>elves live for thousands of years. >they dont industrialize

>elves live for thousands of years
>they don’t industrialize
Bravo Tolkien

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    what for?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Industry gives us good products but destroys societies.

      Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.

      Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.

      They are a slowly dying race that apparently forgot to have children. They have little use for mass production. Its all about the quality and art of the product. Go ahead and take an entire year to make a super sword, you can stock up thousands of them in your life time.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >slowly dying
        homie none of them can ever die. they are literally immortal
        >elf dies in battle
        >goes to halls of mandos
        >eventually granted return to valinor
        or
        >get bored
        >sail directly to valinor
        either way, they all end up in valinor. there is literally nothing at stake for elves

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >eventually granted return to valinor
          not really, not always. i think there are only a handful of noldor elves that were allowed to return as living beings - i can only think of finrod

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            wrong, literally all of them are granted entry to valinor after a time of waiting to heal their emotional distress from death

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >literally all of them
              no, only glorfindel and finrod are mentioned to have been given bodies and allowed to walk in valinor

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but he's right. The reincarnation cycle concerns ALL Elves. Literally the only Elf who ever refused to reincarnate was Feanor's mother, which is why his father was the only Elf in existence allowed to remarry.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor

                the halls of mandos are the final resting place of all elves that die there is no reincarnation process for elves only the valar can rehouse their spirits and they've only done on 3/4 occasions

                beren, luthien, finrod and glorfindel. all ther others remain in mandos

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                wrong moron the hall of mandos is a halfway house for elven spirits while they deal with their grief and emotional pain after which time they are ALL, yes, literally 100%, re-embodied and sent to valinor
                THE SOLE EXCEPTION is feanor, who has to wait until the end of arda before being re-embodied, but even he will be sent to valinor eventually

                [...]
                Source

                >J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Morgoth's Ring, "Part Four. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth: Author's Notes on the 'Commentary'"

                fair enough point conceded

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's also the reason why every single Elf has a different name.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                wrong moron the hall of mandos is a halfway house for elven spirits while they deal with their grief and emotional pain after which time they are ALL, yes, literally 100%, re-embodied and sent to valinor
                THE SOLE EXCEPTION is feanor, who has to wait until the end of arda before being re-embodied, but even he will be sent to valinor eventually

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.

                literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor

                Who’s feanor and why’s he banned from the holy land?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Feanor is the most important Elf, and perhaps most important character, in the history of Arda, the overall planet Middle-Earth is located on.

                He is denied reincarnation because he did nothing wrong.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kinslaying little homosexual

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, he was the only orphan in existence, the only stepchild in existence, and his mother loved him so little she literally refused to be reincarnated. Imagine how badly this would burn.

                I'd be upset if I was forced to cohabitate with an always better looking and longer lived/stronger race. Fricking elves I swear

                The greatest irony is that, with the passage of centuries, the Elves, even those in Valinor, started to feel a burning jealousy towards Man's Gift, A.K.A., death, since they actually got to move on. Elves are stuck.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                to based for valar cucks so they assassinated him

                >dude so what if that anon killed your father and stole all your prized 1/1 kind possession, dude just ignore it lol

                feanor literally did nothing wrong

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Even better is that he was the saviour of the Dwarves, the Elves still living in Middle-Earth, and the Western tribes of Men. If not for his arrival and subsequent Siege of Angband, they would've been crushed and enslaved.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hey Feanor a giant spider at the Sun so we need to remake it. Can we use one of those cool gems you made that captured some of its light to recreate it? I mean we all use the Sun so it'd be pretty cool of you and you couldn't even have made those gems in the first place without using the light Varda made right? So what do you say?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                tell me again feanor isnt the coolest character in the tolkien legendarium

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                tell me again feanor isnt the coolest character in the tolkien legendarium

                He didn't even ultimately refuse. During the debate he found out his father was murdered and the israeliteels stolen.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                he dared not live as a slave to the ainur
                they hated him for it

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.

                Source

                >J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Morgoth's Ring, "Part Four. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth: Author's Notes on the 'Commentary'"

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's bizarre that you know about halls of mandos but don't know why the elves are leaving middle-earth.

            They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.

            Elves don't die. They are immortal and bound to Arda. If they are killed, their souls go to the Halls of Mandos to rest before being set in their new body and then they walk in Valinor again.
            All elves are meant to go to the undying lands. Even the Noldor are permitted to return after the War of Wrath. Elves in middle earth are there by choice by the time of the lord of the rings.

            Not all elves go to Valinor. Some choose to stay in middle earth. They do not die. They fade. They fade into the world and become spirits of nature as magic diminishes in the world. They do not die, however. Their souls are bound to Arda. Humans go to heaven.
            This is meant to happen, it is destined to be. The world is to be inherited by men and magic will fade.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You’re literally wrong moron. The elves are fading by design. If they stay in Middle Earth they will die so they have to go to Valinor to stay alive

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            moron they are LITERALLY IMMORTAL
            "fading" just means they have ennui and grow tired of mortal affairs, which makes them want to sail to valinor

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Legolas’ tribe do stay in Middle Earth and they slowly die out. The fading away is by design and is real it’s not vibes

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                you dumb gorilla Black person they can't ever die of anything but being slain in battle and when they """""die""""" in battle they are summoned to the halls of mandos to wait out their grief before being re embodied and sent to valinor, there is no """"death"""" because they are ALL IMMORTAL

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Legolas’ tribe do stay in Middle Earth and they slowly die out. The fading away is by design and is real it’s not vibes

                Both of you are wrong. The "fading away" means that their spirits slowly grow weary of possessing mortal bodies and, if not sustained by powerful magics, will eventually decide to abandon their mortal shells, and move onto the Hall of Mandos. From there they are reincarnated in Valinor.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              Both of you are wrong. The "fading away" means that their spirits slowly grow weary of possessing mortal bodies and, if not sustained by powerful magics, will eventually decide to abandon their mortal shells, and move onto the Hall of Mandos. From there they are reincarnated in Valinor.

              This chart is slightly inaccurate, as well, since for the vast majority of the Second Age, after the pardoning of the Noldor and defeat of Melkor, Elves could freely travel to and from Valinor to other lands.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If they stay in Middle Earth they will die
            You’re a fricking moron. The elves are leaving middle earth because it’s becoming more mundane and less magical and more boring, whereas Valinor is even more magical than middle earth was in the first age.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >elves are fading by design
            no they're not. the elves grow tired because they miss the blessed light of valinor and all its holy shit not because they're designed that way

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              The age of men isn’t a suggestion it’s Eru’s plan the elves need to go

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's bizarre that you know about halls of mandos but don't know why the elves are leaving middle-earth.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          This anon is correct

          >eventually granted return to valinor
          not really, not always. i think there are only a handful of noldor elves that were allowed to return as living beings - i can only think of finrod

          You’re literally wrong moron. The elves are fading by design. If they stay in Middle Earth they will die so they have to go to Valinor to stay alive

          They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.

          It's bizarre that you know about halls of mandos but don't know why the elves are leaving middle-earth.

          These clowns are wrong.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            They aren’t immortal in middle earth is the point

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      what else are they going to do?
      >any prophecies showing any signs of happening lately?
      >nope

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what else are they going to do?
        chill the frick out and not having to worry about anything?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Economies of scale are more efficient than a purely artisanal society. Without supple-side economics, factory elf girls can't afford things like Elven cloaks or Elven rope. These things are expensive, because the Elves have no mass production capacity.
      When they said the age of Elves is over and the age of Men had begun, they were referring to the advent of capitalism.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Industry gives us good products but destroys societies.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only Anglo chads know how to industrialize it's not a common thing

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The first factories were in Italy

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Smart of the Anglos to build them down there

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Factories don't make an industrial revolution, machines, steam power and coal does

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well. At least, they invented barbershops thanks to Amazon...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their fricking portrayals of Elrond and Celebrimbor are the most insulting of all to me. Frick I hate Amazon so goddamn much.
      I really want to know who the frick made the decisions on these character designs and why.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        you know why

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Tolkien's
      Jackson's*

      Not to defend Amazon's mess of a show, but find a single line written by Tolkien saying that all elves have long, flowing hair, I'll wait.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Tolkien's
      Jackson's*

      Not to defend Amazon's mess of a show, but find a single line written by Tolkien saying that all elves have long, flowing hair, I'll wait.

      I’ve yet to see anywhere in Tolkien’s writings where elves had pointy ears. His description of them is that they look like men but are more “beautiful” and “fair”.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        In one of the Book of Lost Tales, IIRC Book X (Morgoth's Ring), there were some notes about the elves having "leaf-shaped" ears. FYI.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          i think it was mentioned in "the people's of middle-earth" but that was released by Christopher tolkien

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Elves didn’t even farm let alone require the economic impetus to industrialuze

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    its called using magic moron

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Elves don't have human ambition. Their fates are written the moment they are born.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's common in fantasy to represent long-lived races as stubborn traditionalists and short-lived races (humans) as impatient for development.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's common in fantasy
      For people to do things the way Tolkien did them.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Time passes differently for elves. It literally moves more slowly.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because industrialization is evil in the Tolkien universe and elves are pure and good. Also they have magic n shiet so they don't need machines.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The main driving force behind society embracing technological progress is old people dying and taking their outdated preferences to the grave.

    Imaging if you had just invented the car, but your country was still ruled by Ramses the Great, and when you went to try to get funding for your new invention, he was just completely oblivious to why he'd want a car when his good old chariot still works just fine.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The eastern romans lived for thousands of years, had a flamethrower and never figured out industrialization? For shame.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Industrialization was a fluke of nature
      It could have only happened in england or similar country with coal deposits that would make burning coal to run the equipment the mining coal profitable where you can use the energy you are mining to fuel the mining equipment at a net gain of energy harvested. This energy then frees up energy intensive metal working as viable.

      Any other system slaves are more profitable

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Industrialization was a fluke of nature
        life, uh, finds a way

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It does, but not always the most effective way, plants use chlorophyll and light for photosynthesis when you can use melanin and ionizing radiation in the electron transport chain that fuels ATP synthesis more effectively, they just don't.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Industrialization in england was preceded by agricultural reform in england (and the low countries), it was no "fluke"

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    MACHINES BAD!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are there any Tolkien-esk fantasies that otherwise glorify technological progress?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >esk
        Jfc

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        manifold trilogy maybe but thats more sci-fi than fantasy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I read Vacuum Diagrams. Baxter did a really good job coming up with the most outlandish forms of life conceivable, from trans-Neptunian life to parasitic brain slugs in polar fish on Mercury, to tiny little neutronium knights doing quests on Neutron Star lasagna, to holographic life living at the event horizon of black holes, to life that was literally just sapient self replicating wind turbulence.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fantasy stories don't glorify technological progress by default. Even Star Wars is anti-industrialism.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just build a big fleet and sail to the undying lands, what's the worst that could happen

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    they could build whatever they wanted with the rings, they didn't need industrialization

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would they?
    What benefit from industrialization are they lacking?

    They have superior medicine, all the food they like, and beautiful pristine cities. what would they want?

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    the only elves that even had an ounce of ambition were genocided by morgoth. galadriel was literally the only one that remained and she was ptsd'd so hard she spent the remainder of her life crying about it

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought she was kinda a bad dude and went back to middle earth against the gods will to carve out a kingdom and try to rival Feanor and the other noldor in infamy and grandeur.

      The ring was her test from god, and she had actually grown into less of a narcissistic c**t

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a bad dude
        she absolutely is a bad dude and was one of the few that didnt repent the kinslaying until well into the 3rd age i think

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    live for thousands of years
    >>they don’t industrialize

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There’s only like a few cities of elves. Why would they need mass production.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      How else are they going to increase GDP quarter-over-quarter?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        They can hold art auctions. Tolkien constantly makes reference to how they are skilled craftsmen.
        Think about it, they can borrow money based on the perceived value of their works, and then use that to make bids on other pieces. In turn, those pieces increase in value every year.
        Granted all this money only exists on paper, but it should be enough to satisfy the shareholders.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >few cities of elves
      the elves literally had an empire spanning most of middle-earth before numenorians and sauron fricked shit up

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but their numbers shrank ever since. So it’s rivendell, lothlorien and the wood-elves and I can’t imagine them making up more than 10k elves

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    why should they industrialize?
    lemme guess, you think "progress" is the point of society?

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    cool it with the anti elfism

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      lotr is a Cinemaphile staple you fricking nugay troon

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its completely against their nature. Elves love the natural world and don't care about profit.

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humans lived for 200,000 years without industrializing and most of that time it wasn’t even agriculturalized.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Industrialisation was a mistake

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >elves live for thousands of years

    Elves live forever, are unchanging, and are immune to mundane disease, have innate magical abilities, and their physical prowess is much greater than humans.

    Why WOULD they industrialize? They don't need to hurry with anything. They have literally all the time in the world.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    LOTR makes far more sense when you realize it was written as escapist fantasy by a coward hiding in a trench

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You must be 18 or older to post here.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        explain how all his friends died but he survived?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Luck. Happens all the time.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    But industry is literally what they're all fighting against, that's what the orcs do and what has ruined the world.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Orcs / sauron use slave labor, they didn’t industrialize

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern times is just refined way past slavery, it's not necessary to use violence or even fear to control people, just let them vote on what puppet to "lead" them and give them toys and they'll be slaves willingly.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          The reason we don't have slavery is we unlocked the carbon atom. Carbon has more energy than some Black person.

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It is not unlikely that they [goblins] invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines explosions always delighted them, and also not working with their own hands more than they could help;

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Also, contrary to popular belief, Elves do age, although very, very slowly. The two known examples are Cirdan and Gwindor.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd be upset if I was forced to cohabitate with an always better looking and longer lived/stronger race. Fricking elves I swear

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's literally the point, they don't need to industrialize because their population is small enough to live in harmony with nature.

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    based

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Elves don't really have free will like the races of men. They are one with nature or some shit.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      they're souls are literally bound to middle-earth and they cant escape it even through death. eru really fricked them with that

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as everyone agrees the the Children of Iluvatar are Elves and Men ONLY and most decidedly NOT dwarves.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      what is the in-story cope of dwarves at the fact that they are literally moronic imitations of elves/ men lmao

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dwarves are superior to men. 3rd age men at least

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          As long as everyone agrees the the Children of Iluvatar are Elves and Men ONLY and most decidedly NOT dwarves.

          >literally no heaven for them, return to stone after death
          >downey puppets with no self motivation, literally smash rocks because
          >literally a mistake that were allowed to live because of pity lol
          >no distinction between males/ females because its creator couldn't be bothered

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >don't industrialize
    Black person this is exactly what the Noldor tried three times. It didn't go well. Once in Valinor under Fëanor and a (then ostensibly reformed) Melkor. It didn't go well. Then again in Beleriand, specifically Gondolin, under the sons and grandsons of Fëanor. It didn't go well. Then again under Celebrimbor. It didn't go well.
    They took the hint.

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    IRL the orcs won.

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    his brother Elros would've done it if he didn't take the mortality pill

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