Yep. It was apparently the same for Val Kilmer, which despite being hugely popular, his career kind of died off in the late '90s. Eventually no one cares how big of a draw you are or how talented you are. If you are pain in the ass for months on end during production, people just don't want to work with you anymore and you stop getting offers.
The story I've heard about Norton is the same one I heard about Val Kilmer. They took acting very seriously and were branded "difficult to work with". (I don't know what Christian Bale did differently.)
They're both working though but nowhere near as big as they should be.
I don't see how someone who thinks like this could be easy to work with
sad thing is his memoir isn't just 200 pages of schizo ramblings and he had a ghostwriter/editor fix it up
I think it's because he has been in the dumps already. Drugged-out, sentenced to prison, blacklisted by Hollywood. So he might be a massive c**t like most people there, but he's learned that he can't get away with everything so he keeps his opinions and shit to himself.
Surface level? Nepotism. Also plebs love a comeback story. "Give them bread and circuses".
Conspiracy theory? He's done so much drugs with the upper echelons of Hollywood that the sheer amount of dirt he's got on so many people is beyond control. He hints to it constantly in the late 90s and early 00. It's the same situation with Jim Carrey, except the latter genuinely doesn't give a shit.
He probably has standards. Most "difficult" people get that reputation when they care more about the quality of their work than their colleagues, and then get upset at them for not caring as much.
No. He's a classic narcissist. Not only does he think he's smarter and more talented than he is but he doesn't even know how far back his genetics hold him back from the status he's faking. He's intelligent enough to be self-aware but too cowardly and angry to push himself beyond his comfort zone. That's why he became an actor and that's why most of his characters are basically more or less the same. It's cathartic. That's also why he's involved in activities like environmentalism and political activism. They got to him so I'd be wary to take anything he has said for the past 30 years seriously. My favorite part is how he got memed into white slavery guilt because his ancestors were colonists. This guy's life is genuinely one big neverending rollercoaster of fear and overthinking syndrome, personal prison of the mind type of torture.
Alright, let me rephrase. He's an incredibly smart and talented actor, compared to most actors. However, there's tons of things holding him back within his control that he's ignored and outside influences beyond his control that are too powerful for him to fight. Everyone in Hollywood pays a price.
>self-aware but too cowardly and angry to push himself beyond his comfort zone
>This guy's life is genuinely one big neverending rollercoaster of fear and overthinking syndrome, personal prison of the mind type of torture.
this sounds like literally me but from where are you actually getting all this insight into his personality? kinda sounds like projecting
All of this public information, based on his interviews, his mo as an actor and his activity outside if Hollywood. I work in criminal forensics and psychology. This is basically most narcissists, at this point in our country it's expected behavior from most neurotic men in general.
You don't know what this word means nor do most posters here have the minimum amount of gray matter required to assess another individual. Everything I've said is pinpoint character review of a very well known public figure, if I'd say these things about you, then you could use projection as an argument.
He is not an A lister. He knows it. His agent knows it. The directors hiring him know it. This is a tale of a man that desperately tried to push himself beyond his station only to be reminded who the real masters of Hollywood are. Theres a conspiracy theory on old 2.0 forums that he was about to expose the elite cabal behind pedowood but they got to him first with the white colonialism guilt and other public affairs he got entangled with. Do you really think he became an environmentalist or a mouthpiece for political agendas out of the kindness if his heart? This is what most narcissists realize too late, there's always a bigger psychopath in the hierarchy and you don't want to piss him off.
He has standards for sure, but he's most notorious for being an actor who starts challenging the director's vision and even rewriting the script on his own. Most directors can't stand that shit, the actor is effectively trying to direct their movie at that point.
I developed a reputation for being difficult to work with in my college film department, and it was literally just because I wanted to stick to the preproduction treatment my partners and I had agreed on beforehand rather than take shortcuts, I wanted to actually do pickups, and I wanted to actually do shit on set, personally, and not just stand around while everyone else did work. I worked with a lazy but well-liked guy in the department, and he spread the "difficult to work with" shit and it completely stuck to me, and I never got a chance to prove it wasn't true because everyone avoided working with me from then on. Point being, I think you're very likely correct about this.
Hate shit like that. People love drama, gossip and the by-ways. All it takes is one lazy, insecure person to start a rumor or spread gossip and even if it's the dumbest shit you've ever heard and couldn't be less true, it can stick.
The irony in your situation is it sounds like everyone else was difficult to work with, but you, yet somehow you get that label.
Hate shit like that. People love drama, gossip and the by-ways. All it takes is one lazy, insecure person to start a rumor or spread gossip and even if it's the dumbest shit you've ever heard and couldn't be less true, it can stick.
The irony in your situation is it sounds like everyone else was difficult to work with, but you, yet somehow you get that label.
If any of you were genuinely intelligent and high quality men, you wouldn't waste away trying to shine in a shitty company that doesn't value you or your effort. At best, people like you get ridiculed, at worst you end up doing the work for multiple people with the same amount of pay. Corporations do not care about you or your passion, dedication or effort. Leave, start your own business or learn to become financially literate enough to focus your energy into a place where you will be valued instead,
He made the studio re-cut American History X to feature him more behind the back of director Tony Kaye. He later blocked any attempts Kaye made to get a director's cut published because it would cut Norton's screen time. He's just a narcissist.
The story I've heard about Norton is the same one I heard about Val Kilmer. They took acting very seriously and were branded "difficult to work with". (I don't know what Christian Bale did differently.)
They're both working though but nowhere near as big as they should be.
Norton didnt stop getting roles simply because he was an butthole, its because he consistently tried to ghost direct the films he worked on and wanted to do other people's jobs. He was considered a liability.
Yeah, Hollywood generally dont care If youre an butthole as long as youre on time and say your lines. Norton was fricking with the movies which was casting the studios money
He's been working consistently on high profile movies but as supporting cast. His star fell because of having had creative fights with more than one director and his passion project Motherless Brooklin flopped. He is nevertheless a superb actor, the best of his generation along w Joaquin Phoenix
He kinda phoned it in but everyone else (except ironically for relatively newcomer Madelyn Cline) FRICKING SUCKED in that pos movie. One of the worst ensemble casts in recent memory
ryan johnson can't direct actors for shit
not to mention all the characters were garbage
imagine casting all those good actors in knives out and doing frick all with any of them
The story I've heard about Norton is the same one I heard about Val Kilmer. They took acting very seriously and were branded "difficult to work with". (I don't know what Christian Bale did differently.)
They're both working though but nowhere near as big as they should be.
So was Birdman right about Norton? It would just make Birdman even more kino when it is already kino. Norton can't have been that difficult if he managed to have an important role in Birdman, they had VERY few takes with LONG scenes to get the single shot illusion. They did intense rehearsing of a scene and then there could be no mistakes in the real take or everyone would have to film a super long scene again
No, they were on strike because their old collective contract expired and they had an opportunity to get more money and resources through contractual obligation.
He tried to steamroll all the other creatives during The Incredible Hulk filming and got a bad reputation so none of the big studios want to work with him anymore.
The director for American History X denounced his own film because Norton weaseled his way into getting the final cut to remove the ending of the film.
He fought a lot with directors earlier in his career up through the Hulk movie. American History X director he had a falling out with over the cut of the movie, he rewrote the Frida movie his then girlfriend Salma Hayek was in and that caused friction, he was contractually obligated to to the Italian Job movie from some 3 movie deal he signed and he openly hated the movie and working on it, and then Hulk he again fought with the director and studio over the movie's direction. That was kind of it for him as a leading actor in movies and settled into supporting roles after that.
I feel like I see him all the time in films? He's in Wes Anderson joints, he was in Glass Onion 2, etc. I don't really care for him but he'll always have a place in my heart as Mister Fight Club
he's apparently an butthole to work with.
Yep. It was apparently the same for Val Kilmer, which despite being hugely popular, his career kind of died off in the late '90s. Eventually no one cares how big of a draw you are or how talented you are. If you are pain in the ass for months on end during production, people just don't want to work with you anymore and you stop getting offers.
I thought it was because of the cancer.
I don't see how someone who thinks like this could be easy to work with
sad thing is his memoir isn't just 200 pages of schizo ramblings and he had a ghostwriter/editor fix it up
Why do people like RDJ so much? He plays only one character and he was boring after the first film playing it.
I think it's because he has been in the dumps already. Drugged-out, sentenced to prison, blacklisted by Hollywood. So he might be a massive c**t like most people there, but he's learned that he can't get away with everything so he keeps his opinions and shit to himself.
Surface level? Nepotism. Also plebs love a comeback story. "Give them bread and circuses".
Conspiracy theory? He's done so much drugs with the upper echelons of Hollywood that the sheer amount of dirt he's got on so many people is beyond control. He hints to it constantly in the late 90s and early 00. It's the same situation with Jim Carrey, except the latter genuinely doesn't give a shit.
he's israeli and friends with mel
He probably has standards. Most "difficult" people get that reputation when they care more about the quality of their work than their colleagues, and then get upset at them for not caring as much.
No. He's a classic narcissist. Not only does he think he's smarter and more talented than he is but he doesn't even know how far back his genetics hold him back from the status he's faking. He's intelligent enough to be self-aware but too cowardly and angry to push himself beyond his comfort zone. That's why he became an actor and that's why most of his characters are basically more or less the same. It's cathartic. That's also why he's involved in activities like environmentalism and political activism. They got to him so I'd be wary to take anything he has said for the past 30 years seriously. My favorite part is how he got memed into white slavery guilt because his ancestors were colonists. This guy's life is genuinely one big neverending rollercoaster of fear and overthinking syndrome, personal prison of the mind type of torture.
Idk that's not what I've heard from people who have worked with him. Agree to disagree.
Alright, let me rephrase. He's an incredibly smart and talented actor, compared to most actors. However, there's tons of things holding him back within his control that he's ignored and outside influences beyond his control that are too powerful for him to fight. Everyone in Hollywood pays a price.
>self-aware but too cowardly and angry to push himself beyond his comfort zone
>This guy's life is genuinely one big neverending rollercoaster of fear and overthinking syndrome, personal prison of the mind type of torture.
this sounds like literally me but from where are you actually getting all this insight into his personality? kinda sounds like projecting
t. ed norton furiously tapping on his laptop on a thursday morning
Jesus. Talk about projection.
All of this public information, based on his interviews, his mo as an actor and his activity outside if Hollywood. I work in criminal forensics and psychology. This is basically most narcissists, at this point in our country it's expected behavior from most neurotic men in general.
holy projection
You don't know what this word means nor do most posters here have the minimum amount of gray matter required to assess another individual. Everything I've said is pinpoint character review of a very well known public figure, if I'd say these things about you, then you could use projection as an argument.
>doesn't even know how far back his genetics hold him back from the status he's faking.
?
He is not an A lister. He knows it. His agent knows it. The directors hiring him know it. This is a tale of a man that desperately tried to push himself beyond his station only to be reminded who the real masters of Hollywood are. Theres a conspiracy theory on old 2.0 forums that he was about to expose the elite cabal behind pedowood but they got to him first with the white colonialism guilt and other public affairs he got entangled with. Do you really think he became an environmentalist or a mouthpiece for political agendas out of the kindness if his heart? This is what most narcissists realize too late, there's always a bigger psychopath in the hierarchy and you don't want to piss him off.
holy projecting batman
Go to bed, Ed.
He has standards for sure, but he's most notorious for being an actor who starts challenging the director's vision and even rewriting the script on his own. Most directors can't stand that shit, the actor is effectively trying to direct their movie at that point.
I developed a reputation for being difficult to work with in my college film department, and it was literally just because I wanted to stick to the preproduction treatment my partners and I had agreed on beforehand rather than take shortcuts, I wanted to actually do pickups, and I wanted to actually do shit on set, personally, and not just stand around while everyone else did work. I worked with a lazy but well-liked guy in the department, and he spread the "difficult to work with" shit and it completely stuck to me, and I never got a chance to prove it wasn't true because everyone avoided working with me from then on. Point being, I think you're very likely correct about this.
Hate shit like that. People love drama, gossip and the by-ways. All it takes is one lazy, insecure person to start a rumor or spread gossip and even if it's the dumbest shit you've ever heard and couldn't be less true, it can stick.
The irony in your situation is it sounds like everyone else was difficult to work with, but you, yet somehow you get that label.
You are clearly just mad because everyone found out you like to shove grass clippings up your ass.
If any of you were genuinely intelligent and high quality men, you wouldn't waste away trying to shine in a shitty company that doesn't value you or your effort. At best, people like you get ridiculed, at worst you end up doing the work for multiple people with the same amount of pay. Corporations do not care about you or your passion, dedication or effort. Leave, start your own business or learn to become financially literate enough to focus your energy into a place where you will be valued instead,
He made the studio re-cut American History X to feature him more behind the back of director Tony Kaye. He later blocked any attempts Kaye made to get a director's cut published because it would cut Norton's screen time. He's just a narcissist.
Why would you cut his screentime? He's the star of the film. Good move on Norton. Kaye would've literally robbed the audience with this dick move.
Because he wasn't supposed to be the focus of the film, Furlong's character was.
Nobody cares about Furlong. Are you kidding me.
Norton is the star and should be treated as such.
I remember Brian Cox saying he was a pain in the ass to work with and that he was just trying to be a director all the time
You can be good at your job and still be an insufferable c**t to be around that drags himself down.
Norton didnt stop getting roles simply because he was an butthole, its because he consistently tried to ghost direct the films he worked on and wanted to do other people's jobs. He was considered a liability.
And that's different?
Yeah, Hollywood generally dont care If youre an butthole as long as youre on time and say your lines. Norton was fricking with the movies which was casting the studios money
Okay Ranjeet.
Pride and Glory is seriously one of the worst movies i've ever seen.
I don't buy any physical media but I have this on DVD for some reason and have never watched it
Death to Smoochie is kino, still amazed it tanked
He’s has a good career though
He was great in Birdmam
He tries to finance his own shit now but nobody watches it, like motherless brooklyn
I watched it in theaters. It was fine but it’s not like it was trying to be a huge hit, it was pretty niche especially for today
He's been working consistently on high profile movies but as supporting cast. His star fell because of having had creative fights with more than one director and his passion project Motherless Brooklin flopped. He is nevertheless a superb actor, the best of his generation along w Joaquin Phoenix
He was in Glass Onion, he looks like shit there.
He kinda phoned it in but everyone else (except ironically for relatively newcomer Madelyn Cline) FRICKING SUCKED in that pos movie. One of the worst ensemble casts in recent memory
ryan johnson can't direct actors for shit
not to mention all the characters were garbage
imagine casting all those good actors in knives out and doing frick all with any of them
Exactly. Knives Out had (except for the Ana-Plummer scene and her other scenes in general) atrocious, lazy overacting from the rest of the cast
jaeden martell was icsh in knives out
Masked Norton is kino. Kingdom of Heaven was his best acting and I hope to see more of him in Alita 2.
The story I've heard about Norton is the same one I heard about Val Kilmer. They took acting very seriously and were branded "difficult to work with". (I don't know what Christian Bale did differently.)
They're both working though but nowhere near as big as they should be.
So was Birdman right about Norton? It would just make Birdman even more kino when it is already kino. Norton can't have been that difficult if he managed to have an important role in Birdman, they had VERY few takes with LONG scenes to get the single shot illusion. They did intense rehearsing of a scene and then there could be no mistakes in the real take or everyone would have to film a super long scene again
>gets sent script for a movie
>agrees to act in it
>starts rewriting entire scenes
>threatens to leave the production is his rewrites aren't accepted
Isn’t this the reason writers on strike cause they were butthurt actors and directors were doing this to their scripts?
No, they were on strike because their old collective contract expired and they had an opportunity to get more money and resources through contractual obligation.
He was just in that really awful movie that director made about himself casting couching homosexuals.
He tried to steamroll all the other creatives during The Incredible Hulk filming and got a bad reputation so none of the big studios want to work with him anymore.
The director for American History X denounced his own film because Norton weaseled his way into getting the final cut to remove the ending of the film.
i'm not gay or anything but he looked so cute in Primal Fear
That stammer really brings it home.
>Uh Muh-mu-mister Va-vale?
he was handsome sexy hot.
i'm fairly sure he was an icsh boy
Gone, reduced to atoms
He fought a lot with directors earlier in his career up through the Hulk movie. American History X director he had a falling out with over the cut of the movie, he rewrote the Frida movie his then girlfriend Salma Hayek was in and that caused friction, he was contractually obligated to to the Italian Job movie from some 3 movie deal he signed and he openly hated the movie and working on it, and then Hulk he again fought with the director and studio over the movie's direction. That was kind of it for him as a leading actor in movies and settled into supporting roles after that.
I feel like I see him all the time in films? He's in Wes Anderson joints, he was in Glass Onion 2, etc. I don't really care for him but he'll always have a place in my heart as Mister Fight Club