Has anyone read the book? Literally nothing happens in this movie. It's a 2/3 hour introduction. What was the point here?
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Has anyone read the book? Literally nothing happens in this movie. It's a 2/3 hour introduction. What was the point here?
Dune basically introduced the hero's journey in literature... You find it boring because you've already seen it thousands of times..... This movie should have done back in the 70-80's because nowadays the story is obsolete.
>Dune basically introduced the hero's journey in literature...
That might be one of the most moronic things I've ever read.
Ikr? dune introduced loads of things to literature and science fi as a genre but the fricking hero's journey????
I must have specified in modern literature but you get my point. After Dune, many well known archetypes followed in similar books and all other type of media.
Olaf Stapledon
Starmaker
>no Irulan
>no Harah
may thy knife chip and shatter
>This movie should have done back in the 70-80's because nowadays the story is obsolete.
Pretty much this, unfortunately, once Star Wars came out Dune was just relegated to the Star Wars ripoff section, despite it being released far earlier. It's an underwhelming mostly philosophical kind of series when you're expecting Star Wars or something.
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>what is Homer's odyssey
what is the ancient world of literature?
Literary archeology? Sounds very antisemitic.
I kind of get what you're saying, but at the same time I'm not sure how the second half will play out since Dune's ending is anything but happy or optimistic, it's kind of fricked up and just a warning about blind faith
>Dune's ending is anything but happy or optimistic
But anon he MAKES IT RAIN DOWN ON ARRAKIS
Did you ever see tolkiens critcism of dune?
dune is pretty anti religion
>tolkiens critcism of dune
>I didn't like the book
>this means that it's bad
Stop forcing this autism.
I never said dune is bad. I just thought it's an interesting thing to read. I actually like Dune and just finished the 3rd book
No,
Dune was written by a fallaway catholic as a criticism of Catholicism during the Vatican II shit show that basically handed total control of the Catholic church to the israelites.
He later tired to do a Protestant revisionary delusion that the israelites could be redeemed when he literally wrote israelites into the Dune universe in chapterhouse.
Frank Herbert's messianic like figure, the Kwisatz haderach, was inspired by the israeli concept of Kefitzat haDerekh (קפיצת הדרך), "shortening the way," miraculously speedy travel between distant lands
Tl;dr he was a fallaway catholic that embraced israeliness to rebel against his parents.
>This movie should have done back in the 70-80's because nowadays the story is obsolete.
Everyone jumped on the first moronic thing you said, you almost got away with this gem.
3 times the leading man paycheck for TimothEE. Apologize!
>Has anyone read the book?
No but I read every star wars book and ranked them
Who hurt you?
Disney
Why is mog world and jam on this list?
Yahtzee has nothing to do with Star Wars
Is this a genre or do you just rank everything you read?
>Band Books
>S
Jesus Christ.
I just read it. Probably one of my favorite books of all time now.
>What was the point here
brownwashing and gender swapping
Fremen are literally Arabs. Dumbass. Chani's half Fremen so Zendaya was more accurate.
ask me how I know you didn't read the book
Sean Young was hot.
>Literally nothing happens in this movie
I know they exist but I'm always little surprised and disappointed meeting people who need to watch "X EXPLAINED!!" videos on youtube.
>far future, politics are courtier life
>spice is valuable, only found on Dune
>House Atredies given planet to mine spice
>Paul Atredies is subject of secret breeding program of space witches
>this is a ruse because the Emperor and their rival House Harknonen do not like them
>family is killed
>adopted by mujahadeen
That's it.
>>far future, politics are courtier life
is valuable, only found on Dune
Atredies given planet to mine spice
>>Paul Atredies is subject of secret breeding program of space witches
>>this is a ruse because the Emperor and their rival House Harknonen do not like them
is killed
by mujahadeen
all of that could be a 40 minute intro before the 80 minutes of the actual movie
And that was done by David Lynch then further butchered by studio heads... which upset many of the people who are incapable of appreciating Toto. The big problem is that you can't adapt the whole book in one film. SyFy did a miniseries that had good pacing but a low budget (still kino), the spiceDiver edit of Lynch's Dune is a taste of kino-that-could-have-been but the theatrical is still nice.
The pacing challenge is that after he joins the rebels there's enough plot for two movies. Like you could make an entire film that takes him to the Gom Jabbar and then make another movie entirely about the war.
Funny how I love the movie "Legend" with the soundtrack by Tangerine Dreams and despise the classical music version. Ridley has the exact opposite take.
>Has anyone read the book?
I've considered reading it, but I'm not sure if it's worth the bother
I haven't read the books but I watched some of this one super long YouTube synopsis of the universe history and backstory and it was super convoluted and kind of moronic. Are there books or something? Because I've never seen them or even heard of them.
if you werent moronic you could have read the fricking book in the time it took you to watch the youtube synopsis
I'm not talking about Dune
I'm talking about the prequels to Dune. In the hundreds of thousands of years before Dune. That's what the synopsis was about. It was really convoluted and not in a good way. It seemed like Clone Wars and Rebels level writing but worse.
>I'm talking about the prequels to Dune.
Anything Herbert didn't write in those first like 4 books can be ignored tbh
The Dune books by his son are canon. Deal with it. Dune is trash
>The Dune books by his son are canon.
Canon is whatever I consider it to be at any given time. Imagine being any other way with meaningless fiction.
Yeah but has anybody ITT read those prequel books if they exist at all? I want to hear somebodys take on it
Why would anyone read that garbage
Also it’s dumb because a book set 8000 years before Dune would look and feel absolutely nothing like Dune. The Butlerian jihad was supposed to be not too far into our real future and shouldn’t have Atreides and Harkonnans and Bene Gesserit running around.
Dune Encyclopedia wasn't written by Frank but it was still approved by him, and the timeline in that book had the Butlerian Jihad taking place circa 12,000 AD. Humanity already had a full-fledged interstellar society by the time the Jihad happened
>shouldn’t have Atreides and Harkonnans and Bene Gesserit running around.
The Atreides trace their ancestry back to Agamemnon from the Iliad, and it's not bullshit since Alia literally talks to King Agamemnon in her race consciousness.
Logically they should already exist in current year
The book was written before 2001 was even filmed, it's very old. Themes and bits of it have been taken by tons of shit since, including Star Wars. It comes off a bit tropish like most old, classic things a ton of other things have drawn from over multiple decades, and it's a much more philosophical kind of story than any kind of "action" one, though it has that.
You're never going to get an adaptation that's not low ass budget syfy that does what the book is justice, Herbert spent 5 years researching various things for it and plotting it out before he started actually writing it, so it's worth the read.
Lel imagine judging whether to read a book or not from a wikipage synopsis of the plot completely missing the delivery.
At least mommy Jessica is hot. But yeah it's too long and generally "mid"
Timootheyee is way too small and rodentish to be Paul, it's a travesty. His dad is also insufficiently chaddish despite being disturbingly swarthy.
Khal Drogo is too goofy and frankly too ethnic and Duncan
There isn't much of Zendaya but she's kinda bad too
> stuff about Paul and Leto
Yeah, it's a deviation, but I don't really mind it subverting the (now overused) trope wherein the hero is a large and strong and stereotypically attractive man's man. Monarchs throughout history often are not physically intimidating — they're products of good fortune and political savvy. Paul being small and scrawny but very intellectual, observant, and a quick learner is far more interesting to watch than an intellectual, observant, and quick-learning [insert Taylor Lautner-type teenage heartthrob here].
Duncan Idaho is an idiot meathead in the books, canonically. They bring him back as a Mentat Clone and he's still a fricking moron.
I've tried to rewatch Dunc twice after seeing it the theater and I can never get past the final act in the desert. And I've watched Dune 84' dozens of times over the years
I have to agree. The director did a great job with Bladerunner 2049, but this film fails hard compared to the 84 version. I will force myself to watch part 2 like I forced myself to finish part 1, but it will never be more than a meh. Also, the mother in the 84 version is a perfect casting.
Yesterday's thread was more entertaining than this dead ass soulless movie
it's shit
SOUL
This movie is all style little substance. It's a decent movie, not a decent Dune one however.
How moronic is op?
A heroic noble family takes possession of a crucial fief, are betrayed and nearly destroyed by the former fiefholders in a plot hatched with a corrupt emperor--the plan fails eventually as the heir and the lady of the noble family escape, rally the natives and prepare to take back the fief and overthrow the emperor. That doesn't seem like "nothing." And that doesn't include all the cool world-building that is a big part of the story's charm.
u mad?
I dont like Timmy Charmutt or Zendia or however you spell her gay made up name so im sure as shooting not seeing a film with both of them. ill stick to behind the dune for my spice fix.
all names are made up names anon
yeah but not all names are as gay as that one.
What makes a name gay?
The whole special snowflake tryhard thing of making them "unique", most especially when it's just some other word misspelled, or a typical name misspelled in a totally illogical way pronunciation wise but "still pronounced the same"
Shit like "the dash don't be silent" in Le-a
Naming your kid after a popular character in a currently popular show or novel
Lots of different things
What makes Zendaya's name gay?
It's a gay name. If you can't tell you're probably a big gay homosexual and are just used to gay shit.
It seems like you're unable to articulate why you have that opinion. What do you make of that?
That you're gay.Simple as.
I'm not even that guy I just wanted to rant, but
>The whole special snowflake tryhard thing of making them "unique"
especially when you're that type that's so special snowflake you only have one name
What if it was Zenguya and he rode my worm?
If it's YOUR name.
As an adaptation of the first part of Dune it's pretty faithful, actually. It was basically wall to wall exposition until suddenly everybody started dying.
For me it's really hard to read stories in books. I just can't follow the story or remember the characters without seeing their faces. I can read non fiction books and easy essays. I just finished atomic habits
You're supposed to see them in your mind, fren.
looks kinda gay. like what’s the point of a whole bunch of gay people in outer space doing who knows what. i like to see movies about real stuff
>i like to see movies about real stuff
How you liking these historically accurate shows and movies of the past 10 or so years buddy
I've read the first 3 books. About to read the 4th
Those first four books he had plotted out already, they encompassed his original vision for the series. The totality of the arc of Paul's visions. Everything past that was milking it.
The fifth book is definitely a new beginning. Shame that he didn't have the time to finish all that.
>Denis turning the cunning and industrious Harkonnen into fricking cartoon villains
Pretty sure this guy didn't underhand the source material and just wanted to make another Stah Wahs.
Funny because Star Wars by the hack Lucas fricking plagiarized the shit out of the original book by literally taking whole concepts and renaming them.
The Baron's already a cartoon villain
>grotesquely fat pedophile is....LE VERY BAD
Thanks Frank, I had no idea
They're genuinely bigger dumbasses in the book than in the Denis movie
Nah, the Vlad/Shaddam plan was good but couldn't account for a psychic superman
You mean the Shaddam plan. In the scenario where Paul and Jessica die alone in the desert, the Harkonnens were absolutely getting thrown under the bus.
NTA but i thought the plan came from Vlad's mentat and revolved around placating the fremen by sending Feyd in after Raban was an butthole for awhile. Shaddam supported it because it got the landsraadt off his back.
Superman was/is a israeli power fantasy
Frank Herbert was catholic
Paul was more Jebus than supjewman.
>they end up absurd
Yes and no. The notion of the worm union was absurd, which is why Paul turned from it, but he didn't see it the same way Leto did, because Leto had full use of his genetics, essentially.
Ozymandias' arc in Watchmen is kind of along the lines of what Leto intended.
Up to and including Children of Dune would be easily adaptable. After God Emperor shit gets stupid and I doubt the average normie would be an enjoyer of that. Personally I love that ridiculous shit that isn't a bunch of explosions or capeshit. It comes a lot closer to the kind of ridiculous stuff in ancient mythological stories.
Alia will be interesting how it's portrayed. Leto and Ghanima would be even more ridiculous. I want to see it though. I bet we will get it if the movies do well
Honestly don't see any solution but CGI, unless they find some 1 in a billion talented child actor
You can age Alia up a few years and dub her voice like Lynch did. Leto and Ghanima could easily be portrayed by 13-14 year olds, I just don't want them to be fully grown adults like the miniseries
>God Emperor shit gets stupid and I doubt the average normie would be an enjoyer of that.
God Emperor is really more of a political science textbook anyway
Most of Paul's family gets killed and I've only seen the movie.
Most? It's only his dad that gets killed
Lynch tried his best with Alia but even he couldn't pull it off perfectly
Never understoof the popularity of this franchise, all the good stuff in it was done better Lord of the Rings and Stars Wars
LOTR was just hitting popularity around the time,Star Wars came like 13 years later and heavily rips ideas from Dune
Dune is more interesting politically and worldbuilding wise
If you think nothing happens in this part, wait until the 2nd. Milf Mommy and little Timmy do acid trips that give them literal and cultural superpowers and then it's just fight scenes until the end.
God I'm so excited for Jessica's water of life trip, I'm going to do either shrooms or LSD for Part Two and I want that shit to be crazy
I hope they show the orgy
/sffg/ from Cinemaphile reporting in.. yes I've read books 1 through 4. Plenty happens in the first book, and that's the only book I recommend that you read.
>turns out that it's il/lit/erates who shit on books 2-4
>haven't even read 5 to form their own opinion
Sad.
>I ASSURE YOU THAT I AM THE BOOK OF FATE
I read all of the books except the ones his son wrote. Watch the Lynch version on youtube edited by fans.
This is NOT, I repeat, NOT, "full use of your genetics", this is full use of your gullibility by big pharma/big medical to make you a lifetime high dollar customer.
That is a non-sequitur. I'm not sure why you are replying to that troubled creature to begin with.
>book
this is Cinemaphile, you are looking for Cinemaphile which is about 3 doors down.
It's my favorite book. The unfortunate thing about putting this on screen is that it loses a lot of the inner-monologue (a prevalent aspect in the book). It was always gonna be dicey.
The other thing I'm not thrilled about with this is how low some of the people speak. Speak up, damnit. Overall, it's still enjoyable to me, but not as much as I would like.
Lynch's dune had constant inner monologue and it was odd
True, and it was goofy. Plus, damn near everything else about that movie was mediocre to terrible. My favorite thing was actually the Navigator.