Industry gives us good products but destroys societies.
Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.
Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.
They are a slowly dying race that apparently forgot to have children. They have little use for mass production. Its all about the quality and art of the product. Go ahead and take an entire year to make a super sword, you can stock up thousands of them in your life time.
>slowly dying
homie none of them can ever die. they are literally immortal >elf dies in battle >goes to halls of mandos >eventually granted return to valinor
or >get bored >sail directly to valinor
either way, they all end up in valinor. there is literally nothing at stake for elves
>eventually granted return to valinor
not really, not always. i think there are only a handful of noldor elves that were allowed to return as living beings - i can only think of finrod
>literally all of them
no, only glorfindel and finrod are mentioned to have been given bodies and allowed to walk in valinor
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literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor
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NTA, but he's right. The reincarnation cycle concerns ALL Elves. Literally the only Elf who ever refused to reincarnate was Feanor's mother, which is why his father was the only Elf in existence allowed to remarry.
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literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor
the halls of mandos are the final resting place of all elves that die there is no reincarnation process for elves only the valar can rehouse their spirits and they've only done on 3/4 occasions
beren, luthien, finrod and glorfindel. all ther others remain in mandos
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Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.
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wrong moron the hall of mandos is a halfway house for elven spirits while they deal with their grief and emotional pain after which time they are ALL, yes, literally 100%, re-embodied and sent to valinor
THE SOLE EXCEPTION is feanor, who has to wait until the end of arda before being re-embodied, but even he will be sent to valinor eventually
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Source
>J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Morgoth's Ring, "Part Four. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth: Author's Notes on the 'Commentary'"
fair enough point conceded
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It's also the reason why every single Elf has a different name.
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wrong moron the hall of mandos is a halfway house for elven spirits while they deal with their grief and emotional pain after which time they are ALL, yes, literally 100%, re-embodied and sent to valinor
THE SOLE EXCEPTION is feanor, who has to wait until the end of arda before being re-embodied, but even he will be sent to valinor eventually
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Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.
literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor
Who’s feanor and why’s he banned from the holy land?
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Feanor is the most important Elf, and perhaps most important character, in the history of Arda, the overall planet Middle-Earth is located on.
He is denied reincarnation because he did nothing wrong.
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Kinslaying little homosexual
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To be fair, he was the only orphan in existence, the only stepchild in existence, and his mother loved him so little she literally refused to be reincarnated. Imagine how badly this would burn.
I'd be upset if I was forced to cohabitate with an always better looking and longer lived/stronger race. Fricking elves I swear
The greatest irony is that, with the passage of centuries, the Elves, even those in Valinor, started to feel a burning jealousy towards Man's Gift, A.K.A., death, since they actually got to move on. Elves are stuck.
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to based for valar cucks so they assassinated him
>dude so what if that anon killed your father and stole all your prized 1/1 kind possession, dude just ignore it lol
feanor literally did nothing wrong
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Even better is that he was the saviour of the Dwarves, the Elves still living in Middle-Earth, and the Western tribes of Men. If not for his arrival and subsequent Siege of Angband, they would've been crushed and enslaved.
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>Hey Feanor a giant spider at the Sun so we need to remake it. Can we use one of those cool gems you made that captured some of its light to recreate it? I mean we all use the Sun so it'd be pretty cool of you and you couldn't even have made those gems in the first place without using the light Varda made right? So what do you say?
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tell me again feanor isnt the coolest character in the tolkien legendarium
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tell me again feanor isnt the coolest character in the tolkien legendarium
He didn't even ultimately refuse. During the debate he found out his father was murdered and the israeliteels stolen.
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he dared not live as a slave to the ainur
they hated him for it
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Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.
Source
>J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Morgoth's Ring, "Part Four. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth: Author's Notes on the 'Commentary'"
It's bizarre that you know about halls of mandos but don't know why the elves are leaving middle-earth.
They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.
Elves don't die. They are immortal and bound to Arda. If they are killed, their souls go to the Halls of Mandos to rest before being set in their new body and then they walk in Valinor again.
All elves are meant to go to the undying lands. Even the Noldor are permitted to return after the War of Wrath. Elves in middle earth are there by choice by the time of the lord of the rings.
Not all elves go to Valinor. Some choose to stay in middle earth. They do not die. They fade. They fade into the world and become spirits of nature as magic diminishes in the world. They do not die, however. Their souls are bound to Arda. Humans go to heaven.
This is meant to happen, it is destined to be. The world is to be inherited by men and magic will fade.
Legolas’ tribe do stay in Middle Earth and they slowly die out. The fading away is by design and is real it’s not vibes
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you dumb gorilla Black person they can't ever die of anything but being slain in battle and when they """""die""""" in battle they are summoned to the halls of mandos to wait out their grief before being re embodied and sent to valinor, there is no """"death"""" because they are ALL IMMORTAL
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Legolas’ tribe do stay in Middle Earth and they slowly die out. The fading away is by design and is real it’s not vibes
Both of you are wrong. The "fading away" means that their spirits slowly grow weary of possessing mortal bodies and, if not sustained by powerful magics, will eventually decide to abandon their mortal shells, and move onto the Hall of Mandos. From there they are reincarnated in Valinor.
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Both of you are wrong. The "fading away" means that their spirits slowly grow weary of possessing mortal bodies and, if not sustained by powerful magics, will eventually decide to abandon their mortal shells, and move onto the Hall of Mandos. From there they are reincarnated in Valinor.
This chart is slightly inaccurate, as well, since for the vast majority of the Second Age, after the pardoning of the Noldor and defeat of Melkor, Elves could freely travel to and from Valinor to other lands.
>If they stay in Middle Earth they will die
You’re a fricking moron. The elves are leaving middle earth because it’s becoming more mundane and less magical and more boring, whereas Valinor is even more magical than middle earth was in the first age.
>elves are fading by design
no they're not. the elves grow tired because they miss the blessed light of valinor and all its holy shit not because they're designed that way
They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.
>eventually granted return to valinor
not really, not always. i think there are only a handful of noldor elves that were allowed to return as living beings - i can only think of finrod
You’re literally wrong moron. The elves are fading by design. If they stay in Middle Earth they will die so they have to go to Valinor to stay alive
They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.
It's bizarre that you know about halls of mandos but don't know why the elves are leaving middle-earth.
Economies of scale are more efficient than a purely artisanal society. Without supple-side economics, factory elf girls can't afford things like Elven cloaks or Elven rope. These things are expensive, because the Elves have no mass production capacity.
When they said the age of Elves is over and the age of Men had begun, they were referring to the advent of capitalism.
Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.
Their fricking portrayals of Elrond and Celebrimbor are the most insulting of all to me. Frick I hate Amazon so goddamn much.
I really want to know who the frick made the decisions on these character designs and why.
Not to defend Amazon's mess of a show, but find a single line written by Tolkien saying that all elves have long, flowing hair, I'll wait.
I’ve yet to see anywhere in Tolkien’s writings where elves had pointy ears. His description of them is that they look like men but are more “beautiful” and “fair”.
The main driving force behind society embracing technological progress is old people dying and taking their outdated preferences to the grave.
Imaging if you had just invented the car, but your country was still ruled by Ramses the Great, and when you went to try to get funding for your new invention, he was just completely oblivious to why he'd want a car when his good old chariot still works just fine.
Industrialization was a fluke of nature
It could have only happened in england or similar country with coal deposits that would make burning coal to run the equipment the mining coal profitable where you can use the energy you are mining to fuel the mining equipment at a net gain of energy harvested. This energy then frees up energy intensive metal working as viable.
It does, but not always the most effective way, plants use chlorophyll and light for photosynthesis when you can use melanin and ionizing radiation in the electron transport chain that fuels ATP synthesis more effectively, they just don't.
I read Vacuum Diagrams. Baxter did a really good job coming up with the most outlandish forms of life conceivable, from trans-Neptunian life to parasitic brain slugs in polar fish on Mercury, to tiny little neutronium knights doing quests on Neutron Star lasagna, to holographic life living at the event horizon of black holes, to life that was literally just sapient self replicating wind turbulence.
the only elves that even had an ounce of ambition were genocided by morgoth. galadriel was literally the only one that remained and she was ptsd'd so hard she spent the remainder of her life crying about it
I thought she was kinda a bad dude and went back to middle earth against the gods will to carve out a kingdom and try to rival Feanor and the other noldor in infamy and grandeur.
The ring was her test from god, and she had actually grown into less of a narcissistic c**t
They can hold art auctions. Tolkien constantly makes reference to how they are skilled craftsmen.
Think about it, they can borrow money based on the perceived value of their works, and then use that to make bids on other pieces. In turn, those pieces increase in value every year.
Granted all this money only exists on paper, but it should be enough to satisfy the shareholders.
Elves live forever, are unchanging, and are immune to mundane disease, have innate magical abilities, and their physical prowess is much greater than humans.
Why WOULD they industrialize? They don't need to hurry with anything. They have literally all the time in the world.
Modern times is just refined way past slavery, it's not necessary to use violence or even fear to control people, just let them vote on what puppet to "lead" them and give them toys and they'll be slaves willingly.
>It is not unlikely that they [goblins] invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines explosions always delighted them, and also not working with their own hands more than they could help;
As long as everyone agrees the the Children of Iluvatar are Elves and Men ONLY and most decidedly NOT dwarves.
>literally no heaven for them, return to stone after death >downey puppets with no self motivation, literally smash rocks because >literally a mistake that were allowed to live because of pity lol >no distinction between males/ females because its creator couldn't be bothered
>don't industrialize
Black person this is exactly what the Noldor tried three times. It didn't go well. Once in Valinor under Fëanor and a (then ostensibly reformed) Melkor. It didn't go well. Then again in Beleriand, specifically Gondolin, under the sons and grandsons of Fëanor. It didn't go well. Then again under Celebrimbor. It didn't go well.
They took the hint.
what for?
They are a slowly dying race that apparently forgot to have children. They have little use for mass production. Its all about the quality and art of the product. Go ahead and take an entire year to make a super sword, you can stock up thousands of them in your life time.
>slowly dying
homie none of them can ever die. they are literally immortal
>elf dies in battle
>goes to halls of mandos
>eventually granted return to valinor
or
>get bored
>sail directly to valinor
either way, they all end up in valinor. there is literally nothing at stake for elves
>eventually granted return to valinor
not really, not always. i think there are only a handful of noldor elves that were allowed to return as living beings - i can only think of finrod
wrong, literally all of them are granted entry to valinor after a time of waiting to heal their emotional distress from death
>literally all of them
no, only glorfindel and finrod are mentioned to have been given bodies and allowed to walk in valinor
literally all of them. the sole exception is feanor who has to wait until the end of arda to be given a body and return to valinor
NTA, but he's right. The reincarnation cycle concerns ALL Elves. Literally the only Elf who ever refused to reincarnate was Feanor's mother, which is why his father was the only Elf in existence allowed to remarry.
the halls of mandos are the final resting place of all elves that die there is no reincarnation process for elves only the valar can rehouse their spirits and they've only done on 3/4 occasions
beren, luthien, finrod and glorfindel. all ther others remain in mandos
Wrong. All Elves eventually reincarnate, the only exception being Feanor, who refuses to admit being wrong, and his mother, who refuses to reincarnate for reasons unknown.
fair enough point conceded
It's also the reason why every single Elf has a different name.
wrong moron the hall of mandos is a halfway house for elven spirits while they deal with their grief and emotional pain after which time they are ALL, yes, literally 100%, re-embodied and sent to valinor
THE SOLE EXCEPTION is feanor, who has to wait until the end of arda before being re-embodied, but even he will be sent to valinor eventually
Who’s feanor and why’s he banned from the holy land?
Feanor is the most important Elf, and perhaps most important character, in the history of Arda, the overall planet Middle-Earth is located on.
He is denied reincarnation because he did nothing wrong.
Kinslaying little homosexual
To be fair, he was the only orphan in existence, the only stepchild in existence, and his mother loved him so little she literally refused to be reincarnated. Imagine how badly this would burn.
The greatest irony is that, with the passage of centuries, the Elves, even those in Valinor, started to feel a burning jealousy towards Man's Gift, A.K.A., death, since they actually got to move on. Elves are stuck.
to based for valar cucks so they assassinated him
>dude so what if that anon killed your father and stole all your prized 1/1 kind possession, dude just ignore it lol
feanor literally did nothing wrong
Even better is that he was the saviour of the Dwarves, the Elves still living in Middle-Earth, and the Western tribes of Men. If not for his arrival and subsequent Siege of Angband, they would've been crushed and enslaved.
>Hey Feanor a giant spider at the Sun so we need to remake it. Can we use one of those cool gems you made that captured some of its light to recreate it? I mean we all use the Sun so it'd be pretty cool of you and you couldn't even have made those gems in the first place without using the light Varda made right? So what do you say?
tell me again feanor isnt the coolest character in the tolkien legendarium
He didn't even ultimately refuse. During the debate he found out his father was murdered and the israeliteels stolen.
he dared not live as a slave to the ainur
they hated him for it
Source
>J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Morgoth's Ring, "Part Four. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth: Author's Notes on the 'Commentary'"
Elves don't die. They are immortal and bound to Arda. If they are killed, their souls go to the Halls of Mandos to rest before being set in their new body and then they walk in Valinor again.
All elves are meant to go to the undying lands. Even the Noldor are permitted to return after the War of Wrath. Elves in middle earth are there by choice by the time of the lord of the rings.
Not all elves go to Valinor. Some choose to stay in middle earth. They do not die. They fade. They fade into the world and become spirits of nature as magic diminishes in the world. They do not die, however. Their souls are bound to Arda. Humans go to heaven.
This is meant to happen, it is destined to be. The world is to be inherited by men and magic will fade.
You’re literally wrong moron. The elves are fading by design. If they stay in Middle Earth they will die so they have to go to Valinor to stay alive
moron they are LITERALLY IMMORTAL
"fading" just means they have ennui and grow tired of mortal affairs, which makes them want to sail to valinor
Legolas’ tribe do stay in Middle Earth and they slowly die out. The fading away is by design and is real it’s not vibes
you dumb gorilla Black person they can't ever die of anything but being slain in battle and when they """""die""""" in battle they are summoned to the halls of mandos to wait out their grief before being re embodied and sent to valinor, there is no """"death"""" because they are ALL IMMORTAL
Both of you are wrong. The "fading away" means that their spirits slowly grow weary of possessing mortal bodies and, if not sustained by powerful magics, will eventually decide to abandon their mortal shells, and move onto the Hall of Mandos. From there they are reincarnated in Valinor.
This chart is slightly inaccurate, as well, since for the vast majority of the Second Age, after the pardoning of the Noldor and defeat of Melkor, Elves could freely travel to and from Valinor to other lands.
>If they stay in Middle Earth they will die
You’re a fricking moron. The elves are leaving middle earth because it’s becoming more mundane and less magical and more boring, whereas Valinor is even more magical than middle earth was in the first age.
>elves are fading by design
no they're not. the elves grow tired because they miss the blessed light of valinor and all its holy shit not because they're designed that way
The age of men isn’t a suggestion it’s Eru’s plan the elves need to go
They don’t die of old age but they die from other causes, probably mainly in wars and smaller skirmishes with orcs etc. Most of them left for the undying lands so in middle earth they’re diminishing.
It's bizarre that you know about halls of mandos but don't know why the elves are leaving middle-earth.
This anon is correct
These clowns are wrong.
They aren’t immortal in middle earth is the point
what else are they going to do?
>any prophecies showing any signs of happening lately?
>nope
>what else are they going to do?
chill the frick out and not having to worry about anything?
Economies of scale are more efficient than a purely artisanal society. Without supple-side economics, factory elf girls can't afford things like Elven cloaks or Elven rope. These things are expensive, because the Elves have no mass production capacity.
When they said the age of Elves is over and the age of Men had begun, they were referring to the advent of capitalism.
Industry gives us good products but destroys societies.
Elves don't industrialize because they live for thousands of years. They live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. This is in contrast to Men, who live only for a moment and then leave the world forever, blissfully unaware of what they left behind.
Only Anglo chads know how to industrialize it's not a common thing
The first factories were in Italy
Smart of the Anglos to build them down there
Factories don't make an industrial revolution, machines, steam power and coal does
Well. At least, they invented barbershops thanks to Amazon...
Their fricking portrayals of Elrond and Celebrimbor are the most insulting of all to me. Frick I hate Amazon so goddamn much.
I really want to know who the frick made the decisions on these character designs and why.
you know why
>Tolkien's
Jackson's*
Not to defend Amazon's mess of a show, but find a single line written by Tolkien saying that all elves have long, flowing hair, I'll wait.
I’ve yet to see anywhere in Tolkien’s writings where elves had pointy ears. His description of them is that they look like men but are more “beautiful” and “fair”.
In one of the Book of Lost Tales, IIRC Book X (Morgoth's Ring), there were some notes about the elves having "leaf-shaped" ears. FYI.
i think it was mentioned in "the people's of middle-earth" but that was released by Christopher tolkien
Elves didn’t even farm let alone require the economic impetus to industrialuze
its called using magic moron
Elves don't have human ambition. Their fates are written the moment they are born.
It's common in fantasy to represent long-lived races as stubborn traditionalists and short-lived races (humans) as impatient for development.
>It's common in fantasy
For people to do things the way Tolkien did them.
Time passes differently for elves. It literally moves more slowly.
Because industrialization is evil in the Tolkien universe and elves are pure and good. Also they have magic n shiet so they don't need machines.
The main driving force behind society embracing technological progress is old people dying and taking their outdated preferences to the grave.
Imaging if you had just invented the car, but your country was still ruled by Ramses the Great, and when you went to try to get funding for your new invention, he was just completely oblivious to why he'd want a car when his good old chariot still works just fine.
The eastern romans lived for thousands of years, had a flamethrower and never figured out industrialization? For shame.
Industrialization was a fluke of nature
It could have only happened in england or similar country with coal deposits that would make burning coal to run the equipment the mining coal profitable where you can use the energy you are mining to fuel the mining equipment at a net gain of energy harvested. This energy then frees up energy intensive metal working as viable.
Any other system slaves are more profitable
>Industrialization was a fluke of nature
life, uh, finds a way
It does, but not always the most effective way, plants use chlorophyll and light for photosynthesis when you can use melanin and ionizing radiation in the electron transport chain that fuels ATP synthesis more effectively, they just don't.
Industrialization in england was preceded by agricultural reform in england (and the low countries), it was no "fluke"
MACHINES BAD!
Are there any Tolkien-esk fantasies that otherwise glorify technological progress?
>esk
Jfc
manifold trilogy maybe but thats more sci-fi than fantasy
I read Vacuum Diagrams. Baxter did a really good job coming up with the most outlandish forms of life conceivable, from trans-Neptunian life to parasitic brain slugs in polar fish on Mercury, to tiny little neutronium knights doing quests on Neutron Star lasagna, to holographic life living at the event horizon of black holes, to life that was literally just sapient self replicating wind turbulence.
Fantasy stories don't glorify technological progress by default. Even Star Wars is anti-industrialism.
Just build a big fleet and sail to the undying lands, what's the worst that could happen
they could build whatever they wanted with the rings, they didn't need industrialization
Why would they?
What benefit from industrialization are they lacking?
They have superior medicine, all the food they like, and beautiful pristine cities. what would they want?
the only elves that even had an ounce of ambition were genocided by morgoth. galadriel was literally the only one that remained and she was ptsd'd so hard she spent the remainder of her life crying about it
I thought she was kinda a bad dude and went back to middle earth against the gods will to carve out a kingdom and try to rival Feanor and the other noldor in infamy and grandeur.
The ring was her test from god, and she had actually grown into less of a narcissistic c**t
>a bad dude
she absolutely is a bad dude and was one of the few that didnt repent the kinslaying until well into the 3rd age i think
live for thousands of years
>>they don’t industrialize
There’s only like a few cities of elves. Why would they need mass production.
How else are they going to increase GDP quarter-over-quarter?
They can hold art auctions. Tolkien constantly makes reference to how they are skilled craftsmen.
Think about it, they can borrow money based on the perceived value of their works, and then use that to make bids on other pieces. In turn, those pieces increase in value every year.
Granted all this money only exists on paper, but it should be enough to satisfy the shareholders.
>few cities of elves
the elves literally had an empire spanning most of middle-earth before numenorians and sauron fricked shit up
Yeah but their numbers shrank ever since. So it’s rivendell, lothlorien and the wood-elves and I can’t imagine them making up more than 10k elves
why should they industrialize?
lemme guess, you think "progress" is the point of society?
cool it with the anti elfism
lotr is a Cinemaphile staple you fricking nugay troon
Its completely against their nature. Elves love the natural world and don't care about profit.
Humans lived for 200,000 years without industrializing and most of that time it wasn’t even agriculturalized.
Industrialisation was a mistake
>elves live for thousands of years
Elves live forever, are unchanging, and are immune to mundane disease, have innate magical abilities, and their physical prowess is much greater than humans.
Why WOULD they industrialize? They don't need to hurry with anything. They have literally all the time in the world.
LOTR makes far more sense when you realize it was written as escapist fantasy by a coward hiding in a trench
>You must be 18 or older to post here.
explain how all his friends died but he survived?
Luck. Happens all the time.
But industry is literally what they're all fighting against, that's what the orcs do and what has ruined the world.
Orcs / sauron use slave labor, they didn’t industrialize
Modern times is just refined way past slavery, it's not necessary to use violence or even fear to control people, just let them vote on what puppet to "lead" them and give them toys and they'll be slaves willingly.
The reason we don't have slavery is we unlocked the carbon atom. Carbon has more energy than some Black person.
>It is not unlikely that they [goblins] invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines explosions always delighted them, and also not working with their own hands more than they could help;
Also, contrary to popular belief, Elves do age, although very, very slowly. The two known examples are Cirdan and Gwindor.
I'd be upset if I was forced to cohabitate with an always better looking and longer lived/stronger race. Fricking elves I swear
That's literally the point, they don't need to industrialize because their population is small enough to live in harmony with nature.
based
Elves don't really have free will like the races of men. They are one with nature or some shit.
they're souls are literally bound to middle-earth and they cant escape it even through death. eru really fricked them with that
As long as everyone agrees the the Children of Iluvatar are Elves and Men ONLY and most decidedly NOT dwarves.
what is the in-story cope of dwarves at the fact that they are literally moronic imitations of elves/ men lmao
Dwarves are superior to men. 3rd age men at least
>literally no heaven for them, return to stone after death
>downey puppets with no self motivation, literally smash rocks because
>literally a mistake that were allowed to live because of pity lol
>no distinction between males/ females because its creator couldn't be bothered
>don't industrialize
Black person this is exactly what the Noldor tried three times. It didn't go well. Once in Valinor under Fëanor and a (then ostensibly reformed) Melkor. It didn't go well. Then again in Beleriand, specifically Gondolin, under the sons and grandsons of Fëanor. It didn't go well. Then again under Celebrimbor. It didn't go well.
They took the hint.
IRL the orcs won.
his brother Elros would've done it if he didn't take the mortality pill