Now that the dust has settled, what did Cinemaphile think of this show?
Imho it wast that bad especially compared to other Disney+ MCU shows. Weird that Disney did not market it better to help it succeed more. I mean its not perfect especially at the end when it shit the bed with the deus ex machina magic mental fight at the end. However it wasnt as bad as I expected it to be, like Hawkeye was worse than this.
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Any webm requests?
daredevil and kingpin.
Daredevil sequence is too long, I split the first half of that fight scene into 3 parts. Can continue the same way for the rest of the fight if you still interested. Also specify which part of Kingpin scenes you want as webm
Daredevil 1/3
Daredevil 3/3
Hey, you dropped your mystic bullshit in my grounded crime show.
It's all the more inexcusable when it's all completely made up, none of it derived from the original character at all.
I don't regret watching it for more Kingpin, at least. If they hadn't chopped down the runtime the way they did, I probably would've just skimmed to his scenes plus the Daredevil fight.
I wonder if the What if Kahorri episode was just to ease the audience into native american mysticism whilst having some connection to cosmic artifacts of marvel
I unironically don't get what they were thinking.
At least they kind of knew they fricked up, because they shamefully avoided showing that shit in the trailers and focused on street-level Banshee wannabe shit.
>never heard of echo
>crit drinker does a review
>main character is a gay deaf native american girl with one leg
>>main character is a gay deaf native american girl with one leg
Wait is she gay? I thought she liked her guy friend in Hawkeye show
Also in the comics she is actually native american & deaf. The actress in echo is Native american & deaf irl also, moreover she has a prosthetic leg irl which they seem to have incorporated into the character for the show
can't begin to imagine how much money blackrock paid them for her
>gay
Why do you gays pretend to watch MCU shows if you consider them beneath you?
>>crit drinker does a review
>I need a shitty Mr Plinkett ripoff to let me know my opinion
Hmm, let's see. The new terrible franchise show is out. Do I
A: watch a reviewer give a brief but detailed enough synopsis and get a laugh out of it.
Or
B: waste hours of my own time on something I know I'm going to hate.
Choices, choices
you shouldn't need some rando telling you what media to consume, you humongous homosexual
I wasn't going to watch echo. I want to watch a guy make fun of it and give me a laugh. Also, if it wasn't for some online reviewers, I would have missed out on some great movies I didn't know existed.
And since you're some rando, I'm not gonna let you tell me what I can and can't watch.
i hope critikal drinker reads your post, bro
>watching critikal homosexual
you should kys, my man
>>crit drinker
You mean the cuck porn guy?
Nta but while I've never heard of that and him together, I wouldn't be surprised tbh
All fandom menace people are into cuck porn.
Mind you if you really want to hurt them tell them exorcist Believer made more money the Godzilla minus one.
All I know about him is that someone apparently asked him if ever watched any Japanese films and he unironically cited Parasite and Oldboy as examples
Are you serious?
>Weird that Disney did not market it better to help it succeed more.
Are you kidding me? Unless you are living under a rock, the ads for it were all across the internet and Television.
Because (you) are the target demographic, we don't all see the same ads moron
>don't watch television
>turns on that pesky AdBlock
it's a mystery alright
By market it better I meant not turn it into a spotlight feature and try to get over with it as soon as possible so that they dont have to deal with it later. They didnt promote it much before its release to garner interest and hype. They did bare minimum marketring before its release and just spent the budget all at once around the release.
It showed lack of confidence in the product and it wasnt even as bad as their other shows that they did bette job marketing and packaging it on their platform
Bravo Disney
Complete trash in every single possible way. I felt bad for Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox. I had zero expectations for Born Again, but now I have negative expectations.
It wasnt that bad till the finale imo, much better than she hulk
Pouring boiling water into your eyes is better than MCU She-Hulk.
This was average at best.
Fine if you wanted more Vincent D'Onofrio Kingpin or actually cared about Maya's backstory.
But not something I'd recommend by itself.
My main issue is that the tone is all over the place.
One moment and it's dark and grounded Daredevil-esque crime show, the other it's typical goofy MCU shit with the generic quirky loser cousin or the marginally less goofy (but still very goofy) Welsh gangster, then it's full on MCU Moon Knight with lame magic shit.
>One moment and it's dark and grounded Daredevil-esque crime show, the other it's typical goofy MCU shit with the generic quirky loser cousin or the marginally less goofy (but still very goofy)
Eh, even the cousin sidekick was relatively grounded for a MCU. It wasn't like he was constantly making wisecracking jokes or lampshading Daredevil was similar, it was serious overall but it did have levity and jokes (one of which happens when Matt and Foggy first met a traumatized Karen who had just been assaulted).
Maybe disney only thought it was shit because it had so few quips
What the frick is this copium/shilling for MCU shit here? OF FRICKING COURSE if you compare a bad show to literal garbage, it's going to look better by comparison.
A tumor is better than She-Hulk.
I mean, anything is better than She-Hulk by virtue of having a finale instead of using a meta joke to skip the resolution.
Or having villains who are an actual threat and not a group of woman-hating redditors. (aka terminally online writers who don't care about comics ruining Intelligencia with their seething at people criticizing them)
Or, as bad as they may be, having actual fight scenes.
Or having a semblance of an arc for the main character, going from a ruthless criminal to a more empathetic person (how it's done is another story)
Or when they brought a cool villain from an old MCU property he wasn't used as a hippie joke Yes, I'm asspained about Blonsky. Yes I'm one of the ten and a half people who liked The Incredible Hulk. Bite me.
Lesson to be learned here: don't adapt Bendis' shit.
It literally felt like one of those trashy early streaming shows like Daredevil, what's the issue besides the fact those talented actors haven't been able to move on?
Kingpin went so hard with the YOU'RE LITERALLY ME horseshit with Echo, I was waiting for Vanessa to stab him in the back out of jealousy or some other inane bullshit
Seriously when has a mad scientist simped for his henchwoman so hard since, I don't fricking know, Dr. Drakken and Shego?
>It wasn't THAT bad
Won't watch.
Lmao what
How did an entire MCU series drop and I haven't even heard any word of it
*Rumor* has it Disney itself tried in vain to cancel the show and write it off (like Batgirl) but couldn't for one reason or another. So it was unceremoniously dumped on Disney+ and pretty much only the diehards and the (is there a difference?) youtube critics gang cared.
>*Rumor* has it Disney itself tried in vain to cancel the show and write it off (like Batgirl) but couldn't for one reason or another.
Is that why they released all the episodes in one night, like Netflix does?
... Honestly, WHY did they think this was a desirable product? Even Redditors & SJWs weren't excited for this.
See Kuntleen Kennedy's tentacles at Marvel due to Star Wars, b***h rules even Marvel at this rate.
Very likely. And I don't think they will, since it's a Marvel show, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if it was delisted eventually like Willow was.
it was aggressively advertised on twitch
Does she drink mouthwash & huff glue?
>blind man fights deaf, bisexual, one-legged POC woman
Were they fighting because they couldn't communicate?
>Imho it wast that bad especially compared to other Disney+ MCU shows.
Wow, way to set the bar low.
Loki was great, WandaVision and Moon Knight were decent. The special presentations were solid too and it's a shame they're discontinuing them because they apparently didn't do too well on Disney+.
>Loki was great
I disagree mainly on the grounds that it overwanked Sylvie by a metric frickton, and the TVA made no fricking sense for being simultaneously these reality warpers that can nuke timelines and disarm infinity gauntlets but also get beaten up by a girl
It ended really well, though. And I'm saying that even overlooking my distaste at the fact that Sylvie was allowed to remain on her moral highground to the very end
>WandaVision
I had the exact opposite experience with it. It started really, really well. And then it completely fricked up on multiple levels between IT WAS AGATHA, Wanda being given a pass for everything she did, and NuVision just kind of flying away with no resolution
>Moon Knight
Nah, didn't really get into it.
Agree with all of this, though I've not watched Season 2 of Loki (people say it's good, somehow)
It's kind of crazy that there are currently 10 separate MCU shows and counting on disney+, and not a single one has been fully, undeniably good.
>(people say it's good, somehow)
Bombastic self-sacrifice and taking a third option in a nutshell. And yeah, when people say Loki is good what they are really doing is begging you to stop thinking about why Sylvie is better at literally everything than the Loki who was actually trained at the Asgardian court and was established in the first movie to be as much of a fighter as the Warriors 3 (and Lady Sif) since him going on their adventures is apparently a common thing.
But no, fricking Sylvie the cosmic bum is somehow way better at everything for no good reason, other than the one that exists out of universe in the writers' heads.
>better at literally everything
And
AND, this is important
Is never assigned any personal responsibility by the events of the show for screwing up literally everything for everyone, and somehow remains presented as a moral authority to the end simply because the regular Loki is pathetically in love with her.
>Wanda being given a pass for everything she did
Yet people still complain when she returned in MoM as a villain
That story beat was so awful it managed to piss off both sides.
>MoM finale fans who wanted to see Wanda be a hero again after healing
>Mom Finale haters who had to watch Strange brush off the actual kidnapping/mindrape and instead have the story blame everything on a book she just picked up instead of any character development
It was, without hyperbole, the worst of both worlds.
This really just came and went with no fanfare
That's what Marvel wanted. It was originally supposed to be a weekly release until The Marvels bombed.
That what I dont get, it wasnt even that bad that it had to be buried like that, If they had buried she hulk instead that would have made much more sense
I bet they actually thought She-Hulk was good enough to present to people instead of canning it altogether like an abortion it was.
Another reason why suits are fricking moronic and why Rick and Morty writers are cancer.
Up until very recently, Marvel Studios was operating under the assumption that everything they did was basically good and that the general audience would always watch it and the fans would always love it.
These are the people who thought Quantumania would be a surefire hit.
>These are the people who thought Quantumania would be a surefire hit.
The major studios have been relying om AI to predict how good a movie will do, I saw a news report from either WSJ or NBC do a special on it. I bet that AI software told them Quantumanina was a guaranteed hit
>These are the people who thought Quantumania would be a surefire hit.
I, with shame, have to admit I don't think Quantumania is as bad as people say. I think it's not great, and it's completely reasonable that people didn't like it, but I feel it got a lot of residual flak from the disaster that was Love and Thunder.
Which, in turn, got a lot of shit but in my opinion NOT ENOUGH, because people still had some good will towards Marvel. But L&T depleted that good will, broke that seal, and Quantumania got caught in the whiplash.
Again, not saying it was good, just that it's considered worse than it is because it came out when people were fully fed up with Marvel.
The thing is Marvel had been mediocre at best since Avengers 1. But a comic book live action universe in theatres was a novelty and people ate up whatever shot that was thrown at them. Hype carried them till Endgame after which the hype started to die drastically. As MCU became mainstream the novelty died off and mediocrity no longer became acceptable. So even though the quality did not dip much in comparison to before the tolerance for lower quality was lost by the audience
Kingpin was the highlight of the show, was faithful to how he was portrayed in Netflix Daredevil. He actually brutally killed people in this show, had double agents in other rival criminal groups, got to see him flying into autistic rage, and tied his origin from Daredevil into the main story of the Echo.
But it does kind of make his depiction in Hawkeye incongrous with the rest of the MCU now, in that show he was hiding out in warehouses, could withstand explosions, rip off car doors with his bare hands, and had to run away from the cops.
I really couldn't get behind him being so hung up on a woman not named Vanessa is the main problem.
To be fair, HOW she returned in MoM as a villain is part of the problem. They really dance around her being corrupted by the book by having the focus be on two random boys she saw in a dream rather than, you know, fricking Vision being dead. Just ignore Vision for the sake of these random children.
>I really couldn't get behind him being so hung up on a woman not named Vanessa is the main problem.
In DD, the guy was a recluse whose only personal connections were his assistant, his mom, and then Vanessa. He went to great lengths not to be seen and to not be associated with the criminals under him. He put in the effort to learn Chinese to deal with Gao.
The MCU will tell you that the same guy, at the around same time, had friends, ran a goofy gang of mobsters, hung out in public with the friend's daughter, was a loan shark who met with people in person, beat people up in the street, adopted the friend's daughter as a protégé, "could not remember a time when he did not loved her like a daughter", but also couldn't be bothered to learn ASL.
It's not the same character. Played by the same actor with the same mannerisms and the same gravitas, but any way you slice it, it's just not the same character. He's incompatible with his old characterization and history, whatever bullshit they may pull out to justify it.
Now that they can lean into it I like them showing off Fisk has access to insane technology and stuff from the signing contact lens to the eyepatch. But the best part was in the finale when he fought off her attempts to heal his heart because he wanted his rage. And still realizes she gave him some sense of empathy that gets warped into his idea to "help" the people and run for NYC mayor
MoM is shit
Wandavision is shit
Anything adapted from Bendis is shit by default.
then brian michael bendis the writer killed her.
THANK YOU BENDIS!
I remove what i said about you
Also The Boys and Gen V is Better
>The Boys and Gen V
Different shades of shit are still shit.
Still smells better and tastes better than Marvel and DC shit TV and Cinema capeshit.
Bonus for Preacher because fricking Herr Starr stole the show.
You like eating shit, good. No need to tell everyone.
frankly i share the same opinion of the man in this video
>>Cinemaphile
comicbook echo the original one, was good from the 2000s till 2011
Just out of curiosity I decided to check the full context of the Daredevil fight to see if I missed anything or they touched it up or something, or it ended on a better note.
I expected it to be stupid but even in my expectations I didn't account for "He just up an fricking leaves after he knocks her down for no raisen". He just leaves! They literally just had him there to look awful trying to slow down his fighting just so they could come in and say "Wow, special lady, none of my MEN have ever been able to keep up with him like that!" and then he just leaves her behind, despite what he just watched her do because he'd been "Staking them out".
I gave it a chance and somehow it went dumber than imagined.
Oh and how could I forget.
Maya was actually taking beatings and got hurt during the fight scenes. It's that fricking easy to add the tension in the fight scenes.
She-Hulk
I'll be honest. I kind of gave up on MCU movies after Iron Man 3 and series after Jessica Jones.
There have been some decent things after those shitfires, but I wasn't anywhere near as infatuated with all this capeshit anymore to care as much as I did.