Well, we all feel mighty stupid for mocking it being a "bomb" and how "Disney is collapsing" for the past 2 months huh? Same with Little Mermaid which every shut up about after 6 months of spamming when the realized it made a profit.
Elemental about to break even at the box office
That's great, it wasn't even a bad movie.
Elemental is Pixar’s worst movie in recent memory, but it’s still only a 5-6/10, which compared to some of the worst films of other animation studios, isn’t too bad all things considered
and this is what people keep forgetting about pixar quality
Soul was a million times worse.
I liked Soul, I do think I like Elemental slightly more. Its a weird feeling to like the films that most people seem to hate.
You’re forgetting that marketing isn’t accounted for some reason, despite it easily doubling the cost of modern movies.
>You’re forgetting that marketing isn’t accounted for some reason.
I always assumed it is cause saying your movie cause twice as much as listed would scare away investors. That or to hide how much you actually spent marketing.
He also forgot one thing about the box office money? Disney does not get all of it. Disney is sharing that with theaters.
Nothing I've seen suggests the marketing budget for this is particularly high, but the theater take is a killer
I got like 10 video ads on YouTube
With how god awful the marketing for this was the marketing budget may just have been 5 dollars and a piece of gum
Also theaters take half the box office.
More overseas
With these stupidity expensive, terrible movies, making twice the budget at the box office just means it's a disappointment rather than an embarrassment.
The worse news is that the longer a movie is in theatres, the less money the distributor makes. Like, first weekend might go 70% to the studio, but by week 3 that shit's flipped so the majority is going to the theatre chains. An initial flop that just covers its budget through decent legs isn't really a good thing unless you plan on making sequels. No way this gets one.
>despite it easily doubling the cost of modern movies.
Yeah, it often doubles the cost of modern movies but there's a cap of $100M to marketing budgets.
So if a movie costs $100M like Mario, the budget varies between $80M~$100M.
2.5x rule man, come on.
>there's a cap of $100M to marketing budgets.
Not necessarily. Discounting the Snyder Cut, JL had a production budget of 300mil and needed 750mil to break even, so it making just under 700 was enough to consider it a bomb. Of course it's gonna vary per movie, but sometimes, marketing+distribution can balloon to stupid numbers, especially for big tentpole blockbusters.
Yeah, Indy's cooked.
>they're not getting force awakens results
Why the frick would they? They have nearly obliterated Star Wars as a franchise. And Indy was in the same position as Star Wars, recovering from Lucas. You can't shit on a series that was already shat on and expect it to harden into gold.
>Paying hefty fees for Spielberg to do nothing and some other fricks to write a boring ass feminist piece after destroying your marquee franchise
>Destroy any potential market in seconds by making anti-capitalist and "wacism" jokes in your initial trailer
Sometimes Hollywood's biggest failures is they won't step outside their little California bubble and have the real world tell them what works and what doesn't
Why do marketing could ballooning to become twice the budget? Can't they just promote it on their social media?
>Can't they just promote it on their social media?
Because you need marketers to sit there and blab about the movie. They're not going to do that unless they're being cut checks. And who knows how effective that is compared to youtube and streaming ads. Social media marketing can also backfire if it's not handled well. That's why Clod is such a meme.
points for attempting the triple reverse shitpost, but too bad you failed to make it entertaining
Anon, it needs to get 500 millions to not be a flop. I'm sorry.
At least its getting the raw budget back. Which is a harder feat that you would think.
Cool
Little Mermaid made it to over 525 million and is still going, so you have to objectively claim that was a financially successful film under your very autistic standards of 500 million being a breakeven
>Little Mermaid
Little Mermaid's budget is 250 Millions, it needs 650 millions to break even.
It definitely sold more tickets than Elemental tho.
The issue with the current films isn't that they're NOT earning money, its that the budgets are so massive
>it needs 650 millions to break even.
Funny how one month ago you all told me it was 500-525 now "muh expert calculations" say it's 650.
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No, Elementals need 500 millions. TLM needs 650 millions.
Learn how to do math yourself instead of relying on anons for info.
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>At that level, per finance sources, off a reported $250M production cost and $140M global marketing spend, The Little Mermaid could very well break-even. However, anything in the low $400M global threshold and this fish is apt to be sinking to a loss of around $20M.
Low threshold would mean that the film would, if I gave you leeway, would need 450 million global box office absolute max to break even. It has made over 525 million dollars.
https://deadline.com/2023/05/little-mermaid-box-office-profit-loss-halle-bailey-1235383099/
So that's 75 million more than it needed, minus 50% of the movie theatre cut...
TLM has earned Disney about 37 million dollars. Not a bomb, but a huge disappointment to say the least. Especially when compared to their other live action adaptations.
The budget is estimated to be roughly around $200 million by Variety; $250 million comes from people rounding up to make it roughly match estimates for The Lion King. It could just as easily be in the $160-$180 million range as it is in the $225-$250 million range.
If anything, there's more to suggest the former than the latter since Aladdin and the Maleficient sequel both fell into that range.
Nice try. But Black Little Mermaid has two unique obstacles that none of you mention. Someone already mentioned Disney does not get all of the box office cash. That aside the two unique obstacles Black Little Mermaid has are....
The Black Little Mermaid merchandise that we all know is not going to sell.
The Black Little Mermaid animated cartoon series on Disney's streaming service which has been a pit where money is lost for years. And I doubt people want to even give Black Little Mermaid's cartoon series a watch.
So no Disney is not looking good here. Black Little Mermaid is a failure. And when the time comes Wish will be another failure. And next year's Elio is looking like trash.
>The Black Little Mermaid merchandise that we all know is not going to sell.
Do American Black folks not buy things? This is for them.
Even if they did, they're 13% of the population. They're not gonna buy multiple dolls.
These movies would be considered doing fine if they didn't cost so much to make
>He think making it's budget back is "breaking even"
Lol
Little Mermaid's problem is they hyped it up as the next big thing and completely lost against Spiderverse. It did solid domestically, but it wasn't a big hit like Guardians 3 or the lion king remake. It was also a flop worldwide.
I'm beginning to feel like a CLOD God, CLOD God
Holy frick, you're stupid and don't understand basic math and finance.
This is why Pixar/Disney is flopping now. Cultural shift, accelerated by the lockdowns. Meanwhile, video games have overtaken even film itself as the largest form of entertainment. In order for these studios to profit going forward, they have to shift towards video games.
But the same sort of people who are ruining animation are also ruining vidya
You again?
You have to understand that movies tend to spend millions of dollars on advertising too, and investors expect something that costs several hundred million dollars to make to have a sizeable return of profits. From what I've heard, for a big budget movie put out by a major studio, if it doesn't make like three times its original cost in profits, it's generally considered a flop by the business and investors.
Ticket sales have to be double the production and marketing budget since the revenue gets split with the theaters.
Sorry OP, the movie is still a bomb for theaters. Maybe it will do well on streaming platforms. As others have said a movie should make double it's budget to maybe be a success. At least Embers a cute.
I cannot get turned on by a literal flame. No breasts or ass
>embers a cute
Not really. She looks like the last bit of campfire I pissed on last night to put it out. Go talk to real women, you might learn something new
Pixar movies aren't made so they can break even almost a month after release lol. They're made so Disney can make a large amount of profit off of the hundred of millions of dollars and hundred of hours of time and manpower put into films.
I don't know what dumbass spread the idea that a movie can only flop if it's not profitable. By all Pixar standards this movie flopped, and they'll axe people who worked on it (as always) and rush out another half-baked idea and try again (as always).
Such lazy bait
How do people still not account for the percentage that a theater takes when claiming breakeven? Do these morons just think theaters will show your movie for free? Don't even get me started on marketing.
Break even point is x2.5 the production budget.
Proof: WB said they lost about 100 million dollars on Justice League (2017). The budget was $300m, multiplied by 2.5 is a $750m breakeven point, and it's final gross was $658m.
Jesus, I remember when everyone was laughing about how big of a bomb Justice League was but now Indy has an even bigger budget and will be lucky to make half as much
oh cool; a Laugh at the moron thread
It's a pretty good movie despite the god-awful marketing and fricking Clod. The racism metaphor was weird though since it doesn't play a lot of part in the movie and is dropped by the end.
They should have dropped the racism allegory. I know the film is about Elements but the analogy would have worked better just being about personality types. They're doing that anyway with Ember being a literal hothead and Wade being made of tears.
It's funny that they set that up in the trailer, and then for air and earth didn't even follow through with it. They describe Earth is being seedy, but the two earth elements with any personality weren't that. Air was described as having their heads in the clouds, but the one major air character we have just had the same fiery personality like Ember.
It needs 500 because movies in general need 2.5x the budget to break even.
Wade’s VA said they’re keeping it in theaters until August. Doubt it will do much help but at least it’ll move it from the biggest flop to their third-fourth worst performing movie.
At least it won't be a box office bomb for Disney and Pixar. It will merely be a box office flop.
Did you take your math lessons from twitter because you do know that theaters don't show movies for free. They have to get their cut out of it. 40% from international, 20~25% from China. domestic offers better with 60% first week, 55% 2nd week and 50% 3rd week and beyond though there are deals that are better than that but this is generally the breakdown for average take. Then you've got marketing is either half the movie budget or general $100m to add on top of the budget. Using 2 different formula's, it'd generally thought that a 2.5x to 3x budget is your break even point but that's a general guess since if the higher international comes from china, you would need significantly more since china has the lowest returns so you still would need to break down each general percentage take from the 3 groups to truly definitively say that a movie has broken even or made a profit yet.
It have yet to release in UK. Honestly wtf.
Good thing studios don't pay anything to theaters and that advertising is free, then they can break even by investing 200 million dollars for years!
its still losing money if it doesnt reach 500m minimum
So you think theatres just open their wallets and say: please daddy Disney take all my money. You fricking moron, and you also think that the plublicity to promote the movie doesn't cost anything.
Studios don't make movies to break even, what kind of moronic logic is that, please educate yourself on how the industry works before posting, morono.