David Lynch's 1984 version is better than the recent Villenueve adaptation
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Why you gonna let my thread die
Because you gave no reasons why, moron.
So
does it even need a reason to be explained to?
ITS A Black person! EVERYONE LOOK AT THE Black person! iM GOING INSANNNEE
So?
Music is better, I think you would agree.
Because you’re a troll. No one holds this opinion unironically other than contrarians and trolls on Cinemaphile
Shame that you can't trust in the sincerity of your peers
Strictly speaking, people who appreciate Lynch's Dune are not his peers, but his superiors. Pretty sure the same guy tried this same No True Scotsman crap with me in a recent thread.
Well said.
Lynch hates dune because the studios cut his movie, there’s a perfect cut on YouTube to watch.
It’s one of the best movies of all time no matter what anyone says
Nice way of claiming that yours is the only opinion that counts.
I unironically enjoy Lynch’s Dune, whether Spicediver, Smithee or Theatrical cut. Villeneuve’s DUNC pt 1 sent me to sleep (literally) the frost two times I tried watching it.
Villeneuve’s DUNC is a brown smear of a film, with dull performances, dull set design, dull dialogue, boring tropes, demotivated characters and nonsensical action scenes (here, let me pose in the middle of this battle and open my faceplate while staring into the camera, that inexplicably moronic shot isn’t at all a fourth-wall break).
The only people praising DUNC are capeshit consoomers, zoomers that have not had a good movie released during their entire lives, and paid shills.
you did it little guy, the big leagues. 300 replies soon! 🙂
No but its theme absolutely slaps
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Theme only good until Toto goes into cheesy rock guitar riffs later in the movie. Than comas off like a bad rock video
You're a soulless ghoul, Jesus Christ.
Is absolute KINO.
Even Lynch disagrees.
I still love the movie, but it's a guilty pleasure. As soon as you look at it rationally for even just two seconds you will realize how literally every part of it is deeply flawed.
True. It has SOVL. DUNC is an abomination.
He doesn't, he's admitted there's a lot of stuff he really likes but he's autistic and fixates on being cucked out of final cut.
>autistic about the final cut
It's not autistic to seethe about something that took 3 years of your life to make, only for them to make you cut 1/3 of it, that missing third playing a huge role in why people say the original Dune is shit
There isn't a missing third of the film. Lynch himself said so.
>original cut of 3 hours (or original intention)
>"no, it has to be 2 hours"
How is that not missing? Have you ever created anything in your life? It's extremely difficult to have to cut down on a story you wrote for only length's sake, or a song, or a movie.
Lynch disagrees only because they took his 3 hour cut and butchered it. Made do reshoots so squeeze it into 2 hours. It’s a good movie is you already know the story. If not, it’s a nonsensical mess. They’ve asked Lynch to do a directors cut and he’s refused until recently
kek False. Lynch even says here that a directors cut is pointless because the majority of the footage is putrefied and shit:
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lol why do Cinemaphile austists huff so much copium about this really thou, trying to defend Lynch's honor like some parasocial manchildren. Lynch hates almost all the footage including the 3 hour version. It's a poor adapation with some fun body horror. That's really it. Everything else in his discography mogs it into oblivion
A director disliking his own work doesn't prevent it from being (correctly) enjoyed by others.
>a poor adaptation
This is the single most wrongheaded and incorrect claim that you've made. It simply is not true. It is a perfectly good adaptaion. I have read the book. Detractors, including you, have never been right about this point. For some reason, with Dune nerds completely forget that a movie is distinct from its source text and the director is allowed to take a few liberties and make a few changes. The little personal touches that Lynch puts into the movie don't alter to become unrecognizable. Not only are all the main beats from the novel intact, but most of the important details are as well. At best they're just permuted a bit toward the beginning (the book opening with the Gom Jabbar, for example). David Lynch's Dune is a perfectly good adaptation of the original book. You are wrong.
>fun body horror
I accept your concession, since it relates to certain of the film's most indelible images. At least you've admitted that the film has something worth liking, which is an important first step in your healing process.
Pedantic point but: film directors don't have discographies. The next time you want to describe any artist's body of work (in any genre), you can simply write "oeuvre". You can use this for your next internet moron fight.
The other anon had the energy to explaon it all to you, so I’ll just say frick off.
Frick off
One of the reasons we know villenimcompoop is a shit director is because he obviously likes his own work.
lynch disagreeing could be a lynchian trap
>Even Lynch disagrees.
He may have said that Dune "directed by Alan Smithee" version is worse than DUNC. You'll have to provide the quote since you made the claim.
I really like the portrayal of the Harkonnens
>Costume design is better
>Set design is intricate and gothic instead of being 1970’s brutalism in space
>Cast isn’t race or gender flipped
>Fremen aren’t suddenly multicultural for no justifiable reason
>Characters are consistent
>Secondary characters have roles and weren’t cut so the director could insert his own pointless shit
>Still has Alia of the Knife
>Harkonnen performances are memorable
>Navigators Guild still a driving force and not an afterthought
>Even a block of wood like McLachlan turned in a believable performance as Paul as opposed to the absolute nonentity that is Chalamet’s Paul
>Charaters remained by and large faithful to the books and didn’t suddenly have new girl power arcs written for them
Remind me again what the frick Vilenoob’s DUNC has over Lynch’s Dune?
Based. Patricians know Lynchdune is the only Dune.
you are such an oversocialized scum being. you'd rather die than be viewed by your fellow bugmen unfavorably.
>Cast isn’t race or gender flipped
I haven't read the books but fremen are supposed to be arabs not whites right? Paul is supposed to be an outsider but he just looks like the rest of the fremen.
They’re descendants of a wandering bunch of Semitic religious extremists who got punted from planet to planet until they settled in Arrakis (sound familiar?). Which was at the time an unwanted desert planet because Spice hadn’t really been discovered at the time.
There is literally no cultural, scientific or biological reason for there to be Fremen who arren’t basically white Arabs (think Syrians).
I thought spice was the only way to travel in space?
iirc it wasn't for a while until Spice basically gave them FTL travel that didn't need machines to calculate it for them.
Initially humanity spread using AI for navigation. Butlerian Jihad stopped this phase. FTL travel was reinvented with discovering properties of the spice.
>Even a block of wood like McLachlan turned in a believable performance as Paul as opposed to the absolute nonentity that is Chalamet’s Paul
Timmy pulled off the suppressed rage, and later brazen misanthropy, pretty well I think.
Rage came from nowhere. Most second movie his a b***h little kid. Scared of
going to south le bad thing happen. Does anyways, Takes worm juice immoderately turns into Hitler. Where MacLachlan was pissed the minute his dad died
You missed the whole point of the movie. He knew right from the start that going to the south and the galactic gigaholocaust were inevitable. He also knew it was what he actually wanted. He just wanted to be, and for most of the movie pretended he was, someone who didn't want these things. But it was just a lie he was telling himself, a mask he gave up and let slip when faced with the choice between dying as a pointless martyr in the desert, or accepting his destiny.
That's very well said.
You’re movie sucks when people have to
make 40 threads to explain supposedly what the director was intending. Hell, I just watched John Carpebter Christine. And transition with kid going bad because of a evil car was a lot more coherent than this shit. So much wasted time on pointless shit
I mean, the car was pretty sexy. I'd turn evil if I got to frick it
She does have a nice tail pipe
>the movie sucks when I have to think
>You’re movie sucks when people have to make 40 threads to explain supposedly what the director was intending.
Maybe you're just stupid, and missed pretty obvious storytelling. It's not like it was invented in the movie, this was the point of the book too. The fundamental conflict between what we want a hero to look like versus what is actually required for substantive change.
He said to his mom near the start that they had to convert the nonbelievers, then right after he put on the reluctant leader act, and Stilgar was only more convinced by his faux humility. Paul was always going to go south.
>a mask he gave up and let slip when faced with the choice between dying as a pointless martyr in the desert, or accepting his destiny
When did this happen?
From what I remember of DUNC 2, Sietch Tabr is attacked and then Paul wants everyone to go south and leave him behind but walks away angry and touches a rock which starts a vision literally telling him to go south and take the water of life. The poison then turns him brainwashed like state
Did I miss some nuance here? At what point did his mask slip?
he was a screeching moron
>suppressed rage
Suppressed everything, three hours on screen with two facial expressions isn’t winning anyone over. Villeneuve’s insistence on de-humanifying everything from setting to characters to set may enthrall aspies but for people who prefer a solid emotional core to their media it’s definitely a bad choice.
“I’m proud of everything except ‘Dune,'” Lynch answered. “I’ve liked so much working on different movies. It’s not so much about pride but the enjoyment of doing, the enjoyment of the work. I’ve enjoyed working in all these different mediums. I feel really lucky to have been able to enjoy those things and to be able to live.”
Lynch referred to his 1984 “Dune” adaptation as a “gigantic sadness in [his] life” because of the lack of creative freedom he received from the studio during the film, including being given a tepid budget to work with. During an interview in April Lynch said he had “zero interest” in seeing Denis Villeneuve’s upcoming new “Dune” adaptation because it will bring back too many painful memories.
Oh so if Lynch doesn’t like it I can’t either?
I wonder if he watched the superior SciFi version
It is the smoothest brain take to appeal to authority.
>Even Lynch disagrees.
Even fans of the Lynch adaptation are split on whether it's a good movie/adaptation, with some outright saying it's shit (despite their enjoyment of the movie).
>As soon as you look at it rationally
Well then... don't?
>Even Lynch disagrees
Who cares? Cult of personality shit, can't you make up your own mind? This is why e-celeb homosexuals thrive so much.
Watch a Lynch interview from 1985 or earlier
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nah, I think I'll just keep repeating that Lynch hated his work and disowned it
He loved his work until it released and then he didn't like the mean things critics said to him so he stopped loving his work
>then he didn't like the mean things critics said to him
Bullshit. He disliked that he didn't have final cut. That's all there ever was about it.
If Lynch stopped liking every film of his that critics said stupid shit about, he'd have to hate his whole oevre.
In interviews (before release) he said he got the film down to 2 hrs 20 minutes and he was happy with it
It's only after 1985 that "the studio" gets to be the big villain
>he got the film down to 2 hrs 20 minutes and he was happy with it
Yes, and the studio apparently wasn't, which is why THEY recut it.
Easily.
In every but as an adaptation of the book's themes and ideas it's the superior film. Villeneuve's is also a shit adaptation, but it has no good visuals, music, or casting going for it. Useless fricking waste of time.
>Villeneuve's is also a shit adaptation, but it has no good visuals, music, or casting going for it
wtf are you talking about, music and visuals are the only two things that Villeneuve gets unquestionably right.
casting is not even bad except for Chani either.
if Villeneuve fixed the pacing and stopped fricking with the story in moronic ways it would be a very good movie.
>music and visuals are the only two things that Villeneuve gets unquestionably right.
Villeneuve knows nothing about either music or visuals. He has other people do those for him. And it turns out both of those, Hans Zimmer and Greg Fraser, suck at what they're doing.
nta but yeah the visuals are good but I was a little disappointed in how unmemorable most of them were. I had high hopes for the spice orgy and Pauls water change sequence but they both fell pretty flat. Good overall regardless
>yeah the visuals are good
No, they are not.
elaborate.
I thought they were at least a step above the average blockbuster look, which is good in my book
Everything is dull in design with drab colors and shows a lack of imagination!!!FACT!!!
>elaborate.
no, it isn't
>weirding way is just yelling random noises that make a raygun shoot things
I will never forgive this decision.
Everything about the Harkonnen was based as frick and Alia was giga kino
>SQUEEZE, SQUEEZE ANON SQUEEZE
>GIVE ME MORE (You)s
the guy playing the Baron was so fricking kino it's unbelievable how entertaining he was. going from that to whoever the frick played Baron in DUNC is like going from a fine meal to goyslop.
>two midgets electrocuting an upside-down cow
>rabban punching a midget
The sets, acting and costume design in Dune make Dunc look like a generic videogame.
SOVL vs soulless.
indeed
There's a secret inside dune
Do you know the secret?
It has some cool elements, but it sucks and to pretend it's good is just being contrarian.
It gets the core story wrong in a pretty deep way
Not really. So, DUNC does? The same story that ruined Chani and made Liet Kynes a black woman? That destroyed Alia's entire character?
I don't have to defend DUNC to point out the flaws in Lynch Dune.
It'd be great if you did that instead of making open-ended statements.
It would, wouldn't it?
How exactly did it get the story wrong?
>inb4 PAUL IS LE HECKIN VILLAIN AND LE JIHAD IS LE BAD AND PROPHECY IS LE FAKE
i have a Weirding Module and im not afraid to use it punk
I don't think you've read Dune
Cani was barely a character in the original Dune. Literally just a boilerplate beautiful woman who worships the protagonist, like every other Fremen. I prefer Villeneuve's Chani, it adds more friction to the story
Jesus, you freaks are such caricatures. That's who Chani is. She's a beautiful and simple woman. But no, she has to be made masculine and subverted and you will eat it up because you are evil and you don't even know it. It adds nothing since Paul, in DUNC 2, still says she comes back to him.
>That's who Chani is. She's a beautiful and simple woman.
Damn, we've really missed on an essential character then! Dune is ruined!
Just admit that she's a boring unessential character lmao
You're an evil fricking creature who can't just accept a simple and pure woman character like Chani without her being subverted in your sick preference. have a nice day.
Fricking filtered and doesn't get the entire point of Chani
What does it add to the story that chani is too moronic to understand political nuances?
She understands political nuance perfectly, she's the only one who is seeing through Paul's bullshit.
I'm more right wing than you, I'm just not as moronic as you are. I don't care about your empty political signaling, it is still the case that Villeneuve's Chani is a better contribution to the story, narratively speaking. Now go call someone else a troony and then go jack off to shemale porn, homosexual.
DUNC Chani is a waste and cancer.
>I'm more right wing than you
Kys
Yeah that's clearly what her storming off is about.
Not her wounded ego but because she knows pauls grand scheme and is much wiser than him.
Did you watch the film on mute without subtitles?
Keep seething and dilating
There's no need to have Chani serve a role as a dissenter/doubter when fricking paul was that. And you can just have him interact with stilgar and his mother and others to really drive that home. I mean rather than just state out loud "Stilgar used to be my friend, now he's a follower" you can have Stilgar increasingly simp for Paul and go from fatherly mentor to mindless believer. Or you can just have twitter-zoomer one-step away from saying 'colonizers' and 'white savior' b***h about a non-fremen saving the Fremen.
If they wanted her to be a friction
then just give her more gravitas and dignity than a teenage brat smug atheist.
>There's no need to have Chani serve a role as a dissenter/doubter when fricking paul was that.
It wasn't needed in the book, but it was in the movie, mostly because we can't hear the inner thoughts of the characters. So, in a sense, Paul's character is split into two: Chalamet represents the Paul everyone sees, while Zendaya represents Paul's doubts (which before Messiah are mostly presented through inner dialogue).
Dunno why so many people miss this very evident point.
>Zendaya represents Paul's doubts
>Dunno why so many people miss this very evident point.
Because that is not and never has been Chani’s role, you imbecile?
Chani having a STRONG BIPOC WOMAN GURLBOSS OF POWAH WHO DON’T NEED NO KWISATZ HADERACH moment is Villeneuve capitulating yet another core aspect of the source material to modern-day identity politics.
This was always going to be the case. You can't have Gen Z icon Zendaya in the role and have her sit around aimlessly like book Chani. The problem is that Villeneuve goes beyond just giving her more to do but makes her an explicit vehicle for the movies already obvious theme. It makes her seem out of place compared to the other characters when she's strangely the only one to voice dissent. And because the other characters can't stray far from their source, they ignore her and she just sort of screams into the void, making it seem like she's talking to the audience directly.
All of the criticisms of Paul as a white savior is done entirely in his inner monologue in the book. How do you capture that on screen? Chani being the voice of reason who understands that Paul and Jessica are ultimately enslaving the fremen was a smart change, you just can't help but project your own virgin insecurities onto it.
I'm sure there's a way to convey these ideas with more gravitas through the interactions between Paul, Stilgar, Jessica, and Chani. It's not clear to me why she's the only Fremen that sees through the illusion so to speak and everyone else, Stilgar included, turns into a bumbling BWC sucking zealot
Correct me if I'm wrong but did they actually spend any time exploring Zendaya's criticisms beyond "another racial group can't lead us"? (I'm guessing she's not Liets daughter in this version). Or Stilgars for that matter?
Try harder, Moshe
>Not really. So, DUNC does? The same story that ruined Chani and made Liet Kynes a black woman?
So Paul making it rain on Arrakis with literal magic is more faithful to the source material than making Kynes a black woman? This is your brain on chud.
>making it rain on Arrakis with literal magic
No much for you being able to understand allegory.
>more faithful to the source material than making Kynes a black woman
Yes.
>can't really take Lynch's dune seriously
Seems like a capeshitter problem.
There is no magic in Dune and Herbert HATED the rain part
>There is no magic in Dune
Look up what an "allegory" is, brainlet.
>Last time I watched a capeshit offering was "watchmen" in 2009.
Oh, so you haven't seen DUNC then?
Oh shit allegory tard is back. His post is an allegory btw. And so is mine.
I'm not into capeshit. Last time I watched a capeshit offering was "watchmen" in 2009. It was dire.
Are you aware of what "conjecture" is and how inadequate it is at explaining the world?
Anyhoo, I read the books and enjoyed the Lynch movie in the mid 90's (when I was a teenager). The children of dune series was ok. DUNC, although not perfect, is the better film/television offering of the lot.
I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you should probably toughen up a bit if it does?
Its visuals, tone, and music are all pure Dune. This makes it an enjoyable watch for any Dune fan, unlike the new one which also butchers the story but doesn't compensate for it.
Lynch's Dune is the only Dune. End of.
>is just being contrarian
Welcome to Cinemaphile.
>to pretend it's good is just being contrarian.
So ... Frank Herbert was a "contrarian" when it comes to Dune. Noted.
Explain to me how you 'milk' a cat.
Wrong board
If you can't do it you die. Simple as.
>Explain to me how you 'milk' a cat.
Same way you milk any mammal: You apply suction to its nipples. Has to be a female though, and given birth.
Both are absolutely mogged by the 2000 Sci-Fi miniseries
Miniseries Baron > Dune Baron > lmao > DUNC Baron
Harkonnens and the soundtrack were better by far (Zimmer needs to be fricking killed already), Mentants were better although I liked Thufir doing the Mentant Trance in DUNC (despite it technically not being depicted until the later books). Lynch's Dune had some absolute thespians in roles but shitty characterisations.
This for sure, Harkonnens are so lame in DUNC.
Yeah when I read Villaneuve cut Alia completely I knew I wasn't gonna pay to see DUNC 2, which was disappointing because I did like DUNC.
I think DUNC part one is a great adaptation though, only one to actually get Duncan Idaho's death properly, and did a decent job of most of the characters despite aesthetic changes (Keynes is good despite being genderswapped, she covered both aspects of the character well). DUNC also was able to explain the story and character motivations without the crutch of voiceover narration which litters Lynch Dune horribly, or a not-in-the-book scene with all the characters talking about things expositionally.
I haven't seen DUNC 2 yet because the changes to the story made me not want to. Biggest complaint about Lynch Dune was the off the wall nonsense of the wierding modules and magic rain on Arrakis, the story doesn't need to be changed out to make a good adaptation.
Miniseries still the best though
Alia isn't cut completely. You'd here alot more book fans upset and not just those on this board if that was the case. Her creepy sentient presence is all throughout the movie while in utero
>here alot
Please pass elementary English then have a nice day.
>I haven't seen DUNC 2 yet because the changes to the story made me not want to.
This is a very dumb way to approach adaptations. There are many cases in which the adaptation surpasses the source material due to its changes, or at the very least becomes something so different that it becomes useless to compare the two. The Shining is probably the most famous example of it.
>Miniseries still the best though
It's a shame it had such poor acting and CGI. I can tolerate it since I love the source material (and since I can see it comes from a place of love), but the poor production quality makes it repelling to virtually everyone who is not already in love with the books.
>There are many cases in which the adaptation surpasses the source material
Name three such cases you pseud frick.
The soundtrack is better too. DUNC just didn't look good to me and I couldn't hum a note of it's music.
This song alone elevates Dune 84 to ultrakino status. SOVL dripping in each note.
Fact is, Lynch’s Dune is more memorable. The music. The cast. The sets. Dunc maybe “superior” but it’s so forgettable
I'll be honest with you, anon. I'd rather make something that is thought of as 'le bad' but people remember it and talk about it and have a reverence for in how it sticks with them than some 'acclaimed' goyslop that no one remembers or really likes. It's like the saying goes 'everybody loves you but no one LIKES you'. People may "love" DUNC but no one actually likes it. Lynch's Dune birthed iconography and quotes and visual languange that is synonymous with Dune.
>HE WHO CONTROLS THE SPICE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE
Name one thing that's actually superior.
The only thing I can think of is some of the obviously bad effects like at the end when they're on the worm.
But I dont honestly think it's that bad and it adds to the weird corny but earnest appeal of the whole movie somehow.
Literally everything else is better in Dune.
>Literally everything else is better in Dune.
NTA you're talking to, but see
Weirding way turned into weirding modules is fricking stupid beyond belief.
>Weirding way turned into weirding modules is fricking stupid beyond belief.
It's not as stupid as leaving out alia.
Hard agree. I love Lynch's version (or, the spicediver edit at least), but the weirding modules make me irrationally angry.
>HEEEEEEEEEE-TAH
>*BLAM*
>Weirding way turned into weirding modules is fricking stupid beyond belief.
Why? The weirding way from the books doesn't work cinematically. (See the TV movie version.) Paul W.S. Anderson tried to do the Weirding Way in the last RE movie because he has Dune on the brain. (The monster that kills everyone in the novelization is called The Melange.) It looks goofy as shit to try to portray a human being that has total control in combat and can move inhumanly quickly. The new Dune remakes leave out the Weirding Way entirely.
Lynch's solution was to take the idea of "my name is a killing word" and reimagine it as technology that transforms sound into destruction. It's something that works cinematically.
Lynch didn’t also want to just use lasers and be accused of ripping Star Wars off
>me trying to watch DUNC
This. What is actually 'superior'? Nothing. I go back and watch scenes from Dune at random times to marvel at how good they are.
>the ending
>the Alia knife dance
>the Baron killing the flower boy
>the end credits
>the riding of Shai-Hulud
>the Gom Jabbar scene
>the death of Leto
>the arrival of Feyd
>the duel of Feyd/Paul
>Thufir's sacrifice and refusal to betray Paul
It's brimming with soul and love each scene.
I like lynchs dune but riding the worm looks kind of like shit. Atleast when he climbs up on it.
When Paul meets the Freman it goes too shit. Too rushed. Zero chemistry with Feman. His romance with Shani there is none. They just frick right away. Never explain how Emperor got ahold of Alia. Or what happened to Barren nephew. You just see his head
>They just frick right away.
This is how real relationships go incel
>incel
Are you moronic? Even fan cuts can't hode the fact the movie skips weeks
Sometimes. Most relationships require time to develop.
>Zero chemistry with Feman
As opposed to lisan al chigur? You cannot be serious. It's like those two are in completely different movies awkwardly spliced together.
>His romance with Shani there is none
I dont think it impacts the story to leave out the I hate sand it's coarse and it's rough and it gets everywhere phase of their relationship and assume it happens offscreen and /or assume she's just blown away by meeting literally jesus
And again, I'll take it with all the flaws over zendaya girlbossing her ugly moping visage around
>Or what happened to Barren nephew. You just see his head
It's never explained why the guy in charge of the planet who fricked up in every way and let the entire situation get out of control who is also explicitly shown to be a sadistic butthole more interested in his own amusement than carrying out his job was punished?
Oh damn, epic plothole, what do you reckon happened?
The emperor was so happy with his performance he accidentally hugged him to death?
Anon, I prefer Lynch’s version but don’t pretend not flawed because studio chopped it down. His original cut was 3 hours before FX was even put in. So likely would’ve been 3 and a half hours easy. Hoped we’d get a directors cut but it won’t happen
Fair enough but the questions was specifically to name something Dunc does better than Dune, not list the flaws of Dune of which there are many.
Because Dunc had luxury of being 2 parts. Plot was more explained and got spend more time with characters like Ducan. If didn’t know the book and just saw Lynch version plot confusing and many characters would seem unimportant. Again, because studio demanded a 2 hour cut
I dont think it's that confusing and I dont think giving duncan momoa screentime was a good thing.
And the fanedits solve several issues.
And by comparison it feels like Dunc wastes a lot of time like how they have 2 paul and his mom basically flee and crash twice in row.
>Plot was more explained
Uhhhhh no? Massive chunks of the novels plot were excised so we could have long boring shots of landing scenes, ritual processions, boring proclamations, Sardaukar rituals, Duncan flying around and treating Paul like a kid instead of a Duke’s son, etc etc.
In Lynch’s Dune when the spacing guild sent a late-stage navigator to have a little chat with the Emperor, the Emperor stood up to listen, because he knows that he needs their compliance to remain emperor. Much as he needs compliance from the Landsraad, the Grey Houses, the Bene Gesserit, and the Mentats.
DUNC simply eliminates much of the political background becaue Villenoob isn’t a good enough writer/director to include it in a PG-rated movie clearly designed for 80IQ normies.
I loved Lynch’s navigators
Designed by the same guy that did E.T. the Extraterrestrial for Spielberg
Nice! Love how alien and weird they look and how they just float
Weird AF, as they should be.
I love the Navigators. This is the single best aspect about Dune 84. I was really hoping for just one shot of a Navigator when the Emperor traveled to Dune.
I doubt many people here have read the House Trilogy, but in them there is a really cool story arc about how someone becomes a Navigator. It's a super fascinating element.
Yea, I haven't liked any of the other navigator depictions as much
Yeah, that isn't very interesting. Kinda goofy really.
OP. So saw Dunc 2. At the end, a huge Black person stood up pissed. “Where the frick where The Navigators!” he kept going off. I laughed but what’s sad is most zoomer audience had no fricking idea what he was talking about
love me some navigators lol
Based
That's an axolotl. The navigators are the gay mutants
No. Axolotl is just a tank. That is a Navigator pre CGI FX
They cut like a hour. Imagine the kino if they didn't. We gotta kidnap and force Lynch to make a directors cut.
Dunc actually adapts the book in that Paul isn’t a literal chosen one with a magic shout fulfilling a prophecy, he’s using ancient BG implanted religious codes to usurp the Fremen into his legion.
Lynch dune failed to explore that and made Paul literally Jesus
But Paul and Leto II literally are the chosen ones. It's true that the Fremen religion is fake, but they're still the Kwisatz Haderach, virtually perfect prescient human beings who are the product of an eugenic program which lasted thousands of years. In a sci-fi scenario you cannot be more of a Chosen One than them
>Dunc maybe “superior”
It is in no way at all superior
It has colors as well. DUNC forgot the sick guitar riff too
Would have been cool if the film was a hit and Lynch went on to make the rest of the series
would have been better than Twin Peaks anyways
No Alia?
No Dune.
End of. Frick Denis Villabananas and frick whoever approved of that hack to rape Dune.
kek my gf asked if the harkonnen men were trash bags
filtered
This was cool
just wish Kid Alia showed up at the end when Paul meets The Emperor.
It would show the passage of time (or at least show Alia as a baby)
obvious pedo is obvious, frick off back to your anime boards
If he's a pedo for liking a child character in a film, then what does that make you for preferring a CGI fetus?
>7/10 boring af and wouldnt recommend watching it
>4/10 movie is fricking bonkers and a generally good time
why are internet critics like this?
because they're oversocialized bugmen who can't and haven't felt anything resembling a sincere and true/pure human emotion in their lives. just go with the herd, just go with the herd...
Critics never liked Lynch
that's because every movie he ever made was complete dogshit
Dunc is a fricking horrible story.
Frank Herbert was a child abuser.
Cope
Villenueve sucks
Most memorable thing to come out of Dunc is a popcorn bucket
The only people who hate 1984 dune were raised by single moms.
nah
first half is good. second half is a fricking mess. at least in the new movie, i understood who the frick feyd was and why i should care about his fight with paul
>Even Lynch disagrees.
I don't see how it matters. For example, Milla Jovovich hates Resident Evil Apocalypse and Ultraviolet to the point of publicly shit-talking the directors of both movies and calling Kurt Wimmer a "cad". Yet this glorious mess of a movie is both bold and influential. (Where do you think The Last Jedi's climax came from?)
Sometimes a movie does something really bold and interesting, and the people involved fricking hate it. RoboCop 2 does a lot of interesting stuff, and the lead actress fricking despises the movie and its director.
Every person who works on a Terrence Malick film tends to think Malick is a hack and his movies fricking suck. But that doesn't change that his films are bold and interesting.
>thanks for giving me a job
>your movies fricking suck btw and I hate you
Any actor who does this shit needs to be blackballed for life.
Dune sucks because lynch was trying to make a mainstream film after the success of elephant man.
The problem is Lynch can only make lynchian films, any attempt to making something else is dishonest and thus trash
I watched this. It became clear to me the Lynch hated the source material. He wanted it to look as gay and moronic as was within his reach. In that way, he reached his goal as an artist and director.
He liked the book and why he agreed to do it
I heard tales about a 5 hour cut, does it exist? Already watched the 3 hour one
I did a 5 hour cut when back in my emo phase
It's just a workprint with no vfx or sound editing
It gets points for visual inventiveness, but even DUNC with it's severely abridged and streamlined story is still the better adaptation.
15 years nobody will remember Villeneuve just like mini series her this version will continued to be memed
Brother the only reason you're in this thread is because of Villeneuve's version.
no comparison.
villenueve makes bland, boring, empty chillout music videos that are supposed to be left on middle of the night tv channels for drug addicts to have on in the background after returning from clubs.
No? lmao. spoken like a true dork whose never touched a drug in his life. Nobody's vegging out to DUNC, dude. what about Dune (2021) is cinematic muzak? moron. we're approaching total semantic collapse here, you don't even know the words you're stringing together anymore
Dune franchise was meant to be an animated series
The only problem is how do you end it with Chapterhouse dune? Just have all the characters show up at the end and fly away for a happy ending? (or whatever happens at the end of that one...i really didnt' care for chapterhouse)
Facedancers, frick the stupid robot shit Brian and KJA fricked in. It was what happens when the Tleilaxu fricked around too long.
It was obviously the face dancers
How dumb does Anderson have to be to go with robots ?
Though I don’t know how you really write a proper ending to the Dune series even if you use the Face Dancers.
controversial opinion OP
totally disagree for numerous reasons not limited to casting cooper from twin peaks who was too old. And my opinion matters because I read the first 4 books in the series
MacLachlan was 25. Chalamet was 26!!
did you guys like the fanservicey parts like gurney getting his revenge and paul killing the baron? honestly thought they were pretty cool but delt a bit conflicted, like in the book paul doesn't get his perfect revenge and that was probably for a reason. and him cucking gurney out of the battle with feyd hits harder because that was gurney's last chance at revenge and paul just takes it from him because he can.
Gonna be real with you senpai the "this is for my friends!" was kina cringe senpai
Frankly there wasn't a good reason to deny the revenge in the book.
I didn’t miss it at all. I’ve read the book. And transition was shit. Wasn’t gradual. Maybe instead focusing on a unnecessary overlong gladiator scene or sand dancing they could’ve worked on Paul’s transition better
There was no transition. He just allowed himself to be the person he really was, once there was no more delaying the choice.
You means Paul's transition to Paula?
Paul's journey isn't about growth - it's about him stopping the cope and accepting the inevitability of his destiny.
>book: Alia kills Vlad Harkonnen
>DUNC: Paul kills Baron V H
>Fan service
Uh anon I hate to tell you but…
Well he is correct. In the book we have followed Paul since the beginning and he experienced the Harkonnen attack, had to come to grips with the man that raised him now being dead, etc. Compare that to Alia that appears 2/3rds in the book, was knew Leto, did not experience the attack, etc. (outside of abstractions involving ancestory memory). Plus Paul calls him "Grandfather" and we see the fear on his face before he sticks him in the throat. That is verses the Alia versions where the Baron didn't have to gape in fear and he realised death was about to come - he was unexpectedly pricked by the Gom Jabbar and died immediately, with Alia only calling him "Grandfather" after the fat frick could not longer hear this because he was fricking dead. By any metric, the DUNC 2 version conforms way more to a fan servicey conception of the Baron's death.
villeneuve dicksucker. The Lynch baron death scene was exquisite art by comparison.
>The Lynch baron death scene was exquisite art by comparison.
>exquisite art
Lol
Seems like someone here has a problem with anything that isn't drab and boring.
It's certainly never boring but the movie has so much unintentional hilarity and I dislike the score when it leans into those guitar riffs - the prophecy theme is still the best Dune-related soundtrack ever though and the best bit of music in all three of the major live action adaptions
lmao everyone defending this absolute garbage is a moron. it's not even accurate to the novel it's just plain bad
Bong miniseries > hodorowski > lynch > DUNC
Of course is better. Prettier princess, prettier desert concubine, OP e-girl, and awesome weirding modules. Villenueve's only has a better Duncan in the first part and better Lady Jessica and Stilgar in the second part.
No Witt as older Atita
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A friend asked me how '84 Chani contrasts to DUNC Chani and I realized that I couldn't recall a single line (apart from the duel with Feyd when she yells Paul's name). I've practically memorized the dialogue from that movie too. Sean Young just kind of stands there the whole time, maybe it was the direction or whatever. Say what you will about Zendaya but you can't say her performance was wooden.
They gave Zendaya more to do, but on the other hand, she's there to beat the audience over the head with the theme of "beware of the Messiah complex" if you're too dumb to get basic subtext.
>This prophecy is what's making us slaves!!!
It's organic enough where it doesn't feel too forced, but it does stand out as very literal more than once.
Also Sean Young is on another planet when it comes to attractiveness, so there's that.
>They gave Zendaya more to do
Giving your worst actor on set (safe for Christopher Walken, I guess) more to do is never a good idea.
Sean Young is also a shitty actress, so that is not saying much.
she was absolutely fine and memorable in brade runner and ace ventura
she also has excellent political views which I suspect is why you don't like her.
>which I suspect is why you don't like her
You have brain rot, you schizo.
I don't give a shit about actors personal (or political) opinions, one way or the other, because they're not my buddies.
She delivers lines like a robot, which is fine in BR, and not in anything else.
>This prophecy is what's making us slaves!!!
I didn't think this was organic at all. Imagine going to Meccah and talking shit about the Prophet PBUH and everyone just sits quietly.
It's silly and ignores the nuances of what's happening in the story. Who the frick is enslaving them if this path presumably ends with her on the imperial throne?
>Is her skepticism is a DUNC thing exclusively?
Pretty much.
Chani was a fairly inactive pragmatist in the source but she becomes an emotional idealist here that exists to give the fremen the appearance of ant-colonial agency
nipple flaps
SUS AF
this thread again...
Can i dislike both? i couldn't care less about big budget blockbuster flavor of the month #2465246 but never, under any circunstance, not even at gunpoint, i will say that lynch dune its even watchable (pugs are funny tho) just for being a contrarian to box office results and critics.
LYNCHED
Meh, I liked blue velvet and some chapters of twin peaks s3.
I actually liked Dune Part 2. But I liked the Lynch version better. I'm not being a contrarian
I dont hate Denis Dune, just dont care, its just...a high budget sci fi movie who is not completly marvelslop. Wow such an achievement. Liked this emperor ver tho. Christopher Walken did the job and the princess was ok but the rest was the definition of "meh", also liked the princess irulan.
On the other had lynch dune...ugh. i like pugs and navigators i guess... but that is as much positive things that i can said about that version.
This. Yes, CGI and and FX was supposedly superior blah, blah. Movie is like AVATAR . Immediately forgettable. People can fume over Lynchs’s movie but it’s still remembered. Every meme I see of Dune is Lynch’s version . Trash Lynch all you want. His shit sticks in your brain like Kubrick
I'm with you on that, except about the Emperor
Not sure what they were going for when they cast Walken and just had him sit around dumbfounded the whole time. I guess the Emperor wasn't a super well defined character in the book anyway so not much is lost
the three part tv-mini series from 2000 was surprisingly kino
This movie was only interesting for the first 30 minutes.
Compared to the new version, Lynch's Fremen and Chani are boring and lack any personality.
jodorowski dune is the best
delusional like all lynchgays
The only people that don't like Lynch's Dune are normies and zoomers who screech just because it looks dated and doesn't have the latest CGI slop, they won't admit it tho
Ironic that this is the only Lynch film I like. With Villeneuve's I was expecting to see high saturation like Fury Road but it turned out to be washed out white. I re-watched Dunc last week though and it's actually quite good. I really appreciate the effects like this screw bomb.
absolutely. it's flawed and kinda cheesy, but at least it's not monotone, ugly and boring like the blackrock 2021 edition
No it isnt and even Lynch himself hates it, frick off gay.
>even Lynch himself hates it
Half-truths, as always from VIlleneuve drones.
Contrarianism and homosexualry, from Dunc haters.
>Contrarianism
Go back to /r/eddit if you have a problem with people thinking for themselves.
...moron, I'm not making a comment one way or the other whether the Baron's death was better at Alia's hand or Paul's, only that the DUNC 2 change conforms to a more conventional idea of a satisfying villain death
>the main protagonist we have followed from the beginning who's loved ones he personally knew died as part of the villain's attack that he also experienced and forced to run from returning victorious, personally stands over the villain, whispers the grandfather thing, watches villain gape up at him in absolutely fear before he slays him
VS.
>secondary character introduced 2/3rd into book that neither knew the people killed by the villain's attack nor had to experienced directly spends a chapter roasting villain rather than reducing him the previously smug and imperious antagonist to a cowering wreck, gets in a sneak attack, villain dies immediately before even realising what has even happened, and whispers to grandfather thing to him only have he's dead and no longer conscious
One is CLEARLY far more conventional than the other. That's a fact anyone can acknowledge.
Meant for:
The Spicedivers' edit is great too. New cut scenes were found recently
I got the Bluray. Is there a 4K bluray of it?
Brutalism chads won. Cry more fatties, DUNC a billion dollar franchise kek
>spend 350M on making the films
>spend another 200M on marketing them
>500M of the box office revenue go to the cinemas/ditributors
>"DUNC a billion dollar franchise kek"
It's not
In every 1984 Dune thread, I will always take a moment to take pride in myself that I kickstarted Dune conversations in Cinemaphile, approximately 10 years ago.
Hell, given the impact Cinemaphile has in the internet, I may as well have indirectly inspired the creation of the new movies.
Thanks for nothing assshole
I haven't seen either, but I'm more interested in checking out Lynch's sometime because 80s sci-fi and fantasy is way cooler than 2020s sci-fi and fantasy. The pics I've seen of nu Dune don't look as good as the ones I've seen of Lynch's.
Lynch's has better sets and costumes (for the most part, those Sardaukars at the end are kek worthy) but obviously worse special effects, especially for the ships.
>muh CGI is better than practical effects
Ask me how I can tell that you were born after Y2K.
I might watch both in the future to compare.
The only effects in Lynch's Dune that are actually downright bad, to the point where you go "wow what the frick were they thinking" are the shield effects. Everything else is overblown.
Did you forget that their thopters are flying boxes that look like they came from an Ed Wood movie?
And Villeneuve's SW-prequel-tier CGI dragonflies are better?
Nta but yes
Horrible take. You'll eat your own words ten years from now.
Flying boxes that would look dated even in a PS1 cutscene aren't good just because you want to suck David Lynch's weiner.
>would look dated even in a PS1 cutscene
They're literally practical effects, mate. Practical effects don't age. Your "muh PS1 cutscene" bullshit doesn't work.
Speaking of: How come DUNC's CGI is mostly on a PS2 liver-render level?
>Practical effects don't age.
Absolutely delusional Lynch dickrider
>the inferior chattle-like "human" speaks again
To be a vanilla-nova simp is to expose yourself as someone that would justly be enslaved in previous and more civilized eras.
Binary minded moron. The only thing I said about DUNC is that the thropters are better than the lazy shit in Lynch's. But Lynchgays like (You) are absolute raving fanatics who can't handle any kind of criticism.
Me? Person. You? Chattle and slave that would be whipped to death in just world. Got it?
>run out of arguments
>you'd be a slave!
>I, on the other hand, am very intelligent for consuming the films of David Lynch
As you cannot be enslaved in our modern woke and uncivilized world, you do realise the moral thing for you to do is to have a nice day? Make room for actual people of character and conviction like me.
That one didn't age. Looked like a puppet back in the 1980s, looks like a puppet now.
Now, the "Special Editions", those aged quite a bit. All the CG in those were brand new and everyone was impressed what's possible back in the mid-90s. But they simply cannot compare to what's possible now. Just like today's CGI will look like cheap shit in a decade or two.
Absolutely and you're delusional if you think otherwise
>villianova: gaudy, overdesigned, book inaccurate shit
>lynch: timeless artistic compromise with the sauce as well as own identity that is iconic
You're so stupid and inferior - if we lived 500 years ago people like me would enslave you because you're barely human
Replied to the wrong post, anon?
No you moronic chattle slop slurping slave golen of yids, I'm a person and knew exactly what I was replying to.
>knew exactly what I was replying to.
Then how did you not recognize that the post largely agreed with your point?
I am done with you chattle golem. "Plans within plans" is what is written in the book. You can recognize it because you are an animal.
Are you drunk?
They’re totally different animals, I avoided seeing DUNC for the longest time because I was an avowed Lynch admirer. I would see DUNC in theatres when you can because you won’t get another chance for a while.
Is her skepticism is a DUNC thing exclusively? I haven’t read the novels. And yes, Sean Young is smexy.
At least Lynch gave DUNE style and I'm not even a fan of his. These last two movies look like generic open world sandbox games!!!FACT!!!
No, and not even lynch believes that, its just peak contrarianism
>not even lynch believes that
Lynch hasn't even seen DUNC, so he wouldn't believe anything, moron.
Because he hated the experience of his own version so much that he doesnt want to even touch anything that reminds him of that
>he hated the experience of his own version so much
No, fricktard. He hated that the studio didn't let him have final cut. That's quite literally the one thing that ruins it for him.
>he doesnt want to even touch anything that reminds him of that
Kyle MacLachlan became a lifelong friend and he's cast him in many of his works since. He's also cast Jürgen Prochnow, Dean Stockwell, Alicia Witt and Everett McGill again, all of whom he met on the Dune set. He's also cast Miguel Ferrer, the son of Jose Ferrer, who played the emperor in Dune. And he let Dino DiLaurentiis, the guy who produced Dune and was partially responsible for Lynch not getting final cut, produce his very next film, Blue Velvet.
So, yes, he did "touch" a lot of things that remind hime of Dune. You're just full of shit, like all Villeneuve bootlickers.
dunc could never inspire techno bangers like Dune84 did
second best, first is Balsamique's
It has moments and aspects that are better but as a cohesive project DUNC is better. I enjoy both of them but can't really take Lynch's dune seriously
Gun to head, I pick the Lynch version. I still think neither version holds a candle to the book.
Over 9000 hours in ms paint eh?
Stay salty.
Reminder that Lynch’s Dune Messiah script has been rediscovered and its KINO-
>The planet itself is run by the Tleilaxu, sadists whose mere language (“Bino-theethwid, axlotl”) signals their bizarre nature, giving Kenneth McMillan's grotesque Baron from the ‘84 Dune a run for his money. Here's a particularly surreal/Lynchian passage, where Scytale sings a haunting “boogie tune”:
>Scytale's friends are laughing and wildly rolling marbles under their hands as they watch Scytale sing through eighteen mouths in eighteen heads strung together with flesh that is like a flabby hose. The heads are singing all over the pink room. One man opens his mouth and a swarm of tiny people stream out singing accompaniment to Scytale. Another man releases a floating dog which explodes in mid-air causing everyone to get small and lost in the fibers of the beautiful carpet. Though small they all continue to laugh, a laughter which is now extremely high in pitch. Scytale (now with only one head) crawls up a wall laughing hysterically.
https://www.wired.com/story/david-lynch-dune-sequel-script-unearthed/
This is Jodorowsky level garbage
>Jodorowsky level
You do realize that Jodorowsky never actually wrote anything, right? His whole "Dune" is just concept art and questionable casting choices.
How did Charlotte Rampling pass on the role of Jessica then? She said no after reading about the scene where the Algerian army extras were supposed to do a mass shit.
>She said no after reading about the scene where the Algerian army extras were supposed to do a mass shit.
Wut?
>Jodorowsky was going to shoot part of the film in Algeria. They spoke to the Algerian government, and the Algerian army was going to play extras. Jodorowsky was looking for who was going to play Jessica, and he wanted a strong, beautiful woman, not a weak dainty woman. Someone with a real spiritual strength. He saw a movie with Charlotte Rampling, and thought she would be perfect. They sent Charlotte Rampling the script, and she agreed to meet with Jodo before she had read the script, and in the script, there is a scene where a character named Rabban the Beast, part of the Harkonnen army. In order to insult Duke Leto, David Carradine, Rabban the Beast gets his army, the Algerian army, to pull down their pants in front of the palace and shit. So there’s going to be a scene of 2,000 extras defecating at once. So here’s Charlotte Rampling, she agrees to meet with Jodo, she gets the script, she reads the script, and she says, “I can’t be in a movie where there’s 2,000 extras defecating on screen! I need to be in a movie that people are actually going to see! Who the hell is going to see this movie?” Jodo said, “It was a great disappointment for me. A great disappointment.”
>I need to be in a movie that people are actually going to see! Who the hell is going to see this movie?” Jodo said, “It was a great disappointment for me. A great disappointment.”
Neither of those sound believable.
>t. has never seen a Jodorowsky movie
Dude filmed a lady (playing his mom) pissing on the face of his son (playing his dad)
>has never seen a Jodorowsky movie
What do his films have to do with how he and Charlotte Rambling would talk?
itt: definitive proof that LynchDune is hated by simpletons
Funny when that random extra in that scene has more expression in his performance than all of the DUNC cast combined.
Everyone on Cinemaphile is a low-test simpleton
Lynch didn't like Lynch's Dune. Why the frick should I?
Because it's a great film.
Not even close to Lynch's greatest, but better than anything that hack Villanova ever made.
>make Piter a nonentity and gave his psycho knife nut persona to UNCLES GONNA FREAK nu-Feyd
Checked and it's a shame that Denis made all the Harkonnens bald albinos, because Austin Butler is a great choice for Feyd as-is, lookswise.
>Denis made all the Harkonnens bald albinos
Which raises the question as to why Jessica is so different from the rest of them
It's presumably a fashion choice (not much choice to the harkonnens) and a result of living under the black sun. I would have saved the bald and pale look for Scytale and the Tlieaxu, but we'll see what they get. If scytale isn't cut.
Given the give adaption change steps they've taken with stuff like Alia I can imagine he would make the Harkonnens and Tliexau one and the same.
>Oh, Feyd, Rabban, and the Baron aren't it - we're gonna introduce another Harkonnen - the Baron's demi-brother and now the new Baron, Scytale Harkonnen, and he's pissed!
Shit like that - basically he'd want to give Paul a villain faction to fight as a throughline in every film, and so it's now gonna be the Harkonnens with a massive Tliexau flavour
>it's now gonna be the Harkonnens with a massive Tliexau flavour
horrifyingly plausible
>leprosy is better than AIDS
Quite the bold stance there, OP
dunc simps are appallingly ignorant and rude, typical of zoomer trash
There's a new restored scene featuring Alia and Hara
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OP is not a homosexual. Simple truth.
Recommend looking up the Spicediver edit in 4k on YouTube. Very interesting how much better it is than the studio cut.
>Very interesting how much better it is than the studio cut.
Well, arguably it is, but that just shows how terrible the official edits are, because the "Spicediver Edit" isn't really a cut at all. There's barely any decision made about it (other than the ending, which goes against the author's intent for "bookhomosexualry" reasons). It just includes all scenes they could find.