from Ren and Stimpy. If anything, it would be more believable that John would try to do something to get back at Billy since he's the one who came out on top.
He ran a blog that thousands of people learned from for their careers.
OH! I forgot. Yeah. Running a blog vs being the voice of countless characters in countless productions. Yeah, that's about equal.
Probably why John has to do pen drawings on the back of tacky paper placements from his favorite steak "restaurant" to sell these days.
I don't know how to break it to you but you're just revealing how worldly your concerns are. I care about other people, that's the whole reason why I care about the Ren and Stimpy show because it is such a good portion of friendship. If you care about working on cartoons instead of people, that is why you don't like John.
He took over for Ren's voice when John was kicked out the 1st time. He's a better Ren then John is as Stimpy. John's Stimpy sucks, and his voice got too low to do Ren's voice well. Equally, West did all the screams the show is known for. You can hear John struggle to do half the shit West was good at.
"getting back at John" isn't the end goal, so much as just doing a good job with characters he likes to play as. The Ren we heard sounds like West because he's done both characters before. John's Ren is still better than West's Ren in the 1st season. Only problem is John's voice got lower.
Gonna reply to myself because West's main problem in most of his OTHER work, is because John pushed/abused him to give some great performances. With John gone, you can hear a lot of Stimpy's voice just get commercial and mid range sounding.
West does great stuff, but thinking about some of his performances, if he doesn't have to, he won't push it. He sticks to a comfortable range because the voice director will love his first take. John's strict control over West's voice made great work, but hypocritical when you listen to the voice work in APC. It's pretty piss poor in that series.
I genuinely think John K was the better voice for Ren, his voice work in the Sven Hoek and Stimpy's Fan Club episodes is top tier
John K is like George Lucas. He worked best when he had editors on his side and having him being kept in line whenever reasonably possible.
The prequels are better than the tasteless slop Disney is making with Star Wars, without the actual visionary Creator you have nothing, keep coping
Btw in my webcomic I will show the hidden genius of the prequels on the basis of Catholic spiritual visions
Millennials gatekept me from working on cartoony stuff, I can easily do better Ren and Stimpy
Proof https://voca.ro/1epCDCl5AaRZ
I was referring to the original trilogy to the prequels. OG had Lucas do them but he had editors and studios telling him what to do and not to do. Prequels was pretty much 99 percent all Lucas
Who voiced Ren there?
its obviously west. he's just fricking old. ren is harder on his pipes than stimpy.
>Ren and Stimpy with famous celebrities!!
>> famous celebrities
Literally who are any of these frickers
homie don't sit here and pretend you don't know who JK Simmons is.
>debra wilson
she's a good voice actor but oh my god. when is the last time a voice actor was this widespread? she is in literally fricking everything.
The original show had celebrity voices too (Frank Zappa, Gilbert Gottfried, Dom DeLuise, Mark Hamill, etc.)
Besides Zappa, these are all post John I'm pretty sure.
Robin Williams wanted to be in it, but John called him a "fricking gay".
Probably because of his 90s Disney hate-boner
Alan Young was scrooge mcduck and played Haggis MacHaggis. But that being said, he was mostly season 3 and likely not someone John would've wanted to be on the show to play a trope like Haggis.
There should be an episode where George Liquor meets Haggis.
in heaven or hell? they're both dead
Frank Zappa asked John for a small role in the show since he was a fan and according to the audio commentary he ad libbed some of his lines
In the audio commentary they try to avoid calling his character "the pope" at first until near the end where John just screams "THE POPE!!!!"
I like Amy Sedaris; sad she's associated with this
>Patti Harrison
>troony
It’s over everyone
I don't know any of them
Why is fricking Ren and Stimpy doing social commentary?
Because the crew can't grasp real friendship. Their support network on social media is all babbling about not being able to understand John's father because he had some conflict with him.
I didn't watch the link I only lurked in the last thread. what's so bad about it having smartphones? I'm not saying it will be good, it probably will be shit, but why are anons so mad about that detail in particular?
it's not that they have smartphones, it's that there's a whole goddamn episode about it right off the bat.
and?
it instantly shows us they're already out of ideas
It's not a unique story and they're not adding any unique twist to it and the original series never dated itself so hard in the decade it aired in. Plus it seems every reboot is trying to remind you its modern (even Futurama had a le apps are bad episode when it was first revived), why bring back a show if you have nothing new to add to the table?
Idiots didnt scrub it all
That's what happens when you give the director's chair to Robin Byrd just because she b***hed about the reboot and tried to get it cancelled
Kinda like how they made Katie Rice the director of the Animaniacs reboot after she went "John K raped me"
Did anyone even look at her seriously aside from siding with her when people were b***hing about this announcement?
>It's just that nobody will eat the slop.
99% of this board is evidence of the opposite
why does this reboot look so bad? i thought the whole appeal of Ren and Stimpy in the first place was that it was run by an insane maniac who hates their dad, and that's every storyboarder now
John was a guy with daddy issues who could draw
A lot of industry people today are trannies with daddy issues that can't draw
I remember posting in that thread last night but goddamn it's been nuked from the archives. How often do threads get nuked from tbh?
Only when CP is posted
The animation that we've seen is extremely inconsistent. The scene where Ren is in the dark swatting away cables looked extremely good. The log commercial clip was noticeably worse but still somewhat decent, kinda like the later episodes of Looney Tunes Cartoons. But then you have that one scene where Stimpy is like standing up or something and it looks fricking horrible, very obvious tweening and it looks like shit. I'm hoping (coping) that the shittier animation is just unfinished or something. I have hopes for this thing, it has potential.
so how was the vore in the episode?
They should just let Max do the reboot, even his Cuphead animation is more Ren & Stimpy than whatever those leaks were.
Did you forget the Ren & Stimpy video he made?
No, my point was that even his other videos invoke more of a Ren & Stimpy feeling.
>Making Stimpy the trump supporter but not Ren
Frick this is unfunny and dated. Especially when so many Hollywood israelites are crying for trump to save them and Israel.
Why would Ren care about her emails
>art is good
>they managed to get Billy to do the voices
If it ends up being funny, it's a big win.
What?
Damn
History repeats, The New Adventures of Beany and Cecil part 2
>They didn’t let the artists write the stories this time around. Instead they had this total hack Chuck Lorre who didn’t care about cartoons, didn’t understand cartoons, couldn’t write, wasn’t funny, just a mean guy. They put him in charge of the stories. He wrote scripts instead of putting them on storyboards and he just was a nightmare to work with. He hated the cartoonists. He was just there for political reasons. Really all he wanted to do was score the music on his Cassio. Because they pay you a lot more to do the music than any other job because you get royalties and stuff.
>He made a deal with the network saying, “The only way I’m going to be in charge of the stories is if you give me the music contract.” And the music was completely awful. The whole thing turned into a political nightmare. There was too many people at the top and the network executives hated us. They hated the artists, they hated the Clampett family and the only person they liked was Chuck Lorre, who was making life miserable for everybody.
>The original R&S crew quit midway through production
>Got replaced by hacks who wanted to make this a "writer's cartoon"
This is going to be a shitshow.
They’re going to turn R&S into The Simpsons and Bojack Horseman.
Who wants to bet that the c**t Robyn Byrd wanted them off the show from the start? Just so she can make this more 'socially acceptable' to the crap that gets produced these days
This sounds the exact same as the Animaniacs reboot from what I heard about it in terms of being:
1. Animaniacs 2020 was all about the writers and they kept shooting storyboard additions down
2. That reboot’s writers also hadn’t watched the original show though the other people working on the reboot had but their contributions didn’t matter
This is going to be a piece of fricking garbage.
Why do people keep hiring this useless shit writers?
I don't give a frick if they make Ren and Stimpy to do Fortnite dances and tiktoks
i just want John K to eat shit
sounds like you'd fit right in with the writers working on the reboot then.
Ok troony
Unfortunate for them that I'll be messaging all the crew I can find to inform them about how I was abused as a 15 year old John K fan
Ok MAGAtard
Completely mindbroken.
>Literally an old man
>Still attracting beautiful ladies
Based John K
>Girls still actively going out of their way to meet Jon after everything occurred.
Guess the two girls were fricking lying I guess.
Who is that girl?
The one in that pic? Prob just some fan idk. Definitely not one of the two girls that tried to file suit against him and failed miserably.
Robyn needs to get her ass handed to her for making Ren and Stimpy woke.
Reminder that he visited Japan not long ago and people welcomed him with open arms.
Well Panty and Stocking did make one off villain characters that look like Ren and Stimpy in which Ren killed Stimpy in that world
Japan gave Watsuki, who had CP in his possession, an huge anniversay exhibit for Rurouni Kenshin
frick off homosexual.
John K was the reason why Ren And Stimpy was initially great.
>John K IS the reason Ren and Stimpy was initially great
Fixed that for you.
I carefully worded it because as much as I like John K, I still can't forgive him on what he did in that Adult Party cartoon.
Adult Party Cartoon had problems but it was still somewhat good although not on the level like Season 1-2 Ren and Stimpy. Either way, it's still more iconic than Games Animations Ren and Stimpy.
He didn't have complete creative control you clown, the executives wanted "adult" party cartoon. When he was toning down the show with stuff about the children's crusade it got canceled. it was canceled before they could improve on the initial six episodes. (And half never aired).
>He didn't have complete creative control you clown, the executives wanted "adult" party cartoon
that's a lie, he pushed for more adult content himself
Oh look another mental break of some loser who can't handle discussion about John K without just screaming and shitting himself.
Probably the attitude of someone like Byrd who joined in after trying to get it cancelled. But are you really gonna make good art if you're only interested in making an old fart who might not even watch new cartoons anymore mad
ERM ACTUALLY JOHN ISN'T THE REASON REN AND STIMPY WAS GOOD, REN AND STIMPY WAS GOOD **DESPITE** JOHN K!
Just watch, if Robyn has as many skeletons in her closet like John K did. NOBODY will take her seriously anymore just for fricking up Ren and Stimpy and firing out the original crew who made it good in the first place.
>Writer driven
Wow, it really will be exactly like the Animaniacs reboot, won't it? I don't get it. Why do millenials butcher the things they grew up with?
because they hate cartoons, thats why.
>Why do millenials butcher the things they grew up with?
Because they hate white men and almost all of the people who created those cartoons were that demographic. Brownoids/Femoids can’t create art, they can only destroy it. That’s why all of the older R&S staff left the reboot, because they were treated like shit by the new diverse writing staff that will cram as many “Member’ Berries” and shitty celebrity cameos as possible.
Best part is, Twitter will praise it because they hate John with a passion. Even though despite being a horrible person, he was correct on a lot of his sentiment. Like many other industries, DEI damaged animation significantly and it will probably never recover.
The only thing twitter hates about it is because its writer driven.
>it will probably never recover
It will crash like every other industry hit by DIE and be replaced by people willing to supply the demand for good products.
People will still want cartoons. It's just that nobody will eat the slop.
Twitter will pretend to like it, eventually stop watching because they'll get bored on dunking on spumgays and they don't actually like it and it will be forgotten and cancelled after 2 seasons.
There's also a small chance that it actually will be so bad that everyone will hate it, animation politics aside. But I doubt it.
I've already been informed that artists who arent' working on this are hating that its writer driven. Thank go d there's some light in this world.
>John K, a famously right-wing, whitoid creator ruins his own cartoon when given complete control
>"I-it's brown people's fault! And women! Y-yeah! Women!"
Absolute fricking tool.
John K is not right-wing, he seethes over Drumpf and Republicans. He's just an old liberal, the edgy coomers.
John K isn’t right wing or “bad” politically either way but he IS a fricking child rapist
>waaah waahhh wahhh buhbuh muh John K
You shut the frick up yes he is that’s just a fricking fact. He still had actual talent, hence og R&S was actually good. APC was frickin dogshit though, Christ, the revisionism.
Sorry I can't hear you, I'm too busy listening to Michael Jackson's music.
Made a morning Ren and Stimpy skit https://voca.ro/19ifHL3Eq59l
>Socially molded Zoomer pretends like he has any thoughts of his own
APC was a very innovative show. You're trying to be a "based" complement to the woke Zoomers but are completely failing because you are stuck in the same framework.
Alex Hirsch harvested 18 year old girls pretending he was giving them a job, and I'm baiting you to say it's okay because they were over 18
I'm more bothered by him baiting the girls than him fricking them. I'd do it too lol
Just seeing the show leaks makes me think the writers have to be AI driven since no fricking way this is real. Like this may be worse than Games Era and Adult Party Cartoon. which is one hell of accomplishment.
Cartoonists today have all but abandoned insanity. Their sense of absurdity is sterile, clean, and boring. They are, for all intents and purposes, soulless, and soulless is exactly what they can only produce.
>Cartoonists today have all but abandoned insanity.
What's beyond insanity?
All the overexaggerated facial expressions and movements that people hated about modern-Spongebob need to be put into this
I can't wait until I've canceled every single industry person because they couldn't politely discuss what happened to me as a teenage reader of John's blog.
You were raped by John K.?
guy got raped
john k raped my dad
Me when I have nothing to say
Joy
The teeth episode is the absolute worst thing to get on western animation. Worse than any fan service or adult joke. It’s nightmare fuel
>not a single person bothered to save leak images, which are known to be beholden to DMCA bullshit
The archives were a mistake.
I'm sure someone somewhere did.
A lot of people here probably did but I guess most don't want to get the thread taken down again if they post anything or something