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Didn't they project 8-10 million, so it did better than their shittiest predictions at least.
The fact they predicted that low to begin with is a bad sign itself.
people like munda settings telling fantastic stories, not fantastic settings telling mundane stories.
Monsters Inc?
Monsters Inc. story only could work on this monster universe.
How is the world of Monsters INC mundane?
He was referring to the story moron
This. From what I heard it has a generic romcom plot with really clumsy racial metaphors.
Yeah, elements are already so basic and derivative, nothing to hold it up. It's just a shitty romcom otherwise and people can sense that from jump.
This story would have worked better with a fire girl and air dude. At least then the climax could be they find the "right" mixture of air and fire to cause a synergetic increase in her flame and brightness rather than risk putting her out entirely.
Air people are "white". That wouldn't happen.
>air = white
>water = black
>fire = asian (mostly SEA)
>earth = indigenous/native
I guess they could flop the "races" around?
Anyway, fuel-air mixtures are too complex of a topic for a silly movie written and directed by people with a room-temp IQ.
>fire = asian (mostly SEA)
Missed a chance for them to be waters.
Go woke
Go Broke, Get Woke, Ultimately CROAK
love ya razor
Spider-Verse isn't woke!?
Spider-verse is anti-woke, did you miss the memo?
But I thought everyone was saying Gwen is trans and every Peter is part of some death-cult used to prop up Miles as the only "true" Spider-Man because he's Black and Hispanic.
didn't Mario teach you anything? the moment a "woke" movie is successful you gotta pretend it was secretly owning the sjws
Used to be true. Now they're just admitting they lost
>Mario
>Woke
hell.
mao even.
The trailers for some reason focused on Peach and her girlboss moments, so everyone thought it was gonna be a Peach movie.
"Girlboss"
Dude you realize Peach has been a playable character since SUPER MARIO BROS 2 (Western version)?
Fricking stupid complaining for ""girlbossness"".
Nintendo always had strong female characters, not being part of the STRUNG WUMON of the murrican productions.
The trailers basically made it look like Peach was the best at everything whilst Mario was a bumbling screw-up.
Luigi and Toad have also been playable and saved the day in their own games but they didn't get portrayed as hyper capable like peach did.
luigi was a combat god at the end for some reason
Luigi is canonically a chaos god.
Peach being playable in some games is different then Peach's entire personality, demeanor and body language being uprooted because westerners hate Peach and have b***hed about her for decades. Peach in the Movie is completely divorced from how Peach is in the games and this was by design if you read interviews from the director and the voice actress
but this is off topic
You can tell that she was supposed to be more boss b***h annoying if Hollywood had their way. You can really feel Nintendo breathing down their necks and reminding them that Mario is the hero.
Peach is a likeable character because of it. Not as likeable as videogame Peach, but not as leagues away from typical Hollywood female character.
Yes. Peach could have been way worse. How she was handled is typical Feminism 101
>everyone thought
You fricking schizo just deserve to be killed and fed to the pigs holy shit
You listen to too much clickbait and too many shitty movie threads. Do you actually believe the people making the APOLOGIZE threads and the NO NO NO, threads really believe what they're saying too?
Fricking /misc/tards. The movie isn't anything like that, it's just unoriginal.
The clip Pixar is using to advertise on Twitter is the fire girl saying "elements don't mix", and Twitter is complaining because the allegory proves racists right
you forgot clips like a bunch of fire people trying to rent a wood house and getting rejected, or that clip where the fire chick gets upset cause she really wanted to see a flower at a museum and she wasn't allowed it because she'd torch it
it's a metaphor that's both way too on the nose yet so divorced from real life that it almost seems like it's justifying racism. "oh don't let those dirty chinks into your house, they might set the whole place on fire!"
>heterosexual relationships is woke now
>No woke because it has straight stuff.
It's a fricking blatant racism allegory.
Haven't you seen the "No fire allowed" and more bs scenes?
It's just Zootopia but worse, lacks the charm and interesting worldbuilding.
The main duo is boring and stupid.
And the racial analogy is even more stupid than in Zootopia because, yeah herbivores would be afraid of carnivores for their past... But they evolved to not be a threat. But in elemental, they ARE a threat all the time to each other.
Specially fire people. Fire is basically destruction incarnated.
So it's ridiculous. You could give a pass in Zootopia. But here where the very EXISTENCE of countering elements translates into mutual destruction, the segregation is even more useful.
In Zootopia, nobody should be afraid because predators eating prey last happened thousands of years ago. It's like being afraid of Latin Americans because they used to sacrifice people and eat their hearts.
Personally I don't see Zootopia as a racial allegory.
I'd explain it more in another post...
Yeah but, if you think about it not in a race based allegory but gender based, the movie actually makes more sense.
Judy is the young and impressionable girl, who heard a lot of times how she should keep herself safe of man. Because they could rape her or kill her, because man hate woman.
The main antagonist is a woman who tries to keep the division between males and females, to keep power. Like left-leaning politicians who like to talk about how all men are trash and should die.
He'll. Most of predators shown are male.
Judy not liking to be called "cute" it's not a "cracker" reference. It's more like when people say "girls just should be cute" and because she learned of feminist ideology she thinks being called cute is a way to be called nothing more than a pretty face.
Frick even she has panic attacks and her first reaction is to use Self-Defense weapons against the first male she sees. Because "she doesn't want to become another femicide statistic."
To defend my thesis:
>The race allegory doesn't make fricking sense.
Nobody is telling white people to be afraid of black people. There's no anti-black government. But surely there is more anti-male legislations in more "feminist" countries.
There are actual woman who fear or feel the need to be in "safe spaces" with no males because of all the propaganda and the usage of fear factor to divide people. Just like in the movie.
Meanwhile in the race allegory, the people who wants the safe spaces is not the white but the "others" groups of people. They want to be separated of the white. So again it makes no sense the racial allegory.
I could go on and on. But you get my point.
One of the high points of the movie is Judy meeting the wife of the missing otter guy. She's a predator species but is even smaller than Judy herself.
Yeah, and the mafia boss is a shrew, which is also a predator, and is like the smallest predator there is.
Shrews are also preys to bigger preds.
It's what a TROPHIC CHAIN is called.
Just tagging characters as "prey" or "pred is stupid specially with small mammals.
Stoats are savage killers, but then you have eagles eating them.
>Just tagging characters as "prey" or "pred is stupid specially with small mammals.
But this is done in the movie. The form Nick fills out at the police station has two check boxes.
The sloppiness of the predator/prey dichotomy serves the film's themes.
Yeah but, sorry but most of the smaller species can be both a predator and a prey at the same time.
And why do they even make the distinction? Again if this is "racial" allegory, why the binarism? There are not just 2 races we all agree. But, what else had only 2 GROUPS until the woke appeared? HUH? TELL ME.
>most of the smaller species can be both a predator and a prey at the same time
Yet it's directly demonstrated in the film that the animal people apparently consider it a simple binary. I'm saying that this is sloppy and inaccurate does not contradict the themes of the film but strengthens them.
It's not a 1:1 allegory which is something that makes it more interesting.
it's not a 1:1 allegory and the racism is entirely in-universe style. I can believe they could've had the same plot without intentionally trying to make a race allegory because it feels they actually put some thought in it beastars did it better
zootopia also works as just about any other "prejudice" dychotomy, like males and females
>Beastars did it better.
Personally I despite Beastars. That rabbit is annoying.
Even though. In Beastars the allegory isn't race-based either.
It's actually a reference to JAPANESE SLANG.
Carnivorous man are those who have 20 hook-up and sleep with a different girl every night.
Herbivorous man are those hyper-focused studying or working to see their classmate stripping just for them.
They're "too respectful". Or just oblivious to recognise them.
That's the allegory of Beastars for you M8.
Yeah.
Because I mean it's a problem of two groups only.
Doesn't consider the hundreds of ethnical variations or mutations.
It works better refering to sex-based prejudice.
Because I never saw white people scared to death of minorities. But I've seen women thinking they could be killed by walking alone at night.
You realize otters are also prey to other animals?
Also I'm talking about in general.
Not in every goddamn character.
Bro if you're so ass backwards you think miscegenation is 'woke' you're the one with the problem.
Woke is an overused term but you are being disengenuous:
>unsubtle racial allegory
>non-binary kid
>wade's sister has a girlfriend
GO B-B-B-ROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Broke, Get Woke, Ultimately CROAK.
What the frick is woke about this movie
Dude they're even promoting the FIRST NON BINARY PIXAR CHARACTER.
For frick sake, take off the tape out of your eyes.
Literally nothing about that that anyone has seen or is talking about aside from like two threads on here. Is that character even in the movie much and do they even talk about that? I fricking doubt it. Either way, the box office impact is exactly 0%.
This is "woke" because it's a metaphor for interracial relationships but I doubt anyone knows that, either. Also, Zootopia was also a heavy-handed race allegory and that did fine.
This film just looks boring and also like more of the same (Zootopia) but without the personality or the basic appel anthro animals in animation have always had yes even to non-"furries."
Zootopia is a heavy-handed race allegory but the message is non-collectivist, not obcessed with grievance or revenge, and the "pure", non-racist character is the guy who's constantly cracking "racist" jokes and calls the other main character by a race-based nickname.
Furries aren't "born" furries. Movies like Zootopia make them.
Now if you don't mind I'm going to "read Zootopia porn".
>Netflix for ya.
No one heard about the character until literally the day before the film hit theaters. The character wasn't in any commercials, trailers or promos. Just a tweet from the VA.
What's considered too "woke" now? I feel like the barometer is constantly shifting.
it's a giant allegory for race mixing
Zootopia was the same surface level diversity pushing anti-racism message and made over a billion
Zootopia had furries, charming characters and a male protagonist not being moronic to have the girl boss be girlbossy.
Judy was kind of girlbossy but it was demonstrated to be naive so she grew as a person
Also the world is not the same from 2016, made in 2014 to the world of post 2020 with all the BLM and Critical Race Theory thought.
It was more anti-prejudice and more universal since no real race can be transposed onto the species.
Zootopia was a good movie though.
it was pretty based
>kabal of evil government workers flooding drugs into minority populations to make them violent.
Weird to think there's a couple CIA guys driving around Harlem and Chicago shooting Fetanyl darts into black guys.
dream job
Coke, you fool.
Although they are doing that so yeah.
>Zootopia was the same surface level diversity pushing anti-racism message
no. you're just moronic
Spider-verse happened.
oh no! anyway.
>What went wrong?
>Disney put Pixar movies on D+ and trained their audience to not bother with Pixar on cinema.
>This movie concept is meh
>Across the Spiderverse is way cooler not only to kids but their parents too
>The movie's character design is horrendous
>A great character design make or break movies
>Elza character design alone is the only reason why Frozen 1 was a massive hit
>eLemental plot is a rehash of Zootopia
>The setting is terrible
>The main characters have no chemistry unlike Judy and Nick
>There's way more interesting movies out right now, june is a bloodbath.
>Modern audiences hate Disney with a passion
>Modern audiences hate Disney with a passion
maybe men and MAYBE old women but definitely not women under 40. They'll buy $50 dollar mickey ears in a heartbeat
This is all correct
Appealing character design is HUGE especially in animation but appealing looking leads are also really important in romcoms and I think Wade and Ember just lack that visual appeal where people don't want to see these two characters fall in love. Nick and Judy (from Zootopia) are at least cute and fluffy looking where a romance between them looks charming even to little old grannies that have never heard of furries. AND they make for nice toys for the kids who don't care about romance.
Ember is cute, it's Wade who's impossible to care about
There isn't even romance in Zootopia.
Judy does say she loves Nick, but in a weird round about way. I guess they don't do the whole romance thing normally.
That was clearly meant in terms of frienship, as opposed to when they first meet where she hates being around foxes but forces herself to be helpful out of professionalism and then makes him stick around with her to help on her case. She actually likes being around him after the events of the movie.
There isn't an overt, on screen romance but they have enough chemistry that it makes sense for people to interpret it as being potentially romantic or to think they would make a good pairing. A little old granny watching it could think, "Aw they would make a cute couple if they wanted to be," and simultaneously think their grandkids would like a plush of the characters for their birthday because they are cute and fluffy.
Ember and Wade don't have the cute appeal of animals or the visual appeal of attractive humans. In a romcom you can get away with the girl being a bit plain but it is super important the male lead be appealing and Wade just isn't really attractive. They had that whole gag about him looking muscular for a hot second and then he plops back into looking doughy and shapeless. Maybe they should have kept him looking buff the whole time, it might have helped.
A woman wrote this. A furry.
Well, women are the only ones who like romcoms, so it'd not be unexpected, men actually don't like romance
Wrong. Women expect romance from men, creating romance us 90% men's job
Yeah. Man are the offer and woman are the demand.
>Elza character design alone is the only reason why Frozen 1 was a massive hit
Oh come on now, you don't actually believe that, do you? It was the last good Disney movie that made effort to recreate classic Disney magic. People could see it and they went crazy wanting more. That year Frozen came out, absolutely everyone was crazy for that film. A character design does not do that. A good story start to finish that's incredibly rewatchable does that.
And before you say
>but muh personal opinion on Frozen is that it's overrated
It doesn't matter. It is a good, solid story start to finish void of politics with castles and princesses and glittery magic. It stayed true to the Disney formula. Every young girl on the face of planet must have seen that movie around then.
>Every young girl on the face of planet must have seen that movie around then.
Dude you have no idea. My wife is a kindergarden teacher and for YEARS every girl was decked out in Frozen merchandise.
This was happening before D+ and all started with The Good Dinosaur which was their first major flop because the trailers never really explained what it was about other than dinosaurs didn't get wiped out but at the same time never evolved any further and existed long enough for primitive humans to have evolved. The whole movie was simply made to show off this new thing they were doing in real time cloud formation and show off the atmosphere making things further away less detailed.
>This movie concept is meh
All classic Pixar movies have meh concept yet they printed money
It's not interesting, it's by far their most stale movie.
Yup even the good dinosaur had a more original plot.
boring shit from a new IP
Pixar is just disney's direct to DVD studio now
We're getting closer and closer to Pixar's death
So what will be the excuse for this bomb?
Inflation?
Nah, same excuse they used for Lightyear
>"The movie is good, you're just too stupid to understand it."
People are fricking tired of 3d animation, I don't care how artificially 2d it looks, make a fricking effort like Sony and dreamworks and mix the styles of FRICK OFF! Pixar is such bougie bullshit!
>People are fricking tired of 3d animation
Yet 3D movies from other companies print money like the Super Mario one
I really don’t see the purpose of box office threads
Whether the movie flops or is a huge success, people only sit around shouting their headcanons because it’s impossible to accurately guess what the zeitgeist really thinks
hey, Cinemaphile salesposting isn't as bad as the other boards' full on shitposting saleshomosexualry
Nerd and Incels that visit Cinemaphile are insecure since normies look down on them and their hobbies, so they need validation. Sales and critic scores are the closest things they can get to it.
There's a reason non-geek hobbies aren't obsessed with sales / scores.
>normies look down on them and their hobbies
Maybe two decades ago. Anime and video games aren't looked down on anymore anon, besides certain types.
You never had a job.
I like learning about sales from a neutral observer perspective. I like learning about business and finance and how the market flows. Just one of my many autistic obsessions. But I rarely judge if something bombing or being a success is good or not as I don't actually care. I will probably pirate this movie and see for myself if it's a good film or not.
You sound like a massive imbecile.
No he's right.
No I kind of agree. Everyone wants something that fits their narrative but there's a lot of randomness, timing, and luck. If this fell into a dead zone in summer it may have picked up as a random thing to distract your kids with but Spiderman or even seeing Super Mario Brothers again works better for the same thing.
This is a brand new IP and it looks super boring. Still I could see a timeline where it doesn't have competition where it hits pretty big just for being bland, family friendly, and Pixar. Unless it grows unexpected legs it's not this one though.
I only have anecdotal evidence, me and everyone I have talked to about this just think it looks really boring and really played out. "What if instead of people, there are X," I don't know I didn't even get any themes or anything from the ads I saw. Just that it's another "what if X are anthropomorphic" both bad and good like here's a little society of talking animals, talking fish, talking cars, talking emotions, talking bugs, talking toys, talking souls, etc. but unlike some of those other films I didn't see any hook putside of "talking elements" and even that feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel. Oooh talking rocks, talking air, wow!
Let's have talking shoes next, I'll call it Pixar's Nice to Meet Shoe. It will be about different kinds of shoes learning to live together and also becoming independent from your family/community to follow your dream of working for Pixar.
>I really don’t see the purpose of box office threads
Funny how "sales don't matter" ONLY when your favorite movies flop
I'm a numbers autist.
I'm also obsessed with MPA ratings. Don't know why.
its the Cinemaphile thing of morons wanting to argue on objective terms about things of subjective taste and having nothing objective to actually point to outside of sales numbers. Honestly its a transplant from Cinemaphile when snydergays got fed up with being bullied for liking garbage and started posting numbers to try and claim that elusive “objective” standard of taste.
it really serves no purpose for the layman and is just another war for spergs on Cinemaphile or youtube to elicit clicks or threads to argue in.
Just look at what happened with the mario movie and spiderverse. weeks of anons shouting “GO WOKE GO BROKE” and then once they actually made money, they were still shouting it in support for… some idiotic reason.
Pixar sucks now
Let's see...
water is boring
fire is something mentally ill people like
hmm I don't know.
there's no way this made less money than fricking strange world, no one cared for that movie to the point there wasn't even shitpost about it
It at least had ugly people in it that the general average American can relate to. Who hell relates to water or fire. They are not black coded or asian coded
Every bad Disney film hurts the next one more than it hurts the film itself
The next Marvel film will be interesting for this reason
It looks lame
Like, straight to dollar store dvd lame
June was a bad month for movies everything but Spidervese is either flopping or projected to flop. Even Spiderverse is getting hurt because these other movies are still taking away potential views from it.
Spiderverse isn't flopping. It's deep into profit territory, largely because it had a sensible budget (and its just barely opening in some markets like Japan and Korea). You are correct that it still absolutely would have done better without all these other shitty films to cannibalize it's potential profits and take away IMAX seats.
It's simple, we make pixar do animated remakes of disney live action movies
I'm sure 3d animated movies of classic 2d Disney movies is eventually going to happen
It's a matter of time
Rescuers 3, full CG.
Would you watch it?
>Pixar is a shell of its former self, Disney's B-studio.
Really sad fate
Can't make porn of the flame girl due to unappealing design.
It's not over yet! Incredibles 3 will save Pixar!
>Incredibles 3 is announced
>Still no time-skip, the movie just starts like 3 days after Incredibles 2
>The new villains are introduced
>"The Terribles"
>They're just an evil version of the main family
>The father even has a friend called "Burnone"
I would watch that.
It needs to go full critique of superheroes again, build on the first film.
>Film opens with the family fighting some super villain who has an overly elaborate death machine
>They beat it, throw up the death machine into the air, destroy it and cause a blast that can be heard throughout the city.
>shots of people with bloodshot eyes who haven't had any sleep from the constant fights, constant traffic from the repair works, companies having to shut down because of their offices being destroyed
>The Incredibles are being presented with an award at city hall. There's barely a crowd, the mayor hands over the award reading a short speech in monotone and quickly handing over a key to the city and immediately leaving
>sports events basically die a death as they're always dominated by a super hero
>new villain shows up. one man army
>Every time they corner him, he disappears and seemingly shows up somewhere else, sometimes splitting into multiple copies
>at the final confrontation, where the villain tries destroying a museum of heroes during the day it's revealed that they're actually fighting hundreds of people, all with holographic costumes that can be turned off instantly. The Incredibles took so little notice of regular people that they didn't notice every 'clone' they battled was just a person who'd turn off the suit as soon as he was out of view
>all the people are jobless athletes, fireman, health workers, teachers etc who have all had their jobs destroyed or made near impossible by heroes.
>conclusion of the film is that superheroes need to be part of society and can't see themselves above it any more. They become fireman, police officers, utility workers, they don't singlehandedly save the day, they work with their colleagues to genuinely make the world better.
>all the people are jobless athletes, fireman, health workers, teachers etc who have all had their jobs destroyed or made near impossible by heroes.
>conclusion of the film is that superheroes need to be part of society and can't see themselves above it any more. They become fireman, police officers, utility workers, they don't singlehandedly save the day, they work with their colleagues to genuinely make the world better.
We don't need a Luddite plot about how innovations in productivity displace current wage slaves.
The only mistake the Luddites made was breaking machines instead of killing people like you.
This is quite literally the complete opposite to what the Incredibles is about, which is to celebrate talent and rise above the Jaunte-law tall-poppy-syndrome where the inadequate jealously pull down the exceptional. The villain outright says, "When everyone's super, no one will be". The Incredibles is specifically anti-egalitarian.
of the film is that superheroes need to be part of society and can't see themselves above it any more. They become fireman, police officers, utility workers, they don't singlehandedly save the day, they work with their colleagues to genuinely make the world better.
Anon...it's already been done and it wasn't that good to begin with.
A world of super powered garbage men or medical techs with x-ray vision would be preferable to live in, but boring as hell to watch as entertainment.
And isn't that what Mr. Incredible did when he worked for the insurance company? He was fighting for the people by teaching them the ins and outs of the insurance policies and laws and the insurance company was forced to pay out for every claim because of it.
None of that hinged on his powers. What anon wants is the ending of Kingdom Come in the Incredibles World, except without nuclear explosions I hope.
>None of that hinged on his powers
Allegedly Mr. Incredible has super brain and it allows him to figure out various loopholes in law.
Still would be better than The Incredibles 2.
>Supers are banned.
>Parent gets a job opportunity of becoming a hero once again.
>Main antagonist is some fricker with "Super-Issues."
(Even thou Syndrome was way more charming a-la mustache twirling villain, and he got a fair point.)
>Oh no, the totally not bad guy was bad.
>Supers have to stop something of crashing into the city.
>Dash is an hyperactive brat.
>Violet is shy and has the same problems with the same guy because, just like the whole movie he got his memory RESETED.
Is that possible in that world?
What a great way to start a movie. To ERASE ANY KIND OF PROGRESSION of a character dynamic.
And fricking hate DA BABY another FRANKLIN RICHARDS fricking stupid PLOT DEVICE with, basically like Timmy Turner said "Add any other superpower you could think of".
His whole dynamic is being a mc guffin and why is EVERYBODY surprised of him having superpowers? Nobody saw how he managed to beat Syndrome?
I'll watch this if the friend's name is "Burnout" instead
That's a good one
>the twist is that they're only evil due to people stereotyping supervillians
>The Incredibles confront the not-so-subtle bigot senator and tell him he needs to do better
>The Terribles are accepted by society and their crimes are forgiven
>The End
Yup, sounds like an Incredibles sequel made by modern Pixar
I didn't know incredibles 2 was the highest grossing pixar movie, kinda fricked
only if we get Violet fanservice
incredibles 3 being good would be bizare and epic
>incredibles 3
Incredibles 1: Mr. Incredible gets separated from family and unwittingly works for a villain.
Incredibles 2: Mrs. Incredible gets separated from family and unwittingly works for a villain.
Incrediblee 3: Violet becomes an intern and unwittingly works for a villain.
Will I get an Academy Award for an original scenario?
The third movie will be about Bob and Helen coming to terms with the fact that their powers are fading as an analogy for getting older/menopause. Violent loses her introversion and thus invisibility, learning she doesn't need to hide any more.
Frozone has a daughter voiced by zendaya.
The villain is a super-supremacist who is also using his powers and not taking it well.
dash becomes a troony
baby gets killed for some cheap and easy controversy
Only person that gave a shit about Incredibles no longer works at Pixar.
>What went wrong?
Black male Asian female
That's an underrated pairing and the only reason it did any money
no it isn't it made no money because of it
That's unironically the only good thing about it.
nah its one of the worst things about it
how does anyone read Wade as being black? It's just his VA that is black, Wade is supposed to represent the director's white father.
He sounds and acts white, his background is supposed to look WASPy.
It's the fire people that are black. So it is actually a wmbf couple.
See:
wait did they really just make the different elements Black person/asian/etc expys?
lmao pixar's talent really is gone if thats true.
>What went wrong?
Race mixing.
Letting chinks turn their dumbass boring lives into movies.
Good concept, very boring, predictable, repetitive, monotonous, "Seen it", "Been there, done that", and overplayed, story.
1- Pixar is in a bad row.
After "what if nig- I mean souls had feelings", "Totally not Interstellar because we have a lesbo 4 frames scene so China can cut it" and "It's not a phase MAM!!" The Movie.
2- People is tired of the blatant and self-motivated pandering to NO ONE.
3- The movie from the very FIRST announcement felt like the most GENERIC and BORING concept ever.
4- This whole movie looks lifeless and even you could say it was written by an AI. "There are element people in element city and they have problems to mix."
4- It has the same fricking concept of "Racism is bad, kids. Don't be racists!" Dude. People already knows that. But I'm starting to think otherwise about the US.
5- It's basically Zootopia but worse with even more ON THE NOSE race allegory. At least Zootopia had FURRIES which is always a win, it was a crime solving story and it had it's own way to show the world.
6- It's creatively bankrupt.
The ELEMENT people live in ELEMENTAL City. It's like saying we humans live in "BAGS OF MEAT City"
It has the same 4 elements like if this was Avatar. C'mon. They couldn't come up with something more original besides "element puns".
Oh, funny the fire people eat fuel because LOL LMAO. And water people do the wave but they TURN into a WAVE. How CLEVER and funny you are.
Also the world presented makes NO FRICKING SENSE. Why would element people need houses or use trains?
The movie could be about humans and different cultures and would be THE SAME.
7- Pixar already fired basically all of the people who once made them great.
8- This commits the same error Zootopia had if you consider it a race allegory. Element people can't mix because if they do THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER.
Basically, if the guy hugged the girl I don't mind their names they're GENERIC too, he would kill her.
But even Zootopia tried to explain that the fear to carnivores was mostly an instinct from the past.
9- This is a Pixar Short extended to a full-length production.
Based effortpost deserves recognition here's a (You)
I concur
>But I'm starting to think otherwise about the US.
Frick me, I wish. Seems like the US is the only country that isn't racist what the Little Mermaid box office.
>Those dirty unenlightened foreigners must be racist to not want to see a movie
You're just as bad as morons saying western civilization has fallen for casting a black Ariel
>Pixar already fired basically all of the people who once made them great.
More like they retired because all the great stuff came from the guys who originally founded it who all retired or went off to do other things. You're talking about a company that's pushing 40 years old.
>Bomba
It's just nature. Read Decline of the West to understand what's happening.
Honestly Toy Story 3 was great and it was the perfect conclusion.
Then 4 happened and decided to take a massive SHIT in the whole franchise.
>Toy Story 3 was great
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It was a good conclusion, partner.
You like it or not, the whole franchise was about "the purpose of a toy is bringing joy to a kid" and Andy wasn't a kid anymore.
Yeah you could argue he could give his toys to his kids in the future... But image that knowing toys are alive.
So, the "passing the torch" was alright.
The second movie couldn't be a conclusion.
It was at least okay, and yes, that is damning with faint praise
>Honestly Toy Story 3 was great and it was the perfect conclusion.
The last scene is a good conclusion, but it doesn't save the rest of the movie. The rest Toy Story 3 entirely hinges on how much you like Lotso and Spanish Buzz because it will not shoving both of them in your face.
Agreed, TS3 is just in essence a rehash of TS2 with a less compelling villain that coasts on its ending to wring every nostalgia filled tear from an audience that grew up with Toy Story. Objectively it’s subpar and treats Buzz terribly as a character when in TS2 he was the one that had to talk sense into Woody like how Woody had to break his delusions in TS1.
Jeez, when I look at the films under decline, 'Inside Out' is the only one that had any lasting presence in the fan community. The sequels I don't count cause they are just continuations of the golden ages impact.
Only three movies before we enter "The Revival" era guys!
Poor marketing for a supposedly good movie with a bland hook and no obvious demographic. It's a (very expensive) romcom, if you take the romance out of the film you don't have anything left while most animated films would still have something of substance if you removed the romance from it.
Kids don't really go for romcoms.
Who is this movie for?
I mean the romance was pretty terrible in it due to it coming out of left field it was very poorly paced and very choppy how to describe it. The beginning was really good the world building was good in the beginning but after that they completely forgot about these characters and the elemental powers they had. But it wasn't as bad of a movie as people trying to make it out to be it was a very okay movie and kind of boring for kids. It's a very mediocre movie . It's not bad enough to be funny and it's not good enough to really like it so it falls in this gray area it's better than a good dinosaur but falls far short of any of the other Pixar films. And it's still better than strange world. It would have worked as a TV or streaming movie but for the theaters it was not a really good movie. It was okay not great but okay. In a lot of ways I think they should have thought about it a little bit more because 2/3 of the movie are just boring , I mean her personality is she's angry because she doesn't want to take over the store and the water guy likes her for some reason. Huge problem is that even the idea of they can't touch is forgotten as now they have magical love chemicals or something the power of a love changes so they can touch each other. Which killed the whole premise of the movie halfway through. There's no villain which also means it's just a romantic comedy. I wish they had thought it out a little bit more especially with the city because the city was working very well until we just focused on fire town and the canal and that was it. It could have worked a lot better it seemed to be very rushed and under produced. It was a okay to mediocre movie. Water work better as a TV movie or streaming movie. I don't know where the budget went because the animation in 2/3 of it wasn't that good. The beginning was as good as zootopia the rest of the film was hero 6 and lesser films it's the best way I can describe it
Good critique and touches on a lot of things I've heard from other people condensed into a single comment. Anyway the heart of the film seems to be:
>immigrants feeling excluded
>family expectations
>yeah the whole love thing
The characters being elements is just a way to punch up the basic conflicts and create an interesting setting (its not a bad approach and they do this for a lot of their better films anyway). But that overlay they went with for Elemental just isn't interesting to people. They cant make the characters animals because that is too much like Zootopia and they can't make them humans because then the story would be too simple and boring so what else should they have done?
You say that they even abandon the element themed worldbuilding so what was the point? You say the romance was terrible so what was the point? Them not being able to touch would have been some zesty conflict but that doesn't matter? What was the point?
>kind of boring for kids
the death knell.
Overall I wish they had done more with the plot. It could have used the villain or something more driving the story then oh no the city is going to condemn the store. The whole fire plot and fire characters and again the elementals themselves are really well done in the beginning but after that they just were forgot and it just turned into every basic romantic comedy you've ever seen before
How would a villain have worked?
A rival store?
A greedy developer that wants to Eminent Domain the shop?
She could have been betrothed to another guy maybe like a rich fire dude or something. Maybe even some gangster water people or some sort of evil group it it is a very weak movie it needs a lot of work again the first part of the movie was well thought out visually and the city was well thought out and then they just sort of gave up on the rest of itBecause the plot is very weak
hmm maybe I will see it on discount then
>They cant make the characters animals because that is too much like Zootopia
Zootopia only has exotic animals, no domesticated species, so hear me out on this one:
female dog x male cat
could be anthro or feral (preferably anthro to avoid it looking like a Secret Life of Pets clone)
their personalities could essential be the same as in Elemental (dog girl is rowdy, brash, and angry while cat is passive, meek, and sometimes skittish)
I'd watch it
I STILL think it sounds too similar to Zootopia and yet I STILL think this sounds more interesting than Elemental. If we wanted it to feel more unique though what if we set it in the past? Zootopia was modern, maybe this variant could be set in the Victorian Era or 1920s or something.
>dog girl
>cat boy
>forbidden love theme again
>immigration theme again if you must
>jazz or ragtime or whatever
>fun historic outfits
>frick it, make it a musical
The other animals could be I dunno, bunnies or chinchillas? Or maybe it could be a rat girl and cat boy?
Cats don't dance?
>Zootopia only has exotic animals, no domesticated species
Zootopia's pigs were pink. Only domesticated pigs are pink.
That's honestly probably just because Disney couldn't design a boar without people thinking it's a warthog.
Aren't pigs just pampered boars? I was told when pigs go feral they start growing hair and tusks.
been a while since ive seen the film but i dont remember seeing pigs in zootopia
huh
She thicc, I wanna make her scream like if she was in a slaughterhouse.
iirc she was meant to be the og mayor before they switched to a lion, but they reused her asset for this scene
So a fat rich pig.
That would be too on the nose I think.
>The characters being elements is just a way to punch up the basic conflicts and create an interesting setting
Yeah but the elements just wasn't a good setting. It's a bit dumb when thinking about physics, and for kids - who cares about elements?
Kids like animals and dinosaurs and aliens and toys and whatnot.
They have no connection with the four elements.
They should have done something more appealing, like a movie about maybe monsters, or zombies, or aliens.
Or, eh, maybe some kind of animal.
Oh you know what? They should have a movie with Alligators and Crocodiles and a city they have, then the racism comparison makes more sense since the two are very similar with just minor physical differences, like people.
Then kids would have liked it more
I mean it still would have flopped, because there just isn't a major demographic for an animated romance movie
Alligators and crocodiles is a great idea
I’d also suggest purebred dogs and mutts.
>Who is this movie for?
Lonely manchildren who never got their fire gf so they live vicariously through water boy
>Who is this movie for?
For NO ONE, men and kids are automatically turned off for it being a romcom, let's be honest most men that do watch are dragged by their wive/gf to watch not because they actually like those movies and while women a suckers for romcoms and romance melodrama garbage they won't care if the MCs are just a bunch of colored ugly blobs, no girl is gonna get wet by the water guy for example, this movie has no reason to exist at all
most of the disney princess movies are romances, what the frick are you talking about
there's a lot of good stuff coming out from people who aren't disney/pixar. i think that is a more than good tradeoff.
most of the disney princess movies have a lot of other stuff going on that isn't romance in case you think the opposite sex is still icky
I would've loved a simple and wholesome romance movie from Pixar, but it's just so goddamn ugly and the trailers were painfully unfunny when they were clearly trying to be. It's like they were trying to appeal to adults with the love aspect (because let's be honest, most kids think romance is icky) and were at the same time trying to appeal to kids with the humor and setting (and adults who watch romance movies probably aren't going to be interested in that), so in the end the movie really appealed to no one.
Let's blame the good dinosaur guy again
It feels like a very personal story from the director, but even I (from a similar position) found it too heavy-handedly specific. I don't pretend to understand why some movies fail, but that's one thing I didn't like about the film.
immigration is bad because it turns out maladjusted artists unable to tell widely appealing stories
It's an analogy for Black folk.
Holy shit wait what
This movie is not subtle at all.
This is just like the time I also got kicked out of a botanical garden because I too was engulfed in flames
it's just not fricking fair bros, my fire my choice
it's not subtle if she doesn't call him water boy
They're ALL negus.
I would actually like to run thru the concept of that flower with the creators. >"It is a flower that can thrive in any environment, even fire."
So shouldn't that mean it is a very common plant?
I'm kinda guessing she has to walk past a lot of very flammable flowers to get to it.
Heck, the film even shows her fricking up all the plants in an office at one point.
But a flower that thrives anywhere would not make sense as the focus of the exhibition.
Its like an AI being tasked to write about "discrimination" and doing this very generic, platitude version of it.
Who's who?
Here’s the cheat sheet for the race allegory Anon
>Fire: Asians
>Water: Blacks
>Earth: Native Americans/Mexicans
>Air: Whites/Europeans
Literally everyone has different answers so it's whatever you make of it. All you need to know is everyone is racist.
What is "shacha risha"? Is that like shouting "Fire Power"?
Yea
Yes, they unironically had the time to make up an entire fricking language for the fire people but avoided having the plot make actual sense
Lemme guess none actually speak it aside from small exclamations
Maybe they were like Tolkien and started with the language first and then made a story around it, but they're shitty storytellers.
Literally like a few words of this shit language is spoken in the movie.
>we had fun creating a language that "sounds like fire"
that's akin barking chingchangchong pretenting it's "fun creating a language that sounds like asians"
what a waste of money
Whatever they paid these people, it was too much.
>coming in and being destructive
Yep that checks out
>it's a metaphor for racism
>except all of the races really are genuinely different and clearly can't live together because of their inherent differences
this is unironically the best ethno-nationalist propaganda ive ever seen. water can't live with fire because water exstinguishes fire and fire turns water into steam. fire obviously isn't allowed near plants because their nature is to burn everything up. this would be hitler's favorite movie.
I can't believe they don't see it
The people running DnD saw it and decided to remove basically all the mechanical differences between the races, even though they're literally different races and not different colors of the same basic form
>The people running DnD saw it and decided to remove basically all the mechanical differences between the races
That's not true at all. All they've done is removed racial things in their lore. They're making races blank slates lore wise so you can do whatever you want with them. The books have always been a guideline to me when it comes to the lore of the races in your game. So if you want orcs to only be an evil race, you can still do that in your game.
It's literally fricking Menace to Society
That's so shitty
Could've sworn Zootopia did this better. Hell, even Promare did this better.
wow doesnt this look so fun and entertaining for children!
Can’t tell if they’re white, black, or israeli.
Do I need to show the store surveilance footage?
>YOU NO COME TO MY STORE!
>I REMEMBER YOUR FACE!
In the movie the dad has a hard time picking out waterBlack folk. He can't remember Wade even though he shows up like 3 times to the store.
It looks like a tech demo mixed with a five year old's concept of what a Pixar movie should be. It's just derivative of Pixar's other movies.
Wow this movie where the different races literally cant live together make me think that all races really can live together.
So, seriously, is this movie trying to make a meta-commentary on how racism is justifiable? How did this get past Disney censors?
It's a personal story from a director of color (DOC) so they just trusted his judgement without using any of their own.
This. What people don't realize is that, on average, Asians tend to be the most racist people in this day and age. Probably why the director didn't see the very obvious justifications for banning certain elements from certain parts of their society. It's like how boomers try to overtly not racist, and end up being racist/patronizing as a result.
Personally I also hate when media depicts everybody as hivemind. I don't live in the US but I doubt that every fricking second gen Asian is the same type of person regardless of which country their parents came from and regardless of individual development and circumstances. I would guess that Japanese tend to be a bit different from Vietnamese and the Chinese but nah there is only "the asian".
If people want diversity I really appreciate it when they just write characters and then choose to make some of them black or something. It seems to work for Spiderverse. The writing and personality need to come first, if you solely define a character by their heritage it can only be shit and I doubt that it's even accurate. But again correct me if I am wrong. Asians aren't very common where I live (Germany), I only had one new Asian kid (aka kids of Asian immigrants) per school class but even then I dare to claim that none of them were different. I had the talented quirky artist Chinese, the shy Korean, the conservative Chinese, the funny Japanese who was into manga, the Korean fujo and a mentally ill kleptomaniac (forgot where her parents came from). None of them were similar.
Asian people have a strong culture and don't need to get the Yankee approval of their beliefs.
They don't like to bend the knee.
They're proud of what they are, and since yankees hate themselves and have NO CULTURE they dislike everyone that has it.
Tbf, you say that as if modern identity politics are… questionable at best
Most racism allegories fail terribly because they try a racial allegory but with two actually different groups of beings instead of things which are mostly the same.
Like that video game, Detroit: Become Human, there it was androids and humans, but like androids are way different then humans. So the allegory makes no fricking sense.
Same with Zootopia, and also this.
You can't do a good racial allegory without just mentioning actual racism because to have a story where two very different peoples conflict, and try to connect that to modern day race relations, that implies that the races are very distinct
human "races" more like subspecies really, are not mostly the same in any capacity thats the thing
Is there any element that is more powerful than water, fire, air, earth, plants, ice and all the others combined?
I want an element superior to all and that the other elements are worth a dick
Void
Reasons why I would be void in the Elemental Universe?
love
Aether
Quintessence
>all these moronic culture warriors ITT missing the obvious
It looks ugly. That's it. Most people deciding whether or not to go see it don't even know what the plot is, they just see the ugly visuals + uncreative setting and don't like it.
Legitimately Pixar's worst looking movie by a significant margin. To the point that I'm shocked it got approved.
Racemixing propaganda only works if the rest of the movie is good. This is more Little Mermaid than Spiderverse.
>try to depict multi-racial society as "natural" by depicting them as the four classical elements
>end up demonstrating how inconvieniant and downright destructive it is for them to live together instead
This was so shit even judging from very first concepts-artworks
>sexy hothead female-fire
>moronichomosexual male-water
>they are so different but they are still together!
yawn
How Pixar could even end up being such a lame studio. why everything sucks these days. Every big studio stops doing good stuff and doing crap
we're in a point of cultural stagnation it is so weird. why does so much stuff suck. I liked spiderverse at least.
>we're in a point of cultural stagnation it is so weird
we've become such consoomers nobody wants to actually create
no point in creating if weirdos will borderline kill you if they don't like
Censorship and conformity-first attitudes kill creativity.
Literally nothing is stoping you. You’re full of shit. You can post nearly anything on this website. Elon musk bought Twitter so you can post nearly anything on Twitter unless it’s a book full of nothing but the N word. Tucker Carlson posted an hour worth of shit and Elon musk promoted all of it to millions. Elon musk also promoted that guy that who made that movie that really doesn’t like transgender people to 180 million people. Sure doesn’t sound like censorship to me. You can use any alt tech website you want, don’t like Twitter and tweeting? Go truth on truth social. It’s never been easier to run a website just chose a white supremacy domain registrar. The storm front is still up, kiwi farms is still up. Sam Hyde isn’t even banned from YouTube, he’s literally brining back million dollar extreme. Literally no one is “censoring” you, you’re censoring yourself. There is no “they” that won’t let you make your shitty movies/videos. The bottom line is nobody is censoring you and you’re making shit up for pity points if you say otherwise.
I'm saying why the big companies are failing.
decided to scope out what parents think:
>Wade's sister has a girlfriend, for whatever reason this controversy isn't getting much play probably since people don't care about the movie, but this might be enough to get conservative parents to opt out.
>"It is full of mushy romance, which I feel is evident in the previews, but I went with a group of 9 year old girls who all said it was “cringy”… so it may be a bit heavy on the romance. "
>"There are touching moments aplenty, although my 8-year-old twins got a bit restless at times. Tonally, the movie is fairly serious. It contains humor—some of it quite funny—but the movie lacks a classic goofy side-character to produce laughs."
with this in mind it might be getting good WoM but parents might be telling other parents to wait for streaming
>Wade's sister has a girlfriend, for whatever reason this controversy
How is this a controversy?
how are lesbian homosexualS not a controversy?
Your gay days are numbered, homosexual.
ESG scores
schizos
It's a fricking ugly film, first and foremost. Even the character designs in the concept art look super unappealing.
That's pretty bad. They really couldn't have picked a more generic concept. lol
Nothing beyond surface level cleverness either.
Pixar's entire character design team need to be sacked
Elementals feels like that kind of idea you think is really good but once you start adding depth to it you realise it's a terrible idea and its too late to go back on
I would not be surprised to find out $100-150M of the $200M budget was wasted on getting to that exact point years ago. This really feels like they autistically built up the world while thinking they'd figure out the story before the due date and then forgot about it. Or money laundering lol.
The characters look like dumb design exercises. The premise sounds shitty. Like some independent animated short film that took itself way too seriously.
Feels like any serious concern about interracial relationships is long considered ridiculous by most members of society so a movie trying to capitalize on those themes and cliches around interracial relationships through allegorical element people is just late to the party at best and deeply cynical at worst.
>anyone thinking the problem is interracial relationships or "going woke"
>most ads and trailers tell nothing about the story
>doesn't look entertaining or funny
>snippets of the plot show its mediocre and typical
People are legitimately tired of seeing "ov vey the family tradition but with X". Elemental is just mediocre and boring.
Seriously, how is this doing worse than The Good Dinosaur??
The inertia hadn't worn down yet then.
It's just a shock to me. At least people are talking about this movie.
Because it's probably when it's finally proved to everyone that Pixar has fallen from their previous heights. They're not having an off-day with this movie or that movie, they've just declined in general.
Coming off the back of a big flop, after a series of films which kinda got forgotten about quickly.
Disney films pay for the sins of their fathers
It's not just worse, it's *much* worse. The Good Dinosaur's opening of $39 million in 2015 is the equivalent of $50 million in 2023 dollars. On top of that, ticket prices have exceeded inflation. Elemental is essentially opening to half the number of audience goers as The Good Dinosaur.
The fire girl is cute but there’s no way I’m seeing it in theatres, I’ll wait for the streaming release
what whas the point of making a 4 elements movie if only two of them are important to the film? air and earth characters are irrelevant to and "elements don't mix" doesn't make sense, nothing will happen if an air dude and earth chick hug each other
>pixar artist doodles wade and ember
>higher ups love it
>want to make a movie around it
>some executive has the bright idea to have this be about classical elements, since they got water and fire covered
>all other aspects are half-assed
In Zootopia the characters live in the city of Zootopia, because it's a zoomorphic utopia.
>An utopia of animals.
In Elementals. Element people live in Element City, because they are elements.
>Elements in Element City.
You see the difference?
Just finished watching this and the vibe I got was Water = white
Fire = Asian
Air, not really much to go on but the voiced single one acted like white but very little to go on
same with earth, maybe earth a nigs cuz of that one child one trying to hit on all the fire elemental.
KNEEL
Isn't this movie bombing even harder?
Dreamworks doesn't have Disney money, so it's doing as expected for the amount of money they put in it.
Disney's budget for Elemental's marking is equal to the production budget of Ruby Gillman, and Elemental is still shitting the bed.
Both look fun and have cute girls.
I WILL pirate and enjoy both.
Too bad Universal didn't bother marketing this film, nor did they care when they spoiled the majority of the plot in its trailers.
>$2M opening domestic
Jesus, that's even worse than Elemental.
>What went wrong?
Just look at the goddamn trailer
Genuinelly the most generic story imaginable able overcoming our differences with nothing but element puns. I can't imagine how this made it past the brainstorming phase.
>>$2M opening domestic
>Jesus, that's even worse than Elemental.
That's almost all from the Annecy animation festival, the movie hasn't been released for general audiences yet
And if you look further, you could consider male prey characters part of the "feminist allies" men.
ITS OVER
I really wanna frick that fire. Not enough to watch her movie though.
at least it didn't fail as bad as Jem which flopped so hard it was pulled from every theater within a week
Btw just to let you know, the people who worked on the movie are again blaming the audience for being too stupid
> A superhero film is out this week's lets release this film
>both movies are bombing anyway
Flash should have done 70$ million its capeshit
Pixar needs to die so a better studio can be born.
God I wish I could have Ember's flaming ass in my face.
does Ember have fire farts ?
Hot Stuff coming through!
If elements aren't supposed to mix why the FRICK would they bother having integrated seating at a sports event?
Wade's stupid face. Even the biggest casual would be turned off by it.
he's just a sensitive nervous little guy who's honest about his feelings! that's what women want, right? right?
Would have worked if he’d kept the big buff himbo body
That's just teenage Osmosis Jones.
They should've fully committed to the romcom idea and made a 100% chick flick instead of some thinly veiled culture allegory.
You MUST have thinly veiled culture allegories to maintain high ESG scores.
Well if that leaked requirement for Best Picture demanding the story have minorities and the plot have something to do with minorities struggling is true then be prepared for this type of story non-stop all year.
>movie is an allegory for coal burning
>Female lead is literally burning
Pixar knew exactly what they were doing.
okay, so just tell me how it ends? i don't care for a second about this movie, cept for how the fire girl made some artists awaken some neurons to draw her.
do they just turn into steam and die? or something?
Bad opening day, and films almost always decline from there.
>So if it's reeeaaal...
>Then darling let me know.
The premise sucked from the start.
Unless the reference is so vague to be like "White/Literally anything else"
The arguments against it only prove more and more my point.
Again.
>Big MALE pred.
>Smaller FEMALE prey.
There are more obvious parallelisms, if you wanna use the Race Allegory you will need like 4 kilograms of WILLINGNESS to do it.
Sorry but I don't see the racial allegory anywhere.
What about Shakira. A GAZELLE.
Why she couldn't be a wolf, wasn't she "la loba en el armario"?
And why Gazelle is part of the safe dominant prey group? Shakira is not white she's latina. It's stupid!
Why her backdancers are male preds? Why couldn't be male preys?
My point is. It's easier to see that instead of having to use way too much imagination to make the racial allegory work.
Imagine if the sexes were reversed and you had some big predator lady and a tiny prey guy.
Nick is larger than Judy, but he's smaller than most animals in the film (such as the police chief, a prey species) and this contrast comes up several times.
There are also some elephants and rhinos in the film; huge prey animals...although in reality these large herbivores are only rarely preyed upon by any predator (all of which are smaller than them)
is the same as Toy Story, you can't take the plot too seriously because it suddenly becomes a religious metaphor.
Also important to consider, the original Zootopia was about preys having electric collars, it was a dark and adventurous film about furry cartoon people, not any moronic allegory, the team behind Zootopia wasn't allowed to make the movie they actually wanted to make, that's why everything comes out as weird and forced because they never gave it that much of a thought.
Haven't seen Elemental but wouldn't surprise me is the same case. Why everything needs to be political? why can't people just tell a fricking story about elements having personality, that can work that can sell, that can, Andy-sama forgive me, even be liked by people.
Elemental isn't particularly political. Had they managed to make it so none of the elements can be tied to races (like how Zootopia did it where no species can be tied to any races), it could be a good movie. It's just as you watch the overtness of the clear racial metaphors just kinda makes you roll your eyes and you can't enjoy it for what it is.
The best parts of the movies are when nothing is happening, because it's not being political.
people are tired of being preached to
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1669879327108784129
>All of those people at the bottom wanting MORE Pixar sequels to CONSOOM
Nevermind, I take back what I said. These people deserve the wave of mediocre Pixar sequels that's about to come.
i'm completely fine with sequels as long as they have a reason to exist, or they do something completely different like Last Wish. But we all know that Pixar will make the laziest most obvious shit they could think of and hope it sells on brand recognition alone.
>Bad sequel is announced by a company that makes notoriously bad sequels
>Well, maybe this on-
Learn to sense a pattern.
Haterbros...
Is "flawed but enjoyable" the highest praise you have?
No beef if that's how you feel. I think it's a trashfire though.
lmao random internet comments don't mean anything, box office numbers do. no one wants to see elementals.
Is that what Pixar has fallen to? We ask a lot from Pixar because they were the standard in quality animation AND storytelling.
name one (1) original concept in Elemental
Rock/Paper/Scissors racism.
well master race
If they make a bad film (bland and boring is bad) it deserves to fail.
If they retreat to a safe sequel assembly line because of that it's their own decision and I don't have any responsibilty for it.
this is the most flawed logic ever
> if you support the newest slop you will get even more slop
>if you don't support it that means you wont get the good stuff
it wasn't enjoyable
Just because an idea can be "original" (which seeing the abundance of movies about racism / racism allegories, Elemental definitely isn't original) doesn't mean it gets a free pass if it's shit. I mean come on man it's a fricking movie about FIRE and WATER who the frick would genuinely be excited about THAT. That shit is lame dude
ATLA is still somehow relevant and is just a story about dudes throwing water and fire at each other.
Yeah but they aren't the elements themselves. Much cooler if you're a character wielding those elements, like ATLA and even fricking Bionicle did that better. Gives a nice power fantasy that way
Also nice digits
It did worse than The Good Dinosaur? Because that movie was hot garbage.
$29 million opening weekend.
Pixar's worst box office performance ever, even worse than The Good Dinosaur.
It's almost below the original Toy Story's OW, unadjusted for inflation.
But like, the movie can't actually be worse than The Good Dinosaur can it?
Probably not, but Disney and Pixar have been in a rut so chances are people are avoiding their films more nowadays.
Rut is an understatement. It's middling to full on bombs. I can't even remember the last major hit they had.
The movie isn't even bad. It's just so unoriginal and follows like the standard Hallmark Christmas movie formula.
Everything that happens you predict from a mile away. Nothing that happens makes you raise your eyebrow and say okay that's a cool concept or anything.
The only thing I can give it credit for is that Ember doesn't "want to do with her parents do" and go do art school shit, because they establish in the world that glassblowing is a prestigious profession since the majority of Elemental City's structures are made out of pure glass. So she's basically becoming a doctor or lawyer equivalent that typical Asian parents want for their children.
Of course, that's probably just cope from art school writers that think their career path is prestigious.
Bland and boring is bad enough.
The correct answer is it has nothing to do with Elemental at all. Here's a picture so you can understand what came before it.
>lightyear comes out
>parents furious at the black space lesbians
>Strange World with it's openly gay teen also happened
>huge boycott towards both Pixar and Disney
>conservatives across the US are not coming back because it's now apart of the culture war
This isn't even the full truth, like
Yeah, there's a small group of people that basically stopped watching this shit because of wokness, but most people stopped because the shit they're doing is starting to be genuinely awful.
Lightyear was a "Buzz film" that ended up being a film about a strong black woman where Buzz himself feels like a secondary
Strange World was incredibly bland with boring designs and a boring world, which, when 80% of your film is "woah look at this quirky thing!", kills your movie (also every single character was painfully unoriginal and boring)
Toy Story 4 literally made every other Toy Story film horrible retroactively because of the ending
And on, and on and on
>Lightyear was a "Buzz film" that ended up being a film about a strong black woman where Buzz himself feels like a secondary
Nobody who actually saw the movie says this. Why is hater commentary such a cringy cliche?
Wokeness isn't what killed those movies. It was the fact they both looked really fricking boring. Lightyear especially was a Buzz Lightyear movie in name only, and they expected us to believe that piece of crap is what Andy was obsessed with as a kid
Disney was always a part of the culture war. I don't understand how people are surprised they're like this. People got pissed over Brandy being Cinderella in a TV movie done by them. Conservative reactionaries will always exist. The difference is social media has allowed them to be more connected and have more outlets to rant their shit.
I agree that cons are just as annoying and whiny as wokes, but I think this isn't the reason for the movie failing. Pixar movies were always made for very young kids or morons and those kids simply got older so they don't watch that stuff anymore. There is so much other animated stuff to choose from and pixar stuff seems to be always the same with the same type of humor and morals.
Even when I watched the ant movie with 14 or so I felt like I was way too old for it already. I didn't actually dislike it but it felt like watching the smurfs when you are 35.
>Pixar movies were always made for very young kids or morons and those kids simply got older so they don't watch that stuff anymore.
That's not remotely true at all.
i feel like light year failed more because there was no tim allen
Tim Allen and Disney shooting themselves on the foot with all the "don't say gay" BS.
camrips yet? is it even worth it or is the CG actually worth watching at full quality?
https://pixeldrain%2Ecom/u/Rj1nb3vn
Are you telling me Elemental city doesn't have any houses built of stone?
No but it's a plot point that it has lots of houses made of glass. Glass made by melting sand. and they have been melting this sand just fine without the help from fire people for ages, apparently
Wait, there is only one family of fire people in this city?
There's an entire fire ghetto but the initial montage implies it was basically built thanks to ember's family and their shop. when in the city proper, ember is the only fire person in any given shot, and she's treated as an outsider. so if there's a flourishing industry where fire people are in high demand, the movie fails to establish that. the person who suggests ember should be making glass for a living even treats it as a rare talent rather than something inherent to her being literal fire. this movie has zero thought put into it.
They did say that glassmaking is a very lucrative career because Element City uses mostly glass for its buildings, but how the frick are the other elements making it without fire?
Considering that the others are water guys they could just slip in through little holes and don't need doors either. It seems like the elemental part is only relevant when the plot wants it to (none of them should be able to held any items in their hands either).
Some have criticized this movie's use of elements in its immigration analogy as clumsy, but it reflects modern white progressive view perfectly, if not intentionally. They place diversity above the personal safety of existing inhabitants, as well as the safety of the infrastructure. The message is to invite them in, even if a fiery inferno is inevitable.
She fricking literally lights the doorbell on fire by touching it. WHY THE FRICK WOULD THEY EVEN THINK TO RENT A WOODEN HOUSE?
I can't stop laughing. This is basically a racial nationalist film. How did they not realize this.
When you're so woke you end up wrapping around and making a 200 million dollar A. Wyatt Mann cartoon with Disney's name on it
Hard to believe that this is the same studio that was able to deliver a compelling love story between two robots.
Element City culture is centered around worshiping liquors. They have holidays for worshiping their divine liquors. They sacrificed hundreds of thousands of fire elementals to repent to their divine liquors. Their gospels consists entirely of liquor music. Their divine prophet is the great divine liquor president. They worship how liquors dress and act. They spread their belief by posting sassy gifs of liquors. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of worshipping liquors playing CloudBall. They use liquors chants like "slick" and "wet". When you say "Peter Sohn" they're not thinking of the founder of father of Pixar. They're thinking of the divine liquors. They pray to the liquor as the liquor free them from their belongings and flood their cities. They worship their liquor worshiping police force disproportionately filled with liquors and their global police force of soldiers filled with liquors. Their men sit around worshiping liquor ball while their women sit around worshiping liquor talk shows. They pray while crying to their fallen liquor saints like Trayvon Martini, Michael Brownfluid and George Fjord while attacking the Earth Elements who actually built their country before liquors took over. Their movies are filled with liquors and their music charts are topped by liquors. They send liquors to the Olympics and celebrate when the liquors win because those liquors are the true red blooded Element City messiahs. They worship liquor porn to a point where 'BLC' does not make them think of an international media company but about liquor penises instead. They will always tell you how much they worship liquor and how Element City has always been and will be a city of liquors worshiping the divine liquor.
its literal just a halfassed story about racism but with element people(with the element aspect actively HURTING the race allegory). it literally reminds of shark tale where the will smith calls his pufferfish boss a "white fish" and the entire plot is just a just mob movie with fish inserted in.
how come pixar can't make memorable characters anymore
Isn't this the movie where Pixar put out a fake crowd reaction in their marketing to get people hyped?
There's an inescapable trap when it comes to racism alegories in entertainment:
The "correct" way to show the folly of racism would be to make both sides almost identical, but that shit is boring from an entertainment perspective. The only solution is to play up their differences, which in turn undermines the whole message they were trying to get across. Bonus frickup points if one side is inherently more violent, like being constantly on fire or the stress-response-rage-mode of the animal people in Brand New Animal.
In defense of BNA at least it tried to be cute and cool were it could even if the point failed to land harder than any writer trying to make serious political drama on a Gundam series
People just want to be entertained, art be dammed
I like the idea an anon had to make them alligators and crocodiles.
>alligators and crocs
>purebred dogs and mutts
>rabbits and hares
>lizards and salamanders
Sounds good on paper until you realize that there's no real contrast that allows for interesting clashes. They'd just be racist.
what about purebred dogs and mutts? the differences are just cosmetic.
Again, the lady and the tramp.
Hares are not rabbits m8.
The comparison is like dingos and domestic dogs. They have common ancestors they are from the same group, but they are NOT the same species.
The only way this type of racial allegory could work is with color. Like 2 types of birds yellow ones and blue ones.
BNA is a great show and it managed the concept of fear and just pure hatred of the unknown.
Like, of course just works on its own universe. And it's not something about groups of the same.
But most of the times when a Beastman turned savage, it was because humans harrased them and treated them like trash.
So yeah, you can expect if you tell somebody how shit they are all their life, at some point they will explode.
Also, frick Nazuna you b***h should commit seppuku everything in the end was YOUR fault and you were so oblivious to see the evil man being EVIL.
>If not, ask to the Rejected Austrian Painter.
The character designs are absolutely bland. Racism allegory? There are already tons of garbage stories like that out there. In a word, zero originality.
>The character designs are absolutely bland. Racism allegory? There are already tons of garbage stories like that out there. In a word, zero originality.
It actually flopped fricking hard, dipshit
Don't own Disney stock. No idea why you think I care.
This but unironically. Also you should feel ashamed of yourself for cowardposting lol what a loooser, too scared to quote the guy? On the internet? Double pussy.
first day here?
He is just memeing, and you are taking the bait.
>i was just pretending to be moronic!
Ok gay, don't you have some wieners to go gobble at your local gay bar
so you are a newbie.
A little advice, don't forget you are here, forever.
go back to plebbit
>making $11.8M on opening day is considered a failure
>article written on inverse day
The Party is always right.
Movies went to shit because everybody decided that everything needs to sell ten gorrilion tickets or else it's a failure. This is why all movies are but lowest common denominator shit without anything creative or risky. Doesn't help that for some reason every US movie costs like half a billion nowadays no matter how shitty it looks.
blame the need to appease moronic shareholders who want nothing but endless growth.
my favorite bit will always be square calling ff15, the best selling game in the entire franchise, a commercial failure
It cost way too fricking much to make because they're incompetant.
It's a mistake for Disney to assume that people would watch ugly shit. Plus everything pixar makes is so fricking dumb and in-your-face that the trailers alone will make you cringe to death, I never liked any cgi shit they made and I hate the emoji faces all of their "characters" have. And the settings are also absolute trash made for toddlers.
Audiences are tired of DNC propaganda and woke shit. Even critics are too tired to keep up the facade for their jobs. Look around you, people are tired and want normalcy back. Trannies going topless at the White House isn’t what they asked for. 100% Trump wins next year.
tbh I am fine as long as desantis doesn't win.
.-troony
Where the frick can I watch it? Not showing in my cinema.
Even ignoring the lazy worldbuilding, uninspired designs and dumb race allegory, it's the second original Pixar movie in a row that focuses on le overbearing asian parent, and it doesn't say anything about it that Turning Red hasn't already. It could have been potentially not shit if they focused on the romance aspect more ember and wade are cute CUTE, but they couldn't because the director has unresolved issues with his dad.
I can't believe Soul, Luca and Turning Red all got cucked out of a theatrical release but they decided this shit was good enough to be put against fricking Spiderverse 2.
>it's the second original Pixar movie in a row that focuses on le overbearing asian parent
It's not just Pixar, though. People often look at the whole movie landscape and we have had LOTS of media in a short amount of time about Immigrant families and their overbearing parents. These don't all have the same themes, they're not all about generational trauma for example, but there's not a shortage for stories about Eastern second-generation kids just trying to get along in the Western World.
>Crazy Rich Asians
>Everything Everywhere All at Once
>Never Have I Ever
>Ramy
>Always Be My Maybe
>The Farewell
>Master of None
These are just a couple from the top of my head that I've seen. I'm not gonna say, "WE GET IT", because if superhero movies have taught me anything it's that a genre can get milked for decades and audiences will still eat it up. But this subject matter definitely has stiff competition. Anything less than amazing, and why would people bother watching it when there IS an amazing version of that story somewhere on a streaming service?
What are so many Asian Americans doing in Pixar anyway? If I wanted Ghiblified movies like Luca, I’d just watch Ghibli. If I wanted to watch a film with Asians, there are so many better animated films from Japan.
The woe-is-me I am a whiny second generational azn American experience is literally killing Pixar. To be blunt, nobody in America cares about migrants “difficult” cushy life in America and whining their mommies and daddies are so tough on them. Christ, bring back white animators and showrunners. They could actually make movies about something else than their narcissistic life stories in animated format.
>what if we dressed up elements for a movie about interracial dating
Who.would that appeal to?
Does it end with them having sex and vaporizing?
It was steamy
I thought that one moment with the cloud lady/earth guy was cute. The movie could've been more interesting with them as a B plot to parallel Wade and Ember's whole race mixing thing
Human races are nothing more than visual distinctions caused by genetic mutations.
The closest we could have are dog breeds.
And, for those who said about "what about a pure breed and a mutt."
It exists and it's called THE LADY AND THE TRAMP.
Lady and the Tramp was about class, moron.
And I asked your opinion of course I did.
>I just CANNOT BELIEVE that ANON, of ALL PEOPLE, responded to MY post!
>visual distinctions caused by genetic mutations.
You mean visual distinctions caused by inherent differences?
The visual distinctions are the differences, yes.
t.has a pit bull that will kill him someday
fricking ban asian b***hes from making movies about their parents. what the frick is wrong with them
Can anybody who isn't a second gen Asian IN the US even relate? Non of the second gens from Germany that I know watch these types of movies and I doubt that anybody else but this specific group can even relate. Most immigrant parents don't behave like in those movies at all.
What about my big fat Greek wedding?
I feel like it's fricked from a merch standpoint as well, skylanders died out somewhat recently for a reason and these designs...
>“Animation to me is the purest form of art, and it’s been kidnapped by a bunch of hoodlums. We have to rescue it. [And] I think that we can Trojan-horse a lot of good shit into the animation world.”
>[He also] criticised what he sees as destructive tendencies in much commercial animation where characters and emotions are “codified into a sort of teenage rom-com, almost emoji-style behavior. [If] I see a character raising his fricking eyebrow, or crossing his arms, having a sassy pose — oh, I hate that shit.
>[Why] does everything act as if they’re in a sitcom? I think is emotional pornography. All the families are happy and sassy and quick, everyone has a one-liner. Well, my dad was boring. I was boring. Everybody in my family was boring. We had no one-liners. We’re all fricked up. That’s what I want to see animated.”
Like all dogshit modern media, it's made by people who want to be artists rather than people who want to make art.
>Romance story
So it has nothing to offer for boys.
>With a wimpy weasel for the male love interest.
So it has nothing to offer for girls either. Chicks want the dreamy bad boy Edwards, not bumbling sweaty nerds.
wade isn't the problem, the problem is they don't even fully commit to the romcom route. He askes her out once and suddenly they're in love, the issue is never ember's feelings towards wade but rather ember's feeling towards her father and racism in general. it's like they were afraid of losing the young male audience and tried to down play the romance aspects and cooked a perfect nothing burger in the process
Her feelings towards her father and his wishes doesn't even become an issue until the third act, where Wade makes her realize her ambitions and what she really wanted to do with her life (glassblowing).
Sassy flame
Jesus christ how cringe.
All of these posters have used "articulate" to describe one of their classmates and have no idea why everyone looked at them funny.
im black
christ
There's no way that's the real dialogue.
It is.
>this was the director recalling her grandma's last words "marry korean"
And this only works if racemixing was already happening (which for the director in real life is since he wasn't the first one to fricking do it). Ember is like the first one to do it, so makes no sense for her grandpa to tell her this.
I can't believe it's this on the nose. How do you watch this and not just cringe.
Are you even allowed to call this an allegory? It's far past even "on the nose" it's just "replace one word and it's clever!" psycho shit. IMAGINE SHIPPING THIS TO THEATERS AND EXPECTING MONEY
I like it
>"D-don't be black..."
>*dies of white*
It's real.
https://files.catbox.moe/fgfs43.mkv
It's eerie how her lips look like a Clutch Cargo overlay - while her jaw moves a little, her face doesn't have any modeled musculature.
She moves her face sometimes but you're right.
Why didn't Jane Lynch play this character? Is she dead?
Who the frick wants to see a hetero relationship lmao
And I mean TRUE Asian people.
Not yankees with Asian grandparents.
I keked at the scene where the storm comes and destroys ember's parents house specifically and nothing else, just so they're forced to move to not-america and be discriminated against lol
The grandpa not returning the bow was also stupid, it's not like they were choosing to leave their homeland. If I had to guess there was a first draft where they left to follow their dreams and were ostracized, but then changed it last minute to make ember's dad look less hypocritical
The whole thing felt like a long short, not a full feature film. I don't understand how the whole thing was an hour and 30 minutes when it felt like more or less nothing happened
They spend a good chunk of time just having Wade and Ember hang out. There's really two stories going on: Ember falling in love with Wade and Ember confronting her parents about the fact that she wants to do her own thing and not run the store. They at least tie it together because it is Wade that makes her realize that her ambitions are in glassblowing, not running a store (she is shown working with glass throughout the movie, but Wade was the first one to point out her talent for it).
>new movie
>uhhh elements
the name alone is boring. What's wrong with their marketing team? Who approved this trash?
Pixar won't go bankrupt before Elio is out right?
who?
Pixar's next pedo film. Can't miss it
Looks another mystery meat immigrant sob story allegory. We haven't had enough yet. 4th one in a row ought to bring Pixar out of their rut.
out of the closet you mean?
i saw a few thumbnails of this kid and always thought he had a shiner, thought it was a movie about a bullied kid
I know half of Cinemaphile is underage but man, even I have seen kids wearing this and I almost never leave my house
i'm 26, i have never seen those in my fricking life
I have never seen this in my life. What is it?
baby anime girl cosplay
>I have seen kids wearing this
Do you live in a high gun violence area or something
It's to cure crossed eyes. Google amblyopia eye patch
Shota bait.
I heard Bastien Vives is tipped to direct the sequel.
they're capable of making actually good movies during this woke spree. see turning red. this one just seems awful. didn't zootopia already do this?
Press S to spit
did they even market it
I saw promotional material for it in real life, so yeah.
Not at all
apologize.
>shitcanned for hugging people too long
>radical femcel activists in the company conspired and politicked to take Lasseter down so they could get his jobs
>femcels crash the company with no survivors
>Lasseter and all the top Pixar talent go to Skydance
like pottery, it rhymes
nice fanfic
>Another Pixar movie being a huge commercial flop
IMAGINE MY SHOCK!
Idk, i WANT to frick that tiny fire lady....isn't that what we are complaining about?
They should have gone with the original ending
The element concept breaks down, since steam is not much different from air. In fact, the classical elements are moronic and there's a reason why it's obsolete trash.
It's mostly just a mythological thing and not a real thing.
Also "air" people are clouds. Clouds are little water particles in a gassy structure.
They couldn't even make it right.
Sort of, wouldn't this be more like a vapor or smoke baby instead of an air baby? How would she carry the water baby in her fire womb? Wouldn't she have pregnancy complications from that?
She was already magicked so that she can touch water elements without vaporizing them, and she can be touched by water without getting extinguished. It's MAGIC.
Ok I need to do an Elemental Abortion Comic.
That would be fricking amazing and surely I would get more than Pixar by comparison.
>go on a cruise once
>come back with a children
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So basically they fricked.
That would be too "heteronormative" for current Pixar.
Saying good things about family? NO NO NO I want the childless caligays with GENERATIONAL TRAUMA.
This will be the mc for the sequel and the plot will be about how they feel pressured to live up to their parents' global glass empire and how they encourage him/her to be different from everyone else but they don't want that and the movie ends up with him/her taking care of the shop. And maybe have the little rock boy be the love interest too, why not
>wouldn't this be more like a vapor or smoke baby instead of an air baby?
It would be a NatGeo cover baby
And the universe logic makes me sick.
Why water people use clothes? Is it impermeable?
The only "element" that makes sense to have the need to cover is fire people.
How the hell does AIR or CLOUDS wear clothes?
Explain. EXPLAIN!
It's called fashion. Look it up
Still it's stupid. Humans wear clothes to protect from cold.
>Humans wear clothes to protect from cold.
It explains this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5P2F_oUVM
I wear clothes to look sexy
Disney is on a free fall and i love it.
All could've been avoided if they just simply made a buzz light year of star command movie. Not like anything stopping them since they fired the moron who hated it after when he diddled too many women.
>There's more porn of Wade on Rule34 than there is of Ember
good
Pixar became a B-Studio of Disney and started to lack talent as time went on.